I've got a strange feeling that Helen will be liked by the time she gets out.

[Videostar]

I probably should take some cream for this feeling, but I can't help but think back to BB3 and Jade Goody, who was absolutely hated for the majority of her time in the house, but over the last couple of weeks she seemed to mellow a touch and she won over the viewers.

I have a feeling Helen can't get anymore hated and the only way is up for her.

I can't see myself ever liking the woman but HM's have turned things around before.

[erinp5]

She can never change Vids, vile runs through her .

[Samm]

no way

[Videostar]

She can never change Vids, vile runs through her .

Yes true.

But the same was said about Jade....although Jade did have a sweeter side to her (sometimes). :joker:

[Verbal]

She is already liked

[Kazanne]

I am liking her more now

[Mystic Mock]

Helen gets branded a bully every time she opens her mouth to anyone, I doubt that she could turn it around to being tolerated.

[Josy]

I would rather watch Helen than Danielle and Ashleigh tbh

[Jemal]

Shes my 5th fav.

[Gerbil901]

I am starting to warm to her.

[Johnnyuk123]

Yes people will like her to be out.

[Kazanne]

Helen gets branded a bully every time she opens her mouth to anyone, I doubt that she could turn it around to being tolerated.

Mocky,I really disliked her the first week,but I much prefer her now to the two moaning pink dressing gowns:laugh:

[erinp5]

From tonight's show imo Helen is desperate to pounce on Ashleigh but she has been warned by BB and she can't take the risk. There is no way Helen can keep her mouth shut when she has been plied with wine ...it's just a matter of time .

[Brother Leon]

Not a chance. People have made their mind up on her. She would have to save someone from death on camera for it to change.

[erinp5]

Big Brother UK housemate Helen Wood has taken another swipe at the viewers.



After previously branding the live eviction crowd on Friday night “******s” after they booed pal Ash, she’s now taken offence to having been booed herself.

In a late night chat with Ash and Marlon, Helen admitted: “If I didn’t have that ******ing pass [to the final], I really don’t know… I wouldn’t be here for a start, I’d be long gone.”

She told Ash: “They ******ing hate me, the public, can’t you hear them all shouting?

“Stupid ******ing *******s who shouts stuff.”



Asked if she had changed after hearing the boos, Helen revealed: “It kinda like wakes me up a bit but not for long because then I’ll just carry on as I always was.”

You certainly can’t claim that Helen isn’t self-aware!

Despite having her pass to the final, Helen is the huge outsider to actually manage to win the show at odds of 66/1.

By contrast, Jale, who will face eviction every week, is actually the favourite of the girls to win, given odds of 11/2.

And with Helen causing quite a stir inside and outside the house and Boylesports are offering 8/13 that her pass to the final will be revoked.


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[Mystic Mock]

Mocky,I really disliked her the first week,but I much prefer her now to the two moaning pink dressing gowns:laugh:

I think Ashleigh's offering entertainment, but I 100% agree with you on Danielle.

[Videostar]

Big Brother UK housemate Helen Wood has taken another swipe at the viewers.



After previously branding the live eviction crowd on Friday night “******s” after they booed pal Ash, she’s now taken offence to having been booed herself.

In a late night chat with Ash and Marlon, Helen admitted: “If I didn’t have that ******ing pass [to the final], I really don’t know… I wouldn’t be here for a start, I’d be long gone.”

She told Ash: “They ******ing hate me, the public, can’t you hear them all shouting?

“Stupid ******ing *******s who shouts stuff.”



Asked if she had changed after hearing the boos, Helen revealed: “It kinda like wakes me up a bit but not for long because then I’ll just carry on as I always was.”

You certainly can’t claim that Helen isn’t self-aware!

Despite having her pass to the final, Helen is the huge outsider to actually manage to win the show at odds of 66/1.

By contrast, Jale, who will face eviction every week, is actually the favourite of the girls to win, given odds of 11/2.

And with Helen causing quite a stir inside and outside the house and Boylesports are offering 8/13 that her pass to the final will be revoked.


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Has Helen just killed this thread I wonder. :joker:

[GypsyGoth]

The viewers won't see past her former job, to most of the public she'll always that.

For the last week or so I've started to like her, I think she's one of the best housemates in there and she's far from this pantomime villain that BB are presenting to us.

[Johnnyuk123]

Wayne's home now so she has appointments to keep.

[Johnnyuk123]

Loads of blokes like here. lol

[erinp5]

Loads of blokes like here. lol

but do you have a fiver .:hehe:

[smeagol]

if people start liking this vile disgrace of a human. i will give up on people for good.
i would give in that there is any decent people left at all

if this place went helen devil worshipers i'd close my account lol

[jet]

I could never like her, in fact I detest her. Just because she hasn't been openly vile to someone for the last 2 days won't change my mind. She still manages to get her little cruel digs in behind their backs instead of ranting like a fishwife in their faces. I haven't forgotten what she was like and what she will be like again.
Her warning from BB soon took the wind out of her sails from the 'I can't help it, me' excuse to someone who can help it very well when it suits her. Another drinking session and the poison in her will spew forth once again.

[Verbal]

Big Brother UK housemate Helen Wood has taken another swipe at the viewers.



After previously branding the live eviction crowd on Friday night “******s” after they booed pal Ash, she’s now taken offence to having been booed herself.

In a late night chat with Ash and Marlon, Helen admitted: “If I didn’t have that ******ing pass [to the final], I really don’t know… I wouldn’t be here for a start, I’d be long gone.”

She told Ash: “They ******ing hate me, the public, can’t you hear them all shouting?

“Stupid ******ing *******s who shouts stuff.”



Asked if she had changed after hearing the boos, Helen revealed: “It kinda like wakes me up a bit but not for long because then I’ll just carry on as I always was.”

You certainly can’t claim that Helen isn’t self-aware!

Despite having her pass to the final, Helen is the huge outsider to actually manage to win the show at odds of 66/1.

By contrast, Jale, who will face eviction every week, is actually the favourite of the girls to win, given odds of 11/2.

And with Helen causing quite a stir inside and outside the house and Boylesports are offering 8/13 that her pass to the final will be revoked.


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These rants, far from offending me, make me like her even more. She's brilliant.

[Kizzy]

I hope she is.

[jet]

if people start liking this vile disgrace of a human. i will give up on people for good.
i would give in that there is any decent people left at all

if this place went helen devil worshipers i'd close my account lol

There's no accounting for tastes smeagol. :shocked:

[smudgie]

Make that a very big pot of cream Videostar.
And put plenty on.

She is just vile through and through, can't find a redeeming thing about her.

[smeagol]

the way i see it. if someone can like a person thing like her.someone that vile then they are not the type of person i want to know.
we have our favs etc but that woman is evil , she is not some bitchy housemate she is a vile human being in every way.
i really dont get how anyone can truely like someone like that. it tells me a lot about people

[rionablue]

I don't think Helen will be liked when she leaves the house. She will probably get the most boos on final night than anyone has ever got in a final. I don't like her and I thought she was awful the first few weeks. I don't like her voice and I don't like the fact that she can be vicious when bitching about anyone. However after tonights episode I think I dislike Ashleigh more. Helen has bitched to peoples faces in many instances and told them how she feels about them. Ashleigh should be a big girl and tell whichever housemates she is bitching about with Danielle, just how she feels, and while she is at it try and mingle with at least SOME of the ****ing housemates

[Videostar]

Make that a very big pot of cream Videostar.
And put plenty on.

She is just vile through and through, can't find a redeeming thing about her.

Im just playing devils advocate. :joker:

[Verbal]

the way i see it. if someone can like a person thing like her.someone that vile then they are not the type of person i want to know.
we have our favs etc but that woman is evil , she is not some bitchy housemate she is a vile human being in every way.
i really dont get how anyone can truely like someone like that. it tells me a lot about people

Anybody would swear that she has murdered babies or something. She is loud, proud and upfront. Will tell people to their faces exactly what she think about them. I would much rather someone like that than someone who would just go off into a little group and slag me off behind my back.

[jet]

Anybody would swear that she has murdered babies or something. She is loud, proud and upfront. Will tell people to their faces exactly what she think about them. I would much rather someone like that than someone who would just go off into a little group and slag me off behind my back.

Since she got the warning she has been slagging people off behind their backs. I've heard her on several occasions. Did you not hear her slagging Ashleigh off to Kim and Jale tonight and Jale laughing her fool of a head off? She's lodged firmly up Helen's ass now.
Why doesn't Helen tell Ashleigh what she thinks of her then?

[Verbal]

Since she got the warning she has been slagging people off behind their backs. I've heard her on several occasions. Did you not hear her slagging Ashleigh off to Kim and Jale tonight and Jale laughing her fool of a head off? She's lodged firmly up Helen's ass now.
Why doesn't Helen tell Ashleigh what she thinks of her then?

I'm not saying she isn't averse to gossiping, she's a woman, it's what you all do... /sarcasm

What i'm saying is that she is not afraid to face up to somebody if the need arises. For that, I respect her.

[jet]

I'm not saying she isn't averse to gossiping, she's a woman, it's what you all do... /sarcasm

What i'm saying is that she is not afraid to face up to somebody if the need arises. For that, I respect her.

If the need arises? She faces up to people for the most trivial of things. :shocked: And you respect her vile rants? My my.
I'm a man too, by the way. :laugh:

[Achilles]

And so it begins :hehe:

[Verbal]

If the need arises? She faces up to people for the most trivial of things. :shocked: And you respect her vile rants? My my.
I'm a man too, by the way. :laugh:

Yes, if someone challenges her she will face up to them, I respect that. I find her 'vile rants' hilarious.

[rusticgal]

People may warm to her because she has calmed down.....the only reason she has calmed down and 'seemingly' more likeable is cos she is on her final warning for being a foul mouthed goby bitch.
She is totally holding back...and all of you who are starting to like her are oblivious to this fact.

[jet]

Yes, if someone challenges her she will face up to them, I respect that. I find her 'vile rants' hilarious.

Who challenged her? :conf:

[Verbal]

Who challenged her? :conf:

I'm sure you've watched the show, don't ask pointless questions.

[jet]

I'm sure you've watched the show, don't ask pointless questions.

lol In other words, nobody did and you're wriggling out of answering.

[Verbal]

lol In other words, nobody did and you're wriggling out of answering.

Not at all, why else would you and others on here be going on about her being gobby and all the rest of it? I'm just not going over information that we all know for the sake of scoring points and bogging down a thread.

[jet]

Not at all, why else would you and others on here be going on about her being gobby and all the rest of it? I'm just not going over information that we all know for the sake of scoring points and bogging down a thread.

You don't have to go over anything in detail to bog down the thread. Just give the names of those that challenged Helen and and why they did it. A few sentences will suffice.

[AarynGriesfan]

She's a horrible human being who the voting public will never like.

[psychtracker]

The odds of Helen winning are absolutely miniscule. I'd say there's at least a 50% chance she's either gonna 'walk', get ejected by BB for abusive behavior or lose the finals ticket.

If she does make it to the finals, on 'best behaviour', for the last week or so...she may pick up some votes for 'entertainment value', but i can't see her doing better than around 4th or 5th. Way too much baggage, plus we all know as long as she stays there..there will be many more abusive pissy rants to come.

[Ammi]

The odds of Helen winning are absolutely miniscule. I'd say there's at least a 50% chance she's either gonna 'walk', get ejected by BB for abusive behavior or lose the finals ticket.

If she does make it to the finals, on 'best behaviour', for the last week or so...she may pick up some votes for 'entertainment value', but i can't see her doing better than around 4th or 5th. Way too much baggage, plus we all know as long as she stays there..there will be many more abusive pissy rants to come.

..yeah, I fairly much agree with this...she went into the house with so many pre-conceived opinions from the public and she could have tried to change those a bit... but it's like she's put two fingers up to everyone since she's been in there..so I think the public are going to do the same to her as soon as they get the opportunity...

[JTM45]

She's a horrible human being who the voting public will never like.

I agree with you but i can't help grinning when i read a statement like that written by someone called 'AarynGriesfan'.:laugh:

[mrflibble]

I'm liking her less and less as the show goes on and she's been my least favourite since a few days in. She's consistently horrible and hypocritical and boring. Really cannot stand the woman. It's really unfortunate that she has to be the loudest person in the house, it would be so much better off without her.

[Patricia4]

I could never warm to her I didn't like her at the start and don't like her now.

[Northern Monkey]

Yep,I have that feeling too,I think it could possibly have been planned from the start.

[Razor]

I can't see it. Everyone I know who watches the show hates her.

[Robodog]

I would rather watch Helen than Danielle and Ashleigh tbh

I agree. Especially after the last two shows.

Danielle and Ashleigh's constant whisper-bitching is pathetic and far more irritating than Helen IMO.

In fact - the main reason anyone is warming to Helen - is because Danielle and Ashleigh are actually making Helen look better !

[MarcusMel]

One of the biggest problems about this forum and what people write is that they only see and hear what conforms to their knowledge and belief system. Reframing a viewpoint requires the ability to see the outside view looking in. Not an easy thing to do for people who are systematic or non-empathetic.

I like the phrase: People believe what they fear to be true or what they want to be true.

Why is Helen's former job despised? Could it be the fear that it is true for all young women one way or another, rather than seeing 'the job' as a way of confirming two people of unity of relationship, purpose and emotional satisfaction?

There was in 28th June BBOTPsych a very interesting clip of Helen at first saying the type of person she imagined herself to be followed by examples of her not being that person. From the outside empathetic people understand that she behaves opposite to how she would like to be because she feels as if the world is spitting on her and is fighting to feel internal contentment with herself.

Her constant feeling of inadequacy is her weakness unless something in BB turns this around then the public are probably always going to dislike (hate!) her. One of the biggest disadvantages she has at the moment are the available role models.

IF she gets to know actor Chris and starts the deep conversation talk then there is some hope that she will learn some useful coping patterns.

[psychtracker]

One thing that irks me every season on these forums, is when people selectively pick a housemate they dislike, and then go on about how they're basically nutters, mentally unsound..shouldn't be in the house et al.. But, in the case of Helen (after watching around 20x UK/Aussie BB Seasons), to my mind..she's right at the top of the tree..of a small handful of housemates who really should not be in the house. Way too much rage and other issues going on there. In the past, those housemates who are a bit close to the edge, have been evicted..walked or booted. ie. Helen obviously would've already gone by now (evicted) - under normal circumstances. But her having a ticket to the final, i find a bit worrisome. I think they probably should've booted her after the Matthew incident, she's too risky.

[jet]

One of the biggest problems about this forum and what people write is that they only see and hear what conforms to their knowledge and belief system.Reframing a viewpoint requires the ability to see the outside view looking in. Not an easy thing to do for people who are systematic or non-empathetic.

I like the phrase: People believe what they fear to be true or what they want to be true.

Why is Helen's former job despised? Could it be the fear that it is true for all young women one way or another, rather than seeing 'the job' as a way of confirming two people of unity of relationship, purpose and emotional satisfaction?

There was in 28th June BBOTPsych a very interesting clip of Helen at first saying the type of person she imagined herself to be followed by examples of her not being that person. From the outside empathetic people understand that she behaves opposite to how she would like to be because she feels as if the world is spitting on her and is fighting to feel internal contentment with herself.

Her constant feeling of inadequacy is her weakness unless something in BB turns this around then the public are probably always going to dislike (hate!) her. One of the biggest disadvantages she has at the moment are the available role models.

IF she gets to know actor Chris and starts the deep conversation talk then there is some hope that she will learn some useful coping patterns.

So if people think she is just a nasty piece of work they aren't empathetic? Wow. I had no idea that we were supposed to analyse the HM's psyches so that we find excuses for their behavior and understand and sympathize with them all.

[Niamh.]

So if people think she is just a nasty piece of work they aren't empathetic? Wow. I had no idea that we were supposed to analyse the HM's psyches so that we find excuses for their behavior and understand and sympathize with them all.

:clap1:

[uniquedude]

Ive thought the same thing, and that Jale will be 'hated'. My friend was the biggets Jale fan ever and now she hates her.

[MarcusMel]

So if people think she is just a nasty piece of work they aren't empathetic? Wow. I had no idea that we were supposed to analyse the HM's psyches so that we find excuses for their behavior and understand and sympathize with them all.

That is not a correct logical conclusion.

As I said, you will believe what you want to be true or what you fear to be true, seeing truth is very hard.

[jet]

That is not a correct logical conclusion.

As I said, you will believe what you want to be true or what you fear to be true, seeing truth is very hard.

Well you enjoy your truth seeking and let this non - empathetic forum enjoy the entertainment. :tongue:

[MarcusMel]

Well you enjoy your truth seeking and let this non - empathetic forum enjoy the entertainment. :tongue:

Of course! Just as I am sure you will let me have the freedom to say what I think.

What makes you think you that the forum is not made up of both types? :dance:

Logic and emotion they can exist in one brain. :joker:

[smeagol]

One of the biggest problems about this forum and what people write is that they only see and hear what conforms to their knowledge and belief system. Reframing a viewpoint requires the ability to see the outside view looking in. Not an easy thing to do for people who are systematic or non-empathetic.

I like the phrase: People believe what they fear to be true or what they want to be true.

Why is Helen's former job despised? Could it be the fear that it is true for all young women one way or another, rather than seeing 'the job' as a way of confirming two people of unity of relationship, purpose and emotional satisfaction?

There was in 28th June BBOTPsych a very interesting clip of Helen at first saying the type of person she imagined herself to be followed by examples of her not being that person. From the outside empathetic people understand that she behaves opposite to how she would like to be because she feels as if the world is spitting on her and is fighting to feel internal contentment with herself.

Her constant feeling of inadequacy is her weakness unless something in BB turns this around then the public are probably always going to dislike (hate!) her. One of the biggest disadvantages she has at the moment are the available role models.

IF she gets to know actor Chris and starts the deep conversation talk then there is some hope that she will learn some useful coping patterns.

Life is a lot more black and white than people think. she is who she is there is no reason justification or underline factor. scorpions sting. fire burns killers kill. haters hate, no empathy or pscho bable lol will change the facts.

people are who they are. there is no saving them.

[MarcusMel]

Life is a lot more black and white than people think. she is who she is there is no reason justification or underline factor. scorpions sting. fire burns killers kill. haters hate, no empathy or pscho bable lol will change the facts.

people are who they are. there is no saving them.

Ever heard of neuroplasticity or rational emotive behavioral therapy or the strange sedona method.?

[jet]

Of course! Just as I am sure you will let me have the freedom to say what I think.

What makes you think you that the forum is not made up of both types? :dance:

Logic and emotion they can exist in one brain. :joker:

Well, you said:

One of the biggest problems about this forum and what people write is that they only see and hear what conforms to their knowledge and belief system.Reframing a viewpoint requires the ability to see the outside view looking in. Not an easy thing to do for people who are systematic or non-empathetic.

You mentioned nothing about 2 types, but classed the forum and what people write as all the same.

[smeagol]

Ever heard of neuroplasticity or rational emotive behavioral therapy or the strange sedona method.?

haha yes but thats making excuses again for people. people are who they are.
you can study people till the end of time. we are what we do and we are what we say.
everything else is meaningless

The problem with people is they want to look at different sides and all around but they miss whats right in the front of them.

[jet]

Ever heard of neuroplasticity or rational emotive behavioral therapy or the strange sedona method.?

I've not only heard of them, I've studied them. :smug:

[Ammi]

One of the biggest problems about this forum and what people write is that they only see and hear what conforms to their knowledge and belief system. Reframing a viewpoint requires the ability to see the outside view looking in. Not an easy thing to do for people who are systematic or non-empathetic.

I like the phrase: People believe what they fear to be true or what they want to be true.

Why is Helen's former job despised? Could it be the fear that it is true for all young women one way or another, rather than seeing 'the job' as a way of confirming two people of unity of relationship, purpose and emotional satisfaction?

There was in 28th June BBOTPsych a very interesting clip of Helen at first saying the type of person she imagined herself to be followed by examples of her not being that person. From the outside empathetic people understand that she behaves opposite to how she would like to be because she feels as if the world is spitting on her and is fighting to feel internal contentment with herself.

Her constant feeling of inadequacy is her weakness unless something in BB turns this around then the public are probably always going to dislike (hate!) her. One of the biggest disadvantages she has at the moment are the available role models.

IF she gets to know actor Chris and starts the deep conversation talk then there is some hope that she will learn some useful coping patterns.

..I do agree that that Helen probably behaves the way she does as more of a defensive and a feeling that she has to 'fight everyone' because of the life she must have had but I also think that she's pretty intelligent as well and in agreeing to go into BB, she would have to try to change public opinion and kind of make an effort to be 'understood'..but she's done the exact opposite really with her attitude and behaviour in a two fingers to the public type way so why then would they take time out to have any understanding of her...I think she knows that as well and maybe wants the negative attention because she knows it'll get airtime and then possibly earn her more money after she leaves the house...

[MarcusMel]

haha yes but thats making excuses again for people. people are who they are.
you can study people till the end of time. we are what we do and we are what we say.
everything else is meaningless

The problem with people is they want to look at different sides and all around but they miss whats right in the front of them.

Indeed meaningless, so why bother posting at all! :cheer2:

[MarcusMel]

Well, you said:
You mentioned nothing about 2 types, but classed the forum and what people write as all the same.

Sometimes my thoughts are too crowded to get them all out. It a problem I have.

[smeagol]

Indeed meaningless, so why bother posting at all! :cheer2:

expected a better reply to be honest

[MarcusMel]

haha yes but thats making excuses again for people. people are who they are.
you can study people till the end of time. we are what we do and we are what we say.
everything else is meaningless

The problem with people is they want to look at different sides and all around but they miss whats right in the front of them.

A better reply to the above belief system? If this is how you see things reframing your view could be very difficult and as mother used to say and person convienced against their will remains uncovienced still. One reason Socrates was so sucessful because he asked people questions that forced them to reason out why they had their viewpoint.

I am no Socrates!! :nono:

[smeagol]

A better reply to the above belief system? If this is how you see things reframing your view could be very difficult and as mother used to say and person convienced against their will remains uncovienced still. One reason Socrates was so sucessful because he asked people questions that forced them to reason out why they had their viewpoint.

I am no Socrates!! :nono:

wasn't asking you to try and change my views. i just liked your post thought it was interesting. whether i agree or not doesn't matter.
its good to talk about these things i like peoples views when they delve deeper its interesting.
people tend to give up too easily .

[erinp5]

Seems we are seeing a watered down version of Helen .


Helen Wood’s getting an unfair edit in the Big Brother 2014 house, thanks to her gob.



Her vile outbursts and sewer mouth mean that Big Brother bosses have been forced to edit out a lot of her comments.

We told previously how Helen branded viewers “******s”, a remark that didn’t make it to air.

And it’s one of many, according to the Daily Star newspaper, who claim that producers have decided much of what she says is too rude even for a post watershed show.

“Fans are well aware of how filthy Helen’s language can be but they are only seeing the stuff we think is OK,” a source told the newspaper today. “A lot of the things she has been saying and doing are too disgusting to be shown.

“She isn’t afraid to say what she thinks and has a very explicit take on sex.”

The housemates have expressed concern about Helen, with Jale Karaturp claiming she’s “lost it”.



And evicted housemate Toya A Washington claimed that Helen “takes pleasure out of hurting people.”

She said after her exit at the weekend: “I felt she was being very aggressive.

“I can’t say she would’ve been violent, but she is capable of it.”

Meanwhile, Danielle McMahon has said in the house and she could see Helen ending up to “throwing a punch”.

“She’s one of the most vile woman I’ve ever come across in my life,” the model told Ashleigh. “And if she wants to throw a punch of whatever, good, because it will get her out of this house.”


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[Kizzy]

What a load of contrived rubbish.

[Sophiee]

I don't believe she can do anything to turn it around, but I can definitely see some of the others overshadowing her hate and people not caring about her so much, especially since she's got the finale pass anyway there's nothing anyone can do to get her out.

[flamingGalah!]

No chance of her being liked & people dislike her for her behaviour in the house, not because she was a prozzie. If she was nice in the house people would get over her past but she isn't, she is vile...