Bullying?

[lily.]

Let's have a vote... do you think the Jale situation in the house is bullying?

Yes or No...

Vote in the poll

[Vicky.]

Will vote on this when I have seen tonights HLs (TNA took priority :rolleyes: ) because it seems something significant has happened :suspect:

I was beginning to see the Christopher thing as bullying though. When they were all shouting boring at him the other night :bored:

[Marsh.]

Not entirely.

Helen is definitely a raving bitch who thrives on having a target to get her blood boiling.

Absolute wreck.

[InOne]

There are bully type personalities in the house but I don't think there's full on bullying going on.

[lily.]

I feel like there's a pack mentality and singling out of Jale. There are HMs isolating her from the group.

[Raph]

Not really I guess, it just seems more like an in-crowd, out-crowd environment. But then again, we've really not gotten a chance to understand most of the people in there (or they're just ridiculously one-dimensional) so it's hard to tell what's triggering the divides.

[GypsyGoth]

I don't know, I can see that Jale is being treated badly. But without live feed it's too difficult to tell.

[InOne]

I feel like there's a pack mentality and singling out of Jale. There are HMs isolating her from the group.

But there's a fairly large group at the moment and there only seems about 4 or 5 horrible ones. The rest are just floaters. And Jale's already stated that she doesn't buy Pauline's **** and clearly dislikes Helen. It's only been just over a week so I think the groups are just taking a little longer to form.

[Verbal]

In a word. No. Jale gives as good as she gets. She hasn't complained she is being bullied, and I think she would be the best judge of that.

[lily.]

I must admit, I'm not really enjoying watching it, as I feel like it's always the same stuff... Pauline sniping, Helen gobbing off..

[lily.]

I'm hoping more people vote in this poll.... It'll be interesting to see what the general consensus is on here.. :)

[Marsh.]

Where does Danielle stand? After the support Jale offered her when she was going off on one Danielle seems to have vanished from Jale's side.

Has Danielle's problem with the sex obsessed group suddenly vanished or have they stopped being crude?

[Samm]

No.

[Mystic Mock]

No.

[lily.]

Where does Danielle stand? After the support Jale offered her when she was going off on one Danielle seems to have vanished from Jale's side.

Has Danielle's problem with the sex obsessed group suddenly vanished or have they stopped being crude?

We don't get to know that.. cos the HLs are taken up with the same **** day in day out..

[reece(:]

No...

[joeysteele]

I'd have preferred an option to vote 'bullying in part', as I hate the term bullying used in full as to BB usually.

However, I can only describe Paulines and Helen's nastiness towards Jale as nothing but attempts to turn others strongly against her,to ostracise her and to totally try to belittle her around others,also putting her down on one to one too, as some bullying

So I have voted yes, as to have voted no would virtually mean excusing their really bad behaviour towards her.

[Marsh.]

We don't get to know that.. cos the HLs are taken up with the same **** day in day out..

Aint it the truth.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

No...

[Saph]

Jale's weak and pathetic. She can talk the talk in the DR and to her 'clique' but when shes confronted she cowers away and plays the victim

She'll get more respect from me when she starts standing up for herself.

[Marsh.]

Jale's weak and pathetic. She can talk the talk in the DR and to her 'clique' but when shes confronted she cowers away and plays the victim

She'll get more respect from me when she starts standing up for herself.

Which clique?

Winston, the ash tray and her glasses? :joker:

[lily.]

Which clique?

Winston, the ash tray and her glasses? :joker:


haha.. I was gonna ask that too... [minus the ash tray and glasses part] lol

[jet]

Wikipedia definition of bullying:

Bullying may be defined as the activity of repeated, aggressive behavior intended to hurt another person, physically or mentally. Bullying is characterized by an individual behaving in a certain way to gain power over another person.[10]

Norwegian researcher Dan Olweus[11] says bullying occurs when a person is:

'exposed, repeatedly and over time, to negative actions on the part of one or more other persons'. He says negative actions occur 'when a person intentionally inflicts injury or discomfort upon another person, through physical contact, through words or in other ways.'

So I say YES.

[lily.]

Wikipedia definition of bullying:

So is it a yes or a no from you?

edit: nevermind.. you already voted lol *facepalm*

[Rob!]

Helen is trying, but I don't think she'd get very far.

[Me. I Am Salman]

naw

[Robodog]

Kind of.

There is a pack mentality against her, as if it's 'fair game' to be mean to Jale.

I don't like that.

If they were one to one with Jale for a day then they would be much nicer to her.

But being in numbers brings out the worst in certain people.

[Jords]

a definition:

"use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something"

You could say that Jale felt intimidated to enter the house and so felt forced to remain outside for an example from tonight. It all depends on how Jale views things I guess. Shes clearly being isolated so I would say yes Helen and Pauline are expressing bullying behaviour whether they should have a sticky label as a 'bully' I dont know.

[Jordan.]

:umm2:

[Marsh.]

That video just posted where the Turd rolls out into the garden making snide looks and comments at Jale and is followed in quick succession by the flies is playground bullying and extremely pathetic coming from adults.

[Kizzy]

Yep, helen is paulines minion, they are attacking jale to appease her ...... :joker: so transparent .

[Lola844]

I think Christopher was getting bullied. Jale is not being isolated, she has friends in there.

[Mystic Mock]

Christopher also tried to help himself when he was getting ostracized unlike Jale who keeps looking for it.

[Marsh.]

Christopher also tried to help himself when he was getting ostracized unlike Jale who keeps looking for it.

How is she looking for it? Sitting in the living room eating food and gets called a slug followed by a passive aggressive "Were you listening?".

It's not as if she can leave the house is it?

[Mystic Mock]

Jale came into the house playing the victim, it's her gameplan only sadly she's trying to hoodwink the public with it and it's working sadly.

[Marsh.]

You've not answered my question.

You seem determined to say Jale is asking for all of this because you're a Helen fan but you've not actually said why.

Don't be vague anymore, explain it with substance. :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I just did, she came into the house and on the second night she was in there she was claiming how they was all picking on her to Marlon out in the garden.

Just because you don't like Helen and like Jale you and many others will probably refuse to accept that any of my points are valid.

[Mystic Mock]

I just did, she came into the house and on the second night she was in there she was claiming how they was all picking on her to Marlon out in the garden.

Just because you don't like Helen and like Jale you and many others will probably refuse to accept that any of my points are valid.

[BigBuk]

Jale came into the house playing the victim, it's her gameplan only sadly she's trying to hoodwink the public with it and it's working sadly.

What nonsense. Even if Jale is playing the victim, does it give Helen the right to call her names? Helens already proved shes vile with her "jesus shagger" comments.

She seems to forget she's an ex ***** that sold her stories to the press, hasn't got the right to degrade other people.

[Mystic Mock]

Helen's Jesus comments are not as bad as what some anti-Christians say.

And no I have already said that Helen and Pauline can be horrible to Jale, but Jale loves playing the victim and that's why she stole Helen's Lip Balm tonight.

[Marsh.]

I never said your points aren't valid, I don't quite understand your points.

When you say something like "Jale is looking for it" I'm going to ask for examples.

Simply saying it isn't going to convince me.

[Marsh.]

that's why she stole Helen's Lip Balm tonight.

Where is the evidence of this? :laugh:

Given her reaction and statement of a "sticker" there are obviously a few lip balms flying about the house.

[Marsh.]

Helen's Jesus comments are not as bad as what some anti-Christians say.

But that's irrelevant. We're discussing the 15 people living in the BB House not how they compare to other people.

None of them are murderers but it's hardly the point.

[Kizzy]

If you hadn't brought a balm in the house why use one though... it was a bit daft, I would be well annoyed if someone used mine tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

I never said your points aren't valid, I don't quite understand your points.

When you say something like "Jale is looking for it" I'm going to ask for examples.

Simply saying it isn't going to convince me.

Summing it up in one foul swoop.

Jale: "I don't wanna be a sympathy case.” She then looks at the cameras and starts crying just after one of Pauline's rants.

[Mystic Mock]

Where is the evidence of this? :laugh:

Given her reaction and statement of a "sticker" there are obviously a few lip balms flying about the house.

It's quite convenient that she went for Helen's who she knew would be the one to definitely gob off at her.

[Jords]

If you hadn't brought a balm in the house why use one though... it was a bit daft, I would be well annoyed if someone used mine tbh.

I assumed she thought it was one bought with the shopping.

[Marsh.]

If you hadn't brought a balm in the house why use one though... it was a bit daft, I would be well annoyed if someone used mine tbh.

From her description it sounds like they bought some off the shopping, hence why some of the same type is lying around the house. Then when Helen asked, Jale mentioned one with a sticker to differentiate them.

It's quite convenient that she went for Helen's who she knew would be the one to definitely gob off at her.

So she uses Helen's, Helen gobs off so it automatically means Jale planned it?

A little more evidence required tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

But that's irrelevant. We're discussing the 15 people living in the BB House not how they compare to other people.

None of them are murderers but it's hardly the point.

So you're telling me that away from Helen that all the other 14 Housemates left in the house are pro-Christian? Hell even Danielle can't follow it's beliefs properly lol.

[BigBuk]

I dont really know what could be worse than calling a christian a "jesus shagger".

Yeah I can see why Helen was angry about someone accidently taking her lip balm, I mean everyone would be angry about that. Jale took her lip balm knowing the fury it would cause, so she could play the victim, amazing gameplaying by Jale.

[Marsh.]

So you're telling me that away from Helen that all the other 14 Housemates left in the house are pro-Christian? Hell even Danielle can't follow it's beliefs properly lol.

:suspect: What?

I said just because there are anti Christians who have said far worse than Helen, it doesn't excuse Helen for what she said.

Are these anti Christians who have said far worse than Helen in the house? What did they say?

[Marsh.]

Summing it up in one foul swoop.

Jale: "I don't wanna be a sympathy case.” She then looks at the cameras and starts crying just after one of Pauline's rants.

Wanting one thing and feeling another is quite common though. Again, flimsy evidence.

I could go into BB and say I won't get emotional about nominations but if I find myself getting emotional that's not something I can help.

[Jords]

fight fight fight

[Marsh.]

:laugh: There is no fight, just lots of ifs and maybes.

[Mystic Mock]

From her description it sounds like they bought some off the shopping, hence why some of the same type is lying around the house. Then when Helen asked, Jale mentioned one with a sticker to differentiate them.



So she uses Helen's, Helen gobs off so it automatically means Jale planned it?

A little more evidence required tbh.

How much more evidence is needed? That is quite a lot of evidence and people are just A - not wanting to believe it because they're determined to have a girl win this BB, or B - well I would get myself into a lot of trouble on here if I said my opinion on people that fall into B.

[Marsh.]

How much more evidence is needed? That is quite a lot of evidence and people are just A - not wanting to believe it because they're determined to have a girl win this BB, or B - well I would get myself into a lot of trouble on here if I said my opinion on people that fall into B.

Please say B.

Never mind other people, you're having a conversation with me not them.

I couldn't give two sloppy turds who wins.

But, that's like saying if Chris takes a yoghurt from the fridge and Pauline screams at him that Chris deliberately took the yoghurt to make Pauline scream.
It's possible but it's not fact. We need to see a bit more to make it convincing. That's just playing the blame game. Whoever does something to cause someone to blow did it on purpose.

[Kizzy]

But why share lip balm?... I just don't get it, I wouldn't dream of it. :yuk:

[Marsh.]

But why share lip balm?... I just don't get it, I wouldn't dream of it. :yuk:

They're not I don't think. There's a pack bought so all of the balms are identical. :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

:suspect: What?

I said just because there are anti Christians who have said far worse than Helen, it doesn't excuse Helen for what she said.

Are these anti Christians who have said far worse than Helen in the house? What did they say?

So you want people that are anti a group in the BB house pretend to like them over the honesty route? Because I know that if I was a Christian I would want people to be honest with me than bull****ting like your Ash's and Steven's of this world.

[Jords]

Theres worse things to share... like a tampon.

[Marsh.]

So you want people that are anti a group in the BB house pretend to like them over the honesty route? Because I know that if I was a Christian I would want people to be honest with me than bull****ting like your Ash's and Steven's of this world.

What the hell are you going on about? That has nothing to do with what I just posted.

You think the opposite to calling Danielle a "Jesus shagger" is pretending to like her? What kind of logic is that?

[BigBuk]

Theres worse things to share... like a tampon.

I agree with this.

[Mystic Mock]

Wanting one thing and feeling another is quite common though. Again, flimsy evidence.

I could go into BB and say I won't get emotional about nominations but if I find myself getting emotional that's not something I can help.

Come on what does it take for you to believe me!? Jale actually out and out saying it? Or does Helen have to do the same things as Jale to get you into this faking victim status business?

[Marsh.]

Come on what does it take for you to believe me!? Jale actually out and out saying it? Or does Helen have to do the same things as Jale to get you into this faking victim status business?

Actual evidence of her being a fake.

We've not seen Jale engineer any situations. The video posted earlier she was actually sat in the living room eating. What a bitch.

[Kizzy]

:joker: oh flip the whole christian thing again, christians aren't daft enough to waste energy getting offended at a daft mare blurting out some inane ramble on BB are they?

[Mystic Mock]

Please say B.

Never mind other people, you're having a conversation with me not them.

I couldn't give two sloppy turds who wins.

But, that's like saying if Chris takes a yoghurt from the fridge and Pauline screams at him that Chris deliberately took the yoghurt to make Pauline scream.
It's possible but it's not fact. We need to see a bit more to make it convincing. That's just playing the blame game. Whoever does something to cause someone to blow did it on purpose.

Well it does depend on if Chris played the Pity Me game afterwards.

And with B I definitely would say that them people are seriously naive.

[Marsh.]

Well it does depend on if Chris played the Pity Me game afterwards.

And with B I definitely would say that them people are seriously naive.

So people only like Jale because they a) Want channel 5 BB to have its first woman winner or b) They're naive?

:laugh3:

[Mystic Mock]

What the hell are you going on about? That has nothing to do with what I just posted.

You think the opposite to calling Danielle a "Jesus shagger" is pretending to like her? What kind of logic is that?

Well that's what I think the 200 people that complained to Ofcom want, and a lot of the public want her to hail Christianity I think.

[Marsh.]

Well that's what I think the 200 people that complained to Ofcom want, and a lot of the public want her to hail Christianity I think.

:conf: No, they want her to mind her language and offensive remarks.

People having a problem with that comment don't want Helen to worship Christianity.

If I'm being insulted with derogatory remarks, I don't want the person saying them to like me but I'd like them to reign in the abuse.

[Mystic Mock]

So people only like Jale because they a) Want channel 5 BB to have its first woman winner or b) They're naive?

:laugh3:

I know it's ridiculous, but it's true lol. It really is, I wish I was joking.

[Marsh.]

I know it's ridiculous, but it's true lol. It really is, I wish I was joking.

But, here I am, exhibit A, I am neither of the above.

Has anyone actually said they want a woman to win or is that your imagination in overdrive?

[Mystic Mock]

:conf: No, they want her to mind her language and offensive remarks.

People having a problem with that comment don't want Helen to worship Christianity.

If I'm being insulted with derogatory remarks, I don't want the person saying them to like me but I'd like them to reign in the abuse.

Most people in this country see themselves as Christian (which really was thick on Helen's part to attack it) so most people complaining about that will be Christian.

[Jords]

Can we have a C option pls?

[Mystic Mock]

But, here I am, exhibit A, I am neither of the above.

Has anyone actually said they want a woman to win or is that your imagination in overdrive?

You know that there are some members on here that want a woman to win no matter what, and they're all clinging onto Jale and Kimberly for dear life just because they're not as hated by the public as the other female Housemates, it's really ridiculous but it's true.

[Marsh.]

Most people in this country see themselves as Christian (which really was thick on Helen's part to attack it) so most people complaining about that will be Christian.

Yes. So?

That means they want Helen to be Christian?

What kind of warped mind do you have Mock?

[Marsh.]

You know that there are some members on here that want a woman to win no matter what, and they're all clinging onto Jale and Kimberly for dear life just because they're not as hated by the public as the other female Housemates, it's really ridiculous but it's true.

Evidence?

I've seen people wanting housemates they like to win.

Not someone because they're a woman. Which poster is this?

[Mystic Mock]

Yes. So?

That means they want Helen to be Christian?

What kind of warped mind do you have Mock?

Isn't it actually more warped to force someone to change their opinion because it's against the majority? Is it seen as more socially acceptable to be a Sheep like what wins BB year after year and Kimberly this year?

[Marsh.]

Isn't it actually more warped to force someone to change their opinion because it's against the majority? Is it seen as more socially acceptable to be a Sheep like what wins BB year after year and Kimberly this year?

You think people complained because they want Helen to change her opinion? :conf:

They complained because she was offensive.

Stop thinking of people as religious extremists.

Helen can be atheist or whatever she wants, she can dislike Christianity all she wants. But when that turns into verbal abuse there's a problem.

If this was about being anti-Christian (which it isn't, Helen said it in the heat of the moment) then people can put those views across without being so crass and vulgar. That was the issue.

[Mystic Mock]

Evidence?

I've seen people wanting housemates they like to win.

Not someone because they're a woman. Which poster is this?

Like I'm naming names, and they like they are going to say on the Forum that they want bleep to win because they're a woman? It sounds so ridiculous in my post and I have a woman as my favourite in this series lol.

And people are excusing Housemates like Kimberly for being boring but will attack Marlon for being boring, how does that work?

[Marsh.]

Like I'm naming names, and they like they are going to say on the Forum that they want bleep to win because they're a woman? It sounds so ridiculous in my post and I have a woman as my favourite in this series lol.

And people are excusing Housemates like Kimberly for being boring but will attack Marlon for being boring, how does that work?

So they're not even saying it in the forum? :think:

Mock you are coming across extremely paranoid and crazy.

[Mystic Mock]

You think people complained because they want Helen to change her opinion? :conf:

They complained because she was offensive.

Stop thinking of people as religious extremists.

Helen can be atheist or whatever she wants, she can dislike Christianity all she wants. But when that turns into verbal abuse there's a problem.

If this was about being anti-Christian (which it isn't, Helen said it in the heat of the moment) then people can put those views across without being so crass and vulgar. That was the issue.

As you said though she was in an argument when she said it, most people aren't very articulate when they're in a blasing row like that as we saw with Danielle as well yet Helen got more abuse because she's more common and is a prostitute which is really unfair.

And before you say evidence some things you can just tell by how a poster posts their dislike for Helen.

[Marsh.]

As you said though she was in an argument when she said it, most people aren't very articulate when they're in a blasing row like that as we saw with Danielle as well yet Helen got more abuse because she's more common and is a prostitute which is really unfair.

And before you say evidence some things you can just tell by how a poster posts their dislike for Helen.

Yes, but when people complain it's about the TV show airing offensive content.

It's not about ringing in to take sides with Helen or Danielle.

Also, the topic of this convo was the ofcom complaints, not the forum posters.

[Mystic Mock]

So they're not even saying it in the forum? :think:

Mock you are coming across extremely paranoid and crazy.

Lol your really twisting it now, these members are all over the Big Brother boards, but they're not gonna say that they're voting for a Housemate to win because they're a woman, could you imagine how many people would be offended by the comment?

[Marsh.]

Lol your really twisting it now, these members are all over the Big Brother boards, but they're not gonna say that they're voting for a Housemate to win because they're a woman, could you imagine how many people would be offended by the comment?

I'm not twisting it.

You say all these people on the forum are supporting people purely because they want a female winner but they won't admit it on the forum. :worry:

Are you hearing voices? :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, but when people complain it's about the TV show airing offensive content.

It's not about ringing in to take sides with Helen or Danielle.

Also, the topic of this convo was the ofcom complaints, not the forum posters.

Well the posters are the only way I can tell who's got fans to some extent so it's how I know if the fans are being fair or not.

And I just got what you meant and you would be surprised at how many people supported the Ofcom complainers.

[Marsh.]

Well the posters are the only way I can tell who's got fans to some extent so it's how I know if the fans are being fair or not.

And I just got what you meant and you would be surprised at how many people supported the Ofcom complainers.

Phew. :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not twisting it.

You say all these people on the forum are supporting people purely because they want a female winner but they won't admit it on the forum. :worry:

Are you hearing voices? :hehe:

Well an older man named Norman who runs a Motel in the middle of nowhere is a personality of mine.

[Marsh.]

Well an older man named Norman who runs a Motel in the middle of nowhere is a personality of mine.

:worry:

[Mystic Mock]

:worry:

Is that you Mother?

[Marsh.]

:umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

Are you Bateing me?

[Marsh.]

No Master Bates.

[Mystic Mock]

Good.

[Ammi]

..I haven't watched any of the balm-gate stuff yet but I certainly think I would describe Pauline as a psychological bully..it's not just that she targets people and tries to turn others against them because that's quite often done..it's more that she tries to justify things to them by trying to persuade them that it's all their fault/that if they were 'better' people then these things wouldn't happen to them..a purposeful dumbing down of self-esteem in someone is something I feel is bullying...Helen..?..I've not seen anything that could be described as bullying yet..

[Vanessa]

I can sympathise with Jale, but i can't support her. I just don't find her entertaining. And no, i don't think it's bullying.

[Jake.]

My mind has completely changed.. yeah, I'd class it as bullying and Helen/Pauline are disgusting people.

[Daffodil]

Yes it is definitely bullying. She is being targetted. But, Jale is a strong person and will come through it fine. I think Helen will hang herself (metaphorically) before the end of the series i.e I think she will lose the right to a free pass to the final.

[Black Dagger]

Only after last night with the lipstick thing and Helen berating Jale in front of everybody.

Still don't think the bullying is as bad as it has been in other series though.

[Daffodil]

Only after last night with the lipstick thing and Helen berating Jale in front of everybody.

Still don't think the bullying is as bad as it has been in other series though.


True. I still think of poor Freddie and what he had to endure.

[Macie Lightfoot]

True. I still think of poor Freddie and what he had to endure.

:rolleyes: most exaggerated "bullying" ever

[smeagol]

they are all the new kids at school. the popular ones have made there barricades. and the different ones are being picked on and bansished but mainly looked down upon cause the others think they are better. some are trying desperatly hard to fit in the popular gang. some dont like the gang but wont speak up as they dont want to be targeted.
its no different to school lol
is it bullying yeah of course it is .but its nowhere near the deana bb level of bullying. now that was so bad, this is more picking on bullying than anything. its nothing to be worked up about just people trying to dominate others.

[chuff me dizzy]

100% yes ,and i hate that overused word,but in this case it is happening

[HBB1508]

Yes I think it's bullying the total pack mentality and I find it quite uncomfortable to watch and feel for Jale and Christopher as they are both being bullied imo.

[Niamh.]

I think there's definitely something like it going on yeah from last nights HLs and it seems that a few of the HMs are seeing it but aren't doing enough about it, probably for fear of being turned on

[lily.]

..I haven't watched any of the balm-gate stuff yet but I certainly think I would describe Pauline as a psychological bully..it's not just that she targets people and tries to turn others against them because that's quite often done..it's more that she tries to justify things to them by trying to persuade them that it's all their fault/that if they were 'better' people then these things wouldn't happen to them..a purposeful dumbing down of self-esteem in someone is something I feel is bullying...Helen..?..I've not seen anything that could be described as bullying yet..

It's like when people in an abusive relationship get made to feel like they're not good enough for anyone.

How do you think this situation would be perceived if Pauline was a man?

[Niamh.]

It's like when people in an abusive relationship get made to feel like they're not good enough for anyone.

How do you think this situation would be perceived if Pauline was a man?

Yeah, that's a good comparison and spot on. Pauline likes to beat people down to make herself feel great and powerful in herself

[InOne]

It's weird how a lot seem to fall for it. I imagine Pauline's good at picking up peoples insecurities and using them to her advantage. She completely homes in on what she thinks are peoples faults. A bit like a Psychopath does.

[lily.]

Good observation Joe.

[Livia]

Jale has been bullied, yes. Pauline started it and then a succession of other people took up the cause. Helen is good at it, she's done it before. As someone with previous experience of bullying, I have to say I recognise what's happening with a certain amount of horror.

I was disappointed to see someone say that Jale isn't being bullied because she "gives as good as she gets". Like, if you have a modicum of fight in you, people have free reign to treat you really badly because it doesn't look like it hurts you. I bet when I was at school there were people who said, she's not being bullied, she's not broken enough yet.

[Niamh.]

Good post Livia

[Marsh.]

Jale has been bullied, yes. Pauline started it and then a succession of other people took up the cause. Helen is good at it, she's done it before. As someone with previous experience of bullying, I have to say I recognise what's happening with a certain amount of horror.

I was disappointed to see someone say that Jale isn't being bullied because she "gives as good as she gets". Like, if you have a modicum of fight in you, people have free reign to treat you really badly because it doesn't look like it hurts you. I bet when I was at school there were people who said, she's not being bullied, she's not broken enough yet.

Agree completely.

[chuff me dizzy]

I think there's definitely something like it going on yeah from last nights HLs and it seems that a few of the HMs are seeing it but aren't doing enough about it, probably for fear of being turned on

Have you seen the video and the slug comment today ?

[Kizzy]

She has the potential, and we're all willing her to just slap them down (verbally)
Nip it in the bud jale, it's not going to get any better.

[Jake.]

Jale has been bullied, yes. Pauline started it and then a succession of other people took up the cause. Helen is good at it, she's done it before. As someone with previous experience of bullying, I have to say I recognise what's happening with a certain amount of horror.

I was disappointed to see someone say that Jale isn't being bullied because she "gives as good as she gets". Like, if you have a modicum of fight in you, people have free reign to treat you really badly because it doesn't look like it hurts you. I bet when I was at school there were people who said, she's not being bullied, she's not broken enough yet.

What a fantastic post.

[Niamh.]

Have you seen the video and the slug comment today ?

No, I can't watch the videos, they're geoblocked for me :(

[chuff me dizzy]

No, I can't watch the videos, they're geoblocked for me :(

Maybe on tonights show

[Patricia4]

Yes and Im feeling sorry for Jale right now.

[Vicky.]

Having now seen last nights and tonights show, yes. I do think it is bullying.

[smudgie]

Yes.

Not even one to one, so it is worse.

[lily.]

Helen should be ejected. People have been ejected for less.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

From the footage weve seen yeah its bullying.

Unfortuneatly we don't know why they have such a bad reaction to her as we have seen no reason.

Obviously Jale is doing a lot of stuff that's annoying everyone but the show is not showing this in the edit.

Lets be honest a bully/race gate is needed for ratings sake so that's what were getting in the highlight package.

Helen though? No edit needed. Pure ****.

[lily.]

The producers are clearly aware of it though, as they're using the footage in the HLs...

I'm not finding it entertaining in the slightest though. Helen is an awful person.

[Livia]

From the footage weve seen yeah its bullying.

Unfortuneatly we don't know why they have such a bad reaction to her as we have seen no reason.

Obviously Jale is doing a lot of stuff that's annoying everyone but the show is not showing this in the edit.

Lets be honest a bully/race gate is needed for ratings sake.

You think she's bringing it on herself? I can't imagine what you think she could possibly have done in a week and a half to justify her treatment. She in there with a bunch of bitches.

[lily.]

The fact that they hunt in packs makes it even worse.

[Vicky.]

You think she's bringing it on herself? I can't imagine what you think she could possibly have done in a week and a half to justify her treatment. She in there with a bunch of bitches.

She got the slugsworth tag on her first night too IIRC..all because she apparently rolled her eyes at pauline?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

You think she's bringing it on herself? I can't imagine what you think she could possibly have done in a week and a half to justify her treatment. She in there with a bunch of bitches.

Theres no smoke without fire but with a character like Helen she could bully an ovary before its even fertilised.

Im saying we have no live feed so we don't know whats going on.

Calm down dear.

[Patricia4]

I found it very uncomfortable watching the way Helen spoke to Jale tonight she is being picked on all the time I believe Jale is doing nothing wrong for all them wolves attacking her and Helen should be told about this by BB.

[SocietyIsRuined]

I voted "No" but after Helen tonight then I would love to change that to "Yes". I am glad that I do not know Helen in real life. One of the worst human beings on this planet void of any morals. Only a mother could love.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I found it very uncomfortable watching the way Helen spoke to Jale tonight she is being picked on all the time I believe Jale is doing nothing wrong for all them wolves attacking her and Helen should be told about this by BB.

Believe nothing 100% my child theres no live feed.

Don't be led astray.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I voted "No" but after Helen tonight then I would love to change that to "Yes". I am glad that I do not know Helen in real life. One of the worst human beings on this planet void of any morals. Only a mother could love.

And Wayne Rooney ;)

[Mystic Mock]

Miss Pity Me playing the victim again tonight, what a surprise.

[Vicky.]

Miss Pity Me playing the victim again tonight, what a surprise.

You have some serious hatred for Jale there mock :laugh:

[Doogle]

Miss Pity Me playing the victim again tonight, what a surprise.

Do you even know what playing the victim is or did you just learn it and want to keep using it? Because you aren't using it correctly

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Do you even know what playing the victim is or did you just learn it and want to keep using it? Because you aren't using it correctly

Ok can you educate us on what playing the victim is and how Jale is doing it wrong?

:)

[Doogle]

Ok can you educate us on what playing the victim is and how Jale is doing it wrong?

:)

Playing the victim would refer to completely milking it with routine crying in the diary room, seeming bothered by the comments and just generally acting helpless. Jale is just sat there unbothered. She seems more irritated than anything

I know we have no live feed and we're going by what we've been shown but if anything surely they'd show us more of Jale acting so hard done by if they want to edit it that way. Not everyone runs their mouth off when being attacked, especially when it's out of nowhere and in the heat of the moment

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Playing the victim would refer to completely milking it with routine crying in the diary room, seeming bothered by the comments and just generally acting helpless. Jale is just sat there unbothered. She seems more irritated than anything

I know we have no live feed and we're going by what we've been shown but if anything surely they'd show us more of Jale acting so hard done by if they want to edit it that way. Not everyone runs their mouth off when being attacked, especially when it's out of nowhere and in the heat of the moment

Playing the victim could also be played by getting up early or walking away during a fun situation to have a cigarette alone when knowing doing this every day will be caught on camera for every highlight show.

No?

[Black Dagger]

Miss Pity Me playing the victim again tonight, what a surprise.

Sorry that you have to defend a housemate who feels so insecure about herself that she has to bring other housemates looks down xo

[Josy]

Miss Pity Me playing the victim again tonight, what a surprise.

When did she play the victim in tonights highlights?

[Vicky.]

Playing the victim could also be played by getting up early to have a cigarette alone when knowing doing this every day will be caught on camera for every highlight show.

No?

Sorry I would be doing this with or without the **** she has had :laugh:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Sorry I would be doing this with or without the **** she has had :laugh:

LOL im still generally on Jale side but **** my anus what do we know from these 45 highlights?

[Mystic Mock]

You have some serious hatred for Jale there mock :laugh:

She's dull and doesn't seem to want to be remembered for anything else other than being the victim.

It's not my fault if she's doing it lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Do you even know what playing the victim is or did you just learn it and want to keep using it? Because you aren't using it correctly

I am using it correctly thank you very much, you just choose not to agree with me which is your choice.

[Mystic Mock]

When did she play the victim in tonights highlights?

"I'm being treated like a dartboard.” And "everyone treats me like I'm to blame for everything in here.” When if she really felt that way why not just stand up to them? If they tried to do anything to her in the house they would be thrown out, even on Ch5.

[Josy]

"I'm being treated like a dartboard.” And "everyone treats me like I'm to blame for everything in here.” When if she really felt that way why not just stand up to them? If they tried to do anything to her in the house they would be thrown out, even on Ch5.

Both things she said after she was targeted for no reason, don't you see how that's different from playing the victim?

[kistar]

Playing the victim could also be played by getting up early or walking away during a fun situation to have a cigarette alone when knowing doing this every day will be caught on camera for every highlight show.

No?

She said Good Morning to Toya , who completely ignored her before she went out and had a cigarette , she has also said that when she sits with her friends the people who hate her won't approach any of them so she is giving people space so everyone can mingle and no one gets isolated just because they are friends with her.

[kistar]

I am using it correctly thank you very much, you just choose not to agree with me which is your choice.

If she was playing the victim she would be in the diary room in tears every 5 minutes and also telling as many people as would listen that she feels she is being picked on.Also she said very early on she didn't want to get upset about Pauline or Helen because that would make her look like a victim and she didn't want that to be the case.

[kistar]

"I'm being treated like a dartboard.” And "everyone treats me like I'm to blame for everything in here.” When if she really felt that way why not just stand up to them? If they tried to do anything to her in the house they would be thrown out, even on Ch5.

Would you stand up to Helen and Pauline and Toya and by default then Ash and Steven? Because it wouldn't be just one of them it would be them all?
The people she is friends with would immediately be drawn into taking sides and that is a risk because she can't guarantee what side they would take.Sometimes it's better not to react to a situation impulsively , you are more likely to say and do things you regret .

[Mystic Mock]

Both things she said after she was targeted for no reason, don't you see how that's different from playing the victim?

They was rude to her, there is a difference.

[Cal.]

Part of it is, I don't agree that Helen not liking her is bullying her though.

[Mystic Mock]

If she was playing the victim she would be in the diary room in tears every 5 minutes and also telling as many people as would listen that she feels she is being picked on.Also she said very early on she didn't want to get upset about Pauline or Helen because that would make her look like a victim and she didn't want that to be the case.

She does go around the whole house talking about how people are being mean to her.

[kistar]

They was rude to her, there is a difference.

If it was the first time it happened it would have been rude , however it's not its relentless.

[Mystic Mock]

Would you stand up to Helen and Pauline and Toya and by default then Ash and Steven? Because it wouldn't be just one of them it would be them all?
The people she is friends with would immediately be drawn into taking sides and that is a risk because she can't guarantee what side they would take.Sometimes it's better not to react to a situation impulsively , you are more likely to say and do things you regret .

The first few times I would hold back, but by now I would definitely have said something to them by now, especially Helen.

[kistar]

She does go around the whole house talking about how people are being mean to her.

No she doesn't , yesterday in the highlights show when Helen was mean to her about the lip gloss she went into the bathroom and Kimberly asked her what was wrong she declined to talk about any of what had just happened.

[JTM45]

Undoubtedly it's bullying!!!!
It's the very definition of a bullying situation.

[Josy]

They was rude to her, there is a difference.

It went way beyond rude Mock. They are unprovoked attacks.

[kistar]

The first few times I would hold back, but by now I would definitely have said something to them by now, especially Helen.

And in doing so maybe running the risk of being alienating yourself even more.
Maybe i think the way I do because I am a coward and you're the brave one who would do something about the situation .I kind of see your point .I don't agree with it though.

[Firewire]

to be fair jale did steal helen's lipstick

[Mystic Mock]

No she doesn't , yesterday in the highlights show when Helen was mean to her about the lip gloss she went into the bathroom and Kimberly asked her what was wrong she declined to talk about any of what had just happened.

“They snapped my head off for no reason” was her exact words.

[kistar]

“They snapped my head off for no reason” was her exact words.

Then Kimberley asked what happened and she didn't elaborate.

[kistar]

“They snapped my head off for no reason” was her exact words.

She could have made a whole big deal out of that.

[Mystic Mock]

And in doing so maybe running the risk of being alienating yourself even more.
Maybe i think the way I do because I am a coward and you're the brave one who would do something about the situation .I kind of see your point .I don't agree with it though.

Trust me I'm not brave lol.

It's just that in the BB house if another Housemate gets physical they will be removed, that's why I wouldn't be scared to say stuff in there.

[Mystic Mock]

She could have made a whole big deal out of that.

Maybe she was making out that she was too scared to say anything, or it could've been that she doesn't care what the Housemates think of her and mainly the public.

[kistar]

Trust me I'm not brave lol.

It's just that in the BB house if another Housemate gets physical they will be removed, that's why I wouldn't be scared to say stuff in there.

Okay yeah I guess.

[kistar]

Maybe she was making out that she was too scared to say anything, or it could've been that she doesn't care what the Housemates think of her and mainly the public.

Yes very true maybe she was.Unlikely though in my opinion.

[lily.]

Interesting comments on this article about Helen's warning:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/big-brother/news/a578494/big-brother-helen-warned-over-jale-bullying.html


Seems a lot of people think Helen got off lightly.

[Verbal]

Interesting comments on this article about Helen's warning:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/big-brother/news/a578494/big-brother-helen-warned-over-jale-bullying.html


Seems a lot of people think Helen got off lightly.

Digital Spy, the internet's collective conscience:joker:

[Mick McMick]

Helen came into the house to change the public's opinion of her.
Well, the public still hates her.
Just for different reasons now.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Digital Spy, the internet's collective conscience:joker:

lmfao

[lily.]

Digital Spy, the internet's collective conscience:joker:

Don't forget the 'Daily Mail Comment Section' ... they're representing for the complaining masses. :thumbs: