Disappointed

[LukeB]

As a Helen fan I feel so disappointed with her by the way she has been acting towards Jale. i do feel its wrong . i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad. i do feel Jale is acting Victim still though as there is no way she is that type of person who lets anyone treat her like rubbish.Jale is 33 and should know everyone should stand up themselfs. yes she is up for eviction every week but that didn't stop Danielle arguing with Helen and it didn't stop Luisa on her cbb series. if only we can send Helen messages because i'm gutted she lost her chance of winning big brother and i'm gutted she hasn't changed her reputation as she wanted, i think it made it worst for her. She needs to step back otherwise i would like her pass revoked and given to someone nicer in the house who is Winston even though he in the final anyway

[rubymoo]

It's hard for Jale to stand up for herself, as she will be taking on not just Helen, but Pauline, Toya, Steven and Ash. Jale needs to bide her time, things will right:-)

[LukeB]

It's hard for Jale to stand up for herself, as she will be taking on not just Helen, but Pauline, Toya, Steven and Ash. Jale needs to bide her time, things will right:-)

it's making her look weak and the more weak she looks the more they go on and on that makes me feel she playing victim

[Tarryn]

Jale is NOT playing the victim.
Everything she does or everything she say's get's jumped on.
Helen was so vile to her last night. I thought Jale acted in a very classy way.
Why should she stoop down to their level ?.
Sometimes it's better to say nothing.
Helen is a nasty piece of work.

[kefln]

it's making her look weak and the more weak she looks the more they go on and on that makes me feel she playing victim
"Playing the Victim"

What does that mean?

To me that means that someone is playing up to the cameras and trying to make a situation look worse than it really is. To "Play the Victim" a person needs to seek attention. To seek reassurance where none is needed.

Has Jale tried to make the situation look worse? Has seen looked for reassurance where none was needed?

For the most part Jale has kept to herself. She hasn't made much of a display. You don't see her in the diary room looking for sympathy. For the most part she keeps to herself and contains her emotions. The biggest out break we saw was when she was trying to calm herself.

To "Play the Victim" you have to paint yourself into a corner where you can react to what others do to you. In yesterdays show Jale was sitting, quietly eating, and chatting. Helen's attack came from nowhere.

Jale's reaction was more of a "where the ***** did that come from"? Which is what I'd imagine most viewers thought as well.


I've said this a few times already, in other threads, Helens and Jales postions in the house couldn't be more different.

Helen is queen bee, lots of support, a free pass and obviously likes picking on people. She has done it to Christopher, Danielle and Jale.

While Jale is fairly isolated, no real connection, constant threat of being evicted and has rarely said anything bad about anyone.

We are about 10 days in and Helen has gone from name calling in private, to name calling in public. Yet there has been no confrontation to explain the escalation.

Helen and Pauline are more typical of "Playing", as she demands constant attention and seems to need someone to put down.

[LukeB]

"Playing the Victim"

What does that mean?

To me that means that someone is playing up to the cameras and trying to make a situation look worse than it really is. To "Play the Victim" a person needs to seek attention. To seek reassurance where none is needed.

Has Jale tried to make the situation look worse? Has seen looked for reassurance where none was needed?

For the most part Jale has kept to herself. She hasn't made much of a display. You don't see her in the diary room looking for sympathy. For the most part she keeps to herself and contains her emotions. The biggest out break we saw was when she was trying to calm herself.

To "Play the Victim" you have to paint yourself into a corner where you can react to what others do to you. In yesterdays show Jale was sitting, quietly eating, and chatting. Helen's attack came from nowhere.

Jale's reaction was more of a "where the ***** did that come from"? Which is what I'd imagine most viewers thought as well.


I've said this a few times already, in other threads, Helens and Jales postions in the house couldn't be more different.

Helen is queen bee, lots of support, a free pass and obviously likes picking on people. She has done it to Christopher, Danielle and Jale.

While Jale is fairly isolated, no real connection, constant threat of being evicted and has rarely said anything bad about anyone.

We are about 10 days in and Helen has gone from name calling in private, to name calling in public. Yet there has been no confrontation to explain the escalation.

Helen and Pauline are more typical of "Playing", as she demands constant attention and seems to need someone to put down.

if you look at her VT she comes across as strong and can stand up for herself, she was evicted 6 times for a reason! emma even described jale as nightmare tenant. at the end of the day 1 launch describing the day 2 housemates. now she acting all different. as i said was evicted 6 times for a reason and was described as a nightmare tenant

[Kizzy]

This meek jale is not what we were expecting, but I don't blame her helen and some others can be pretty ferocious .. I think she's being canny biding her time, she heard the cheers for herself and the boos for pauline.
I think the relationship between her and helen will improve once pauline has gone.

[LukeB]

This meek jale is not what we were expecting, but I don't blame her helen and some others can be pretty ferocious .. I think she's being canny biding her time, she heard the cheers for herself and the boos for pauline.
I think the relationship between her and helen will improve once pauline has gone.

Jale needs to man up and get Helen alone and sort things out!

[kefln]

if you look at her VT she comes across as strong and can stand up for herself, she was evicted 6 times for a reason! emma even described jale as nightmare tenant. at the end of the day 1 launch describing the day 2 housemates. now she acting all different. as i said was evicted 6 times for a reason and was described as a nightmare tenant
I'm sorry, but what has getting evicted got to do with "playing the victim" on TV?

If someone can be a little crazy, or irresponsible, if "real" life, that is no indication as to how they'd react in a pressurised environment when being set on by others.

And we have no real idea as to why she was evicted in the past. She could have been evicted 6 times for having loud parties and destroying the place. It could have happened when she was in her early 20's and still mad in the head. Who knows?

Everyone lies and bigs themselves up in their VTs. You don't get into BB by saying that you like washing dishes and have the occasional cuppa.

[kefln]

Jale needs to man up and get Helen alone and sort things out!
Or Helen needs to "man up" and try using that nasty tongue on someone that hasn't been isolated...but thats not going to happen is it...bullies only pick on the vulnerable...

[LukeB]

I'm sorry, but what has getting evicted got to do with "playing the victim" on TV?

If someone can be a little crazy, or irresponsible, if "real" life, that is no indication as to how they'd react in a pressurised environment when being set on by others.

And we have no real idea as to why she was evicted in the past. She could have been evicted 6 times for having loud parties and destroying the place. It could have happened when she was in her early 20's and still mad in the head. Who knows?

Everyone lies and bigs themselves up in their VTs. You don't get into BB by saying that you like washing dishes and have the occasional cuppa.

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying

[Tarryn]

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying

Why should she ?.
Let the bullies bury themselves even deeper.
They are showing themselves up.
If Jale said something they would just shout over her.
Look what Pauline was like ?.
I get that you don't like Jale & I'm not a big fan either but I just can't stand it when others try to make another person feel like trash.
Just accept people deal with situations in a different way.

[kefln]

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying
So as a confessed "Helen fan" you are more annoyed at Jale for not kicking off, then you are at Helen for being a bully?

That Jale is acting like a school girl for keeping cool, while Helen is making it all school yard bully tactics?

Surely the more mature person is the one that acts like an adult, while the child is the one that resorts to name calling and showing off?

Wouldn't the more mature person understand that there is a time and place? That kicking off can sometimes make things worse? While the more childish has no self awareness and therefore has no problem being nasty and cruel for no reason?

You argument makes no sense. You admit that there is bullying going on, that you are a Helen fan and that Helen is the cause, but you are annoyed at Jale for being the more mature individual.

[kefln]

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying

It really does sound to me like you are looking for reasons to dislike Jale. Just something to justify why Helen is being so offensive.

That if Jale was to sink to Helen's level, then it would be 50/50, rather than just Helen making a show of herself while Jale acts like the adult.

[jet]

Superb posts Kefln! :thumbs:

[LukeB]

It really does sound to me like you are looking for reasons to dislike Jale. Just something to justify why Helen is being so offensive.

That if Jale was to sink to Helen's level, then it would be 50/50, rather than just Helen making a show of herself while Jale acts like the adult.

no i'm not looking for reasons to dislike jale, i go with my instinct. and i don't justify helen's behaviour hence why this topic is called Disappointed we all have opinions on this but to me and others because there is a poll about this, jale needs to say something, there is a difference between horrible arguments and standing up for yourself. some adults do speak their mind when someone is being a dhead to them doesn't mean its immature. my point is, Jale to me is coming across 'playing victim' maybe she didn't plan this when she went it but she saw Pauline had a problem with her so took advantage of it and the same with helen. maybe if jale man up and have a friendly word with them then my opinion might change.

[Kizzy]

Jale needs to man up and get Helen alone and sort things out!

If she stood up to her as danielle did she MIGHT back off, but is it worth the hassle?
I think she's handling it pretty well really.

[LukeB]

If she stood up to her as danielle did she MIGHT back off, but is it worth the hassle?
I think she's handling it pretty well really.

yes it is worth the hassle. come on rachel rice didn't sit there and say nothing when alexandra was being vile to everyone.

[kefln]

no i'm not looking for reasons to dislike jale, i go with my instinct. and i don't justify helen's behaviour hence why this topic is called Disappointed we all have opinions on this but to me and others because there is a poll about this, jale needs to say something, there is a difference between horrible arguments and standing up for yourself. some adults do speak their mind when someone is being a dhead to them doesn't mean its immature. my point is, Jale to me is coming across 'playing victim' maybe she didn't plan this when she went it but she saw Pauline had a problem with her so took advantage of it and the same with helen. maybe if jale man up and have a friendly word with them then my opinion might change.

As a Helen fan I feel so disappointed with her by the way she has been acting towards Jale. i do feel its wrong . i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad.
First up, you called this thread "disappointed", because you are disappointed that Jale is making Helen look bad.

Your entire point is that Jale isn't kicking off and this makes her a bad person. But Jale would not be in this position if Helen hadn't put her there.

If Helen wasn't walking around the house calling Jale a Slug, then there would be no issue. If Jale was getting digs in, then it would just be two people arguing. But its not. Its a simple case of one person attacking another, for no reason.

So if you are disappointed in Helen, talk about Helen. However if you are really just looking for reasons to deflect Helen's behavior onto Jale...

[joeysteele]

Jale is NOT playing the victim.
Everything she does or everything she say's get's jumped on.
Helen was so vile to her last night. I thought Jale acted in a very classy way.
Why should she stoop down to their level ?.
Sometimes it's better to say nothing.
Helen is a nasty piece of work.

I was impressed too with the way Jale handled the situation. Well done to her.

[LukeB]

First up, you called this thread "disappointed", because you are disappointed that Jale is making Helen look bad.

Your entire point is that Jale isn't kicking off and this makes her a bad person. But Jale would not be in this position if Helen hadn't put her there.

If Helen wasn't walking around the house calling Jale a Slug, then there would be no issue. If Jale was getting digs in, then it would just be two people arguing. But its not. Its a simple case of one person attacking another, for no reason.

So if you are disappointed in Helen, talk about Helen. However if you are really just looking for reasons to deflect Helen's behavior onto Jale...

your blowing this out of context. this thread is about how disappointed in how Helen is behaving meaning i don't like what she is doing to jale even though I'm no fan. I had to mention the victim business because there are my views and i did a poll about it yesterday and it would look like i was a hypocrite.slug wasn't nice thats what got me to do this thread but big brother can edit things so we don't know the full facts. Helen does need to stop drinking as she said she is a bitch, but that doesn't define her behaviour. what i'm saying is helen needs to stop and jale needs to go up to helen,pauline and toya and speak how she feels like helen and danielle did and see what happens in a nice chat(that could lead to a argument)

[LukeB]

I was impressed too with the way Jale handled the situation. Well done to her.

the danielle and helen talk after the argument is also the way to deal with it

[LukeB]

First up, you called this thread "disappointed", because you are disappointed that Jale is making Helen look bad.

Your entire point is that Jale isn't kicking off and this makes her a bad person. But Jale would not be in this position if Helen hadn't put her there.

If Helen wasn't walking around the house calling Jale a Slug, then there would be no issue. If Jale was getting digs in, then it would just be two people arguing. But its not. Its a simple case of one person attacking another, for no reason.

So if you are disappointed in Helen, talk about Helen. However if you are really just looking for reasons to deflect Helen's behavior onto Jale...

yes i did say it's making helen look bad but i didn't mean the jale business, i mean the way she been towards, danielle,christopher and jale because its annoying when your favourite to win as ruined their chances because there not going to win now because of their horrible behaviour

[Kazanne]

if you look at her VT she comes across as strong and can stand up for herself, she was evicted 6 times for a reason! emma even described jale as nightmare tenant. at the end of the day 1 launch describing the day 2 housemates. now she acting all different. as i said was evicted 6 times for a reason and was described as a nightmare tenant

So being a 'nightmare' tenant somehow makes it ok to belittle and target her? being evicted several times could be for any number of reasons,it doesn't necessarily mean she is confrontational.How much of that VT is bravado anyway,like most of them

[Kizzy]

yes it is worth the hassle. come on rachel rice didn't sit there and say nothing when alexandra was being vile to everyone.

It's different when it's yourself in the firing line isn't it?

[kefln]

your blowing this out of context. this thread is about how disappointed in how Helen is behaving meaning i don't like what she is doing to jale even though I'm no fan. I had to mention the victim business because there are my views and i did a poll about it yesterday and it would look like i was a hypocrite.slug wasn't nice thats what got me to do this thread but big brother can edit things so we don't know the full facts. Helen does need to stop drinking as she said she is a bitch, but that doesn't define her behaviour. what i'm saying is helen needs to stop and jale needs to go up to helen,pauline and toya and speak how she feels like helen and danielle did and see what happens in a nice chat(that could lead to a argument)

If someone spends alot of their time b*tching, and picking, on other people, then yes, that defines their behaviour.

Jale is being the mature person. Its up to the adult acting like a child to "man up", not the other way around

[LukeB]

It's different when it's yourself in the firing line isn't it?

ive been bullied and i sorted the situation in a adult way

[Lostie!]

I don't think it's as simple as that for Jale to stand up for herself. I get the impression she's intimidated.

It's nice for a Helen fan to admit that she's wrong for how she's treating Jale, though. :)

[LukeB]

If someone spends alot of their time b*tching, and picking, on other people, then yes, that defines their behaviour.

Jale is being the mature person. Its up to the adult acting like a child to "man up", not the other way around

even jale sister says she is surprised she hasn't done anything! i got bullied when i was at school did i let them do it all the time? no i sorted it the mature way and since then i have not been bullied

[Kizzy]

ive been bullied and i sorted the situation in a adult way

Sorry to hear that, you can't compare it to being in BB though really, and it's early days, it could all be totally different tomorrow?

[LukeB]

So being a 'nightmare' tenant somehow makes it ok to belittle and target her? being evicted several times could be for any number of reasons,it doesn't necessarily mean she is confrontational.How much of that VT is bravado anyway,like most of them

no that doesn't make her a target because of being evicted 6 times. bullies go after the weak when jale is really a strong person even her sister said she is surpised she hasn't said anything. i was bullied because i looked weak but i sorted it out doing a mature thing and bullies has stopped bullying me

[Tarryn]

even jale sister says she is surprised she hasn't done anything! i got bullied when i was at school did i let them do it all the time? no i sorted it the mature way and since then i have not been bullied

Good for you but it's different in such a closed off environment. If it all kicks off Jale has no place to go. She knows what total twats the bullies are looking like. Let them show themselves up for a bit longer.

[LukeB]

Sorry to hear that, you can't compare it to being in BB though really, and it's early days, it could all be totally different tomorrow?

most of the hm forget there camera's there, bb f's with your brain. if i was on big brother i would't let helen and pauline and toya speak to me like that i would go one by one and ask what there issue is and sort things out and if they be nasty again then i have to protect myself and not make me look weak to the public because i hate symphony

[LukeB]

Good for you but it's different in such a closed off environment. If it all kicks off Jale has no place to go. She knows what total twats the bullies are looking like. Let them show themselves up for a bit longer.

no she needs to sort this out or the public will still be annoyed that bullying is still taken place. more bullying more complaints

[Tarryn]

no she needs to sort this out or the public will still be annoyed that bullying is still taken place. more bullying more complaints

Why should SHE sort it out ?!.
THEY started it.
It's not her fault. She can't take responsibility for other people's actions.
You are just impossible. Blame the victim.

[Absorption]

I think most of Kefln's posts are on the money.

I suspect that whatever Jale did in response to Helen (or Pauline, for that matter) would be deliberately misconstrued by certain HMs and used as 'proof' of whatever their latest ill-conceived paranoid theory may be. Even initially promising free-thinkers like Toya seem to have fallen foul of the stupidity-drugged oxygen circulating in the house currently.

By the end of last night's show, I felt vaguely nauseated by the actions of Helen (someone who I'd never heard of before BB and, once I did a bit of googling, I thought maybe deserved a break...she seemed okay at the beginning!).

Bullying is a word that gets thrown around far too easily but by previous BB standards Helen is getting a bit too close to the line for my liking.

Of course, we'll all be bored when it's resolved but at the moment my moral compass is twitching and my conscience doesn't like it!

[kefln]

no that doesn't make her a target because of being evicted 6 times. bullies go after the weak when jale is really a strong person even her sister said she is surpised she hasn't said anything.
We have no idea why she was evicted, its not relevant in this situation.

Her sister has never seen her on national TV before...it effects people.

i was bullied because i looked weak but i sorted it out doing a mature thing and bullies has stopped bullying me
Sorry to hear that, but so was I, and so were a lot of people.

And the mature thing, is often the hardest thing. In this case, not sinking to Helens level.

Also most aren't bullied on national television, while isolated, with no where to go, knowing that their head is on the block every week, while their bully is safe as can be.

[LukeB]

Why should SHE sort it out ?!.
THEY started it.
It's not her fault. She can't take responsibility for other people's actions.
You are just impossible. Blame the victim.

i'm not blaming the 'victim' bullies only go for the ones who are weak and let it happen

[LukeB]

We have no idea why she was evicted, its not relevant in this situation.

Her sister has never seen her on national TV before...it effects people.


Sorry to hear that, but so was I, and so were a lot of people.

And the mature thing, is often the hardest thing. In this case, not sinking to Helens level.

Also most aren't bullied on national television, while isolated, with no where to go, knowing that their head is on the block every week, while their bully is safe as can be.

standing up for yourself doesn't mean you have to be vile back, it can be anything but she seriously does need to speak to helen and pauline to show them she isn't a weak person who takes don't take rubbish in a mature way, pauline it might be difficult with because she never lets anyone speak but if Danielle can speak to Helen and Danielle was being a adult making up, im sure Jale should do the same see where it gets her. because its hard to watch, people say jale should keep it up and let them carry on but thats awful to watch, we don't need to watch bully brother , its big brother and jale needs to have a word,hopefully it will happen this week

[RomGurl]

i'm not blaming the 'victim' bullies only go for the ones who are weak and let it happen

I think you are a bit deluded - its not about being weak and letting it happen. Being a nice normal person doesn't stop the bullies from picking on you. And further to that when there is a pack mentality and the bully has a few supporters it's so much harder to even begin to think about "fighting back".

Helen needs to grow up and stop having her head so far up her own a**e that she thinks she has the right to intimidate and torment others

[LukeB]

I think you are a bit deluded - its not about being weak and letting it happen. Being a nice normal person doesn't stop the bullies from picking on you. And further to that when there is a pack mentality and the bully has a few supporters it's so much harder to even begin to think about "fighting back".

Helen needs to grow up and stop having her head so far up her own a**e that she thinks she has the right to intimidate and torment others

ok then we will watch jale get bullied all the time when jale can easily have a word with jale like Christopher and Danielle did and there beef is over.

[fitz2k2]

As a Helen fan I feel so disappointed with her by the way she has been acting towards Jale. i do feel its wrong . i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad. i do feel Jale is acting Victim still though as there is no way she is that type of person who lets anyone treat her like rubbish.Jale is 33 and should know everyone should stand up themselfs. yes she is up for eviction every week but that didn't stop Danielle arguing with Helen and it didn't stop Luisa on her cbb series. if only we can send Helen messages because i'm gutted she lost her chance of winning big brother and i'm gutted she hasn't changed her reputation as she wanted, i think it made it worst for her. She needs to step back otherwise i would like her pass revoked and given to someone nicer in the house who is Winston even though he in the final anyway

LOL you were a Helen fan

[kefln]

standing up for yourself doesn't mean you have to be vile back, it can be anything but she seriously does need to speak to helen and pauline to show them she isn't a weak person who takes don't take rubbish in a mature way, pauline it might be difficult with because she never lets anyone speak but if Danielle can speak to Helen and Danielle was being a adult making up, im sure Jale should do the same see where it gets her. because its hard to watch, people say jale should keep it up and let them carry on but thats awful to watch, we don't need to watch bully brother , its big brother and jale needs to have a word,hopefully it will happen this week
Do you know the best way not to watch "bully brother"?

Its not to have bullies.

Again, you seem much more interested in Jale not reacting, than Helen's actions. If you don't like Bullies, and you don't want to watch Bullies, then don't look for reasons to make Helen look better.

And don't blame the victim of such bulling for not lashing out.

[kefln]

ok then we will watch jale get bullied all the time when jale can easily have a word with jale like Christopher and Danielle did and there beef is over.
Unless you have a crystal ball, there is no way how to predict how this will work itself out. Next week the game could completely change.

If Pauline goes and there is another shock twist, then we could have a whole different scenario in the house.

And again, if you don't like bullies, stop supporting Helen. If she isn't sticking it to Danielle, or Jale, she's b*tching about Christoper or Chris. Every week she'll pick on the most isolated person, because thats how bullies work.

[LukeB]

Do you know the best way not to watch "bully brother"?

Its not to have bullies.

Again, you seem much more interested in Jale not reacting, than Helen's actions. If you don't like Bullies, and you don't want to watch Bullies, then don't look for reasons to make Helen look better.

And don't blame the victim of such bulling for not lashing out.

well :conf: big brother didn't know who would be bullies did they? i'm not looking for reasons to make Helen look better because that would be impossible because she isn't. even on the poll over 50 people voted yes she should do something and 9 said no. i'm glad jale has not walked out and jale isn't on my hate list. i'm just saying in life bullies only carry on when the victim there bullying on is weak and doesn't do anything to stop because they know they can do it all the time but when someone stands up for themself it can be in a mature way it stops. look at Danielle and Helen, helen was being vile by her comments and they had a word and is there any beef between them to no not anymore. jale needs to have a sit down with helen and discuss the situation. she needs to before it gets worst!

[LukeB]

Unless you have a crystal ball, there is no way how to predict how this will work itself out. Next week the game could completely change.

If Pauline goes and there is another shock twist, then we could have a whole different scenario in the house.

And again, if you don't like bullies, stop supporting Helen. If she isn't sticking it to Danielle, or Jale, she's b*tching about Christoper or Chris. Every week she'll pick on the most isolated person, because thats how bullies work.

and big brother needs to have a word with helen also

[kefln]

well :conf: big brother didn't know who would be bullies did they? i'm not looking for reasons to make Helen look better because that would be impossible because she isn't.

i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad.

:shrug:

even on the poll over 50 people voted yes she should do something and 9 said no. i'm glad jale has not walked out and jale isn't on my hate list. i'm just saying in life bullies only carry on when the victim there bullying on is weak and doesn't do anything to stop because they know they can do it all the time but when someone stands up for themself it can be in a mature way it stops. look at Danielle and Helen, helen was being vile by her comments and they had a word and is there any beef between them to no not anymore. jale needs to have a sit down with helen and discuss the situation. she needs to before it gets worst!
You mean that Helen isn't attacking Danielle at the moment...because she tends to have "pick on person of the day".

For all we know Jale is slowly working her way up to bursting point. Or maybe she honestly doesn't give a sh*t what the silly bint is saying.

All we really know is that Helen is a bully and a nasty piece of work. While Jale is a fairly mature and composed individual.

So why criticise the "nice" one?

[kefln]

and big brother needs to have a word with helen also
She had something like 14, or 15, words with BB on her first week. And look how that slowed her down...

[LukeB]

:shrug:


You mean that Helen isn't attacking Danielle at the moment...because she tends to have "pick on person of the day".

For all we know Jale is slowly working her way up to bursting point. Or maybe she honestly doesn't give a sh*t what the silly bint is saying.

All we really know is that Helen is a bully and a nasty piece of work. While Jale is a fairly mature and composed individual.

So why criticise the "nice" one?

because no one wants to see bullying its horrible, i'm not criticising her just saying Jale needs to sort it and Big Brother to put this bulllying gate behind and let them party. i even say Winston should get the final pass because he is the nicest person there.

[LukeB]

She had something like 14, or 15, words with BB on her first week. And look how that slowed her down...

that could be made up otherwise she would of been ejected by now:joker:

[armand.kay]

it's making her look weak and the more weak she looks the more they go on and on that makes me feel she playing victim

This.

[kefln]

because no one wants to see bullying its horrible, i'm not criticising her just saying Jale needs to sort it and Big Brother to put this bulllying gate behind and let them party. i even say Winston should get the final pass because he is the nicest person there.
You mean you want Jale to sort it your way, not hers.

Jale is dealing with it, you just don't like how its being done.

[LukeB]

You mean you want Jale to sort it your way, not hers.

Jale is dealing with it, you just don't like how its being done.

no i like how jale is not stepping down to helens and pauline level just saying she needs to have a word then i will think again about thinking she playing a game

[kefln]

no i like how jale is not stepping down to helens and pauline level just saying she needs to have a word then i will think again about thinking she playing a game

You do remember that Jale is the only person that has tried to tackle Pauline? And how did that work out?

She was very polite, never raised her voice, but Pauline shouted over her and made a complete show of the conversation by storming into bedroom and dragging the house in to it.

Now you are demanding that Jale try to do the same with Helen? That she needs to man up and tackle her face to face?

She already tried to deal with the situation like that. It didn't work. Now she is trying it another way, and you are criticising her for it.

[LukeB]

You do remember that Jale is the only person that has tried to tackle Pauline? And how did that work out?

She was very polite, never raised her voice, but Pauline shouted over her and made a complete show of the conversation by storming into bedroom and dragging the house in to it.

Now you are demanding that Jale try to do the same with Helen? That she needs to man up and tackle her face to face?

She already tried to deal with the situation like that. It didn't work. Now she is trying it another way, and you are criticising her for it.

thats what i said? she as no chance with pauline because pauline wont let anyone talk but Helen isn't pauline now is she? helen listened to Danielle and Christopher didn't she?

[kefln]

thats what i said? she as no chance with pauline because pauline wont let anyone talk but Helen isn't pauline now is she? helen listened to Danielle and Christopher didn't she?
Helen admitted to Toya and to BB that she wasn't completely happy with some of the things that she had said to Danielle. Hence the conversation.

Helen is showing no signs of self awareness over Jale, in fact shes getting worse.

What does it say about Helen, if the person that was willing to take on Pauline, isn't willing to speak to her? Least not yet anyway.


helen listened to Danielle and Christopher didn't she?

i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad.

These are the most worrying parts of your argument. You keep insisting that the onus is on Helen's victims to sort things out. That Helen needs to be spoken too, in order for her to back off.

[LukeB]

Helen admitted to Toya and to BB that she wasn't completely happy with some of the things that she had said to Danielle. Hence the conversation.

Helen is showing no signs of self awareness over Jale, in fact shes getting worse.

What does it say about Helen, if the person that was willing to take on Pauline, isn't willing to speak to her? Least not yet anyway.






These are the most worrying parts of your argument. You keep insisting that the onus is on Helen's victims to sort things out. That Helen needs to be spoken too, in order for her to back off.


she does need to back off though..

[Tarryn]

i'm not blaming the 'victim' bullies only go for the ones who are weak and let it happen

That's a nasty thing to say.
Not all victims of bullies are weak & let it happen.
I guess you are the type of person who just watches & get's off on it.

[LukeB]

That's a nasty thing to say.
Not all victims of bullies are weak & let it happen.
I guess you are the type of person who just watches & get's off on it.

how is it nasty? its life thats how bullies work, they don't go for those who are strong they go for the weak because it makes them feel big.

[Tarryn]

how is it nasty? its life thats how bullies work, they don't go for those who are strong they go for the weak because it makes them feel big.

You don't seem to have any sympathy for Jale. Instead you seem to think it's her responsibility to sort it out.
If I were jale I would steer clear of such vile people.
No matter what she say's they will twist it. It's what bullies do. They need the control.
Look what happened with Pauline.

[LukeB]

You don't seem to have any sympathy for Jale. Instead you seem to think it's her responsibility to sort it out.
If I were jale I would steer clear of such vile people.
No matter what she say's they will twist it. It's what bullies do. They need the control.
Look what happened with Pauline.

because that is what she wants. sympathy wins look at the bore Luke A? i do feel its bad what other housemates are doing to jale i said that loads. its helen responsibility if she wants to stop. and its jale responsibility to sort it out with helen, it's not hard to go up to a person and go oh hi can we have a talk somewhere.

[Tarryn]

because that is what she wants. sympathy wins look at the bore Luke A? i do feel its bad what other housemates are doing to jale i said that loads. its helen responsibility if she wants to stop. and its jale responsibility to sort it out with helen, it's not hard to go up to a person and go oh hi can we have a talk somewhere.

In that house it is.
She say's good morning to Toya & gets ignored, tries to reason with Pauline then Pauline turns it around & makes Jale look like the problem. She can't win.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe after everything Jale just does not give a sh*t anymore & can't stand to be around them ?.

[LukeB]

In that house it is.
She say's good morning to Toya & gets ignored, tries to reason with Pauline then Pauline turns it around & makes Jale look like the problem. She can't win.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe after everything Jale just does not give a sh*t anymore & can't stand to be around them ?.

well to me she playing victim so :spin:

[Tarryn]

well to me she playing victim so :spin:

We are NEVER going to agree on this subject :bawling:

[LukeB]

We are NEVER going to agree on this subject :bawling:

http://38.media.tumblr.com/640e8ca47165b784c885f8a3433516ef/tumblr_n7890nW0AR1s93dhso6_250.gif nope but anything can change in the future.

[thediaryroomchair]

Jale is being unfairly treated and I feel Big Brother needs to give her a warning for her behaviour. It is reminiscent of a playground where she is pushing her out and alienating her from the rest of the group.

[LukeB]

Jale is being unfairly treated and I feel Big Brother needs to give her a warning for her behaviour. It is reminiscent of a playground where she is pushing her out and alienating her from the rest of the group.

they have had a word with Helen so lets hope it changes.

[Tarryn]

they have had a word with Helen so lets hope it changes.

How many strikes before they take Helen's pass to the final away ?.
She must of had about 90 by now..................strikes not men.

[LukeB]

How many strikes before they take Helen's pass to the final away ?.
She must of had about 90 by now..................strikes not men.

don't know haha

[kefln]

because that is what she wants.


and its jale responsibility to sort it out with helen
And thats the problem right there. You've made up your mind that you know what Jale is thinking, with no evidence, or any comment from the girl herself.

Along with that you keep insisting that this is Jales problem, not Helens.

There is no debate here. Its just down to you not liking Jale and passing Helen's bad behaviour off on her. Making it all about Jale not doing enough, or BB not doing enough.

You just don't like Jale, therefore Jale is wrong in your opinion.

If you disagree please read:
because that is what she wants.
Two can play at "mind reader" :joker: