Helen just picks on the weak!

[Beso]

She has done it all through the show, she picks on the weak housemates or the housemates who have a problem with other housemates..she has done this with dannielle, jale, Christopher,chris,mathew and is now doing it with Ashleigh.

typical bully's behaviour.

get the blue waffled minge out please.

[Ellen]

She will have a go with anybody who annoys her.
The only one who she picked on was Jale imo.

[sampvt]

meow

[rusticgal]

She won't pick on Ashleigh.... She is intimidated by Ashleigh because Ashleigh can be more articulate and that intimidates her....

[Kizzy]

So sick of the unnecessary extreme sexual references, so what if she's antagonistic? they can all bore off!

[jet]

She won't pick on Ashleigh.... She is intimidated by Ashleigh because Ashleigh can be more articulate and that intimidates her....

Exactly...and have you noticed that she usually has her cronies gathered around her as her captive audience when she is slagging people off. They laugh like gormless idiots and Helen sits there enjoying the attention and reveling in her own vileness.

[rubymoo]

Exactly...and have you noticed that she usually has her cronies gathered around her as her captive audience when she is slagging people off. They laugh like gormless idiots and Helen sits there enjoying the attention and reveling in her own vileness.

This! +1

[Verbal]

She won't pick on Ashleigh.... She is intimidated by Ashleigh because Ashleigh can be more articulate and that intimidates her....

If Ashleigh gave her reason to, you can guarantee she would rip the little blonde cow a new hole. Where has she shown she is articulate or more so than anyone else? She has just lounged on the bed and moaned for the most part.

[Niamh.]

If Ashleigh gave her reason to, you can guarantee she would rip the little blonde cow a new hole. Where has she shown she is articulate or more so than anyone else? She has just lounged on the bed and moaned for the most part.

tbf Ashleigh has given her more reason than any of the people she's actually picked on.....

[Marsh.]

tbf Ashleigh has given her more reason than any of the people she's actually picked on.....

This.

[Verbal]

tbf Ashleigh has given her more reason than any of the people she's actually picked on.....

Not that i've seen

And they were sitting having a conversation last night

[Niamh.]

Not that i've seen

And they were sitting having a conversation last night

How about after she saw the footage of Ashleigh when they were in the morgue? That's more reason then Jale gave her, Christopher gave her, Matthew gave her

[Verbal]

How about after she saw the footage of Ashleigh when they were in the morgue? That's more reason then Jale gave her, Christopher gave her, Matthew gave her

Fair point. Conceded.

[Niamh.]

Fair point. Conceded.

I wasn't expecting that :laugh:

[Rob4]

Well she did say that she would not take on Ashleigh because of her being 18 and she may get into more trouble, but I doubt she has that much self control, so maybe there is a bit of fear there.

[Verbal]

I wasn't expecting that :laugh:

I just can't be arsed to rant and argue :joker: you're right but I still like her.

[Niamh.]

I just can't be arsed to rant and argue :joker: you're right but I still like her.

lol I respect that :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I just can't be arsed to rant and argue :joker: you're right but I still like her.

Tip: Admitting something negative about a housemate doesn't relinquish your right to be a fan of them.

I think some people get a little too hung up on trying to explain their favourites actions in a favourable light instead of conceding that they're twats but you still like them. :laugh:

[Josy]

Tbf to Helen she said she was going to avoid any confrontation with Ashleigh because people would then say she was picking on an 18yr old, which is kinda true.

[Verbal]

Tbf to Helen she said she was going to avoid any confrontation with Ashleigh because people would then say she was picking on an 18yr old, which is kinda true.

Could have done with you 15 mins ago! :joker:

[Niamh.]

Tbf to Helen she said she was going to avoid any confrontation with Ashleigh because people would then say she was picking on an 18yr old, which is kinda true.

seems a bit weird though that she suddenly found some sort of a line that she doesn't cross after how vile she'd been towards other HMs

[Josy]

Could have done with you 15 mins ago! :joker:

:laugh:

seems a bit weird though that she suddenly found some sort of a line that she doesn't cross after how vile she'd been towards other HMs

Hmm I wouldn't say she suddenly decided that about Ashleigh though Nimah she said when Ashleigh's comments started getting louder and bitchier that she wasn't going to be that person that argued with and 18yr old girl, iirc she said she wouldnt argue with someone that age outside so wouldn't do it in the house.

[Kazanne]

Tbf to Helen she said she was going to avoid any confrontation with Ashleigh because people would then say she was picking on an 18yr old, which is kinda true.

Yes,I think this is the only reason Helen hasn't had a go at Ashleigh,she doesn't want to get thrown out because of her and she is doing the right thing imo.Plus Ashleigh has become a bit 'nicer' since she heard those chants on Friday,lol

[Niamh.]

:laugh:



Hmm I wouldn't say she suddenly decided that about Ashleigh though Nimah she said when Ashleigh's comments started getting louder and bitchier that she wasn't going to be that person that argued with and 18yr old girl, iirc she said she wouldnt argue with someone that age outside so wouldn't do it in the house.

I don't believe she wouldn't do it outside the house :hehe:

[Josy]

I don't believe she wouldn't do it outside the house :hehe:

Fair enough.

[Marsh.]

I don't believe she wouldn't do it outside the house :hehe:

I don't believe she would tbh. No way she'd argue with someone like Ashleigh.

She'd glass them and move on with her life. :idc:

[Niamh.]

I don't believe she would tbh. No way she'd argue with someone like Ashleigh.

She'd glass them and move on with her life. :idc:

:hehe:

[jet]

Imo the reason Helen said she wouldn't argue with an 18 yr old is because she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her and Helen doesn't like that, so she knows she might lose it and get thrown out.
Ashleigh has shown strength and resilience in the house and more adult maturity than Helen has. She is not a child and she isn't weak enough to be a target for the house bully. Helen is using her age as an excuse.

[Marsh.]

Imo the reason Helen said she wouldn't argue with an 18 yr old is because she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her and Helen doesn't like that, so she knows she might lose it and get thrown out.
Ashleigh has shown strength and resilience in the house and more adult maturity than Helen has. She is not a child and she isn't weak enough to be a target for the house bully. Helen is using her age as an excuse.

She hasn't faced Helen, everything she's done is behind her back. So she's very weak.

[Verbal]

She hasn't faced Helen, everything she's done is behind her back. So she's very weak.
I like you

[jet]

She hasn't faced Helen, everything she's done is behind her back. So she's very weak.

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations. :cheer2:

[Niamh.]

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations. :cheer2:

:worship:

[Ammi]

..I also think that there may be good reasons that Ashleigh does things the way she does and doesn’t get into confrontations with Helen as she has already said that she was badly bullied and I think that has made her tougher in some ways but she must still feel a lot of emotions and lack of self esteem associated with that ( ..it can’t have been that long ago considering her age now..) and maybe Helen with her behaviour in the house, represents someone/people that have made Ashleigh quite fearful so it’s understandable that she would ‘shy’ away from that in a way and yet still have a very strong feeling of ‘justice’ against someone like Helen...I think a poster said earlier with Pauline’s bullying behaviour that there’s this thing that we have to see victims as quite mild/more submissive people and if their bullies don’t ‘beat them’ into that persona which people can relate to more easily, then there is a tendency to not feel any empathy and especially as Ashleigh has been shown in a very ‘hard’ one dimensional way....I do think though that she does see what a lot of people see which is a very mean and spiteful and slightly bullying personality with Helen and how she’s been mean to people/bitches about people/calls them derogatory names and I think everything about Ashleigh goes against that but yeah, I don’t think she can maybe take that step of ‘confrontation’ especially as Helen tends to ‘run with a pack’ and be part of a clique, she would find that quite scary....I also think it’s really harsh for people to have any empathy for Helen and her life that may have contributed to how aggressive and defensive she is now but then to have none at all with Ashleigh and her unfortunate experiences and just think of her as a bitch and nothing more....

[Verbal]

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations. :cheer2:

They were talking together last night

[jet]

..I also think that there may be good reasons that Ashleigh does things the way she does and doesn’t get into confrontations with Helen as she has already said that she was badly bullied and I think that has made her tougher in some ways but she must still feel a lot of emotions and lack of self esteem associated with that ( ..it can’t have been that long ago considering her age now..) and maybe Helen with her behaviour in the house, represents someone/people that have made Ashleigh quite fearful so it’s understandable that she would ‘shy’ away from that in a way and yet still have a very strong feeling of ‘justice’ against someone like Helen...I think a poster said earlier with Pauline’s bullying behaviour that there’s this thing that we have to see victims as quite mild/more submissive people and if their bullies don’t ‘beat them’ into that persona which people can relate to more easily, then there is a tendency to not feel any empathy and especially as Ashleigh has been shown in a very ‘hard’ one dimensional way....I do think though that she does see what a lot of people see which is a very mean and spiteful and slightly bullying personality with Helen and how she’s been mean to people/bitches about people/calls them derogatory names and I think everything about Ashleigh goes against that but yeah, I don’t think she can maybe take that step of ‘confrontation’ especially as Helen tends to ‘run with a pack’ and be part of a clique, she would find that quite scary....I also think it’s really harsh for people to have any empathy for Helen and her life that may have contributed to how aggressive and defensive she is now but then to have none at all with Ashleigh and her unfortunate experiences and just think of her as a bitch and nothing more....

Great post :clap1: I do think though that Ashleigh wouldn't let Helen away with it if she started on her..

[chuff me dizzy]

So true, the sign of a true coward ,she handpicks her victims

[Amy Jade]

Nahh Matthew gave as good as he got.

[jet]

Nahh Matthew gave as good as he got.

Helen got a shock there - she wasn't expecting that! :hehe:

[Marsh.]

I like you

I like you too

[Marsh.]

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations. :cheer2:

You just said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her.

Nobody knows that, all of her behaviour so far tells us she does everything sneakily to avoid confrontation at all costs. Sign of a wimp.

She'd blub into her bear for the 100th time.

[Ammi]

..no I don’t think she just picks on the ‘weak’ though..I think she’s just a mean-spirited person who would find something to pick on with most people just because she seems so bitter ..I do think though that she wouldn’t have held back with Ashleigh but she feels that would reflect badly on her....(and she’s made such an effort to look good..:laugh:..)....but she also knows she doesn’t need to have a ’showdown’ with Ashleigh because she knows her ‘pack’ don’t like her either so doesn’t have to bother..but I do think Ashleigh’s bullying experiences as well, may have a lot to do with why she doesn't like the ‘insiders’....and what that may associate for her...

[Marsh.]

Exactly Ammi, she's had a problem with most people in the house. She's just bitter and will find fault with most things.

Most normal people wouldn't have took the Christmas party crap so seriously but she had to.

[Ammi]

Exactly Ammi, she's had a problem with most people in the house. She's just bitter and will find fault with most things.

Most normal people wouldn't have took the Christmas party crap so seriously but she had to.

..also, she had just given him a very dodgy haircut, that's not something you could forget easily with that amount of mirrors in the house...

[Amy Jade]

Helen got a shock there - she wasn't expecting that! :hehe:

Yet she confronted him again in the morgue.

[Marsh.]

..also, she had just given him a very dodgy haircut, that's not something you could forget easily with that amount of mirrors in the house...

:joker: Exactly. Yet she wanted a slap up meal. :crazy:

[Verbal]

You just said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her.

Nobody knows that, all of her behaviour so far tells us she does everything sneakily to avoid confrontation at all costs. Sign of a wimp.

She'd blub into her bear for the 100th time.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7066696192/h905FEDB1/

[jet]

You just said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her.

Nobody knows that, all of her behaviour so far tells us she does everything sneakily to avoid confrontation at all costs. Sign of a wimp.

She'd blub into her bear for the 100th time.

Why do you think avoiding confrontation is the sign of a wimp? :shocked:
I think it's astute, mature and intelligent behaviour to avoid needless conflict. Pick your battles and all that....

[Ammi]

:joker: Exactly. Yet she wanted a slap up meal. :crazy:

..yeah, well she shouldn't have put that bowl on his head then and she should have saved it for her supper....seriously though, any small 'human' acts of comforting would only really go to trying to somewhat make up for how badly she's behaved and how mean she's been to people but in no way give her any 'entitlements'..and if she had any self awareness at all she would realise that instead of thinking she should have been chosen....

[Marsh.]

Why do you think avoiding confrontation is the sign of a wimp? :shocked:
I think it's astute, mature and intelligent behaviour to avoid needless conflict. Pick your battles and all that....

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.

[Marsh.]

..yeah, well she shouldn't have put that bowl on his head then and she should have saved it for her supper....seriously though, any small 'human' acts of comforting would only really go to trying to somewhat make up for how badly she's behaved and how mean she's been to people but in no way give her any 'entitlements'..and if she had any self awareness at all she would realise that instead of thinking she should have been chosen....

:clap1:

[Verbal]

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.

http://www.boxing.com/images/sized/images/articles/green-kessler2-530x317.jpg

[Marsh.]

:smug:

[Ammi]

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.



..I do agree with what you’re saying in a way Marsh but I do also think though that 18yrs old is more of a border/threshold of maturity..she’s just becoming ‘mature’ and she has recent bullying experiences (they can’t have been long ago because of her age..)...which must have ‘scarred’ her maybe she does shy away from confrontations, who knows because it’s just that it hasn’t happened yet but I think discussing Helen’s spitefulness in the house would be quite normal because she has been pretty awful but then maybe Ashleigh, not only by her own experiences and associations but also by Helen’s ‘face to face’ hurtful comments in the house, has seen how little value that has in terms of how it makes someone feel who is on the receiving end of them...and even though she dislikes Helen so much, maybe she can’t bring herself to do this ‘honest’ stuff which most of us know is usually an excuse for being a spiteful person....’oh, well I just say what I think’..well, don’t keep your spitefulness to yourself....also, maybe Ashleigh's feelings have been supressed by others in the past so that she doesn't really want some screeching looney in her face, which she's seen all too often happen in the 'Helen confrontations'....

[jet]

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.

But she doesn't bottle up her feelings about Helen, she vents with her friend Danielle which is a good way of getting the tension out. Also, she doesn't suppress how she feels to Helen's face; Helen is very well aware that Ashleigh doesn't like her. :conf:
Just because Ashleigh isn't like Helen who thinks 'telling people how it is' is a virtue, doesn't make her a wimp. On the contrary.
As I said before, what exactly should Ashleigh confront Helen about? :conf:

[Niamh.]

But she doesn't bottle up her feelings about Helen, she vents with her friend Danielle which is a good way of getting the tension out. Also, she doesn't suppress how she feels to Helen's face; Helen is very well aware that Ashleigh doesn't like her. :conf:
Just because Ashleigh isn't like Helen who thinks 'telling people how it is' is a virtue, doesn't make her a wimp. On the contrary.
As I said before, what exactly should Ashleigh confront Helen about? :conf:
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[Verbal]

Oh hell no:nono:

[smeagol]

hopefully she will try it on the wrong person one day. she could do with a new face

[Verbal]

hopefully she will try it on the wrong person one day. she could do with a new face

Yea she's not the prettiest, but she's young and still growing. Ashleigh will grow into her looks, i'm sure.

[Niamh.]

Oh hell no:nono:

:hehe:

[Kazanne]

Ashleigh should tell Helen what she was brave enough to tell Danielle , that she thinks Helen is a vile , disgusting loud mouthed woman who doesn't wear a bra and excercises in front of the men for attention and she's seen enough of her arse , these would be good to start with , I would kinda like her then.

[Niamh.]

Ashleigh should tell Helen what she was brave enough to tell Danielle , that she thinks Helen is a vile , disgusting loud mouthed woman who doesn't wear a bra and excercises in front of the men for attention and she's seen enough of her arse , these would be good to start with , I would kinda like her then.

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

[Marsh.]

But she doesn't bottle up her feelings about Helen, she vents with her friend Danielle which is a good way of getting the tension out. Also, she doesn't suppress how she feels to Helen's face; Helen is very well aware that Ashleigh doesn't like her. :conf:
Just because Ashleigh isn't like Helen who thinks 'telling people how it is' is a virtue, doesn't make her a wimp. On the contrary.
As I said before, what exactly should Ashleigh confront Helen about? :conf:

a) Helen knows Ashleigh doesn't like her, not via Ashleigh herself doing anything but by Chinese whispers going through the house. Through Kimberley and Jale and a few others flitting between groups. They've never actually acknowledged anything between the two of them.

b) I never said she should have a confrontation. I was responding to your insinuation that Helen wouldn't dare confront Ashleigh because she knows Ashleigh would tear into her or that Ashleigh doesn't confront her because she's mature and intelligent. Both incorrect.

c) Ashleigh venting to Danielle is exactly what I said. Both she and Helen gather up hatred for people, Helen's flies out and straight into the person it's directed at when she has alcohol, in Ashleigh's case it causes the constant comments/bitching with Danielle to express herself. Neither is a mature option nor intelligent option.

[Kazanne]

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

That's fair enough if that's the kind of person people like,so people shouldn't be going round saying how up front she is,she isn't.

[jet]

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

:worship:

[MrWong]

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

:worship:

So,you'de rather have someone who slates you behind your back? that's good for you,but give me a head to head anyday.

[Marsh.]

..I do agree with what you’re saying in a way Marsh but I do also think though that 18yrs old is more of a border/threshold of maturity..she’s just becoming ‘mature’ and she has recent bullying experiences (they can’t have been long ago because of her age..)...which must have ‘scarred’ her maybe she does shy away from confrontations, who knows because it’s just that it hasn’t happened yet but I think discussing Helen’s spitefulness in the house would be quite normal because she has been pretty awful but then maybe Ashleigh, not only by her own experiences and associations but also by Helen’s ‘face to face’ hurtful comments in the house, has seen how little value that has in terms of how it makes someone feel who is on the receiving end of them...and even though she dislikes Helen so much, maybe she can’t bring herself to do this ‘honest’ stuff which most of us know is usually an excuse for being a spiteful person....’oh, well I just say what I think’..well, don’t keep your spitefulness to yourself....also, maybe Ashleigh's feelings have been supressed by others in the past so that she doesn't really want some screeching looney in her face, which she's seen all too often happen in the 'Helen confrontations'....

Oh definitely. I wasn't saying Ashleigh should follow Helen's method of doing things. I hate the "honest" excuse for being a nasty bitch too.

What I was getting at was the insinuation by some posters that Ashleigh is somehow faultless and more mature etc etc because she doesn't confront Helen or that people think Ashleigh has some kind of hold over Helen. They're both immature bitches, they just express it in different ways.

[Niamh.]

That's fair enough if that's the kind of person people like,so people shouldn't be going round saying how up front she is,she isn't.

Why isn't she upfront? Just because she doesn't go up and say "Helen I think you're an asshole and a bully blah blah blah" Who actually does that and is called upfront? People that behave like that in real life are disliked and tactless

[Marsh.]

Why isn't she upfront? Just because she doesn't go up and say "Helen I think you're an asshole and a bully blah blah blah" Who actually does that and is called upfront? People that behave like that in real life are disliked and tactless

I think she means instead of sitting down with Helen to discuss any bad blood between them she prefers to bitch incessantly and let her bitterness eat her away.

That doesn't make her any better than Helen IMO.

[Niamh.]

Oh definitely. I wasn't saying Ashleigh should follow Helen's method of doing things. I hate the "honest" excuse for being a nasty bitch too.

What I was getting at was the insinuation by some posters that Ashleigh is somehow faultless and more mature etc etc because she doesn't confront Helen or that people think Ashleigh has some kind of hold over Helen. They're both immature bitches, they just express it in different ways.

Me too, I don't know why it suddenly becomes an actual "quality" on Big Brother when you just know if people behaved like that in r/l they'd just be vile, rude people that you'd avoid like the plague. If everyone said what was on their minds directly to people all the time, none of us would be speaking to eachother :laugh:

[Kazanne]

Why isn't she upfront? Just because she doesn't go up and say "Helen I think you're an asshole and a bully blah blah blah" Who actually does that and is called upfront? People that behave like that in real life are disliked and tactless

And people who are sly and backstab are disliked also,I guess it's the type of person we are,myself I would prefer someone to tell me I'm an arsehole to my face rather than do it behind my back.:shrug:

[Niamh.]

I think she means instead of sitting down with Helen to discuss any bad blood between them she prefers to bitch incessantly and let her bitterness eat her away.

That doesn't make her any better than Helen IMO.

I guess she doesn't want to get on with her because she doesn't like her? :shrug: That's the impression I get anyway.....although the chants may change that lol

[Niamh.]

And people who are sly and backstab are disliked also,I guess it's the type of person we are,myself I would prefer someone to tell me I'm an arsehole to my face rather than do it behind my back.:shrug:

It's only back stabbing if she was pretending to be best buddies with Helen to her face...................which she really wasn't :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Me too, I don't know why it suddenly becomes an actual "quality" on Big Brother when you just know if people behaved like that in r/l they'd just be vile, rude people that you'd avoid like the plague. If everyone said what was on their minds directly to people all the time, none of us would be speaking to eachother :laugh:

Exactly. It wouldn't work.

I remember watching a show actually when all the characters had to tell the truth and be "honest" at all times. Everybody hated each other by the end and all the relationships fell apart. :laugh:

[Amy Jade]

It's only back stabbing if she was pretending to be best buddies with Helen to her face...................which she really wasn't :shrug:

But she and Danielle were pretending to be friends to Kim and slagging her off behind her back so both are back stabbers.

[Marsh.]

I guess she doesn't want to get on with her because she doesn't like her? :shrug: That's the impression I get anyway.....although the chants may change that lol

:laugh: Oh yeah, I wouldn't expect her to want to get on with her but make her problems known. When you're in a bubble like Big Brother you want things to be as easy as possible.

But since when is life in Big Brother ever easy? :laugh:

[Niamh.]

But she and Danielle were pretending to be friends to Kim and slagging her off behind her back so both are back stabbers.

They were actually friends with Kim until she disappeared up Helens arse

[Niamh.]

:laugh: Oh yeah, I wouldn't expect her to want to get on with her but make her problems known. When you're in a bubble like Big Brother you want things to be as easy as possible.

But since when is life in Big Brother ever easy? :laugh:

I know, I actually couldn't think of anything worse than being a HM

[MrWong]

They were actually friends with Kim until she disappeared up Helens arse

The truth.

[Amy Jade]

They were actually friends with Kim until she disappeared up Helens arse

She still tried to involve them both and be their friends though, somebody getting a new friend doesn't normally cause friends to become spiteful bitches.

Also still makes them two faced or Ashleigh or Danielle could have just told Kim they felt she had drifted but they were both a pair of arseholes and just slated her behind her back didn't they.

[jet]

So,you'de rather have someone who slates you behind your back? that's good for you,but give me a head to head anyday.

I absolutely would prefer it to a screeching witch screaming insults about my looks and personality into my face.
Are you forgetting that Helen also slagged people off behind their backs (Jale, Chris, Christopher) mocking them and calling them nasty names while sitting with her audience of laughing cronies..
Ashleigh does NOT do that. She dislikes Helen for the same reason most of us do, and talks about her with a friend. Massive difference.

[Amy Jade]

Ashleigh does NOT do that. She dislikes Helen for the same reason most of us do, and talks about her with a friend. Massive difference.
Yes, Ashleigh does actually. :laugh:

[jet]

Yes, Ashleigh does actually. :laugh:

She sits with a group of cronies and calls people names (slug etc) and makes derogatory comments about their looks while they laugh their asses off and egg her on? When was this?
I have only seen Ashleigh bitching with her friend in private about what a nasty vile cow Helen is, which is nothing but the honest truth.
Funny how nobody minds Danielle bitching about Helen. :suspect:

[Verbal]

She sits with a group of cronies and calls people names (slug etc) and makes derogatory comments about their looks while they laugh their asses off and egg her on? When was this?
I have only seen Ashleigh bitching with her friend in private about what a nasty vile cow Helen is, which is nothing but the honest truth.
Funny how nobody minds Danielle bitching about Helen. :suspect:

So they both do the same thing then, it's just Helen does it with a bigger group of people.

Brilliant.

[jet]

[QUOTE]a) Helen knows Ashleigh doesn't like her, not via Ashleigh herself doing anything but by Chinese whispers going through the house. Through Kimberley and Jale and a few others flitting between groups. They've never actually acknowledged anything between the two of them.

I think Ashleigh’s body language when around Helen was more than enough for Helen to know she doesn’t like her. I’m not in there and I can see it. I wonder why Helen doesn’t pick on Ashleigh when she knows she doesn’t like her? Hmmmm……

b) I never said she should have a confrontation. I was responding to your insinuation that Helen wouldn't dare confront Ashleigh because she knows Ashleigh would tear into her or that Ashleigh doesn't confront her because she's mature and intelligent. Both incorrect.

Funnily enough, I think both your points are incorrect –and I didn’t say Ashleigh would tear into her. I said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her – there is a difference.

Ashleigh venting to Danielle is exactly what I said. Both she and Helen gather up hatred for people, Helen's flies out and straight into the person it's directed at when she has alcohol, in Ashleigh's case it causes the constant comments/bitching with Danielle to express herself. Neither is a mature option nor intelligent option.


It is both intelligent and mature (and smart) to avoid any sort of confrontation whatsoever with that vile woman.

[jet]

So they both do the same thing then, it's just Helen does it with a bigger group of people.

Brilliant.

Don't pretend you don't see the difference. You aren't stupid.

[Verbal]

Don't pretend you don't see the difference. You aren't stupid.

She sits with a group of cronies and calls people names (slug etc) and makes derogatory comments about their looks while they laugh their asses off and egg her on? When was this?
I have only seen Ashleigh bitching with her friend in private about what a nasty vile cow Helen is

Both doing the exact same thing, both as bad as each other; except Helen is just being sarcastic. Ashleigh is just being a pure bitch.

[Marsh.]

I think Ashleigh’s body language when around Helen was more than enough for Helen to know she doesn’t like her. I’m not in there and I can see it. I wonder why Helen doesn’t pick on Ashleigh when she knows she doesn’t like her? Hmmmm……

Funnily enough, I think both your points are incorrect –and I didn’t say Ashleigh would tear into her. I said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her – there is a difference.

It is both intelligent and mature (and smart) to avoid any sort of confrontation whatsoever with that vile woman.

Tension between the two of them and "body language" is nothing to do with Ashleigh making her problems known. The whole house no she doesn't like them because she made no effort and would isolate herself in the bedroom or the pod. That's different. Ashleigh even admitted she made no effort to Helen and shut herself off but said she's been making more of an effort over the last week.

Knowing Ashleigh would stand up to her is irrelevant, it hasn't stopped Helen lashing out at others. She knows Christopher doesn't sit back and take it, he rabbits on and explains his corner; she knows Matthew argues back yet she still confronted him a second time.

It is mature and intelligent to avoid petty arguments. But replacing it with petty bitching and gossiping is not.
You keep finding ways to explain how your favourite is better than the housemate you hate whilst ignoring the huge similarities between them.

[Marsh.]

Don't pretend you don't see the difference. You aren't stupid.

Ashleigh bitches to Danielle but Helen bitches to about 4 people.

The only difference is the size of the group.

[jet]

She sits with a group of cronies and calls people names (slug etc) and makes derogatory comments about their looks while they laugh their asses off and egg her on? When was this?
I have only seen Ashleigh bitching with her friend in private about what a nasty vile cow Helen is

Both doing the exact same thing, both as bad as each other; except Helen is just being sarcastic. Ashleigh is just being a pure bitch.

So you really can't see the difference? Oh dear. :laugh:

[Verbal]

So you really can't see the difference? Oh dear. :laugh:

No, how about you point it out to me?

[jet]

Ashleigh bitches to Danielle but Helen bitches to about 4 people.

The only difference is the size of the group.

Do you really believe that Helen sitting with her group of lads, mocking and calling Jale, Christopher and Chris nasty names to show off and get laughs from her cronies is the same as Ashleigh bitching in private (not for laughs) to a friend about the person who calls people nasty, derogatory names?

Really?

Helen got a warning, part of the warning was for calling people insulting, nasty names. Did you forget about that?

[jet]

No, how about you point it out to me?

See my post above. I try to help people out when I can. :laugh:

[Verbal]

See my post above. I try to help people out when I can. :laugh:

I'm genuinely not getting it, I want you to tell me in plain english the point you're making

[jet]

I'm genuinely not getting it, I want you to tell me in plain english the point you're making

If you read my reply to Marsh and don't get it then I can't help you out any more than I have. :laugh:

[Verbal]

Do you really believe that Helen sitting with her group of lads, mocking and calling Jale, Christopher and Chris nasty names to show off and get laughs from her cronies is the same as Ashleigh bitching in private (not for laughs) to a friend about the person who calls people nasty, derogatory names?

Really?

Helen got a warning, part of the warning was for calling people insulting, nasty names. Did you forget about that?

Apart from the group size there is absolutely no difference, and if anything Ashleigh looks worse.

[Verbal]

If you read my reply to Marsh and don't get it then I can't help you out any more than I have. :laugh:

Yea... for future reference, in poker that is known as calling someones bluff

[Marsh.]

Do you really believe that Helen sitting with her group of lads, mocking and calling Jale, Christopher and Chris nasty names to show off and get laughs from her cronies is the same as Ashleigh bitching in private (not for laughs) to a friend about the person who calls people nasty, derogatory names?

Really?

Helen got a warning, part of the warning was for calling people insulting, nasty names. Did you forget about that?

I didn't forget about anything. You seem under the impression that I'm trying to justify Helen's actions, I'm not, I'm pointing out your failures in trying to justify Ashleigh's.

Helen being worse doesn't absolve Ashleigh of anything.

She's a bitch who chuckles with Danielle whilst slagging others off, and did it with Toya at times. Bitchy, miserable little girl.

The only difference between her and Helen is Helen is more brazen and has the mouth to make it more public.

[jet]

Well we'll all just have to agree to disagree then. You won't change your mind and I won't change mine.

[Marsh.]

Definitely. :laugh:

[Ammi]

..hmm, so in a group situation in something like a playground..the group sitting around and mocking people’s appearance/calling names/insulting an individual and the rest of the group smiling or just sitting there and being part of it is the same thing and on the same level as someone letting off steam to a friend or ‘confidante’ about what they think about that group of people for what they’re doing and how they make people feel with their ‘honesty’....in that playground situation, no it wouldn’t be at all and nor should it.....most people 'bitch' but most people don't think they have the right to insult people to their faces with such arrogance and disregard for anyone's feelings ....

[jet]

..hmm, so in a group situation in something like a playground..the group sitting around and mocking people’s appearance/calling names/insulting an individual and the rest of the group smiling or just sitting there and being part of it is the same thing and on the same level as someone letting off steam to a friend or ‘confidante’ about what they think about that group of people for what they’re doing and how they make people feel with their ‘honesty’....in that playground situation, no it wouldn’t be at all and nor should it.....most people 'bitch' but most people don't think they have the right to insult people to their faces with such arrogance and disregard for anyone's feelings ....

Apparently they think it's the same thing only Ashleigh is worse! They won't change their minds.
Great post once again Ammi...

[Verbal]

..hmm, so in a group situation in something like a playground..the group sitting around and mocking people’s appearance/calling names/insulting an individual and the rest of the group smiling or just sitting there and being part of it is the same thing and on the same level as someone letting off steam to a friend or ‘confidante’ about what they think about that group of people for what they’re doing and how they make people feel with their ‘honesty’....in that playground situation, no it wouldn’t be at all and nor should it.....most people 'bitch' but most people don't think they have the right to insult people to their faces with such arrogance and disregard for anyone's feelings ....

The others in there don't bitch about the others like these two.

If Helen has a problem with someone she will tell them to their face, as you are about to see on Ch 5

Ashleigh would pull Danielle into the bedroom bitch about it to her, and then sneakily plant the issue into other peoples heads.

Helen is brazen, Ashleigh is calculating snake.

[Marsh.]

I never said Ashleigh was worse. Understand my posts before repeating them. Thanks.

I don't tend to change my opinions when someone explains their biased point of view.

[Verbal]

Apparently they think it's the same thing only Ashleigh is worse! They won't change their minds.
Great post once again Ammi...

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

[Ammi]

The others in there don't bitch about the others like these two.

If Helen has a problem with someone she will tell them to their face, as you are about to see on Ch 5

Ashleigh would pull Danielle into the bedroom bitch about it to her, and then sneakily plant the issue into other peoples heads.

Helen is brazen, Ashleigh is calculating snake.

..I think that Helen seems to have a problem with a lot of people though...and probably she is the problem herself in her attitude that she'll 'hate' on anyone that doesn't support her miserable attitude....

[Ammi]

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

..oh my, there's just no response to that, really...

[Verbal]

..oh my, there's just no response to that, really...
:rolleyes:
I think it is quite a good analogy that explains how they both are to be honest.

[Kazanne]

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

:clap1::clap1:Well said Verbs

[MrWong]

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

When Ashleigh gets hauled into the diary room and warned twice for bullying behaviour and told one more strike and she's out, then she'll be worse.

Until that time Helen is worse.

[Verbal]

When Ashleigh gets hauled into the diary room and warned twice for bullying behaviour and told one more strike and she's out, then she'll be worse.

Until that time Helen is worse.

As i've said, over and over - the only difference and the reason Helen gets in trouble for it is because she makes a show of it infront of the entire house. Ashleigh just sneakily does it in the background.

I'll say it one last time and i'm out of this conversation, it is just going around in circles.

THEY ARE BOTH ESSENTIALLY DOING THE SAME THING.

[MrWong]

As i've said, over and over - the only difference and the reason Helen gets in trouble for it is because she makes a show of it infront of the entire house. Ashleigh just sneakily does it in the background.

I'll say it one last time and i'm out of this conversation, it is just going around in circles.

THEY ARE BOTH ESSENTIALLY DOING THE SAME THING.

Nope. Ashleigh hasn't bullied anyone.

She's bitched (like we all do on here every day) big difference.

[RodHull]

tbf Ashleigh has given her more reason than any of the people she's actually picked on.....

Helen is well aware (said as much to HMs and in the DR) that this is exactly what Ashleigh wants, for evil old Helen to be seen shouting at or 'bullying' an 18 year old girl... Helens not stupid she knows Ashleighs game from when she befriended Toya was to wind her up and get a reaction, so like she said she now just treats her like an 18 year old child and doesnt rise to it. Which just irritates princess misery guts even more.

And while were at it Ashleigh is totally gutless, talks a good game but NEVER to the persons face whos shes slagging off.

[clao]

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

[Kazanne]

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

there is always going to be someone around,they are locked in the house

[Marsh.]

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

When an open argument begins there's always going to be an audience for it.

They can hardly go for a walk to the shop can they?

[RodHull]

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

It came up because Chris started talking about it, so your point is invalid. Also its a small house except 3 maybe 4 people most of them are together most of time, theres always an audience, unless you spend your time with the witches of eastwick in the pod.

[MrWong]

there is always going to be someone around,they are locked in the house

There wasn't anyone around when Kim took Marlon aside.

[Vanessa]

Not really. She's just argumentative. :laugh:

[Jake.]

Helen's the typical playground bully, I for one wouldn't have her mimick my accent either (which she's done plenty of times).

[Jake.]

When an open argument begins there's always going to be an audience for it.

They can hardly go for a walk to the shop can they?

She could easily remove herself and that person from the situation. Fact is, she loves an audience who will clap her on.

[clao]

Helen's the typical playground bully, I for one wouldn't have her mimick my accent either (which she's done plenty of times).

if ashleigh was indian then helen would have been out within a heartbeat so why not for doing the nothern irish accent?

[RodHull]

She could easily remove herself and that person from the situation. Fact is, she loves an audience who will clap her on.

Helen doesn't give a s**t who watches is more the point, she literally doesnt care. Shes a hard nosed ex hooker she couldn't give a **** if theres an audience or not if she has something to say she says it. As she said many times 'shes bored or worrying about peoples "emotions" or upsetting people' and frankly I would be to, they are all hyper sensitive.

+ Chrismas was talking out of his arse about his reasons for not picking those 3, he tried to be clever and tactical and it failed.

[Jake.]

if ashleigh was indian then helen would have been out within a heartbeat so why not for doing the nothern irish accent?

Exactly what I was thinking, Marcus was given a warning for mimicking Sree was he not?

[Vanessa]

Helen doesn't give a s**t who watches is more the point, she literally doesnt care. Shes a hard nosed ex hooker she couldn't give a **** if theres an audience or not if she has something to say she says it. As she said many times 'shes bored or worrying about peoples "emotions" or upsetting people' and frankly I would be to, they are all hyper sensitive.

+ Chrismas was talking out of his arse about his reasons for not picking those 3, he tried to be clever and tactical and it failed.

:clap2:

[Marsh.]

She could easily remove herself and that person from the situation. Fact is, she loves an audience who will clap her on.

I think the point is that she doesn't care. Just how she struggles to see a line she shouldn't cross in arguments getting her the warnings. She just doesn't give a damn, that's part of her problem.

[Jake.]

I think the point is that she doesn't care. Just how she struggles to see a line she shouldn't cross in arguments getting her the warnings. She just doesn't give a damn, that's part of her problem.

Yeah, she's no doubt had a few as well, that's when her over-confidence really kicks in..

[Vanessa]

I think the point is that she doesn't care. Just how she struggles to see a line she shouldn't cross in arguments getting her the warnings. She just doesn't give a damn, that's part of her problem.

I like that she doesn't hold back.

[Jake.]

I like that she doesn't hold back.

There's not holding back, and then there's Helen. I don't always hold back and I can speak my mind easily, doesn't mean that I feel the need to be an absolute ***** about it every single time.

[clao]

Exactly what I was thinking, Marcus was given a warning for mimicking Sree was he not?

and with all the warnings helen has already had....... surely she should now be booted out

[rusticgal]

The difference is Helen can say all she likes because she is 'safe'.... I support Ashleigh because she hasn't been a sheep. She may not say it to Helens face but may have done if she had been in Helens position...either way Helen is a vile tramp and I cannot wait for her eviction...having said that I am glad she is in there because she represents the vilest of people and at the end of the day Ashleigh is the only one who speaks the public perception of the mouthy bitch.

[rusticgal]

There's not holding back, and then there's Helen. I don't always hold back and I can speak my mind easily, doesn't mean that I feel the need to be an absolute ***** about it every single time.

Precisely Jake...:cheer2:

[MrWong]

The difference is Helen can say all she likes because she is 'safe'.... I support Ashleigh because she hasn't been a sheep. She may not say it to Helens face but may have done if she had been in Helens position...either way Helen is a vile tramp and I cannot wait for her eviction...having said that I am glad she is in there because she represents the vilest of people and at the end of the day Ashleigh is the only one who speaks the public perception of the mouthy bitch.

Good point. She can't be nominated and can't be voted out. No wonder she's a mouthy aggressive gob****e.

[Jake.]

Boreeeeeeee offffffffff!!!!!!!!!

Great contribution

[Verbal]

Nope. Ashleigh hasn't bullied anyone.

She's bitched (like we all do on here every day) big difference.

I've acknowledged that there is a difference, but the only one is the audience they both have.

Was her telling blatant lies about Kim and Helen BEHIND THEIR BACK just bitching?

Was her hatching a plan to blind side Helen just bitching?

No, they were the actions of a devious, nasty little cow

[Verbal]

Nope. Ashleigh hasn't bullied anyone.

She's bitched (like we all do on here every day) big difference.

She hasn't bullied anyone to their face

But bad mouthing someone whether it is to their face or plotting behind their back are both bullying. Infact doing it behind someones back is a lot worse.

Just because you perceive Helen as a bully it doesnt make it ok to bully her. Which is exactly what has happened. Difference is, Helen doesnt care and doesnt act like a big baby about it.

[Yaki da]

She hasn't bullied anyone to their face


bully1
Line breaks: bully
Pronunciation: /ˈbʊli /
NOUN (plural bullies)

A person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker:

Ashleigh has really gone after the weak in there. Helen and Ash - the two gang leaders.


But bad mouthing someone whether it is to their face or plotting behind their back are both bullying. Infact doing it behind someones back is a lot worse.

What a load of bollocks. She gets her frustration off her chest by having a bitch about the others. Something we all do in life. What she did with Ash was play the game and get him up for eviction. She didn't try to isolate him from the rest of the house nor has she made particularly personal remarks about him. She just thinks he's an asshole. And he is.

Just because you perceive Helen as a bully it doesnt make it ok to bully her. Which is exactly what has happened. Difference is, Helen doesnt care and doesnt act like a big baby about it.

No, it has not happened. The logic is absurd. Helen has the support of the majority of people in that house. She is not in a vulnerable position, on the contrary, she is in the most powerful position in the house. She has both a free pass to the final and half of the men, the biggest men, hanging on to her every word. Just look at how violently she turned against Winston for actually daring to not bend to her will. She wanted a witch hunt and she wanted every man in that house on her side as she did it.

As for Helen not acting like a big baby. This woman screams abuse in people's faces for doing next to nothing or when they dare to disagree with something she's doing. She's the biggest child in there by some distance.

[Jake.]

I've acknowledged that there is a difference, but the only one is the audience they both have.

Was her telling blatant lies about Kim and Helen BEHIND THEIR BACK just bitching?

Was her hatching a plan to blind side Helen just bitching?

No, they were the actions of a devious, nasty little cow

No, it was called playing the game. Because that's what the whole thing is.. a gameshow.

[Yaki da]

No, it was called playing the game. Because that's what the whole thing is.. a gameshow.

Yes, and the alliance Helen has made with Ash, Marlon, Steven, Kimberly is part of that game. They have got themselves as a group into a dominant position and Ashleigh needed to do something to both take one of them out and also to save someone she was close to.

[Verbal]

So as long as Ashleigh lies and bitches its ok, but Helen does it and she is the spawn of the devil:joker:

[Yaki da]

So as long as Ashleigh lies and bitches its ok, but Helen does it and she is the spawn of the devil:joker:

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.

[Ammi]

..Helen doesn't just bitch though, she's quite the bully and that's on a whole new level..I know you don't see that Verbal and are equating them as the same thing so yeah, it's an agree to differ thing because I will never see the Helen that you do...but I guess that's all in the BB fan game, yeah...

[Ammi]

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.

..look at you with your quick typing and getting there first..:laugh:...but yeah, basically what you said....

[Verbal]

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.

So Ashleigh doesn't insult people's looks? Doesn't try to isolate other? She's not been aggressive? Ashleigh's been a ray of sunshine?

Do you even watch the show, or do you turn the sound down and just swoon over 'the 18 year old' ?

cX_8eDClwOw

There are dozens of examples, I just really can't be bothered to go through them all.

I had to turn the sound right up cos the snidey little cow was just whispering most of the time, because she hasn't got the bottle to voice her opinions to anyone other than her lap dog, Danielle.

[Verbal]

bully1
Line breaks: bully
Pronunciation: /ˈbʊli /
NOUN (plural bullies)

A person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker:

Ashleigh has really gone after the weak in there. Helen and Ash - the two gang leaders.




What a load of bollocks. She gets her frustration off her chest by having a bitch about the others. Something we all do in life. What she did with Ash was play the game and get him up for eviction. She didn't try to isolate him from the rest of the house nor has she made particularly personal remarks about him. She just thinks he's an asshole. And he is.



No, it has not happened. The logic is absurd. Helen has the support of the majority of people in that house. She is not in a vulnerable position, on the contrary, she is in the most powerful position in the house. She has both a free pass to the final and half of the men, the biggest men, hanging on to her every word. Just look at how violently she turned against Winston for actually daring to not bend to her will. She wanted a witch hunt and she wanted every man in that house on her side as she did it.

As for Helen not acting like a big baby. This woman screams abuse in people's faces for doing next to nothing or when they dare to disagree with something she's doing. She's the biggest child in there by some distance.
I know what bully means, thanks. I can't believe you had to look that up and copy and paste it :joker:

[MrWong]

I've acknowledged that there is a difference, but the only one is the audience they both have.

Was her telling blatant lies about Kim and Helen BEHIND THEIR BACK just bitching?

Was her hatching a plan to blind side Helen just bitching?

No, they were the actions of a devious, nasty little cow

You think gameplaying is bitching? :umm2:

[Verbal]

You think gameplaying is bitching? :umm2:

The way she goes about it, yes 100%

[MrWong]

She hasn't bullied anyone to their face

But bad mouthing someone whether it is to their face or plotting behind their back are both bullying. Infact doing it behind someones back is a lot worse.

Just because you perceive Helen as a bully it doesnt make it ok to bully her. Which is exactly what has happened. Difference is, Helen doesnt care and doesnt act like a big baby about it.


We're bad mouthing the housemates everyday behind their backs. Is that bullying? Plotting to get someone evicted isn't bullying either.

Bullying is what Helen has been warned twice for.

Helen acted like a big baby when she threw a tantrum over not being invited to a party.

[Yaki da]

So Ashleigh doesn't insult people's looks? Doesn't try to isolate other? She's not been aggressive? Ashleigh's been a ray of sunshine?

No, she's not been particularly aggressive. And if you think she has been compared to what Helen has done with Danielle, Matthew and now her, then you're blind and deaf.

Do you even watch the show, or do you turn the sound down and just swoon over 'the 18 year old' ?

cX_8eDClwOw

There are dozens of examples, I just really can't be bothered to go through them all.

She lists the people she'd like to see go and the work Helen has had done on herself. She says Marlon's feet disgust her. Hardly a vicious insult.


I had to turn the sound right up cos the snidey little cow was just whispering most of the time, because she hasn't got the bottle to voice her opinions to anyone other than her lap dog, Danielle.

Yeah, you see, she's living in a house with them. Telling people exactly what you think of them when you have to wake up with them there the next day is only likely to be unpleasant for you and unpleasant for everyone else.

[rusticgal]

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.


Well said...

[Kizzy]

So Ashleigh doesn't insult people's looks? Doesn't try to isolate other? She's not been aggressive? Ashleigh's been a ray of sunshine?

Do you even watch the show, or do you turn the sound down and just swoon over 'the 18 year old' ?

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There are dozens of examples, I just really can't be bothered to go through them all.

I had to turn the sound right up cos the snidey little cow was just whispering most of the time, because she hasn't got the bottle to voice her opinions to anyone other than her lap dog, Danielle.

Agreed, some are just blindsided by the fact she looks like a disney princess :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Nothing wrong with what Ashleigh tried to do,It was a valliant attempt to try and thin out the numbers of the cool gang and no-one else has had the courage or where with all to even attempt it.She's working solo and she did extremely well to even out fox Helen and get Ash up(which she did),It's not her fault the public did'nt help her.She needs an ally or two in there to pull it off or atleast for the public to have the brain capacity to understand what she was trying to do and back her up.It was a fair effort from her.Well done Ashleigh!

[Beso]

Nothing wrong with what Ashleigh tried to do,It was a valliant attempt to try and thin out the numbers of the cool gang and no-one else has had the courage or where with all to even attempt it.She's working solo and she did extremely well to even out fox Helen and get Ash up(which she did),It's not her fault the public did'nt help her.She needs an ally or two in there to pull it off or atleast for the public to have the brain capacity to understand what she was trying to do and back her up.It was a fair effort from her.Well done Ashleigh!

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Jake.]

Agreed, some are just blindsided by the fact she looks like a disney princess :laugh:

Or just don't like the fact that Helen is a flaming *******

[Verbal]

Any latecomers to this thread can just read the first 4 pages and skip the rest, it's all the same people talking absolute rubbish on repeat

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[kefln]

Nope. Helen has gone far further than that. And you know it. She has insulted people's looks, attempted to isolate others, abused the powerful position she's in, been aggressive to the point that it looks like something violent could happen and in general just been a deeply unpleasant person. She seems to think, like you, that there's some double standard, and that they attack her because she's got a shrieking voice. The truth that she's just 10 times more odious than anyone else in there is something she cannot admit to herself. And one of the reasons she can't is because of the ****ing drips in there who hang on to her every word.
Well said.

It doesn't matter how well you make a point, or how many samples you bring up, the is no resolving the "Helen V Ashleigh" debate.

The problem is that some see Helen's behaviour as entertainment. Both inside the house and by the viewers. While Ashleighs behaviour is been vilified despite the fact that she is essentially a polite young woman, who only "b*tches" to her friend.

Its an interesting deflection process. Ignore the very bad bahaviour of one person and over fixate on the minor discretions of another. And you can't argue against it, because it has a "digging in" effect.

Its a little like Helen's nomination of Ashleigh. Everything that she said is a mirror of her own behaviour. Yet she can't see it, as she see's herself as entertaining, so she blames it all on Ashleigh.

[Miranda123]

She has done it all through the show, she picks on the weak housemates or the housemates who have a problem with other housemates..she has done this with dannielle, jale, Christopher,chris,mathew and is now doing it with Ashleigh.

typical bully's behaviour.

get the blue waffled minge out please.

Poor poor Ashleigh lol

last week she was an Evil genius, lol make up your mind folks

lets just agree, that she is a prissy little madam who needs to know her place, and leave it at that

HELEN TO WIN!!!

[Miranda123]

Or just don't like the fact that Helen is a flaming *******

Seeing the ugly crying mush on your post, Im assuming you're still flogging the dead horse that is a Toya/Ashleigh win

lololol

[Miranda123]

Nothing wrong with what Ashleigh tried to do,It was a valliant attempt to try and thin out the numbers of the cool gang and no-one else has had the courage or where with all to even attempt it.She's working solo and she did extremely well to even out fox Helen and get Ash up(which she did),It's not her fault the public did'nt help her.She needs an ally or two in there to pull it off or atleast for the public to have the brain capacity to understand what she was trying to do and back her up.It was a fair effort from her.Well done Ashleigh!

She did try.....and FAILED MISERABLY lol

[kefln]

Poor poor Ashleigh lol

last week she was an Evil genius, lol make up your mind folks

lets just agree, that she is a prissy little madam who needs to know her place, and leave it at that

HELEN TO WIN!!!

And people say that irony is a lost art

:laugh2:

[Miranda123]

I think the point is that she doesn't care. Just how she struggles to see a line she shouldn't cross in arguments getting her the warnings. She just doesn't give a damn, that's part of her problem.

And the main reason she is a great housemate!!

Helen to WIN!!!

[Miranda123]

Good point. She can't be nominated and can't be voted out. No wonder she's a mouthy aggressive gob****e.

i think we all know Helen wouldnt have been any different

Good on the BB team for making sure we got to see the very best of her

And good on them for putting in a nasty little madam who was available to get OWNED!!!!

[Miranda123]

..hmm, so in a group situation in something like a playground..the group sitting around and mocking people’s appearance/calling names/insulting an individual and the rest of the group smiling or just sitting there and being part of it is the same thing and on the same level as someone letting off steam to a friend or ‘confidante’ about what they think about that group of people for what they’re doing and how they make people feel with their ‘honesty’....in that playground situation, no it wouldn’t be at all and nor should it.....most people 'bitch' but most people don't think they have the right to insult people to their faces with such arrogance and disregard for anyone's feelings ....

most people do bitch, at some points in their lives

Ashleigh bitches ALL the time, its the only thing we know her for, and unlike the fantasy (that she hasnt been shown being nice by BB producers) its obvious that she has NEVER said anything nice about anyone, and therefore it cannot be shown cause it never happened

She said in her audition tape that a lot of people HATE her.................no shock there lol

[Miranda123]

:rolleyes:
I think it is quite a good analogy that explains how they both are to be honest.

Well said Verbal.......are we making a **** load of sense or what!!!!

HELEN TO WIN!!!

[Miranda123]

When Ashleigh gets hauled into the diary room and warned twice for bullying behaviour and told one more strike and she's out, then she'll be worse.

Until that time Helen is worse.

But we LOVE that!!!

HELEN TO WIN!!!

[Verbal]

Miranda is on a mission in this thread :laugh::thumbs:

[Miranda123]

Helen's the typical playground bully, I for one wouldn't have her mimick my accent either (which she's done plenty of times).

Impersonation of peoples accents: See every time Ashleigh opens her sh.t filled gob to slag someone off!

Poor poor Ashleigh lololol

If you cant take it, dont dish it out!!!

[Miranda123]

Miranda is on a mission in this thread :laugh::thumbs:

Im always on a mission Verbal lol

They dont always work but they have every week with

Pauline OUT
Toya OUT
Matthew OUT

Did I forget anyone?

It reminds me of that McDonalds song.....................I'M LOVING IT!!!

[Miranda123]

They were actually friends with Kim until she disappeared up Helens arse

Im surprised at this post Niamh, youre normally very accurate

They were friends with Kim but as soon as she had the audacity to talk to someone other than the nasties Ashleigh & Toya, they cut her loose and started slagging her off too, in fact more than they were about Helen

So in essence, if Kim had stuck her head up Toyas arse the way Ashleigh did, all would have been fine, because she chose to mix with everyone, she was excommunicated by the dressing gown gang!!

And when Ashleigh & Toya then saw (from the stairs) that Danielle was having a chat with Kim, Ashleigh told Toya that would like to kick the **** out of danielle for doing so

Maybe Kim is now of the opinion (with some help from Ashleighs behaviour) that Helen's arse is a much nicer place to put your head than up Toya's or Ashleighs

And I for one, agree with her

[Achilles]

most people do bitch, at some points in their lives

Ashleigh bitches ALL the time, its the only thing we know her for, and unlike the fantasy (that she hasnt been shown being nice by BB producers) its obvious that she has NEVER said anything nice about anyone, and therefore it cannot be shown cause it never happened

She said in her audition tape that a lot of people HATE her.................no shock there lol

We only see about 4-6% of footage each day. Big Brother choose what footage we see.

[Miranda123]

We only see about 4-6% of footage each day. Big Brother choose what footage we see.

and they have had NO choice but the show Ashleigh bitching cause that is all she does.....................end of

[rusticgal]

Nothing wrong with what Ashleigh tried to do,It was a valliant attempt to try and thin out the numbers of the cool gang and no-one else has had the courage or where with all to even attempt it.She's working solo and she did extremely well to even out fox Helen and get Ash up(which she did),It's not her fault the public did'nt help her.She needs an ally or two in there to pull it off or atleast for the public to have the brain capacity to understand what she was trying to do and back her up.It was a fair effort from her.Well done Ashleigh!


:cheer2:....precisely.

[Miranda123]

:cheer2:....precisely.

she got OWNED....get over it

[Achilles]

and they have had NO choice but the show Ashleigh bitching cause that is all she does.....................end of

They do have a choice and they choose to only show her bitching.

[Miranda123]

She won't pick on Ashleigh.... She is intimidated by Ashleigh because Ashleigh can be more articulate and that intimidates her....

yeah that prophecy worked well for you lol

Ashleigh got OWNED, silly little girl



HELEN TO WIN!!!

[jet]

Nothing wrong with what Ashleigh tried to do,It was a valliant attempt to try and thin out the numbers of the cool gang and no-one else has had the courage or where with all to even attempt it.She's working solo and she did extremely well to even out fox Helen and get Ash up(which she did),It's not her fault the public did'nt help her.She needs an ally or two in there to pull it off or atleast for the public to have the brain capacity to understand what she was trying to do and back her up.It was a fair effort from her.Well done Ashleigh!

100% accurate post :clap1:

[Verbal]

They do have a choice and they choose to only show her bitching.

So there is extra footage that you've seen of her maybe cradling Christopher to sleep or combing Mark's eyebrows? They just haven't deemed the rest of the UK worthy of the footage?

[rusticgal]

Seeing the ugly crying mush on your post, Im assuming you're still flogging the dead horse that is a Toya/Ashleigh win

lololol

TBH....I can understand people liking Helen for entertainment value...but wanting the bitch to win is something else.
Nobody in their right mind would want a vile character like Helen to walk off wit the win... Says a lot about someone....or are you a relation?

[CaudleHalbard]

Helen could walk out to cheers if she calms down after Ashleigh is evicted.

Stranger things have happened! ;)

[Beso]

And the main reason she is a great housemate!!

Helen to WIN!!!

is she though...


I can only assume the drop in ratings is down to Helen being impossible to watch for some because of her nastiness...

[Verbal]

is she though...


I can only assume the drop in ratings is down to Helen being impossible to watch for some because of her nastiness...

See, the problem with your argument there is that YOU ALL WATCH IT. What else would you do with your days if you couldn't come on here and bitch about her?

The show NEEDS her
YOU NEED HER

[Niamh.]

See, the problem with your argument there is that YOU ALL WATCH IT. What else would you do with your days if you couldn't come on here and bitch about her?

The show NEEDS her
YOU NEED HER

I agree we all appreciate a good villain to get riled up about, I think what is frustrating though about this time is that pass to the final. The viewers like to see justice carried out and denying them that is frustrating and the whole "You Decide" tagline seems redundant this year when we can't evict the biggest villain in there. I don't think the show would fall a part without her there, yes she's given us alot of talking points but I for one am bored of the same old s**t now, I would like her gone so we could see the house dynamics take a proper shift.

[Beso]

See, the problem with your argument there is that YOU ALL WATCH IT. What else would you do with your days if you couldn't come on here and bitch about her?

The show NEEDS her
YOU NEED HER

wrong again, I never usually miss a show but this year I'm ho hum, cause Helens to hard to watch, I am also hardly ever on here either cause she's so **** to watch and talk about.

[Verbal]

wrong again, I never usually miss a show but this year I'm ho hum, cause Helens to hard to watch, I am also hardly ever on here either cause she's so **** to watch and talk about.

You're on here all the time :joker:

[Beso]

You're on here all the time :joker:

pile of pish.....:nono:

[kefln]

I agree we all appreciate a good villain to get riled up about, I think what is frustrating though about this time is that pass to the final. The viewers like to see justice carried out and denying them that is frustrating and the whole "You Decide" tagline seems redundant this year when we can't evict the biggest villain in there. I don't think the show would fall a part without her there, yes she's given us alot of talking points but I for one am bored of the same old s**t now, I would like her gone so we could see the house dynamics take a proper shift.

I think there is more to it than just the free pass, there is also the house dynamic to consider.

No one in the house can nominate her, they've lost their ability to react to her behaviour, they have no choice but to buckle under. And whats funny is that the most vocal "anti-Helen" HM is now getting it in the neck from the audience.

With the saving of Ash, the free pass, and the booing of Ashleigh, the HMs are powerless and voiceless. Christopher dared not to give her a party pass and she publicly abused him over it. What other HM would react like that?

We will never get a true indication of how the HMs feel about Helen because she currently holds all the cards. Her abusive hard nose nature futher compounds the problem. It could well be that there are a couple of HMs able to take her down a peg, but to what end? They would need the ability to sustain that level of hostility for the rest of the show, because they'd be vulnerable to nomination, while she isn't.

[Johnnyuk123]

Helen comes out of the diary room and goes straight for Ashleigh. :joker:

http://i.imgur.com/mfAQk4l.gif

[Heaven = Winner]

And the main reason she is a great housemate!!

Helen to WIN!!!

If Makosi didn't win her series, Helen sure as hell doesn't deserve to win this one.