Is the hate heartless / hypocritical / misogynistic?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Helen was a prostitute, yes. But she had her reasons. It was most likely a last resort for money and we are definitely not in a position to judge. I would bet my life that the majority of people hating on Hel would say the exact same thing if it didn't concern her. So why are people applying a different set of standards to her and spewing all this venom? Surely that's bit hypocritical?

To those who aren't being hypocrites and would apply the same standards to all prostitutes, Helen's profession is in the past and she's no longer selling herself. Can a person not regret their actions and move on in their lives? Are you really saying she can never have any moral authority ever again because of something she did at one point of her life? That's incredibly heartless. How many mistakes have you exactly made? What if I never let you forget that one time you did something you so badly wish never happened? Would you have any of it? No. So in that sense you're just as guilty of hypocrisy too. In the end of the day, Helen was just offering constructive advice based on her own experience. She doesn't want Kimberley to commit the same mistakes she did and suffer the same kind of backlash, which is totally understandable. Surely Helen bashers really need to start looking for the good in people instead of solely dwelling on the bad.

I'm not even done there, there's a hint of misogyny with all this hate too. Wayne Rooney was simply another client, it was HIS decision to hire out Helen for her services and it shouldn't be her concern whether he's married or not. In the end of the day it was Wayne who deceived the ones he was close to, not Helen. But typical of the woman getting all the blame eh? How many threads were made in the World Cup section calling Rooney a homewrecker before he scored that goal yesterday? None. Was there ever any more proof not needed? Not forgetting to mention exactly how disgustingly sexist the words 'slag' and '*****' are that people seem to be bandying about on the site. Truly sickening to see this kind of hate on here.

So please, to those who keep bringing up Helen's personal life. Just think about the kind of things you are saying.

[InOne]

I don't dislike Helen because she was a prostitute I dislike her because she's a twat. Let's not go pretending she was a hooker with a heart either.

[Josy]

Helen is horrible in the house, that's why most people dislike her, Helen is the problem not the viewers.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The thread is aimed at those bringing up her past. If you're not doing that then it doesn't apply to you.

[Niamh.]

She should be allowed to move on with her life sure but should she be allowed stand on a moral platform and judge other women when she's done alot worse? No I don't think so.

[Josy]

The thread is aimed at those bringing up her past. If you're not doing that then it doesn't apply to you.

Some people always bring up housemates past and use it to judge them it's nothing new..and also a past as colourful as that will always be held against someone.

[flamingGalah!]

No. She is a c ** t & she deserves all the hate she gets & that includes dragging up her disgusting past... :hmph:

[Marsh.]

When she's bringing up and insulting the morals of a woman standing in a shower with clothes on without even touching the male housemate stood a metre away then she's asking for her life to be brought into it.

The same with Danielle and her entirely fake morals and religious attitude. We know it's bull.

[Jack_]

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

Also if it emerged that someone like Jale or Kimberly had been a prostitute, I can almost guarantee those terms wouldn't be used as much as they are for Helen, it's just because it's her that they are. And just because she's acting like a **** in the house it doesn't give people the right to drag up totally irrelevant issues and use misogynistic terminology. Criticise her present actions, not her past.

[Niamh.]

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

I think that's less about misogyny and more about self defense, more than likely the wife loves her husband so it's harder to hate him then the person who slept with him and alot of times they end up staying together, it's easier to direct that anger at the person who was on the outside not the person who you were married to.

[Drew.]

People always bring up housemates pasts whether its in a negative or positive way, her past just happens to be full of negatives.

[Niamh.]

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

Also if it emerged that someone like Jale or Kimberly had been a prostitute, I can almost guarantee those terms wouldn't be used as much as they are for Helen, it's just because it's her that they are. And just because she's acting like a **** in the house it doesn't give people the right to drag up totally irrelevant issues and use misogynistic terminology. Criticise her present actions, not her past.

I don't agree with calling her a slag etc but I can understand why her past is being brought up when she's trying to act like the beacon of morality and girl power over this shower business :shrug:

[Jack_]

I think that's less about misogyny and more about self defense, more than likely the wife loves her husband so it's harder to hate him then the person who slept with him and alot of times they end up staying together, it's easier to direct that anger at the person who was on the outside not the person who you were married to.

The misogyny comment was more directed at blaming Helen in this instance rather than Wayne which I do think is misogynistic, but it annoys me when in those situations the person outside of the relationship is blamed more. I totally see what you're saying and get why people may end up feeling that way, but at the end of the day the partner is the one in the relationship, the onus is on them not to cheat. Yes it's sh*tty to sleep with someone in a relationship but if you're not in a relationship yourself and someone's offering...that's not really your problem.

[Jack_]

I don't agree with calling her a slag etc but I can understand why her past is being brought up when she's trying to act like the beacon of morality and girl power over this shower business :shrug:

But I don't see much wrong with her past though? People's obsessive criticism of prostitutes is just weird to me. Number one - if your partner cheats on you with one that's their problem, not the prostitutes. Number two - if you (not you, I mean in general lol) don't wish to be involved in the world of prostitution then fair enough, but if so...why do you care whether other people use them or become them? Number three - some prostitutes are actually forced into that kind of life either physically or because they don't have many other legitimate means of making a living for themselves, to criticise them for that when we should be criticising the social conditions that lead them there is really just saddening IMO.

The only thing I can see wrong about her past is the fact that (from what I understand anyway) she sold the story to the papers, but that still doesn't mean she was in the wrong for the Wayne Rooney incident itself. She was just doing her job.

I'm not saying she's the nicest person in the world from her behaviour inside the house or that she was in the right for the shower incident because she wasn't, and actually she was being quite sexist herself - but I don't really see how the fact that she used to be a prostitute is relevant to anything during her time in the house. The only reason it's being brought up is to throw a few unnecessary (and misogynistic because of their nature) digs at her. Housemate's pasts aren't important, people should judge them on their actions in the house alone.

[JeanP!]

Helen Queen of England

[Niamh.]

The misogyny comment was more directed at blaming Helen in this instance rather than Wayne which I do think is misogynistic, but it annoys me when in those situations the person outside of the relationship is blamed more. I totally see what you're saying and get why people may end up feeling that way, but at the end of the day the partner is the one in the relationship, the onus is on them not to cheat. Yes it's sh*tty to sleep with someone in a relationship but if you're not in a relationship yourself and someone's offering...that's not really your problem.

Well, I don't think people are not saying Wayne was at fault or more at fault, it's just that, well he's not a HM and we're discussing Helen the HM :laugh: and of course I agree that the cheater is much much worse, I think in alot of high profile cases like this one and David beckham/Rebecca Lois(?) case for example they got a worse time of it I think because, they basically used what should have been something to be ashamed of as a way to become famous and earn some cash

[Niamh.]

But I don't see much wrong with her past though? People's obsessive criticism of prostitutes is just weird to me. Number one - if your partner cheats on you with one that's their problem, not the prostitutes. Number two - if you (not you, I mean in general lol) don't wish to be involved in the world of prostitution then fair enough, but if so...why do you care whether other people use them or become them? Number three - some prostitutes are actually forced into that kind of life either physically or because they don't have many other legitimate means of making a living for themselves, to criticise them for that when we should be criticising the social conditions that lead them there is really just saddening IMO.

The only thing I can see wrong about her past is the fact that (from what I understand anyway) she sold the story to the papers, but that still doesn't mean she was in the wrong for the Wayne Rooney incident itself. She was just doing her job.

I'm not saying she's the nicest person in the world from her behaviour inside the house or that she was in the right for the shower incident because she wasn't, and actually she was being quite sexist herself - but I don't really see how the fact that she used to be a prostitute is relevant to anything during her time in the house. The only reason it's being brought up is to throw a few unnecessary (and misogynistic because of their nature) digs at her. Housemate's pasts aren't important, people should judge them on their actions in the house alone.

I feel like I've already given my opinion on these points in the girl code thread, so I'm just going to repost my reply :tongue:

I would never call another woman a slag, I despise that word, especially coming from another woman, that's my girl code :tongue:

The point I'm making here is (and this nothing to do with what I think about prostitution) I just think, if you're in that job, you go into it knowing that probably a large chunk of your clients will be married and will be cheating on their partners, fair enough that's their issue not yours but if in your normal life you're of the opinion that girls should have some sort of a code and not even shower clothed with men who are attached(and I use that term loosely here since Winston barely even knows Tamara) how can you not say it's rich or hypocritical? It's either the attached persons fault or it's not, whether you're being paid or not, do you understand what I'm trying to say? (I'm not trying to be patronizing here, I just don't know If I'm explaining myself very well :laugh: )

To me it'd be like a vegetarian preaching about how meat is murder and making people feel bad for eating meat but then working in an abattoir but being excused for that cos you get paid for it :hehe:

[flamingGalah!]

Helen is the hypocrite not us. She ranted to Kimberly that her going into the same shower cubicle was being disrespectful towards Tamara (who isn't even in a relationship with Winston & knew him for ONE week!) when Helen shows NO respect towards anyone else at all in the house, let alone showing anyone any respect outside of the house! She didn't show much respect for Coleen Rooney when she slept with Wayne & then sold her story to a tabloid & the woman clearly has zero self respect for being a prostitute in the first place... :nono:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

The thread is aimed at those bringing up her past. If you're not doing that then it doesn't apply to you.

Oh, then I cant really say anything other than all I know is she had a threesome with a married father.

However she is a hypocrite for lecturing Kimberly about the whole girl code thing lol.

[Bluerang1]

I don't support Helen's past in any way but your last paragraph is something I consider but should consider even more. Rooney is just as much to blame.

Helen is a great housemate though. Not the best person maybe but brilliant housemate which is all that counts.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf Helen was always gonna hurt herself with people last night in particular, I do think though that the people wanting her pass revoked pretending that she's not entertaining (because let's face it not many of the others are) and attacking her for any argument even though she can have some valid points in them (like Kimberly and Winston going into that shower together they definitely wanted some attention in the house and from the public) but people will never admit to that because all they seem to think about is that Helen used to be a Prostitute because a lot of people don't even mention the Wayne Rooney affair.

[Mystic Mock]

Helen is the hypocrite not us. She ranted to Kimberly that her going into the same shower cubicle was being disrespectful towards Tamara (who isn't even in a relationship with Winston & knew him for ONE week!) when Helen shows NO respect towards anyone else at all in the house, let alone showing anyone any respect outside of the house! She didn't show much respect for Coleen Rooney when she slept with Wayne & then sold her story to a tabloid & the woman clearly has zero self respect for being a prostitute in the first place... :nono:

Well she has people that like her in there so the 45 minute highlights must be doing something wrong with their editing on that front.

[Niamh.]

Oh and I'd like to add, the only reason Helen actually got in Big Brother is because of what she's known for so it served her well in that regard but now we're not allowed talk about that?

[Mystic Mock]

Oh and I'd like to add, the only reason Helen actually got in Big Brother is because of what she's known for so it served her well in that regard but now we're not allowed talk about that?

Tbf I think people should be allowed to talk about what they want, but some people didn't even give her a chance on here because of what she used to do.

[Niamh.]

Tbf I think people should be allowed to talk about what they want, but some people didn't even give her a chance on here because of what she used to do.

People liked her on the first night I think, it didn't take her very long to show what she was really like though tbf, day 2 when the new HMs came in was when she started her tirade against Jale

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah a lot of people liked Helen when she came across nice and dull, it's the BB public written all over isn't it?

[armand.kay]

I don't dislike her but I bring up her past because:
1) she takes a moral high ground and has gotten on kim's back about a shower so I use it to highlight her hypocrisy.
2) shes made a huge deal about it by selling her story and in her VT instead of talking about her personality she spoke about Rooney so she obviously doesn't want to move past it.

[Niamh.]

Yeah a lot of people liked Helen when she came across nice and dull, it's the BB public written all over isn't it?

She wasn't dull the first night :conf: Are you saying that the only way to not be dull is by buying rude and argumentative?

[Mystic Mock]

She wasn't dull the first night :conf: Are you saying that the only way to not be dull is by buying rude and argumentative?

No but come on she didn't do that much on the first night and that's when she was at her most popular.:laugh3:

I can't with the public this year, a Housemate becomes entertaining or does something interesting and they get abuse, how would people handle BB6 if it was on air today? Is it too many personalities for people?:laugh3:

[Pete.]

What even is entertainment http://i.imgur.com/ztBTzbY.jpg

[daniel-lewis-1985]

She wasn't dull the first night :conf: Are you saying that the only way to not be dull is by buying rude and argumentative?

I thought she came across very dull and boring on the first night. I think I even made a comment saying there was nothing to her.

How wrong I was lol.

[flamingGalah!]

Well she has people that like her in there so the 45 minute highlights must be doing something wrong with their editing on that front.

But those that like her seem to be almost as bad as her :joker:

[GiRTh]

I think her past is directly relevant to the person we see in the house.

[armand.kay]

What even is entertainment http://i.imgur.com/ztBTzbY.jpg

its an unexplained enigma http://i.imgur.com/ztBTzbY.jpg

[Kazanne]

Some people always bring up housemates past and use it to judge them it's nothing new..and also a past as colourful as that will always be held against someone.

Yes, Josy Jim Davidson being a prime example,remember all the daft digs we got about him,some of which weren't even true,lol

[Kazanne]

But those that like her seem to be almost as bad as her :joker:

Birds of a feather ,flock together,Flaming:wavey:

[Me. I Am Salman]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6959838&postcount=1 :smug:

stop talking about her past.

[jet]

It's not Helen the prostitute I don't like, it's Helen the person.

[flamingGalah!]

Yes, Josy Jim Davidson being a prime example,remember all the daft digs we got about him,some of which weren't even true,lol

Indeed, which just shows the hypocrisy on here as those saying we shouldn't bring up Helen's past were very quick to constantly bring up Jim's... :whistle:

[flamingGalah!]

Birds of a feather ,flock together,Flaming:wavey:

They do :joker:

[jet]

Yes, Josy Jim Davidson being a prime example,remember all the daft digs we got about him,some of which weren't even true,lol

They were all true :fist: :laugh:

[Ellen]

Not interested in her past, she did what she did for her own reasons. She has moved on. I dont think she is a bad person in general just sometimes lets her mouth run away with her without thinking which shows the negative side of her.

[Ammi]

Helen was a prostitute, yes. But she had her reasons. It was most likely a last resort for money and we are definitely not in a position to judge. I would bet my life that the majority of people hating on Hel would say the exact same thing if it didn't concern her. So why are people applying a different set of standards to her and spewing all this venom? Surely that's bit hypocritical?

To those who aren't being hypocrites and would apply the same standards to all prostitutes, Helen's profession is in the past and she's no longer selling herself. Can a person not regret their actions and move on in their lives? Are you really saying she can never have any moral authority ever again because of something she did at one point of her life? That's incredibly heartless. How many mistakes have you exactly made? What if I never let you forget that one time you did something you so badly wish never happened? Would you have any of it? No. So in that sense you're just as guilty of hypocrisy too. In the end of the day, Helen was just offering constructive advice based on her own experience. She doesn't want Kimberley to commit the same mistakes she did and suffer the same kind of backlash, which is totally understandable. Surely Helen bashers really need to start looking for the good in people instead of solely dwelling on the bad.

I'm not done even there, there's a hint of misogyny with all this hate too. Wayne Rooney was simply another client, it was HIS decision to hire out Helen for her services and it shouldn't be her concern whether he's married or not. In the end of the day it was Wayne who deceived the ones he was close to, not Helen. But typical of the woman getting all the blame eh? How many threads were made in the World Cup section calling Rooney a homewrecker before he scored that goal yesterday? None. Was there ever any more proof not needed? Not forgetting to mention exactly how disgustingly sexist the words 'slag' and '*****' are that people seem to be bandying about on the site. Truly sickening to see this kind of hate on here.

So please, to those who keep bringing up Helen's personal life. Just think about the kind of things you are saying.




..I have been quite conflicted about this myself and maybe it didn’t seem relevant to me also because I don’t tend to read anything we might be told about housemates before BB starts if any of them are known to the public and I actually didn’t know who Helen was until I saw posts referring to what she did for a living after BB started...anyway the thing that’s conflicted me quite a bit is the ‘kiss and tell’ part of it rather than what she did because you’re right he was the one who betrayed but to me I would think that it being made public would maybe be just as hurtful and damaging to Colleen than the actual ‘act’....so she was an equal part from view..?..I’ve just watched the vid of her interview on This Morning though and it’s the first time I’ve seen it and listening to her, I think it’s something that we’ve all seen so many times with the ‘gutter media’.....’we’re going to print it anyway and you won’t have any say in the light we portray you so you might as well talk to us and make some money for your son and yourself..’...and she’s a single mother who has obviously had bad times/money worries etc and a life that has led her to what she did for a living so I think that for me, it doesn’t really surprise me that she did ’break the code’ for this and did what she’s been forced to do and that’s look out for herself..?...I think the real ‘low’ here is the gutter press who are the ones that are desperate to get these stories and manipulate people to do that ..they’re the ones that I would call disgusting and it really does make me see Helen in a different way...anyway I am still judging her from her time in the house and I still think she’s not showing her character very well atm and am not exactly a fan but maybe we'll see a ‘softer’ side as time goes on...although you probably just want the drama Salman..:laugh:...

[Me. I Am Salman]

there are a lot of valid points there

[Cal.]

there are a lot of valid points there

That you didn't read:hehe:

[Marsh.]

Yeah a lot of people liked Helen when she came across nice and dull, it's the BB public written all over isn't it?

Not really. They just didn't have anything against her.

[Me. I Am Salman]

That you didn't read:hehe:

erm excuse me yes i did

[Marsh.]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6959838&postcount=1 :smug:

stop talking about her past.

She willingly put herself on TV and is now discussing her past.

It's fair game for viewer's to discuss.

If she wants to move on then she should go home.

[Me. I Am Salman]

doesn't make it any less heartless/hypocritical/misogynistic :hehe:

[Cal.]

She willingly put herself on TV and is now discussing her past.

It's fair game for viewer's to discuss.

If she wants to move on then she should go home.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5zh9uPWOo1qd332ho3_250.gif

[Josy]

Salman I had to edit the thread title, you can change it if you like but don't put those 3 words together with the / in between without any spaces.

It's been stretching the forum sidebar all day.

[Marsh.]

doesn't make it any less heartless/hypocritical/misogynistic :hehe:

In your bizarre opinion maybe.

[Amy Jade]

Well if she is going on telly a looking down her nose at another girl she is going to get called out. It may be her past but she was still a prostitute so who is she to judge another persons morals.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Indeed, which just shows the hypocrisy on here as those saying we shouldn't bring up Helen's past were very quick to constantly bring up Jim's... :whistle:

Did you read the OP? I was able to justify Helen's past. Can you? Jim's prolonged history of thuggery/homophobia/domestic violence/racism is far, far, far worse than anything Helen has done and therefore far more difficult to forget. Especially as he's shown no signs of changing, calling homosexual presenters on TV perverts as recent as late 2012. Are you suggesting prostitution is on par with that?

clapback :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Salman I had to edit the thread title, you can change it if you like but don't put those 3 words together with the / in between without any spaces.

It's been stretching the forum sidebar all day.

oh soz :joker:

[Vanessa]

I think she's a great housemate and i'm glad she'll be there until the final. The House would be so boring without her.

[Josy]

oh soz :joker:

:fist:

I have been trying to find the reason for hours

[Me. I Am Salman]

I think she's a great housemate and i'm glad she'll be there until the final. The House would be so boring without her.

I agree Vanessa.

[Vanessa]

I agree Vanessa.

I just find her very interesting.

[Marsh.]

Did you read the OP? I was able to justify Helen's past. Can you? Jim's prolonged history of thuggery/homophobia/domestic violence/racism is far, far, far worse than anything Helen has done and therefore far more difficult to forget. Especially as he's shown no signs of changing, calling homosexual presenters on TV perverts as recent as late 2012. Are you suggesting prostitution is on par with that?

clapback :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

And as recent as 2012 Helen was raking in the money talking about her celeb clients, which can't be nice for their families. Yet here she is on BB taking the moral high ground over a woman who had a shower with clothes on to wipe horse sh*t off her.

[flamingGalah!]

Did you read the OP? I was able to justify Helen's past. Can you? Jim's prolonged history of thuggery/homophobia/domestic violence/racism is far, far, far worse than anything Helen has done and therefore far more difficult to forget. Especially as he's shown no signs of changing, calling homosexual presenters on TV perverts as recent as late 2012. Are you suggesting prostitution is on par with that?

clapback :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

Someone's past is someone's past, it shouldn't matter what happened in their past... You cannot say you can't bring up one person's past then drag someone elses up, that is hypocrisy... :pat:

[Me. I Am Salman]

And as recent as 2012 Helen was raking in the money talking about her celeb clients, which can't be nice for their families. Yet here she is on BB taking the moral high ground over a woman who had a shower with clothes on to wipe horse sh*t off her.

has helen been a prostitute since the 1960s/70s? no. so yes she can change, unlike Jim whose 2012 incident proves he's been repulsive for about 50 years now. that's what I was trying to get at.

and it was the gutter press who did all that, not her.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Someone's past is someone's past, it shouldn't matter what happened in their past... You cannot say you can't bring up one person's past then drag someone elses up, that is hypocrisy... :pat:

here I go AGAIN repeating myself because you're too lazy to read my posts :pat: I didn't tell people to not being up Helen's past simply because it's the past. I clearly stated not to do so because a) there's a good chance she's changed b) her past can be justified c) her past has no correlation with her actions in the house. Jim on the other hand has shown no indications of changing and the things he's done are horrific and unjustifiable. so no hypocrisy on my part at all :pat: he's probably the only housemate whose past I've brung up anyway, no other housemate has done the things he's done.

anything else you wanna say :smug::hehe:

[Me. I Am Salman]

swear you're gay anyway :shrug: thought you'd agree with me slating the homophobe but okay then :|

[Marsh.]

has helen been a prostitute since the 1960s/70s? no. so yes she can change, unlike Jim whose 2012 incident proves he's been repulsive for about 50 years now. that's what I was trying to get at.

and it was the gutter press who did all that, not her.

No, she didn't sell her story and keep herself in the papers for over 2 years did she? :idc:

You said there's no use judging someone on what they've done outside of the house, we should just talk about how they are inside the BB house. You didn't do that with Jim. Hypocrite.

[Shaun]

no, no and no.

[flamingGalah!]

here I go AGAIN repeating myself because you're too lazy to read my posts :pat: I didn't tell people to not being up Helen's past simply because it's the past. I clearly stated not to do so because a) there's a good chance she's changed b) her past can be justified c) her past has no correlation with her actions in the house. Jim on the other hand has shown no indications of changing and the things he's done are horrific and unjustifiable. so no hypocrisy on my part at all :pat: he's probably the only housemate whose past I've brung up anyway, no other housemate has done the things he's done.

anything else you wanna say :smug::hehe:

Yes, it IS hypocrisy.

Jim showed NO homophobic or racist behaviour in the house, or any violence towards women either, so your logic is completely flawed... :smug:

And how is being a prozzie & selling your story to a tabloid justified?? lol :joker:

Bless...

[Dash Darington]

Salman, do you think prostitution has any lasting effect on a woman? I'm curious how you perceive it. She's a "harsh character" to use her fellow housemates polite terms for it. Do you think her stint as a prostitute has anything to do with that? This idea that a person does that, and then the moment they stop it's simply something from their past that doesn't affect their present seems naive to me, like someone who hasn't got much experience with such things. I don't mean this to sound argumentative, but I think you could preach less and have your mind open to learning more.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Yes, it IS hypocrisy.

Jim showed NO homophobic or racist behaviour in the house, or any violence towards women either, so your logic is completely flawed... :smug:

And how is being a prozzie & selling your story to a tabloid justified?? lol :joker:

Bless...

love how you're not stating why it's hypocrisy. you know I'm right.

didn't say he did I? :hehe: i had hatred for him from day 1 because of his past. someone who has done the things he did should not be allowed back on tv.

stop worshipping the homophobe. what kinda self-loathe? bless :pat:

[calyman]

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

Also if it emerged that someone like Jale or Kimberly had been a prostitute, I can almost guarantee those terms wouldn't be used as much as they are for Helen, it's just because it's her that they are. And just because she's acting like a **** in the house it doesn't give people the right to drag up totally irrelevant issues and use misogynistic terminology. Criticise her present actions, not her past.
I don't care that she was a prostitute, what I care about is her nasty, vindictive, abusive, irrational hatred of those who are clearly more in control of their lives and have higher aspirations.

If she learned how to be her nasty self, while working as a prostitute, then she has not "moved on" from her past because her vileness is self evident.

Also,please, desist with the misogyny accusations. You know it is possible to thoroughly detest Helen, not on the basis of her gender but on the basis of her horrendous personality.

[flamingGalah!]

love how you're not stating why it's hypocrisy. you know I'm right.

didn't say he did I? :hehe: i had hatred for him from day 1 because of his past. someone who has done the things he did should not be allowed back on tv.

stop worshipping the homophobe. what kinda self-loathe? bless :pat:

It is hypocrisy for the reasons I stated, not my fault if you cannot work that out :joker:

And no, you are not right :pat:

And I hardly worship him, but the double standards & hypocrisy are hilarious :hehe:

[calyman]

Did you read the OP? I was able to justify Helen's past. Can you? Jim's prolonged history of thuggery/homophobia/domestic violence/racism is far, far, far worse than anything Helen has done and therefore far more difficult to forget. Especially as he's shown no signs of changing, calling homosexual presenters on TV perverts as recent as late 2012. Are you suggesting prostitution is on par with that?

clapback :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

You did not "justify" Helen's past, you painted a totally unrealistic, naive and skewed appraisal of what you think. Given the amount of responses you've had, which challenge your view; do you really think you have succeeded in "justifying" her past? Helen is a thoroughly nasty individual for the reasons I have stated before.

[Me. I Am Salman]

It is hypocrisy for the reasons I stated, not my fault if you cannot work that out :joker:

And no, you are not right :pat:

And I hardly worship him, but the double standards & hypocrisy are hilarious :hehe:

you stated I was a hypocrite because I allegedly said people shouldn't bring up Helen's past when I myself brang up Jim's. I very clearly responded that this was not what I said at all. you can't dispute me on this so you'll keep on calling me a hypocrite, and you're embarrassing yourself by doing that because it just shows you can't accept you're in the wrong :smug:

yes, I AM right :pat: and you've admitted being a Jim fan despite him being Incredibly homophobic which is very very hilarious (and pretty sad too)

You did not "justify" Helen's past, you painted a totally unrealistic, naive and skewed appraisal of what you think. Given the amount of responses you've had, which challenge your view; do you really think you have succeeded in "justifying" her past? Helen is a thoroughly nasty individual for the reasons I have stated before.

yes I did

I said it's perfectly fine for people to hate Helen if they thinks she's vindictive, which is what the majority of Helen bashers in here are saying. Simply disputing the idea that Helen's in no position to give her stance on what Kimberley did because she used to be a prostitute.

try again hunnii

[flamingGalah!]

you stated I was a hypocrite because I allegedly said people shouldn't bring up Helen's past when I myself brang up Jim's. I very clearly responded that this was not what I said at all. you can't dispute me on this so you'll keep on calling me a hypocrite, and you're embarrassing yourself by doing that because it just shows you can't accept you're in the wrong :smug:

yes, I AM right :pat: and you've admitted being a Jim fan despite him being Incredibly homophobic which is very very hilarious (and pretty sad)

Yes you are a hypocrite. If you cannot see why then I really don't know how to explain it to you :hehe:

You are the one embarrassing yourself :pat:

So once again you are NOT right, & pretty much everyone else has said you are not :joker:

And quite what me being a Jim fan has to do with anything??? :conf:

[Me. I Am Salman]

LOL he still can't tell me why I'm apparently a hypocrite. But I've stated exactly why I'm not. Dear ohh dear

and because you should understand perfectly why I brang up Jim's past what with him being a homophobe and you being gay. unless you're a self-loather :shrug:

:hehe:

[flamingGalah!]

LOL he still can't tell me why I'm apparently a hypocrite. But I've stated exactly why I'm not. Dear ohh dear

and because you should understand perfectly why I brang up Jim's past what with him being a homophobe and you being gay. unless you're a self-loather :shrug:

:hehe:

I explained quite some posts back, I suggest you read the thread :pat:

What does me being gay have to do with bringing up Jim's PAST?? :conf: You are all for giving people the benefit of the doubt that they may have changed, unless you don't like them... :hehe:

[Ammi]

..I thought..(hoped)..that the Jim Davidson discussions were a thing of the past but I think when someone does dislike a housemate or person in general they're likely to be biased about them and if they do like a housemate/person then they're likely do defend them and show more understanding and I think that's true of everyone and perfectly natural...

[Me. I Am Salman]

I explained quite some posts back, I suggest you read the thread :pat:

What does me being gay have to do with bringing up Jim's PAST?? :conf: You are all for giving people the benefit of the doubt that they may have changed, unless you don't like them... :hehe:

Please refer to that post then. Bold the bits which prove I'm a hypocrite. Go on, be as specific as I was if you're in the right.

and no, Jim has NOT changed. homophobic in the 1970s, and 40 years later still making extremely homophobic comments. the benefit of the doubt cannot clearly be given to him, but it can however be given to helen who hasn't shown herself to still be a prostitute that sleeps with married men. in fact she's done pretty much the opposite by condemning that kind of behaviour with her words to kim.

Lolz @ u :smug:

[Northern Monkey]

It's gonna happen with people who've been in the lime light.I don't think you can change that tbh.I'm not against prostitution but she knew she'd been in the papers for it before she went in BB,Her choice to go in there.Alot of people find prostitution controversial so it was bound to be brought up and used against her.She's made her choices in life(including going in BB) she's gotta live with them.

[flamingGalah!]

Please refer to that post then. Bold the bits which prove I'm a hypocrite. Go on, be as specific as I was if you're in the right.

and no, Jim has NOT changed. homophobic in the 1970s, and 40 years later still making extremely homophobic comments. the benefit of the doubt cannot clearly be given to him, but it can however be given to helen who hasn't shown herself to still be a prostitute that sleeps with married men. in fact she's done pretty much the opposite by condemning that kind of behaviour with her words to kim.

Lolz @ u :smug:

:facepalm: I have clearly spelt it out for you, the hypocrisy is plain for anyone to see...

And stop going on about Jim :sleep:

A past is a past, if you cannot understand that then there is little point in me trying to explain it to you further... :smug:

[Me. I Am Salman]

oh god STILL

[calyman]

you stated I was a hypocrite because I allegedly said people shouldn't bring up Helen's past when I myself brang up Jim's. I very clearly responded that this was not what I said at all. you can't dispute me on this so you'll keep on calling me a hypocrite, and you're embarrassing yourself by doing that because it just shows you can't accept you're in the wrong :smug:

yes, I AM right :pat: and you've admitted being a Jim fan despite him being Incredibly homophobic which is very very hilarious (and pretty sad too)



yes I did

I said it's perfectly fine for people to hate Helen if they thinks she's vindictive, which is what the majority of Helen bashers in here are saying. Simply disputing the idea that Helen's in no position to give her stance on what Kimberley did because she used to be a prostitute.

try again hunnii
Try reading my previous post, I am saying that her past is relevant because that's part of what makes her the nasty person she is now.

I also don't think you'rte doing well on your volte face regarding people's pasts. Just accept that you've lost the argument here. repeating the same things to other's points, does not make a good argument from yourself. So please, hunni, give it up as a lost cause.

[flamingGalah!]

oh god STILL

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[Ammi]

..I don't think Salman has 'lost the argument' at all, he's put his point and thoughts over very well in the OP and it may not be a popular opinion but it's extremely well thought out and I totally see his reasons for the thread..there is no 'win' or 'lose'..there is just different perspectives of Helen and her past ..if what she did/does helped mould her into the person we now see in the house then it can be equally looked at that it's made her a defensive person who comes across as quite 'hard' and harsh and if anyone shows an empathy with that, then it's entirely up to them and not wrong...

[Me. I Am Salman]

Try reading my previous post, I am saying that her past is relevant because that's part of what makes her the nasty person she is now.

I also don't think you'rte doing well on your volte face regarding people's pasts. Just accept that you've lost the argument here. repeating the same things to other's points, does not make a good argument from yourself. So please, hunni, give it up as a lost cause.

what do you know about her life? her vindictive behaviour could be down to A LOT of things. bit illogical to assume she was such a lovely person for the first 20 odd years of her life but suddenly had a complete personality overhaul after a bit of prostitution. and even if that was the cause for her nastiness, it doesn't take away her moral authority to give advice to kimberley. she hasn't been sexually loose in the house

I'm only repeating myself because people clearly cannot read my love

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[Me. I Am Salman]

..I don't think Salman has 'lost the argument' at all, he's put his point and thoughts over very well in the OP and it may not be a popular opinion but it's extremely well thought out and I totally see his reasons for the thread..there is no 'win' or 'lose'..there is just different perspectives of Helen and her past ..if what she did/does helped mould her into the person we now see in the house then it can be equally looked at that it's made her a defensive person who comes across as quite 'hard' and harsh and if anyone shows an empathy with that, then it's entirely up to them and not wrong...

Thanks Ammi <33

[Me. I Am Salman]

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prove it.

[flamingGalah!]

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[calyman]

what do you know about her life? her vindictive behaviour could be down to A LOT of things. bit illogical to assume she was such a lovely person for the first 20 odd years of her life but suddenly had a complete personality overhaul after a bit of prostitution. and even if that was the cause for her nastiness, it doesn't take away her moral authority to give advice to kimberley. she hasn't been sexually loose in the house

I'm only repeating myself because people clearly cannot read my love

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I know about as much about her life as you, therefore I accept your bias is as valid as mine. The difference however, is that she continues to be a nasty individual. It's clear experiences in her past have helped determine who she is at present. There's no argument about that (I hope??)

[Heaven = Winner]

I dislike Helen because she's a twat, and if she interested me, I'd like her, but I don't really care for her.

Saying that, I'd take her over at least 80% of the other housemates.

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