To those who think BBUK is manipulated, watch BB Italy

[*mazedsalv**]

Saw this thread on DS and 100% agree. I watch the show and love it, but my god, the 12th season was so manipulated! People complain about BBUK but it's probably one of the most fair BB's in the world.

For around 4 months, 2 HMs would be given immunity from the public (fair), 2 from the Hms (sort of fair) and 2 from the PRODUCERS. Made me laugh that for around 12 weeks, the producers chose the same female to be immune every week hence the public disliking her.

Every week, a HM would be able to either see or speak to a member of their family/friends, they would also see what the media was saying by looking at interviews speaking about them every eviction night to create drama.

However it does have full live feed.

For those who think BBUK is manipulated, go and visit the Wiki page for S12 of Italian BB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Fratello_(season_12)

Scroll down to the 'nomination and eviction notes' and let us know what you think :laugh:

[Yaki da]

That's nice. But this is BB UK... A show where there was at least, until this series, some sense the public had a say.

Remember that show that got viewing figures of over 5 million? The one that was destroyed by desperate stunt after desperate stunt (BB8) and never recovered? They're still doing it, only now it's even worse. They've lost the plot.
And people are defending it. :laugh:

Well, you get the viewers you deserve.

[Vanessa]

Live feed. :flutter:

[Rob!]

Omg people would actually have meltdowns on here :joker:

[Vanessa]

Omg people would actually have meltdowns on here :joker:

:joker:

[Yaki da]

Omg people would actually have meltdowns on here :joker:

They wouldn't. Because they just wouldn't be watching.

[Achilles]

If they want to manipulate and create a show to their own liking that is fine, but they should make it clear to the public that is what they are doing. They don't and that's the issue. Then if the public are fully aware there is nothing underhand going on.

[*mazedsalv**]

This is only like 1/5 of the notes... imagine if any of this happened here...

^4 The producers decided that only Adriana, Kiran, Leone, Sofia and Valeria could be nominated that week. Armando, Martina and Vito were immune as they were new housemates.
^5 The producers decided that only Adriana, Kiran, Sofia and Vito could be nominated that week.
^6 The producers decided that only Adriana, Gaia, Kiran and Leone could be nominated that week.
^7 The producers decided that only Adriana, Amedeo, Kiran and Vito could be nominated that week.
^8 The producers decided that only Amedeo, Chiara, Kiran, Martina and Vito could be nominated that week. Ilenia was the favoutire housemate of the public and she could save one of the nominees. She saved Martina.
^9 The producers decided that only Amedeo, Armando, Caterina, Franco and Vito could be nominated that week. Ilenia was the favoutire housemate of the public and she gave immunity to Rudolf.
^10 The next 6 housemates received immunity for a month. Floriana and Rudolf were immune because of the housemates. The public gave immunity to Gaia and Ilenia. The producers gave immunity to Enrica and Fabrizio.

Major meltdowns :shocked: BBUK is actually the least manipulated, BB France is manipulated to and doesn't have a Live Feed also, Spain DOES have a feed but is also as manipulated.

BBUSA is the only series that has been unchanged since its 2nd season (as its first was exactly like BBUK with public vote).

[Yaki da]

This is only like 1/5 of the notes... imagine if any of this happened here...

^4 The producers decided that only Adriana, Kiran, Leone, Sofia and Valeria could be nominated that week. Armando, Martina and Vito were immune as they were new housemates.
^5 The producers decided that only Adriana, Kiran, Sofia and Vito could be nominated that week.
^6 The producers decided that only Adriana, Gaia, Kiran and Leone could be nominated that week.
^7 The producers decided that only Adriana, Amedeo, Kiran and Vito could be nominated that week.
^8 The producers decided that only Amedeo, Chiara, Kiran, Martina and Vito could be nominated that week. Ilenia was the favoutire housemate of the public and she could save one of the nominees. She saved Martina.
^9 The producers decided that only Amedeo, Armando, Caterina, Franco and Vito could be nominated that week. Ilenia was the favoutire housemate of the public and she gave immunity to Rudolf.
^10 The next 6 housemates received immunity for a month. Floriana and Rudolf were immune because of the housemates. The public gave immunity to Gaia and Ilenia. The producers gave immunity to Enrica and Fabrizio.

Major meltdowns :shocked: BBUK is actually the least manipulated, BB France is manipulated to and doesn't have a Live Feed also, Spain DOES have a feed but is also as manipulated.

BBUSA is the only series that has been unchanged since its 2nd season (as its first was exactly like BBUK with public vote).

What is your point though? The show that was a success in this country was not as heavily manipulated as other series but is becoming more so... And as it does, it's putting viewers off.

[Jamesy]

That's nice. But this is BB UK... A show where there was at least, until this series, some sense the public had a say.

Remember that show that got viewing figures of over 5 million? The one that was destroyed by desperate stunt after desperate stunt (BB8) and never recovered? They're still doing it, only now it's even worse. They've lost the plot.
And people are defending it. :laugh:

Well, you get the viewers you deserve.

Stop watching if you think the show is so dead then. :bored:

[Yaki da]

Stop watching if you think the show is so dead then. :bored:

I am. But seeing as this is an interactive show, I'm going to voice my opinion on it as I do.

[Jamesy]

Haha, I think you're just trolling to annoy people anyway so whatever. Enjoy moaning eternally.

[*mazedsalv**]

What is your point though? The show that was a success in this country was not as heavily manipulated as other series but is becoming more so... And as it does, it's putting viewers off.

Well neither was the start of any international series, what my point is that along the last 14 years, BBUK has changed LESS than other international series.

[Yaki da]

Haha, I think you're just trolling to annoy people anyway so whatever. Enjoy moaning eternally.

Yes, you're right. The show is brilliant. BB had to move on and it has moved on to become a masterpiece of television production.

[Achilles]

Well neither was the start of any international series, what my point is that along the last 14 years, BBUK has changed LESS than other international series.

There is a MASSIVE difference between this series and BB1.

[Yaki da]

Well neither was the start of any international series, what my point is that along the last 14 years, BBUK has changed LESS than other international series.

And it has just experienced the most radical change it ever has had. And why? Because the producers have so monumentally f'd the show up, they have got desperate beyond belief.

They've taken this show to a dead end and have decided to bury it. And it is amazing to see people defending what must be one of the most shambolic production teams ever.

[TheElusiveChanteuse]

The point the OP is making is that clearly is could be worse and more manipulated than it already is. But as this thread proves, some people will moan about anything.

[Yaki da]

The point the OP is making is that clearly is could be worse and more manipulated than it already is. But as this thread proves, some people will moan about anything.

The point we are making is that this show was a success based on a certain format that they have been moving away from for years and rather than get back to what made it a sucess, they are just taking more power from the viewers and manipulating it further and further.

What does it matter that other series are even worse? These shows would never have got anywhere with that format in this country.

[*mazedsalv**]

The point the OP is making is that clearly is could be worse and more manipulated than it already is. But as this thread proves, some people will moan about anything.

Thank you! :dance:

[Johnnyuk123]

If they want to manipulate and create a show to their own liking that is fine, but they should make it clear to the public that is what they are doing. They don't and that's the issue. Then if the public are fully aware there is nothing underhand going on.

Agreed! and that's also why there is no live feed cos they need to keep the public in the dark at all costs so the can continue to manipulate the show.

[joeysteele]

The point is,if we wanted to watch BB Italy or elsewhere then if we could we would, however this is BBUK, there have been certain elements that have stayed intact in the main all through it's time.

If they are going to change the format and follow other BB's elsewhere,that is fine but say so and list what any new real format may be in the future.people can then decide if they wish to continue watching BBUK in that knowledge or not.
That could however likely alienate staunch BB fans who have stuck with BB all through and its move to Channel 5 too.

Where it will get more viewers, if it really starts to lose those who are diehard supporters of it, from is anyones guess, if ratings fall much more.

If that scenario comes into play then it won't matter what other BB's around the world it may be like or be totally different from,it will not find any more success and is likely to fall even further.
That would be really sad to witness but I myself cannot take to this series,the messing about with the noms and evictions for me is a step too far.

[Marsh.]

Channel 5 could never announce a new format, they change it every week. :laugh:

[TheElusiveChanteuse]

The point we are making is that this show was a success based on a certain format that they have been moving away from for years and rather than get back to what made it a sucess, they are just taking more power from the viewers and manipulating it further and further.

What does it matter that other series are even worse? These shows would never have got anywhere with that format in this country.

I don't think anyone is misunderstanding what you're saying, or trying to say you're wrong. Your point is irrelevant because this thread isn't about how BBUK got successful or why it isn't successful anymore, it's an 'it could be worse' thread and showing that the show isn't as manipulated as it could be. Nobody is saying it isn't manipulated, and the OP isn't saying the show is still at it's peak quality-wise or anything like that. :shrug:

[Yaki da]

I don't think anyone is misunderstanding what you're saying, or trying to say you're wrong. Your point is irrelevant because this thread isn't about how BBUK got successful or why it isn't successful anymore, it's an 'it could be worse' thread and showing that the show isn't as manipulated as it could be. Nobody is saying it isn't manipulated, and the OP isn't saying the show is still at it's peak quality-wise or anything like that. :shrug:

It's clearly a thread trying to defend the show. But if you can only defend something by saying "It could be worse..." then the show is rotting anyway.

[TheElusiveChanteuse]

It's clearly a thread trying to defend the show. But if you can only defend something by saying "It could be worse..." then the show is rotting anyway.

Now you're just putting words in his mouth. All the OP did was post a thread about another heavily-manipulated version of the show and say that compared to other versions, the UK version hasn't changed as much - which is true. He didn't say it hasn't changed at all and he didn't go into the quality of the show like you are. He's simply talking about levels of manipulation. Yes it's manipulated, but be thankful it's not become as manipulated as other versions.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong in what you're saying but it has nothing to do with this thread.

[Achilles]

Now you're just putting words in his mouth. All the OP did was post a thread about another heavily-manipulated version of the show and say that compared to other versions, the UK version hasn't changed as much - which is true. He didn't say it hasn't changed at all and he didn't go into the quality of the show like you are. He's simply talking about levels of manipulation. Yes it's manipulated, but be thankful it's not become as manipulated as other versions.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong in what you're saying but it has nothing to do with this thread.

Why is there no live feed and cartoon characters for housemates instead of having live feed and real people as housemates? That is a MASSIVE difference. The whole format is completely different.

[Marsh.]

I think the decline in BBUK viewership is less about twists and manipulation and more about the selection of housemates dragging the show down and a show naturally losing viewers over such a long time.

I think only soaps retain large viewing numbers after such a long life.

[Yaki da]

All the OP did was post a thread about another heavily-manipulated version of the show and say that compared to other versions, the UK version hasn't changed as much - which is true. He didn't say it hasn't changed at all and he didn't go into the quality of the show like you are. He's simply talking about levels of manipulation. Yes it's manipulated, but be thankful it's not become as manipulated as other versions.

The change has been a radical one though. And it wouldn't surprise me if that Save Ashleigh campaign and the petition had something to do with it. They're clearly coming up with ways to annoy viewers here, which is perhaps the most fascinating thing about this show now.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong in what you're saying but it has nothing to do with this thread.

I think it is. The OP knows that there is a general consensus emerging (despite a few contrarians) that this is beyond ridiculous, and is just trying to inform us that it's even more ridiculous in other countries. Fair enough if it is, but to make these sort of radical changes whilst the show is on and to do so with the intent to get certain results (They knew Marlon was out and they wanted it) is verging on fraudulent imo.

[Calderyon]

Valentina being nominated for eviction against herself. :laugh:

Producers giving immunities, immunities being handed every week by everyone for what ever reasons and some of them being 3-4 weeks of lenght and the fact that you told that they can see their family every week and see what the public/press think of them etc.
Also Sabrina who arrived at week 12 winning over Gaia, who seems to be the only first day housemate and spending all 161 days in the house, not cool.

What an absolute mess of a series.

[Chuckyegg]

this show on channel 5 is called big brother but it no longer resembles the shows I watched over the years. its a weird self serving media bubble made by media types and starring their mates. Ordinary viewers are no longer invited to come and be a housemate. next year the housemates will be all zzzzlist celebs wearing Pepsi and Wonga t shirts.

[Samm]

IMO are Series is hardly manipulated, people just don't like the change in voting

[*mazedsalv**]

Valentina being nominated for eviction against herself. :laugh:

Producers giving immunities, immunities being handed every week by everyone for what ever reasons and some of them being 3-4 weeks of lenght and the fact that you told that they can see their family every week and see what the public/press think of them etc.
Also Sabrina who arrived at week 12 winning over Gaia, who seems to be the only first day housemate and spending all 161 days in the house, not cool.

What an absolute mess of a series.

To be fair, I wanted Sabrina to win, her win is exactly like if one of last nights HMs wins (as Sabrina also entered mid way through). But Gaia was my 2nd fave so very happy that after shedloads of HMs, that my Top 2 were the Top 2. Illaria being fave for so long damaged her popularity, she was immune for pretty much the entire series, first time she was up, she was evicted :joker: