New question: Do you think stripping is viewed as a respectable job?

[Samuel.]

I've been in a long debate with two of my female friends who both have considered becoming a stripper as they believe it to be good money as a part time job.

I completely oppose the idea and it's one of the few things I feel strongly against. I don't think they're respected whatsoever and are simply looked at as pieces of meat dancing around a pole and it's not a job to be desired, an opinion they're shocked I have.

They claim women are in fact taking advantage of men in the situation by racking in the money for little more than an almost-nude dance.

Would like to hear TiBB's perspective :pipe2:

[CaudleHalbard]

It's like prostitution : the sort of job people get because they (a) can't get anything else and (b) have little self-respect.

[Roy Mars III]

I've been in a long debate with two of my female friends who both have considered becoming a stripper as they believe it to be good money as a part time job.

I completely oppose the idea and it's one of the few things I feel strongly against. I don't think they're respected whatsoever and are simply looked at as pieces of meat dancing around a pole and it's not a job to be desired, an opinion they're shocked I have.

They claim women are in fact taking advantage of men in the situation by racking in the money for little more than an almost-nude dance.

Would like to hear TiBB's perspective :pipe2:

do you also have the same opinion about models?

[Roy Mars III]

It's like prostitution : the sort of job people get because they (a) can't get anything else and (b) have little self-respect.

Not really. It's a great job for a male or female who wants to make money while going to school (for example) . You make a hell of a lot more money than working at Burger King.

[CaudleHalbard]

Not really. It's a great job for a male or female who wants to make money while going to school (for example) . You make a hell of a lot more money than working at Burger King.
Your self-respect has to take second place to cash.

Not much different from prostitution in that way.

[Roy Mars III]

Your self-respect has to take second place to cash.

Not much different from prostitution in that way.

if you morally have no problem with doing it than I don't see the problem. Same with prostitution. Nudity and sex is nothing to be ashamed of so I don't see the problem with making money off your appearance. What's the difference between being a model advertizing a product and a stripper or even a prostitution? They are making money on being attractive. There is nothing wrong with that.

[Jack_]

Do I think a job where a woman is liberated enough to freely express her sexuality and use it to obtain power over and money from men is a respectable job? Without a shadow of a doubt.

Even if we're talking about strippers in general regardless of gender then I don't see the problem, if you don't want to be a stripper or use strippers then fair enough...but live and let live with regards to other people :shrug: I don't see why respect needs to come into it, if both parties involved are getting what they want out of it then no one else needs to be concerned really

[CaudleHalbard]

I'm not passing judgment. Prostitution is said to be the 'oldest profession'.

Stripping and so-called glamour modelling are a bit newer. That's all. All in the same broad category! ;)

[Kizzy]

It's like prostitution : the sort of job people get because they (a) can't get anything else and (b) have little self-respect.

That's a very narrow view, I was at college with two beautiful girls who were pole dancers.. They were normal happy young women.

[MTVN]

Don't really think strippers should have anything to be ashamed of, they're free to use their bodies as they wish for their own gain and they have complete control over the situation; all the rules and regulations that strip clubs have are to protect the dancers and the punters aren't able to take advantage or anything like that. I wouldn't think that many people would consider it a profession to aspire to but if they're comfortable with it then there are worse ways to earn less money

[Ammi]

..yeah, it's no more or less 'respectable' than any other job and I would say that if someone doesn't respect that or anyone who strips then that would reflect more on them and their 'judgements'......

[michael21]

I've been in a long debate with two of my female friends who both have considered becoming a stripper as they believe it to be good money as a part time job.

I completely oppose the idea and it's one of the few things I feel strongly against. I don't think they're respected whatsoever and are simply looked at as pieces of meat dancing around a pole and it's not a job to be desired, an opinion they're shocked I have.

They claim women are in fact taking advantage of men in the situation by racking in the money for little more than an almost-nude dance.

Would like to hear TiBB's perspective :pipe2:

well what do you class as a respectable job? binman lollipop person trolley person

if you freinds what to do that job then i see no reason why they cant as long as there over 18 it would be safer to do webcam stuff as no one will be able to stalk them or murder them just saying tell them good luck form me

[Samuel.]

do you also have the same opinion about models?

The sexualisation of a stripper is a lot greater than a model typically.

To me modelling is a couple of notches below stripping. Their can be artistic intentions there, it's not necessarily all about sex and it's a still image. I don't think nude modelling is particularly respectable either, though.

To clarify I'm not saying I look down on the people that do strip, I'm saying the vast majority do and thus I feel like you're looked at as lowering yourself to be seen as an object purely for sexual desire in the most extreme setting. I wouldn't feel comfortable with close friends being judged in such a way, my business or not.

Would you feel perfectly fine dating one knowing dozens of men every night get off on the bare body that she's fronting in their direction to make money? I personally couldn't.

[Samuel.]

I half expected this consensus, maybe I should have titled it different :p it's more the general view of those going to strip clubs that in this situation leaves me uncomfortable with the it rather than my own personal feelings towards the job itself.

Sadly I don't think TiBBers represent the demographic that are going to strip clubs.

[CaudleHalbard]

That's a very narrow view, I was at college with two beautiful girls who were pole dancers.. They were normal happy young women.
They'll probably regret the mobile phone photos which go up on the web when they are in respectable jobs and/or happily married women. Lol! :D

[Verbal]

Tell them to just become cam girls they make a fortune :joker:

[Smithy]

I half expected this consensus, maybe I should have titled it different :p it's more the general view of those going to strip clubs that in this situation leaves me uncomfortable with the it rather than my own personal feelings towards the job itself.

Men who are happy to hand over hard earned money to women who dance around taking their clothes off?

I imagine for the girls it'd feel great though :shrug:

[Roy Mars III]

The sexualisation of a stripper is a lot greater than a model typically.

To me modelling is a couple of notches below stripping. Their can be artistic intentions there, it's not necessarily all about sex and it's a still image. I don't think nude modelling is particularly respectable either, though.

To clarify I'm not saying I look down on the people that do strip, I'm saying the vast majority do and thus I feel like you're looked at as lowering yourself to be seen as an object purely for sexual desire in the most extreme setting. I wouldn't feel comfortable with close friends being judged in such a way, my business or not.

Would you feel perfectly fine dating one knowing dozens of men every night get off on the bare body that she's fronting in their direction to make money? I personally couldn't.

I get what you are saying. People do look down on people who strip, but people judge people for many things and honestly I don't think most people care as much anymore.

I would date a stripper sure. I am irrationally judgmental but that doesn't bother me.

[MTVN]

Those who go to strip clubs aren't really bad people either in most cases I'd say, you might get a few blokes who are a bit sleazy but so what, not really like they can do anything untoward seeing as most strip clubs have pretty strict rules in place

[Roy Mars III]

Those who go to strip clubs aren't really bad people either in most cases I'd say, you might get a few blokes who are a bit sleazy but so what, not really like they can do anything untoward seeing as most strip clubs have pretty strict rules in place

oh yea, I've been 3 or 4 times, its just normal dudes.

its the people wearing sweatpants that you have to look out for though

[Marsh.]

That's a very narrow view, I was at college with two beautiful girls who were pole dancers.. They were normal happy young women.

Your "friends" eh Kiz? :evilgrin:

[Kazanne]

What is the point of people stripping and why do people want to pay to watch another person strip,LOL,havent most of us seen it all before.:hehe:

[Verbal]

What is the point of people stripping and why do people want to pay to watch another person strip,LOL,havent most of us seen it all before.:hehe:

Well you see when a man and a woman love each other very very much...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Respectable job?

what is that. Is working in Asda respectable or flipping burgers?

Is working for a casino or bookie respectable?

What about working for bank?

[Samuel.]

Do you think stripping is viewed as a respectable job would have been a more fitting question

[Kazanne]

Well you see when a man and a woman love each other very very much...

:joker: I know all that Verbs,I just wouldn't pay money to see anyone strip:hehe:Men have willies ,ladies have foo foos,I don't need to be shown:hehe:

[Jake.]

Not really. It's a great job for a male or female who wants to make money while going to school (for example) . You make a hell of a lot more money than working at Burger King.

I'd rather do what I've done for the past 2 and a half years than dance around a pole

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you think stripping is viewed as a respectable job would have been a more fitting question

Perhaps in a top gig in LOndon but mainly no

[Vicky.]

Don't see it as much different to prostitution really. And neither I have a problem with, its their life.

[Tom4784]

I think it depends on what kind of stripper they want to be and where they want to work. Some places are more respectable than others and Pole Dancing is seen as a bit of an art form these days in comparison to say, someone that works in a private booth.

[smudgie]

Any job is respectable..as long as it is honest.

[Firewire]

**** yes, they make a lot of money. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[InOne]

I see it as more cool than respectable. They live the life and get decent money for it. Good on them. Strippers are usually quite switched on and know what they're doing.

[Ninastar]

They can make crazy money and if they are brave/desperate enough to do so then I have no problem with it... At least they actually have a job

[Achilles]

I have huge respect for all women who work in the sex industry, not just strippers. There is no reason for me to disrespect them at all. If they enjoyed killing people, stealing from people, lying to people etc then I would have no respect for them. If they enjoy making me and other men (and women) aroused, that deserves respect because it is a nice thing to do and not a nasty or evil thing to do. So as long as they don't go from working in sex industry to being a politician or banker, I respect them all.
I will never jump on the war and violence is good and sex is bad bandwagon. I like the sex is good and war and violence is bad bandwagon.

[Locke.]

Never been to a strip club when the stripper hasn't tried to take it further than just stripping for extra cash with either me or one of my friends. So no, not respectable at all in that sense.

[user104658]

If I was an attractive young female and I was being offered good money for it then I'd be straight on that pole. And if there are any ladies (or screw it... Men too!) who would like to give me money to get it all out then by all means, get out your chequebooks! :D

There's nothing "respectable" about minimum wage slog, despite what your grandparents might tell you. Hard graft for low pay isn't "honest", it's being exploited and trodden on... Anyone who does it long term and claims that their self respect hasn't been eroded is straight up lying. So what difference does it make, really, if stripping is "respectable" or not?

I also don't think it's really in the same ballpark as prostitution... Unless it's a seedy venue offering "extras".


That said, I don't particularly understand men who go to see strippers... Simple, drooling creatures. I mean yes, OK, we all like to see naked girls, it's not like I don't see the appeal there, but paying for it? Err... No thanks. A bit desperate, surely?

So I'd BE a stripper, but I wouldn't pay to see one. I guess, then, I think it's respectable to be paid to strip but not particularly respectable to be a punter.

[Josy]

Do I think it's respectable? Not at all. It's not a job I would be proud of.

To the ones that do it...If they can do it as a living and continue to be happy with themselves, wake up every morning and not have regrets about then fair play to them.

It's a very sleazy industry though IMO.

[Marc]

Strippers are human beings as well!!!!

[user104658]

Do I think it's respectable? Not at all. It's not a job I would be proud of.

To the ones that do it...If they can do it as a living and continue to be happy with themselves, wake up every morning and not have regrets about then fair play to them.

It's a very sleazy industry though IMO.

This is my point though... There are so many "legitimate" jobs that it would be a push to be "proud" to have. I'm not "proud" of my job, at a management level in a large UK+ wide company. It's not where I saw myself when I was studying (... Lol...) at University and it's not what I dreamed of as a child. I don't particularly like it at all. But, it's just a job. And many industries are very sleazy.

So, obviously it's no one's dream profession, but my question would be... If you can't be doing what you WOULD be proud of, is stripping any worse? And what if the stripping is to pay towards eventually getting into that dream career? What if that would be impossible on minimum wage slog (very probable)? I don't see how it's more respectful to demote yourself to a wage slave cog, forever, than to strip for 5 years to get into a career you actually want...

Like I said, there is NOTHING respectable about permanent low wage slog for big companies. Nothing at all.

[Josy]

Do you think stripping is viewed as a respectable job would have been a more fitting question

Just noticed this other question..

I think it's viewed by a lot of people as being, degrading, sleazy, dirty so no I don't think it's seen as a respectable job.

Some strippers are ashamed of what they do and won't actually admit to that being their job, it could possibly have negative affects on future careers too I suppose?

And it's all good and well saying they make great money, sadly for a lot of strippers the job also has very negative impacts on their lives.

I don't think it does any good for women, I'm not one that believes the 'empowerment' arguments either.

[Josy]

This is my point though... There are so many "legitimate" jobs that it would be a push to be "proud" to have. I'm not "proud" of my job, at a management level in a large UK+ wide company. It's not where I saw myself when I was studying (... Lol...) at University and it's not what I dreamed of as a child. I don't particularly like it at all. But, it's just a job. And many industries are very sleazy.

So, obviously it's no one's dream profession, but my question would be... If you can't be doing what you WOULD be proud of, is stripping any worse? And what if the stripping is to pay towards eventually getting into that dream career? What if that would be impossible on minimum wage slog (very probable)? I don't see how it's more respectful to demote yourself to a wage slave cog, forever, than to strip for 5 years to get into a career you actually want...

Like I said, there is NOTHING respectable about permanent low wage slog for big companies. Nothing at all.

That's all fair enough points but the OP is specifically asking about stripping, not if working the till at the local chippy or working at a low paid management level in a fast food outlet etc is seen as a respectable job.

Of course a lot of people wont be proud of the jobs they are in but then theres also a lot of people that are very proud of the hard work they do regardless of their position/job.

[Ninastar]

Just noticed this other question..

I think it's viewed by a lot of people as being, degrading, sleazy, dirty so no I don't think it's seen as a respectable job.

Some strippers are ashamed of what they do and won't actually admit to that being their job, it could possibly have negative affects on future careers too I suppose?

And it's all good and well saying they make great money, sadly for a lot of strippers the job also has very negative impacts on their lives.

I don't think it does any good for women, I'm not one that believes the 'empowerment' arguments either.

Well said

[MTVN]

I do agree that we shouldn't romanticise stripping or make it out to be that desirable a job, I remember watching a documentary C4 did on strippers a while back and a lot of them didn't like it, mainly because the hours are awful and I think they don't generally get paid by the club, all their money is from the dances they earn themselves so some nights they could work for hours and not get much money at all. And there's the obvious issue that some don't feel that comfortable with the nature of the job. Then you get different levels of stripping as well, a girl working somewhere like Stringfellows is obviously going to be in a better position than someone working in a dodgy back street joint on a weekday night.

But yeah, I don't think it's inherently a respectable job or an unrespectable one, its the sort of thing thats hard to make blanket statements about because experiences can be so varied

[Kizzy]

I have huge respect for all women who work in the sex industry, not just strippers. There is no reason for me to disrespect them at all. If they enjoyed killing people, stealing from people, lying to people etc then I would have no respect for them. If they enjoy making me and other men (and women) aroused, that deserves respect because it is a nice thing to do and not a nasty or evil thing to do. So as long as they don't go from working in sex industry to being a politician or banker, I respect them all.
I will never jump on the war and violence is good and sex is bad bandwagon. I like the sex is good and war and violence is bad bandwagon.

So as long as you see them only as a walking fanny then?

The issue I have is the idea of people as a disposable commodity and dehumanised, the sex industry has a rotten core and is rife with violence and exploitation.

With regard to stripping/dancing I don't have as much of an issue funnily providing she came to it of her own volition, as there's no physical contact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I spent a fortune in Stringfellows in London in the late 90s (with clients before anyone starts)

The girls in there were seriously hot and well paid

[Achilles]

So as long as you see them only as a walking fanny then?

The issue I have is the idea of people as a disposable commodity and dehumanised, the sex industry has a rotten core and is rife with violence and exploitation.

With regard to stripping/dancing I don't have as much of an issue funnily providing she came to it of her own volition, as there's no physical contact.

We are sexual beings. Having sex does not dehumanize anyone. Looking at a man or a woman and wanting to have sex with them does not dehumanize either. War and violence dehumanizes and treats people as a disposable commodity, not sex. Looking at a man or a woman and wanting to kill them or be violent towards them dehumanizes that person.

[Kazanne]

Just noticed this other question..

I think it's viewed by a lot of people as being, degrading, sleazy, dirty so no I don't think it's seen as a respectable job.

Some strippers are ashamed of what they do and won't actually admit to that being their job, it could possibly have negative affects on future careers too I suppose?

And it's all good and well saying they make great money, sadly for a lot of strippers the job also has very negative impacts on their lives.

I don't think it does any good for women, I'm not one that believes the 'empowerment' arguments either.

Yes , and there is always that wifey /hubby who is left at home while hubby/wifey Is out ogling , cant be nice for her/him, and can cause problems in relationships , so no it's not a job I'de be proud of.

[Kizzy]

We are sexual beings. Having sex does not dehumanize anyone. Looking at a man or a woman and wanting to have sex with them does not dehumanize either. War and violence dehumanizes and treats people as a disposable commodity, not sex. Looking at a man or a woman and wanting to kill them or be violent towards them dehumanizes that person.

I didn't say sex dehumanized anyone did I?....

My comment was on the dark underbelly of the sex industry and the attitudes of some to those who work within it.