'Dragged Up'

[Josy]

Was there any need at all for Toya to completely disrespect Marlon's parents and family like that?

She has no idea at all what his background is ffs.

[Lostie!]

Did she say that? That's disappointing, I never respect it when people bring up others' parents, upbringing, etc.

[Marsh.]

Completely disgusting. I hate it when anyone's family is brought into it like that.

I don't even think it's right when Helen's son is mentioned.

[LukeB]

yes because he wasnt raised proberly he calls women t's and c's and critise there looks

[Drew.]

She takes things to a personal level, horrible gobby scrub.

[Tom4784]

I thought it was spot on, Marlon has been dragged up and you can tell that by the way he acts.

[Josy]

yes because he wasnt raised proberly he calls women t's and c's and critise there looks

Wow.

[Headie]

Yes because calling her a t*** and a bitch was definitely called for?

[Jordan.]

the proof is in the pudding http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/cat_zpsa5a1f50a.png

[Marsh.]

yes because he wasnt raised proberly he calls women t's and c's and critise there looks

Then I could also question whether Toya's upbringing has contributed to her aggressive, egotistical, selfish, shouty personality.

But I doubt it.

[Josy]

I thought it was spot on, Marlon has been dragged up and you can tell that by the way he acts.

That's a hell of an assumption, blaming someone's parents for the way they act.

[00Jamie00]

She thinks she is better than anyone else

By the way did you know she has her on own tv show and had a law degree by the age of 22 :sleep: she's so obsessed

[Sophiee]

I didn't hear this but what a shameful comment :bored:

[Jake.]

the proof is in the pudding http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/cat_zpsa5a1f50a.png

:joker:

[Josy]

Yes because calling her a t*** and a bitch was definitely called for?

That's nothing to do with his parents, don't get your point?

[Marsh.]

She thinks she is better than anyone else

By the way did you know she has her on own tv show and had a law degree by the age of 22 :sleep: she's so obsessed

Yet at 29 she has nothing but a youtube channel, serious acne and Big Brother.

:idc:

[Vanessa]

She thinks she is better than anyone else

By the way did you know she has her on own tv show and had a law degree by the age of 22 :sleep: she's so obsessed

That is why i think she will go. She comes across as someone who feels superior to others.

[Lostie!]

yes because he wasnt raised proberly he calls women t's and c's and critise there looks

I thought it was spot on, Marlon has been dragged up and you can tell that by the way he acts.

the proof is in the pudding http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/cat_zpsa5a1f50a.png

So wrong.

Someone can be raised very well and turn out bad, someone can have a bad upbringing and come out of it decent. It's so ignorant to blame things on upbringing.

[Samm]

Are you forgetting that Marlon called her a ******* and about a bitch every 10 seconds

[Josy]

So wrong.

Someone can be raised very well and turn out bad, someone can have a bad upbringing and come out of it decent. It's so ignorant to blame things on upbringing.

Definitely.

[Josy]

Are you forgetting that Marlon called her a ******* and about a bitch every 10 seconds

Again that's nothing to do with his parents, don't get your point.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Well he called her a **** so

[Vicky.]

Hate when peoples families are brought into things :bored:

Also didn't really like the law comment..about her having a law degree at his age and him just working in optics..ok mother superior :umm2:

But he was a ****ing tit too.

[RodHull]

yes because he wasnt raised proberly he calls women t's and c's and critise there looks

But she doesnt do any of that right... oh hang on

None of them have covered themselves in glory over the last 2 days but honestly shes a terrible woman, and totally up her own a**e... I have a law degree, I have my own program in Nigeria (yet isnt on CBB) shes a total joke

[Me. I Am Salman]

the proof is in the pudding http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/cat_zpsa5a1f50a.png

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/icons/icon11.gif

[Vicky.]

Also my parents NEVER swore around me when I was a child but I swear like a trouper now :blush2:

How someone behaves as an adult isn't always down to parenting...

[Samm]

Again that's nothing to do with his parents, don't get your point.

But she did have a reason too, She didn't even say anything that bad

[Amy Jade]

She was right. Calling a woman a c... on TV is repulsive. His parents should have raised him better.

[Lostie!]

Well he called her a **** so

Yes, her. Not her parents.

I'm not defending Marlon, I've been more on Toya's side in this whole argument, but the point of this thread is that she brought his parents and upbringing into it.

[Tom4784]

That's a hell of an assumption, blaming someone's parents for the way they act.

Not at all, it's easy enough to tell that his upbringing was flawed. You can spot it a mile off.

[Josy]

But she did have a reason too, She didn't even say anything that bad

That's nothing to do with the thread though..

[Doogle]

I thought it was spot on, Marlon has been dragged up and you can tell that by the way he acts.

Spot on indeed

[RodHull]

But she did have a reason too, She didn't even say anything that bad

Apart from calling him pathetic, stupid, boring, fat, beastly (I mean wtf) ... she hates his guts and is totally targetting him, I dont like him either but all his points about her were valid, and she is a ******* tbh

[Headie]

That's nothing to do with his parents, don't get your point?

His parents haven't taught him how to treat women properly? Thought my post kinda suggested that.

[smudgie]

Can you actually gain a law degree by the age of 22 ..that must take some doing

[Brother Leon]

It's funny when most parents would be ashamed if how she is acting herself :laugh:

[Yoshi888]

I really hope she goes on friday

[ruiphillips]

She is truly vile.

[Lostie!]

Not at all, it's easy enough to tell that his upbringing was flawed. You can spot it a mile off.

You've said this twice now. Care to elaborate? I'd love to know what tells you for a fact that his actions are mainly down to his upbringing as opposed to other factors (like, that just being his personality, for example).

[RodHull]

Can you actually gain a law degree by the age of 22 ..that must take some doing

Yeah you get them from a bloke in Nigeria who sells lottery tickets he works outside the studio she films her program in... :dance:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yes, her. Not her parents.

I'm not defending Marlon, I've been more on Toya's side in this whole argument, but the point of this thread is that she brought his parents and upbringing into it.

Like others had said if he calls not just women, but another person a prick, bitch and a **** then it shows his bringing up was not great. Its disgusting.

[Marsh.]

Some people who have gone through the worst upbringing possible, even abuse, turn out perfectly respectable and decent human beings.

Some people who have gone through the most normal, good upbringings then go on to be awful.

Him calling someone a ******* is no reason to drag his family into it. Nobody knows the family/upbringing situation of any of the housemates. Disgusting to bring their loved ones into it.

[andybigbro]

I think it's more because he was such an arsehole he's incapable of being brought up properly, so his parents had to drag him.

[Lostie!]

His parents obviously didn't raise him well for how he treats & talks about women, let alone the disgusting language he uses [Not swearing, constant use of the c bomb]

His parents haven't taught him how to treat women properly? Thought my post kinda suggested that.

How do you know this, though? There's literally ZERO proof that his parents raised him to be like that. It's really very lazy to just base it all on the background of the person.

You can be raised to be respectful and still turn out differently.

[Drew.]

People who have gone through the worst upbringing possible, even abuse, turn out perfectly respectable and decent human beings.

People who have gone through the most normal, good upbringings then go on to be awful.

Him calling someone a ******* is no reason to drag his family into it. Nobody knows the family/upbringing situation of any of the housemates. Disgusting to bring their loved ones into it.

:worship:

[MeMyselfAndI]

How do you know this, though? There's literally ZERO proof that his parents raised him to be like that. It's really very lazy to just base it all on the background of the person.

You can be raised to be respectful and still turn out differently.

I'm allowed my opinion :smug:

[Lostie!]

Like others had said if he calls not just women, but another person a prick, bitch and a **** then it shows his bringing up was not great. Its disgusting.

No, it doesn't. Again, no proof or real basis for those claims.

How do you people explain siblings who turn out totally different despite having the same upbringing?

[Marsh.]

I'm allowed my opinion :smug:

On someone or something you don't even know?

That invalidates your opinion. :smug:

[smeagol]

she went to far. he talks a big talk but he is quite tragic. no need to go to low on people like that. he isnt the devil

[Kazanne]

That's a hell of an assumption, blaming someone's parents for the way they act.

I agree,my God the hypocrisy on here,how many times did Toya call him a twat? and other things.

[reece(:]

where are the lies though?

[Dash Darington]

To hear some of you tell it, a good upbringing is worthless because it has no bearing on how a person will behave later in life.

It's hilarious how ignorant some of you are in your pretentions of being enlightened.

[Vanessa]

I agree,my God the hypocrisy on here,how many times did Toya call him a twat? and other things.

And having a go at Marlon because of the job he does. :bored:

[Tom4784]

You've said this twice now. Care to elaborate? I'd love to know what tells you for a fact that his actions are mainly down to his upbringing as opposed to other factors (like, that just being his personality, for example).

It's fairly obvious just watching how he acts.

His misogynistic streak is a big tell, misogyny can often be linked to mother issues, it's not the only cause but it's a probable one. Secondly, the immaturity, an immature adult is a surefire sign that something was lacking during their upbringing. He acts like a child because he doesn't know how to act like an adult. Distant or overprotective parents, both as damaging as each other.

[Lostie!]

To hear some of you tell it, a good upbringing is worthless because it has no bearing on how a person will behave later in life.

It's hilarious how ignorant some of you are in your pretentions of being enlightened.

Nobody said that.

The point is that the person's upbringing doesn't always decide how they will turn out. It's not as simple as "person shows disrespect = bad upbringing". Sure, many times the upbringing does effect this stuff, but not all the time. That's what people are saying.

Nobody said that renders a good upbringing worthless.

As for "ignorant", slamming someone's parents while knowing nothing of the facts regarding their upbringing isn't ignorant then?

[Kazanne]

To hear some of you tell it, a good upbringing is worthless because it has no bearing on how a person will behave later in life.

It's hilarious how ignorant some of you are in your pretentions of being enlightened.

Well if Marlon is classed as being 'dragged' up the same must go for Toya,who has belittled,shouted,and humiliated people,so her parents didn't do a great job on her either

[Marsh.]

And having a go at Marlon because of the job he does. :bored:

Yeah, how dare he not go away to law school. How dare he have a perfectly acceptable, regular job.

He should go to Nigeria and own his own youtube channel. Only then will he find true happiness. :idc:

[Kazanne]

And having a go at Marlon because of the job he does. :bored:

Yes,she was revelling in humiliating him,hope the gobby bint goes on Friday:hehe:

[andybigbro]

That's a hell of an assumption, blaming someone's parents for the way they act.

This is a debate that has gone on long in Psychology. So it's nothing new, many people believe that people's behaviour has a massive correlation with how they were raised.


I'm not condoning what Toya said, but I genuinely believe that Toya said this in regards to him being so incapable to be brought up correctly because of issues within himself, his parents had to drag him up.

[Vanessa]

Yes,she was revelling in humiliating him,hope the gobby bint goes on Friday:hehe:

Me too. And i hope Helen bows up on her. :devil:

[Marsh.]

And i hope Helen blows up on her. :devil:

You kinky mare. :evilgrin:

[Vanessa]

You kinky mare. :evilgrin:

Not in that way. :joker: I mean, she let Toya intimidate her. D:

[Kazanne]

You kinky mare. :evilgrin:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Vicky.]

To hear some of you tell it, a good upbringing is worthless because it has no bearing on how a person will behave later in life.

It's hilarious how ignorant some of you are in your pretentions of being enlightened.

Yeah, thats clearly been the majority view in here...

Good god. Noone has said that. Simply that upbringing isnt the be all and end all of every adults personality

[Amy Jade]

Apart from calling him pathetic, stupid, boring, fat, beastly
She's not lying.

[RodHull]

She's not lying.

Neither was he when he called her a c ***

#truth

[Miranda123]

Was there any need at all for Toya to completely disrespect Marlon's parents and family like that?

She has no idea at all what his background is ffs.

That's who she is and so now we all know,,we should get back to the phones and vote her out!

[Lola844]

Yes Marlon is an idiot. So go ahead Toya tell him.

[Novo]

She sealed her fate completely with her comments tonight

[Colbert-Bump]

Toya been brilliant on the show in the last few episodes but her treatment of Marlon since Day 1 has been awful. He's probably a decent guy under all the bulls**t but the way she talks about him is doing her no favors on eviction week.

[Marsh.]

Every time I see this thread I expect to see Marlon dressed in drag.

[armand.kay]

It's funny when most parents would be ashamed if how she is acting herself :laugh:

If I acted how Toya is acting my parents would be abit off put by my behaviour, but if I was to sit on tv and call a woman the C word and a bitch every 4 seconds they wold be repulsed.

[armand.kay]

Toya was talking about how she had just dragged Marlon to the pits not about His parents. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/cat_zpsa5a1f50a.png

[Ammi]

I agree,my God the hypocrisy on here,how many times did Toya call him a twat? and other things.


..tbf though, we're all guilty of that to a degree or most of us..(I think I've only ever seen a few people posting who I would personally say are totally 'fair' with their views..) and look at things completely objectively regardless of their favourites...and not just in this BB either...probably also in real life because we 'judge' each situation separately and see differences in them etc...(actually I've lost my train of thought ..:laugh:..)..