This series is going to be ruined by VTE...

[Headie]

To all the people who said it doesn't make a difference, do you believe me now?

This series could end up one of the worst ever, At this rate I can't even see a male getting evicted until after the halfway point, and it's going to get really boring with all the big characters leaving.

[billy123]

How come you never whinged about it before your favourite is about to get the boot?
Your just mad :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

How come you never whinged about it before your favourite is about to get the boot?
Your just mad :)

:joker: I'm about to start an over/under on how many "subtle" pro-Toya threads Hayden will make this week (my personal fave so far being DO YOU LIKE DRAMA YES OR NO)

[Headie]

^^^bye I've had this opinion right from the start before it even began

[Cal.]

I agree. If it keeps on going the way its going at mid-point I'm betting the only females left in the house will be Helen, Jale and Ashleigh.

[Me. I Am Salman]

is toya actually up :| rip bb15

[Me. I Am Salman]

:joker: I'm about to start an over/under on how many "subtle" pro-Toya threads Hayden will make this week (my personal fave so far being DO YOU LIKE DRAMA YES OR NO)

as a fellow lisa wallace fan I am disappointed in you.

[JTM45]

Nothing wrong with VTE when there's a house full of good housemates! The problem in my opinion this year is probably a good three-quarters of the housemates should never have been selected. They select people for totally the wrong reasons these days. Helen because she was a 'sell a story prostitute', Winston because he's an Essex lad, Danielle because she's made herself out to be something that she isn't, Ash purely for his looks and probably the same with Ashleigh.........and so on!!!
They need to go back to the days when they chose people because they were interesting characters who had the potential to entertain us for the whole summer!!!

This "all the big characters get evicted too early" bollocks comes up every year and it's just a non-starter as far as i'm concerned!!! People evict who they want to evict, usually because they can't bear to watch them anymore and it's as simple as that. You can be very entertaining without being an annoying twat and you can even have annoying housemates who are still watchable but when they're JUST annoying people will vote them out and deservedly so!

[Headie]

^I agree with you on the first bit. The reason BB6/BB7 were so good is that the housemates chosen were so perfect that it didn't matter who got evicted as it would always be entertaining. All the C5 series have had duds, but BB13 proved to me how much of a difference VTS makes to a series.

[Samm]

I'm sad that toya is up but I think the power Housemate thing will keep the series alive, but the males need too go

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Toya would get by far the most votes to save. So annoying that the most entertaining one is going to leave and there is next to nothing we can do about it.

I definitely won't be as loyal to this series after Friday.

[Headie]

Toya would get by far the most votes to save. So annoying that the most entertaining one is going to leave and there is next to nothing we can do about it.

I definitely won't be as loyal to this series after Friday.

Agreed. I'll still watch just to see twats like Steven and Ash and Marlon get evicted, but I don' think I can take watching the finale where Winston will obvious win *bleugh*

[Macie Lightfoot]

But you can make the argument against VTS with BB12. If you don't have a scrappy lovable underdog VTS kinda sucks? At least with VTE we can get rid of people more easily when they become unbearable (ie if Toya continued to act how she was acting last week)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Toya would get by far the most votes to save. So annoying that the most entertaining one is going to leave and there is next to nothing we can do about it.

I definitely won't be as loyal to this series after Friday.

Okay I get that you're passionate about Toya and would take a bullet for her but you need to stop lying to yourself if you really think Toya would get far more votes to save than Chris and Jale and Christopher.

[Headie]

But you can make the argument against VTS with BB12. If you don't have a scrappy lovable underdog VTS kinda sucks? At least with VTE we can get rid of people more easily when they become unbearable (ie if Toya continued to act how she was acting last week)

The only benefit to VTE is money. I can't see what else.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Or, like I said, get rid of people when they've truly become insufferable.

[Samm]

If the series didn't have a Power housemate twist then it would die but every week there's a big drama over the power housemate and I think that will continue

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Okay I get that you're passionate about Toya and would take a bullet for her but you need to stop lying to yourself if you really think Toya would get far more votes to save than Chris and Jale and Christopher.

She definitely would. Jale and Chris fans would be complacent whereas Toya fans would be voting a lot just in case.

I believe she would get the most votes. And I would take a bullet for most people, I'm nice like that...selfless you could say :pipe:

[Macie Lightfoot]

She definitely would. Jale and Chris fans would be complacent whereas Toya fans would be voting a lot just in case.

I believe she would get the most votes. And I would take a bullet for most people, I'm nice like that...selfless you could say :pipe:

Even if not all of the Jale and Chris fans vote, they still outnumber the Toya fans by extreme amounts. You're part of the vocal minority as a Toya fan tbh.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Even if not all of the Jale and Chris fans vote, they still outnumber the Toya fans by extreme amounts. You're part of the vocal minority as a Toya fan tbh.

Well, I love you too.

[Macie Lightfoot]

omg I hope that means lovebigbrotheruk will take a bullet for me now xxx

[Marc]

Yet BB haven't changed their mind on the matter and will keep the VTE format

[lovebigbrotheruk]

omg I hope that means lovebigbrotheruk will take a bullet for me now xxx

I sure will :smug:

[chuff me dizzy]

I believe it makes a big difference, it allows us ty concentrate on evicting the one person we want out, much fairer and sorts the wheat from the chaff

[JPG2502]

Of course it is. The fact they put up even more housemates each week is even worse !
This series is dead on its feet by about week 6 . Disaster

[JPG2502]

I believe it makes a big difference, it allows us ty concentrate on evicting the one person we want out, much fairer and sorts the wheat from the chaff

Nonsense. That's exactly why it ISNT fair. A weekly witch hunt .

[MrMinaj]

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1976191

vote to save poll

[chuff me dizzy]

Nonsense. That's exactly why it ISNT fair. A weekly witch hunt .

Thats what we want to do when we pick up the phone or we wouldnt bother

[Gerbil901]

I love VTE. It gives me an opportunity to get Toya out of the house. VTE should be celebrated not criticized. (sarcasm) On a serious note I think that people hate VTE when it works against their favorite HM. Trust me when I tell you that while Helen is one of the biggest HMs everybody wouldn't be thinking about how much entertainment she offers. We are gonna evict her because she's nasty just like Toya. I just think some Toya fans are upset that it's gonna work against her.

[chuff me dizzy]

I love VTE. It gives me an opportunity to get Toya out of the house. VTE should be celebrated not criticized. (sarcasm) On a serious note I think that people hate VTE when it works against their favorite HM. Trust me when I tell you that while Helen is one of the biggest HMs everybody wouldn't be thinking about how much entertainment she offers. We are gonna evict her because she's nasty just like Toya. I just think some Toya fans are upset that it's gonna work against her.

Spot on ,when it looks like fans favs are going to go because of VTE they kick up a fuss

[MrMinaj]

Spot on ,when it looks like fans favs are going to go because of VTE they kick up a fuss

who is ''they'', i always support vote to save, because its simple dear, people vote for who they want to watch, the housemate with the least votes goes, thus there being no 'split' votes and any of that nonsense.

HATED characters STILL go on a vote to save as has been proven time and time again, Pauline would have STILL gone last week no matter what the voting system, which is why i dont understand why people like vote to evict.

or ''dullard enablers'' as i like to call them :cheer2::joker:

[Gerbil901]

who is ''they'', i always support vote to save, because its simple dear, people vote for who they want to watch, the housemate with the least votes goes, thus there being no 'split' votes and any of that nonsense.

HATED characters STILL go on a vote to save as has been proven time and time again, Pauline would have STILL gone last week no matter what the voting system, which is why i dont understand why people like vote to evict.

or ''dullard enablers'' as i like to call them :cheer2::joker:

"They" are the fans of the HMs who are gonna be evicted because of VTE.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Your deluded if you think Toya would get the most votes in a vote to save. She might stay over Ash or Marlon but she has no chance of getting more votes than the other 5.

Just accept Toya is gone, she brought it on herself

[chuff me dizzy]

Your deluded if you think Toya would get the most votes in a vote to save. She might stay over Ash or Marlon but she has no chance of getting more votes than the other 5.

Just accept Toya is gone, she brought it on herself

She wouldnt stay over anyone in there after this weeks carryons

[MrMinaj]

Your deluded if you think Toya would get the most votes in a vote to save. She might stay over Ash or Marlon but she has no chance of getting more votes than the other 5.

Just accept Toya is gone, she brought it on herself

ofcourse she would not get the most votes. but SHE WOULD stay over Ash and Marlon.

[Northern Monkey]

I can't see the point in VTE tbh,Someone has an argument one week and they're gone.It rewards the dullards.

[JeanP!]

I agree. It's going to be BB11 all over again

[user104658]

I like the idea of a "tug of war" system with votes to save and votes to evict, with the person with the net lowest score going. e.g. Toya gets 19000 votes to evict but 20000 votes to stay for a net of 1000, Marlon gets 3000 votes to stay but 4000 to evict for a net of -1000, so Marlon goes even though Toya got far more votes to evict.

I think it would work well AND make them money. A "big" housemate that divides opinion would get lots of VTE but also lots of VTS to counter it - if their fan base is stronger than their "anti-fan" base, then they have a good chance. If not, then they'll fall massively into the negative. Likewise, a "boring" housemate who fades into the background, might get a far smaller number of votes to evict, but if they don't have many fans to counter those votes with votes to save, then they're likely to have more of a "net negative" and be the one to go.

Unfortunately, I think that sort of voting system is probably too complex for the GBP to understand or get on board with, so they'll never do it.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Toya would get by far the most votes to save. So annoying that the most entertaining one is going to leave and there is next to nothing we can do about it.

I definitely won't be as loyal to this series after Friday.

ofcourse she would not get the most votes. but SHE WOULD stay over Ash and Marlon.

I agree she would stay over Marlon, maybe Ash but I am responded to lovebigbrotheruk saying that she would get the most votes. Deluded much?

[flamingGalah!]

VTE is MUCH better!

People are just pissed cos their favourite is the most hated & will get the chop, if it was someone they hated up for eviction they would think it was brilliant... :sleep:

[Robodog]

I agree.

I'm not a Toya fan but she def needs to stay this week.

If it was VTS then she would.

Pauline needed to go last week because she shut down the vibe in the house. Even though Toya is also a controversial and argumentative HM - she actually gets the house going!

Without her it could get very boring for next few weeks - Helen would become queen bee with no challenger.

Toya needs to stay right now and you are right - a boring male needs to go.

[Shaun]

I agree she would stay over Marlon, maybe Ash but I am responded to lovebigbrotheruk saying that she would get the most votes. Deluded much?

I don't know, in VTS I think she could quite easily beat Danielle as well.

[Miranda123]

To all the people who said it doesn't make a difference, do you believe me now?

This series could end up one of the worst ever, At this rate I can't even see a male getting evicted until after the halfway point, and it's going to get really boring with all the big characters leaving.

If you dont do it, they cant show it

She f..ked herself the first time she acted like a gangbangers bitch and she is over

Whose gonna be your fave after Friday?

[Miranda123]

I can't see the point in VTE tbh,Someone has an argument one week and they're gone.It rewards the dullards.

Pauline had NO arguments last week, she tried to hide under the radar but when we see bitches, we know bitches and they GO!

[Miranda123]

as a fellow lisa wallace fan I am disappointed in you.

you would be, cause youre a Toya fan, and you were a Pauline fan

which means you should be used to disappointment by now lol

[Black Dagger]

Toya would easily be top 3 in a VTS if she carried on.

Yeah VTE is the worst, we all know this, it did well for the first week and Pauline needed to go.

But it's just a horrific voting process.

[Marsh.]

How come you never whinged about it before your favourite is about to get the boot?
Your just mad :)

:joker: So true.

Anyone would think Big Brother = Toya. :hehe:

[Marsh.]

Toya would easily be top 3 in a VTS if she carried on.

:joker:

[Vicky.]

The only benefit to VTE is money. I can't see what else.

Depends how bad a housemate gets...Conor would have left earlier with VTE. VTS means its really hard to get the absolute twats out.

I prefer VTS overall though even if it does mean suffering a wanker for weeks on end.

[Strictly Jake]

Yep we are going to be left with a house full of people who all get along and do tasks. Boring. I'm gutted toya is up

[Josy]

It all depends on who you are supporting and what your definition of a good series is..

[Headie]

It all depends on who you are supporting and what your definition of a good series is..

Not this nonsense again :bored:

[TheElusiveChanteuse]

It all depends on who you are supporting and what your definition of a good series is..

One that isn't full of people getting along and doing nothing

[Miranda123]

Yep we are going to be left with a house full of people who all get along and do tasks. Boring. I'm gutted toya is up

she's okay if you want a houseful full of wannabee gangster wh..es

[Marsh.]

Not this nonsense again :bored:

It's not nonsense, it's called opinion. Time you learnt that your own is not the same for everyone.

[Miranda123]

One that isn't full of people getting along and doing nothing

you seriously think Helen is gonna get along with anyone??

we already have one bitch all the way to the final, thats quite enough thanks!

Seeya Toya, its been crap knowing you lol

[Marsh.]

One that isn't full of people getting along and doing nothing

Where is the suggestion that will happen?

Like people suggesting the house would be dull if Pauline left, when actually getting rid of Pauline who was hogging a large portion of highlights gave others, including Toya, a chance to be seen.

[Marsh.]

Yep we are going to be left with a house full of people who all get along and do tasks. Boring. I'm gutted toya is up

As opposed to another week of Toya saying "Listen to me, yeah? Have some respect"?

[LukeB]

we need a operation get marlon or ash out!!!

[Samm]

The main reason I don't think the series will die is because of the Power Housemate twist it makes lots of Drama every week and hopefully if they keep the twist up it will carry on for the rest of the season

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf Hayden this series would be ruined on a VTS as well because the public really are pro dullard this year.

[Headie]

Tbf Hayden this series would be ruined on a VTS as well because the public really are pro dullard this year.

Agreed. It so different to last year when everyone was supporting the drama starters... even the casuals.

All I'm saying is a house with Ashleigh, Winston, Chris etc is going to be less eventful than a house with Toya, Helen, Danielle, Jale etc.

[Nedusa]

The only benefit to VTE is money. I can't see what else.


I think VTE does make the producers more money as it gives the viewer/voter more chance to effect change on the house and actually get someone to leave.

VTS has more of a watered down effect as other voters will VTS other HM's so the one who is evicted is done so as an indirect consequence of all the other nominated HM's getting slightly more VTS votes.

whereas with VTE a HM can be voted out directly even if that particular HM is just loud (and not annoying) they can still find themselves out the door.

Personally I would prefer VTS as the least popular HM will actually go and not just the loudest most visible one.

[Mystic Mock]

Your deluded if you think Toya would get the most votes in a vote to save. She might stay over Ash or Marlon but she has no chance of getting more votes than the other 5.

Just accept Toya is gone, she brought it on herself

Toya would also beat Danielle on a VTS.

[Jamesy]

Every single C4 series was vote to evict. The ONLY series that had vote to save were BB12 and BB13 and out of those VTS series there was only really one good winner (Aaron).

Most VTE series have worked out just fine and this series will too (my crystal ball tells me so). One or two people do not make the show. There is always a dark horse and arguments are bound to kick off later on.

Don't see the need to get so negative when a fav looks bound to be kicked out. There are plenty of characters this year to keep the drama going.

[Headie]

Every single C4 series was vote to evict. The ONLY series that had vote to save were BB12 and BB13 and out of those VTS series there was only really one good winner (Aaron).

Most VTE series have worked out just fine and this series will too (my crystal ball tells me so). One or two people do not make the show. There is always a dark horse and arguments are bound to will kick off later on.

Don't see the need to get so negative when a fav looks bound to be kicked out. There are plenty of characters this year to keep the drama going.

But you can't compare C4 to C5... C4 always picked a diverse bunch of housemates, which meant that it didn't really matter who went since there were always enough entertainers to last the duration, no matter who got evicted each week.

C5 pick the same type of people every year, with 3 or 4 big characters max, and most of them leave within the first half of the show. BB13 had about 50/50 in terms of good/bad HMs, but the good ones were able to stay and outlast the bad ones due to VTS :clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Every single C4 series was vote to evict. The ONLY series that had vote to save were BB12 and BB13 and out of those VTS series there was only really one good winner (Luke A).

Most VTE series have worked out just fine and this series will too (my crystal ball tells me so). One or two people do not make the show. There is always a dark horse and arguments are bound to kick off later on.

Don't see the need to get so negative when a fav looks bound to be kicked out. There are plenty of characters this year to keep the drama going.

fixed.

Again, Aaron winning BB12 is really all you need to say to argue against VTS.

[Jamesy]

Arguably these lot are more diverse than previous C5 BB series. Toya hardly did much last week (apart from a small argument with Christopher). Now she's in the limelight being the main focus of each episode... these lot have proved well enough they will get in and argue with eachother.

We're 3 weeks in fgs. This happened last year with people saying after Sallie left the series was dead and it carried out just fine. I was hooked on last years series.

[Jamesy]

fixed.

Again, Aaron winning BB12 is really all you need to say to argue against VTS.

Ermm... I said most VTE series lasted just fine with VTE. Nearly all C4 series were consistently praised.

or do you want me to trawl through 12 series and list to you every great thing that has happened in a VTE series to prove my point?

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm well-aware of what you said. Perhaps you should reread my post again?

[Brother Leon]

I haven't really had a fave this year, but there have been a lot I just couldn't stand. VTE has been perfect this year :laugh:

[Jamesy]

I'm well-aware of what you said. Perhaps you should reread my post again?

I read your post perfectly well thank you.

[Mystic Mock]

If people keep evicting all the big characters eventually it will turn dull.

[Headie]

Arguably these lot are more diverse than previous C5 BB series. Toya hardly did much last week (apart from a small argument with Christopher). Now she's in the limelight being the main focus of each episode... these lot have proved well enough they will get in and argue with eachother.

We're 3 weeks in fgs. This happened last year with people saying after Sallie left the series was dead and it carried out just fine. I was hooked on last years series.

But the problem is, no one on the "underdogs side" is actually willing to contest the cool kids. The only one that's been vocal about 'The Lads' being pricks and arrogant is Toya (Danielle vs Helen died a long time ago, doesn't look like Danielle will ever argue again now after hearing the boos... she's playing it safe by being cute so the public don't evict her).

Without a vocal person on each side, it just makes the 'gang' seem more superior than the 'underdogs', and I cba watching that.

[smeagol]

depends who up. lets face it once toya is gone. whoever is up next its wide open really
there's no other hate figures cept helen and shes safe.
so whoever is up next week wont matter if its to evict or not. unless someone does something amazing and ppl hate them for it

[Headie]

depends who up. lets face it once toya is gone. whoever is up next its wide open really
there's no other hate figures cept helen and shes safe.
so whoever is up next week wont matter if its to evict or not. unless someone does something amazing and ppl hate them for it

Uhm no, Steven will go next, followed by Danielle/Marlon (unless Helen gets her pass revoked).

Ashleigh, Winston, Chris and Christopher will never get evicted until the final. That's a cert. This series has been so predictable and we're only 3 weeks in

[Loukas]

People that like Toya need to vote for Ash, it's as simple as that. It's only Monday, we've got all week to try and save Toya!!

[smeagol]

Uhm no, Steven will go next, followed by Danielle/Marlon (unless Helen gets her pass revoked).

Ashleigh, Winston, Chris and Christopher will never get evicted until the final. That's a cert. This series has been so predictable and we're only 3 weeks in

i said depends who is up and who has power and what the twist is
but it will be pretty open

lets say mathew, christopher jale and chris are up next week which im sure they will be. who would go? there's no obvious ones. even if added winston or ash or ahsleigh or kim in a vote to evict who would the public dislike enough to vote.
steven yea he would go but he might even be up. they wont nom him now,

[Mystic Mock]

People that like Toya need to vote for Ash, it's as simple as that. It's only Monday, we've got all week to try and save Toya!!

But why is it between Toya and Ash to leave this week? They do way more than the likes of Marlon, Jale, Danielle, Chris, and Winston.

The public just love voting out anyone that doesn't behave like a robot or a victim.

[MrMinaj]

People that like Toya need to vote for Ash, it's as simple as that. It's only Monday, we've got all week to try and save Toya!!

its never going to happen.
'sisterhood' does not exist anymore, the women stick up for the men, and the men stick up for the men :joker: just look at the official BB facebook page. Toya is a goner.

also might i add there is a hell of alot of casual racism going on on that FB page! :nono:

[Josy]

Not this nonsense again :bored:

Its an opinion and others do have them.

[Headie]

Its an opinion and others do have them.

It was a joke. Lighten up lmao

.

[Mystic Mock]

How about culling the dull and finally vote out one of the Team Dull members? Their self-righteous, boring, self-pitying, and fake even by BB standards.

[MrMinaj]

How about culling the dull and finally vote out one of the Team Dull members? Their self-righteous, boring, self-pitying, and fake even by BB standards.

i think they should have just kept VTS. i know some forum memebers (like me :laugh:) sound like a broken record, but i simply cannot fathom why they are using VTE??
i know its been said its down to Ben Frow and his preference, but they change it for the celebrity series which basically means ''we can afford to lose characters on the civilian series because VTE brings in more $$ but we need to keep our big bucks celebs so will use VTS for that''

[Mystic Mock]

i think they should have just kept VTS. i know some forum memebers (like me :laugh:) sound like a broken record, but i simply cannot fathom why they are using VTE??
i know its been said its down to Ben Frow and his preference, but they change it for the celebrity series which basically means ''we can afford to lose characters on the civilian series because VTE brings in more $$ but we need to keep our big bucks celebs so will use VTS for that''

Sadly though the public still wouldn't cull Team Dull on a VTS unless they was all forced up against each other.

[MrMinaj]

Sadly though the public still wouldn't cull Team Dull on a VTS unless they was all forced up against each other.

but they would, it would happen naturally, for example Toya would stay this week, and more than likely Marlon would go.

[joeysteele]

i think they should have just kept VTS. i know some forum memebers (like me :laugh:) sound like a broken record, but i simply cannot fathom why they are using VTE??
i know its been said its down to Ben Frow and his preference, but they change it for the celebrity series which basically means ''we can afford to lose characters on the civilian series because VTE brings in more $$ but we need to keep our big bucks celebs so will use VTS for that''

I agree they should have used vote to save,(here's another broken record:joker:).
I am aware that I would have been thwarted possibly in getting Pauline voted out but I am a supporter of vote to save because it is then,especially with there being 5 and 6 housemates up for eviction, really hard to focus and arrange votes to evict a housemate.

I also think with vote to save, there would likely be little question of Toya going on friday too,again with so many up.

[reece(:]

VTE is heaven for misogynists.

[Mystic Mock]

VTE is heaven for misogynists.

Are you saying that women hate each other lol?

[billy123]

VTE is heaven for misogynists.What complete and utter nonsense. we all know you are feeling angry and and are mad that Toya is getting the boot but at least back up any stupid claims you make otherwise they are pointless.

[Loukas]

But why is it between Toya and Ash to leave this week? They do way more than the likes of Marlon, Jale, Danielle, Chris, and Winston.

The public just love voting out anyone that doesn't behave like a robot or a victim.

Ash because according to polls from various fan sites Ash is Toya's biggest threat, he's more likely to leave over everyone else (excluding Toya) that's why Toya fans need to vote for Ash imo, plus Ash leaving will shoot Team 'popular' in the foot. Marlon and Toya will produce more entertaining arguments so I think Marlon should stay. It's an entertainment program, I want to watch entertainment and 'Hurricane Toya' was entertaining.

[Mystic Mock]

Marlon is apart of Team Dull though? He doesn't do much and is just a grade above the two pretty girls.

[starry]

The crowd at the evictions is just weird and it just feels fake and organised. I suppose so few turn up now they try and give the illusion of a lot of people by co-ordinating them shouting together. It's all 'Get Pauline out' and then as she leaves 'Pauline! Pauline!' like they suddenly support her. It's too fake, like a kiddies pantomine.

And with vote to evict the stupid men like Winston and Ash will obviously go far as the producers push them as the sweethearts of the fans.

[Loukas]

Marlon is apart of Team Dull though? He doesn't do much and is just a grade above the two pretty girls.

He doesn't do much that's true but his and Toya's relationship will be more interesting to watch! :smug: