Bullying

[Josy]

Yes it's that word.

Helen is flat out bullying Jale now there is no other word at all to describe what she's doing to her and I honestly think it's time for BB to step and put a stop to that.

[Macie Lightfoot]

She really is awful

[Jords]

100%

[Vicky.]

Definite bullying. I was on the fence..but tonights show changed that

[Samm]

-waits for ofcom-

But I have to agree she was rude in today's ep

[Marc]

She should have her kid taken away from her.

[Josy]

Definite bullying. I was on the fence..but tonights show changed that

Same Vicky, I know the word gets bandied about far too much but tonight sealed it, there was no need for her behaviour at all.

[zakman440]

Yes. She just needs to go.

[Me. I Am Salman]

no intervention from BB please. yes she's being really nasty to jale but I'd rather things just happen naturally.

[Jake.]

Yup, said so earlier so I completely agree. People can label it as entertaining or just being bitchy.. it isn't, it's going out of your way to make somebody feel worthless.

[smudgie]

Pack mantality...pack of bitches.

Helen is as bad as Pauline if not worse.

[smeagol]

no. its time jale stopped milking it and had a go back like she would outside the house.
she doesn't have to stand there and take it.

[Jordan.]

After tonight I'm starting to agree, that bit at the end was totally unprovoked. I wish Jale would stand up for herself.

[Livia]

Totally agree. Take the pass of her and put her up next week.

[Jordan.]

no intervention from BB please. yes she's being really nasty to jale but I'd rather things just happen naturally.

letting Jale suffer for your own entertainment :umm2:

[Shaun]

It's the childish tone with which she says things aside from her walking-group of friends that really makes it obvious... the way she (and Tamara) called Christopher boring, and Jale slug/ "were you listening?" Just such a sad, condescending tone and just makes her look infantile.

[Marsh.]

letting Jale suffer for your own entertainment :umm2:

:umm2:

[Kazanne]

She should be exposed to the house as the ***** she is,they should show her comments on the plasma,they should then set an example and take her free pass away and swap it with jales

[lily.]

Stick a poll on this Josy ... see if it differs much from the one I made yesterday..

[GypsyGoth]

Well if it's bullying then Helen should be removed from the house.

[Marsh.]

The Turd and her Flies.

[Josy]

Ok I added a poll

[Kazanne]

The Turd and her Flies.

Flies congregate round **** dont they?

[Amy Jade]

I agree, the word is thrown around a lot when it doesn't apply but here it really does Jale was just sitting minding her own business and Helen just attacked her unprovoked.

Jale has shown amazing restraint though.

[lily.]

It's funny how 'slug' is a combination of slag and slut.. both of which apply to Helen herself.

[Gillian-73]

It is. Helen was a nasty cow tonight!

[Jordan.]

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[Northern Monkey]

Gotta admit,Slug with elephant ears had me laughing though.

[00Jamie00]

She is, horrible person

[Daniel.]

I don't think so. I agree it's not nice but I think Jale is handling it well, she's hard skinned.

I think there was only 2 bullying incidents in BB - Richard and Shahbaz and Conor and Deana.

[Me. I Am Salman]

letting Jale suffer for your own entertainment :umm2:

unless her behaviour becomes actually threatening/way too prolonged/it becomes (proper) group bullying, bb should leave it to the housemates. helen is just 1 person

and yet again people failing to understand that 'entertainment' could mean many things. finding something interesting/compelling/fascinating doesn't necessarily mean I'm getting laughs at jale's expense

don't really care if you all think that makes me a monster. there is war in the world hunz :~} x

[Saph]

unless her behaviour becomes actually threatening/it becomes (proper) group bullying it should be left to the housemates. helen is just 1 person

and yet again people failing to understand that 'entertainment' could mean many things. finding something interesting/compelling/fascinating doesn't necessarily mean I'm getting laughs at jale's expense

don't really care if you all think that makes me a monster. there is war in the world hunz :~} x
some people have war in their countries

[Me. I Am Salman]

I don't think so. I agree it's not nice but I think Jale is handling it well, she's hard skinned.

I think there was only 2 bullying incidents in BB - Richard and Shahbaz and Conor and Deana.

Shahbaz is probably my favourite housemate of all time and Sezer is one of my worst, yet I wouldn't change that week for anything, it's one of the most compelling weeks of television I've ever seen

[sharky6262]

Yes it's that word.

Helen is flat out bullying Jale now there is no other word at all to describe what she's doing to her and I honestly think it's time for BB to step and put a stop to that.

Take her amunity away ...she wont be long in changing her attitude. ..smug bitch

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think that even though people may overuse the word bullying, people are even quicker to go NOT THE B WORD THERE'S NO BULLYING GOING ON and like, this is bullying in its purest form. Don't blind yourself to it.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Yeah, 'were you listening', was horrid when she was sat 10m away with Ashleigh & Danielle, minding her own business

[kistar]

Maybe BB are waiting for Jale to go to them and say she feels like she is being bullied before they take any action?

[Hofman]

Did anyone else notice Helen stop and stand next to Jaley behind the sofa, waiting for a response so she could kick off. I think if she had responded Helen would have flipped out.

I'm finding it very uncomfortable to watch!!

If it's not bullying which IMO It is then it certainly is victimisation, which shouldn't be tolerated by the producers!!

[Jordan.]

unless her behaviour becomes actually threatening/way too prolonged/it becomes (proper) group bullying, bb should leave it to the housemates. helen is just 1 person

and yet again people failing to understand that 'entertainment' could mean many things. finding something interesting/compelling/fascinating doesn't necessarily mean I'm getting laughs at jale's expense

don't really care if you all think that makes me a monster. there is war in the world hunz :~} x

This is just stupid, it shouldn't have to escalate to something worse for BB to interfere. It's already uncomfortable as it is.

[GypsyGoth]

I find it hard to fathom that 7 people have voted 'no'.

I will explain my reasons.

Jale was insulted by Helen and then Helen went to the smoking area. From Jale's point of view that was it.

But from our point of view we were witness to much more. We heard her insult Jale a few times and continue it outside. So for us the scene is much worse than what Jale actually had to deal with.

Also Toya didn't respond to Jale, we then saw the follow up convo with Pauline and it made the whole scene seem nastier than just someone not wanting to chat in the morning. And again Toya apologized to Jale.

So I feel that the HL show condenses it and make it seem more potent than it necessarily is. Now if Jale was insult three or four time to her face throughout the day. Then I would feel that bullying is starting to happen in this series. But as it is, I don't.

[Hofman]

This is just stupid, it shouldn't have to escalate to something worse for BB to interfere. It's already uncomfortable as it is.

We'll said!

[Patricia4]

Totally agree. Take the pass of her and put her up next week.

I agree Ive said this somewhere.

[Hofman]

I will explain my reasons.

Jale was insulted by Helen and then Helen went to the smoking area. From Jale's point of view that was it.

But from our point of view we were witness to much more. We heard her insult Jale a few times and continue it outside. So for us the scene is much worse than what Jale actually had to deal with.

Also Toya didn't respond to Jale, we then saw the follow up convo with Pauline and it made the whole scene seem nastier than just someone not wanting to chat in the morning. And again Toya apologized to Jale.

So I feel that the HL show condenses it and make it seem more potent than it necessarily is. Now if Jale was insult three or four time to her face throughout the day. Then I would feel that bullying is starting to happen in this series. But as it is, I don't.

Finding your opinion difficult to swallow.

So Jaley heard comments then saw Helen walk behind her and would have heard her stop waiting for a reaction! That is intimidating to anyone when someone else stands behind your back!

[Marsh.]

Flies congregate round **** dont they?

That's what a turd is?

It's funny how 'slug' is a combination of slag and slut.. both of which apply to Helen herself.

I thought she called her "slugworth" which means eavesdropper?

Bit rich of her to call Jale a slut.

[Sam:)]

Yes she is. Dictionary definition describes it basically.

noun, plural bul·lies.
1.
a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.

verb (used with object), bul·lied, bul·ly·ing.
6.
to act the bully toward; intimidate; domineer. also can a mod merge the threads because there is basically one being made every night now.

[GypsyGoth]

Finding your opinion difficult to swallow.

So Jaley heard comments then saw Helen walk behind her and would have heard her stop waiting for a reaction! That is intimidating to anyone when someone else stands behind your back!

I don't understand what you're asking me.

And are you implying that Helen was physically intimidating to Jale during the name calling scene?

[Vicky.]

Honestly, it was the very last part of the show that swung it for me.

There as absolutely no need for it, and Jale did absolutely nothing to provoke it either...yesterday could be argued about the lipgloss as I know some people thought she did that on purpose, but tonight she literally did nothing but sit on the sofa talking to Ashleigh.

[Josy]

Yes she is. Dictionary definition describes it basically.

also can a mod merge the threads because there is basically one being made every night now.

No.

[InOne]

Wasn't like half the night missing though? All those Kim videos went on last night didn't they and none of that was shown

[Me. I Am Salman]

I will explain my reasons.

Jale was insulted by Helen and then Helen went to the smoking area. From Jale's point of view that was it.

But from our point of view we were witness to much more. We heard her insult Jale a few times and continue it outside. So for us the scene is much worse than what Jale actually had to deal with.

Also Toya didn't respond to Jale, we then saw the follow up convo with Pauline and it made the whole scene seem nastier than just someone not wanting to chat in the morning. And again Toya apologized to Jale.

So I feel that the HL show condenses it and make it seem more potent than it necessarily is. Now if Jale was insult three or four time to her face throughout the day. Then I would feel that bullying is starting to happen in this series. But as it is, I don't.

thank you :worship: I find posts like this laughable. some people could benefit greatly from taking a little break from the show


When you really look around this site, it's not overly surprising though.

[Saph]

thank you :worship: I find posts like this laughable. some people could benefit greatly from taking a little break from the show

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[suekesh]

I have never made a comment before on any televison programme on a social network but the vile comments that came out of Helen's mouth this evening were disgraceful and I cannot understand why the 'pass' has not been taken off her yet? I also wish her male lap dogs would stand up to her, they all seem to be in her control. How dare she call another person, who does not seem to have done anything the things she called Jale this evening and then Ash (who obviously is just weak) giggled with her which will just make her throw these comments around even more. It is out and out bullying, how we will ever stop kids from bullying each other when adults are even worse. Well done Jale i say for not coming down to her gutter level! BB needs to set an example that blatant bullying will not be tolerated and is indeed punished for it.

[joeysteele]

I have always held back as to the word bullying on BB,except for Jade and co with Shilpa.
However, yes, this is bullying now and it is far from in any way nice to see and watch too.

[Hofman]

I don't understand what you're asking me.

And are you implying that Helen was physically intimidating to Jale during the name calling scene?

Totally!! Would you have been comfortable if someone had insulted you in an aggressive tone and then stood behind you?

[Saph]

I think because I watch so many shows focusing around bitchy women that this whole pauline/jale/helen thing seems pretty tame.. but I can see why people who aren't used to seeing stuff like this are feeling strongly about it.

[erinp5]

Ricky Gervais @rickygervais · 49m

Never seen blatant bullying in Big Brother like Helen & Pauline. Vile. Chris & Jale for the final!

[Black Dagger]

After the past couple of days, definitely.

Odious wench.

[Josy]

I have never made a comment before on any televison programme on a social network but the vile comments that came out of Helen's mouth this evening were disgraceful and I cannot understand why the 'pass' has not been taken off her yet? I also wish her male lap dogs would stand up to her, they all seem to be in her control. How dare she call another person, who does not seem to have done anything the things she called Jale this evening and then Ash (who obviously is just weak) giggled with her which will just make her throw these comments around even more. It is out and out bullying, how we will ever stop kids from bullying each other when adults are even worse. Well done Jale i say for not coming down to her gutter level! BB needs to set an example that blatant bullying will not be tolerated and is indeed punished for it.

Welcome to the forum.

I basically agree with every word of your post.

[GypsyGoth]

Totally!! Would you have been comfortable if someone had insulted you in an aggressive tone and then stood behind you?

I don't take insults well, so wouldn't have been comfortable with it no matter where the person was standing. And I think Helen is a very intimidating person.

But I don't think Jale felt physically intimidated by Helen during that.

[Hofman]

I don't take insults well, so wouldn't have been comfortable with it no matter where the person was standing. And I think Helen is a very intimidating person.

But I don't think Jale felt physically intimidated by Helen during that.

Really?

Having seen/heard how she went at Danielle I would have felt very concerned being Jale, especially seeing the venom in her face towards me.

I also think it's one of the reasons why she didn't react.

[Hofman]

I also don't understand why none of the other housemates haven't said anything to Helen. I would not of sat back and not said something being there in person.

[Jack_]

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

[Glenn.]

Definite bullying. I was on the fence..but tonights show changed that

Same tbh. She was disgusting tonight.

[GypsyGoth]

Really?

Having seen/heard how she went at Danielle I would have felt very concerned being Jale, especially seeing the venom in her face towards me.

I also think it's one of the reasons why she didn't react.

Yes really.

Dani got the better of Helen that evening.

[Hofman]

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

Did she she not highlight in a quite elevated tone she was being blamed for everything. That to me showed it was affecting her.

She also showed signs of anxiety when talking about others walking away when she has tried to talk to them

[Kizzy]

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

[Hofman]

Yes really.

Dani got the better of Helen that evening.

Have to disagree :shrug:

Danielle so didn't get the better, she was a nervous wreck after that and climbed back in her shell and been to scared to speak up since.

[Jordan.]

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

[Josy]

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

Well yes it is Kizzy because BB has always had rules.

[Josy]

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

True.

[Jack_]

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and bullied then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

[Hofman]

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

Do we not remember BB5 fight night, or Shilpa?

Rules are needed for a reason!

Without rules it would dissolve in to the Hunger Games

[Vicky.]

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and targeted then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying
If you believe all of this, then you will also agree that Deana wasn't bullied? Afterall she was strong through it all and stood up for herself.

Edit. Only using Deana as an example because I have seen so many times over the past day or so about how Deana was the only 'real' case of bullying etc

[Samm]

This is my view on it, Helen was being harsh to Jale in tonight's episode that's why I have gone off Helen, some of it can be classed as bullying but imo it's not as bad as previous years for example the first week of BB7 & CBB5 imo also BB3, but I get annyoned when people on here class toya and Kimberly as the bullies as well just because both like Helen :bored:

[GypsyGoth]

Have to disagree :shrug:

Danielle so didn't get the better, she was a nervous wreck after that and climbed back in her shell and been to scared to speak up since.

If you look at the argument again, you'll see that Helen retreats from Dani to the smoking area.

Sure Dani looks a wreck the following day, she was convinced she'd blown her chances in the house. She's only recovering from that now. But the argument with Helen, Dani won that.

[Cal.]

Helen is not bullying Jale, the situation is going over the top now and it better not turn out in some mass rebellion or something by the fans because it's completely over the top. I haven't agreed with some of the things Helen has done, like the lip balm thing and calling her a slug, but I think Helen speaks before she thinks and I think once she sits back and thinks about what she's doing/done, she'll show her decent side and apologize, much like she did with Danielle. That's my personal opinion, obviously it could change but if she persists I will not be happy.

[Hofman]

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and bullied then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

We better stop protecting children bullied by abusive parents who think it's ok then! Or abused wife's who thinks its normal to be beaten and just accept it. That rational makes my blood boil, completely and utterly flawed

[Jack_]

No I don't feel like Deana was bullied either and this is coming from a fan of hers. She was targeted and people were nasty to her, but she had Luke and Adam and dealt with the situation she was in. She was treated in a vile manner but it wasn't bullying

The only real instances of bullying in BBUK are Shahbaz and Shilpa. And actually it pisses me off that so many people on here are screaming that this is bullying yet I swear I've seen quite a few claim that Shahbaz wasn't bullied/that he brought it on/it was justified. That whole week was uncomfortable and disgusting television and if I were to ever rewatch BB7 I'd have to skip it, it makes me angry thinking about it, it puts a downer on so many of the housemates for me that week. That was bullying.

[Glenn.]

Helen is not bullying Jale, the situation is going over the top now and it better not turn out in some mass rebellion or something by the fans because it's completely over the top. I haven't agreed with some of the things Helen has done, like the lip balm thing and calling her a slug, but I think Helen speaks before she thinks and I think once she sits back and thinks about what she's doing/done, she'll show her decent side and apologize, much like she did with Danielle. That's my personal opinion, obviously it could change but if she persists I will not be happy.

Well good for her then :thumbs:

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

[Vicky.]

Shahbaz was absolutely bullied, and anyone who claims otherwise obviously just dislikes him and is blinded by that

[Vladimir]

not sure if it's bullying or not but Jale needs to stand up for herself.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/3a601e16cfd4ea25e0667e68c230b455/tumblr_n58mltjxN91qhf9blo1_250.gif

[Hofman]

Well good for her then :thumbs:

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

Of course it's OK :shocked:

[Firewire]

luke a is the one true bully calling becky out her bmi, disgusting

[Cal.]

Well good for her then :thumbs:

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

Well I don't see Toya being accused of being a bully but people seem to think that it's okay if she apologized to Helen, why the different rules for Helen?

I think people need to watch the first week of BB7 and CBB5 like someone said earlier before they start all this **** about Helen.

[Samm]

Liz jones would fix this mess

[Jake.]

Why is being isolated/being spoken about in a vile manner so different from being bullied? No matter what you class it as, it's disgusting, with or without the 'bully' tag.

[Jack_]

We better stop protecting children bullied by abusive parents who think it's ok then! Or abused wife's who thinks its normal to be beaten and just accept it. That rational makes my blood boil, completely and utterly flawed

Don't be ****ing ridiculous comparing some nasty comments and unnecessary targeting on a reality TV show to domestic violence where one partner controls the other through psychological and physical manipulation to convince them that they're fine and if they leave things will get worse. In fact you insinuating I'd support something like that is making MY blood boil, so quit it

[Daniel.]

Deana's was the worst ever imo cuz the wannabee rapust was around nearly the whole series

Richard bullied Shahbaz awfully but it wasn't too long

[Samm]

Sezer bullied Shahbaz awfully but it wasn't too long

Corrected

[Daniel.]

No Richard was the worst and why I never liked him

[Samm]

But I'd rather have this then watching BBAUS that has a PG rating

[Glenn.]

Well I don't see Toya being accused of being a bully but people seem to think that it's okay if she apologized to Helen, why the different rules for Helen?

I think people need to watch the first week of BB7 and CBB5 like someone said earlier before they start all this **** about Helen.


As far as we've seen, toya hasn't been completely OTT nasty at Jale for NO reason like Helen.

[Jake.]

Pretty much all of them joined in on the 'let's bully Shabaz' bandwagon, no correction really needed

[Jack_]

Why is being isolated/being spoken about in a vile manner so different from being bullied? No matter what you class it as, it's disgusting, with or without the 'bully' tag.

No one is saying it's not disgusting and she's acting in a vile manner, but bullying is a whole different kettle of fish and makes a person much, much worse

The biggest conflict I have with Helen is that she shows signs of being rational in that she can step back and admit she acted in a horrible manner, she's done so with Christopher and Danielle and she apologises for it...but then she sinks back into it and makes herself look worse. It's quite annoying

[Kizzy]

Do we not remember BB5 fight night, or Shilpa?

Rules are needed for a reason!

Without rules it would dissolve in to the Hunger Games

Those cases included violence and racial slurs... neither of which have occurred here.
This is the name of the game... of course it's possible that bb has spoken to jale and asked how she feels and if she's fine then there's no need to intervene.

[Hofman]

Don't be ****ing ridiculous comparing some nasty comments and unnecessary targeting on a reality TV show to domestic violence where one partner controls the other through psychological and physical manipulation to convince them that they're fine and if they leave things will get worse. In fact you insinuating I'd support something like that is making MY blood boil, so quit it

Your being ****ing ridiculous!!

I work with victims of abuse both physical and mental every day and what you are saying in here is really very sad to hear!! It's only bullying if it effects you, what planet are you on! People adapt various coping mechanisms many of which hide feelings from others as a defence.

[Black Dagger]

Richard and Sezer were definitely the worst with the Shabaz thing, they locked him in the garden and ate meat crisp, taunting him, they were repulsive.

How Richard was a fan fave is beyond me. Fat ox.

[Hofman]

Those cases included violence and racial slurs... neither of which have occurred here.
This is the name of the game... of course it's possible that bb has spoken to jale and asked how she feels and if she's fine then there's no need to intervene.

I agree with what you are saying in many ways, I just think BB needs to demonstrate to the viewers that they are monitoring how she is feeling and coping with the situation. Then at least we will know if intervention is really necessary.

[Jordan.]

Your being ****ing ridiculous!!

I work with victims of abuse both physical and mental every day and what you are saying in here is really very sad to hear!! It's only bullying if it effects you, what planet are you on! People adapt various coping mechanisms many of which hide feelings from others as a defence.

Agreed, it's easy to look from the outside and say "oh she's strong she can handle it" just because she hasn't fully made her feelings known.

[BigBuk]

It is bullying imo, I thought last year that Dexter was being bullied, looking back it I think it was pack mentality but no one said the kinda things to him that is being said to Jale, its disgusting. You can tell she is being made uncomfortable in the house.

I dont know if its in my nature to think that shes being bullied, I've never been bullied but I can tell from seeing it that it would feel horrible. I think if you make people feel uncomfortable that in itself is bullying imo.

[jet]

I have never made a comment before on any televison programme on a social network but the vile comments that came out of Helen's mouth this evening were disgraceful and I cannot understand why the 'pass' has not been taken off her yet? I also wish her male lap dogs would stand up to her, they all seem to be in her control. How dare she call another person, who does not seem to have done anything the things she called Jale this evening and then Ash (who obviously is just weak) giggled with her which will just make her throw these comments around even more. It is out and out bullying, how we will ever stop kids from bullying each other when adults are even worse. Well done Jale i say for not coming down to her gutter level! BB needs to set an example that blatant bullying will not be tolerated and is indeed punished for it.

Well your first post was a great one! I agree 100%.
Welcome Suekesh :wavey:

[Jack_]

They have regular chats with and access to psychologists, there are hundreds of DR's we never get to see (and never will do because they're private matters) which no doubt include conversations regarding housemates welfare, I'm pretty sure if she really felt bullied she would say so or they would intervene. They have a legal obligation to do so, it's a workplace

[RomGurl]

Don't be ****ing ridiculous comparing some nasty comments and unnecessary targeting on a reality TV show to domestic violence where one partner controls the other through psychological and physical manipulation to convince them that they're fine and if they leave things will get worse. In fact you insinuating I'd support something like that is making MY blood boil, so quit it

Actually, Jack, I'm not sure you are the voice of experience here. Take it from someone who has been the receiving end of bullying in public life and domestic bullying and violence that even verbal bullying can be horrific to the recipient but sometimes you feel completely powerless to fight back.

Just because someone doesn't have a nervous breakdown whenever something mean is said doesn't mean it don't hurt them. I was brought up to put on a brave face!

To everyone on this forum who doesn't agree that this is bullying, I feel that perhaps you have never been bullied or you would be more understanding!

Those who feel they are strongest in the house are certainly picking on those they perceive to be the weakest imho

[GypsyGoth]

Actually, Jack, I'm not sure you are the voice of experience here. Take it from someone who has been the receiving end of bullying in public life and domestic bullying and violence that even verbal bullying can be horrific to the recipient but sometimes you feel completely powerless to fight back.

Just because someone doesn't have a nervous breakdown whenever something mean is said doesn't mean it don't hurt them. I was brought up to put on a brave face!

To everyone on this forum who doesn't agree that this is bullying, I feel that perhaps you have never been bullied or you would be more understanding!

Those who feel they are strongest in the house are certainly picking on those they perceive to be the weakest imho

I was bullied, but what happened in the highlights this evening to Jale wasn't as dramatic as people are making out.

Toya didn't respond to Jale when she said good morning to her. And later in the day Helen accused her of listening in and called her a slug.

Now Helen's actions are certainly horrible, but that's not bullying.

[jet]

I was bullied, but what happened in the highlights this evening to Jale wasn't as dramatic as people are making out.

Toya didn't respond to Jale when she said good morning to her. And later in the day Helen accused her of listening in and called her a slug.

Now Helen's actions are certainly horrible, but that's not bullying.

In your opinion it isn't bullying. But if you look at the polls the majority of the forum here, plus Twitter and Facebook postings, think Jale IS being bullied.
I think it's rather arrogant to state 'that's not bullying' as if your opinion is fact and the majority are over - reacting.

[RomGurl]

I was bullied, but what happened in the highlights this evening to Jale wasn't as dramatic as people are making out.

Toya didn't respond to Jale when she said good morning to her. And later in the day Helen accused her of listening in and called her a slug.

Now Helen's actions are certainly horrible, but that's not bullying.

I will continue to disagree with that no matter how many times you say it. End of.

[GypsyGoth]

In your opinion it isn't bullying. But if you look at the polls the majority of the forum here, plus Twitter and Facebook postings, think Jale IS being bullied.
I think it's rather arrogant to state 'that's not bullying' as if your opinion is fact and the majority are over - reacting.

I believe you misunderstand me. I'm not stating anything as fact apart from Jale is being treated badly in there and that she's also being picked on.

The rest is all my opinion. I disagree with the majority of people here, that doesn't make them right and me wrong. It means just that our opinions differ. I don't think it's arrogant of people to say it's bullying, and I don't expect people to think I'm arrogant for saying it's not.

The nastiness in there seems more relentless because we are allowed to see the conversations before and after the small bit that Jale is subjected to. Just my opinion.

[JTM45]

Bullying can come in many different forms and levels and while what we're seeing isn't the worst bullying we've seen on BB it's still clearly bullying.
The definition of bullying is;

using superior strength or influence to intimidate or attempt to intimidate someone

which is what is undeniably happening.:shrug:

[Robodog]

Different people draw different lines when it comes to what they would call 'bullying'.

For some it needs to get physical. For others it needs to get racist, sexist, homophobic etc before the line is crossed.

I'd say being called a 'slug' and a 'non woman' repeatedly for no reason is just as bad as any racist comment. Personally for me, i'd say it's worse than racism because it is directed personally rather than just some generalised comment about one's race.

But as i say, we all have different levels and lines in the sand regarding acceptable behaviour.

And right now, we cannot say for sure exactly what Jale's line is.

[Ammi]

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

...hmmm, it's really hard to comment fully because I missed last night's HL show with some of the 'Helen bullying'..?..so I don't know if it was bullying...

..anyway Jack, to an extent you're right and it's something that we use/schools use etc to detect bullying..'do you feel bullied..'..so that can cover quite a lot of things because it's to do with how situations/treatment of that person has made them feel when it comes to emotional/psychological bullying..?...I'm assuming that Jale hasn't said to BB that she feels bullied in the diary room otherwise I think they would have to/would have intervened..?..

..also if I recall, things like the 'slug' comment weren't something that Jale heard or were said directly to her/in earshot of her..(I may be wrong about that..)..so they would be mean/spiteful etc but not necessarily bullying...

..for me so far though, I would class Pauline's behaviour as bullying even if Jale herself didn't feel bullied because it's not so much to do with a 'mean girls' thing and more to do with how she almost 'sinisterly' tries to make people feel small and as though they're treatment is all their fault..she chose Jale for the killer nomination..?..that's cool, she had to choose someone and maybe she didn't get along with Jale so much/didn't like her but then she told Jale how it was all her fault that she'd nominated her and tried to make her feel awful about herself..maybe she didn't think Jale felt quite awful enough..?..so she then went on to try to influence the others but not just in thyeir opinion of Jale which she wanted to be the same as hers but also influence their treatment of Jale and their behaviour toward her, which was to isolate her...the words 'you must isolate Jale/we must isolate Jale..' may not have been used, they wouldn't would they..?..but she was quite aware of her influence over some of the housemates and to me, that;s the 'message' she was giving them and that is also a definition of bullying Jack...

..it's hard also I think when you're actually in that situation and for Jale there are lots of other things like being cut off from her support group/knowing that she's up for eviction each week etc..and even if she felt bullied..?..would expressing that to BB make her a 'pity me' to the public and vote her out etc...there may be reasons why she's reluctant to say anything openly either to BB or the other housemates in a 'confrontational' way...I guess with Helen, she's got her pass to the final so she feels she can act any way she wants to and maybe the more awful the better because it'll get her airtime..?..but with Jale, she's the opposite with a ki8ller nomination so maybe she feels that just 'keeping a lower profile' and not reacting etc or expressing 'bullying' to BB would be the best thing atm..?...

[Marc]

It is bullying. It's something most people can easily recognise from their own experiences growing up. It's 100% bullying and it's cruel. When Jale leaves the house and sees what Helen etc have been saying about her she'll most likely be devastated even though she'll show a stern exterior.

[Ammi]

It is bullying. It's something most people can easily recognise from their own experiences growing up. It's 100% bullying and it's cruel. When Jale leaves the house and sees what Helen etc have been saying about her she'll most likely be devastated even though she'll show a stern exterior.

..yeah well, you're a bit of a bully for making a better/more understandable post than mine in much fewer words..:laugh:...




..what Marc said...

[Cherie]

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me


Totally agree with this, I think how Jale is playing it is perfect, she is not rising to the provocation (though even her sister was surprised that she hadn't kicked off) Jale is aware of how well underdogs do in the house, and Helen and co are playing right into her hands.

[kefln]

I find it disturbing that people don’t view this situation as bullying.

Why should the reactions of the “victim” dictate whether this is bullying?

Helen is part of the “in” crowd, in fact she is the leader of the “in” crowd. She has all the friends and support that is needed in the BB house, while safe in the knowledge that she can never be nominated . She has shown that she is well able to attack in an argument. Anything she does, she has any number of lackeys to rally around her. Her position could not be stronger.

Jale is possibly one of the most isolated people in the house. She does have a few pals, but no real close friends. She has no support network. She is mostly left to sit by herself and chat to whomever comes over. She is up for eviction every week and has no stability because of it. Her position is about as weak as can be.

Helen is a classic bully. She knows how isolated Jale is. She is confident enough to say what she wants about the girl behind her back and now she is saying what she wants to her face.

There was no need for last nights insults. Jale was sitting quietly eating. Helen had her “crowd”. The whole outburst was to belittle Jale. It was a show of power for Helen. She was reminding everyone that she is top dog. And she picked on the most isolated person and someone who has yet to fight back.

The fact that Jale hasn’t broken, or isn’t crying, has nothing to do with whether or not she is a victim of a bully. Because you can’t blame a victim for the actions of another person.

Helen tried to provoke a reaction from Jale in the nastiest way possible, by publicly mocking her. She even went as far as to announce exactly who her attacks were and were not aimed at. She stood her ground waiting for the reaction. There was none, so she walked away publicly insulting Jale, out loud.

Helen has gone from calling Jale a slug in the confines of the bathroom, to out loud in front of everyone. Yet there has been no reason for this escalation. There has been no confrontation, or “he said she said” between them.

Helen has picked an isolated target and has now opened the floodgates for further attacks, by her, or by others.

[Tarryn]

In the outside world Jale would have got up a smacked Helen in that foul mouth of hers, but in that house she can't do this.
If Jale did SHE would be the one evicted & Helen & the rest of the bullies win.
So I think Jale is just being sensible & not doing anything.
I can't believe some people think Jale is bringing this on herself.
She is not playing the victim she IS the victim.

[Niamh.]

In the outside world Jale would have got up a smacked Helen in that foul mouth of hers, but in that house she can't do this.
If Jale did SHE would be the one evicted & Helen & the rest of the bullies win.
So I think Jale is just being sensible & not doing anything.
I can't believe some people think Jale is bringing this on herself.
She is not playing the victim she IS the victim.

Exactly.

[Kizzy]

Eh.. in the real world when does this type of situation EVER occur? It doesn't, and people rarely come to blows when they have a disagreement :conf:
There has been some sniping and a couple of barbed remarks... I'm beginning to think it's being blown out of all proportion.
Remember deana? she was ostracized and bitched about before the outsiders were formed.

[HBB1508]

I find it disturbing that people don’t view this situation as bullying.

Why should the reactions of the “victim” dictate whether this is bullying?

Helen is part of the “in” crowd, in fact she is the leader of the “in” crowd. She has all the friends and support that is needed in the BB house, while safe in the knowledge that she can never be nominated . She has shown that she is well able to attack in an argument. Anything she does, she has any number of lackeys to rally around her. Her position could not be stronger.

Jale is possibly one of the most isolated people in the house. She does have a few pals, but no real close friends. She has no support network. She is mostly left to sit by herself and chat to whomever comes over. She is up for eviction every week and has no stability because of it. Her position is about as weak as can be.

Helen is a classic bully. She knows how isolated Jale is. She is confident enough to say what she wants about the girl behind her back and now she is saying what she wants to her face.

There was no need for last nights insults. Jale was sitting quietly eating. Helen had her “crowd”. The whole outburst was to belittle Jale. It was a show of power for Helen. She was reminding everyone that she is top dog. And she picked on the most isolated person and someone who has yet to fight back.

The fact that Jale hasn’t broken, or isn’t crying, has nothing to do with whether or not she is a victim of a bully. Because you can’t blame a victim for the actions of another person.

Helen tried to provoke a reaction from Jale in the nastiest way possible, by publicly mocking her. She even went as far as to announce exactly who her attacks were and were not aimed at. She stood her ground waiting for the reaction. There was none, so she walked away publicly insulting Jale, out loud.

Helen has gone from calling Jale a slug in the confines of the bathroom, to out loud in front of everyone. Yet there has been no reason for this escalation. There has been no confrontation, or “he said she said” between them.

Helen has picked an isolated target and has now opened the floodgates for further attacks, by her, or by others.

:worship:

[LukeB]

Big brother needs to sort this out to be fair or show us and tell us if they have because they might of said something. we only see 1 hour of big brother

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jale gets up and says morning to Toya

Toya blanks her

What kind of evil fecked up person can display such hate after a week or so when that person has done her no wrong. I think its a cultural thing too in terms of extremes between women.

[erinp5]

There have been complaints and even a petition set up over the perceived bullying of Jale Karaturp in Big Brother 2014.



Both Pauline Bennett and Helen Wood have been accused of ganging up against Jale in the house.

Last night we saw Helen brand Jale a “slug” in another clash between the two sides.

“I’m used to this s**t. I’ve been called non woman, all sorts…” Jale reacted to Helen’s “slug” slur. “Let them ******ing think it, I couldn’t give a s**t anymore, I just want to have fun.”

She added: “If I’m that ******ing interesting let them talk about me.”

Fans of the show have now launched a petition demanding Big Brother to step in against the bullies.



Even Big Brother’s Bit On The Side host Luisa Zissman last night admitted the the behaviour in the house reminded her of “playground bullying.”

Several of our readers have also lashed out at both Pauline and Helen for their treatment of not only Jale but also Christopher Hall.

Shaun Joseph Mooney commented: “Bullying should be punished because Helen is the worst for it not right to call someone a slug.”

And Mummy0208 agreed: “I think Helens immunity needs to be revoked because what she is doing to Jale is bullying, she’s a filthy home wrecker with a even filthier mouth and I shall be reporting to Ofcom.”

Telly watchdog Ofcom has already seen over 200 complaints this series, with more than 100 alone prompted by Helen’s “Stop s******g Jesus” remark to Danielle in their argument on last week.


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[Cherie]

]Eh.. in the real world when does this type of situation EVER occur? It doesn't, and people rarely come to blows when they have a disagreement :conf:[/B]
There has been some sniping and a couple of barbed remarks... I'm beginning to think it's being blown out of all proportion.
Remember deana? she was ostracized and bitched about before the outsiders were formed.

.

[Niamh.]

Jale gets up and says morning to Toya

Toya blanks her

What kind of evil fecked up person can display such hate after a week or so when that person has done her no wrong. I think its a cultural thing too in terms of extremes between women.

What do you mean by that?

[mary poppins]

Its verbal bullying and she should be called to the diary room along with pauline and toya and made to apologise to jale in front of the other hm...It may be just a game but there is no excuse for the name calling, helen already did that to danielle and then had a cheek to say she wasnt the type of person to single people out or be mean to them! come on BB just take them aside and tell them to COP ON!

[flamingGalah!]

Of course it is bullying, 100%...

And those that say they don't think it is bullying obviously have never been bullied. I got bullied at school, in a similar way to how Jale is being bullied & just because you don't let your bullies see that it is affecting you doesn't mean that it isn't! :nono:

[Jordan.]

Jale gets up and says morning to Toya

Toya blanks her

What kind of evil fecked up person can display such hate after a week or so when that person has done her no wrong. I think its a cultural thing too in terms of extremes between women.

:huh:

[Samm]

Jale gets up and says morning to Toya

Toya blanks her

What kind of evil fecked up person can display such hate after a week or so when that person has done her no wrong. I think its a cultural thing too in terms of extremes between women.

Jale did say the she wanted space from Toya and Toya said she will give her space that's why she ignored her and as Toya said in her VT she loves revenge

I have ignored someone before in the morning tbh

[erinp5]

Ricky Gervais @rickygervais ·


Never seen blatant bullying in Big Brother like Helen & Pauline. Vile. Chris & Jale for the final!

[Samm]

Ricky Gervais @rickygervais ·


Never seen blatant bullying in Big Brother like Helen & Pauline. Vile. Chris & Jale for the final!

Has he even watched the first week of BB7 or CBB5

[erinp5]

Has he even watched the first week of BB7 or CBB5

No clue but he has watched this BB and has seen what the majority see ...bullying .

[lily.]

thank you :worship: I find posts like this laughable. some people could benefit greatly from taking a little break from the show

Why did you quote me after saying this?