The Bullies Plan

[M X]

Pauline, Steven, Toya, and Helen aka The Bullies clearly have this idea that if they continue to ademently deny any wrong doing towards Jale (mainly Pauline and Steven) then the public will believe them and think that Jale is just trying to play the victim. Even though we have seen them bullying Jale and know that she really is being ostracized and picked on in a complete mob mentality way.

And even more by tacticly trying to make Jale look like the bad one, they are doing it even more, and thus making themselves look worse.

It's gone from a simple clash of personalities (or more like brainwashing from Pauline because Jale was a threat to her intial popularity), to real uncomfortable viewing and behaviour. Of course it is bullying to make these remarks about somebody based on their physical appearance - 'Non Woman', 'Slug', etc...
and for Toya to threaten violence against Jale just because she made a simple throwaway joke.
Even with the situation with Helen's lip balm. It wasn't a big deal at all and you could just see that Helen knew that it was a prime opportunity to make Jale feel small and humiliate her in front of everyone.

If the public have any sense, they will see through the bullies attempt at rehabilitating their image and will support Jale all the way.

[Samm]

Toya is not a Bully AT ALL, none of them are, I'm not saying I like them because I hate Steven but can we stop with the Bully word none of the HM are being Bullied at all

[Headie]

Toya is not a Bully AT ALL, none of them are, I'm not saying I like them because I hate Steven but can we stop with the Bully word none of the HM are being Bullied at all

Agreed. Disliking people you aren't friends with/arguing with them and bullying are two different things.

[M X]

Toya is not a Bully AT ALL, none of them are, I'm not saying I like them because I hate Steven but can we stop with the Bully word none of the HM are being Bullied at all

In my opinion, a gang of people making fun of somebody's looks is bullying, and the deliberate and persistent seclusion of Jale from the other HM's is bulling. Toya included.

Toya is so far up Pauline's ass she will do whatever it takes to stay in her good books.

[Samm]

In my opinion, a gang of people making fun of somebody's looks is bullying, and the deliberate and persistent seclusion of Jale from the other HM's is bulling. Toya included.

Toya is so far up Pauline's ass she will do whatever it takes to stay in her good books.

When have they made fun of Jale's looks :laugh:

[Robodog]

Pauline, Steven, Toya, and Helen aka The Bullies clearly have this idea that if they continue to ademently deny any wrong doing towards Jale (mainly Pauline and Steven) then the public will believe them and think that Jale is just trying to play the victim. Even though we have seen them bullying Jale and know that she really is being ostracized and picked on in a complete mob mentality way.

And even more by tacticly trying to make Jale look like the bad one, they are doing it even more, and thus making themselves look worse.

It's gone from a simple clash of personalities (or more like brainwashing from Pauline because Jale was a threat to her intial popularity), to real uncomfortable viewing and behaviour. Of course it is bullying to make these remarks about somebody based on their physical appearance - 'Non Woman', 'Slug', etc...
and for Toya to threaten violence against Jale just because she made a simple throwaway joke.
Even with the situation with Helen's lip balm. It wasn't a big deal at all and you could just see that Helen knew that it was a prime opportunity to make Jale feel small and humiliate her in front of everyone.

If the public have any sense, they will see through the bullies attempt at rehabilitating their image and will support Jale all the way.

I agree.

People get hung up on the word 'bullying' but if anyone was in Jale's position and was being called 'slug' 'non woman' etc by a group then you would feel horrible, of course you would, whether you used the word bully or not.

Jale definitely deserves support. The way they are acting towards her is a disgrace. Amazing she has kept her cool and her sense of humour in the face of all their bile.

[Me. I Am Salman]

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[Marsh.]

When have they made fun of Jale's looks :laugh:

They said Jale looked like a man.

[Livia]

Toya is not a Bully AT ALL, none of them are, I'm not saying I like them because I hate Steven but can we stop with the Bully word none of the HM are being Bullied at all

Every other year when the word bully is used, I've said the same thing. This year... no... it is bullying.

[Livia]

Agreed. Disliking people you aren't friends with/arguing with them and bullying are two different things.

Singling them out, talking about them behind their backs, making them feel like sh1t... that's bullying. I'm surprised you can't see it and wonder what it is that's blinding you.

[Niamh.]

Singling them out, talking about them behind their backs, making them feel like sh1t... that's bullying. I'm surprised you can't see it and wonder what it is that's blinding you.

Yep, making them feel so uncomfortable when they enter a room that they feel they have to leave........

[chuff me dizzy]

Pauline, Steven, Toya, and Helen aka The Bullies clearly have this idea that if they continue to ademently deny any wrong doing towards Jale (mainly Pauline and Steven) then the public will believe them and think that Jale is just trying to play the victim. Even though we have seen them bullying Jale and know that she really is being ostracized and picked on in a complete mob mentality way.

And even more by tacticly trying to make Jale look like the bad one, they are doing it even more, and thus making themselves look worse.

It's gone from a simple clash of personalities (or more like brainwashing from Pauline because Jale was a threat to her intial popularity), to real uncomfortable viewing and behaviour. Of course it is bullying to make these remarks about somebody based on their physical appearance - 'Non Woman', 'Slug', etc...
and for Toya to threaten violence against Jale just because she made a simple throwaway joke.
Even with the situation with Helen's lip balm. It wasn't a big deal at all and you could just see that Helen knew that it was a prime opportunity to make Jale feel small and humiliate her in front of everyone.

If the public have any sense, they will see through the bullies attempt at rehabilitating their image and will support Jale all the way.

You forgot Kim whos also a bully

[Marsh.]

Walking passed Jale sitting in the living room, all successively giving her dirty looks, Helen making a passive aggressive comment and then Kim and Helen working out what Kim should say in the garden like 5 year olds.

I'd like to hear an argument for that not being bullying. It's as obvious as though it were a playground.

[chuff me dizzy]

When have they made fun of Jale's looks :laugh:

Calling her slug ?

[Pete.]

You forgot Kim whos also a bully
no...

[Marsh.]

no...

Yes, her plotting with Helen about what to say to Jale to make Jale believe she's her friend and that she can trust her.

That tactic is straight out of primary school.

[Livia]

Kimberly is very passive aggressive, I think.

[Lostie!]

Agreed. Disliking people you aren't friends with/arguing with them and bullying are two different things.

But, that's not an accurate description of what's happening.

[Niamh.]

Yes, her plotting with Helen about what to say to Jale to make Jale believe she's her friend and that she can trust her.

That tactic is straight out of primary school.

It's disgusting and cruel

[Daniel.]

You forgot Kim whos also a bully

How is Kim a bully?

She did that plan with Helen but who knows what that was about.

Considering Jale considered Kimberly a fried then I really don't think she feels bullied by Kimberly.

How ridiculous.

[InOne]

I'd just like to clarify for everyone that Kimberly is not a bully.

[Samm]

You forgot Kim whos also a bully

omg I can't believe this how is Kim a bully :facepalm:

[Livia]

I don't think that Kimberly is a bully, but she's associating with the bullies and her nature seems very passive aggressive.

[wendywillow]

lol now kim is a bully?? because shes trying to play the game? this has gotten nuts

[jet]

For those who don't think Jale is being bullied:
1: How would you feel in her position?
2: How would you class what is happening to you as?
2: What would you do in her position?

[chuff me dizzy]

For those who don't think Jale is being bullied:
1: How would you feel in her position?
2: How would you class what is happening to you as?
2: What would you do in her position?

Exactly

[smeagol]

im really bored with the jale bully thing. christopher and chris have got it bad as well. and i hope people realize that jale is the biggest game player in there. she is so not silly .
i didnt see this much on it on other shows. this bullying is really minor playground stuff .

if you think thats bad bullying wait till they find out chris is the power housemate lol

[Headie]

In my opinion, a gang of people making fun of somebody's looks is bullying, and the deliberate and persistent seclusion of Jale from the other HM's is bulling.

By that logic then that means there are bullies on this site. I've seen plenty of people calling Toya and Pauline ugly and going on about Danielle looking unattractive for a model etc.

[chuff me dizzy]

By that logic then that means there are bullies on this site. I've seen plenty of people calling Toya and Pauline ugly and going on about Danielle looking unattractive for a model etc.

:thumbs: Closet bullying is everywhere, but when its on our Tv screens it cannot be classed as funny or entertainment

[Robodog]

For those who don't think Jale is being bullied:
1: How would you feel in her position?
2: How would you class what is happening to you as?
2: What would you do in her position?

Good post.

When people in their numbers are picking out an individual and getting at that them repeatedly like that - what else would you call it?

[Alf]

If she's getting bullied then that's her own problem. This isn't the school playground she's a grown woman, either confront those doing it head on or make a complaint to Big Brother, otherwise people are well in their rights to believe she's playing the victim.

[jet]

If she's getting bullied then that's her own problem. This isn't the school playground she's a grown woman, either confront those doing it head on or make a complaint to Big Brother, otherwise people are well in their rights to believe she's playing the victim.

So getting bullied is her own fault and ignoring the bullies and not running to BB equates to playing a victim?
Seems to me it makes her a strong women who won't give the bullies the satisfaction of breaking her.

Apart from Jale, are you saying that if an adult doesn't confront a bully they deserve that kind of treatment?

[chuff me dizzy]

If she's getting bullied then that's her own problem. This isn't the school playground she's a grown woman, either confront those doing it head on or make a complaint to Big Brother, otherwise people are well in their rights to believe she's playing the victim.

Adults can get bullied too

[Vanessa]

I'm so fed up of all the bullying talk. :sleep:

[jet]

I'm so fed up of all the bullying talk. :sleep:

Why read it then? :shrug:

[Alf]

Adults can get bullied too
Anybody can be bullied if you let it happen.


She got me angry when Helen had a go at her about the lip balm, and she just stood there apologiesing to Helen (she had nothing to apologies for) and then walked off.

I wanted her to say, "sorry Helen but what's your *****ing problem? you skanky clapped-out trout"

If she's not gonna stand up for herself then no one else is gonna do it for her, if she did start standing up for herself then she would become popular in the house.

[Livia]

It's a hard thing to stand up for yourself when you're suddenly a complete outsider. I was very young when I was bullied, I would react very differently today... but at the time I felt powerless and utterly alone. I actually think Jale's handling it really well, but it doesn't alter the fact that the behaviour being displayed by a group of them in there is classic bullying, led by Pauline and propped up by Helen and to an extent, Toya. Jale must know that BB would never let it go too far, but it must be a horrible feeling when she's not actually done anything wrong.

[Alf]

So getting bullied is her own fault and ignoring the bullies and not running to BB equates to playing a victim?
Seems to me it makes her a strong women who won't give the bullies the satisfaction of breaking her.

Apart from Jale, are you saying that if an adult doesn't confront a bully they deserve that kind of treatment?
Show me exactly were I said she deserves that kind of treatment.

I said it's her problem, only she can stop it and if she just keeps on taking it then you cant blame people thinking she's playing a bit of the victim.

[Josy]

When have they made fun of Jale's looks :laugh:

Umm they called her slugsworth and said she was a non woman...

[jet]

Show me exactly were I said she deserves that kind of treatment.

I said it's her problem, only she can stop it and if she just keeps on taking it then you cant blame people thinking she's playing a bit of the victim.

That was my interpretation of your words and still is. If you meant otherwise then why bother with what I think.
And its not only she who can stop it. How about the bullies stopping it?

[chuff me dizzy]

Anybody can be bullied if you let it happen.


She got me angry when Helen had a go at her about the lip balm, and she just stood there apologiesing to Helen (she had nothing to apologies for) and then walked off.

I wanted her to say, "sorry Helen but what's your *****ing problem? you skanky clapped-out trout"

If she's not gonna stand up for herself then no one else is gonna do it for her, if she did start standing up for herself then she would become popular in the house.

But it wouldnt be one onto one Helen has lots of back up with Pauline,Steven,Toya, Kim,Ash,Ashleigh.....Jales not going to risk taking her on until the number dwindle then I think she will

[Alf]

That was my interpretation of your words and still is. If you meant otherwise then why bother with what I think.
And its not only she who can stop it. How about the bullies stopping it?
If that still is your interpretation then I'll clarify for you. I seriously couldn't give a shining sh*te if she's being bullied or not I just don't care that much about the BB contestants these days.

The main point I was trying to make was that you cant blame people for thinking she's trying to get through the game playing the victim when she doesn't stand up for herself when being verbally attacked.

[Lostie!]

Anybody can be bullied if you let it happen.


She got me angry when Helen had a go at her about the lip balm, and she just stood there apologiesing to Helen (she had nothing to apologies for) and then walked off.

I wanted her to say, "sorry Helen but what's your *****ing problem? you skanky clapped-out trout"

If she's not gonna stand up for herself then no one else is gonna do it for her, if she did start standing up for herself then she would become popular in the house.

I'd love for her to stand up for herself more, but it's not as simple as that. If you don't have high confidence, or if you're feeling intimidated because of the situation, it's not so easy to fight back. That doesn't mean she's fair game or deserves it.

And even confident people who do fight back can be bullied. I highly doubt it would suddenly stop just because she argues back.

[Alf]

I'd love for her to stand up for herself more, but it's not as simple as that. If you don't have high confidence, or if you're feeling intimidated because of the situation, it's not so easy to fight back. That doesn't mean she's fair game or deserves it.

And even confident people who do fight back can be bullied. I highly doubt it would suddenly stop just because she argues back.
I understand what your saying, however she's in an environment where she can stand up for herself, the gang are not gonna give her a gang beating because she confronts them, not on national TV.

Bullies will only victimize somebody who allows them to get away with it.

[Robodog]

I'd love for her to stand up for herself more, but it's not as simple as that. If you don't have high confidence, or if you're feeling intimidated because of the situation, it's not so easy to fight back. That doesn't mean she's fair game or deserves it.

And even confident people who do fight back can be bullied. I highly doubt it would suddenly stop just because she argues back.

Good post.

If anything it would probably make it worse if she argued back. It would only give them more ammo and they would use her retalliation as an excuse to justify their behaviour towards her.

Plus if she argued back, it would make it look like a 50/50 argument which it isn't. Right now it's 100% from them. Her quietness is making it very obvious who the aggressors are.

In that sense, she is dealing with it perfectly by not falling into their trap. Retalliation is EXACTLY what they want her to do.

It's still not pleasant to watch though. Put yourself in Jale's shoes and it's a horrible place to be, whether you call it bullying or not.

[Mystic Mock]

I love how a lot of people are forgetting how Jale ostracized herself on her first proper night in the house, and saying how she doesn't connect with any of them.

Yes they've been rude to her (not bullied there is a difference) but people should admit Jale's faults in this as well instead of turning her into a saint like people did with Jim Davidson in the last CBB.

[Tarryn]

I just can't understand people who say they are not bullies.
How far do you want them to go ?.
Mental bullying is sometimes far worse than physical bullying.
I'm not saying all of Pauline's "gang" are doing it but Helen & Steven are.
Toya is near it sometimes.
It must feel awful to be Jale in there.

[jet]

Good post.

If anything it would probably make it worse if she argued back. It would only give them more ammo and they would use her retalliation as an excuse to justify their behaviour towards her.

Plus if she argued back, it would make it look like a 50/50 argument which it isn't. Right now it's 100% from them. Her quietness is making it very obvious who the aggressors are.

In that sense, she is dealing with it perfectly by not falling into their trap. Retalliation is EXACTLY what they want her to do.

It's still not pleasant to watch though. Put yourself in Jale's shoes and it's a horrible place to be, whether you call it bullying or not.

Brilliant post Robodog.
I was going to post something similar, but you have put it perfectly. :worship:

[Mystic Mock]

They said Jale looked like a man.

People slag other peoples looks off in everyday life, does that mean we're all bullies?

[Tarryn]

People slag other peoples looks off in everyday life, does that mean we're all bullies?

No, but people go too far. Then they are bullies.
If you make another person's life so bad (& in that house it must be very claustrophobic) then yes, IMO you are a bully.

[Livia]

I love how a lot of people are forgetting how Jale ostracized herself on her first proper night in the house, and saying how she doesn't connect with any of them.

Yes they've been rude to her (not bullied there is a difference) but people should admit Jale's faults in this as well instead of turning her into a saint like people did with Jim Davidson in the last CBB.

Jim Davidson won. Are you suggesting that everyone who voted for him was wrong and did it because they were gullible and not as quite as switched on as as those who were against him? People call it as they see it.

[Mystic Mock]

For those who don't think Jale is being bullied:
1: How would you feel in her position?
2: How would you class what is happening to you as?
2: What would you do in her position?

1. Annoyed
2. People being nasty to me, but hey I'm used to that as I can bring it on myself sometimes
3. Break all their things

[Mystic Mock]

im really bored with the jale bully thing. christopher and chris have got it bad as well. and i hope people realize that jale is the biggest game player in there. she is so not silly .
i didnt see this much on it on other shows. this bullying is really minor playground stuff .

if you think thats bad bullying wait till they find out chris is the power housemate lol

I'll give you Christopher as I really did feel sorry for him with the way he was treated, but Chris is like Jale imo when it comes to being victimized.

[Jamesy]

No, but people go too far. Then they are bullies.
If you make another person's life so bad (& in that house it must be very claustrophobic) then yes, IMO you are a bully.

+1

What has been happening in this years BB is going too far. Pauline's treatment of Christopher and Helen's treatment of Jale just show this. They are crossing the line. Facebook and Twitter just show this too. People aren't pleased at all with what is going on. It's uncomfortable viewing.

[AnnieK]

I hate the way the word bully is thrown around these days, the more it's used the less impact it has especially for those who are actually being mercilessly bullied in real life. Lets not forget people have taken their own lives because they feel they have no where to turn / no way out. Jale is handling the situation well, the behaviour demonstrated on the show can be well be identified as bullying behaviour but jale is actually pretty hard, she takes it, knows they are dishing it out and doesn't react. Pauline, Helen and co would love her to react as it then justifies their feelings. A less self assured person could have either flipped or broken down by now. However you dress it up, childish name calling, pack mentality or bullying for me it makes pretty uncomfortably viewing and not entertaining as it's persistent. I found the Helen / Danielle argument entertainment because that's what it was, an argument. Not persistent, constant belittling and isolating behaviour.

[Lola844]

You forgot Kim whos also a bully

Yes. They don't want to say Kim is also making plans with Helen. People just want to reprehend some for there behaviors but not their favorite. I think Kim has been the worst, she is backstabbing her making her think they are friends.

[Mystic Mock]

Jim Davidson won. Are you suggesting that everyone who voted for him was wrong and did it because they were gullible and not as quite as switched on as as those who were against him? People call it as they see it.

When did I say that in my post? I just said when people like someone they only point out the good stuff in them and not their bad points, and when people hate someone in BB they'll make out that everything that they do is wrong when it some cases they're not.

[Tarryn]

I hate the way the word bully is thrown around these days, the more it's used the less impact it has especially for those who are actually being mercilessly bullied in real life. Lets not forget people have taken their own lives because they feel they have no where to turn / no way out. Jale is handling the situation well, the behaviour demonstrated on the show can be well be identified as bullying behaviour but jale is actually pretty hard, she takes it, knows they are dishing it out and doesn't react. Pauline, Helen and co would love her to react as it then justifies their feelings. A less self assured person could have either flipped or broken down by now. However you dress it up, childish name calling, pack mentality or bullying for me it makes pretty uncomfortably viewing and not entertaining as it's persistent. I found the Helen / Danielle argument entertainment because that's what it was, an argument. Not persistent, constant belittling and isolating behaviour.

You are right it is uncomfortable to watch.
Never before have I wanted to jump inside my tv & say something to another person as much as I have with Pauline.
That woman needs to be stood up to.
The sad thing is that people like her never really "get" just how bad they are & what an impact it has on another person's life.
A 10 minute interview with Emma if/when she get's evicted will never really get to the core of how awful she has been.

[Lola844]

+1

What has been happening in this years BB is going too far. Pauline's treatment of Christopher and Helen's treatment of Jale just show this. They are crossing the line. Facebook and Twitter just show this too. People aren't pleased at all with what is going on. It's uncomfortable viewing.

It's called people being idiots not bullying the public is the biggest bully. If you go on twitter they have called ever single one of them vile things. When they get out they will be called even worst to their faces. So the public stop acting as if they themselves are not bullies. PLEASE.

http://i.imgur.com/GE8ggui.gif

[Miranda123]

Toya is not a Bully AT ALL, none of them are, I'm not saying I like them because I hate Steven but can we stop with the Bully word none of the HM are being Bullied at all

youre on the wrong side of the fence idiot, its obvious to anyone with a brain that Toya is just as much a bully as the rest of them

YES I SAID BULLY!!!

[Mystic Mock]

It's called people being idiots not bullying the public is the biggest bully. If you go on twitter they have called ever single one of them vile things. When they get out they will be called even worst to their faces. So the public stop acting as if they themselves are not bullies. PLEASE.

http://i.imgur.com/GE8ggui.gif

:thumbs:

[mary poppins]

I would love jale to stand up for herself..but if she does she will probably come out the worst of it. helen is one of the worst hm ever...she has a nasty tongue and loves stirring the ****, wish she had never got that pass. so happy pauline is up and hope jale stays...that would give the rest a good kick up the backside...pauline should just sit on the couch and not utter a word until shes voted out because its painful to listen to the sh*** that comes out of her mouth!

[Marsh.]

People slag other peoples looks off in everyday life, does that mean we're all bullies?

Stop talking rubbish Mock.

I was responding to Sam saying that Jale's looks hadn't been insulted, they had.

[Mystic Mock]

youre on the wrong side of the fence idiot, its obvious to anyone with a brain that Toya is just as much a bully as the rest of them

YES I SAID BULLY!!!

Toya being a dickhead does not mean that they're all bullying Jale.

[Livia]

When did I say that in my post? I just said when people like someone they only point out the good stuff in them and not their bad points, and when people hate someone in BB they'll make out that everything that they do is wrong when it some cases they're not.

I'm not sure that's true. I don't think any one could, with a clear conscience, say that Jim Davidson was always in the right. Likewise, Jale is not a saint. However, but if you compare her to Helen and Pauline for instance, she's well on her way to beatification. We haven't seem much of Jale except when she's being singled out by the pack. I actually think it's those who are excusing the behaviour we've witnessed who are the blinkered ones.

[Mystic Mock]

Stop talking rubbish Mock.

I was responding to Sam saying that Jale's looks hadn't been insulted, they had.

Speaking sense instead of brandishing the word "bully" around the Forum should not be being attacked like that but what do you expect when you're not in the Jale Fan Club.:bawling:

And I know who you was responding to but you was acting as if you was agreeing with the poster that said that slagging people's looks off means you're a bully, if I'm right on that then how am I talking rubbish? Because so far I've been pretty accurate.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not sure that's true. I don't think any one could, with a clear conscience, say that Jim Davidson was always in the right. Likewise, Jale is not a saint. However, but if you compare her to Helen and Pauline for instance, she's well on her way to beatification. We haven't seem much of Jale except when she's being singled out by the pack. I actually think it's those who are excusing the behaviour we've witnessed who are the blinkered ones.

Check older posts out to do with that last CBB and see any Jim supporter say that Jim was in the wrong in one argument? I know I never found any.

And with Helen and Pauline I've said that they've been rude to Jale, but bullying is what Christopher suffered, he tried to get himself out of it and for now it looks like he has, Jale from her first proper night in the house wanted to be a victim by making out that no one wanted to speak to her, well of course they're not going to if your not making an effort silly woman.

[Marsh.]

Speaking sense instead of brandishing the word "bully" around the Forum should not be being attacked like that but what do you expect when you're not in the Jale Fan Club.:bawling:

And I know who you was responding to but you was acting as if you was agreeing with the poster that said that slagging people's looks off means you're a bully, if I'm right on that then how am I talking rubbish? Because so far I've been pretty accurate.

I never said anything about bully. Sam's post claimed Jale's looks have not been insulted, I corrected her as Jale's looks have been insulted.

It's as simple as that. Stop looking for things that aren't there.

[Livia]

Check older posts out to do with that last CBB and see any Jim supporter say that Jim was in the wrong in one argument? I know I never found any.

And with Helen and Pauline I've said that they've been rude to Jale, but bullying is what Christopher suffered, he tried to get himself out of it and for now it looks like he has, Jale from her first proper night in the house wanted to be a victim by making out that no one wanted to speak to her, well of course they're not going to if your not making an effort silly woman.

Okay... looks like your blinkers are actually welded on. We'll leave it at that.

[Samm]

her

:umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

Okay... looks like your blinkers are actually welded on. We'll leave it at that.

How? I thought that was one of my more fairer posts but okay.

[Mystic Mock]

All hail Jale, apparently it's the only way to be fair.

[Jamesy]

It's called people being idiots not bullying the public is the biggest bully. If you go on twitter they have called ever single one of them vile things. When they get out they will be called even worst to their faces. So the public stop acting as if they themselves are not bullies. PLEASE.

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It is bullying in the house...

I didn't mention the way in which people on social networking are name calling. Didn't say anything about the public not being bullies either. I just mentioned the fact that people on sites have been showing their disagreement with what's happening and that they don't enjoy watching it.

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[Marsh.]

:umm2:

:hehe: Slip of the weave.

[Marsh.]

Yes, victims of bullying can "get themselves out of it". It's as simple as that. :)

[beardedbloke]

And with Helen and Pauline I've said that they've been rude to Jale, but bullying is what Christopher suffered, he tried to get himself out of it and for now it looks like he has, Jale from her first proper night in the house wanted to be a victim by making out that no one wanted to speak to her, well of course they're not going to if your not making an effort silly woman.

You say Christopher has 'got himself out of it' - but at what price? Pauline totally broke the poor bloke and made him her 'pet'. Jale on the other hand seems of stronger character and has not succumbed to Pauline's psychological bullying - Jale has refused to break down and become her lapdog. This makes Pauline view her as an 'enemy'. Haven't you noticed that Pauline doesn't want equality with the others? She wants adulation and obedience and god help anyone who refuses to give it to her.

How you can say that you don't see any bullying in that house is beyond me.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, victims of bullying can "get themselves out of it". It's as simple as that. :)

I'm saying he tried which is more than Jale who just isn't trying at all.

[Marsh.]

I'm saying he tried which is more than Jale who just isn't trying at all.

What is "trying" in your eyes?

What do you want her to do? Lick Helen's feet and grovel to be liked?

[Mystic Mock]

You say Christopher has 'got himself out of it' - but at what price? Pauline totally broke the poor bloke and made him her 'pet'. Jale on the other hand seems of stronger character and has not succumbed to Pauline's psychological bullying - Jale has refused to break down and become her lapdog. This makes Pauline view her as an 'enemy'. Haven't you noticed that Pauline doesn't want equality with the others? She wants adulation and obedience and god help anyone who refuses to give it to her.

How you can say that you don't see any bullying in that house is beyond me.

Pauline is a horrible person I agree with you on that, but bullying imo is someone trying to get in the social dynamics of the house and half the Housemates at least not giving a **** about their efforts, would you say that Jale has tried to get into the social dynamics of the house at all and answer honestly here? If anything she's trying to make herself more unpopular in the house.

[beardedbloke]

.pauline should just sit on the couch and not utter a word until shes voted out because its painful to listen to the sh*** that comes out of her mouth!

Oh my. I just had the weirdest image come into my mind. Norman Bates as his mother sitting on the chair thinking 'I'll just sit here and be quiet, then they'll see how harmless I am. I wouldn't even hurt a fly'..... gave me the shivers it did :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

What is "trying" in your eyes?

What do you want her to do? Lick Helen's feet and grovel to be liked?

How about having some fun in the house, speak to people, and most importantly don't set people up into arguments just to try and make them look bad in front of the public and make yourself look sympathetic to the public.

[Vanessa]

How about having some fun in the house, speak to people, and most importantly don't set people up into arguments just to try and make them look bad in front of the public and make yourself look sympathetic to the public.

This!

[Mystic Mock]

This!

I've got someone on my side.:cheer2:

I knew I could count on you and a few others Vanessa.

[Vanessa]

I've got someone on my side.:cheer2:

I knew I could count on you and a few others Vanessa.

I don't dislike Jale, but she just isn't entertaining for me. Helen reminds me a lot of Heidi. :tongue:

[reece(:]

It's called people being idiots not bullying the public is the biggest bully. If you go on twitter they have called ever single one of them vile things. When they get out they will be called even worst to their faces. So the public stop acting as if they themselves are not bullies. PLEASE.

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[Mystic Mock]

I don't dislike Jale, but she just isn't entertaining for me. Helen reminds me a lot of Heidi. :tongue:

Are you on about Heidi from Speidi? If so I loved her as well lol.

[reece(:]

youre on the wrong side of the fence idiot, its obvious to anyone with a brain that Toya is just as much a bully as the rest of them

YES I SAID BULLY!!!

Is this post serious? Can you not elaborate without insulting members?Bitching does not equal bullying...

[Vanessa]

Are you on about Heidi from Speidi? If so I loved her as well lol.

Yes. There are similarities. Both fearless and speak their minds. :)

[Mystic Mock]

I don't dislike Jale, but she just isn't entertaining for me. Helen reminds me a lot of Heidi. :tongue:

Yes. There are similarities. Both fearless and speak their minds. :)

Agreed, two awesome Housemates.

Hopefully people will grow to appreciate Helen as a Housemate eventually.

All I know is that if you go into the BB house as a newcomer this series don't argue on Jale as you will become the new bully.:joker:

[Vanessa]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/7fe3d7c0ef4eda1cca6dd76339db4623/tumblr_mh0bkbw3d81r2rsz6o1_250.png :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

I've saved that picture, thanks for putting it up Vanessa.

[Marsh.]

How about having some fun in the house, speak to people, and most importantly don't set people up into arguments just to try and make them look bad in front of the public and make yourself look sympathetic to the public.

So Helen and Pauline are being set up to have arguments?

Ok then.

[Vanessa]

I've saved that picture, thanks for putting it up Vanessa.

I like Helen, Steven and Toya. The only one i don't like is Pauline. Too overbearing.

[Marsh.]

I'm saying he tried which is more than Jale who just isn't trying at all.

Of course she's tried. Several times she's sat with Pauline to try and sort things out and Pauline flips and refuses to speak to her.

[Vanessa]

Of course she's tried. Several times she's sat with Pauline to try and sort things out and Pauline flips and refuses to speak to her.

Pauline just can't accept other people point of view. If you don't agree with her she turns on you.

[Mystic Mock]

So Helen and Pauline are being set up to have arguments?

Ok then.

Well if she even tried to be civil to them they might leave her alone, if they didn't then yes they would be out of order, but so far it's all down to Jale not even wanting to socialize with the house from day 1 that she was in the house.

[Marsh.]

Well if she even tried to be civil to them they might leave her alone, if they didn't then yes they would be out of order, but so far it's all down to Jale not even wanting to socialize with the house from day 1 that she was in the house.

So Jale is asking for their jibes, rudeness and bitchiness because she isn't being civil?

:joker: Examples?

It just seems your favourite is looking bad so you automatically think the other person is doing it on purpose.

[Mystic Mock]

I like Helen, Steven and Toya. The only one i don't like is Pauline. Too overbearing.

I like Helen and Steven there, I've got to admit that Toya's too horrible and annoying even for me.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

So Jale is asking for their jibes, rudeness and bitchiness because she isn't being civil?

:joker: Examples?

It just seems your favourite is looking bad so you automatically think the other person is doing it on purpose.

Read the post again and if you don't think that's an example then you really have got rose tinted glasses on.:joker:

[AnnieK]

Yes. There are similarities. Both fearless and speak their minds. :)

Helen is not fearless....she is actually spineless. She picks on the weakest, isolated housemates. She would not go up against Pauline. She also thinks ses invincible with her pass to the final. I know plenty of girls like Helen (and i know people who know Helen who have comfirmed this) they can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk...they walk away.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yes. There are similarities. Both fearless and speak their minds. :)

Yeah that's why Heidi and Spencer isolated themselves from everyone and just grumbled to each other talking ****. Soooooooooo fearless and wow she spoke her mind so much.

[Mystic Mock]

At least Speidi took them on though, they didn't turn themselves into victims.

[reece(:]

Can we get security in here?!

[Vanessa]

Helen is not fearless....she is actually spineless. She picks on the weakest, isolated housemates. She would not go up against Pauline. She also thinks ses invincible with her pass to the final. I know plenty of girls like Helen (and i know people who know Helen who have comfirmed this) they can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk...they walk away.

I know she's bitchy, but she knows when she goes too far and always apologizes. I find her great to watch and i much prefer her to a dullard.

[Vanessa]

At least Speidi took them on though, they didn't turn themselves into victims.

They were awesome!

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfao how could Speidi have taken anyone on when they just complained to each other and avoided everyone else

[Mystic Mock]

I know she's bitchy, but she knows when she goes too far and always apologizes. I find her great to watch and i much prefer her to a dullard.

Agreed, people pick and choose when it's okay to save an entertainer over a dullard though.

[Vanessa]

Agreed, people pick and choose when it's okay to save an entertainer over a dullard though.

Some of the others also have potential, like Chris, for example. He's funny. :D

[Mystic Mock]

Some of the others also have potential, like Chris, for example. He's funny. :D

There's potential with Chris, I just don't know at the minute though there is something bugging me about him.

[Vanessa]

There's potential with Chris, I just don't know at the minute though there is something bugging me about him.

He's an actor and is using it to his advantage. Good for him!

[Lostie!]

Agreed, people pick and choose when it's okay to save an entertainer over a dullard though.

Believe it or not, not everybody has the same opinion on what constitutes as an entertainer or a dullard.

[Mystic Mock]

Believe it or not, not everybody has the same opinion on what constitutes as an entertainer or a dullard.

So for example when Arron lost to Conor in BB13 you would actually say that Conor was more entertaining?

[Macie Lightfoot]

But Arron wasn't entertaining either...

[Mystic Mock]

He's an actor and is using it to his advantage. Good for him!

Yeah I suppose you're right on that, I just don't know I was expecting more from him than his given so far I think.

[Mystic Mock]

But Arron wasn't entertaining either...

He did way more than the Wannabe Rapist.

[Vanessa]

Yeah I suppose you're right on that, I just don't know I was expecting more from him than his given so far I think.

I think we will see more of him.

[Lostie!]

So for example when Arron lost to Conor in BB13 you would actually say that Conor was more entertaining?

I found neither entertaining. At all. They irritated me in equal measure.

Though, I have to wonder what relevance this has to my post. I don't recall ever suggesting I found Conor entertaining.

[Macie Lightfoot]

He did way more than the Wannabe Rapist.

Yeah but he didn't do anything good. Like, "doing something" doesn't impress me. Quality and content matters more, all Arron did was obnoxious pranks and irritate me and others. Loud asshole isn't an automatically entertaining trait.

[Mystic Mock]

I found neither entertaining. At all. They irritated me in equal measure.

Though, I have to wonder what relevance this has to my post. I don't recall ever suggesting I found Conor entertaining.

I'm on about because you was saying that "people find different things entertaining" part of your post and you think that it's okay for Conor to have survived then? Even though he was horrible and boring.

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfao yeah I don't even know how this turned into a Conor vs. Arron thing

[AnnieK]

I'm on about because you was saying that "people find different things entertaining" part of your post and you think that it's okay for Conor to have survived then? Even though he was horrible and boring.

That's a little irrelevant Mock...the poster didn't say who or what they find entertaining, just that people find different things entertaining. Which is ood as if we all agreed, the forum would be pretty boring and just a giant love in. You are entitled to like Helen and thinks she's entertaining, not everyone will agree with you, but they are just as entitled to find Jale entertaining

[Marsh.]

Read the post again and if you don't think that's an example then you really have got rose tinted glasses on.:joker:

You didn't provide an example.

You said Jale has been unsociable from Day 1. That's you stating something, not providing an example.

[Lostie!]

I'm on about because you was saying that "people find different things entertaining" part of your post

Yes, what is entertaining / dull is subjective to the individual. For example, you found Rachel Rice boring, I found her endearing and remain glad to this day that she won. Neither of us are right or wrong, because we clearly value different qualities in housemates. When discussing who is entertaining in BB, we're dealing with opinions, not facts.

and you think that it's okay for Conor to have survived then? Even though he was horrible and boring.

No, I don't. I didn't like Conor, and wanted him to be evicted every time he was nominated. Again, where did I even suggest anything like that?

I'm aware that what classes as entertaining varies from person to person. I have my view on the types of housemates who I like to watch, you have yours, others have theirs. That was my point. Obviously, some liked watching Conor, or else he wouldn't have survived at all. I don't feel the same as them, but that's the nature of opinions.

But yeah, I don't really know how we got into all this. I was simply stating how what you find to be entertaining / dull isn't the same for everybody.

[chuff me dizzy]

At least Speidi took them on though, they didn't turn themselves into victims.

it didnt get them anywhere, they didnt win