Makes some good points but...

[Josy]

Helen can sometimes make some really good points, when she argues with people she rarely doesn't have a good point but it's her delivery of it that fails her every time, her argument with Ashleigh as an example, had she taken Ashleigh to the side and they had it out between themselves then she wouldn't have came across so badly IMO.

[Niamh.]

maybe so but the fact is what she was taking Ashleigh to task for is nothing she hasn't done herself, infact she's been far nastier, except she's done it to peoples faces which then goes from bitching to bullying. I don't get the logic that it's ok to be rude and nasty as long as you're rude and nasty to peoples faces?

[Verbal]

maybe so but the fact is what she was taking Ashleigh to task for is nothing she hasn't done herself, infact she's been far nastier, except she's done it to peoples faces which then goes from bitching to bullying. I don't get the logic that it's ok to be rude and nasty as long as you're rude and nasty to peoples faces?

So if someone has a problem with you, you would rather them laugh and snigger and bitch behind your back rather than come up to your face and say it as plain as day right at you?

Never bullied at school were you?

[Josy]

maybe so but the fact is what she was taking Ashleigh to task for is nothing she hasn't done herself, infact she's been far nastier, except she's done it to peoples faces which then goes from bitching to bullying. I don't get the logic that it's ok to be rude and nasty as long as you're rude and nasty to peoples faces?

I agree that it's not ok to be nasty either way behind backs or to someone's face but I suppose saying what you think to someone's face is more upfront and honest?

Helen was more pissed off at Ashleigh for trying to mastermind Ash's eviction and Ashleigh was very smug about it all in the DR lets be honest? when the rest of the girls were worrying about who would be facing eviction because of them.

This is what caused Helen to attack as soon as she got out of the task room, not Ashleigh bitching IMO.

[Niamh.]

So if someone has a problem with you, you would rather them laugh and snigger and bitch behind your back rather than come up to your face and say it as plain as day right at you?

Never bullied at school were you?

Well, when I look at what Helen did to Christopher and Jale in the beginning calling them "slug" and "wasp" shouting boring at Christopher when he walked past, shouting at jale for being in the same room as her......yes I would choose the bitching with a friend option everyday.

No, I wasn't bullied at school, I don't see your point though. Helens way looked much more like bullying to me :shrug:

[Miranda123]

I agree that it's not ok to be nasty either way behind backs or to someone's face but I suppose saying what you think to someone's face is more upfront and honest?

Helen was more pissed off at Ashleigh for trying to mastermind Ash's eviction and Ashleigh was very smug about it all in the DR lets be honest? when the rest of the girls were worrying about who would be facing eviction because of them.

This is what caused Helen to attack as soon as she got out of the task room, not Ashleigh bitching IMO.

Its because Helens emotions are always at the surface, unlike Kim, who has none. I thought it was admirable that Helen defended Ash in that argument and I was disappointed in Jale, that she tries to be soooo controlled about it, that we see nothing of her real feelings. Helen gets angry at someone, she lets them know straight away. Kim and Jale are just always playing to the cameras and dont want to rock the boat for fear of going home!

I didnt like Helen at first, as you may know, but she is now my favourite, because this is Big Brother, we want to see a house full of emotional wrecks, thats why we watch it!!

Can you imagine a house full of Kims???? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Kazanne]

I agree with Josy,Helen is spot on about people sometimes,she just needs to lower her voice and breathe and speak calmly,what makes her seem aggressive, is her shouting.

[the truth]

shes so verbally abusive its almost ignored, the amount she swears at people is disgraceful

[Crimson Dynamo]

Her desire to shame Ashleigh overtook logic. She is jealous of her and is scared of her so jumped at a chance to try and ruin her in others eyes.

[Josy]

shes so verbally abusive its almost ignored, the amount she swears at people is disgraceful

Yes she goes way over the top which was my point in the OP, she does make good points during arguments but her delivery of them lets her down every time.

[Miranda123]

Well, when I look at what Helen did to Christopher and Jale in the beginning calling them "slug" and "wasp" shouting boring at Christopher when he walked past, shouting at jale for being in the same room as her......yes I would choose the bitching with a friend option everyday.

No, I wasn't bullied at school, I don't see your point though. Helens way looked much more like bullying to me :shrug:

Yes Helen can definetly be a bully, if a bully is a person who shouts obscenities at her enemies, but I love that about her. I want to see someone show every emotion they have, every time they are in a bad mood, or in a really good mood

I am not entertained by people sitting around in corners whispering about what they think about certain people but always smiling to their faces

Call me fickle, but I want a raucous BB not a quiet, library atmosphere full of secretive bitching!!

[Niamh.]

I agree that it's not ok to be nasty either way behind backs or to someone's face but I suppose saying what you think to someone's face is more upfront and honest?

Helen was more pissed off at Ashleigh for trying to mastermind Ash's eviction and Ashleigh was very smug about it all in the DR lets be honest? when the rest of the girls were worrying about who would be facing eviction because of them.

This is what caused Helen to attack as soon as she got out of the task room, not Ashleigh bitching IMO.

But insulting someone to their face isn't being honest, it's being unnecessarily
rude and spiteful, where as having a bitch with your friend about someone you don't like is quite normal and i would guess what most people do? I don't care if someone I don't like is talking about me behind me back, I don't even like them but I would find it quite rude and possibly intimidating for them to come up and start insulting me :shrug:

tbf to Ashleigh though, she was "being honest" in the Diary Room and answering leading questions by BB, this wasn't supposed to be shown to the HMs so it shouldn't have mattered

[Miranda123]

Yes she goes way over the top which was my point in the OP, she does make good points during arguments but her delivery of them lets her down every time.

and this is why I would never go on BB, if you think Helen has a potty mouth..............
and I wouldnt be worried about the fact that she is only 18 either......if youre old enough to give it.........youre old enough to take it bitch! lol

[Niamh.]

Yes Helen can definetly be a bully, if a bully is a person who shouts obscenities at her enemies, but I love that about her. I want to see someone show every emotion they have, every time they are in a bad mood, or in a really good mood

I am not entertained by people sitting around in corners whispering about what they think about certain people but always smiling to their faces

Call me fickle, but I want a raucous BB not a quiet, library atmosphere full of secretive bitching!!

Ok then :umm2:

[Marsh.]

It wasn't about her not liking Ashleigh bitching or it's ok for Helen.

She was pissed off about her being sneaky about the girl power task.

But let's not jump on "Helen swore at her", Ashleigh dropped a few choice f-bombs herself.

[Verbal]

Well, when I look at what Helen did to Christopher and Jale in the beginning calling them "slug" and "wasp" shouting boring at Christopher when he walked past, shouting at jale for being in the same room as her......yes I would choose the bitching with a friend option everyday.

No, I wasn't bullied at school, I don't see your point though. Helens way looked much more like bullying to me :shrug:

Well you see, when a bully approaches their victim face to face, they are putting their own neck on the line, as there is more than a good chance they are going to get (to put it nicely) shot down (not literally).

If there is a faceless entity taking it upon themselves to ruin you behind your back there is nothing you can do about it, as they are hiding in the shadows.

I was bullied at primary school, behind my back

Nobody would even speak to me for the entire time I was there, and I had no idea why

I was bullied in the first year of comprehensive

This particular bully came up to my face trying to throw his weight around trying to intimidate me...let's just say he didn't do it again.


It is for these reasons that none of what you say constitutes bullying, and is also the reason that Ashleigh is by far the worse person.

[Niamh.]

It wasn't about her not liking Ashleigh bitching or it's ok for Helen.

She was pissed off about her being sneaky about the girl power task.

getting one over on her :hehe:

[Josy]

But insulting someone to their face isn't being honest, it's being unnecessarily
rude and spiteful, where as having a bitch with your friend about someone you don't like is quite normal and i would guess what most people do? I don't care if someone I don't like is talking about me behind me back, I don't even like them but I would find it quite rude and possibly intimidating for them to come up and start insulting me :shrug:

tbf to Ashleigh though, she was "being honest" in the Diary Room and answering leading questions by BB, this wasn't supposed to be shown to the HMs so it shouldn't have mattered

Bitching is something everyone does yes but Ashleigh was at the point that she was doing it constant and calling people nasty names every time she did it, doing nothing else at all apart from that even her Mum told her in the clip to have fun with the housemates she did like and smile a bit.

I know Ashleigh was being honest in the DR but she was still smug about it?

Which is what I think caused Helen to go mad about it, nothing to do with the bitching. And why I also think Helen had a good point but the way she went about it all made her look like the bad guy.

[Livia]

Good points or not, Helen call out other people for stuff she does herself. What's more, she never sees herself as being in the wrong. She belittles and ridicules people, forgetting that she herself has constantly bitched about other housemates and said some pretty strong stuff. I know plenty of people on this forum have been bullied and I bet those who have can see in Helen something spitefully familiar. She's a nightmare.

[Verbal]

shes so verbally abusive its almost ignored, the amount she swears at people is disgraceful

Swearing is just the way some people talk, it's expression for the working classes. Where I live it is just part of the language used.

[Marsh.]

getting one over on her :hehe:

Wel being sneaky about it she has every right to be pissed off. Granted after the first clip she completely forgot Jale and Kim's input, but whilst everyone else seemingly struggled with the decision Ashleigh purposely excluded Helen from discussions as though her opinions weren't equally important.

If Helen did that to Ashleigh excluding her from it all and plotting as though she didn't matter then the word "bully" would no doubt come up again.

[Miranda123]

But insulting someone to their face isn't being honest, it's being unnecessarily
rude and spiteful, where as having a bitch with your friend about someone you don't like is quite normal and i would guess what most people do? I don't care if someone I don't like is talking about me behind me back, I don't even like them but I would find it quite rude and possibly intimidating for them to come up and start insulting me :shrug:

tbf to Ashleigh though, she was "being honest" in the Diary Room and answering leading questions by BB, this wasn't supposed to be shown to the HMs so it shouldn't have mattered

I know what youre saying, of course in real life we dont go around doing that to people we dont like, but most of the time, in real life, unless its someone you work with, youre not really gonna be around people you hate, are you?

can you imagine having to live in a house with several people that you actually dislike intently, Id be rowing every day lol

so I think the whole thing is designed to set people on edge, and if youre the kind of person, who is a gob****e in a row, then youre gonna do it to the max in there surely??

Think of it this way, you work at a place with 12 staff and you hate 4 of them, thats gonna really ruin your job for you isnt it? But even then, you get a few hours off, at home or out, to chill and realise that you cant let it bother you, in there, you just have to lump it

Id be arrested Niamh and hauled out by the old bill lol

[the truth]

helen cant take it to her face anyway she just gets more abusive and threatening. thats why theres no point telling her all your opinions to her face. she is a complete and utter twat. almost everything is wrong with her, it would take 50 years to tel her all her faults to her face. especially as she never listens and shouts over everything

[Marsh.]

Swearing is just the way some people talk, it's expression for the working classes. Where I live it is just part of the language used.

Don't generalise so much. The upper classes swear like troopers. It's a type of person who use these words, not restricted to class.

[Niamh.]

Well you see, when a bully approaches their victim face to face, they are putting their own neck on the line, as there is more than a good chance they are going to get (to put it nicely) shot down (not literally).

If there is a faceless entity taking it upon themselves to ruin you behind your back there is nothing you can do about it, as they are hiding in the shadows.

I was bullied at primary school, behind my back

Nobody would even speak to me for the entire time I was there, and I had no idea why

I was bullied in the first year of comprehensive

This particular bully came up to my face trying to throw his weight around trying to intimidate me...let's just say he didn't do it again.


It is for these reasons that none of what you say constitutes bullying, and is also the reason that Ashleigh is by far the worse person.

Well, I am sorry to hear that you went through that but do you not think there is more than one way to bully someone? Not everyone would be able to fight back in a face to face situation either and I think that's a pretty common way to bully a person also.

I disagree that what Ashleigh was doing is bullying, bitching about a person you don't like with your friend isn't bullying :shrug:

[Josy]

Good points or not, Helen call out other people for stuff she does herself. What's more, she never sees herself as being in the wrong. She belittles and ridicules people, forgetting that she herself has constantly bitched about other housemates and said some pretty strong stuff. I know plenty of people on this forum have been bullied and I bet those who have can see in Helen something spitefully familiar. She's a nightmare.

Helen was calling Ashleigh out on her plan to get Ash evicted, as far as I know and as far as we have been shown Helen has never individually tried to orchestrate another housemates eviction.

I don't disagree she is a nightmare and belittles people etc that was the point of this thread really.

[Livia]

Swearing is just the way some people talk, it's expression for the working classes. Where I live it is just part of the language used.

I consider myself working class. I don't have a mouth like Helen and neither does anyone of my family. Having worked for the Tories, I can assure you that swearing is not the domain only of the working classes.

[Miranda123]

I consider myself working class. I don't have a mouth like Helen and neither does anyone of my family. Having worked for the Tories, I can assure you that swearing is not the domain only of the working classes.

I do, and I am a Tory lol

[chuff me dizzy]

Once you shout like she does youve lost the argument ,thats why Ashleigh came out the best in the row ,she kept her cool ,but got across what she needed to

[Miranda123]

Helen was calling Ashleigh out on her plan to get Ash evicted, as far as I know and as far as we have been shown Helen has never individually tried to orchestrate another housemates eviction.

I don't disagree she is a nightmare and belittles people etc that was the point of this thread really.

she is an absolutely fabulous nightmare though lol

[Miranda123]

Once you shout like she does youve lost the argument ,thats why Ashleigh came out the best in the row ,she kept her cool ,but got across what she needed to

spineless little runt

[Livia]

Helen was calling Ashleigh out on her plan to get Ash evicted, as far as I know and as far as we have been shown Helen has never individually tried to orchestrate another housemates eviction.

I don't disagree she is a nightmare and belittles people etc that was the point of this thread really.

Maybe Helen hasn't tried to orchestrate someone's departure but if she had the brains for it, she'd probably have given it a go. But then, everything else she's done kind of makes up for it.

I think it was a spiteful thing to do, showing Ashleigh's comments to someone like Helen. BB knew what would happen. I'm not a fan of Ashleigh, but I feel she's been victimised.

[Verbal]

Well, I am sorry to hear that you went through that but do you not think there is more than one way to bully someone? Not everyone would be able to fight back in a face to face situation either and I think that's a pretty common way to bully a person also.

I disagree that what Ashleigh was doing is bullying, bitching about a person you don't like with your friend isn't bullying :shrug:

I've pointed out two ways of 'bullying' someone. The most honest and decent way is to approach the person you have a problem with and let them know it and (as the bully) deal with the consequences.

I also said neither is bullying

What they are both doing, is point scoring, at best. Nothing more.

[the truth]

Helen was calling Ashleigh out on her plan to get Ash evicted, as far as I know and as far as we have been shown Helen has never individually tried to orchestrate another housemates eviction.

I don't disagree she is a nightmare and belittles people etc that was the point of this thread really.

everyone has a plan, helen is too thick and ignorant to even grasp what ashleighs plan was and why it was. helen is a boring bully

[Verbal]

I consider myself working class. I don't have a mouth like Helen and neither does anyone of my family. Having worked for the Tories, I can assure you that swearing is not the domain only of the working classes.

Where are you attending University again? Law you're studying aren't you? If you have worked for the Tories as well, you are not working class. Are you taking the piss?

[the truth]

Maybe Helen hasn't tried to orchestrate someone's departure but if she had the brains for it, she'd probably have given it a go. But then, everything else she's done kind of makes up for it.

I think it was a spiteful thing to do, showing Ashleigh's comments to someone like Helen. BB knew what would happen. I'm not a fan of Ashleigh, but I feel she's been victimised.

it was pathetic, they also did a bit of a hatchet job of chris. jale's reaction to him was pathetic

[Niamh.]

I've pointed out two ways of 'bullying' someone. The most honest and decent way is to approach the person you have a problem with and let them know it and (as the bully) deal with the consequences.

I also said neither is bullying

What they are both doing, is point scoring, at best. Nothing more.

I don't think Helen is bullying Ashleigh but I do think she bullied Christopher and jale at the start. You may disagree with that but plenty of others agree with me :shrug:

[the truth]

shes bullied most people, especially matthew

[Miranda123]

I don't think Helen is bullying Ashleigh but I do think she bullied Christopher and jale at the start. You may disagree with that but plenty of others agree with me :shrug:

100% totally agree, which is why I hated her for the first 3 weeks and voted a hell of a lot for Tamara to go

Loving her now though lol

HELEN TO WIN!!

[Verbal]

I don't think Helen is bullying Ashleigh but I do think she bullied Christopher and jale at the start. You may disagree with that but plenty of others agree with me :shrug:

Adults calling relatively intelligent adults (by which I mean they are not mentally deficient) silly names is not bullying.

It is low brow, pathetic and point scoring.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Marsh.]

Ashleigh got across what was needed? "**** off Helen" "Nawwwww....."

I'm astounded by her superior arguing skills.

[Verbal]

Also I have never said that swearing is the sole domain of the working classes. I said that it is for many, the only way they know how to express themselves and get their point across in an effective way.

[Kazanne]

Once you shout like she does youve lost the argument ,thats why Ashleigh came out the best in the row ,she kept her cool ,but got across what she needed to

What did she get across though Chuff?:shrug:she was sneaky and got caught out,well that's what I saw.

[Kazanne]

Also I have never said that swearing is the sole domain of the working classes. I said that it is for many, the only way they know how to express themselves and get their point across in an effective way.

I love a good old rant and curse sometimes,it gets it out your system,admittedly,it's not very ladylike,but I guess I am no lady.:hehe:

[Niamh.]

Adults calling relatively intelligent adults (by which I mean they are not mentally deficient) silly names is not bullying.

It is low brow, pathetic and point scoring.

Nothing more, nothing less.

It was bullying the way she had her gang cackling around her calling them names and isolating both jale and christopher

[Marsh.]

Now you know how we feel when you get your mod posse on us. :worry:

[Verbal]

It was bullying the way she had her gang cackling around her calling them names and isolating both jale and christopher

Was Helen at any point trying to intimidate these people and did she succeed? If so i'll agree with you. Also please provide examples, because I don't remember.

If not, it is just point scoring.

[Niamh.]

Now you know how we feel when you get your mod posse on us. :worry:

:smug:

Was Helen at any point trying to intimidate these people and did she succeed? If so i'll agree with you. Also please provide examples, because I don't remember.

If not, it is just point scoring.

Oh verbal you watched the show same as me, if you didn't think it was bullying then, you're not going to change your mind because I waste my time going through it all again with you. Alot of people agreed with me, including BB who issued her a formal warning...............for bullying

[chuff me dizzy]

What did she get across though Chuff?:shrug:she was sneaky and got caught out,well that's what I saw.

You just dont like the poor mare :joker:

[Livia]

Where are you attending University again? Law you're studying aren't you? If you have worked for the Tories as well, you are not working class. Are you taking the piss?

I graduated with a First in Law from Cambridge. I got to Cambridge through through sheere bloody hard work, and yes I worked for the Tories, I work for the government now. And I grew up the child of working class parents in Newham, one of the poorest boroughs in the country. Who the hell do you think you are to tell me whether I'm working class or not.

[Verbal]

:smug:



Oh verbal you watched the show same as me, if you didn't think it was bullying then, you're not going to change your mind because I waste my time going through it all again with you. Alot of people agreed with me, including BB who issued her a formal warning...............for bullying

I have said that you may well be right and invited you to show me where actual bullying took place. I'm more than prepared to change my mind. I can't do more than that.

She received a formal warning for 'aggressive and unacceptable behaviour' Interestingly it was for her behaviour towards Matthew. None of the people you mention were mentioned by Big Brother. Also the word bullying was not mentioned once.

cNtUUojoqPg

What else you got?

[Marsh.]

Didn't she receive a separate warning for her treatment of Jale, like Pauline?

[chuff me dizzy]

A few of the hm8s have said shes had several warnings,not just one

[Niamh.]

I have said that you may well be right and invited you to show me where actual bullying took place. I'm more than prepared to change my mind. I can't do more than that.

She received a formal warning for 'aggressive and unacceptable behaviour' Interestingly it was for her behaviour towards Matthew. None of the people you mention were mentioned by Big Brother. Also the word bullying was not mentioned once.

cNtUUojoqPg

What else you got?

There was a "pre warning" warning that she received for bullying behaviour, I'm pretty sure about that

[Niamh.]

Didn't she receive a separate warning for her treatment of Jale, like Pauline?

Yeah, she did, it wasn't an official warning, it was a warning that she would receive an official warning if she didn't stop

[Verbal]

There was a "pre warning" warning that she received for bullying behaviour, I'm pretty sure about that

Where?

[Verbal]

Yeah, she did, it wasn't an official warning, it was a warning that she would receive an official warning if she didn't stop

Where?

[Niamh.]

Where?

Oh God, I wouldn't even no where to start trying to find a video of that, I can't even search videos on their website :/ Marsh remembers what I'm talking about though and he's a neutral on this

[Alf]

Where are you attending University again? Law you're studying aren't you? If you have worked for the Tories as well, you are not working class. Are you taking the piss?
I see why your championing Helen, you see a lot of yourself in her.

[Verbal]

I see why your championing Helen, you see a lot of yourself in her.

Absolutely

[Marsh.]

I can't find a video on it but I do know at least 2 of her warnings have been shown in the highlights. One after the whole "slug" incident when she was told off for making people feel ostracised and then one after the spin the bottle argument for getting into Matthew's face.

I suppose if you can track down the date of the highlights show with the "Were you listening?" stuff, you might find the warning in that episode.

[Verbal]

Oh God, I wouldn't even no where to start trying to find a video of that, I can't even search videos on their website :/ Marsh remembers what I'm talking about though and he's a neutral on this

Well i'm quite proficient at it and that video of a warning is the only one I can find


Oh and i've just been reminded why it's not a good idea to debate with certain people on here.

[Verbal]

So I think we can quite safely assume that no video exists of this phantom warning, so it didn't happen.

Unless of course Ch 5 are up to their old tricks again and are fixing it

:rolleyes:

[Niamh.]

Well i'm quite proficient at it and that video of a warning is the only one I can find


Oh and i've just been reminded why it's not a good idea to debate with certain people on here.

Well, it did happen, Marsh remembers exactly what I'm talking about, I'm sure other people could back me up aswell but I have better things to be doing than watching through old h/ls shows to find it just to prove a point that I already know is true :shrug:

[Verbal]

Well, it did happen, Marsh remembers exactly what I'm talking about, I'm sure other people could back me up aswell but I have better things to be doing than watching through old h/ls shows to find it just to prove a point that I already know is true :shrug:

Well its funny how footage exists of every other moment ever shown on the show, apart from that.

[Marsh.]

That's because you're looking for isolated clips. They don't make stand alone clips of every single moment in the house.

Like I said, if you are so interested in finding this other warning then your best bet is the highlights shows. Channel 5 have uploaded all of them from launch night to Demand 5.

[Jack_]

I'm a Helen fan and she was definitely reprimanded (not an official formal warning) about 'behaviour which could be deemed to be bullying' after the Jale incident early on in the series

However, that reprimand came after days and days of screaming and wailing online that they weren't doing anything about her behaviour and so they were backed into a corner and felt like they had to do something to shut people up. Helen hasn't bullied anyone, she has been a **** to people and been unnecessarily cutting and nasty in isolated incidents, but nobody has been bullied this series.

[Verbal]

That's because you're looking for isolated clips. They don't make stand alone clips of every single moment in the house.

Like I said, if you are so interested in finding this other warning then your best bet is the highlights shows. Channel 5 have uploaded all of them from launch night to Demand 5.

I've searched 'Helen warning' and 'Helen formal warning' what other search terms would you recommend?

[Niamh.]

I'm a Helen fan and she was definitely reprimanded (not an official formal warning) about 'behaviour which could be deemed to be bullying' after the Jale incident early on in the series

However, that reprimand came after days and days of screaming and wailing online that they weren't doing anything about her behaviour and so they were backed into a corner and felt like they had to do something to shut people up. Helen hasn't bullied anyone, she has been a **** to people and been unnecessarily cutting and nasty in isolated incidents, but nobody has been bullied this series.

Objection! That's speculation your Honour :fist:


(thanks for saying you remembered what I was talking about though)

[Verbal]

I'm a Helen fan and she was definitely reprimanded (not an official formal warning) about 'behaviour which could be deemed to be bullying' after the Jale incident early on in the series

However, that reprimand came after days and days of screaming and wailing online that they weren't doing anything about her behaviour and so they were backed into a corner and felt like they had to do something to shut people up. Helen hasn't bullied anyone, she has been a **** to people and been unnecessarily cutting and nasty in isolated incidents, but nobody has been bullied this series.

Like I said, if footage exists and I see it where the word bullying is mentioned during a warning. Then I can do nothing more than concede. But until that time...

[Niamh.]

I've searched 'Helen warning' and 'Helen formal warning' what other search terms would you recommend?

You aren't going to find it like that if there wasn't an isolated clip of it though :shrug:

[Verbal]

You aren't going to find it like that if there wasn't an isolated clip of it though :shrug:

That is why I asked what do I search for.

[Niamh.]

]

“Name calling, persistent ridiculing and behaviour that results in an individual becoming ostracized from the group are all types of behaviour that can be perceived as bullying,” asserted Big Brother.

Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb15/news/0617/big-brother-2014-bosses-warn-helen-wood-bullying-jale-karaturp-slug-attention-seeker#ixzz36z8GBlvz

[Marsh.]

I've searched 'Helen warning' and 'Helen formal warning' what other search terms would you recommend?

Did you just ignore my post?

They are in the HIGHLIGHTS SHOWS, the full episodes. They don't make an individual video for each moment or incident.

And if rumours are to be believed they'd need to open a separate blog if they were to record every warning she's had.

Find the highlights show from around the time of the "slug" incident.

[Jack_]

Like I said, if footage exists and I see it where the word bullying is mentioned during a warning. Then I can do nothing more than concede. But until that time...

The word is mentioned, but it is 'behaviour which could be deemed to be bullying' because as I said the only reason they pulled her up on it was because most people online were moaning they weren't doing anything and some were even complaining to Ofcom (as if that would do anything, it'd make it worse)

You'll need to go and search the episodes back on Demand 5. I can't remember if it happened in an episode I caught up on from when I was away over the weekend of 12th June - 15th June or whether it was on the Monday 16th/Tuesday 17th. I'm pretty sure it was one of those episodes that week though, I returned to see people on here complaining about bullying, I was worried to watch the episodes back to see it unfold and once I had I thought everything had been blown way out of proportion, I have a feeling they reprimanded her early in the week beginning Monday 16th

The only way you are going to find it is if you skim through the episodes on Demand 5. It definitely happened though

[Verbal]

]

“Name calling, persistent ridiculing and behaviour that results in an individual becoming ostracized from the group are all types of behaviour that can be perceived as bullying,” asserted Big Brother.

Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb15/news/0617/big-brother-2014-bosses-warn-helen-wood-bullying-jale-karaturp-slug-attention-seeker#ixzz36z8GBlvz

See! You can do it. Well done!

"types of behaviour that can be perceived as bullying"


Is not bullying.

You can't go to Court and be convicted because someone perceives you to be a mass murderer.

[Marsh.]

:facepalm: You asked for a clip of her receiving a warning where "the word bullying was mentioned".

Nobody said you had to agree it was bullying. It's always going to be a matter of opinion.

[Niamh.]

See! You can do it. Well done!

"types of behaviour that can be perceived as bullying"


Is not bullying.

You can't go to Court and be convicted because someone perceives you to be a mass murderer.

Well, physically murdering someone is a more black and white issue I would have thought then deciding what does and does not constitute as bullying, not really comparable Verbal and why on Earth would Big Brother warn someone and use the word bullying if she was doing nothing of the sort? :think:

[Verbal]

:facepalm: You asked for a clip of her receiving a warning where "the word bullying was mentioned".

Nobody said you had to agree it was bullying. It's always going to be a matter of opinion.

I said that she has not been warned for being a bully. She hasn't.

Just that some people might perceive her as one.

Doesn't make her a bully.

[Shaun]

Her problem is that she hides whatever point she may have in a haystack of shouting, insults and "****ing _____ ****ing _____ YOU ****ING ________"s.

[Verbal]

Well, physically murdering someone is a more black and white issue I would have thought then deciding what does and does not constitute as bullying, not really comparable Verbal and why on Earth would Big Brother warn someone and use the word bullying if she was doing nothing of the sort? :think:

Because people get butthurt and ring Ofcom, which gets them in trouble. Then they have to be seen as taking action.

[Niamh.]

Because people get butthurt and ring Ofcom, which gets them in trouble. Then they have to be seen as taking action.

I disagree, if they were doing what the people wanted they would have kicked her out or atleast revoked her pass by now. Anyway, we're going round in circles here, you don't think she's a vile bully, I do. The End.

[Marsh.]

I said that she has not been warned for being a bully. She hasn't.

Just that some people might perceive her as one.

Doesn't make her a bully.

You asked for a warning where the "word bullying was mentioned" you got it.

Nobody said it would prove conclusively and make you change your mind.

[Marsh.]

"You cheeky ****ing bastard" does make me howl though. :laugh:

[Verbal]

You asked for a warning where the "word bullying was mentioned" you got it.

Nobody said it would prove conclusively and make you change your mind.

What I meant was where she was warned for being a bully. I guess it didn't translate from my head in that way.

[Jack_]

Well, physically murdering someone is a more black and white issue I would have thought then deciding what does and does not constitute as bullying, not really comparable Verbal and why on Earth would Big Brother warn someone and use the word bullying if she was doing nothing of the sort? :think:

Because people were complaining and having a meltdown online that whole weekend that they weren't doing anything and it was starting to get media attention so to quieten people down they gave people what they wanted

If she actually was bullying people they'd say 'Big Brother deems this behaviour to be bullying and is issuing you with a formal warning' (there's no interpretation mentioned whenever they are serious about a warning), the fact they said it could be interpreted as bullying speaks volumes about whether they consider it to be IMO and I think it's basically saying 'a lot of the viewers think it's bullying so we're telling you'

[Verbal]

I disagree, if they were doing what the people wanted they would have kicked her out or atleast revoked her pass by now. Anyway, we're going round in circles here, you don't think she's a vile bully, I do. The End.

That is not true at all, not everyone wants her out. So you do not speak on behalf of 'the people', just a very small section of them.

None of you can debate for toffee, honestly.

[Verbal]

Because people were complaining and having a meltdown online that whole weekend that they weren't doing anything and it was starting to get media attention so to quieten people down they gave people what they wanted

If she actually was bullying people they'd say 'Big Brother deems this behaviour to be bullying and is issuing you with a formal warning' (there's no interpretation mentioned whenever they are serious about a warning), the fact they said it could be interpreted as bullying speaks volumes about whether they consider it to be IMO and I think it's basically saying 'a lot of the viewers think it's bullying so we're telling you'

Exactly what Jack said.

The end.

[Niamh.]

Because people get butthurt and ring Ofcom, which gets them in trouble. Then they have to be seen as taking action.

I disagree, if they were doing what the people wanted they would have kicked her out or atleast revoked her pass by now. Anyway, we're going round in circles here, you don't think she's a vile bully, I do. The End.

That is not true at all, not everyone wants her out. So you do not speak on behalf of 'the people', just a very small section of them.

None of you can debate for toffee, honestly.

:umm2:

[Tom4784]

So if someone has a problem with you, you would rather them laugh and snigger and bitch behind your back rather than come up to your face and say it as plain as day right at you?

Never bullied at school were you?

I personally wouldn't care if people bitched about me behind my back. It's their problem, not mine.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Helen is a nasty bully, the way she walked out laughing with other girls, making someone feel uncomfortable

"I've seen loads of stuff.. seen people bitching hahahahahaha"
"It was so great to see peoples true colours hahahahah"

before it even happened, Jale, Kim, Helen are ****ing awful

[Verbal]

:umm2:

people

the people

There is a difference

[Niamh.]

people

the people

There is a difference

I was responding to your post, referring to the same "people" you were talking about :rolleyes:

[Verbal]

I was responding to your post, referring to the same "people" you were talking about :rolleyes:

So what does the inclusion of the word 'the' add to your post? That's right, it implies all people, and gives it a whole different meaning. It would have been perfectly legible without it and I would not have made the reply that I did.

[Niamh.]

So what does the inclusion of the word 'the' add to your post? That's right, it implies all people, and gives it a whole different meaning. It would have been perfectly legible without it and I would not have made the reply that I did.

Don't be ridiculous, If I thought all the people hate Helen, then how would I be here arguing with you about her? I don't believe for a second that you thought that's what I meant but nice try anyhow :hehe:

[Marsh.]

Oh for god's sake, this is beyond a joke now.

[Niamh.]

Oh for god's sake, this is beyond a joke now.

:laugh:

[Verbal]

Don't be ridiculous, If I thought all the people hate Helen, then how would I be here arguing with you about her? I don't believe for a second that you thought that's what I meant but nice try anyhow :hehe:

All I had to go on was what you wrote. What you wrote suggested that you represent 'all people'.

You've clarified that you meant otherwise. That's fine

THE END

[the truth]

Because people were complaining and having a meltdown online that whole weekend that they weren't doing anything and it was starting to get media attention so to quieten people down they gave people what they wanted

If she actually was bullying people they'd say 'Big Brother deems this behaviour to be bullying and is issuing you with a formal warning' (there's no interpretation mentioned whenever they are serious about a warning), the fact they said it could be interpreted as bullying speaks volumes about whether they consider it to be IMO and I think it's basically saying 'a lot of the viewers think it's bullying so we're telling you'

defending the females in the house again jack, even ones as abusive and bullying as jack. if any man behaved like her to a woman, hed have been turfed out by now.

[Niamh.]

All I had to go on was what you wrote. What you wrote suggested that you represent 'all people'.

You've clarified that you meant otherwise. That's fine

THE END

No need to shout at me Hel...........verbal :hehe:

[Marsh.]

:laugh:

[Verbal]

No need to shout at me Hel...........verbal :hehe:

Sorry, if you perceive me as bullying you. I wasn't

[Niamh.]

Sorry, if you perceive me as bullying you. I wasn't

:hehe:

[smeagol]

The bully hellen needs to return to the depths of the deep pit of putridness from which the creature came where she can scream at her self while jerking of orcs for kit kats
and yell at 18 yr old trees.

never seen her put a sentence together yet that made any sence

[Jack_]

defending the females in the house again jack

No, I'm defending

a) entertaining housemates
b) housemates that are accused of being bullies when they aren't

even ones as abusive and bullying as jack.

I'm not a bully :hehe:

if any man behaved like her to a woman, hed have been turfed out by now.

And where did I say I disagree with that? I know they would and I know that's sexist double standards, I wouldn't agree with them being removed either

[Marsh.]

Don't bother Jack, don't waste your energy.

[chuff me dizzy]

http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/188541-big-brother-2014-helen-woods-homophobic-remarks-cut-from-telly.html

[Verbal]

http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/188541-big-brother-2014-helen-woods-homophobic-remarks-cut-from-telly.html

Matthew is as wet as an otters pocket. If he got 'bulled' then good. I would do the exact same thing to him.

But we are back to perception again.

[Marsh.]

Not the "homophobic" article again. :facepalm:

[chuff me dizzy]

Matthew is as wet as an otters pocket. If he got 'bulled' then good. I would do the exact same thing to him.

But we are back to perception again.

No,we are back to an ex housemates say on the house and Helen

[Josy]

http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/188541-big-brother-2014-helen-woods-homophobic-remarks-cut-from-telly.html

That's already been posted and has nothing to do with the topic of the thread?

[Verbal]

No,we are back to an ex housemates say on the house and Helen

Yes, one mans perception of 'what went down'

[Ammi]

..how would anyone even know if Helen had any valid points..:laugh:...just about everything she says is lost in her anger and obscenities and anything any of the other housemate’s would have contributed as well...there have only been a few times when someone has been ‘allowed’ to speak above her, but that wasn’t something she allowed or liked when they have done it because it’s usually and rightly to try to make her see her behaviour/but no she doesn’t want to face that...Helen, the big ‘facer’ pffft...I think the main thing she was bothered about in the vids was that she herself felt stupid , she didn’t really care what Ashleigh had said about anyone...she said something along that vein on a BBOT’s clip that no one gets the better of her or gets one over on her..something like that..she’s not ’refreshing’ or honest at all because like just about every coward who acts like Helen, she can give it/can’t take it and can’t accept any criticism or that she’s ever in the wrong...that’s not being honest..?...she doesn’t even let her clique of friends speak most of the time and especially if they were ever to trying to point out her wrongs to her,...because she’s always right, always right, always right...she’s like a child, she has no reasoning or rationing whatsoever...she never seems to reflect on anything and see where her faults have lain...for me...’dramas’ in the house can be good and arguments etc and we’ve had some great lines from housemates in the past from those situations which kind of balance it all and make it funny as well and good viewing....the kind of one liners we remember but with this house and Helen, there is no room for that, there are so few of them from housemates like Mark because there are so few times that Helen isn’t screeching over everyone and will actually allow anyone else ‘their moments’....it’s not a balanced house, it will never be a balanced house because Helen doesn’t want it to be a balanced house..she wants a house of people who agree with her and hang on her every word and cheer her abuse and insults....


..it must have been really frustrating for BB to have engineered this ‘controversial housemate’ that would clash with just about everyone and then see the much awaited Ashleigh V Helen thing not happen because Helen never hushes up long enough with her ranting so people have learned not to ‘confront’... so they had to engineer that as well....hopefully for the sake of the other housemates, they’ll have a ‘mute Helen for the day’ task and then maybe everyone's valid points might be heard....

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm aware that for some reason Helen has fans but I don't even know why it's still up for debate whether or not she's a bully. She has no redeemable qualities of her own so she operates by making outsiders out of others and shouting them down so they have no voice and her cronies stay loyal to her, since she can't simply have friends with her abhorrent personality. Like, in at least the most playground sense of the word, she's a HUGE ****ing bully that is pretty much fact.

[Kizzy]

I listen to what she says not how she says it, and if you remove the colloquialisms and the swears she nearly always has a good point.

[Niamh.]

..how would anyone even know if Helen had any valid points..:laugh:...just about everything she says is lost in her anger and obscenities and anything any of the other housemate’s would have contributed as well...there have only been a few times when someone has been ‘allowed’ to speak above her, but that wasn’t something she allowed or liked when they have done it because it’s usually and rightly to try to make her see her behaviour/but no she doesn’t want to face that...Helen, the big ‘facer’ pffft...I think the main thing she was bothered about in the vids was that she herself felt stupid , she didn’t really care what Ashleigh had said about anyone...she said something along that vein on a BBOT’s clip that no one gets the better of her or gets one over on her..something like that..she’s not ’refreshing’ or honest at all because like just about every coward who acts like Helen, she can give it/can’t take it and can’t accept any criticism or that she’s ever in the wrong...that’s not being honest..?...she doesn’t even let her clique of friends speak most of the time and especially if they were ever to trying to point out her wrongs to her,...because she’s always right, always right, always right...she’s like a child, she has no reasoning or rationing whatsoever...she never seems to reflect on anything and see where her faults have lain...for me...’dramas’ in the house can be good and arguments etc and we’ve had some great lines from housemates in the past from those situations which kind of balance it all and make it funny as well and good viewing....the kind of one liners we remember but with this house and Helen, there is no room for that, there are so few of them from housemates like Mark because there are so few times that Helen isn’t screeching over everyone and will actually allow anyone else ‘their moments’....it’s not a balanced house, it will never be a balanced house because Helen doesn’t want it to be a balanced house..she wants a house of people who agree with her and hang on her every word and cheer her abuse and insults....


..it must have been really frustrating for BB to have engineered this ‘controversial housemate’ that would clash with just about everyone and then see the much awaited Ashleigh V Helen thing not happen because Helen never hushes up long enough with her ranting so people have learned not to ‘confront’... so they had to engineer that as well....hopefully for the sake of the other housemates, they’ll have a ‘mute Helen for the day’ task and then maybe everyone's valid points might be heard....

:clap1: