Is Helen broken because of the prostituting, or?

[Samwell]

Do you think Helen is broken beacuse of the prostituting, or did she prostitute because she is broken? She seems very bitter and hateful. But I am very curious if this came before or after the prostituting. What is your opinion?

[Josy]

I think she done the prostitute thing because she was broke not broken :idc:




Being serious though...she apparently had a bit of a wild childhood, had problems with her parents, went into a foster home, then had her child at a very young age then couldn't afford her bills so turned to prostitution so yeah she probably was a broken person :shrug:

And a life like that was always going to leave their mark on her character.

[Samwell]

I think she done the prostitute thing because she was broke not broken :idc:




Being serious though...she apparently had a bit of a wild childhood, had problems with her parents, went into a foster home, then had her child at a very young age then couldn't afford her bills so turned to prostitution so yeah she probably was a broken person :shrug:

And a life like that was always going to leave their mark on her character.

Thanks, you have a lot of background information. It seems logical though, for someone to be as she is, it probably has roots all the way back to her childhood.

[Achilles]

Helen has gone through a lot of **** during her life, but she still managed to come out of it a better human being than Danielle, the "lady"

[kistar]

Helen isn't broken she just can't get her own way by brute force and ignorance like she would normally do , she knows she is in a controlled environment and doesn't have the skill set to cope with being reasonable and civil so she is falling apart .

[Josy]

Thanks, you have a lot of background information. It seems logical though, for someone to be as she is, it probably has roots all the way back to her childhood.

Here is an article that contains some background info about Helens life

http://www.nicholasbowman.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Helen-Wood-1.jpg

If you click on it it zooms so it's readable

[kistar]

I think she done the prostitute thing because she was broke not broken :idc:




Being serious though...she apparently had a bit of a wild childhood, had problems with her parents, went into a foster home, then had her child at a very young age then couldn't afford her bills so turned to prostitution so yeah she probably was a broken person :shrug:

And a life like that was always going to leave their mark on her character.

If you want to be an arse you can always justify it, there is never a reason to be mean and cruel .

[smeagol]

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

[Achilles]

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

You are correct. Some people are born rotten. Danielle is the prime example. She is rotten to the core.

[kistar]

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a crap childhood , so many people have had so much worse happen and have actually turned out to be reasonable human beings, it is no excuse and it's just about choice, she chooses to be vile in the present nothing to do with the past.

[Josy]

If you want to be an arse you can always justify it, there is never a reason to be mean and cruel .

I think it's perfectly fair to assume that being a prostitute will more than likely impact your life in a negative way leaving you bitter and hateful.

I know that in no way excuses her behaviour in the house but that's not what the OP was asking.

[smeagol]

You are correct. Some people are born rotten. Danielle is the prime example. She is rotten to the core.

danielle? shes not nasty or cruel though. she's just desperate for attention land slightly of her meds lol

[kistar]

I think it's perfectly fair to assume that being a prostitute will more than likely impact your life in a negative way leaving you bitter and hateful.

I know that in no way excuses her behaviour in the house but that's not what the OP was asking.

I think that's a very big assumption to be honest Josy.

[Samwell]

You are correct. Some people are born rotten. Danielle is the prime example. She is rotten to the core.

Helen has gone through a lot of **** during her life, but she still managed to come out of it a better human being than Danielle, the "lady"

I agree with you. Even though Helen is very bad, Danielle may be worse.

I wonder how Helen was as a prostitute though. If she was nice, and welcoming, or cold and bitchy.

[smeagol]

if anyone wants to pay me £180 for sex i wont be bitter i promise lol
roll up roll up come get some smeg lol

[Josy]

I think that's a very big assumption to be honest Josy.

I don't understand how it is?

[kistar]

I think it's perfectly fair to assume that being a prostitute will more than likely impact your life in a negative way leaving you bitter and hateful.

I know that in no way excuses her behaviour in the house but that's not what the OP was asking.

Did you see belle de jour? Have you read confessions of a call girl , I'm sure channel 4 did a programme about grannies being escorts and they were having a great time , getting paid £180 an hour would surely take the bitterness out if a situation let's be honest , she was meeting famous footballers and having 3somes and getting paid a grand a time , how would that ever make her bitter ?

[jet]

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a crap childhood , so many people have had so much worse happen and have actually turned out to be reasonable human beings, it is no excuse and it's just about choice, she chooses to be vile in the present nothing to do with the past.

:clap1:

[smudgie]

I have known a few prostitues in my time, never ever found any of them bitter and twisted.

She might have regrets about it, can't be easy when your face js plastered all over the papers.
I just think she is a naturally nasty person when she has had a drink.

[kistar]

I don't understand how it is?

Have a think.......

[Kizzy]

Being kicked out of the family home and being persecuted by the public is excuse enough for me to be slightly unstable.

[joeysteele]

Helen has gone through a lot of **** during her life, but she still managed to come out of it a better human being than Danielle, the "lady"

She has indeed, I prefer Helen any day over Danielle.

[Achilles]

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a crap childhood , so many people have had so much worse happen and have actually turned out to be reasonable human beings, it is no excuse and it's just about choice, she chooses to be vile in the present nothing to do with the past.

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a nice childhood? People can have some kind of idea why Helen turned away the way she has, but what is Danielle's excuse? Danielle is the vile human being in that house, not Helen.

[Josy]

Did you see belle de jour? Have you read confessions of a call girl , I'm sure channel 4 did a programme about grannies being escorts and they were having a great time , getting paid £180 an hour would surely take the bitterness out if a situation let's be honest , she was meeting famous footballers and having 3somes and getting paid a grand a time , how would that ever make her bitter ?

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

[MarcusMel]

Where do children get the role models to copy these days? Eastenders, Neighbours?

If parents have to work all the time do children get to feel needed?

Does anyone ever think that they might actually be wrong? They might think that they just did not know what the right thing to do was, but thats not being wrong!!!

[rionablue]

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

Sméagol I appreciate your contributions to all the threads cos that's what they are about but could you use different terms my pet. Some of your posts are very crude ( and I can use vile terms also but not as bad as you do):nono::nono::nono:

[rionablue]

My opinion ( for what its worth) is that Helen should never have been put in the house in the first place. I think she has far far too many issues and I wonder if she had never had that dalliance with Rooney would she ever have made the final cut for the house. In the past women who had dalliances with footballers or some kind of scandalous affairs have appeared in CELEBRITY big brother (though god knows what makes them a celebrity)

[kistar]

Being kicked out of the family home and being persecuted by the public is excuse enough for me to be slightly unstable.

So if she was a man who beat up his wife and blamed it on being kicked out of his family home and persecuted by the public I am hoping you would think that his past would not justify his actions now , because as an adult we have the gift of reasoning and the intelligence to understand how are actions impact on the people around us, and so seeing your wife black and blue should be reason enough not to want to hit her again.There is no excuse to be mean and cruel.

[smeagol]

i feel sorry for hitler he must of had a hard upbringing. poor guy. and rolf harris another victim of a bad life.
of course people are never just bad people cause they are bad people lol

i dont get some peoples logic. so you get broke go be a prostitute earn some cash and suddenly its poor you. then you can do and say what you like and blame it on that lol
so someone is broke they mug some poor old lady and we are meant to think aww poor mugger he must of had a hard life. lol
crazy thinking. people are bad cause they want to be. no other reason.

[smeagol]

Sméagol I appreciate your contributions to all the threads cos that's what they are about but could you use different terms my pet. Some of your posts are very crude ( and I can use vile terms also but not as bad as you do):nono::nono::nono:

crude rude nude all is gude

[kistar]

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

At least these women have a way of earning money and getting themselves out of debt I think that's quite empowering , being on benefits as a single parent with 5 kids would be worse , no way of earning extra money no way of paying an extra bill if it comes through the door .

[kistar]

i feel sorry for hitler he must of had a hard upbringing. poor guy. and rolf harris another victim of a bad life.
of course people are never just bad people cause they are bad people lol

i dont get some peoples logic. so you get broke go be a prostitute earn some cash and suddenly its poor you. then you can do and say what you like and blame it on that lol
so someone is broke they mug some poor old lady and we are meant to think aww poor mugger he must of had a hard life. lol
crazy thinking. people are bad cause they want to be. no other reason.

All the above!!!!!

[jet]

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

But she did it because she chose to Josy. She could have gotten a regular job or went on a training course and get paid while doing it. That's what most women do when they have a child to support.
My mother was deserted by my father and she had 2 young children to support all on her own with no maintenance. She worked in a factory for 10 hours a day 6 days a week to clothe and feed us and pay for child care because she wouldn't have earned enough as a shorthand typist (which she was trained for) to support us.
Helen took the easy way out. That was her choice and nothing wrong with that as long as she doesn't make other people suffer because she regrets it.
But why assume if it was prostitution that has made her like she is - maybe she would be the same anyway. It seems her parents couldn't handle her as a child - long before she became a prostitute.

[Josy]

At least these women have a way of earning money and getting themselves out of debt I think that's quite empowering , being on benefits as a single parent with 5 kids would be worse , no way of earning extra money no way of paying an extra bill if it comes through the door .

I agree with all that but stand by my opinion that prostitution could potentially leave a women feeling angry and bitter, I'm not saying Helen is btw and i'm definitely not saying that her past justifies her behaviour in the house in anyway.

But she did it because she chose to Josy. She could have gotten a regular job or went on a training course and get paid while doing it. That's what most women do when they have a child to support.
My mother was deserted by my father and she had 2 young children to support all on her own with no maintenance. She worked in a factory for 10 hours a day 6 days a week to clothe and feed us and pay for child care because she wouldn't have earned enough as a shorthand typist (which she was trained for) to support us.
Helen took the easy way out. That was her choice and nothing wrong with that as long as she doesn't make other people suffer because she regrets it.
But why assume if it was prostitution that has made her like she is - maybe she would be the same anyway. It seems her parents couldn't handle her as a child - long before she became a prostitute.

Oh I know she chose to do it Jet and I actually posted that nearer the beginning of the show in another thread, I think Helen chose the easy way out to pay off the little amount of debt she said she had and I also said I admire the women that go out and work a proper job to earn a living for their family rather than someone that turns to prostitution.

I am no way defending Helen at all in this thread btw, I was just replying to the queston in the OP that I think being a prostitute could leave you 'broken' and I personally think it's a fair assumption to make.

[Kizzy]

So if she was a man who beat up his wife and blamed it on being kicked out of his family home and persecuted by the public I am hoping you would think that his past would not justify his actions now , because as an adult we have the gift of reasoning and the intelligence to understand how are actions impact on the people around us, and so seeing your wife black and blue should be reason enough not to want to hit her again.There is no excuse to be mean and cruel.

Don't throw up loads of bizarre hypotheticals... let's just stick to talking about helen eh?

[jet]

I agree with all that but stand by my opinion that prostitution could potentially leave a women feeling angry and bitter, I'm not saying Helen is btw and i'm definitely not saying that her past justifies her behaviour in the house in anyway.



Oh I know she chose to do it Jet and I actually posted that nearer the beginning of the show in another thread, I think Helen chose the easy way out to pay off the little amount of debt she said she had and I also said I admire the women that go out and work a proper job to earn a living for their family rather than someone that turns to prostitution.

I am no way defending Helen at all in this thread btw, I was just replying to the queston in the OP that I think being a prostitute could leave you 'broken' and I personally think it's a fair assumption to make.

I agree that it is a fair assumption. But I don't see Helen as 'broken'. Broken people don't usually have the energy or the inclination to go through a lengthy audition process for BB which requires determination and then go into the house with all guns blazing and giving the impression that they are 'all that'. Broken people don't have the confidence to gather a court around them nor the confidence to think they can mock and bully people and then say 'That's just me, I tell it like it is'. That's the way an arrogant person operates. I thinks she's an angry person who is inherently nasty, and like you pointed out, bitter. Life didn't work out the way she wanted so others can suffer for it.

[Lister of Smeg]

Well we can safely say that somethings broken :idc:

[jet]

Well we can safely say that somethings broken :idc:

Yes, her "Other people have feelings too and its not all about me" gene.

[Kizzy]

You know when it becomes obvious that there is someone who is truly affected and disturbed by events from their life them being on big brother and being torn apart suddenly feels like pulling the legs off a spider.....

[Vanessa]

She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.

[Ellen]

[QUOTE=Vanessa;6999238]She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.[/QUOTE

Agree with this and also think Helen goes on the attack when she thinks people are looking down on her which probably comes from her past.

[Niamh.]

She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.

Agree with this and also think Helen goes on the attack when she thinks people are looking down on her which probably comes from her past.

Helen goes on attack when she's had a few glasses of wine........

When did Jale ever look down on her? What did she do to deserve to be labelled a slug?

[Vanessa]

Helen goes on attack when she's had a few glasses of wine........

When did Jale ever look down on her? What did she do to deserve to be labelled a slug?

She has admitted she was wrong and apologized.

[GiRTh]

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vainsAgree with this. She's a c**nt the fact she an ex ***** didnt help but its not the reason why she's a c**nt

[Niamh.]

She has admitted she was wrong and apologized.

That has nothing to do with the point I made though..... She goes on the attack when she drinks, not because people are looking down on her. The people looking down on her part only comes about after she acts like she does.


PS She only "realised" she was wrong after she was warned twice and heard the chants to get her out..........that's not sincere

[Vanessa]

That has nothing to do with the point I made though..... She goes on the attack when she drinks, not because people are looking down on her. The people looking down on her part only comes about after she acts like she does.


PS She only "realised" she was wrong after she was warned twice and heard the chants to get her out..........that's not sincere

I don't agree.

[Niamh.]

I don't agree.

With what?

[Vanessa]

With what?

I think she's defensive, because of her past. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Neither of us will budge.

[Niamh.]

I think she's defensive, because of her past. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Neither of us will budge.

Calling people slugs for no reason and ostrasizing them from the "popular" kids is a defense mechanism? Ok then

[Vanessa]

Calling people slugs for no reason and ostrasizing them from the "popular" kids is a defense mechanism? Ok then

I'm all for discussions, but in this case there's no point. We will never agree on this. Better leave it at that.

[Ellen]

That has nothing to do with the point I made though..... She goes on the attack when she drinks, not because people are looking down on her. The people looking down on her part only comes about after she acts like she does.


PS She only "realised" she was wrong after she was warned twice and heard the chants to get her out..........that's not sincere

I didnt say that when people look down on her, i said when she thinks people look down on her. With her past i would imagine she is quite paranoid about that.

[Niamh.]

I'm all for discussions, but in this case there's no point. We will never agree on this. Better leave it at that.

stop quoting me then........I actually do want to discuss this.....that's why I'm still posting in the thread

[Vanessa]

stop quoting me then........I actually do want to discuss this.....that's why I'm still posting in the thread

Ok. I'm leaving the thread.

[Niamh.]

I didnt say that when people look down on her, i said when she thinks people look down on her. With her past i would imagine she is quite paranoid about that.

But why would she think Jale was looking down on her? She'd barely gotten through the door and Helen was on her

[Kizzy]

stop quoting me then........I actually do want to discuss this.....that's why I'm still posting in the thread

You quoted her first niamh to be fair, you can't quote people challenging their opinion and not expect them to quote you.

I agree with vanessa I think the change in persona comes after a drink and she feels quite ashamed after.

[jet]

You know when it becomes obvious that there is someone who is truly affected and disturbed by events from their life them being on big brother and being torn apart suddenly feels like pulling the legs off a spider.....

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

[Niamh.]

You quoted her first niamh to be fair, you can't quote people challenging their opinion and not expect them to quote you.

I agree with vanessa I think the change in persona comes after a drink and she feels quite ashamed after.

I do expect them to reply, but not to say I don't want to discuss my opinion, if you don't want to discuss your opinion don't reply :conf:

[Kizzy]

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

I have sympathy and empathy, I've never had the misfortune to be targeted by a huge swathe of the country and blamed for anyones 'extra maritals' but my guess is it leaves an impression on your character.

[Niamh.]

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

Exactly. The only reason she stopped being a bully was because she was afraid she'd be kicked out, not because she all of a sudden realised she was being a nasty cow.

[Beso]

The prostitution is one of her redeeming qualities!

[jet]

You quoted her first niamh to be fair, you can't quote people challenging their opinion and not expect them to quote you.

I agree with vanessa I think the change in persona comes after a drink and she feels quite ashamed after.

She was ostrasizing Jale for nearly a week with or without drink. She gets nastier on drink, yes, but drink doesn't cause the nastiness and meanness.

[Niamh.]

She was ostrasizing Jale for nearly a week with or without drink. She gets nastier on drink, yes, but drink doesn't cause the nastiness and meanness.

Yeah, I never saw her being ashamed of how she treated Jale until BB warned her about it

[Kizzy]

I do expect them to reply, but not to say I don't want to discuss my opinion, if you don't want to discuss your opinion don't reply :conf:

She stated her opinion and you began badgering her with yours, all she said was she had made her decision taking into account all the 'what ifs' you suggested.
It was a perfectly polite response.

[Niamh.]

She stated her opinion and you began badgering her with yours, all she said was she had made her decision taking into account all the 'what ifs' you suggested.
It was a perfectly polite response.

Replying to posts on a thread is badgering people with your opinions now? Ok then St. Kizzy :hehe:

[jet]

Yeah, I never saw her being ashamed of how she treated Jale until BB warned her about it

Exactly. She enjoyed herself tremendously mocking and bullying Jale with all her minions around her encouraging her. Ashamed my ass. If she hadn't gotten the warnings, she'd still be at it. She loves it.

[flamingGalah!]

It seems she has always had a "charming" personality, from when she was young, who knows what is to blame, but lots of people who struggle or have bad things happen in their lives still manage to be nice & decent human beings... And those that are hard up don't all turn to prostitution, so I don't have any sympathy for the woman, she made her choices & she is a nasty, vile person who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, unless you paid her £20 of course...

[jet]

I have sympathy and empathy, I've never had the misfortune to be targeted by a huge swathe of the country and blamed for anyones 'extra maritals' but my guess is it leaves an impression on your character.

If you had the misfortune to be ostracized by someone, called a slug, laughed at and mocked by them I wonder how sympathetic you would be towards them? Would you be fighting their corner?

[Kizzy]

Replying to posts on a thread is badgering people with your opinions now? Ok then St. Kizzy :hehe:

Yes you did in this case a bit, sorry to tell you :hehe:

[Niamh.]

Alright, back ontopic now Kizzy, this is actually an interesting thread

[Kizzy]

If you had the misfortune to be ostracized by someone, called a slug, laughed at and mocked by them I wonder how sympathetic you would be towards them? Would you be fighting their corner?

Well I don't know, maybe after a few conversations and apologies I might try see if we had any common ground. I wouldn't write them off no.

[Ellen]

But why would she think Jale was looking down on her? She'd barely gotten through the door and Helen was on her

I dont know why tbh, Gawd know's what goes on in her mind!lol I think it is in her head that people do that to her when it is not always the case.

[Niamh.]

I dont know why tbh, Gawd know's what goes on in her mind!lol I think it is in her head that people do that to her when it is not always the case.

hhhmmmm even so, that's her problem and not those around her, it's not an endearing quality either

[Ellen]

hhhmmmm even so, that's her problem and not those around her, it's not an endearing quality either

No it is not an endearing quality and yes it is her problem that is why i agreed with Vanessa that she does need help.

[Niamh.]

No it is not an endearing quality and yes it is her problem that is why i agreed with Vanessa that she does need help.

I don't know does she recognize that herself though, like I really don't believe she was sorry about the Jale thing or felt bad about what she did. She only changed the way she was behaving and apologized after the warnings from BB and the boos and chants from the crowd.

I mean how can you call someone a slug for just sitting in the same room as you and not think you're being a complete bitch all by yourself?

[Kizzy]

She's admitted as much in the diary room lots of times that she overreacts, She might not recognise it in herself. It was commented on a lot on bit on the psyche so hopefully when she comes out there will be the offer of support.

[Beso]

She is a broken woman, do I care? NO.

She will have walked over and hurt loads of people in her life without a care in the world..let her rot!

[jet]

Well I don't know, maybe after a few conversations and apologies I might try see if we had any common ground. I wouldn't write them off no.

That's commendable, yes. But would you fight their corner and like them (which you seem to do with Helen) especially when they still throw nasty comments around to others and blow up over trivial things?

[Kizzy]

I just said yes, you just rephrased the question.

[jet]

I just said yes, you just rephrased the question.

I didn't rephrase it, I asked an additional question, which you answered yes to. Wow. So a person could do that to you, apologize after being warned, continue to try to humiliate other people (like Helen did with Matthew) and you would still fight their corner and like them. You really are St. Kizzy. :laugh:

But our Dan bond is still unbroken. Right? :kiss: