Hamas using M302 Rocket Vs Israel War

[arista]

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/asia/china/artillery_vehicle/ws-1b/pictures/WS-1B_MLRS_302mm_Multiple_Launch_Rocket_System_China_ Chinese_army_defence_industry_military_technology_ 001.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1297664/israel-pounds-gaza-as-hamas-fires-across-border


Israel in return is killing people and children
who are not in the war

[Crimson Dynamo]

until both sides stop thinking that their sides lives are of more value than the others this madness will not end.

[arista]

until both sides stop thinking that their sides lives are of more value than the others this madness will not end.



Yes never ending
if Hamas get a nuke
then it evens it up

[Nedusa]

Maybe these larger more powerful rockets might even up the score a bit ??





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[Livia]

Makes it sound like, before they got this latest weapon, Hamas haven't been firing rockets at Israel at the rate of thousands per year.

[Nedusa]

Maybe if Hamas acquire larger more powerful weapons and inflict serious damage on Israel they (Israel) might actually stop and think about actually negotiating a proper peace settlement.


Wouldn't hold your breath though......




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[smudgie]

So much hate in this world, so sad.

[the truth]

both sides hold the old testament eye for an eye tooth for a tooth mantra , thus you end up with this mindless bloodbath.
Israel should never have been set up there in the first place, disastrous idea NOT driven to helps the jews, driven by the wests desire to have a wepaons arsenal in the middle east and anyone who dare question it gets batted down with the anti semintism brush, a brush now so corrupted and perverted its almost lost all its meaning
as it stands , the world should recognise palestine as a country in its own right.
ONLY then can you even begin talk of peace.
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind

[Livia]

both sides hold the old testament eye for an eye tooth for a tooth mantra , thus you end up with this mindless bloodbath.
Israel should never have been set up there in the first place, disastrous idea NOT driven to helps the jews, driven by the wests desire to have a wepaons arsenal in the middle east and anyone who dare question it gets batted down with the anti semintism brush, a brush now so corrupted and perverted its almost lost all its meaning
as it stands , the world should recognise palestine as a country in its own right.
ONLY then can you even begin talk of peace.
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind



Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

[the truth]

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

it was invented. they didnt own any land there at all....thousands of years ago? lol so does that mean the descendants of julius ceasar own your house? they after all ruled the UK back in the BC days...your argument is just as ludicrous

[Livia]

it was invented. they didnt own any land there at all....thousands of years ago? lol so does that mean the descendants of julius ceasar own your house? they after all ruled the UK back in the BC days...your argument is just as ludicrous

Jerusalem is a sacred place to Jews, like Mecca and Medina is the Muslims. If you've actually read the bible, then you're just trying to get a reaction by referring to my argument as ludicrous.

[the truth]

Jerusalem is a sacred place to Jews, like Mecca and Medina is the Muslims. If you've actually read the bible, then you're just trying to get a reaction by referring to my argument as ludicrous.

fine jewish people go visit there, but to reclaim it 2000 years later is crazy......your argument is beyond ludicrous its a joke and a very dangerous joke. IF you want to have your belief taken seriously that people can reclaim land 2000 years later, then give up your home to the romans , only then would I take you seriously. otheriwse its lunacy and hypocrisy

[Livia]

fine jewish people go visit there, but to reclaim it 2000 years later is crazy......your argument is beyond ludicrous its a joke and a very dangerous joke. IF you want to have your belief taken seriously that people can reclaim land 2000 years later, then give up your home to the romans , only then would I take you seriously. otheriwse its lunacy and hypocrisy

You just can't debate a topic like an adult, can you truth. You're only just back and you're insulting me. That's not a debate. Have you read the rules here? They are available for your perusal.

Learn a little bit about the subject and maybe then, if you can keep a civil tongue, we'll talk. Other than that, you can do one.

[arista]

Makes it sound like, before they got this latest weapon, Hamas haven't been firing rockets at Israel at the rate of thousands per year.



Yes True

Israel can stop this new rocket if he gets near housing zones via its Iron Dome Defense System


So far they are firing this new power rocket
to outter zones away from homes - SkyNewsHD reported

[the truth]

You just can't debate a topic like an adult, can you truth. You're only just back and you're insulting me. That's not a debate. Have you read the rules here? They are available for your perusal.

Learn a little bit about the subject and maybe then, if you can keep a civil tongue, we'll talk. Other than that, you can do one.

have you handed your land back to the romans yet? didnt think so

[Nedusa]

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.


Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.


Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.


Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.





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[the truth]

Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.


Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.


Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.





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100% correct. its been a disaster for 60 years and it will continue to be so for the next 1000 that is if all the hate mongers on both sides havent blown everyone up by then. the fact that were not allowed to have an open healthy debate on the uber liberal state tv bbc , only means the solution is even harder to find

[Livia]

have you handed your land back to the romans yet? didnt think so

What a ridiculous argument. Don't you feel silly?


Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.

Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.

Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.

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I have family in Israel. Are you saying my family are not a right minded Jewish people? Is that EVERYONE in Israel that's sad, deluded and hateful? In fact, don't bother answering, this will turn into another anti-Jewish tirade from you that'll end up getting deleted.

100% correct. its been a disaster for 60 years and it will continue to be so for the next 1000 that is if all the hate mongers on both sides havent blown everyone up by then. the fact that were not allowed to have an open healthy debate on the uber liberal state tv bbc , only means the solution is even harder to find

Actually, healthy debate isn't allowed on THIS FORUM about Israel as it just descends into insults as usual.

[Nedusa]

What a ridiculous argument. Don't you feel silly?




I have family in Israel. Are you saying my family are not a right minded Jewish people? Is that EVERYONE in Israel that's sad, deluded and hateful? In fact, don't bother answering, this will turn into another anti-Jewish tirade from you that'll end up getting deleted.



Actually, healthy debate isn't allowed on THIS FORUM about Israel as it just descends into insults as usual.


Livia, I have no wish to hurt anyone on this forum (including you) but I stongly reject your comments above that state I engage in Anti-Jewish tirades.

I most certainly do not, I have a lot of Jewish friends and when it comes to the state of Israel and the politics of the middle east we share a lot of common ground.

They, like me do not support the current Zionist, Fascist policies of Israel which pursue a never ending agenda of War to ensure support and monies from the US to keep Israel in existance.


For a nation to exist is this artificial reality which demands it stays at War with all it's neighbours and never allows any real peace talks, is utterly preposterous and meanwhile all around it on both sides the death and destruction and the bloodshed and the sheer human misery continues unabated.

It is time to end this failed experiment and for all Countries to put pressure on Israel, Hamas,Hezbollah,Iran,Egypt,Lebanon,Syria to find a REAL soultion and end this hideous stalemate.





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[Kizzy]

All this war in the name of religion... it's so wrong :(

[Livia]

Livia, I have no wish to hurt anyone on this forum (including you) but I stongly reject your comments above that state I engage in Anti-Jewish tirades etc. etc. etc..........


Knowing that my husband died from wounds received in Afghanistan, you posted in response to a post of mine, “they ALL died for nothing – get over it”. That was pretty hurtful.

It could be that you and I do share common ground on the Israel question. I cannot say, with my hand on my heart, that I support what’s going on in Israel, and I’ve just returned from there so I have some first-hand experience of it. Sadly, any discussion of the ‘bigger picture’ is impossible because you reply aggressively and generalise. Some time ago you and another poster had a rant between you about how horrible the murderous Jews are. I knew you meant ‘some Israelis’ but you said ‘Jews’. It was an anti-Jewish tirade. You also said, in this very thread, “Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people”. Actually, when I was there, just after they found the bodies of the three dead Israeli boys and things were heating up again, hundreds of Israelis gathered in Jerusalem to call for peace. I’m sure that wouldn’t have made the news here… but they didn’t seem particularly despicable, deluded or hateful to me.

It’s for these reasons I really don’t want to discuss the question of Israel, or anything else, with you.

[the truth]

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

have you given your home back to the romans yet being as they owned it 2000 years ago? thats what you expected the palestinians to do?

[Nedusa]

Knowing that my husband died from wounds received in Afghanistan, you posted in response to a post of mine, “they ALL died for nothing – get over it”. That was pretty hurtful.

It could be that you and I do share common ground on the Israel question. I cannot say, with my hand on my heart, that I support what’s going on in Israel, and I’ve just returned from there so I have some first-hand experience of it. Sadly, any discussion of the ‘bigger picture’ is impossible because you reply aggressively and generalise. Some time ago you and another poster had a rant between you about how horrible the murderous Jews are. I knew you meant ‘some Israelis’ but you said ‘Jews’. It was an anti-Jewish tirade. You also said, in this very thread, “Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people”. Actually, when I was there, just after they found the bodies of the three dead Israeli boys and things were heating up again, hundreds of Israelis gathered in Jerusalem to call for peace. I’m sure that wouldn’t have made the news here… but they didn’t seem particularly despicable, deluded or hateful to me.

It’s for these reasons I really don’t want to discuss the question of Israel, or anything else, with you.

Livia, thanks for taking the time to explain your reasons for not wanting to converse with me, I meant to say Israelis but maybe used the word Jews in error and for that I am truly sorry.

I am upset that you cannot even bring yourself to debate topics with me on this forum , I never set out to try and insult you or deliver personal attacks.

I like to think of myself as a well educated person with a good set of morals ready to speak up for injustice wherever I see it.

I have no specific loyalties to any particular group or class or religion. In fact as I have said on this forum on many occasions I consider religion as a deeply personal thing and am suspicious of organised religion as I feel it is used to control people and can be manipulated to set people against one another.

I hope in time we may exchange the odd post or two and that some of my misguided earlier posts may be forgiven.

Nedusa.....

[the truth]

I have no issue at all with any religions or religious beliefs. unless of course its illegal.
my issue here is specifically the right of israel to steal land from the palestinians 2000 years after leaving (allegedly leaving) the whole thing is preposterous and clearly a disaster waiting to happen. now that this disaster is 60 years old....then of course a 2 state solution is the only way forward. sadly with the idiots in charge , we can have no compromise only eye for an eye nonsense that destroys lives. this is the problem with hardcore no compromise beliefs. One MUST find that compromise. This is where these muslims and Jews religious could heed the words of jesus in finally finding some peaceful way forward. Instead of the petty land grabs, assassinations, endless acts of revenge. BOTH sides need to recognise the 2 state solution. Palestine should be recognised as a nation by the UN and everyone else. The Israeli land grabs should be treated as abhorrent and illegal by the UN and all nations. Only then really can we even hope to see a way forward.

[Kizzy]

Livia, thanks for taking the time to explain your reasons for not wanting to converse with me, I meant to say Israelis but maybe used the word Jews in error and for that I am truly sorry.

I am upset that you cannot even bring yourself to debate topics with me on this forum , I never set out to try and insult you or deliver personal attacks.

I like to think of myself as a well educated person with a good set of morals ready to speak up for injustice wherever I see it.

I have no specific loyalties to any particular group or class or religion. In fact as I have said on this forum on many occasions I consider religion as a deeply personal thing and am suspicious of organised religion as I feel it is used to control people and can be manipulated to set people against one another.

I hope in time we may exchange the odd post or two and that some of my misguided earlier posts may be forgiven.

Nedusa.....

This kind of sums up the whole thing for me, in every religion you have your fundamentalists that manipulate scripture to use as subjugation.
I don't think any of the warmongers involved at the heart of these conflicts have their respective religions in mind, and it is easy to come across as not being that compassionate about the truly religious caught in the crossfire as it were, the rest of the world looks on dumbfounded.

[the truth]

I feel it vitally important to seperate Christianity from Judaism and islam. Christianity is the one I believe in. Forgiveness, repentance, redemption etc Christianity is far far far far far far far far far far far more enlightened and a far better more peaceful way forward imho

[Me. I Am Salman]

The BBC bias is infuriating, idk how these people sleep at night. Absolutely disgusting

[arista]

The BBC bias is infuriating, idk how these people sleep at night. Absolutely disgusting


Yes
many have said this.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/11/322672/default/v1/split-edit-1-1-522x293.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1299012/hamas-israels-main-airport-will-be-targeted



Not one Israeli side has died

But over a 100 and children have died
on the Hamas side

[Livia]

Not one Israeli side has died

But over a 100 and children have died
on the Hamas side

While not wishing in any way to justify the Palestinian deaths and casualties, I would point out that this latest wave of violence was sparked by the murder of three Israeli teenagers.

[the truth]

While not wishing in any way to justify the Palestinian deaths and casualties, I would point out that this latest wave of violence was sparked by the murder of three Israeli teenagers.

no it was not. that in turn was sparked by a previous mass murdering of palestinians and so the cycle of utter carnage goes on. its an absolute disgrace. its time we supplies weapons to the palestinians to defend themselves

[the truth]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/11/322672/default/v1/split-edit-1-1-522x293.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1299012/hamas-israels-main-airport-will-be-targeted



Not one Israeli side has died

But over a 100 and children have died
on the Hamas side

and WE help in the massive supply of israeli weapons

[arista]

While not wishing in any way to justify the Palestinian deaths and casualties, I would point out that this latest wave of violence was sparked by the murder of three Israeli teenagers.


Yes that was so wrong - Whoever did it.

But when I said loads on the Hamas died (133 at present)
and no Israeli died
I meant after that tragic killing of the 3 teenagers



Of Course what is wrong on the Hamas side
is many Rockets are Fired from top of flats
with public below them.
So when the Israeli's track them and fire back
loads of Public Die

[Iceman]

I was briefly part of a protest today here in dublin....

Saddens me how little media coverage this has gotten in the UK media.

[Achilles]

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

State of Israel was created in 1940s after WW2. The region is a spiritual place for Jews, Christians and Muslims. From the perspective of a Jew/Christian/Muslim, they may believe their spiritual claim on the region is more important than the spiritual claim of the other two. The truth is that they all have equal claim. The conflict of today and the conflict of biblical times is the same. All parties made claim to the region after warfare. 2 state solution is not the most viable option. The most viable option would be a logical solution. ONE STATE called Jerusalem where Jews, Christians, Muslims and others are all considered equal and the government reflects the population. Not one country for Jews and one country for Muslims, but one country where they all live together as equals, with complete religious freedom and religious equality. That is what should have happened when the state of Israel was created back in the 40s instead of creating a homeland for one group of people at the expense of another group. There will never be peace until people stop taking sides and blaming the other.

[Kizzy]

I thought there was a jerusalem?
Flevit super illam

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/13/322930/default/v1/air-strike-1-626x352.jpg

Israeli Troops Launch First Ground Raid On Gaza

[The armed branch of Hamas confirmed
that Israeli troops had exchanged gunfire with Palestinian fighters.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1299931/israeli-troops-launch-first-ground-raid-on-gaza

[Livia]

State of Israel was created in 1940s after WW2. The region is a spiritual place for Jews, Christians and Muslims. From the perspective of a Jew/Christian/Muslim, they may believe their spiritual claim on the region is more important than the spiritual claim of the other two. The truth is that they all have equal claim. The conflict of today and the conflict of biblical times is the same. All parties made claim to the region after warfare. 2 state solution is not the most viable option. The most viable option would be a logical solution. ONE STATE called Jerusalem where Jews, Christians, Muslims and others are all considered equal and the government reflects the population. Not one country for Jews and one country for Muslims, but one country where they all live together as equals, with complete religious freedom and religious equality. That is what should have happened when the state of Israel was created back in the 40s instead of creating a homeland for one group of people at the expense of another group. There will never be peace until people stop taking sides and blaming the other.



I'm a little confused... Jerusalem is a city, not a country, so how are you going to have a "one state called Jerusalem"? That makes no sense to me.

Although the 'state' of Israel came into being in the forties, Israel itself has been sacred to Jews for over five thousand years... three thousand years before Christ was born and four thousand years before Islam came into being. So when you refer to the conflict of "biblical times" I'm not sure what you mean. Jerusalem is the sacred city of the Jews in the same way Mecca and Medina are sacred to Islam. Jerusalem hardly features at all in the Quran. And yes Jerusalem is sacred to Christians because Jesus lived there two thousand years ago, and Jesus was a Jew.

It would be a fine thing if everyone could live together in peace. It'll happen one day when the "old guard" get older and new generations take over. There is more and more resistance to violence among the Jewish youth in Israel, more coming together to call for peace. For the moment, it's a blood bath.

[Northern Monkey]

As far as religion is concerned the Hebrews were in that region(Canaan)over a thousand years before Christianity came about and nearly two thousand years before Islam.However i don't think this conflict is just about religion,It's about territory aswell which complicates things.There were people there before the Jews came from Egypt.I don't think this conflict will be resolved in our life time or for generations after that.Who knows if it ever will,Even after modern religion is looked back on as the greek,Egyptian and Roman religions are now.

[the truth]

yet another reason why scotland may go it alone, they actually read up on these matters are better eductaed than the rest of us and more fair minded and compassionate than the warmongering rich westminster elite

[Livia]

Nothing's that black and white.

[the truth]

Nothing's that black and white.

139 dead v no dead
sounds black and white and red all over

[Livia]

139 dead v no dead
sounds black and white and red all over

I was, of course, referring to your comment about Scotland. No country is all good or all bad.

[arista]

I give credit to Israel who halted a attack
as they could see children all around the zone.


It will get worse
Its harder for Hamas as Egypt
is no longer able to help
as they are under Army Control

[Marsh.]

I was, of course, referring to your comment about Scotland. No country is all good or all bad.

Except America. :hehe:

[the truth]

I was, of course, referring to your comment about Scotland. No country is all good or all bad.

israel is now mostly bad....scotland has a far more balanced view of world events than England, who are controlled by the elite rich and monarchy hell bent on power

[Achilles]

I'm a little confused... Jerusalem is a city, not a country, so how are you going to have a "one state called Jerusalem"? That makes no sense to me.

Although the 'state' of Israel came into being in the forties, Israel itself has been sacred to Jews for over five thousand years... three thousand years before Christ was born and four thousand years before Islam came into being. So when you refer to the conflict of "biblical times" I'm not sure what you mean. Jerusalem is the sacred city of the Jews in the same way Mecca and Medina are sacred to Islam. Jerusalem hardly features at all in the Quran. And yes Jerusalem is sacred to Christians because Jesus lived there two thousand years ago, and Jesus was a Jew.

It would be a fine thing if everyone could live together in peace. It'll happen one day when the "old guard" get older and new generations take over. There is more and more resistance to violence among the Jewish youth in Israel, more coming together to call for peace. For the moment, it's a blood bath.

Because Jerusalem is a name all parties could agree on.

[Me. I Am Salman]

486914942520393728

speechless tbh..

[Livia]

israel is now mostly bad....scotland has a far more balanced view of world events than England, who are controlled by the elite rich and monarchy hell bent on power

Whatever... it's not worth pursuing this discussion with you, frankly.

[the truth]

Whatever... it's not worth pursuing this discussion with you, frankly.

I agree theres no pint us discussing this with you. you show zero compassion for the 100s of innocents butchered by the israelis

[the truth]

Incredible to think in the 70 years since the disastrous world war 2 where germany was taken over by a psychotic austrian......since those dark days, germany has become pretty much the greatest country in the world, whereas israel has become the worst country in the world. food for thought.

[Nedusa]

Livia, thanks for taking the time to explain your reasons for not wanting to converse with me, I meant to say Israelis but maybe used the word Jews in error and for that I am truly sorry.

I am upset that you cannot even bring yourself to debate topics with me on this forum , I never set out to try and insult you or deliver personal attacks.

I like to think of myself as a well educated person with a good set of morals ready to speak up for injustice wherever I see it.

I have no specific loyalties to any particular group or class or religion. In fact as I have said on this forum on many occasions I consider religion as a deeply personal thing and am suspicious of organised religion as I feel it is used to control people and can be manipulated to set people against one another.

I hope in time we may exchange the odd post or two and that some of my misguided earlier posts may be forgiven.

Nedusa.....




Not sure you saw my last post to you Livia........





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[arista]

Hamas need to Fire 20 rockets at the same time
to confuse the defense system
and hit people.

As so far no missile has killed anyone

[Crimson Dynamo]

30 odd children dead so far 172 dead total in last 7 days

No deaths in Israel.

As terrorists they are not exactly proficient

[the truth]

30 odd children dead so far 172 dead total in last 7 days

No deaths in Israel.

As terrorists they are not exactly proficient

The israelis are the real terrorists and their actions and totally disproportionate. 1000s more palestinians homeless, 100s more innocents butchered to death and the world does nothing....were not even allowed to talk about it openly on our own state sponsored television.

why should innocent paletinians pay for the crimes of nazi warmongers 70 years ago? because thats really the end result of this disastrous country

[Livia]

Not sure you saw my last post to you Livia........

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That was very decent of you, Nedusa. I in turn apologise for making an issue of a post you made some time ago omitting to credit the author. It was childish of me.

I'm willing to draw a line if you are.

[the truth]

ahh some peace in our time , well with you 2 at least..... if only they could do likewise in israel and palestine

[Northern Monkey]

To be fair to Israel,What are they supposed to do when the cowardly Hamas fire rockets from civillian areas?Hamas are turning these areas into military targets.

[the truth]

To be fair to Israel,What are they supposed to do when the cowardly Hamas fire rockets from civillian areas?Hamas are turning these areas into military targets.

firstly the jews/israelis had no right wahtsoever to steal land from the palestinians 60 years ago, since then its been endless bloodshed

however as for the here and now the israelis must stop building illegal settlements? stop preventing palestine from having country status, despite the fact over 200 nations voted in favor of it, stop murdering 100s of innocents people with lethal state of the art bombs in response to hammas toy rockets...hammas has no real wepons, the israeli response is outrageously disproportionate and contravenes humans rights laws galore. beyond laws to carry on killing 100s of innocent people in response suffer no fatalities at all is outrageously immoral.

[Nedusa]

That was very decent of you, Nedusa. I in turn apologise for making an issue of a post you made some time ago omitting to credit the author. It was childish of me.

I'm willing to draw a line if you are.

Yes I would like to as well.





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[arista]

Israeli gunboat missile kills four boys from the same family as they played on Gaza beach as death toll rises to 204

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2694011/Israel-leaflet-drops-Gaza-warning-Palestinians-evacuate-army-intensifies-airstrikes.html#ixzz37eb5R0DZ


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/16/article-2694011-1FB0435200000578-310_964x607.jpg

[Livia]

The six-hour pause in Israeli air strikes began at 9am on Tuesday as part of a proposal unveiled by Egypt on Monday intended to lead to a full ceasefire and talks on a long-term agreement.

Hamas rejected the plan, saying it had not been consulted and its demands were not being met. According to the Israeli military, more than 50 rockets were fired into Israel before air strikes were resumed.

But there were inconsistent messages from Hamas. Its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, robustly rejected the proposal as a "surrender", saying "our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity". But Hamas spokesmen in Gaza said the Islamist group had not received an official ceasefire proposal, and its demands must be met before it lays down arms.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/israel-resumes-air-strikes-hamas-rejects-ceasefire

[arista]

The six-hour pause in Israeli air strikes began at 9am on Tuesday as part of a proposal unveiled by Egypt on Monday intended to lead to a full ceasefire and talks on a long-term agreement.

Hamas rejected the plan, saying it had not been consulted and its demands were not being met. According to the Israeli military, more than 50 rockets were fired into Israel before air strikes were resumed.

But there were inconsistent messages from Hamas. Its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, robustly rejected the proposal as a "surrender", saying "our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity". But Hamas spokesmen in Gaza said the Islamist group had not received an official ceasefire proposal, and its demands must be met before it lays down arms.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/israel-resumes-air-strikes-hamas-rejects-ceasefire


yes sadly true

[the truth]

probably not true , either way who knows. where the heck is the EU or the USA in this bloodbath? at least bill clinton did get a peace deal , even amidst the whole lewinsky affair.

[arista]

Gaza City under Big attack

From Israel Naval
and Israel Air



Power has Been Cut

Ref: SkyNewsHD , CNN and BBC

[Pete.]

just crazy

[Me. I Am Salman]

OMG someone just dragged tf out of bbc and exposed their bias :clap1:

[Brother Leon]

I remember when Galloway ripped Sky News and their bias to shreds years ago live on television. Was some amazing stuff.

[Achilles]

I remember when Galloway ripped Sky News and their bias to shreds years ago live on television. Was some amazing stuff.

I don't trust Galloway. How can I trust a "pro-Palestinian" politician that gets so much airtime on "anti-Palestinian" media?
I don't look at him and think "you're intelligent", I look at him and think "you're intelligence".

[the truth]

I don't trust Galloway. How can I trust a "pro-Palestinian" politician that gets so much airtime on "anti-Palestinian" media?
I don't look at him and think "you're intelligent", I look at him and think "you're intelligence".

galloway is a legend. the man knows more than anyone and fights more for the oppressed than anyone. i dont agree with him on everything but hes fought the warmongering jews in israel and bush and blair and all their warmongering lies and he has been proven 100% correct on every single word. check the utterly disgusting biased bbc interviews done with galloway on you tube. the bbc are worse than fox news with their disgusting bias. they promote war more than anyone

[the truth]

OMG someone just dragged tf out of bbc and exposed their bias :clap1:

wheres that clip?

[Kizzy]

'Thousands of protesters have gathered in London today to call for an end to Israeli military action in Gaza and "justice and freedom" for Palestine.

Up to 15,000 people are thought to have marched through the capital from Downing Street to the Israeli embassy in Kensington after Israel launched a ground invasion of Gaza on Thursday.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/19/gaza-london-protest-pictures_n_5601766.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

[arista]

'Thousands of protesters have gathered in London today to call for an end to Israeli military action in Gaza and "justice and freedom" for Palestine.

Up to 15,000 people are thought to have marched through the capital from Downing Street to the Israeli embassy in Kensington after Israel launched a ground invasion of Gaza on Thursday.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/19/gaza-london-protest-pictures_n_5601766.html?utm_hp_ref=uk


That changes Nothing

[Kizzy]

That changes Nothing

In respect to what?

[arista]

In respect to what?

The War is never ending out there

[Kizzy]

Everything ends eventually, it's how it ends that is determinable.

People demonstrating against war is a positive for me.

[arista]

Everything ends eventually, it's how it ends that is determinable.

People demonstrating against war is a positive for me.


Only by Nukes





Demonstrators are Deluded Fools.

[Kizzy]

Only by Nukes





Demonstrators are Deluded Fools.

That's not true, many wars have ended without nuclear attack.
How are they deluded? They want an end to war so they go out and vocalise that.

[arista]

That's not true, many wars have ended without nuclear attack.
How are they deluded? They want an end to war so they go out and vocalise that.



Big Wars end in Nukes


Look at all that wasted protesting
When Evil Blair went with Bush
on the Illegal Invasion /War in Iraq

[Kizzy]

Big Wars end in Nukes


Look at all that wasted protesting
When Evil Blair went with Bush
on the Illegal Invasion /War in Iraq

Hollywood films end in nukes.

It still helps to know the weight of public feeling on issues that are out of our control.

[arista]

Hollywood films end in nukes.

It still helps to know the weight of public feeling on issues that are out of our control.


Some of the Public
Never All of them.

[Kizzy]

Some of the Public
Never All of them.

Of course not... Whoever suggested the entire population of England was out protesting?
There were some 15,000 in London yesterday I believe.

[arista]

A few Israeli's troops have been killed
most shot by their own.

Trigger happy

[Me. I Am Salman]

wheres that clip?

it was live on the BBC news channel, they spoke with someone through a webcam i dunno who it was

[arista]

Sadly today in Gaza another Hospital
was hit,
thats so sad


Ref : Ch4NewsHD Live

[Northern Monkey]

It aint gonna end while Hamas is involved,No chance.Israelis are'nt gonna cut a deal with terrorists or while rockets are being fired at them.They're just gonna keep retaliating then Hamas will do the same.Vicious circle.They need a cease fire and some proper representatives on the Palestinian side.Hamas are terrorists,Firing rockets from hospitals and schools and using what are supposed to be their own people as human sheilds are not the actions of a legitimate group.Israelis are'nt faultless either but they atleast have something resembling a government who can be reasoned with.

[JTM45]

Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.


Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.


Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.





.

I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

[the truth]

I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

not sure id go along with that. its a bit over simplistic and im not sure how one can calculate the sum totals ....though there have been many barbaric leaders responsible for deaths of millions, Mao and stalin is right at the top of that list, then hitler .....but I understand where youre coming from with israel and america.

They have both committed endless atrocities and bloodbaths. I believe america have invaded 70 nations. israel should never have been created in the 1940's the jews have zero right to steal land they claim to have lived on 2000 years ago. it was utterly preposterous from the start and of course would obviously lead to infinite war as its done for the past 70 years. this is the longest almost non stop conflict in history. but why set the state up there , when any man with a brain and a heart knows of the impending doom that will last until the end of the world? Incidentally do Muslims and Jews believe in the concept of forgiveness of sin and redemption? It certainly doesnt appear so

clearly the yanks and brits wanted to use this as a foothold to control the middle east. helping the poor oppressed jewish people after decades of persecuation was a mere ruse behind which to impose their will and a massive arsenal of nuclear weapons in palestine. then smartly use anti semitism as a hammer to hit anyone who dare question or criticize this insane plan

as for the atomic bomb it ended the us japanese war, but no one else has used it thankfully

[lostalex]

I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

lol What a load of ****. The difference is terrorists target civilians, the US doesn't. That's a very important distinction to make. In fact actually the US has done more to try to prevent civilian deaths in war than any other country in the history of modern warfare.

[Kizzy]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, these atrocities are supposedly done for the greater good.
Except it isn't good.. for anyone.

[Toy Soldier]

lol What a load of ****. The difference is terrorists target civilians, the US doesn't. That's a very important distinction to make. In fact actually the US has done more to try to prevent civilian deaths in war than any other country in the history of modern warfare.

... Err... Civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are off the charts. Literally - I don't think anyone is even bothering to accurately record them any more.

Palestinian civilians, often including children, are being blown to bits every day, and Israel is practically a US puppet state.

Whether or not civilians are being targeted directly or are simply too close to the big booms when overpowered explosives are dropped with little precision in populated areas makes very little difference. The people are just as dead.

[Toy Soldier]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, these atrocities are supposedly done for the greater good.
Except it isn't good.. for anyone.

Or even the same man's, in different circumstances. I always think it's important to remember that Al Qaeda was US backed and funded (almost 3 billion dollars I believe) a few decades ago - to the point that they wouldn't EXIST without that backing. They were "freedom fighters" against dastardly Soviet forces... Fully supported by the US of A. Fast forward a few years and the US realise they have created a monster and now they must be "terrorists" and blown to smithereens.

It's funny really, half a century later and **** never changes. Here we are in 2014 with the US funding and backing Gaza strikes, and on top of that, planes being shot down and tensions with Russia.

[Livia]

I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

Doesn't it make you wonder why Palestine's neighbours don't step in to help? I mean, look who Israel's closest neighbours are... Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebenon, Syria, Saudi Arabia... all Muslim countries. Makes you kind of wonder why they don't side with Hamas, doesn't it.

I'm not standing up for the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israelis, not at all. But people forget that Hamas fires rockets into Israel daily, air raid sirens go off every day... day in, day out... they store their rockets, launchers and other arms and ammo in civilian areas, they fire their rockets from the roof of blocks of flats in civilian areas attempting to use the people as human shields. Israel agreed to an Egyptian-brokered a ceasefire last week, Hamas rejected it. While I acknowledge the Israeli reaction is way over the top, Hamas are not exactly innocent in all of this.

[Livia]

Or even the same man's, in different circumstances. I always think it's important to remember that Al Qaeda was US backed and funded (almost 3 billion dollars I believe) a few decades ago - to the point that they wouldn't EXIST without that backing. They were "freedom fighters" against dastardly Soviet forces... Fully supported by the US of A. Fast forward a few years and the US realise they have created a monster and now they must be "terrorists" and blown to smithereens.

It's funny really, half a century later and **** never changes. Here we are in 2014 with the US funding and backing Gaza strikes, and on top of that, planes being shot down and tensions with Russia.

To be fair, they do quite a large amount of blowing stuff to smithereens themselves.

[Kizzy]

... Err... Civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are off the charts. Literally - I don't think anyone is even bothering to accurately record them any more.

Palestinian civilians, often including children, are being blown to bits every day, and Israel is practically a US puppet state.

Whether or not civilians are being targeted directly or are simply too close to the big booms when overpowered explosives are dropped with little precision in populated areas makes very little difference. The people are just as dead.

Yep same **** different decade, history on repeat.

[Brother Leon]

lol What a load of ****. The difference is terrorists target civilians, the US doesn't. That's a very important distinction to make. In fact actually the US has done more to try to prevent civilian deaths in war than any other country in the history of modern warfare.

You tell yourself that...that amazing brainwashing out in the states eh?

[Kizzy]

'Hamas and Islamic Jihad reportedly agreed to a five-hour pause in the fighting. However, Haaretz quoted senior Israeli officials as saying a humanitarian ceasefire was "not on our agenda right now".

'Twenty-seven soldiers have been killed in fighting, the IDF said in a statement. The Palestinian death toll in Gaza was climbing steadily towards 600, a third of whom are children, according to the UN children's agency Unicef.'

Sickening.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/israel-gaza-israeli-soldier-missing-hamas-shujaiiya

[arista]

Ch4HD News
reports its getting worse in Gaza.
A High Rise Block was attacked but no Hamas in it or near it,
killing women and children.

Even UN water trucks get hit.


And even worse a UN School
was hit.

This is against International Law
of course Israel is above all laws

[the truth]

Ch4HD News
reports its getting worse in Gaza.
A High Rise Block was attacked but no Hamas in it or near it,
killing women and children.

Even UN water trucks get hit.


And even worse a UN School
was hit.

This is against International Law
of course Israel is above all laws

be careful they may call you an anti semite soon just for criticizing the fact the israelis are butchering 100s of innocent people. whata disgusting country, what an horrific regime. these are crimes against humanity, netenyahu belongs should be charged as a war criminal

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/22/324853/default/v1/hospital-1-522x293.jpg
Hospital in Gaza Hit

http://news.sky.com/story/1305242/gaza-conflict-palestinians-propose-truce-plan

[divergent]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28424396

so, the lib dems have suspended one of their MPs for justifying gaza's actions, yet David Cameron (rather than calling for ceasefire) "has urged Israel to "exercise restraint" in its military operations" and strongly believes in "self-defence" for Israel

**** off Cameron

[the truth]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28424396

so, the lib dems have suspended one of their MPs for justifying gaza's actions, yet David Cameron (rather than calling for ceasefire) "has urged Israel to "exercise restraint" in its military operations" and strongly believes in "self-defence" for Israel

**** off Cameron

cameron is a spineless jellyfish with no heart

[arista]

From Ch4HD News Live

166 Killed children
695 Killed Adults


Thats so sad

[Iceman]

Im protesting here in Dublin on Friday...will it help...most likely not but what have I got to lose

[arista]

Im protesting here in Dublin on Friday...will it help...most likely not but what have I got to lose



good on you

[Kizzy]

The United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) has agreed to launch an international inquiry into violations that may have been committed during Israel's latest military offensive in Gaza.

Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, warned earlier that Israel may have committed war crimes in its offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, where hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed in the past two weeks.

http://www.theguardian.com/global/2014/jul/23/un-high-commissioner-navi-pillay-war-crimes-israel

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/23/325128/default/v2/i-1-329x437.jpg

[MTVN]

It aint gonna end while Hamas is involved,No chance.Israelis are'nt gonna cut a deal with terrorists or while rockets are being fired at them.They're just gonna keep retaliating then Hamas will do the same.Vicious circle.They need a cease fire and some proper representatives on the Palestinian side.Hamas are terrorists,Firing rockets from hospitals and schools and using what are supposed to be their own people as human sheilds are not the actions of a legitimate group.Israelis are'nt faultless either but they atleast have something resembling a government who can be reasoned with.

So we keep hearing but that's a bit simplistic. Those on the ground in Gaza have a very different perception of Hamas and their use of apparent human shields, and what should be remembered is that Gaza is one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world, far more so than London or New York I believe, and yet we should blame it on Hamas when Israel's indiscriminate strikes inevitably kill many civilians? Plus there's also the fact it's blocked in by closed borders and Israel still have their naval blockade in place, its incredibly difficult for anyone to leave even if they wanted to. The two 'sides' shouldn't even be compared or equated really considering how grossly imbalanced the conflict is, and considering that Gazans have been treated like sh*t by Israel for years and years. Hamas may be a monster but its one that Israel created.

[lostalex]

So we keep hearing but that's a bit simplistic. Those on the ground in Gaza have a very different perception of Hamas and their use of apparent human shields, and what should be remembered is that Gaza is one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world, far more so than London or New York I believe, and yet we should blame it on Hamas when Israel's indiscriminate strikes inevitably kill many civilians? Plus there's also the fact it's blocked in by closed borders and Israel still have their naval blockade in place, its incredibly difficult for anyone to leave even if they wanted to. The two 'sides' shouldn't even be compared or equated really considering how grossly imbalanced the conflict is, and considering that Gazans have been treated like sh*t by Israel for years and years. Hamas may be a monster but its one that Israel created.

how can you blame israel then when they try to strike the terrorists and there are civilian deaths. when you yourself just said that gaza is so densely populated? so they have no right to strike back just because hamas hides in densely populated areas? so what do you expect them to do to respond then? these people are uneducated murderous religious psychos. they must be delt with.

[MTVN]

how can you blame israel then when they try to strike the terrorists and there are civilian deaths. when you yourself just said that gaza is so densely populated? so they have no right to strike back just because hamas hides in densely populated areas? so what do you expect them to do to respond then? these people are uneducated murderous religious psychos. they must be delt with.

Gaza is densely populated because Israel has penned civilians in there with next to no way of escape. 1.8m forced into a tiny area, the borders to which are closed both north and south, there's a naval blockade in place to the west, the civilians live miserable lives in miserable conditions which are dictated by Israel, they have no consistent access to electricity or water, there's severe food shortages, their civilians are constantly in fear of persecution at the hands of Israel with Western backing. And people wonder why Hamas get so much support?

[lostalex]

Gaza is densely populated because Israel has penned civilians in there with next to no way of escape. 1.8m forced into a tiny area, the borders to which are closed both north and south, there's a naval blockade in place to the west, the civilians live miserable lives in miserable conditions which are dictated by Israel, they have no consistent access to electricity or water, there's severe food shortages, their civilians are constantly in fear of persecution at the hands of Israel with Western backing. And people wonder why Hamas get so much support?


well i believe in a 1 state solution. i believe Israel should not be a jewish state, should be a federal secular state and include all palestinians in this new state. but palestinians will not accept that. and i believe palestinians should have a "right to return" just like jews in israel, but jews will not accept that.

[the truth]

the jews are ultimately more in the wrong here. they stole a country, they continue to steal land to isolate to segregate millions....they even block their supplies and bomb them to smithereens. their response to the hammas pea shooters is massive bombs. totally disproportionate totally illegal totally immoral and utterly contemptuous of the safety of 1000s of innocents. the country should never have been set up in the 1940s they have no right to be there in the first place

[Livia]

well i believe in a 1 state solution. i believe Israel should not be a jewish state, should be a federal secular state and include all palestinians in this new state. but palestinians will not accept that. and i believe palestinians should have a "right to return" just like jews in israel, but jews will not accept that.

I have to agree with this. The thing that strikes me most when I'm in Israel - which is the same thing that's struck me when I've been in Palestine - is a profound disrespect of each other's religions. What I've also learned is that young people think very differently from those in power right now. If there's hope for a settlement between Israel and Palestine, it will come from the young generation. Sadly that's not going to happen tomorrow. But it will happen, I'm convinced of it.

[the truth]

sadly not with netenyahu is charge.

[arista]

today a UN school hit


Israel killing a baby, yet again.



Ref: Ch5HD News and SkyNewsHD

[Kizzy]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10425141_689146357831068_1013205284731832396_n.jpg ?oh=1a1ad23da98d3a9b85b01912e36bb188&oe=544A2388&__gda__=1414807600_eb3a5d72d1f6aca559a7db9d41386d4 1

[lostalex]

terrorists hide behind children, and some people still don't blame the terrorists when children die as human shields. amazing. don't be so naive.


If people put even half as much effort into hating the terrorists as much as they do hating Israel, this war would already be over.

It's the people making excuses for Hamas and their repulsive tactics that keep this going, it just fuels Hamas and makes them think they are winning over the "hearts and minds" of westerners.

Everytime a palestinian child dies Hamas celebrates, because they know it helps them win the propaganda war. Hamas loves pictures of dead children. What does that tell you about them? They celebrate dead children while we mourn. That should tell you everything you need to know about Hamas.

[arista]

Yes Alex
But UN buildings should not be hit



4 UN sites over 4 days

[the truth]

terrorists hide behind children, and some people still don't blame the terrorists when children die as human shields. amazing. don't be so naive.


If people put even half as much effort into hating the terrorists as much as they do hating Israel, this war would already be over.

It's the people making excuses for Hamas and their repulsive tactics that keep this going, it just fuels Hamas and makes them think they are winning over the "hearts and minds" of westerners.

Everytime a palestinian child dies Hamas celebrates, because they know it helps them win the propaganda war. Hamas loves pictures of dead children. What does that tell you about them? They celebrate dead children while we mourn. That should tell you everything you need to know about Hamas.

Israel are the real terrorists and the west is supplying the weapons

[lostalex]

Yes Alex
But UN buildings should not be hit



4 UN sites over 4 days

Hamas knows how to win over "the hearts and minds" dude. don't you SEE that's part of their tactics? when you as Israel know they are gathering to plan rocket attacks at a UN building, what do you do? Isreal tries to send out warnings, they even specifically tell people where they are going to strike many times, Hamas is using places like hospitals, schools, mosques, UN buildings, journalists, as human shields, it's well known by now. how do you not know it? Do you just say, okay, we know there are 3 or 4 important leaders gathering at this place, but there are civilians, so we'll just let them carry on with their business?? What would YOU do if it was your job to protect and defend the Israeli people?

(and don't give me any bull**** about how Jews shouldn't be there to begin with, it's too late for that argument.)

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/24/325338/default/v1/btvqmuziqaaqdnh-1-329x437.jpg
15 public dead at a UN building

[Nedusa]

Hamas knows how to win over "the hearts and minds" dude. don't you SEE that's part of their tactics? when you as Israel know they are gathering to plan rocket attacks at a UN building, what do you do? Isreal tries to send out warnings, they even specifically tell people where they are going to strike many times, Hamas is using places like hospitals, schools, mosques, UN buildings, journalists, as human shields, it's well known by now. how do you not know it? Do you just say, okay, we know there are 3 or 4 important leaders gathering at this place, but there are civilians, so we'll just let them carry on with their business?? What would YOU do if it was your job to protect and defend the Israeli people?

(and don't give me any bull**** about how Jews shouldn't be there to begin with, it's too late for that argument.)

What in your view would you like to see happen in this conflict ? Would you prefer Israel increased its attacks until all the Hamas terrorists were killed.

That would leave the population of Gaza around 0

So that would equate to around 1.8 M dead people but looking on the brightside no more rockets.

Job done....??




.

[Northern Monkey]

What in your view would you like to see happen in this conflict ? Would you prefer Israel increased its attacks until all the Hamas terrorists were killed.

That would leave the population of Gaza around 0

So that would equate to around 1.8 M dead people but looking on the brightside no more rockets.

Job done....??




.So you suggest that any country in the world would sit by and do nothing while it's neighbour fired rockets at it every day?It's the governments main job to defend its people.If france started firing rockets over the Channel would you expect Cameron to just do absolutely nothing?He would be overthrown very quickly.Hamas won't stop firing these rockets and they love it when Palestinian civilians are killed.They select the locations they do to create as many deaths as possible.Nothing can change while Hamas have any influence at all in that country.Britain or any other country would do the same as Israel are doing.They would destroy any sites where weapons are being stored and fired from to disable the agressive countries military capabilities.Hamas need to be wiped out before any deals can happen

[MTVN]

So you suggest that any country in the world would sit by and do nothing while it's neighbour fired rockets at it every day?It's the governments main job to defend its people.If france started firing rockets over the Channel would you expect Cameron to just do absolutely nothing?He would be overthrown very quickly.Hamas won't stop firing these rockets and they love it when Palestinian civilians are killed.They select the locations they do to create as many deaths as possible.Nothing can change while Hamas have any influence at all in that country.Britain or any other country would do the same as Israel are doing.They would destroy any sites where weapons are being stored and fired from to disable the agressive countries military capabilities.Hamas need to be wiped out before any deals can happen

A more accurate analogy would be a paramilitary undercover group within the UK/British isles itself which also uses rockets and guerilla style warfare, hides amongst the general public and does at times target civilians.. And we did have that with the IRA. But our government didn't indiscriminately bomb large parts of Northern Ireland or carry out such brutal action on the ground.

A stat I read somewhere else:

28 civilian Israeli deaths from Hamas rockets since 2001.

34 civilian British deaths in Northern Ireland conflict since 2001.

[Kizzy]

A more accurate analogy would be a paramilitary undercover group within the UK/British isles itself which also uses rockets and guerilla style warfare, hides amongst the general public and does at times target civilians.. And we did have that with the IRA. But our government didn't indiscriminately bomb large parts of Northern Ireland or carry out such brutal action on the ground.

A stat I read somewhere else:

28 civilian Israeli deaths from Hamas rockets since 2001.

34 civilian British deaths in Northern Ireland conflict since 2001.

Is that all, how can they justify such a heavy handed approach?

[Livia]

A more accurate analogy would be a paramilitary undercover group within the UK/British isles itself which also uses rockets and guerilla style warfare, hides amongst the general public and does at times target civilians.. And we did have that with the IRA. But our government didn't indiscriminately bomb large parts of Northern Ireland or carry out such brutal action on the ground.

A stat I read somewhere else:

28 civilian Israeli deaths from Hamas rockets since 2001.

34 civilian British deaths in Northern Ireland conflict since 2001.

Northern Ireland hasn't been firing rockets into the mainland all that time. It's not the same thing at all. Hamas fire rockets at Israel every day, indiscriminately, at residential sites, not military ones. There are always air raid sirens going off. It's only the fact that Israel's defence system is good that the Israeli death toll isn't much, much higher. So many people are armed in Israel, even primary school teachers to protect children against terrorist attack. That doesn't happen on the British mainland, so the analogy isn't a good one. I'm not saying Israel's reaction isn't extreme... it is, the loss of life in Gaza is appalling, no one could argue against that. But people seem to be under the impression that Hamas wouldn't bomb an Israeli school if they could get to it. If Palestine has the same kind of arms and equipment Israel has, the whole place would be a smoking crater.

Something's got to give... I can only hope they can come to some kind of peace agreement the way they have in Northern Ireland.

[MTVN]

Northern Ireland hasn't been firing rockets into the mainland all that time. It's not the same thing at all. Hamas fire rockets at Israel every day, indiscriminately, at residential sites, not military ones. There are always air raid sirens going off. It's only the fact that Israel's defence system is good that the Israeli death toll isn't much, much higher. So many people are armed in Israel, even primary school teachers to protect children against terrorist attack. That doesn't happen on the British mainland, so the analogy isn't a good one. I'm not saying Israel's reaction isn't extreme... it is, the loss of life in Gaza is appalling, no one could argue against that. But people seem to be under the impression that Hamas wouldn't bomb an Israeli school if they could get to it. If Palestine has the same kind of arms and equipment Israel has, the whole place would be a smoking crater.

Something's got to give... I can only hope they can come to some kind of peace agreement the way they have in Northern Ireland.

True but those differences are also why the France analogy would be way off, because that would be two global powers of near equal might and capabilities going to war whereas this conflict is very much imbalanced in almost every way possible. I'm not saying they are right to think this but both Hamas and the IRA would see themselves as the persecuted David taking on the oppressive Goliath of Israel/the UK.

[Kizzy]

You would think if they had been firing everyday for 13yrs then they would have tried something else wouldn't you?as that equates to 1 civillian death every 170 days.

[Livia]

True but those differences are also why the France analogy would be way off, because that would be two global powers of near equal might and capabilities going to war whereas this conflict is very much imbalanced in almost every way possible. I'm not saying they are right to think this but both Hamas and the IRA would see themselves as the persecuted David taking on the oppressive Goliath of Israel/the UK.

I see that... the thing with Northern Ireland was that no one was listening to anyone while large scale bombings and shootings were taking place and it took both sides to move toward a peace process. The two sides had to stop and talk to one another. I can't see that happening in Israel any time soon... sadly.

[arista]

Five Palestinians Killed On 'Day Of Rage'

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/25/325469/default/v3/452656904-1-626x352.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/25/325470/default/v3/452657486-1-522x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1307393/five-palestinians-killed-on-day-of-rage

when will it end?

[the truth]

Northern Ireland hasn't been firing rockets into the mainland all that time. It's not the same thing at all. Hamas fire rockets at Israel every day, indiscriminately, at residential sites, not military ones. There are always air raid sirens going off. It's only the fact that Israel's defence system is good that the Israeli death toll isn't much, much higher. So many people are armed in Israel, even primary school teachers to protect children against terrorist attack. That doesn't happen on the British mainland, so the analogy isn't a good one. I'm not saying Israel's reaction isn't extreme... it is, the loss of life in Gaza is appalling, no one could argue against that. But people seem to be under the impression that Hamas wouldn't bomb an Israeli school if they could get to it. If Palestine has the same kind of arms and equipment Israel has, the whole place would be a smoking crater.

Something's got to give... I can only hope they can come to some kind of peace agreement the way they have in Northern Ireland.

the palestinians have been treated infinitely worse than the northern irish, at least they had a country

[Northern Monkey]

There is no real comparative analogy for this conflict,It's quite a unique situation but you get what i'm saying.No country including Britain would stand by and do nothing whilst rockets were fired at them.They would do exactly as Israel are doing and strike any military targets they found wether there was civilians there or not.Atleast the Israelis are warning people to leave the area before they strike.Hamas are turning the hospitals,schools and residential areas into targets deliberatly to cause Palistinian deaths.They don't have to fire rockets from these areas or store weapons there,They do it for propaganda.

[arista]

[Gaza fighting continues as both sides reject others' ceasefire announcements
Death toll rises to more than 1,030 as Unicef says 218 children have been killed, two-thirds of them under the age of 12]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/27/gaza-fighting-continues-both-sides-reject-ceasefires

[lostalex]

the palestinians have to stop this, and ask to be part of Israel. it's the only solution i see. and Israel must accept Palestinians as full citizens with full rights as Israeli citizens. It's the only way i see this can end well. Equal rights for Palestinians is the only way, and Palestinians accepting that there is no such county as palestine anymore. it is sad that their country has ended, but most of the world has had sovereign countries die, how many countries from 500 years ago still exists with the same borders? i can't think of any. They need to accept that Palestine doesn't exist, and they need to be included as full Israeli citizens and embraced by Israel. israel cannot be a "jewish state" if we ever want peace. It needs to be a secular country, and have a freedom of religion built into it's constitution like the US for this to work. Israel cannot continue to exist as a jewish state, and Palestine does not exist as a country any more. it's still okay for muslims to remember and appreciate the former palestine, just like Italy remembers and appreciates it's former roman empire, but they need to accept that it doesn't exist anymore.

They should all be Israelis with full rights, period. if Israel does become a majority muslim country, Jews need to accept that, and be as tolerant and accepting as possible. If they put a proper constitution and bill of rights and government and court in place, then it shouldn't be a problem. Jews need to accept that they will probably be a minority in Israel eventually. Just like whites in America have to accept that hispanics will be the majority in the US soon.

No room for racism AT ALL.

[billy123]

Absolutely terrifying.
This guy is livestreaming from gaza and they just hit a house a few yards away from his house with a small shell (the knock) so they are expecing it to be destroyed anytime in the next hour by rocket attack.
The place is currently lit up with flares from Israeli forces ready to take out the building.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jehadels

The constant sound of the drones is enough to drive you insane.

[Shaun]

whites in America have to accept that hispanics will be the majority in the US soon.

wait wut?

[the truth]

There is no real comparative analogy for this conflict,It's quite a unique situation but you get what i'm saying.No country including Britain would stand by and do nothing whilst rockets were fired at them.They would do exactly as Israel are doing and strike any military targets they found wether there was civilians there or not.Atleast the Israelis are warning people to leave the area before they strike.Hamas are turning the hospitals,schools and residential areas into targets deliberatly to cause Palistinian deaths.They don't have to fire rockets from these areas or store weapons there,They do it for propaganda.

no the UK wouldnt do what israel are doing, because they wouldnt steal a country, keep stealing more land, blockading and effectively starving people and denying the country of palestine the right to exist....then bombing the hell of of thousands of mostly innocent people too. the way israel treat palestine is 1000 worse than the way the english monarchy treated little old wales but that was 700 years ago. thats how far back israel are in terms of their mental , moral and spiritual development. this is a sumbag country. it should never have been set up 70 years ago , they had no right to go there and steal that land in the first place. now they are there, clearly both sides must drop their weapons. we have blood on our hands for setting up this disaster 70 years ago and for supplying so many weapons.

the UN has had avote to allow palestine in as a country , by 200+ to 9 against yet its rights are still ignored because the US and UK went against it and thats where the weapons are...we the UK went against the democratic and legal right of palestine to exist as a country. it seems as though its israel who wants to wipe palestine off the map and not the other way around. we brits have cowards in charge. make palestine a country, save these innocent peole, give them democracy and guess what if they have that real democracy and the rights that entails they will then not feel the need to allow the likes of hammas to take over. 2 state solution but someone has to compromise and that someone has to be israel.....

maybe by ad 5057 theyll talk , if theres anyone left alive

[Livia]

Hammas fighters have continued to fire their rockets into Israel during the last couple of "ceasefires"; they have fired them from the roofs of flats, from hospitals and from schools using their own people as human shields. They should be condemned as heartily as Israel is being condemned. Palestine has the sympathy and the attention of the world, every news bulleting features their most heart-rending pictures, injured children, crying women... so why are Hamas continuing to fire on Israel - even during ceasefires - knowing that Israel will retaliate in a violent way?

[the truth]

Hammas fighters have continued to fire their rockets into Israel during the last couple of "ceasefires"; they have fired them from the roofs of flats, from hospitals and from schools using their own people as human shields. They should be condemned as heartily as Israel is being condemned. Palestine has the sympathy and the attention of the world, every news bulleting features their most heart-rending pictures, injured children, crying women... so why are Hamas continuing to fire on Israel - even during ceasefires - knowing that Israel will retaliate in a violent way?

palestine should be recognised as a country and should have all the rights all nations have. the fact they have hammas there is a side effect from the disgusting persecution of the palestinians by the israelis. the israelis must recognise the right of palestine to be a country. this gesture would in turn allow israel to be recognised as a legitimate country. this is the ONLy way this disaster can ever move forward

[Crimson Dynamo]

Both sides now have convincing cast iron arguments. They make perfect sense to each.

[the truth]

1336 palestinians dead 56 israelis
the evil israelis have bombed schools and hospitals galore
theyve even bombed a UN building now thats killed umpteen kids in their classrooms
when will the world ever stand up to the jews>?????

[Livia]

1336 palestinians dead 56 israelis
the evil israelis have bombed schools and hospitals galore
theyve even bombed a UN building now thats killed umpteen kids in their classrooms
when will the world ever stand up to the jews>?????

You mean... when will the world stand up to the ISRAELIS.

[arista]

1336 palestinians dead 56 israelis
the evil israelis have bombed schools and hospitals galore
theyve even bombed a UN building now thats killed umpteen kids in their classrooms
when will the world ever stand up to the jews>?????



You do not have to keep using that word.

[arista]

Hammas fighters have continued to fire their rockets into Israel during the last couple of "ceasefires"; they have fired them from the roofs of flats, from hospitals and from schools using their own people as human shields. They should be condemned as heartily as Israel is being condemned. Palestine has the sympathy and the attention of the world, every news bulleting features their most heart-rending pictures, injured children, crying women... so why are Hamas continuing to fire on Israel - even during ceasefires - knowing that Israel will retaliate in a violent way?



Yes Fecking Tony Blair
does Feck All to Help.

[Livia]

Yes Fecking Tony Blair
does Feck All to Help.

It's beyond my comprehension that he was made a Middle East peace envoy. Who the hell made that call?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's beyond my comprehension that he was made a Middle East peace envoy. Who the hell made that call?

its one of the most ridiculous appointments in history

the guy is actually demented

he is the only politician who is worse than his spitting image portrayal

[the truth]

tony bliar is a war criminal

[Novo]

We need to start making music and stop making wars

Message brought to you by ~~ MGW ~~

[arista]

mR1LGoNg5p4&app=desktop
Ch4HD news
Jon Snow recounts the scene in Gaza's al-Shifa hospital, where doctors struggle to treat adults and children wounded by Israeli attacks.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/31/jon-snow-gaza-video-backed-channel-4



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[Crimson Dynamo]

Jon Snow annihilates Israeli spokes person is the name of the video and he did no such thing. The guy answered all the questions in a polite and level headed manner. Where is the Hamas leader on C4 answering questions about rockets?

[arista]

Jon Snow annihilates Israeli spokes person is the name of the video and he did no such thing. The guy answered all the questions in a polite and level headed manner. Where is the Hamas leader on C4 answering questions about rockets?

He is spokesman
and it was all him talking

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is spokesman
and it was all him talking

yes but i have not seen anyone from Hamas taking questions like that

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

hrlUzkd8Z8g

:joker:

but also

:worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes but i have not seen anyone from Hamas taking questions like that

here is the Chief PLO rep to the USA defending his position

and may i say, not very well

nCdpEDbrIdA

[the truth]

blowing up UN buildings now.....these people are demented. obama grow some and get down there to referee these idiots

[lostalex]

blowing up UN buildings now.....these people are demented. obama grow some and get down there to referee these idiots

If the rest of the world is so pissed off at the US and Israel, where is China? where is Russia? where are any of the BRICS countries to defend the Palestinians? If it's actually such a "slaughter" why isn't the rest of the world standing up against Israel and the US with actions, instead of just cheap words?

[the truth]

If the rest of the world is so pissed off at the US and Israel, where is China? where is Russia? where are any of the BRICS countries to defend the Palestinians? If it's actually such a "slaughter" why isn't the rest of the world standing up against Israel and the US with actions, instead of just cheap words?

why do you think?

[lostalex]

why do you think?

because they don't give a **** and like i said it's all just cheap words.

[Kizzy]

It's the golden rule... whoever has the gold makes the rules.

[lostalex]

It's the golden rule... whoever has the gold makes the rules.

The rest of the world has far more "gold" (money and power) than the US and Israel.

[Kizzy]

'Documents obtained by The Independent showed that arms export licences worth £42 million have been granted to 130 British defence manufacturers since 2010 to sell military equipment to Israel, ranging from weapons control and targeting systems to ammunition, drones and armoured vehicles.

The Government said it was reviewing all licences to Israel, but a Labour MP said ministers were "burying their heads in the sand" over the issue of whether UK-manufactured weapons or components have been used in Gaza since the current round of hostilities began three weeks ago.'

British weapons killing kids on beaches... am I surprised?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/02/israel-gaza-conflict-_n_5643655.html?ncid=webmail1

[arista]

'Documents obtained by The Independent showed that arms export licences worth £42 million have been granted to 130 British defence manufacturers since 2010 to sell military equipment to Israel, ranging from weapons control and targeting systems to ammunition, drones and armoured vehicles.

The Government said it was reviewing all licences to Israel, but a Labour MP said ministers were "burying their heads in the sand" over the issue of whether UK-manufactured weapons or components have been used in Gaza since the current round of hostilities began three weeks ago.'

British weapons killing kids on beaches... am I surprised?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/02/israel-gaza-conflict-_n_5643655.html?ncid=webmail1



Yes Its a Business
to sell Israel HiTech Weapons

Are you saying Kizzy - all those workers to get Fired?

[arista]

[Early on Saturday, the Hamas military wing said in a statement
on its website that it was "not aware until this moment of a
missing soldier or his whereabouts or the circumstances of his disappearance".
The group said it believed the soldier might have been killed in a clash with
Hamas fighters about an hour before the start of the ceasefire.
The Israeli military declined comment on the statement.]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/02/gaza-fighting-soldier-ceasefire



Whats the truth here?

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/2/326930/default/v1/soldiercomp-1-626x352.jpg
http://news.sky.com/story/1311786/death-toll-surges-as-israel-hunts-for-soldier

The American President has said its wrong to Kidnap him?
Has he got his facts right?

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/16/1405516427201/Pro-Palestine-groups-prot-011.jpg
Bloated BBC is Pro Israel

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/16/bbc-defends-coverage-israeli-airstrikes-gaza-palestinian

[the truth]

'Documents obtained by The Independent showed that arms export licences worth £42 million have been granted to 130 British defence manufacturers since 2010 to sell military equipment to Israel, ranging from weapons control and targeting systems to ammunition, drones and armoured vehicles.

The Government said it was reviewing all licences to Israel, but a Labour MP said ministers were "burying their heads in the sand" over the issue of whether UK-manufactured weapons or components have been used in Gaza since the current round of hostilities began three weeks ago.'

British weapons killing kids on beaches... am I surprised?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/02/israel-gaza-conflict-_n_5643655.html?ncid=webmail1

spot on, yet the bbc dont cover this properly , why?

[Kizzy]

Yes Its a Business
to sell Israel HiTech Weapons

Are you saying Kizzy - all those workers to get Fired?

Make something else maybe, didn't we used to make planes, trains and automobiles?..
Not that making money is the issue here, but let's not let an ethical debate stand in the way of 'business'.

[the truth]

the israel jews have bombed another school today more innocent children butchered

[Brother Leon]

496009569660043264

Oh dear.

[the truth]

radical judaism is the biggest threat to world peace

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/4/327328/default/v1/rtr415qq-1-626x352.jpg
Israel Resumes Assault On Gaza As Truce Ends

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/4/327207/default/v2/453153944-1-778x437.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1312820/israel-resumes-assault-on-gaza-as-truce-ends



The War that may never end

[the truth]

the only way it will end is when those jewish psychos drop the bomb.....then afterwards oif theres anything left of the planet, the world will win back its right to criticize them without being called racist.

[billy123]

Nobody is innocent in this mess. One side is suffering more though thats for sure but that doesnt clear them of any blame.
Walking through Manchester today hearing pro Hitler chants from a group of Free Palestine protestors aimed at a Jewish family owned Jewellers shop while the police just watched on turned my stomach. The family looked terrified locked inside with children.
This is in ****ing Manchester what have they done to deserve that. What has Manchester got to do with this conflict?
I felt so angry watching this play out.

The Hatred is so ingrained in both sides i dont see how it can end.
Israel hold most of the power surely its up to them to make the move towards ending it even under such provocation it has to be them that make a big step first but lets not underestimate the amount of provocation they are under.

[the truth]

Nobody is innocent in this mess. One side is suffering more though thats for sure but that doesnt clear them of any blame.
Walking through Manchester today hearing pro Hitler chants from a group of Free Palestine protestors aimed at a Jewish family owned Jewellers shop while the police just watched on turned my stomach. The family looked terrified locked inside with children.
This is in ****ing Manchester what have they done to deserve that. What has Manchester got to do with this conflict?
I felt so angry watching this play out.

The Hatred is so ingrained in both sides i dont see how it can end.
Israel hold most of the power surely its up to them to make the move towards ending it even under such provocation it has to be them that make a big step first but lets not underestimate the amount of provocation they are under.
your trivial tale is wholly irrelevant compared to 1000s of innocents murdered on the streets

[billy123]

your trivial tale is wholly irrelevant compared to 1000s of innocents murdered on the streetsAnd who's opinion is relevant when compared to the deaths of anyone? Not your one eyed rubbish thats for sure.
There is just no need for it if you dont like it dont reply to it with a silly little sarcastic comment just ignore it.
Im flattered that you stalk me round the board and launch these petty attacks every few days but i made my feelings towards you quite clear a couple of days ago and thats not going to change any time soon.
Sorry Hun you are out of luck. :hehe:

[the truth]

And who's opinion is relevant when compared to the deaths of anyone? Not your one eyed rubbish thats for sure.
There is just no need for it if you dont like it dont reply to it with a silly little sarcastic comment just ignore it.
Im flattered that you stalk me round the board and launch these petty attacks every few days but i made my feelings towards you quite clear a couple of days ago and thats not going to change any time soon.
Sorry Hun you are out of luck. :hehe:

who hell are you? ive literally never noticed a word youve ever said, no offence....im talking about israel palestine and the end of the world, you seem to be talking about yourself which is a significantly smaller topic thats of zero interest.

[billy123]

who hell are you? ive literally never noticed a word youve ever said, no offence....im talking about israel palestine and the end of the world, you seem to be talking about yourself which is a significantly smaller topic thats of zero interest.Oh dear dont be so angry hun just try sticking to the topic.
It is very amusing that you claim not to know me when you pointlessly report my posts so often that it wastes peoples time on here.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/4368993/tee-hee-hee-o.gif

[billy123]

Lets hope the ceasefire holds this time.
Although its not a big first step this time that in my opinion needs to be taken to try and fix this at least the deaths might slow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28654229

the truth (ironic name imo) might have had nothing but hate to offer to my previous post but the point was what i saw in Manchester yesterday just made me pause and re-evaluate what was happening instead of getting caught up in the purely pro Palestine fervour that seems to be the cool thing to do just now it just made me realise how much hate was coming from both sides.

Heres the group i saw and the dickhead guy that i saw spouting off yesterday at about 1:55 in the video he was 1 of 50 that were spewing the same hate.

EnGLlpScTVA

[Crimson Dynamo]

where do hamas get all the money for the rockets?

[lostalex]

where do hamas get all the money for the rockets?

Iran i'm guessing. (probably Russia too)

[arista]

where do hamas get all the money for the rockets?


They are gifts from America

Other nations like Qatar
get them from USA for their own stock
but they,
then give loads free to Hamas

[lostalex]

They are gifts from America

Other nations like Qatar
get them from USA for their own stock
but then give loads free to Hamas
and the UK isn't a mass arms dealer on the international stage? if you you are gonna start calling out arms dealers you must talk about the UK, BRO.

[arista]

and the UK isn't a mass arms dealer on the international stage? if you you are gonna start calling out arms dealers you must talk about the UK, BRO.



Sure arms are sold from the UK to Israel



But Americas missiles end up being fired at Israel
as other nations give the free to Hamas

[MTVN]

The oil-rich Gulf state of Qatar’s influence has been widely felt during the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict. While traditionally closely aligned with Iran, Hamas has pivoted to Sunni powers like Qatar and Turkey in recent years for economic and political support. Keen to expand its regional and international influence, Qatar’s ties to the Palestinian terrorist group have drawn increasing criticism from Israel, the United States, and even fellow Arab states like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, who accuse Qatar of undermining regional stability by supporting Hamas.

“Qatar is a very strange place. They rely on the U.S. for protection and invest heavily in the U.S.,” said Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), noting that the U.S. has its largest Mideast airbase—Al-Udeid Air Base—in Qatar.

“[But] at the same time, just miles away from [the airbase], you can find the head of Hamas (Khaled Mashal), and there was even a Taliban embassy there for a while too. All of these things make for a foreign-policy anomaly,” Schanzer told JNS.org.
With the war raging in Gaza, Israeli leaders have begun to single out Qatar for its support of Hamas. During a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on July 23, now-former Israeli President Shimon Peres slammed Qatar for becoming “the world’s largest funder of terror.”

http://themoderatevoice.com/197426/gaza-conflict-spotlights-role-of-qatar-the-hamas-funding-u-s-ally/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+themoderatevoice+(The+Moderat e+Voice)

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://themoderatevoice.com/197426/gaza-conflict-spotlights-role-of-qatar-the-hamas-funding-u-s-ally/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+themoderatevoice+(The+Moderat e+Voice)

and lets also give them the world cup as a reward

:facepalm:

[the truth]

Lets hope the ceasefire holds this time.
Although its not a big first step this time that in my opinion needs to be taken to try and fix this at least the deaths might slow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28654229

the truth (ironic name imo) might have had nothing but hate to offer to my previous post but the point was what i saw in Manchester yesterday just made me pause and re-evaluate what was happening instead of getting caught up in the purely pro Palestine fervour that seems to be the cool thing to do just now it just made me realise how much hate was coming from both sides.

Heres the group i saw and the dickhead guy that i saw spouting off yesterday at about 1:55 in the video he was 1 of 50 that were spewing the same hate.

EnGLlpScTVA

are you justifying bombing hospitals and UN buildings and schools killing 100s and 100s of children?

id rather question israel at this stage, they have the power the bombs the money the US / UK support, theyre abusing their power on a massive scale

id rather question israels disgusting tactics, its far better than the populist radical pro zionism that got us into this mess to start with .........everyone knows theres 2 sides....the trouble is israels actions are totally disproportionate totally inhumane and ultimately self defeating...

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1407249013

Hamas Assembles and Fires Rockets outside hotel
Hamas putting journalists, hotel guests and other civilians in danger.

[the truth]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1407249013

Hamas Assembles and Fires Rockets outside hotel
Hamas putting journalists, hotel guests and other civilians in danger.

toy rockets that have only killed 1 person, compare dto the 1400+ bombed by the israels? even if hammas fires a toy rocket, the reaction to bomb hospitals schoools and UN buildings is 100 times too disproportionate, immoral, illegal and self defeating

[billy123]

toy rockets that have only killed 1 person, compare dto the 1400+ bombed by the israels? even if hammas fires a toy rocket, the reaction to bomb hospitals schoools and UN buildings is 100 times too disproportionate, immoral, illegal and self defeatingThat thing is no toy ffs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

toy rockets that have only killed 1 person, compare dto the 1400+ bombed by the israels? even if hammas fires a toy rocket, the reaction to bomb hospitals schoools and UN buildings is 100 times too disproportionate, immoral, illegal and self defeating



that, i am afraid, is not how war works

[GypsyGoth]

It's a tough situation, neither side is in the right.

The fact that Hamas knows Israel can kick their ass, well maybe they shouldn't provoke them. It's like having to live in the same cave as a bear, yet you continually prod the bear with a stick. And from what I know the Israel army are one of the best trained in the world.

Hamas should stop firing in rockets and try it's best to protect the citizens who voted for them.

[Livia]

It's a tough situation, neither side is in the right.

The fact that Hamas knows Israel can kick their ass, well maybe they shouldn't provoke them. It's like having to live in the same cave as a bear, yet you continually prod the bear with a stick. And from what I know the Israel army are one of the best trained in the world.

Hamas should stop firing in rockets and try it's best to protect the citizens who voted for them.

That's a great post Gyps.

The eyes of the world are on Gaza, and the sympathy of the world is with the ordinary Palestinians trying to protect themselves and their families. if Hamas stopped the madness now there would be immense international pressure on Israel to stand down. Sadly I don't think that will happen.

[the truth]

its time for the israelis to give the palestinians their rights and their land and their right to be a country instead of terrorising these poor victims of their cruel opporession...israel is morally in the wrong from the start, it begins and ends with that fact.

[billy123]

its time for the israelis to give the palestinians their rights and their land and their right to be a country instead of terrorising these poor victims of their cruel opporession...israel is morally in the wrong from the start, it begins and ends with that fact.Firing rockets at them wont achieve that.

[the truth]

Firing rockets at them wont achieve that.

i agree....neither does diplomacy and 200+ countries voting for palestine to be a nation in its own right....the palestinians cant win theyve had their land and country stolen, their rights taken, their freedoms destroyed, their families either butchered and murdered or disabled for life.....and why? why do the poor palestinians have to pay for the sins of the nazis? how does that equate?

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's a great post Gyps.

The eyes of the world are on Gaza, and the sympathy of the world is with the ordinary Palestinians trying to protect themselves and their families. if Hamas stopped the madness now there would be immense international pressure on Israel to stand down. Sadly I don't think that will happen.

Absolutely. If they were smart they could use the public to achieve their aims - the heartstrings are a far more powerful weapon than the rocket

dont poke the bear

[Crimson Dynamo]

i agree....neither does diplomacy and 200+ countries voting for palestine to be a nation in its own right....the palestinians cant win theyve had their land and country stolen, their rights taken, their freedoms destroyed, their families either butchered and murdered or disabled for life.....and why? why do the poor palestinians have to pay for the sins of the nazis? how does that equate?

Israel is a reality

move on

[the truth]

Israel is a reality

move on

to what? world war 3? its a disastrous reality.....palestine is also a reality that needs to become a nation

[Crimson Dynamo]

to what? world war 3? its a disastrous reality.....palestine is also a reality that needs to become a nation

my advise to them is stop firing rockets you did not pay for at Israel

then

start talking and the world will listen

[the truth]

my advise to them is stop firing rockets you did not pay for at Israel

then

start talking and the world will listen

your sentence makes no sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

your sentence makes no sense.

that is because it has no revenge in it