Does Ash want to kiss or sleeep with Helen now?

[Samwell]

After knowing what she did for a living, do you think Ash either want to kiss or sleep with her?

[Gusto Brunt]

I read on DS he's 'dumped her'.

[Lola844]

I doubt it...that's a hard pill to swallow.

[King Sing]

How did he find out? Was sleeping...

[AnnieK]

How did he find out? Was sleeping...

She told him

[Verbal]

She has stated how she regretted that period in her life and how she has moved on. If he is any kind of a man it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

[AnnieK]

After knowing what she did for a living, do you think Ash either want to kiss or sleep with her?

Unfortunately, doing a show like Big Brother she is now going to face this for a long time. Fading in to obscurity would have been the best way to escape her past if she wanted to. I guess a lot of guys would back off after being told that on national TV, he has at least got to be given the chance to absorb it and see how he wants to deal with it.

[Lola844]

How did he find out? Was sleeping...

She told him.

[Lola844]

She has stated how she regretted that period in her life and how she has moved on. If he is any kind of a man it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

It's easy to say he should just accept that part of her, but I think most people wouldn't and I don't blame them. I probably wouldn't be ok with it so I don't expect him to. It does not make him any less of a man.

P.S. Told you Pauline was going to be evicted.

[user104658]

They've known each other for two weeks, it's not like he knows or loves her and should be expected to accept her genital warts 'n' all past... He was looking for a bit of flirtation / fun / showmancery... And I wouldn't be surprised at all if he backs off now for fear of being branded the BB guy who hooked up with Rooney's *****.

I'd think him shallow / cowardly if they had a genuine connection or affection for each other and he let something (more or less ) superficial stand in the way... But like I said: 2 weeks. They definitely don't have that. Backing off before it becomes anything is quite sensible, in my opinion.

[dyfed]

After knowing what she did for a living, do you think Ash either want to kiss or sleep with her?
Depends if he has to pay for it ??

[Verbal]

It's easy to say he should just accept that part of her, but I think most people wouldn't and I don't blame them. I probably wouldn't be ok with it so I don't expect him to. It does not make him any less of a man.

P.S. Told you Pauline was going to be evicted.

Being judgmental about someone makes you less of a person whether you are a man or a woman. Holding someones past against them when they have genuinely made a change is small minded, quite frankly pathetic, and is the reason for a lot of the problems in today's world.

[billy123]

Its not unreasonable to be put off a woman who has done that for a living. She would have a vagina like a donkeys satchel for a start.

[Mick]

As I recall she said a married man but he asked "Was it a celebrity",Is this significant.?

I don't feel it will put him off but imo Helen was always a last chance choice for him.Kim rejected him Tammy hooked up with Winstone and Ashleigh has a boy friend.

My take on it is that Helen does enjoy his attention and that he will continue to give it.

[Robodog]

I think outwardly - he'll play the role of gallant white knight who stands up for the fallen dame

But inside - he will be rattled by her revelations, he'll be dying to know who the celebrity is that she slept with - and all his ideas on any kind of romance will be totally frozen now until he's outside and got the full lowdown on her

[Tarryn]

He looked quite shocked. I think he is having second thoughts.

[smeagol]

he will still shag her. only difference is now he will slip her a fiver afterwards.
i would love for that to happen. get it on in the house then afterwards he gives her some cash. that would be so funny

[AnnieK]

As I recall she said a married man but he asked "Was it a celebrity",Is this significant.?

I don't feel it will put him off but imo Helen was always a last chance choice for him.Kim rejected him Tammy hooked up with Winstone and Ashleigh has a boy friend.

My take on it is that Helen does enjoy his attention and that he will continue to give it.

I think it's only significant in the fat that he was talking about having a story sold on her so he was trying to process it. It's not like someone would sell a story on her or having sex with an average joe

[Patricia4]

If he's got any sense which I don't think he's got much is leave her alone.

[Ellen]

I was not aware he wanted to kiss or sleep with her. They seem to get on really well, it comes across to me as mates rather than anything else. I no Ash said he might think about it if he was still here in a few weeks and they were still close but i think that was more tongue in cheek talking to the lads.
I would hope he will still be mates with her as like i said, they get on really well.

[Strictly Jake]

By the way. This conversation was started, and I may have misheard, by ash knowing Gordon Ramsay and his wife, and Helen said she was embarrassed and didn't want to meet them because she slept with Wayne Rooney. Why did she start on that topic from ash just talking about Gordon Ramsay?? Unless she would be worried to meet him in case she wanted to sleep with him?! Or did I really mishear the whole convo

[Northern Monkey]

I doubt he'd put it in there now.He may just distance himself gradually until he gets himself safely back in the friend zone.

[Kizzy]

Being judgmental about someone makes you less of a person whether you are a man or a woman. Holding someones past against them when they have genuinely made a change is small minded, quite frankly pathetic, and is the reason for a lot of the problems in today's world.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Marsh.]

He asked BB if he had a change for a fifty.

[Razor]

I think he might ask Winston if he could borrow a fiver for a quick go.

[jet]

By the way. This conversation was started, and I may have misheard, by ash knowing Gordon Ramsay and his wife, and Helen said she was embarrassed and didn't want to meet them because she slept with Wayne Rooney. Why did she start on that topic from ash just talking about Gordon Ramsay?? Unless she would be worried to meet him in case she wanted to sleep with him?! Or did I really mishear the whole convo

I am wondering why she brought the subject up at all. It's not as if she and Ash are now in a relationship and it's only fair to tell him.
Imo she took the opportunity to mention it for the viewing public to hear her side of the story if they hadn't already.

[Josy]

Ash is better off away from her, nothing to do with her past but her actions in the house, if he sticks around with her it wil be his downfall.

She has stated how she regretted that period in her life and how she has moved on. If he is any kind of a man it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

Actually she has said and always has said she doesn't regret the prostitution only the media drama.

And I think your last comment is wrong, a lot of decent men wouldn't go near an ex prossie with a barge pole.

[Verbal]

Ash is better off away from her, nothing to do with her past but her actions in the house, if he sticks around with her it wil be his downfall.



Actually she has said and always has said she doesn't regret the prostitution only the media drama.

And I think your last comment is wrong, a lot of decent men wouldn't go near an ex prossie with a barge pole.

Hypothetically if you were say a 40 year old man and you were out and met a 40 year old woman in a pub, you would have absolutely no idea she was a prostitute 20 years ago unless she told you. Absolutely no way would I 'run a mile' if I was Ash. And I would hope that I could be considered to be a decent man.

[erinp5]

Her job as an escort is the least of his worries!! it's her character he needs to worry about .
She is a vile, nasty, vindictive, jealous, bitch . She has no redeeming qualities and if she hadn't had the pass to the final she would have been up and out because she is a piss head and a bully .

[Verbal]

Her job as an escort is the least of his worries!! it's her character he needs to worry about .
She is a vile, nasty, vindictive, jealous, bitch . She has no redeeming qualities and if she hadn't had the pass to the final she would have been up and out because she is a piss head and a bully .

She is one of my favourite personalities in the house. She is ballsy, says and does what she wants. I understand how that may scare some though. She is not a bully. We've been over this.

[Kizzy]

Ash is better off away from her, nothing to do with her past but her actions in the house, if he sticks around with her it wil be his downfall.



Actually she has said and always has said she doesn't regret the prostitution only the media drama.

And I think your last comment is wrong, a lot of decent men wouldn't go near an ex prossie with a barge pole.

She didn't set out with that as a career goal, it was circumstances that led her down that road, what she has said is they were choices she made, so she has to accept she placed herself in the situation.
However there are lots of escorts and lots of premiership footballers that use them, her being 'outed' was unfortunate.. the violence and abuse she's received because of it is not acceptable to me.

[jet]

Her job as an escort is the least of his worries!! it's her character he needs to worry about .
She is a vile, nasty, vindictive, jealous, bitch . She has no redeeming qualities and if she hadn't had the pass to the final she would have been up and out because she is a piss head and a bully .

I agree but he has seen her being vile and nasty and seems to like it.

[Josy]

Hypothetically if you were say a 40 year old man and you were out and met a 40 year old woman in a pub, you would have absolutely no idea she was a prostitute 20 years ago unless she told you. Absolutely no way would I 'run a mile' if I was Ash. And I would hope that I could be considered to be a decent man.

Any decent woman would/should tell someone that anyway if they planned on taking the relationship further but it's what the person would do when they did find out we were talking about..and I think most men wouldn't be interested in someone that slept with people for a living.

Also your comment about judging people making us less of a person? I couldn't disagree more with that, we have always judged, whether that be situations or people we have always done it and I would say it was instilled into us, an instinct if you like, we judge people in the street without realising it, we judge if a situation is dangerous and make decisions on how to react based on that judgement, judging definitely does not make anyone less off a person, what about actual Judges that do that for a living? are they lesser people because of their job? The comment you made was far too much of a blanket statement IMO now if you had said we shouldnt judge people on looks for example I could have agreed but to say any sort of judging makes us lesser people or small minded is actually a pretty blinkered view IMO

[Josy]

She didn't set out with that as a career goal, it was circumstances that led her down that road, what she has said is they were choices she made, so she has to accept she placed herself in the situation.
However there are lots of escorts and lots of premiership footballers that use them, her being 'outed' was unfortunate.. the violence and abuse she's received because of it is not acceptable to me.

Oh please she was 500 quid in debt, she hardly owed a fortune so it was circumstances that could have been easily rectified without resorting to prostitiution.

I'm not really sure what any of your post has to do with the thread topic though.

[Northern Monkey]

Prostitution is fine.....But i would'nt wanna kiss one!Eew!

[Kizzy]

Oh please she was 500 quid in debt, she hardly owed a fortune so it was circumstances that could have been easily rectified without resorting to prostitiution.

I'm not really sure what any of your post has to do with the thread topic though.


No... she borrowed £500 from a loan shark, unless they are 0% interest no she owed a LOT more.

It is relevant in the context of the topic josy, it's relating to the fact she was an ex escort who bedded a footballer and expressing this fact in the house isn't it?
That was the point, it's not unusual for footballers to 'play away' Rooney did it more than once.
She now has to live with the public backlash... such as this thread and all the other morality policing that's occurring via social media, therefore it's entirely relevant as far as I see it.

[Verbal]

Any decent woman would/should tell someone that anyway if they planned on taking the relationship further but it's what the person would do when they did find out we were talking about..and I think most men wouldn't be interested in someone that slept with people for a living.

Also your comment about judging people making us less of a person? I couldn't disagree more with that, we have always judged, whether that be situations or people we have always done it and I would say it was instilled into us, an instinct if you like, we judge people in the street without realising it, we judge if a situation is dangerous and make decisions on how to react based on that judgement, judging definitely does not make anyone less off a person, what about actual Judges that do that for a living? are they lesser people because of their job? The comment you made was far too much of a blanket statement IMO now if you had said we shouldnt judge people on looks for example I could have agreed but to say any sort of judging makes us lesser people or small minded is actually a pretty blinkered view IMO

You're just being ridiculous now, Josy. It is quite clear in the context of this thread what I meant when talking about judging people.
You're saying that it is ok to hold something against someone for their entire lives even though it may be well in their distant past?
I'm not talking about the law or judging dangerous decisions. I'm talking about vilifying a young girl who went through an unfortunate phase in her past, for the rest of her life; which by the looks of it a (not so suprisingly) large amount of people are more than prepared to do.
She should not be ashamed of her past. She didn't go around mugging people, burgling houses or working as a hitman. She had sex with paying, willing customers.

[Josy]

No... she borrowed £500 from a loan shark, unless they are 0% interest no she owed a LOT more.

It is relevant in the context of the topic josy, it's relating to the fact she was an ex escort who bedded a footballer and expressing this fact in the house isn't it?
That was the point, it's not unusual for footballers to 'play away' Rooney did it more than once.
She now has to live with the public backlash... such as this thread and all the other morality policing that's occurring via social media, therefore it's entirely relevant as far as I see it.

I don't really care how much she owed Kizzy, the fact is she did not owe the national debt and could have done anything but turn to prostitution but she opted for the easy way out and she admits this herself in the interviews of her talking about it, she also clearly states she does not regret the prostitution just the tabloid scandals.

This thread isn't backlash, it's discussing the conversation she had with Ash inside the house, Helen herself was the one that brought it up and that's what we were discussing..

[Verbal]

Oh please she was 500 quid in debt, she hardly owed a fortune so it was circumstances that could have been easily rectified without resorting to prostitiution.

I'm not really sure what any of your post has to do with the thread topic though.

Clearly you are from a relatively privileged background, where 500 quid is not that much money. Come down this way and let me introduce you to a few people I know who are at this moment sitting in their houses with no gas, electric and barely any food because they can't afford it. To some that is a fortune.

[Josy]

You're just being ridiculous now, Josy. It is quite clear in the context of this thread what I meant when talking about judging people.
You're saying that it is ok to hold something against someone for their entire lives even though it may be well in their distant past?
I'm not talking about the law or judging dangerous decisions. I'm talking about vilifying a young girl who went through an unfortunate phase in her past, for the rest of her life; which by the looks of it a (not so suprisingly) large amount of people are more than prepared to do.
She should not be ashamed of her past. She didn't go around mugging people, burgling houses or working as a hitman. She had sex with paying, willing customers.

I'm being ridiculous for disagreeing with a blanket statement that you made?

And yes I am saying it's ok to judge someone on their past if that's what people choose to do, we always judge people in some way or other, how on earth have we been having opinions of people since day one if we don't judge? YOU don't have any problems with Helens past but others do, I judge people by their behaviour and am certainly not any less of a person for doing so.

[Josy]

Clearly you are from a relatively privileged background, where 500 quid is not that much money. Come down this way and let me introduce you to a few people I know who are at this moment sitting in their houses with no gas, electric and barely any food because they can't afford it. To some that is a fortune.

You just judged me? :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I don't really care how much she owed Kizzy, the fact is she did not owe the national debt and could have done anything but turn to prostitution but she opted for the easy way out and she admits this herself in the interviews of her talking about it, she also clearly states she does not regret the prostitution just the tabloid scandals.

This thread isn't backlash, it's discussing the conversation she had with Ash inside the house, Helen herself was the one that brought it up and that's what we were discussing..

Josy stop shooting me down for my opinion because it interferes with your slut shaming.

[Verbal]

You just judged me? :laugh:

No I didn't I made a point.

Holding someones past against them or judging people from a distance in general is utterly ridiculous and is damaging to society and the individual.

[Kizzy]

I actually don't think ash will care... he likes helen.

[flamingGalah!]

Lots of people get down on their luck & have money problems, but they don't all lay on their backs with their legs in the air! :nono:

Ash should run for the hills...

[Josy]

Josy stop shooting me down for my opinion because it interferes with your slut shaming.

Again, this thread isn't specifically about Helen and her past it's about Ash and his reaction to it. You seem to be the only one bringing this 'slut shaming' thing up.

[Josy]

No I didn't I made a point.

Holding someones past against them or judging people from a distance in general is utterly ridiculous and is damaging to society and the individual.

And to make that point you judged my past? you mentioned my background.

[Verbal]

Lots of people get down on their luck & have money problems, but they don't all lay on their backs with their legs in the air! :nono:

Ash should run for the hills...

I genuinely don't see why that is a bad thing, would you rather they burgled your house? Or would you rather they serviced some lonely old pervert in the comfort of their own home?

[Verbal]

And to make that point you judged my past? you mentioned my background.

Where did I judge you? I made an assumption that you are from a relatively privileged background. If I was judging you I would have made some derogatory comment.

[flamingGalah!]

I genuinely don't see why that is a bad thing, would you rather they burgled your house? Or would you rather they serviced some lonely old pervert in the comfort of their own home?

Of course not, but to pretend that the only option for someone with money troubles is to become a prostitute is ridiculous! She had a child ffs, she would have been entitled to (& no doubt received) benefits etc.. anyway...

So I don't get all this pitty for her or that she was forced to be a prostitute or that it was her only option at all...

[Josy]

Where did I judge you? I made an assumption that you are from a relatively privileged background. If I was judging you I would have made some derogatory comment.

Not really, you can make a judgement without being derogatory.

Anyway to keep on topic I still think Ash should steer well clear, that opinion is based solely on Helen's behaviour and actions inside the house (I have said this all along so not sure why I'm all of a sudden being accused of slut shaming) she is not a nice person and would bring him down along with her IMO.

[Kizzy]

Again, this thread isn't specifically about Helen and her past it's about Ash and his reaction to it. You seem to be the only one bringing this 'slut shaming' thing up.

I haven't seen you post how you think he'll react...

[Josy]

I haven't seen you post how you think he'll react...

My very first post in this thread was about Ash and what I think he should do.

Edit - http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6963593&postcount=27

[Verbal]

Not really, you can make a judgement without being derogatory.

Anyway to keep on topic I still think Ash should steer well clear, that opinion is based solely on Helen's behaviour and actions inside the house (I have said this all along so not sure why I'm all of a sudden being accused of slut shaming) she is not a nice person and would bring him down along with her IMO.

Please point out to me where I judged you. I voiced no opinion, I just stated what I believed to have been fact based on what you said. You were welcome to come back at me and say you aren't.

You stated that 500 quid is hardly a fortune, and I said to some it would be. End of discussion.

[Josy]

Please point out to me where I judged you. I voiced no opinion, I just stated what I believed to have been fact based on what you said. You were welcome to come back at me and say you aren't.

You stated that 500 quid is hardly a fortune, and I said to some it would be. End of discussion.

I would rather the thread stayed on topic rather than be derailed with personal comments.

[Kizzy]

My very first post in this thread was about Ash and what I think he should do.

Edit - http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6963593&postcount=27

Yes what you think he should do, not what ash will actually do... that's the question isn't it?

[Scream]

Being judgmental about someone makes you less of a person whether you are a man or a woman. Holding someones past against them when they have genuinely made a change is small minded, quite frankly pathetic, and is the reason for a lot of the problems in today's world.

So if someone told you they was a serial killer but it's all in the past and they regret it now you'd still want to be with them?

It's all subjective.

[Verbal]

I would rather the thread stayed on topic rather than be derailed with personal comments.

:joker: it was you that derailed it! Now because your argument has been shot down its suddenly against the rules. Everything I have said is relevant to the topic that is being discussed.

[Kizzy]

So if someone told you they was a serial killer but it's all in the past and they regret it now you'd still want to be with them?

It's all subjective.

Not even nearly comparable.

[Josy]

Yes what you think he should do, not what ash will actually do... that's the question isn't it?

No one but Ash knows that though for now, we wont be able to post about that until we see more of the highlights so I posted as on topic as what was possible like most other people in the thread Kizzy.

[Josy]

:joker: it was you that derailed it! Now because your argument has been shot down its suddenly against the rules. Everything I have said is relevant to the topic that is being discussed.

Oh come on Verbal I derailed? I replied on topic and also to your post about judging, you commented personally about my background, it's there for anyone to read back and see.

[Verbal]

So if someone told you they was a serial killer but it's all in the past and they regret it now you'd still want to be with them?

It's all subjective.

We are talking about sex workers not serial killers. But to answer your question, given the very small chance that they would be free, or that I would be in a high security prison, no I would certainly not turn my back on them.

[Northern Monkey]

I genuinely don't see why that is a bad thing, would you rather they burgled your house? Or would you rather they serviced some lonely old pervert in the comfort of their own home?

Now you're judging people who use prostitutes,Calling them perverts.It could be the only sex they get.

[Verbal]

Oh come on Verbal I derailed? I replied on topic and also to your post about judging, you commented personally about my background, it's there for anyone to read back and see.

You said 500 quid is not a fortune, which is clearly based on your personal experience in life. Which will be personal comment number 1. Made by you.

I simply pointed out to you that is not the case for a large selection of the population.

Don't try scoring points Josy. It was for this reason I didn't come on here for months.

[Verbal]

Now you're judging people who use prostitutes,Calling them perverts.It could be the only sex they get.

I'm sorry you can't see how deliberate that was. I was stooping to the level that this topic has been taken too... deliberately.

[Kizzy]

Oh come on Verbal I derailed? I replied on topic and also to your post about judging, you commented personally about my background, it's there for anyone to read back and see.

Yes and I agree with him, he didn't judge you.
You said £500 wasn't a lot of money, he said you must be from a privileged background that's all.
Like you say we'll have to see what ash makes of the situation, I think he'll be fine with it as he's got to know her better than us I guess.

[Josy]

You said 500 quid is not a fortune, which is clearly based on your personal experience in life. Which will be personal comment number 1. Made by you.

I simply pointed out to you that is not the case for a large selection of the population.

Don't try scoring points Josy. It was for this reason I didn't come on here for months.

Theres no point scoring here Verbal I am posting my replies to comments in the thread, it's a discussion and I just posted that I would rather the thread kept to the topic instead of becoming personal, not sure why that would be such a big deal?

[Josy]

Yes and I agree with him, he didn't judge you.
You said £500 wasn't a lot of money, he said you must be from a privileged background that's all.
Like you say we'll have to see what ash makes of the situation, I think he'll be fine with it as he's got to know her better than us I guess.

That's judging me..assuming I'm from a certain background because of a post on a forum.

[Kizzy]

That's judging me..assuming I'm from a certain background because of a post on a forum.

No it really isn't.... he didn't make assumptions on your character based on the fact you said £500 was't a lot of money, I think it should be left here you're getting fixated on inferences that aren't actually there now josy.

[Josy]

No it really isn't.... he didn't make assumptions on your character based on the fact you said £500 was't allot of money, I think it should be left here you're getting fixated on inferences that aren't actually there now josy.

No one is forcing you to stay in the thread Kizzy?

And I have asked more than once for the thread to be kept on topic.

[Kizzy]

Well I would quite like to discuss the topic the OP posted if that's ok?

I saw the edit

[Josy]

Well I would quite like to discuss the topic the OP posted if that's ok?

Discuss it then instead of quoting my discussion with another member?

[dyfed]

Not really, you can make a judgement without being derogatory.

Anyway to keep on topic I still think Ash should steer well clear, that opinion is based solely on Helen's behaviour and actions inside the house (I have said this all along so not sure why I'm all of a sudden being accused of slut shaming) she is not a nice person and would bring him down along with her IMO.

Game set and match to Josie ,absolutely agree with you.:clap1:

[Josy]

One of the first things I noticed last night was that Ash was nowhere near Helen during the eviction, I expected her to be sat beside him or vice versa, I wonder if that's him starting to keep his distance?

[Kizzy]

Discuss it then instead of quoting my discussion with another member?

Fine.... It's not nice having words put in your mouth though.

[Kazanne]

Being judgmental about someone makes you less of a person whether you are a man or a woman. Holding someones past against them when they have genuinely made a change is small minded, quite frankly pathetic, and is the reason for a lot of the problems in today's world.

Which is great Verbal as long as that pertains to all the housemates , including past ones , I seem to recall Jim getting loads of stick about his past, so I hope you mean everyone.

[Lola844]

Being judgmental about someone makes you less of a person whether you are a man or a woman. Holding someones past against them when they have genuinely made a change is small minded, quite frankly pathetic, and is the reason for a lot of the problems in today's world.

Judging is one thing, choosing to be in a relationship is another. I might not want be in a relationship with a male stripper, doesn't make me less of a person. Prostitution is not something you are born with, it's a choice she made. These are the consequences.

[Verbal]

Theres no point scoring here Verbal I am posting my replies to comments in the thread, it's a discussion and I just posted that I would rather the thread kept to the topic instead of becoming personal, not sure why that would be such a big deal?

The point scoring I was referring to was you saying ' you cant make personal comments' which is basically you saying carry on arguing with me and i'll infract/ban you. Nothing I said was personal. It was you that made the personal comment about yourself. I merely responded to that.

[Verbal]

Judging is one thing, choosing to be in a relationship is another. I might not want be in a relationship with a male stripper, doesn't make me less of a person. Prostitution is not something you are born with, it's a choice she made. These are the consequences.

That is completely different to what is being discussed. People are willfully holding the past against an EX prostitute. I would not for a second date an active prostitute. But if I met a woman who USED to be a prostitute, and we got on. I would not tell her to sling her hook if I found out she used to be one. That is the attitude being shown by people that I object too.

[Josy]

The point scoring I was referring to was you saying ' you cant make personal comments' which is basically you saying carry on arguing with me and i'll infract/ban you. Nothing I said was personal. It was you that made the personal comment about yourself. I merely responded to that.

Not at all. Making personal comments is against the forum rules yes but I was having a discussion with you, not moderating the thread.

[Verbal]

Not at all. Making personal comments is against the forum rules yes but I was having a discussion with you, not moderating the thread.

Fair enough

Moving on...

[Lola844]

That is completely different to what is being discussed. People are willfully holding the past against an EX prostitute. I would not for a second date an active prostitute. But if I met a woman who USED to be a prostitute, and we got on. I would not tell her to sling her hook if I found out she used to be one. That is the attitude being shown by people that I object too.

No the thread is about Ash having a relationship with him after knowing this. Does Ash want to kiss or sleeep with Helen now? So what I said was when it comes to a relationship it would be hard to overlook and it doesn't make him a bad person for not wanting to makeout with her.

I agree she shouldn't be judged by her past when it comes to how she's seen as a housemate or a friend. So in no way am I talking about being friends with someone, or belittling someone for their past. Specifically Ash hooking up with her.

[sassysocks]

She has stated how she regretted that period in her life and how she has moved on. If he is any kind of a man it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

You honestly think she's changed! Anything for attention and a quick buck. She has no standards and no intelligence. Ash, shallow as he is, can do better than her. She will drag him down, something that has no doubt occured to him.

[Verbal]

You honestly think she's changed! Anything for attention and a quick buck. She has no standards and no intelligence. Ash, shallow as he is, can do better than her. She will drag in down, something that has no doubt occured to him.

Said this yesterday, but ok apparently there is more than one... calling someone shallow makes you equally shallow; ergo your points are not worth considering.

[sassysocks]

Said this yesterday, but ok apparently there is more than one... calling someone shallow makes you equally shallow; ergo your points are not worth considering.

What a vicious circle that creates, I diss her/him, you diss me. Where's the difference? By your own reasonsing - none of us are worth considering, including you.

[Verbal]

What a vicious circle that creates, I diss her/him, you diss me. Where's the difference? By your own reasonsing - none of us are worth considering, including you.

I haven't 'dissed' anyone. The whole post was just one big exercise in hypocrisy and wasn't worth considering.

[smudgie]

Totally depends on if he really fancies her or not.
He would be getting it for free as Helen has retired from the game, I don think he was after getting into a serious relationship before he knew about her past so I don't see why it should make a big difference.

Having known a fair few prostitutes in my time, I just don't get all the negativity towards them.

[AnnieK]

Said this yesterday, but ok apparently there is more than one... calling someone shallow makes you equally shallow; ergo your points are not worth considering.

Why does calling someone shallow make you shallow? I wouldn't say it does at all.

[Verbal]

Why does calling someone shallow make you shallow? I wouldn't say it does at all.

Really? I'm not sitting here explaining it.

[Josy]

Can I just remind people of this:

We would like to remind everyone that while it might be OK to post comments that criticise and generally slag off the BB housemates (they have put themselves forward for this by being in the house) it is not OK to do this about other forum members.

[sassysocks]

I haven't 'dissed' anyone. The whole post was just one big exercise in hypocrisy and wasn't worth considering.

Ditto!

[AnnieK]

Really? I'm not sitting here explaining it.

That's fine you don't have too. But someone can have real depth if character but call someone else who is vacuous and vile as shallow that does not make them shallow in my opinion. It make them bitchy or judgemental but not shallow. I don't follow your logic there

[Verbal]

That's fine you don't have too. But someone can have real depth if character but call someone else who is vacuous and vile as shallow that does not make them shallow in my opinion. It make them bitchy or judgemental but not shallow. I don't follow your logic there

ok

[Kizzy]

Can I just remind people of this:

He's back to cosying up to her for a bevvy of an evening I see, I do see them more as mates though never really saw romance on the cards.