Surrey : School fury as boy, 7, does a Suarez

[arista]

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[A SCHOOLBOY aged seven could face expulsion
after biting a pal during
a footie match — to be like Luis Suarez.
Liverpool-mad schoolboy Harvey Eaglen
told shocked teachers he bit a
playground footie rival because
it was “what footballers do”.
Harvey, seven, nipped a classmate
on the wrist during a playground
kickabout — hours after watching
his Anfield idol Luis Suarez sink his
teeth into an opponent in the World Cup.
Harvey Eaglen
Lad Harvey Eaglen
Staff saw the bite, which was
said to have broken the other
lad’s skin, and banished Harvey
from the “pitch” before cancelling
his break-times for the rest of the day.
Harvey pretends to be Suarez when
he plays footie. When teachers asked
why he had bitten the other boy,
the confused nipper replied:
“Professional footballers do it” — referring
to serial chomper Suarez.
Harvey’s stunned mum Kathleen Cooke
was called to Poplars Community Primary School
in Lowestoft, Suffolk — and told her son
was on a final warning.
That means he could be expelled
if he puts another foot wrong.
But fuming Kathleen insisted her
son is being unfairly punished for
innocently trying to copy his hero.
She said: “It makes me so angry.
My son isn’t a biter. He told the
school biting is what footballers
do — and he was talking about Suarez.
I thought what Suarez did was disgusting.
When I found out my son had done it too I was furious.
“We’re trying to teach Harvey right from
wrong but what are we supposed to do
when he sees his heroes doing things like that?
“Suarez is supposed to be a role
model — all footballers are — but he never acts
like one. It’s not fair on boys like my son.
“We’re terrified he could be expelled
and he doesn’t deserve it. If he is it will
ruin his life and it will be Suarez’s fault.” ]

from sun+online



http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5721323/Schoolboy-bites-pal-to-be-like-idol-Luis-Suarez.html




Sure Honey
but why put him Front Page?

[Samm]

ew why are people copying that rat

[Verbal]

If the boy doesn't know it's not right to bite another human being, then the parents are to blame not Suarez.

[arista]

If the boy doesn't know it's not right to bite another human being, then the parents are to blame not Suarez.



But his Mum says he watched on TV

[Verbal]

But his Mum says he watched on TV

I watched SAW the other day, doesn't mean i'm going to go out and crush someones head in a vice.

[Ninastar]

If the boy doesn't know it's not right to bite another human being, then the parents are to blame not Suarez.

lol exactly

[arista]

I watched SAW the other day, doesn't mean i'm going to go out and crush someones head in a vice.


You are not a child
nothing like what he viewed on daytime TV

[Pete.]

:bored:

[Verbal]

You are not a child
nothing like what he viewed on daytime TV

If a child is in your care, and something unexpectedly messed up happens infront of them. Then it should be explained exactly why it is wrong to the child. My bet is the parents laughed at it, which in his head gave the child the ok.

[T*]

But his Mum says he watched on TV
His parents haven't taught him to not re-enact everything he sees?
That's still the parents fault.

[T*]

You are not a child
nothing like what he viewed on daytime TV

Listen, When I was 8, I was allowed to play GTA 4. Before you say "OH MY GOD THE HUMANITY! WHY DID YOUR PARENTS LET YOU!" It's because my parents raised me well enough that they could trust me. I played GTA, A game full of Shooting, Death, and hookers. Did I renact anything? NO. Bad Parents not Bad TV.

[AnnieK]

Oh my god...it's not even close to bad parenting. It's something that probably happens in every playground every day, it's only an issue because of Suarez....parents will of course tell kids not to bite but you know what, sometimes kids do things they're not supposed to. Dear lord, calling someone a bad parent for what seems to be an isolated incidence is just crazy.

[Verbal]

Oh my god...it's not even close to bad parenting. It's something that probably happens in every playground every day, it's only an issue because of Suarez....parents will of course tell kids not to bite but you know what, sometimes kids do things they're not supposed to. Dear lord, calling someone a bad parent for what seems to be an isolated incidence is just crazy.

I never bit anyone in my life, i've never been bitten in my life. There is something wrong in the home if your child does that. Simple.

[arista]

If a child is in your care, and something unexpectedly messed up happens infront of them. Then it should be explained exactly why it is wrong to the child. My bet is the parents laughed at it, which in his head gave the child the ok.



His Mum was doing dinner


Sports on TV is not a problem for any parent
or should not be

[arista]

Listen, When I was 8, I was allowed to play GTA 4. Before you say "OH MY GOD THE HUMANITY! WHY DID YOUR PARENTS LET YOU!" It's because my parents raised me well enough that they could trust me. I played GTA, A game full of Shooting, Death, and hookers. Did I renact anything? NO. Bad Parents not Bad TV.


GTA4 is for Adults


Whoever let you
is criminal

[Verbal]

His Mum was doing dinner


Sports on TV is not a problem for any parent
or should not be

Read what I said, Arista

[AnnieK]

I never bit anyone in my life, i've never been bitten in my life. There is something wrong in the home if your child does that. Simple.

I dont agree. I have never bitten either but the fact of the matter is some kids do. Even at 7 they a whirling ball of frustrations, hormones etc and they are unable to express themselves sometimes which leads to frustrations that manifest in bad behaviour, be that temper tantrums, biting, sulking etc etc. If this child continues to bite without retribution it becomes a parenting issue. All toddlers bite when they are teething, no parent in their right mind allows it, because it bloody hurts so children are told biting is wrong.

[Kizzy]

Yes you have footage of footballers biting people on your telly box....

How about a *Parental guidance warning* before matches?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IA5nokOFh84/SmQsZCbjEVI/AAAAAAAADds/BS0dUEypyAg/s1600-h/jackass-warning.jpg

[arista]

Yes you have footage of footballers biting people on your telly box....

How about a *Parental guidance warning* before matches?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IA5nokOFh84/SmQsZCbjEVI/AAAAAAAADds/BS0dUEypyAg/s1600-h/jackass-warning.jpg


Yes could be a way forward.

[Samuel.]

What on earth would expelling a 7 year old achieve. Regardless of what influenced him, the idea that they could just chuck him out of school instead of helping him understanding the rights and the wrongs is absolutely ridiculous. 7 years old.

[arista]

What on earth would expelling a 7 year old achieve. Regardless of what influenced him, the idea that they could just chuck him out of school instead of helping him understanding the rights and the wrongs is absolutely ridiculous. 7 years old.



He is on a Final Warning
and Front Page

[Iceman]

But his Mum says he watched on TV
Thats a cop out. ...no way can you blame TV it's a stupid card to play

[Ammi]

..this is the Sun, right..?..so I don't think it's something you could really go on as being reported with any accuracy..and he was on a 'final warning' so there have obviously been several incidents, not necessarily biting but of hurting children because one incident would inly be a day or two exclusion and not a permanent one and I also know this particular school and their policies on behaviour..anyway, in general I do think it's a concern if a child is a 'biter' beyond the age of teething and something that would need to be addressed as a serious behaviour issue but I think the while football thing and association is really just nonsense tbh.....not that I would I take any of the story as anything other than 'slanted' ...

[Tom4784]

Totally the parent's fault, I watched all sorts on the TV when I was young but I knew better then to re-enact it.

[AnnieK]

So you never wrestled?

[Iceman]

Totally the parent's fault, I watched all sorts on the TV when I was young but I knew better then to re-enact it.
Exactly. If you want to say that about TV then why havent we all gotten a wine bottle went to our garden and done a kinga...

[Kizzy]

Well I'm no child psychologist but I am a parent, you can tell a child something is wrong till you're blue in the face.. but when their hero does something right or wrong they will still attempt to emulate their behaviour.

[Samuel.]

I don't think it's the parents fault. I don't think it's anybodies fault. It's just a 7 year old emulating something they saw on telly. Wrestling is a good example, I broke my nose at 10 from being drop kicked in the face :laugh: nobody was really to blame for that and that actually involved an injury - it wasn't done to intentionally hurt me we were kids messing about. It's a complete non-story to me. Kids being kids.

Obviously now it's the parents job to teach him he did wrong, but I don't know how the parent was supposed to predict he would do that.

[Iceman]

Well I'm no child psychologist but I am a parent, you can tell a child something is wrong till you're blue in the face.. but when their hero does something right or wrong they will still attempt to emulate their behaviour.
Not sure if I agree 100% with that. I understand your point but looking back for myself when I was a kid I liked eminem, kurt cobain etc. I havent pistol whipped anybody and im no heroin addict...I know its an extreme example but its the way I see the situation

[Crimson Dynamo]

Listen, When I was 8, I was allowed to play GTA 4. Before you say "OH MY GOD THE HUMANITY! WHY DID YOUR PARENTS LET YOU!" It's because my parents raised me well enough that they could trust me. I played GTA, A game full of Shooting, Death, and hookers. Did I renact anything? NO. Bad Parents not Bad TV.

Yes I have no problem with so called violent games for kids. I grew up with guns, grenades, knives, war games etc and so far I have committed no murders ad neither of my pals. I decide what my brats play and watch and not some group of censors who are guided by blame and legal issues/lawyers

[MTVN]

Just seems like playground frollicks to me, typical kids stuff really impersonating things their favourite players do for fun, it's a bit of a silly thing for him to have done but that's how kids learn a lot of the time. Agree with Annie that there's no need to cry bad parenting every time a little kid puts his toe slightly out of line

[Ammi]

...hmmm, I just don't see it as emulating something that is 'typical' to a sport though or justifying it because of what Soarez does..a wrestler wrestles...a footballer doesn't typically bite because on any level, biting is not 'normal' or acceptable behaviour beyond a child teething and whether there was a fault with the parents or not I can't see anything but an exclusion being the result of what he did...if he's facing a possible permanent one then this can't be the only incident and there must be other behaviour problems which have probably been on going, hence the final warning...

..the fault that I do see with the parents is that they seem to be looking more at 'blame' than addressing the behaviour issues of their child....

[Ammi]

..oh by the by Arista..the threat title says Surrey but the school is in Suffolk...

[Kizzy]

Not sure if I agree 100% with that. I understand your point but looking back for myself when I was a kid I liked eminem, kurt cobain etc. I havent pistol whipped anybody and im no heroin addict...I know its an extreme example but its the way I see the situation

Did eminem or kurt do those things on TV when you were 7? Wow what terrible parents letting you watch that ;)

[michael21]

ew why are people copying that rat

he only 7 to be fair :nono::nono::nono:

what you excuse

[AnnieK]

...hmmm, I just don't see it as emulating something that is 'typical' to a sport though or justifying it because of what Soarez does..a wrestler wrestles...a footballer doesn't typically bite because on any level, biting is not 'normal' or acceptable behaviour beyond a child teething and whether there was a fault with the parents or not I can't see anything but an exclusion being the result of what he did...if he's facing a possible permanent one then this can't be the only incident and there must be other behaviour problems which have probably been on going, hence the final warning...

..the fault that I do see with the parents is that they seem to be looking more at 'blame' than addressing the behaviour issues of their child....

It isn't typical to footballers but Suarez is this kids hero. He always pretends to be him. It's been all over the news, papers, internet etc what Suarez has done so it would be easy for the child to emulate. As you said in an earlier post, it's in the Sun and so not the most reliable if media outlets anyway and so it doesn't explain what kind if expulsion he has been threatened with. I find it hard to lay blame on the parents for his actions really. They are guilty of putting it in the public domain but how many kids are told things are wrong by their parents but do it anyway. I was told time and time again not to throw stones in the garden, punished, threatened etc but I still did it. My parents were bloody fantastic but it was they couldn't watch me all the time. Kids are wilful and disobedient at times....they learn by mistakes and teachings from grown ups...I'm sure after this the child will hopefully have learned a very tough lesson.

[Ninastar]

What on earth would expelling a 7 year old achieve. Regardless of what influenced him, the idea that they could just chuck him out of school instead of helping him understanding the rights and the wrongs is absolutely ridiculous. 7 years old.

you get some really really ****ty 7 year olds these days.

[Ninastar]

...hmmm, I just don't see it as emulating something that is 'typical' to a sport though or justifying it because of what Soarez does..a wrestler wrestles...a footballer doesn't typically bite because on any level, biting is not 'normal' or acceptable behaviour beyond a child teething and whether there was a fault with the parents or not I can't see anything but an exclusion being the result of what he did...if he's facing a possible permanent one then this can't be the only incident and there must be other behaviour problems which have probably been on going, hence the final warning...

..the fault that I do see with the parents is that they seem to be looking more at 'blame' than addressing the behaviour issues of their child....

totally agree. Well said.

[Ammi]

It isn't typical to footballers but Suarez is this kids hero. He always pretends to be him. It's been all over the news, papers, internet etc what Suarez has done so it would be easy for the child to emulate. As you said in an earlier post, it's in the Sun and so not the most reliable if media outlets anyway and so it doesn't explain what kind if expulsion he has been threatened with. I find it hard to lay blame on the parents for his actions really. They are guilty of putting it in the public domain but how many kids are told things are wrong by their parents but do it anyway. I was told time and time again not to throw stones in the garden, punished, threatened etc but I still did it. My parents were bloody fantastic but it was they couldn't watch me all the time. Kids are wilful and disobedient at times....they learn by mistakes and teachings from grown ups...I'm sure after this the child will hopefully have learned a very tough lesson.




..the thing is Annie, I’m only talking about biting specifically and not any other type of behaviour or messing around or fighting or anything.. and it’s something that a child shouldn’t be doing beyond being a toddler when it can in some children be a ‘phase’ but something that they don’t carry on doing and 7yrs old is a big concern for a chid to be biting which is not in any way ‘typical’ for someone his age..it’s something we take very seriously in schools and because we’re advised to and I’ve only ever known one child who ‘bit’...I’m also guessing and it’s just because the article said that he had his last warning...(and I know the Sun isn’t credible so how much of this is accurate I don’t know..) that this isn’t the first time he’s either hurt or indeed before bit other children and maybe has some serious behaviour issues...I don’t necessarily assume his parents are responsible for those at all because I know how hard parents try but some issues are beyond their control but I do think that by laying blame on a football player or assuming that there is any bearing with that is not where their focus should be but on their child who is doing this and may be about to be excluded from primary school...for their son they really should be working with the school and not themselves laying blame or not understanding why the school is concerned....

[Verbal]

Yes I have no problem with so called violent games for kids. I grew up with guns, grenades, knives, war games etc and so far I have committed no murders ad neither of my pals. I decide what my brats play and watch and not some group of censors who are guided by blame and legal issues/lawyers

:suspect:

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[Achilles]

I think we should impose sanctions on Uruguay. We have to protect the children in the playground from harmful foreign influences. I heard that Uruguay have some secret WMDs. Wouldn't surprise me and makes me nervous. They could devastate the Falkland Islands if given the chance.

[Kizzy]

..the thing is Annie, I’m only talking about biting specifically and not any other type of behaviour or messing around or fighting or anything.. and it’s something that a child shouldn’t be doing beyond being a toddler when it can in some children be a ‘phase’ but something that they don’t carry on doing and 7yrs old is a big concern for a chid to be biting which is not in any way ‘typical’ for someone his age..it’s something we take very seriously in schools and because we’re advised to and I’ve only ever known one child who ‘bit’...I’m also guessing and it’s just because the article said that he had his last warning...(and I know the Sun isn’t credible so how much of this is accurate I don’t know..) that this isn’t the first time he’s either hurt or indeed before bit other children and maybe has some serious behaviour issues...I don’t necessarily assume his parents are responsible for those at all because I know how hard parents try but some issues are beyond their control but I do think that by laying blame on a football player or assuming that there is any bearing with that is not where their focus should be but on their child who is doing this and may be about to be excluded from primary school...for their son they really should be working with the school and not themselves laying blame or not understanding why the school is concerned....

There's nothing at all to suggest he has issues, and nobody is saying the school weren't right to punish him. The parents have stated he was aware that the behaviour was wrong and they're not condoning his actions.. The article highlights why he bit, the reasoning behind his action as explained by the boy at the time, therefore it does have a bearing here.
The school has a right to be concerned naturally but also a duty to work with the parents to educate the lad into accepting that this behaviour even by your favourite 'sportsperson' is wrong.

[Ramsay]

He's 7 years old. he'll learn from this. was bound to happen eventually

[Ammi]

...’a final warning’ would indicate that there have been other issues with the child so I think it’s reasonable to assume there have been other incidents of behavioural issues...and I know the article has given their reasons for him biting but I don’t really hold any credibility with The Sun and neither would I really assume the word of a 7yr old child because I wouldn’t know whether he did actually say that or in what circumstances etc..whether it was ‘suggested’ to him..none of that I could possibly know so I’m not going to assume that he did emulate anyone...the only thing with this that I do know is that particular school and its policies so I’m fairly certain that a permanent exclusion wouldn’t have been ‘warned’ on this one singular incident..only a very short one of a day probably...


..parents have a great responsibility to work with the school with things like this as well and laying blame and seeking publicity in a National newspaper would probably not be the best way and for that they are responsible but not necessarily for their son’s behaviour though..biting is wrong/physically hurting another child (or adult) in any way is wrong but the reasons that biting is of a particular concern in older children is that, with other behaviour issues/anger issues etc it can be an indication of Autism as autistic children have a lack of sensual awareness...I don’t know if this is the case with this child at all and have no information more than anyone else has from reading this story and the little information we’re given and how much of it is ‘fact’...so I’m only commenting on what we’ve been told which is the same for everyone and giving my thoughts on it....if it were with this child though that any type of behavioural disorder had been looked at or was being looked at in terms of a diagnosis and the school’s resources had been exhausted and with little progress to the child then a permanent exclusion would be the only thing because a mainstream school may not be the best thing for the child...one thing that really annoys me though and a bugbear of mine.. which is a bit off topic I know... is how long a child with behavioural/anger problems etc can have to wait to be diagnosed when school/parents are screaming at the ‘experts’ that this is not just a ‘naughty child or a phase’...and how stressful and frustrating that is to everyone involved including the child....

[Nedusa]

So the kid saw this on TV and copied it, wrong I know but not serious enough to be expelled over.

Usual over-reaction where has the common sense gone ?