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arista
10-07-2014, 09:27 AM
1st heading : The PM and Deputy PM Both Live at Downing St. New Laws.


Thats Rare to see them both
SkyNewsHD and BBCNewsHD

Surveillance Laws
but of course still not the same as USA
so the PM will work with America.



He confirmed
Labour backs his plan.



http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/3/18/226927/default/v1/159069821-1-402x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1298294/mi5-allowed-to-track-terror-plots-on-internet


[MI5 and the police will be able to sift through mobile phone and internet data under
emergency laws being rushed through Parliament, David Cameron has announced.]


this is to stop Jihads
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 09:58 AM
Civil liberties groups expressed concerns that the act could be used in the future by a government with malign intent. Tony Bunyan, editor of Statewatch, described the powers as truly draconian. He said: "Cities could be sealed off, travel bans introduced, all phones cut off, and websites shut down. Demonstrations could be banned and the news media made subject to censorship. New offences against the state could be 'created' by government decree.

"This is Britain's Patriot Act. At a stroke democracy could be replaced by totalitarianism."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2008/dec/16/civil-contingencies-act
arista
10-07-2014, 10:14 AM
"Civil liberties groups expressed concerns that the act could be used in the future by a government with malign intent"



Utter Bollocks


They have Safeguards
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 10:28 AM
that is the act as it stands now, ECJ rulings have quashed the bit the gov rely on to monitor terrorist activity electronically it seems to me?

So we're getting our own NSA

'The Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, modelled on a similar US body and including external experts, will be required to check on how the powers are used.'

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/10/emergency-surveillance-laws-rushed-through-cross-party-support
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 10:34 AM
Live..
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jul/10/cameron-announcing-emergency-surveillance-legislation-politics-live-blog
Nedusa
10-07-2014, 10:35 AM
This is very dangerous, a slippery slope to a totalitarian police state.

one might ask the question... Who polices the Police ??

Absolute power like this can only lead to corruption at the highest levels.


imho......this is a step too far.




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arista
10-07-2014, 12:41 PM
"So we're getting our own NSA"

Yes but with Safeguards, Kizzy

Backed by all 3 Leaders
arista
10-07-2014, 12:42 PM
This is very dangerous, a slippery slope to a totalitarian police state.

one might ask the question... Who polices the Police ??

Absolute power like this can only lead to corruption at the highest levels.


imho......this is a step too far.




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the Home Secretary does
Livia
10-07-2014, 12:52 PM
"So we're getting our own NSA"

Yes but with Safeguards, Kizzy

Backed by all 3 Leaders

Good. I don't see why people are against more security for our country. And it's not only to help in the fight against terrorism, but to counter money laundering, organised crime and other dealings. The world is a dangerous place, there are people working for our safety... I say we give them all the help we can.
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 12:57 PM
https://medium.com/@tom_watson/something-terrible-could-be-happening-in-parliament-on-monday-and-i-need-your-urgent-attention-22c3136de17c

It's not why they're doing it or what they're doing it for.... It's HOW they're doing it.
arista
10-07-2014, 01:16 PM
https://medium.com/@tom_watson/something-terrible-could-be-happening-in-parliament-on-monday-and-i-need-your-urgent-attention-22c3136de17c

It's not why they're doing it or what they're doing it for.... It's HOW they're doing it.



Yes but it has to be done


Clegg backs this



T Watson can Bogg off
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 01:25 PM
Yes but it has to be done


Clegg backs this



T Watson can Bogg off

This is a democracy T waton is a democratically elected representative, he's paid to give his opinion arista.
arista
10-07-2014, 01:28 PM
This is a democracy T waton is a democratically elected representative, he's paid to give his opinion arista.



yes Democracy
that why the 2 Leaders told us all today.



Under a State of War
Everything can change Kizzy


You could be in Town
and have to
Hit The Deck
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 01:31 PM
yes Democracy
that why the 2 Leaders told us all today.



Under a State of War
Everything can change Kizzy


You could be in Town
and have to
Hit The Deck

That has nothing whatsoever to do with this issue, if the MPs are not there to debate it's not a debate is it?
arista
10-07-2014, 01:32 PM
That has nothing whatsoever to do with this issue, if the MPs are not there to debate it's not a debate is it?


some of it will be debated



Democracy
MTVN
10-07-2014, 01:38 PM
Surprised to see the Lib Dems backing it really
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 01:40 PM
some of it will be debated



Democracy

Democracy is kind of an all or nothing thing... you can't throw the dog a bone.
arista
10-07-2014, 01:42 PM
Surprised to see the Lib Dems backing it really


But Clegg has seen the File on these Extreme Muslims
that want to attack the UK and USA now
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 01:53 PM
If he was that bothered why did he scale back the funding for the PREVENT programme to the tune of millions when it highlighted the need to identify home grown terrorists to counter terrorism?

http://www.css.ethz.ch/publications/pdfs/ZB-80.pdf
Kizzy
10-07-2014, 01:59 PM
here it is..
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/328939/draft-drip-bill.pdf
Crimson Dynamo
10-07-2014, 02:06 PM
Maybe they could tell me what the feck my mate Big J was going on about last night. He was pished and giving me the lowdown on Glasto but as the football was nearing its climax I just laid the phone on a cushion next to me and said wow and really every 5 minutes.

Can someone from MI5 call me and let me know the summary?
Nedusa
10-07-2014, 02:34 PM
This measure is not going to deter hardened criminals nor will it stop organised crime, nor will it stop well prepared well funded terrorists from communicating with each other.

What it will do is allow the Govt to be seen to be doing something and it will allow the Govt to snoop on everybody in the hope of picking up information that it may be able to use in a variety of circumstances.

It will have access to so much data that it cannot possibly process any realistic amount,relying probably on computer programs to pick up code words or specific patterns of words which in the event may just turn out to be harmless.

So get ready for more and more stories of Muslims being arrested on suspicion of plotting terrorism when in fact they were talking about a movie or talking about a terrorist attack that they saw on the news.

This will further alienate this group of people and help to create the very thing it is trying to stop.

Way to Go......British Govt another dangerously stupid half baked ill thought out law.





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arista
10-07-2014, 03:09 PM
Example:

I could be walking in Brent Cross Shopping Centre
London
three Extreme Muslims Men start shooting machine guns
killing loads of public.

I would Hit the Deck
then move away



T.Watson does not have the MI5 File to view
he has no idea what threats are current
Pete.
10-07-2014, 03:11 PM
this hasn't been reported in any other main news channels
arista
10-07-2014, 03:11 PM
Maybe they could tell me what the feck my mate Big J was going on about last night. He was pished and giving me the lowdown on Glasto but as the football was nearing its climax I just laid the phone on a cushion next to me and said wow and really every 5 minutes.

Can someone from MI5 call me and let me know the summary?



No MI5
is tracking Terrorists Extreme Muslims


LT its no Joke
arista
10-07-2014, 03:12 PM
this hasn't been reported in any other main news channels


Hence "Example at the top"


PM
Pete.
10-07-2014, 03:15 PM
It's good that they've upped security but at the expense of our privacy :bored:

It's quite funny that the government want to see my boring life
arista
10-07-2014, 03:21 PM
It's good that they've upped security but at the expense of our privacy :bored:

It's quite funny that the government want to see my boring life



No they Want Terrorists based in the UK


Not You
Tom4784
10-07-2014, 04:51 PM
Terrible idea and I don't accept the thought that this is for our protection, infringing on our rights for our 'protection' is completely idiotic.
Pete.
10-07-2014, 05:01 PM
I think people are viewing this incorrectly like I did.

It just means that if MI5 and the police etc think that someone is a terrorist then they are now allowed to look through their emails and phones as they have done in previous occasions in the past
Pete.
10-07-2014, 05:02 PM
No they Want Terrorists based in the UK


Not You
I get that now :laugh:
arista
10-07-2014, 05:04 PM
Terrible idea and I don't accept the thought that this is for our protection, infringing on our rights for our 'protection' is completely idiotic.



You would change your mind
if you could view the MI5 file on UK Attacks planned
that got All 3 Leaders to do this,
Dezzy.


What went down in that Kenya Shopping Mall
are due here soon.