Any Ashleigh fans hoping she gets evicted on Friday?

[Yaki da]

Top of every popularity poll. By some distance on many of them. She would have gone out on top. The uncrowned winner they had to manipulate the show around to stop.

[mooo]

No. #SaveAshleigh

[Mystic Mock]

I honestly think Ashleigh isn't going to win the show anyway as with the general public Mark will be the most popular.

[rusticgal]

I would be gutted...but it's out of our hands.

[Creggle]

What? No. :s

[mooo]

We still have hope, guys? </3

[Braden]

I definitely don't want to see her go, especially since it's down to three newbies. It's kind of a **** way to be evicted.

[Pete.]

any fans hoping she goes? http://i.imgur.com/K9C1M1e.jpg

[Josy]

The uncrowned winner? :laugh: Pauline topped the popularity polls does that mean she is the uncrowned winner too?

Also weren't you saying in lots of threads the past few days that as a fan of Ashleigh you paid money voting for Jale to keep Ashleigh in and were extremely pissed off at the producers because there was a chance she could be out?

Have you completely changed your mind about all that now then?

[reece(:]

The uncrowned winner? :laugh: Pauline topped the popularity polls does that mean she is the uncrowned winner too?


Yes.

[Miranda123]

Top of every popularity poll. By some distance on many of them. She would have gone out on top. The uncrowned winner they had to manipulate the show around to stop.

Look I dont want these newbies to evict anyone but stop reaching, you'll hurt your arms

[Josy]

Yes.

:facepalm:

[Miranda123]

The uncrowned winner? :laugh: Pauline topped the popularity polls does that mean she is the uncrowned winner too?

Also weren't you saying in lots of threads the past few days that as a fan of Ashleigh you paid money voting for Jale to keep Ashleigh in and were extremely pissed off at the producers because there was a chance she could be out?

Have you completely changed your mind about all that now then?

yeah there is no consistency with Ashleigh fans Josy, if she were that loved, she wouldnt be in danger at all would she

If the newbies kick her out, it will be because she keeps saying she wants to go, ungratefulness if never rewarded in BB

[Mystic Mock]

We need to keep her in though for the dynamic with Helen.

[Miranda123]

We still have hope, guys? </3

I would love Steven or Mark to get kicked out..............

[Miranda123]

We need to keep her in though for the dynamic with Helen.

I think helen has gone back to not knowing Ashleigh is even there lol

[Yaki da]

The uncrowned winner? :laugh: Pauline topped the popularity polls does that mean she is the uncrowned winner too?

In the first week. When anyone can top the polls. Ashleigh has been topping them for the last 2 or 3 weeks.

Also weren't you saying in lots of threads the past few days that as a fan of Ashleigh you paid money voting for Jale to keep Ashleigh in and were extremely pissed off at the producers because there was a chance she could be out?

Have you completely changed your mind about all that now then?

Well yes, you see, they've so utterly rigged the show now, what's the point? There was a part of me that wouldn't have minded seeing her go on Monday. The very idea the person who is topping every popularity poll going out because they've decided the voters no longer count would be par for the course this series.

But you keep on defending this crap. TIBB will be the last site standing soon enough. BB Spy must be fed up with it all after launching that petition. Total Big Brother's gone.

[MeMyselfAndI]

The uncrowned winner? :laugh: Pauline topped the popularity polls does that mean she is the uncrowned winner too?

Also weren't you saying in lots of threads the past few days that as a fan of Ashleigh you paid money voting for Jale to keep Ashleigh in and were extremely pissed off at the producers because there was a chance she could be out?

Have you completely changed your mind about all that now then?

Pauline was not topping polls in week 2 after Tamara left :conf: :conf: :conf:

If it was vote to win now, Ashleigh would place in the top 3, with Mark in first & Chris likely in second, so if she is evicted people could argue that she was likely to win

[Miranda123]

Top of every popularity poll. By some distance on many of them. She would have gone out on top. The uncrowned winner they had to manipulate the show around to stop.

She would never win so how could she go out on top??

Tellymix polls ? forum polls ?

Dont win you the show!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yaki da]

yeah there is no consistency

The lack of consistency is with the show. Not the viewers.


If the newbies kick her out, it will be because she keeps saying she wants to go, ungratefulness if never rewarded in BB

Yeah, and what do you know... Big Brother gave the newbies the power to do that knowing she says things like that. Just like they decided whoever got the most nominations would go knowing full well it would be Marlon.

Do you enjoy watching a show that rigged?

[Miranda123]

Pauline was not topping polls in week 2 after Tamara left :conf: :conf: :conf:

If it was vote to win now, Ashleigh would place in the top 3, with Mark in first & Chris likely in second, so if she is evicted people could argue that she was likely to win

NO

[Yaki da]

She would never win so how could she go out on top??

Tellymix polls ? forum polls ?

Dont win you the show!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aaron topped all of them. Deana, Adam and Luke A all topped different ones. Gina and Dexter topped most of them before Sam emerged late on in the series.

Anyone topping the polls at this point has always invariably done well and often gone on to win.

[Miranda123]

The lack of consistency is with the show. Not the viewers.



Yeah, and what do you know... Big Brother gave the newbies the power to do that knowing she says things like that. Just like they decided whoever got the most nominations would go knowing full well it would be Marlon.

Do you enjoy watching a show that rigged?

Listen, I wanted marlon to stay, but BB can do whatever they want

And when you have a person saying they want to go, then all the people who would have liked to have gone in, and maybe even auditioned are rightly peeved

I dont want these new idiots to be able to evict anyone but please stop saying Ashleigh is a winner

She has never had a chance in HELL!

[MeMyselfAndI]

NO

What do you mean NO? Ashleigh is very popular, and is one of the public's favorites, hence why Jale went whos barely done anything wrong....

[Miranda123]

Aaron topped all of them. Deana, Adam and Luke A all topped different ones. Gina and Dexter topped most of them before Sam emerged late on in the series.

Anyone topping the polls at this point has always invariably done well and often gone on to win.

Of the people you mentioned, only 2 actually won, so not really getting your point................

[Yaki da]

Listen, I wanted marlon to stay, but BB can do whatever they want

If people just let them they can. But you know what, they got in trouble when they did what they did with Nikki...

And when you have a person saying they want to go, then all the people who would have liked to have gone in, and maybe even auditioned are rightly peeved

Come off it. Part of the reason she wants to go is why so people want to switch off... helen's free pass to the final.

I dont want these new idiots to be able to evict anyone but please stop saying Ashleigh is a winner

She has never had a chance in HELL!

Anyone who is topping every popularity poll out there by the distance she is had a very good chance. That is the simple and obvious truth.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Tellymix is the most accurate poll, it's got every eviction right basically [bar Ash v Matthew], but all of BB13 & BB14 was right including the final's, with Luke A & Sam winning [Despite other forums all having Deana, and Dexter/Gina as winning]

Ashleigh - 28%
Chris - 23%
Mark - 16%
Winston - 8%

The top 3 is a certainty if it was vote to win right now...

[Yaki da]

Of the people you mentioned, only 2 actually won, so not really getting your point................

The winner of each series was mentioned there, so how do you come to the view that only 2 won? Every one I mentioned was either the winner or top 3.

[Marsh.]

The uncrowned winner? :laugh: Pauline topped the popularity polls does that mean she is the uncrowned winner too?

Also weren't you saying in lots of threads the past few days that as a fan of Ashleigh you paid money voting for Jale to keep Ashleigh in and were extremely pissed off at the producers because there was a chance she could be out?

Have you completely changed your mind about all that now then?

:clap1:

[MeMyselfAndI]

:clap1:

Why are you clapping an incorrect post? Pauline was not winning all the polls :shrug:

[Josy]

In the first week. When anyone can top the polls. Ashleigh has been topping them for the last 2 or 3 weeks.



Well yes, you see, they've so utterly rigged the show now, what's the point? There was a part of me that wouldn't have minded seeing her go on Monday. The very idea the person who is topping every popularity poll going out because they've decided the voters no longer count would be par for the course this series.

But you keep on defending this crap. TIBB will be the last site standing soon enough. BB Spy must be fed up with it all after launching that petition. Total Big Brother's gone.

Who cares if she is topping the popularity poll, the forums and fan sites are not the voice of the majority of the voters, that much is clear with the way the evictions have been going since the beginning..

The fact is you were trying make a point the other day because you and others had voted tactically to keep Ashleigh in now you say you would be happy with her gone, that is a completely hypocritical way of looking at things.

I don't disagree with you that the public not having a say in two evictions is pathetic but that's nothing at all to do with Ashleigh and you going round saying they are manipulating the show to stop her from staying/winner whatever is getting tedious.

There is no reason for them to care enough about Ashleigh or any other housemate for that matter to come up with these massive twists to suit an agenda.

The reason I defend them and say it isn't rigged/fixed/whatever is because they gave us the info in advance, everyone was informed last week there would be an eviction and that the public wouldn't vote, with vote to evict they are well within their rights to do that, we were told there would be new housemates but nope that wasn't good enough, people started going on about a secret house and the producers deciding on whether to use it or not depending on who was evicted blah blah blah, it was all bull****, there was always going to be an immediate eviction, no secret house and 3 newbies it's as simple as that.

[Josy]

Why are you clapping an incorrect post? Pauline was not winning all the polls :shrug:

I was talking about TiBB.

[Kazanne]

We need to keep her in though for the dynamic with Helen.

There wont be any Mock,it would have happened before now if it was going to happen.

[MeMyselfAndI]

oh, I'm talking about the public & in general, where Ashleigh would easily place in the top 3

I found BBspy week 2 poll [Can't find tellymix's], but that is the next accurate

Jale 34.5%
Kimberly 17.6%
Chris 13.4%
Christopher 9.1%
Toya 3.6%
Ashleigh 3.4%
Matthew 3.0%
Mark 2.9%
Danielle 2.7%
Helen 2.5%
Ash 2.4%
Winston 2.3%
Marlon 1.1%
Pauline 0.8%
Steven 0.6%

I don't think she would have been in the top 5 in the TiBB main poll either tbh........ Think thats an overexaggeration

[MeMyselfAndI]

At least if she goes we can claim she would have easily won I supose, considering how she is one of the public's choice if you check all social media/all big brother polls/youtube comments

[Josy]

Um anyone that goes you could claim they could have won, doesn't make it true but if it makes you feel better go right ahead.

[MeMyselfAndI]

TiBB Poll, Josy :suspect:

Week 2 - favorite housemate

Jale 24.3%
Chris 22.0%
Kimberly 15.2%
Christopher 10.2%
Winston 5.4%
Mathew 4.2%
Mark 2.9%
Ashleigh 2.6%
Danielle 2.6%
Toya 2.2%
Helen 2.0%
Ash 1.9%
Marlon 1.7%
Pauline 1.6%
Steven 1.3%

[Yaki da]

Who cares if she is topping the popularity poll, the forums and fan sites are not the voice of the majority of the voters, that much is clear with the way the evictions have been going since the beginning..

Really? The only eviction Tellymix called wrong was Matthew/Ash. And as has been pointed out the people who have topped the polls in the latter half of their series have included Aaron, Deana, Adam, Luke A, Gina, Dexter and Sam. Every one of those names finished top 3 or won.

The fact is you were trying make a point the other day because you and others had voted tactically to keep Ashleigh in now you say you would be happy with her gone, that is a completely hypocritical way of looking at things.

It's not hypocritical at all. On a show that is now so heavily manipulated it would almost be the best thing for the person you're supporting to go out that way.


I don't disagree with you that the public not having a say in two evictions is pathetic but that's nothing at all to do with Ashleigh and you going round saying they are manipulating the show to stop her from staying/winner whatever is getting tedious.

So do you honestly think they didn't make the decision to do what they did on Monday knowing full well what the result was going to be? DO you seriously believe they are not pulling these stunts with certain outcomes in their mind? You're a very naive person if you do.

There is no reason for them to care enough about Ashleigh or any other housemate for that matter to come up with these massive twists to suit an agenda.

The reason I defend them and say it isn't rigged/fixed/whatever is because they gave us the info in advance.

They didn't confirm anything until the very last moment. They even didn't do the nominations live in case it didn't work out the way they were expecting.

I find it hilarious that the viewers of this show are so easily taken in by them.

[Josy]

TiBB Poll, Josy :suspect:

Jale 24.3%
Chris 22.0%
Kimberly 15.2%
Christopher 10.2%
Winston 5.4%
Mathew 4.2%
Mark 2.9%
Ashleigh 2.6%
Danielle 2.6%
Toya 2.2%
Helen 2.0%
Ash 1.9%
Marlon 1.7%
Pauline 1.6%
Steven 1.3%

What even is that? and what are you referring to?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Um anyone that goes you could claim they could have won, doesn't make it true but if it makes you feel better go right ahead.

well nope, as the public have no say, so a very popular housemate is likely to be evicted, and I wouldn't claim that if Danielle went [my favorite]

but the 4 frontrunners are atm, by fact:
Mark, Ashleigh, Chris & Winston

and if any of them are evicted this Friday, ALL had a very good chance of winning, just basic thoughts/logic

[Yaki da]

Um anyone that goes you could claim they could have won, doesn't make it true but if it makes you feel better go right ahead.

Yes you could, but what I'm saying is that a person who is topping every popularity poll is likely to go because of a twist the producers knew would have a strong chance of leading to that result. Just like they knew nominations would probably lead to Marlon being evicted (though they kept their options open just in case)

Can you really not see what they're doing?

[MeMyselfAndI]

What even is that? and what are you referring to?

The main thisisbigbrother poll on the front page on week 2, the week she was evicted, you claimed she was topping the thisisbigbrother poll's, she was not. [I don't refer to poxy polls on the forum with like 10 votes]

[Marsh.]

Why are you clapping an incorrect post? Pauline was not winning all the polls :shrug:

It's not incorrect. Pauline was most popular and favourite to win in week 1. Week 2 saw all of that fall off a cliff. So Josy's post was correct, "current" popularity means nothing in terms of winning. We're only halfway, anything can happen within 1 week never mind 5.

[Josy]

Really? The only eviction Tellymix called wrong was Matthew/Ash. And as has been pointed out the people who have topped the polls in the latter half of their series have included Aaron, Deana, Adam, Luke A, Gina, Dexter and Sam. Every one of those names finished top 3 or won.



It's not hypocritical at all. It's fans of a person on a show that is now so heavily manipulated it would almost be the best thing for the person you're supporting to go out that way.




So do you honestly think they didn't make the decision to do what they did on Monday knowing full well what the result was going to be? DO you seriously believe they are not pulling these stunts with certain outcomes in their mind? You're a very naive person if you do.



They didn't confirm anything until the very last moment. They even didn't do the nominations live in case it didn't work out the way they were expecting.

I find it hilarious that the viewers of this show are so easily taken in by them.

No I don't believe they made the decision of what to do on Monday because we had been sent information, confirmed information before that not really sure what you aren't getting there tbh. And I'm not naive.

Can you not understand how your point about noms isnt making any sense? they done the noms before hand because they had no time, regardless of whether they were face to face or not it was going to be the same outcome :shrug:

My point still stands that you saying they are manipulating this show around Ashleigh to stop her from winning is absolutely ridiculous.

[Josy]

The main thisisbigbrother poll on the front page on week 2, the week she was evicted, you claimed she was topping the thisisbigbrother poll's, she was not. [I don't refer to poxy polls on the forum with like 10 votes]

I never claimed Pauline was topping anything on the week she was evicted, maybe you need to read my posts again.

IIRC Pauline topped the favourite poll and the profile favourites on the first week of the show.

[Marsh.]

What exactly do the producers benefit from manipulating the show to prevent Ashleigh from winning?

She was nothing but wallpaper for 3 weeks so your presumptions that she could win in another 5 weeks is laughable.

[Yaki da]

No I don't believe they made the decision of what to do on Monday because we had been sent information, confirmed information before that not really sure what you aren't getting there tbh. And I'm not naive.

They knew Marlon was going to get the most nominations ever since he pressed the button! FFS.

Can you not understand how your point about noms isnt making any sense? they done the noms before hand because they had no time, regardless of whether they were face to face or not it was going to be the same outcome :shrug:

Maybe, but it doesn't change the fact that the decision to do it was made when they knew full well Marlon was the one most likely to get them.

My point still stands that you saying they are manipulating this show around Ashleigh to stop her from winning is absolutely ridiculous.

Really? So they send in 3 new housemates, giventhem the power to evict whoever they want, when there's a girl in there who keeps saying she wants to go? You don't see where that's likely to lead? :laugh:

[Josy]

What exactly do the producers benefit from manipulating the show to prevent Ashleigh from winning?

She was nothing but wallpaper for 3 weeks so your presumptions that she could win in another 5 weeks is laughable.

I have been asking that too :shrug:

To say the producers are manipulating the entire show around her to prevent her from staying or winning is one of the most ridiculous things I have read.

I actually can't believe people truly think that :joker:

[Yaki da]

What exactly do the producers benefit from manipulating the show to prevent Ashleigh from winning?

Well I don't know... Given that there was a petition to stop them from doing this sort of thing with evictions/the public vote and they've instead decided to do it twice, maybe they just get a kick out of rubbing the fans noses in it.

[Marsh.]

Well I don't know...

:joker:

See, you're crying about conspiracy theories that you can't even justify.

[Josy]

They knew Marlon was going to get the most nominations ever since he pressed the button! FFS.



Maybe, but it doesn't change the fact that the decision to do it was made when they knew full well Marlon was the one most likely to get them.



Really? So they send in 3 new housemates, giventhem the power to evict whoever they want, when there's a girl in there who keeps saying she wants to go? You don't see where that's likely to lead? :laugh:

You are making no sense, everyone knew Marlon would go what does that have to do with anything? how does that make your claim about Ashleigh and the show being manipulated any more valid? please explain?

You are concentrating on Ashleigh too much there are plenty of other housemates in there and at this point none of us have a clue who they will evict, it's **** for whoever they do choose but that doesn't mean it's manipulated.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I never claimed Pauline was topping anything on the week she was evicted, maybe you need to read my posts again.

IIRC Pauline topped the favourite poll and the profile favourites on the first week of the show.

well how bizzaree, I'd assume when you mentioned she was topping all the polls according to TiBB & so should she be seen as a 'uncrowned winner', I assumed you were mentioning her popularity at the time/week she was evicted, like we are all for Ashleigh.

It's like the equivalent of people replying "Ashleigh is not popular, look at the week 2 poll', just random

And here's the poll if anyone else wants to see it, Pauline was not topping any polls on TiBB the week she was evicted

http://i58.tinypic.com/23hn829.png

[Yaki da]

I have been asking that too :shrug:

To say the producers are manipulating the entire show around her to prevent her from staying or winning is one of the most ridiculous things I have read.

I actually can't believe people truly think that :joker:

Well you tell me what they had in mind giving 3 new housemates the power to evict when they know full well there's one person in there who will tell them she wants to go?

[Marsh.]

Well you tell me what they had in mind giving 3 new housemates the power to evict when they know full well there's one person in there who will tell them she wants to go?

THE HOUSEMATES DON'T KNOW THE NEWBIES ARE EVICTING THEM!!!!

We don't even know if they'll be able to converse, they may be in the diary room and watched on the plasma.

They're having instant evictions because they're striving for something new that the show has never done before.

[Josy]

Well you tell me what they had in mind giving 3 new housemates the power to evict when they know full well there's one person in there who will tell them she wants to go?

Its Armageddon week, they have to provide as much shocks as possible to the housemates and to the viewers, it has nothing to do with Ashleigh saying she wants to go, she seems happy enough in there atm.

[Marsh.]

well how bizzaree, I'd assume when you mentioned she was topping all the polls according to TiBB & so should she be seen as a 'uncrowned winner', I assumed you were mentioning her popularity at the time/week she was evicted, like we are all for Ashleigh.

:conf: Ashleigh hasn't been evicted so what are you talking about?

[Yaki da]

You are making no sense

Or you just struggle to comprehend.


everyone knew Marlon would go what does that have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with proving that they will and do manipulate the show to get certain people out. The decision to evict the person with the most noms was obviously, (to those of us with sense), done with Marlon in mind.


how does that make your claim about Ashleigh and the show being manipulated any more valid? please explain?

Because they know full well there's a strong chance she will be the one who gets evicted. There's little to no chance at all of it being Mark or Winston. And they know this.

You are concentrating on Ashleigh too much there are plenty of other housemates in there and at this point none of us have a clue who they will evict, it's **** for whoever they do choose but that doesn't mean it's manipulated.

Oh come on. You have to believe that these people don't think these things through and just leave everything to chance. Yes, it's possible that Danielle will get it, or Chris. But the most likely person, given that she has been saying she wants to leave, is obviously Ashleigh. There's even a video of them today pointing out that she wants to leave. Something a blind person could have seen coming.

[MeMyselfAndI]

:conf: Ashleigh hasn't been evicted so what are you talking about?

this thread is about Ashleigh possibly being evicted, and so the post was under the assumption if she was evicted, it's not that hard to understand, can you stop nitpicking my posts now.

[Marsh.]

this thread is about Ashleigh possibly being evicted, and so the post was under the assumption if she was evicted, it's not that hard to understand, can you stop nitpicking my posts now.

:conf: I'm not nitpicking anything. YOU responded to me because you were nitpicking something in Josy's post that I agreed with.

If you don't like to be quoted and discuss things then don't come on a forum. :shrug:

[MeMyselfAndI]

Me & others are just pointing out that Ashleigh is one of the most popular housemates in the house by the public vote, and so if she was voted out by a random trash housemate like Bianca, it's very likely that she would have went on to win the whole show, considering she has so much public support at the moment.

[Achilles]

I have been asking that too :shrug:

To say the producers are manipulating the entire show around her to prevent her from staying or winning is one of the most ridiculous things I have read.

I actually can't believe people truly think that :joker:

The reason would be that she is not supposed to win but there is a danger she might.

[MeMyselfAndI]

:conf: I'm not nitpicking anything. YOU responded to me because you were nitpicking something in Josy's post that I agreed with.

If you don't like to be quoted and discuss things then don't come on a forum. :shrug:

But josy's post was wrong, Pauline did not top the polls in the week she was evicted, she only topped launch night poll's, so i was wondering why you were clapping a clearly wrong post.

[Yaki da]

THE HOUSEMATES DON'T KNOW THE NEWBIES ARE EVICTING THEM!!!!

What the hell does that have to do with anything? The people making the show know that Ashleigh has been saying these things and have given the newbies the power to give her her wish, which the public will not do.

We don't even know if they'll be able to converse, they may be in the diary room and watched on the plasma.

They're having instant evictions because they're striving for something new that the show has never done before.

I just can't believe people are watching this show under the illusion that the producers don't have certain people they are happy to see go and perhaps even want to go (and therefore set things up for them to go) and certain people they will bend over backwards to make sure they don't lose. it's hilarious to me how naive some of you are.

[Marsh.]

But josy's post was wrong, Pauline did not top the polls in the week she was evicted, she only topped launch night poll's, so i was wondering why you were clapping a clearly wrong post.

Josy has already explained she never said that and it isn't what she meant so it wasn't wrong. You misunderstood what she was saying.

[Josy]

Or you just struggle to comprehend.




It has everything to do with proving that they will and do manipulate the show to get certain people out. The decision to evict the person with the most noms was obviously, (to those of us with sense), done with Marlon in mind.




Because they know full well there's a strong chance she will be the one who gets evicted. There's little to no chance at all of it being Mark or Winston. And they know this.



Oh come on. You have to believe that these people don't think these things through and just leave everything to chance. Yes, it's possible that Danielle will get it, or Chris. But the most likely person, given that she has been saying she wants to leave, is obviously Ashleigh. There's even a video of them today pointing out that she wants to leave. Something a blind person could have seen coming.

It wasn't done with Marlon in mind, it was done because it's the norm that the hm's with the most votes would face eviction by removing the public say it was obvious the person with the most noms was gone? what other way would you have expected them to work that out?

I don't believe for a minute that they have any reason to want Ashleigh evicted and you still haven't answered the question as to why they would want that anyway?

Well if they do choose Ashleigh because she wants to leave then how is that producers fault? if anything it's Ashleighs for saying she wants to go home..

[Achilles]

Why was Helen given the free pass? Was it because she struck up a lovely bond with Pauline after 5 minutes and just got lucky? Or was she supposed to get the free pass because she was integral to the show.

[Josy]

The reason would be that she is not supposed to win but there is a danger she might.

That's not a reason? what's the reason for her not being supposed to win then? :laugh:

[MeMyselfAndI]

Josy has already explained she never said that and it isn't what she meant so it wasn't wrong. You misunderstood what she was saying.

i just don't think Josy was referring to a launch night poll in saying Pauline was popular on TiBB & so is she the uncrowned winner, as that makes no sense to me. As everyone knows launch night poll's are essentially useless, i believe she was referring to different poll's, as when I posted the week 2 poll, the immediate reponse was "wheres that from? what?" or something like that, rather than replying with I meant the launch night poll's.

[Achilles]

That's not a reason? what's the reason for her not being supposed to win then? :laugh:

Why does Alan Ladd shoot Jack Palance at the end of Shane? :tongue:

[Marsh.]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? The people making the show know that Ashleigh has been saying these things and have given the newbies the power to give her her wish, which the public will not do.

A lot. You're suggesting Ashleigh will tell them to evict her, which she won't if she isn't aware what they have to do.

The people making the show know, so? What? They're going to tell the newbies to evict Ashleigh on that basis? Ok then.


I just can't believe people are watching this show under the illusion that the producers don't have certain people they are happy to see go and perhaps even want to go (and therefore set things up for them to go) and certain people they will bend over backwards to make sure they don't lose. it's hilarious to me how naive some of you are.

I'm not naive. I KNOW how manipulated the show can be to create drama and keep certain housemates in who are holding the show together (Charley BB8 as a huge example).

However, when you sit there ranting about how they're eager to evict Ashleigh AND CAN PROVIDE NO POSSIBLE REASON WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS then why should we take your word for it? That doesn't make us naive, that just means we don't believe every little batsh*t conspiracy theory when someone doesn't have things going their own way.

In another thread someone's saying Emma got Winston onto BB and is helping to keep him safe. Why is she doing that? Because he appeared on another show she presented last year which means they're best friends. :joker:

[Pete.]

i just don't think Josy was referring to a launch night poll in saying Pauline was popular on TiBB & so is she the uncrowned winner, as that makes no sense to me. As everyone knows launch night poll's are essentially useless, i believe she was referring to different poll's, as when I posted the week 2 poll, the immediate reponse was "wheres that from? what?" or something like that, rather than replying with I meant the launch night poll's.
she was referring to polls like BBSpy

[Josy]

Why was Helen given the free pass? Was it because she struck up a lovely bond with Pauline after 5 minutes and just got lucky? Or was she supposed to get the free pass because she was integral to the show.

She was one of the closest to Pauline after a day.

If you are going to say you think Helens free pass was set up then I'm done with this discussion...

[Yaki da]

It wasn't done with Marlon in mind

Hahahahahaha :laugh:


it was done because it's the norm that the hm's with the most votes would face eviction by removing the public say it was obvious the person with the most noms was gone? what other way would you have expected them to work that out?

Why did they choose to do that? They could have done anything. They chose to do something that would obviously lead to Marlon being out. They make these decisions with the results in mind. Do you honestly not see that?

I don't believe for a minute that they have any reason to want Ashleigh evicted and you still haven't answered the question as to why they would want that anyway?

Well if they do choose Ashleigh because she wants to leave then how is that producers fault? if anything it's Ashleighs for saying she wants to go home..

The producers know full well that Ashleigh has been asking to leave, something the public have shown they do not want to see by evicting Jale instead. Suddenly they give 3 new housemates the power to evict someone after there's already been complaints about taking away the public vote. These 3 housemates have already commented on Ashleigh saying she wants to leave and discussed if that should influence their decision on Friday. Now I saw that coming a bloody mile away and the production team would have seen that coming a mile away. Maybe you can't, but that's your problem

[Marsh.]

i just don't think Josy was referring to a launch night poll in saying Pauline was popular on TiBB & so is she the uncrowned winner, as that makes no sense to me. As everyone knows launch night poll's are essentially useless, i believe she was referring to different poll's, as when I posted the week 2 poll, the immediate reponse was "wheres that from? what?" or something like that, rather than replying with I meant the launch night poll's.

She was referring to the fact that Pauline was by far the most popular housemate for the first few days/week and then her popularity nosedived.

Meaning current popularity means nothing in terms of winning, unless it's the final week.

[MeMyselfAndI]

she was referring to polls like BBSpy

Pauline didn't top any of those poll's except launch night, she came second last on the BBspy for week 2, which is what I posted to disprove the post

[Pete.]

Pauline didn't top any of those poll's except launch night, she came second last on the BBspy for week 2, which is what I posted to disprove the post
I thought so :hehe:

[Josy]

Hahahahahaha :laugh:




Why did they choose to do that? They could have done anything. They chose to do something that would obviously lead to Marlon being out. They make these decisions with the results in mind. Do you honestly not see that?



The producers know full well that Ashleigh has been asking to leave, someone the public have shown they do not want to happen by evicting Jale instead. Suddenly they give 3 new housemates the power to evict someone after there's already been complaints about taking away the public vote. These 3 housemates have already commented on Ashleigh saying she wants to leave and discussed if that should influence their decision on Friday. Now I saw that coming a bloody mile away and the production team would have seen that coming a mile away. Maybe you can't, but that's your problem

Jeezo.

You are going round in circles now and I'm not wasting my time typing the same thing over and over.

Why do the producers of BB not want Ashleigh to win? Why do they want her evicted from the show?

Also lets go with your idea for a minute, the producers set Marlon up and now he is out what is their reason for that?

[MeMyselfAndI]

She was referring to the fact that Pauline was by far the most popular housemate for the first few days/week and then her popularity nosedived.

Meaning current popularity means nothing in terms of winning, unless it's the final week.

Disagree

Brian
Kate
Nadia
Pete
Brian Belo
Sophie
Josie
Aaron

say otherwise, all popular & fan favorites since the beginning/early [before halfway] [Don't know anything about BB1 & BB4 as well, so likely more than half the winners have been popular since the beginning so it does matter]

[Bluerang1]

She was one of the closest to Pauline after a day.

If you are going to say you think Helens free pass was set up then I'm done with this discussion...

Oh course it's not set up. It's not like the producers didn't want a success story of a hated prostitute turning into the UK's sweetheart.http://i.imgur.com/NMyq8Uz.png

It's backfired tho.

[Samm]

MMI in this thread :clap1:

I don't think Ashleigh will be going Biannca likes Ashleigh and hates Helen, the only new HM who doesn't like her is Pav

[MeMyselfAndI]

MMI in this thread :clap1:

I don't think Ashleigh will be going Biannca likes Ashleigh and hates Helen, the only new HM who doesn't like her is Pav

Bianca said she dislikes Danielle & Ashleigh the most this morning [It's on the youtube channel & c5 website /:]

[Josy]

MMI in this thread :clap1:

I don't think Ashleigh will be going Biannca likes Ashleigh and hates Helen, the only new HM who doesn't like her is Pav

Why are you clapping someone that has completely confused themselves by what I posted, it's been explained to Jack what I meant with my first post and yet 4 pages later he is still going on about it.

[Yaki da]

Jeezo.

You are going round in circles now and I'm not wasting my time typing the same thing over and over.

Why do the producers of BB not want Ashleigh to win? Why do they want her evicted from the show?

How would I know. But they've set the situation up so that she is the most vulnerable person to go on Friday. Just like they set the situation up that Marlon was almost certainly out on Monday. They didn't have to do that.... But they did. They chose to.

You seem to actually believe that the producers of the show don't think what the possible outcomes of these decisions they make will be. And I find that incredible.

[Marsh.]

Disagree

Brian
Kate
Nadia
Pete
Brian Belo
Sophie
Josie
Aaron

say otherwise, all popular & fan favorites since the beginning/early [before halfway]

There's your clue "from the beginning" they are likeable people who stayed likeable.

People like Pauline and Ashleigh whose likability goes up and down quicker than Kim's knickers is not the same thing.

Guessing Brian Dowling had the win when he's favourite throughout the series is entirely different to someone whose popularity changes with the wind.

[Achilles]

She was one of the closest to Pauline after a day.

If you are going to say you think Helens free pass was set up then I'm done with this discussion...

100%

[Yaki da]

Why are you clapping someone that has completely confused themselves by what I posted,

Because you're the one confused?

[Marsh.]

How would I know. But they've set the situation up so that she is the most vulnerable person to go on Friday. Just like they set the situation up that Marlon was almost certainly out on Monday.

You seem to actually believe that the producers of the show don't think what the possible outcomes of these decisions they make will be. And I find that incredible.

So they've created a twist for Friday..... because Ashleigh said out loud she wants to leave..... for no other reason than they can?

And I have to believe this in order to not be naive? :think:

[Bluerang1]

Why are you clapping someone that has completely confused themselves by what I posted, it's been explained to Jack what I meant with my first post and yet 4 pages later he is still going on about it.

You seemed more confused about what was said regarding the polls. Everyone's going round in circles :spin:

[Josy]

How would I know. But they've set the situation up so that she is the most vulnerable person to go on Friday. Just like they set the situation up that Marlon was almost certainly out on Monday. They didn't have to do that.... But they did. They chose to.

You seem to actually believe that the producers of the show don't think what the possible outcomes of these decisions they make will be. And I find that incredible.

I edited my post above to ask this but then why did they want Marlon to go?

Yeah that second part I have read you say numerous times but I wont rise to it...I personally find it incredible you are coming up with all these conspiracies against the producers but you cannot answer the most important question which is why?

[Josy]

You seemed more confused about what was said regarding the polls. Everyone's going round in circles :spin:

I haven't been discussing the polls for 4 pages.

Have you got anything on topic you wish to add to this thread?

[Josy]

Because you're the one confused?

I'm not confused at all, I was having a discussion with you not MMI :shrug:

[Marsh.]

The producers decided to evict two housemates in one week WITHOUT PHONE VOTE PROFITS just to get rid of Ashleigh?

Yeah, they really are desperate to get rid. :laugh:

[MeMyselfAndI]

I haven't been discussing the polls for 4 pages.

Have you got anything on topic you wish to add to this thread?

Can you stop trying to say my posts are worthless, other people do agree with me, so you're not the only voice of reason, other people do have different theories/thoughts/opinions

[Bluerang1]

I haven't been discussing the polls for 4 pages.

Have you got anything on topic you wish to add to this thread?

Yes: As an Ashleigh fan I really don't care if she goes or nah

[Yaki da]

So they've created a twist for Friday..... because Ashleigh said out loud she wants to leave..... for no other reason than they can?

Could have created any twist they wanted to... They could have done the reverse of what they've done... All up vote to save, Steven goes, the others decide which 2 out of the 3 remain. But they did what they did, and they clearly think these things through and work out what the most likely outcomes are going to be.

And I have to believe this in order to not be naive? :think:

It's a simple enough point that seems to me to be an obvious truth. They come up with the twists with certain outcomes that they either want or don't mind in their heads. They came up with whoever gets the most nominations gets evicted knowing full well, like the rest of us, that Marlon was probably gone.

And if you don't understand this, then yes, you're naive.

[kistar]

Listen, I wanted marlon to stay, but BB can do whatever they want

And when you have a person saying they want to go, then all the people who would have liked to have gone in, and maybe even auditioned are rightly peeved

I dont want these new idiots to be able to evict anyone but please stop saying Ashleigh is a winner

She has never had a chance in HELL!

Oh my God Miranda I actually agree with you! YAY! I wish she would stop saying she wants to go after spending a fortune on voting Jale out last week I really could do without it tbh.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I'm not confused at all, I was having a discussion with you not MMI :shrug:

This is an open forum, not a private one, everyone is allowed to post & have their own thoughts/opinions, I'm getting tired of mine being sweeped under the rug again.

[Achilles]

I edited my post above to ask this but then why did they want Marlon to go?

Yeah that second part I have read you say numerous times but I wont rise to it...I personally find it incredible you are coming up with all these conspiracies against the producers but you cannot answer the most important question which is why?

I think the reason Marlon pressed the button was so that Ashleigh would be evicted. It didn't work though because of Ashleigh's fanbase.

New plan to ensure she is evicted. Give the 3 new housemates the power to evict without a public vote. Ashleigh is gone, nothing public can do about it.

Use Marlon as the test subject to soften the blow

[Josy]

Can you stop trying to say my posts are worthless, other people do agree with me, so you're not the only voice of reason, other people do have different theories/thoughts/opinions

I never said your posts were worthless, what an odd assumption to come up with.

[Josy]

This is an open forum, not a private one, everyone is allowed to post & have their own thoughts/opinions, I'm getting tired of mine being sweeped under the rug again.

Another strange post. Keep on topic please.

[Marsh.]

Could have created any twist they wanted to... They could have done the reverse of what they've done... All up vote to save, Steven goes, the others decide which 2 out of the 3 remain. But they did what they did, and they clearly think these things through and work out what the most likely outcomes are going to be.

It's a simple enough point that seems to me to be an obvious truth. They come up with the twists with certain outcomes that they either want or don't mind in their heads. They came up with whoever gets the most nominations gets evicted knowing full well, like the rest of us, that Marlon was probably gone.

And if you don't understand this, then yes, you're naive.

A simple point with an obvious truth...... which you can't even explain. :laugh: They seemingly are desperate to get her out that they'd give up phone vote profits, simply to annoy you. :shrug: Because the producers really give a sh*t.

So when someone other than Ashleigh is evicted on Friday will your story change?

You should write novels.

[Josy]

I think the reason Marlon pressed the button was so that Ashleigh would be evicted. It didn't work though because of Ashleigh's fanbase.

New plan to ensure she is evicted. Give the 3 new housemates the power to evict without a public vote. Ashleigh is gone, nothing public can do about it.

Use Marlon as the test subject to soften the blow

Why though?

[Yaki da]

I edited my post above to ask this but then why did they want Marlon to go?

The moment they decided to evict whoever had the most nominations knowing full well it was going to be Marlon. As those of us just watching a HL show knew it would be. And they having 24/7 access knew it would be with even greater confidence.

Yeah that second part I have read you say numerous times but I wont rise to it...I personally find it incredible you are coming up with all these conspiracies against the producers but you cannot answer the most important question which is why?

I don't need to answer why. I can't read their minds. There are twists that they will think through and go with depending on what the likely results are. That is just obvious.

They knew Makosi would get more votes than Vanessa... So rather than have the person with the most votes go and take out the biggest character left in the show, they decided the top two would face a HM vote knowing Vanessa would leave.

That's how the show works when they do things like this. Everything is thought out.

[Marsh.]

I think the reason Marlon pressed the button was so that Ashleigh would be evicted. It didn't work though because of Ashleigh's fanbase.

New plan to ensure she is evicted. Give the 3 new housemates the power to evict without a public vote. Ashleigh is gone, nothing public can do about it.

Use Marlon as the test subject to soften the blow

So now Marlon was in on it? :joker:

[Josy]

The moment they decided to evict whoever had the most nominations knowing full well it was going to be Marlon.



I don't need to answer why. I can't read their minds. There are twists that they will think through and go with depending on what the likely results are. That is just obvious.

They knew Makosi would get more votes than Vanessa... So rather than have the person with the most votes go and take out the biggest character left in the show, they decided the top two would face a HM vote knowing Vanessa would leave.

That's how the show works when they do things like this. Everything is thought out.

Why would they want Marlon gone? you seem to be posting an awful lot of words but never answering any questions put to you about your theories.

[Marsh.]

They knew Makosi would get more votes than Vanessa... So rather than have the person with the most votes go and take out the biggest character left in the show, they decided the top two would face a HM vote knowing Vanessa would leave.

That's how the show works when they do things like this. Everything is thought out.

Except the details of the twist were announced BEFORE the housemates nominated that week of BB6 so the producers did not know who would nominate and who wouldn't.

Remember it was only the people who declined nominations that faced the public vote.

The producers are psychic now?

[Achilles]

Why though?

If the producers are creating a show, all the different players have their role to play. Kimberly and Steven have their roles, Helen has her role etc. Ashleigh's role was not to be the winner.

[Yaki da]

A simple point with an obvious truth...... which you can't even explain. :laugh: They seemingly are desperate to get her out that they'd give up phone vote profits, simply to annoy you. :shrug: Because the producers really give a sh*t.


What is it you want me to explain? Why Ashleigh? I have no idea. But the fact is every decision they make, they have thought through the most likely consequences of it.

So when someone other than Ashleigh is evicted on Friday will your story change?

No, because I've already said that they set it up so it could only be one of a couple. The most likely of which was Ashleigh.

The post that seems to have bugged a lot of you is just me pointing out the ridiculousness of the person topping every popularity poll being evicted by other HMs because they decided to go with this twist, knowing full well what the most likely result would be.

[Samm]

Bianca said she dislikes Danielle & Ashleigh the most this morning [It's on the youtube channel & c5 website /:]

oh -sobs-

[Josy]

If the producers are creating a show, all the different players have their role to play. Kimberly and Steven have their roles, Helen has her role etc. Ashleigh's role was not to be the winner.

So the housemates are all playing out roles? :joker:

[Creggle]

Bianca said she dislikes Danielle & Ashleigh the most this morning [It's on the youtube channel & c5 website /:]

She said she did not like Danielle and that Ashleigh seems to be unhappy in the house, doesn't mean she does not like her.

[Yaki da]

Except the details of the twist were announced BEFORE the housemates nominated that week of BB6 so the producers did not know who would nominate and who wouldn't.

That's wrong actually. They changed that twist at the very last moment before lines opened on BBLB so the top 2 would then face a housemate vote. They even waited to see who did nominate and who did not before deciding which ones would be up for eviction. That whole twist was designed to get boring Vanessa out and they kept making it up as they went along to make sure it was her.

Remember it was only the people who declined nominations that faced the public vote.

They didn't reveal that until after they saw who nominated and who didn't. I remember this very well.

The producers are psychic now?


See above. But keep on defending them. Your naivity is sweet

[Marsh.]

What is it you want me to explain? Why Ashleigh? I have no idea. But the fact is every decision they make, they have thought through the most likely consequences of it.

No, because I've already said that they set it up so it could only be one of a couple. The most likely of which was Ashleigh.

The post that seems to have bugged a lot of you is just me pointing out the ridiculousness of the person topping every popularity poll being evicted by other HMs because they decided to go with this twist, knowing full well what the most likely result would be.

No it isn't because a) I don't keep up with polls and b) we have no idea who will be evicted.

The part of your posts which baffle me (I'm not bugged at all) is the fact that the producers think through these twists so much so that they are sure who is probably going to be evicted...... for no reason anyone can fathom.

The reason is the most important element.

It's like accusing someone of murder and saying they did it because they had the opportunity. But without motive it's meaningless.

Producers don't do things for the hell of it, there has to be a reason.

[Marsh.]

See above. But keep on defending them. Your naivity is sweet

Defending who? I'm not defending anyone, I'm calling bullsh*t when I see it.

[Marsh.]

What is it you want me to explain? Why Ashleigh? I have no idea.

/thread

[Yaki da]

The part of your posts which baffle me (I'm not bugged at all) is the fact that the producers think through these twists so much so that they are sure who is probably going to be evicted...... for no reason anyone can fathom.

They certainly knew Marlon was going to be evicted. And we all know Ashleigh is in serious trouble this week because of and only because of this twist. If we know that, then the producers know that.


The reason is the most important element.

Because they have their show planned in their minds and know who they want to stick around and who they're happy to see go. It's not rocket science. They wanted Vanessa out over Makosi because Vanessa was dull and Makosi was the last of the bigger characters left.

[Achilles]

So the housemates are all playing out roles? :joker:

If you were creating a show with a showmance being one of the main storylines of the show, would you create a vanilla love story? Or, would you create a wacky and weird showmance with bonking, ex bf's and ex gf's, weird mothers, fingering, catchphrases and talking point after talking point after talking point?

[Yaki da]

Defending who? I'm not defending anyone, I'm calling bullsh*t when I see it.

You're not making a very good case defending them. do you honestly think they don't have what the consequences of the decisions they make are going to be in mind when they make them?

[Josy]

That's another point, I know for a fact there is manipulation goes on with the show, the way we are presented the highlights for example those clips are manipulated to make us think something else rather than what is actually happening a lot of the time but to say the producers are manipulating the entire show, coming up with big twists and so on to suit a preplanned agenda and affect one housemates without an actual reason for them doing it is just ridiculous.

It doesn't matter at all to the producers who wins this show.

[Yaki da]

That's another point, I know for a fact there is manipulation goes on with the show, the way we are presented the highlights for example those clips are manipulated to make us think something else rather than what is actually happening a lot of the time but to say the producers are manipulating the entire show, coming up with big twists and so on to suit a preplanned agenda and affect one housemates without an actual reason for them doing it is just ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is that you can't see it when it's staring you in the face.

[Marsh.]

Because they have their show planned in their minds and know who they want to stick around and who they're happy to see go. It's not rocket science. They wanted Vanessa out over Makosi because Vanessa was dull and Makosi was the last of the bigger characters left.

So instead of going with the actual nomination results they opted for a twist which would've seen Makosi evicted? Ok then.

[Marsh.]

What's ridiculous is that you can't see it when it's staring you in the face.

What's ridiculous is you have all these ideas but no glue to hold them together.

[Yaki da]

So instead of going with the actual nomination results they opted for a twist which would've seen Makosi evicted? Ok then.

Jesus Christ.

They didn't want Kemal, Craig or Anthony out that week. They wanted Vanessa

They saw that Craig, Anthony and Kemal nominated and told them that they were up when in reality it was the others Derek, Makosi, Vanessa, Ola and Science and Eugene. They then decided at the last moment to twist it again because they knew Makosi would get the most votes to go, so they made it so that th 2 with the most votes would face a housemate vote, knowing Makosi would be saved.

Every step of the way with that twist they waited to see what happened, who did what and then changed the details at the last moment to suit their agenda, which was to get Vanessa out.

They did something similar in BB8 with the half way house where they just kept putting people in and then out to make sure they didn't lose any major characters in that eviction. And they didn't. it was David and Shanessa who went.

[rusticgal]

Listen, I wanted marlon to stay, but BB can do whatever they want

And when you have a person saying they want to go, then all the people who would have liked to have gone in, and maybe even auditioned are rightly peeved

I dont want these new idiots to be able to evict anyone but please stop saying Ashleigh is a winner

She has never had a chance in HELL!


Ashleigh is a WINNER in our eyes and we can say it as much as we want...

[Josy]

What's ridiculous is that you can't see it when it's staring you in the face.

Just think for a minute then..

If what you say is true and they are trying to get Ashleigh evicted why not evict her last night?

She was standing up along with Ash and Marlon, they weren't showing the noms on screen to the hm's or us then why not go one step further and say Ashleigh had received the most nomination from the housemates?

I am trying to understand your reasoning for thinking they want Ashleigh out of the house tbh but you aren't giving any reason for it at all just the claim that the producers want that.

[Yaki da]

I would just add one thing... Zoe is friends with Dexter (who despises Danielle supposedly) and apparently Bianca even knows Danielle. And this Pav fella has said he dislikes Ashleigh.

So it was always likely to be Danielle or Ashleigh this week.

[Marsh.]

Jesus Christ.

They didn't want Kemal, Craig or Anthony out that week. They wanted Vanessa


Don't start swearing. Calm down, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

I didn't mean that. I meant the results of Kemal, Craig's and Anthony's nominations. Not putting Kemal, Craig and Anthony up for eviction. Is that clear enough for you?

[Marsh.]

I would just add one thing... Zoe is friends with Dexter (who despises Danielle supposedly) and apparently Bianca even knows Danielle. And this Pav fella has said he dislikes Ashleigh.

So it was always likely to be Danielle or Ashleigh this week.

So the housemates have been chosen based on their dislike of Ashleigh too?

[Yaki da]

Just think for a minute then..

If what you say is true and they are trying to get Ashleigh evicted why not evict her last night?

Because they wanted Marlon out.

She was standing up along with Ash and Marlon, they weren't showing the noms on screen to the hm's or us then why not go one step further and say Ashleigh had received the most nomination from the housemates?

They can't be that bloody fraudulent can they! :laugh:

I am trying to understand your reasoning for thinking they want Ashleigh out of the house tbh but you aren't giving any reason for it at all just the claim that the producers want that.

I can only make the obvious point that there are certain decisions that they obviously make with a particular end in mind. This week they chose to give the newbies this power. They didn't have to do that, but they did. And they knew what it would probably result in, as all of us do. There's one girl in there asking to leave and there's another girl in there Zoe's mate Dexter knows and hates and Bianca as well apparently.

What you seem to believe is that they don't think these twists through. When they obviously do.

[Yaki da]

Don't start swearing. Calm down, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

Sorry but trying to point out the obvious to people who refuse to see it is frustrating.

I didn't mean that. I meant the results of Kemal, Craig's and Anthony's nominations. Not putting Kemal, Craig and Anthony up for eviction. Is that clear enough for you?

They had announced that 2 lies would be told that week. They didn't decide who was going to be up until they saw who nominated and who did not. When they did they decided to go with those who did not. But knowing full well Makosi would get the most votes they then added another twist that the top two would then face a HM vote. All of this was done, clearly done, to get the most boring housemate out and keep all the current storylines (Craig/Anthony) and bigger characters (Kemal/Makosi) in a little longer.

[Marsh.]

As I said, why not just go with the results of Anthony, Craig and Kemal's nominations? To save Makosi?

They did know who would face the vote because of the fact it was TWO LIES. If the "optional nominations" was not a lie then what would be? If the other three faced the vote then it wouldn't have been a lie, throwing two lies into the air.

[Josy]

Because they wanted Marlon out.



They can't be that bloody fraudulent can they! :laugh:



I can only make the obvious point that there are certain decisions that they obviously make with a particular end in mind. This week they chose to give the newbies this power. They didn't have to do that, but they did. And they knew what it would probably result in, as all of us do. There's one girl in there asking to leave and there's another girl in there Zoe's mate Dexter knows and hates and Bianca as well apparently.

What you seem to believe is that they don't think these twists through. When they obviously do.

If they were so hell bent on getting Ashleigh out like you think though then Marlon wouldn't have been a priority for them.

I do believe that they think twists through, of course they do but I do not agree with you that they manipulate them to get the results they want.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I don't think they think twists through, they never reveal it to the public into the twist has played into the producers hands/far too late. [This has happeneded since C5 took over]

i.e. Once Toya had already been selected as power housemate, they decided to get her put up.

Things like that, had they told the public beforehand, then fine... But they didn't :umm2:

[Achilles]

Just think for a minute then..

If what you say is true and they are trying to get Ashleigh evicted why not evict her last night?

She was standing up along with Ash and Marlon, they weren't showing the noms on screen to the hm's or us then why not go one step further and say Ashleigh had received the most nomination from the housemates?

I am trying to understand your reasoning for thinking they want Ashleigh out of the house tbh but you aren't giving any reason for it at all just the claim that the producers want that.

They want to evict Ashleigh, that is the main event for Friday. Evicting Marlon was guinea pig test subject to soften the blow. The public have already got used to fact that a housemate can be evicted without their involvement. The backlash is not as mental.

[Josy]

I don't think they think twists through, they never reveal it to the public into the twist has played into the producers hands/far too late. [This has happeneded since C5 took over]

i.e. Once Toya had already been selected as power housemate, they decided to get her put up.

Things like that, had they told the public beforehand, then fine... But they didn't :umm2:

They never put Toya up the housemate Toya and Matthew saved had to choose between the two of them.

[Yaki da]

As I said, why not just go with the results of Anthony, Craig and Kemal's nominations? To save Makosi?

Because they wanted Vanessa out.

[Josy]

They want to evict Ashleigh, that is the main event for Friday. Evicting Marlon was guinea pig test subject to soften the blow. The public have already got used to fact that a housemate can be evicted without their involvement. The backlash is not as mental.

I disagree and have yet to see a valid reason why they would want or care enough to get Ashleigh out of the house.

[Yaki da]

I disagree and have yet to see a valid reason why they would want or care enough to get Ashleigh out of the house.

Because they want certain other people in?

You seem totally unwilling to recognize that they have all sorts of options of what they can do for a twist and that the reason they go with one option over all others is because they have certain plans up their sleeves for what comes next involving certain HMs over others.

It could be as simple as Ashleigh not being involved in those plans.

[Marsh.]

Because they wanted Vanessa out.

It was two lies. If the non nominators were not up then it wouldn't have been two lies would it?

[Josy]

Because they want certain other people in?

You seem totally unwilling to recognize that they have all sorts of options of what they can do for a twist and that the reason they go with one option over all others is because they have certain plans up their sleeves for what comes next involving certain HMs over others.

It could be as simple as Ashleigh not being involved in those plans.

I'm not unwilling to recognise that they have options and they think through twists etc tbh and have pointed that out numerous times now...I could twist it round and say you are unwilling to listen anyone elses reasons and have in your mind that the producers want Ashleigh out and that's that yet you have no idea why

What I am unwilling to recognise though are these conspiracies that they want a certain housemates out or certain housemates safe when there is no reason being given for any of the claims.

Don't you think they would have taken Helens pass and had her evicted by now if they were going to manipulate things to that extent, she is after all the one that Ofcom, channel 5 and endemol have being receiving the most complaints and petitions about.

[Marsh.]

You seem totally unwilling to recognize that they have all sorts of options of what they can do for a twist

That much is true. What you have yet to tell us is their reasons for wanting ANY of the housemates out and want ANY of them in.

[Yaki da]

It was two lies. If the non nominators were not up then it wouldn't have been two lies.

I can't believe I'm having to explain how they did this twist to evict Vanessa nearly 10 years later.

They told them all sorts of things that could have been lies... So much so they were unable to guess that Anthony, Kemal and Craig being up was one of the lies. But they didn't decide that would be one of the lies until they saw who did what. The only problem for them was that the group that was really up for eviction with Vanessa in it, also had Makosi there, so at the last minute they decided to add to the eviction that it would be the top two who then faced a HM vote. Until then it was just going to be a normal eviction with the two lies as the twist. The HM vote came later w/ the knowledge that Makosi would go otherwise.

[Marsh.]

I can't believe I'm having to explain how they did this twist to evict Vanessa nearly 10 years later.

They told them all sorts of things that could have been lies... So much so they were unable to guess that Anthony, Kemal and Craig being up was one of the lies. But they didn't decide that would be one of the lies until they saw who did what. The only problem for them was that the group that was really up for eviction with Vanessa in it, also had Makosi there, so at the last minute they decided to add to the eviction that it would be the top two who then faced a HM vote. Until then it was just going to be a normal eviction with the two lies as the twist. The HM vote came later w/ the knowledge that Makosi would go otherwise.

The only two lies with any impact was the ones centred on nominations. Nothing else would've made any impact whatsoever.

You can be rude and call me naive, stupid, "can't believe I'm explaining this" all you want. It doesn't make you right.

[Yaki da]

That much is true. What you have yet to tell us is their reasons for wanting ANY of the housemates out and want ANY of them in.

They obviously value certain housemates for storyline purposes and media attention more than certain others. And mayb there's other reasons as well. I can't know exactly what was going on in their minds anymore than a person can know exactly what was going on in Jeffrey Dahmer's mind.

They COULD have done what they said they were going do... Just put everyone up and have an eviction. But we all know Steven would have gone. They don't want that yet.

Instead they've made them think they're all up knowing full well Ashleigh will be saying how much she wants to go all week, making the decision of the newbies very easy.

Job done. Ashleigh, who the public didn't want to vote out is out by other means.

[Yaki da]

The only two lies with any impact was the ones centred on nominations. Nothing else would've made any impact whatsoever.

Why did none of them guess it then? And it doesn't answer the fact that the HM vote part was about saving Makosi and evicting Vanessa.

You can be rude and call me naive, stupid, "can't believe I'm explaining this" all you want. It doesn't make you right.

You are being naive I'm afraid. They put them all up for eviction in the penultimate week of Big Brother 5 and chained Michelle to Jason and Shell to Stuart and gave Michelle, who was known for her jealousy, an absolute hatchet job of an edit. They wanted her out over Jason/Victor (Victor unfortunately got himself evicted).

They wanted Vanessa out when they did what they did.

They wanted Nikki out, unbelievably, when they put everyone up but Jayne for eviction, knowing she was the most divisive figure. perhaps with her return in mind.

They switched up who was in that half way house and who was not so many times it became farcical. In the end the right people who they felt were expendable were in there and the likes of Ziggy were safe.

And so on and so on... They've been doing it for years. But never has it been so blatant as it is this year where they've actually got the friggin housemates to evict people without any viewer involvement at all. And people are actually looking at this and thinking it's not dodgy.

[Marsh.]

Why did none of them guess it then?

They did. :joker: Both Science and Derek discussed the possibility of the nomination results being one of the lies and the people who were "safe" being the ones up for eviction. Hence when the result came Science was not all surprised and Derek laughed. Vanessa crapped herself and everyone else screamed.


You are being naive I'm afraid. They put them all up for eviction in the penultimate week of Big Brother 5 and chained Michelle to Jason and Shell to Stuart and gave Michelle, who was known for her jealousy, an absolute hatchet job of an edit. They wanted her out over Jason/Victor (Victor unfortunately got himself evicted).

They wanted Vanessa out when they did what they did.

They wanted Nikki out, unbelievably, when they put everyone up but Jayne for eviction, knowing she was the most divisive figure. perhaps with her return in mind.

They switched up who was in that half way house and who was not so many times it became farcical. In the end the right people who they felt were expendable were in there and the likes of Ziggy were safe.

And so on and so on... They've been doing it for years. But never has it been so blatant as it is this year where they've actually got the friggin housemates to evict people without any viewer involvement at all. And people are actually looking at this and thinking it's not dodgy.

:joker:

[Yaki da]

They did. :joker: Both Science and Derek discussed the possibility of the nomination results being one of the lies and the people who were "safe" being the ones up for eviction.



:joker:

Btw a huge amount of money was put on Nikki to be evicted that week before they had even announced the punishment of Jayne.

[Marsh.]

They obviously value certain housemates for storyline purposes and media attention more than certain others. And mayb there's other reasons as well. I can't know exactly what was going on in their minds anymore than a person can know exactly what was going on in Jeffrey Dahmer's mind.

They COULD have done what they said they were going do... Just put everyone up and have an eviction. But we all know Steven would have gone. They don't want that yet.

Instead they've made them think they're all up knowing full well Ashleigh will be saying how much she wants to go all week, making the decision of the newbies very easy.

Job done. Ashleigh, who the public didn't want to vote out is out by other means.

So they don't want Ashleigh, despite her storyline as the only main opposition to Helen? And because "the public" like her? :joker:

[Marsh.]

Btw a huge amount of money was put on Nikki to be evicted that week before they had even announced the punishment of Jayne.

Which means the producers had an evil plan as opposed to Nikki being the most divisive housemate.

[Yaki da]

Which means the producers had an evil plan as opposed to Nikki being the most divisive housemate.

Eh? She was the most divisive figure in an enormous vote to evict with the only person with more detractors (Jayne) being immune.

And someone placed a big bet on her to go before it had even been announced on the live feed or website.

Yes, someone knew she was gone before the decision was even made public. An old gambler on Digital Spy posted numerous threads on this.

[Yaki da]

So they don't want Ashleigh, despite her storyline as the only main opposition to Helen? And because "the public" like her? :joker:

I have no idea why they're doing what they're doing. Again, how can anyone know that? But of all the options they can they choosem they go with certain ones that are almost definitely going to lead to certain results.

And yes, it does seem to me, as with that quadruple eviction at the end of the last series on Channel 4 that someone has just decided to say "Up yours" to the viewers.

But go right ahead, thinking these people never manipulate anything or come up with twists designed to lead to certain results. :spin:

[Achilles]

I'm not unwilling to recognise that they have options and they think through twists etc tbh and have pointed that out numerous times now...I could twist it round and say you are unwilling to listen anyone elses reasons and have in your mind that the producers want Ashleigh out and that's that yet you have no idea why

What I am unwilling to recognise though are these conspiracies that they want a certain housemates out or certain housemates safe when there is no reason being given for any of the claims.

Don't you think they would have taken Helens pass and had her evicted by now if they were going to manipulate things to that extent, she is after all the one that Ofcom, channel 5 and endemol have being receiving the most complaints and petitions about.

If you want to create a show, you cannot have live feed.

What is the reason they axed live feed? They could make a tidy sum from making it fee based. £x per day £x per week £x for season pass etc

[Marsh.]

Eh? She was the most divisive figure in an enormous vote to evict with the only person with more detractors (Jayne) being immune.

And someone placed a big bet on her to go before it had even been announced on the live feed or website.

Yes, someone knew she was gone before the decision was even made public. An old gambler on Digital Spy posted numerous threads on this.

People knew who'd be gone before the phone lines opened? OMG!!! That means it's rigged. I've never heard of an eviction being that predictable before. omg :worry:

That must mean they wanted Nikki out on purpose, you know because they wanted the drop in viewers that came afterwards. :idc:

I have no idea why they're doing what they're doing. Again, how can anyone know that? But of all the options they can they choosem they go with certain ones that are almost definitely going to lead to certain results.

And yes, it does seem to me, as with that quadruple eviction at the end of the last series on Channel 4 that someone has just decided to say "Up yours" to the viewers.

But go right ahead, thinking these people never manipulate anything or come up with twists designed to lead to certain results. :spin:

The quadruple eviction happened otherwise they'd have 9 housemates in the final on a night they also had the UBB launch. Shock. Stupid production decision, was it rigged because they had selected who they wanted in and out? No.

BIB - I never said they don't. I'm calling your bullsh*t out for the crap it is. Simply having a twist that doesn't go your way doesn't automatically make it rigged.

I can spin too. :spin:

Saying "I'm cynical about every twist BB does" isn't proof of anything.

[Josy]

If you want to create a show, you cannot have live feed.

What is the reason they axed live feed? They could make a tidy sum from making it fee based. £x per day £x per week £x for season pass etc

Live feed isn't anything to do with this discussion though but I do agree it gives them more of a chance to manipulate the highlights and so on, I have never said otherwise and have posted as much throughout this thread.

But I stand by my point that to say the producers are rearranging the entire show and manufacturing twists to suit an agenda of evicting one housemate without then giving a reason as to why they would do that is mad.

[Achilles]

People knew who'd be gone before the phone lines opened? OMG!!! That means it's rigged. I've never heard of an eviction being that predictable before. omg :worry:

That must mean they wanted Nikki out on purpose, you know because they wanted the drop in viewers that came afterwards. :idc:



The quadruple eviction happened otherwise they'd have 9 housemates in the final on a night they also had the UBB launch. Shock.

BIB - I never said they don't. I'm calling your bullsh*t out for the crap it is. Simply having a twist that doesn't go your way doesn't automatically make it rigged.

I can spin too. :spin:

It was a complete farce. Having a quadruple eviction but ensuring Josie was safe. Basically eliminate her competition and have the most boring final ever. If Josie wasn't made safe, she would have been evicted. Can't evict the winner.

[Starscream]

It's not too late to convince them to call off Friday's "no public vote" eviction. Contact 5 and BB by twitter, Facebook or email and tell them how you feel.

[Marsh.]

It was a complete farce. Having a quadruple eviction but ensuring Josie was safe. Basically eliminate her competition and have the most boring final ever. If Josie wasn't made safe, she would have been evicted. Can't evict the winner.

Again, make Josie the winner for what purpose?

If the public wanted any of the others to win they'd have voted for them.

[Achilles]

Live feed isn't anything to do with this discussion though but I do agree it gives them more of a chance to manipulate the highlights and so on, I have never said otherwise and have posted as much throughout this thread.

But I stand by my point that to say the producers are rearranging the entire show and manufacturing twists to suit an agenda of evicting one housemate without then giving a reason as to why they would do that is mad.

Live feed is relevant because most viewers are under the impression that they are watching 16 "normal" people living in a house and all that happens in the house is as a result of natural dynamics. With that you can have live feed.

If we are watching a show with 16 players each performing roles given to them, you cannot have live feed.

[Marsh.]

Live feed is relevant because most viewers are under the impression that they are watching 16 "normal" people living in a house and all that happens in the house is as a result of natural dynamics. With that you can have live feed.

If we are watching a show with 16 players each performing roles given to them, you cannot have live feed.

Yes, but that's not what the thread is about.

[Josy]

Live feed is relevant because most viewers are under the impression that they are watching 16 "normal" people living in a house and all that happens in the house is as a result of natural dynamics. With that you can have live feed.

If we are watching a show with 16 players each performing roles given to them, you cannot have live feed.

Again, I have never said Live Feed isn't relevant in fact I think the exact opposite and we need it for getting to know the housemates and certain situations and so much more however it does not have any relevance to this specific topic we were discussing.

[Achilles]

Again, make Josie the winner for what purpose?

If the public wanted any of the others to win they'd have voted for them.

If the public wanted to evict Josie they would have voted to evict her. They didn't get the chance. The producers like her and want her to win.

[Marsh.]

If the public wanted to evict Josie they would have voted to evict her. They didn't get the chance. The producers like her and want her to win.

They didn't get the chance because the housemates didn't nominate her. The housemates then decided to give Josie a pass to the final giving her immunity from the quadruple eviction.

The producers thought "Oh, we like that Josie let's use mind control to stop her being nominated and give her a pass to the final".

:joker: I'm convinced.

People seem to think the producers actually give a damn about who wins. They don't.

[Yaki da]

People knew who'd be gone before the phone lines opened? OMG!!! That means it's rigged. I've never heard of an eviction being that predictable before. omg :worry:

Someone knew who'd be gone before the punishment was even announced.

That must mean they wanted Nikki out on purpose, you know because they wanted the drop in viewers that came afterwards. :idc:

Not sure if they saw that coming.


The quadruple eviction happened otherwise they'd have 9 housemates in the final on a night they also had the UBB launch. Shock. Stupid production decision, was it rigged because they had selected who they wanted in and out? No.

They probably wanted Steve to get the pass (he nearly did). I reckon it was one big f u to the fans of the show and they wanted the 4 biggest characters out Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin out in the penultimate week. It was the last ever series, what did they care.

Again, they could have had a vote to save with them all. They choose NOT to knowing what the result would be, the biggest names going out in one night.

BIB - I never said they don't. I'm calling your bullsh*t out for the crap it is. Simply having a twist that doesn't go your way doesn't automatically make it rigged.

It's a twist that we already know is going one way before it's even happened... If we all know that then they knew that when they decided to go with it.

[Marsh.]

It's a twist that we already know is going one way before it's even happened... If we all know that then they knew that when they decided to go with it.

Except we don't. Only you are saying you know.

You've even said that if the twist doesn't go the way you expect it to you'll still see it as a ploy to get Ashleigh out.

In other words.... no matter what they do it's a ploy to get her out in your eyes. :laugh:

Even if she wins you'll be like "The producers tried so hard to have her evicted and she won!!!" :joker:

[Marsh.]

Again, they could have had a vote to save with them all.

The entire series was vote to evict, why would they suddenly change it? That would be tampering.

I also find it funny that on this last page I've gone from being told how naive I am to not know Josie was a producer favourite and they manipulated things for her to win.

And now I'm told they wanted her and three other "big characters" out before the final as a "**** You!" to the show. You know, the show they work on? :joker:

The conspiracy theories aren't even consistent.

[Yaki da]

The entire series was vote to evict, why would they suddenly change it? That would be tampering.

Did it in BB10 and saved Lisa.

I also find it funny that on this last page I've gone from being told how naive I am to not know Josie was a producer favourite and they manipulated things for her to win.

Yeah, I know some people think the show was handed to Josie on a platter, and it obivously was when they decided to do the eviction. But it wouldn't surprise me if they had it in their minds that Steve, as a war hero and all that, should get the free pass to the final. It was only because of the closeness of certain people to Josie that it didn't go that way. Had it been Steve and they then done the quad eviction, Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin, the top 4 favourites would have probably been out.

And now I'm told they wanted her and three other "big characters" out before the final as a "**** You!" to the show. You know, the show they work on? :joker:

The conspiracy theories aren't even consistent.

Well, I can't help what other people think happened. It's just clear that they make the decisions thinking through the possible consequences. Why wouldn't they do that?

[Yaki da]

Except we don't. Only you are saying you know.

If you were to guess, knowing full well that Ashleigh is asking to be evicted who they will then evict... Who do you suspect would go?

You've even said that if the twist doesn't go the way you expect it to you'll still see it as a ploy to get Ashleigh out.

In other words.... no matter what they do it's a ploy to get her out in your eyes. :laugh:

Even if she wins you'll be like "The producers tried so hard to have her evicted and she won!!!" :joker:

Look, it's possible Danielle is the one they'll go after. All I've said is that there are certain people who are much more likely to go than others and Ashleigh is way up there. And they would have known that when they decided to give the new HMs that sort of power.

[M X]

NO.

[Marsh.]

If you were to guess, knowing full well that Ashleigh is asking to be evicted who they will then evict... Who do you suspect would go?


I don't know because we've seen what?..... 30 seconds?..... of the people making the decision. You're presuming Ashleigh is going to continue talking about wanting to leave. You're also presuming they're going to pay any attention to that.


Look, it's possible Danielle is the one they'll go after. All I've said is that there are certain people who are much more likely to go than others and Ashleigh is way up there. And they would have known that when they decided to give the new HMs that sort of power.

Of course some housemates are more likely to go than others, that's the case whether there's a twist or normal eviction process. That's natural.

It just so happens that, twist or no twist, Ashleigh is likely to go. Just like Marlon.

[Marsh.]

All in all, you think something no matter the evidence to the contrary and no matter whether it actually takes place or not. We've reached an impasse. Thanks for the discussion Yaki da.

[Yaki da]

I don't know because we've seen what?..... 30 seconds?..... of the people making the decision. You're presuming Ashleigh is going to continue talking about wanting to leave. You're also presuming they're going to pay any attention to that.

It makes their decision alot easier. Doesn't it?



Of course some housemates are more likely to go than others, that's the case whether there's a twist or normal eviction process. That's natural.

Yes, and they choose which twists to do and which ones not to do depending on what they know will be the most likely outcomes.

It just so happens that, twist or no twist, Ashleigh is likely to go. Just like Marlon.

If there was no twist, how would Ashleigh be most likely to go? She survived against someone as inoffensive as Jale.

[Yaki da]

All in all, you think something no matter the evidence to the contrary

You haven't offered any evidence to the contrary. All you're asking me is to be a mindreader and tell you why they make the decisions they do, to which I can only offer suggestions.

But that they make decisions with certain outcomes in mind when they're making a long running television series is bloody obvious.

[Creggle]

Ashleigh will never be evicted due to the public vote, and has a strong chance of winning, just as much as Mark or Winston. So they have Monday and Friday's evictions where the public aren't involved and Ashleigh is clearly in the line of fire.

It isn't difficult to see why some people would consider this Big Brother's way of evicting somebody they don't want in it who they can't get evicted normally.

[Yaki da]

Ashleigh will never be evicted due to the public vote, and has a strong chance of winning, just as much as Mark or Winston. So they have Monday and Friday's evictions where the public aren't involved and Ashleigh is clearly in the line of fire.

It isn't difficult to see why some people would consider this Big Brother's way of evicting somebody they don't want in it who they can't get evicted normally.

Yes, but these people have convinced themselves that the producers don't do that sort of thing. I thought it was interesting that I got no reply to the point about them changing to a vote to save when Lisa was up for eviction along with everyone else (resulting in Hira going) during BB10.

They also changed it to a vote to save when Pete was paired up with Richard and they no doubt worried a vote to evict may lead to a strange result.

[Marsh.]

You haven't offered any evidence to the contrary.

:conf: I don't need to offer evidence. You are the one claiming something untoward is happening therefore it's down to you to prove that.

[Marsh.]

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

[Marsh.]

It makes their decision alot easier. Doesn't it?


What does? You assuming Ashleigh is going to offer herself as a sacrifice? Ok then.

[Creggle]

Speculating that Mark or Winston could win is also pure presumption with no basis in fact, saying anybody has a chance of winning is.

[Yaki da]

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Asking me to mind read again. I didn't say they definitely wanted her out but that there are certain people they are obviously happy to go out and she is up there. They would not have given the newbies the power to do this if they were not happy with that. They've even already said that Ashleigh has told them she wants to leave. Everyone watching who is paying attention knew that would happen

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

Oh FFS how can you say that a person who is leading every popularity poll (polls that have always correctly predicted winners or at least the top 3) by the distance she is is not in with a good shot of winning. The polls have always been a good indicator of support. Tellymix in particular correctly identified the popularity of Aaron, Luke A and Sam in the latter stages. Their poll is currently being topped by Ashleigh, just as she is topping every other poll.

[Yaki da]

What does? You assuming Ashleigh is going to offer herself as a sacrifice? Ok then.

She's already told them she wants to leave. She is now the easy option for them.

[Marsh.]

I didn't say they definitely wanted her out

But I'm naive for not agreeing with you. :think: Now you're not sure. Hmmmm.

They've even already said that Ashleigh has told them she wants to leave. Everyone watching who is paying attention knew that would happen

Really? You only claimed this AFTER it was said and began claiming you "knew it would happen". Mind reading indeed.


Oh FFS

Are you ok?

[Yaki da]

Speculating that Mark or Winston could win is also pure presumption with no basis in fact, saying anybody has a chance of winning is.

Saying Mark has more of a chance of winning than Steven is an obvious truth. It's supported by his support as can be seen in online polls.

Ashleigh however is polling almost double Mark's figures in every one of those polls. And Chris is second to her.

I'd make Chris the favourite to win right now just because Ashleigh is walking through a minefield.

[Yaki da]

But I'm naive for not agreeing with you. :think: Now you're not sure. Hmmmm.

I'm sure they're happy with her being a very likely candidate, as she obviously will be. Which we all knew. Especially the producers.



Really? You only claimed this AFTER it was said and began claiming you "knew it would happen". Mind reading indeed.



Are you ok?

I'm fine. You seem to be wanting to go round in the same circle again trying to deny that the producers choose to do certain twists with a particular outcome or outcomes in mind, which is indeed very naive.

[Marsh.]

You seem to be wanting to go round in the same circle again trying to deny that the producers choose to do certain twists with a particular outcome or outcomes in mind, which is indeed very naive.

I haven't denied anything. I'm here to discuss actual incidents. You seem to think the producers do things....... because they can.

They wanted Nikki out..... for the hell of it.
They wanted Josie to win...... just because.
They want Ashleigh out....... because they can.

I already called an end to the discussion, you're taking it in circles. I'll leave you to it. Or maybe the mods might lock the thread....... because they can. Or block one of us from the discussion....... for the hell of it. After all, who needs actual reason to make all the effort to do the things they do? :pipe:

[Yaki da]

I haven't denied anything. I'm here to discuss actual incidents. You seem to think the producers do things....... because they can.

They wanted Nikki out..... for the hell of it.

Why put her in that position if they didn't want her out? It was obvious she would be gone the moment she was in that position. They could have punished the whole house including Jayne, but no, they chose a specific punishment which was highly likely to lead to Nikki's eviction. Nikki was probably not going out that week in any other scenario than the one they chose to put her in.



They wanted Josie to win...... just because.


I didn't say that. I actually suspect they were expecting Steve, the war hero, to get given the final pass and then from there were going to have a quad eviction to see off Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin as one mega F U to the fans of the show. By the time UBB started, people would have moved on and it was supposed to be the last series anyway, so what did it matter?

I remember Phil Edgar-Jones posting on DS that year. He got absolutely fed up with the posters on a couple of occasions.

They want Ashleigh out....... because they can.

Again, you need to try to explain why they make the decisions they do which are most likely to lead to the things they do. You seem to think they just do it without any thought of what is going to happen, which is obviously wrong. They do it, thinking through the possibilities... Ashleigh is the very easy option for them to vote out and they knew this when they gave them the power to evict someone.

Why? Again, I'm no mindreader. But it is interesting to note that this has all followed a fansite/twitter campaign to keep Ashleigh in by evicting Jale. What they did with Marlon was a first for Big Brother in this country. Giving the actual HMs the power to evict someone, and having inspired a petition against this, they're now going to do it again. It seems like another way of saying F U


I already called an end to the discussion, you're taking it in circles.

You came back.

I'll leave you to it. Or maybe the mods might lock the thread....... because they can. Or block one of us from the discussion....... for the hell of it. After all, who needs actual reason to make all the effort to do the things they do? :pipe:

No need to lock this thread. There are people who agree with me on this and believe some of you are just being ridiculous in acting like the decisions they make aren't made with a certain purpose. And when the most obvious people go, as Marlon did, as the girl who is asking to be evicted probably will, it really ought to be clear that they are coming up with these twists with certain obvious goals.

[Josy]

If Ashleigh goes for saying she wants to go then she is to blame :shrug:

[Yaki da]

If Ashleigh goes for saying she wants to go then she is to blame :shrug:

Nope. By putting people in the position they are in, knowing there was a HM who was saying she wanted to leave, they set it up for her to be very likely the next one out.

The lack of live coverage and now the suspension of the viewers being involved in the eviction process is for one obvious reason... Further manipulation.

[Marsh.]

Why put her in that position if they didn't want her out? It was obvious she would be gone the moment she was in that position. They could have punished the whole house including Jayne, but no, they chose a specific punishment which was highly likely to lead to Nikki's eviction.

Of course they did. :pat: They plotted to evict Nikki..... for what reason?


I didn't say that. I actually suspect they were expecting Steve, the war hero, to get given the final pass and then from there were going to have a quad eviction to see off Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin as one mega F U to the fans of the show. By the time UBB started, people would have moved on and it was supposed to be the last series anyway, so what did it matter?

:joker: An FU to the fans? Why? What had they done? Reason?


I remember Phil Edgar-Jones posting on DS that year. He got absolutely fed up with the posters on a couple of occasions.

Yeah, I know he did. Anyone would when you have so much abuse thrown at you by that forum.


Again, you need to try to explain why they make the decisions they do which are most likely to lead to the things they do. You seem to think they just do it without any thought of what is going to happen, which is obviously wrong. They do it, thinking through the possibilities... Ashleigh is the very easy option for them to vote out and they knew this when they gave them the power to evict someone.


I don't need to explain anything. I don't seem to think anything about the twists.

You have created a thread making outlandish claims of manipulation by the producers who are obsessed with having housemates evicted....... for no reason whatsoever. Not monetary gain, not a rise in viewing figures, just..... because.


Why? Again, I'm no mindreader. But it is interesting to note that this has all followed a fansite/twitter campaign to keep Ashleigh in by evicting Jale. What they did with Marlon was a first for Big Brother in this country. Giving the actual HMs the power to evict someone, and having inspired a petition against this, they're now going to do it again.

It's also interesting to note that Armageddon was planned for this week for at least 3 weeks without knowing who would be evicted before then.

Don't bother responding until you have something of substance to say. "Just because" no longer cuts it.

[Marsh.]

No need to lock this thread. There are people who agree with me on this and believe some of you are just being ridiculous in acting like the decisions they make aren't made with a certain purpose.

I wasn't being literal my dear. I was following your point of people in "power" doing things for the hell of it for no discernible reason whatsoever.

There's no reason to lock the thread, but there's also no reason to purposely see Nikki or Ashleigh evicted..... but they just do it, right? :wink:

Because high on their agenda is annoying Yaki da..... because they can.

[Josy]

Nope. By putting people in the position they are in, knowing there was a HM who was saying she wanted to leave, they set it up for her to be very likely the next one out.

The lack of live coverage and now the suspension of the viewers being involved in the eviction process is for one obvious reason... Further manipulation.

Yeah I disagree with that like I have posted many many times in this thread with my reasons and point as to why and you failing to have any valid reason for the assumptions means it's pointless having a debate about it.

Great discussion but I'm done.

[Yaki da]

I wasn't being literal my dear. I was following your point of people in "power" doing things for the hell of it for no discernible reason whatsoever.

There's no reason to lock the thread, but there's also no reason to purposely see Nikki or Ashleigh evicted..... but they just do it, right? :wink:

Because high on their agenda is annoying Yaki da..... because they can.

They always have an agenda. Sometimes the result annoys me, sometimes it doesn't. At this point I'm almost past caring. But I always recognise it. Almost every twist they come up with is done with a purpose (would they have ever allowed Gos to be sent to Africa?) - to achieve a certain goal. The question you have to ask when they do these twists is what is the most obvious thing that is going to happen, and there will be the agenda.

Why? No one could ever answer that question unless they are privy to the conversations they have.

[Yaki da]

Yeah I disagree with that like I have posted many many times in this thread with my reasons and point as to why and you failing to have any valid reason for the assumptions means it's pointless having a debate about it.

Great discussion but I'm done.

Up to you. But I'd love to know why you think they've suddenly decided to get rid of (or at least suspend) the public having a say in evictions. Do you think it's just a coincidence that it followed the Save Ashleigh/Evict Jale campaign? Do you think it's just a coincidence that after a petition with over a thousand signatures in the space of 48 hours telling them not to take the viewers vote away from the eviction process, they've now done it twice in the space of a week?

And again... I have no idea why people would deny that Marlon was penciled in for eviction. It's perfectly obvious that he was.

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[waterhog]

I honestly think Ashleigh isn't going to win the show anyway as with the general public Mark will be the most popular.

a travesty

[Gusto Brunt]

I'd love it if Ashleigh stayed but it appears the newbies have it in for her, and she'll be going.

It's a shame the newbies don't have balls. If they did they'd evict Steven. But the cowards won't do that because they know the majority of the house want Ashleigh out.

[Yaki da]

So, are the two girls saying Ashleigh is the easiest option now? You'd think it was set up for that to happen. :shocked:

[Yaki da]

Anyway, just for the record of where she stood in the popularity polls...

TIBB

BB2014: Who is your favourite housemate? [Marlon Evicted]
Ashleigh 34.2%
Chris 17.8%
Mark 8.6%
Christopher 6.9%
Helen 6.3%
Zoe 4.7%
Ash 4.4%
Danielle 4.1%
Winston 4.0%
Biannca 3.7%
Kimberly 3.1%
Pavandeep 1.6%
Steven 0.4%

Total votes: 1183
You have already voted!

BB Spy

Week 6 Part 2: Who's your favourite housemate?

ASHLEIGH
31.0%

CHRIS
14.1%

HELEN
9.9%

MARK
8.9%

ASH
7.8%

ZOE
6.3%

CHRISTOPHER
6.0%

WINSTON
5.7%

BIANNCA
3.9%

DANIELLE
3.6%

KIMBERLY
1.3%

PAVANDEEP
1.1%

STEVEN
0.4%
Total Votes: 1237


Tellymix

Big Brother 2014: Who's your favourite? Week 6

Ashleigh Coyle (28%, 1,381 Votes)
Chris R Wright (23%, 1,128 Votes)
Mark Byron (16%, 781 Votes)
Winston Showan (8%, 416 Votes)
Helen Wood (6%, 289 Votes)
Christopher Hall (5%, 254 Votes)
Ash Harrison (5%, 253 Votes)
Danielle McMahon (3%, 150 Votes)
Kimberly Kisselovich (2%, 103 Votes)
Marlon Wallen (2%, 92 Votes)
Steven Goode (2%, 49 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,896

What a "twist" (fix) this is

[Achilles]

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

They want Ashleigh out because they don't want her to win. There is a danger she could win because of her popularity.

[waterhog]

there is more of her to come - she needs to stay.

[Samm]

She won't be evicted, there's bigger targets they are getting out now like Kimberly & Steven

[Achilles]

She won't be evicted, there's bigger targets they are getting out now like Kimberly & Steven

If the whole house was up for eviction and the public decided who goes, Steven would be out the door. Big Brother decide they don't want a public vote. Why do you think Big Brother would save Steven from the public vote, only to have him be evicted by 3 new housemates. Why?

Ashleigh will go, because the whole point of the "twist" is to get rid of Ashleigh.

[Yaki da]

She won't be evicted, there's bigger targets they are getting out now like Kimberly & Steven

They like Steven (Bianca and Zoe), they won't want to hurt him either by evicting Kim.

Do you really not see how this twist was manufactured to lead to a certain result? Ashleigh was the easiest and most obvious person from the moment it was announced. That is why the production team did the twist/fix imo.

[Kazanne]

They like Steven (Bianca and Zoe), they won't want to hurt him either by evicting Kim.

Do you really not see how this twist was manufactured to lead to a certain result? Ashleigh was the easiest and most obvious person from the moment it was announced. That is why the production team did the twist/fix imo.

It's not a fix ,people just saying this because if she goes the excuse will be it was a fix,not that she was disliked or wanted to go,I don't think she'll go but if she does it certainly wont be because it's fixed for that to happen.

[Yaki da]

It's not a fix

It's a blatant fix, just as Marlon's eviction was. Your problem is that your dislike of Ashleigh is blinding you from objective truth.


people just saying this because if she goes the excuse will be it was a fix,not that she was disliked or wanted to go

We know she wanted to go. That's the whole point of giving these new HMs the power they have... She was the easiest and most obvious option.


I don't think she'll go but if she does it certainly wont be because it's fixed for that to happen.

They take the public vote out of the eviction process... They give 3 new housemates the power to evict knowing full well there's a girl in there who is saying she wants to go meaning she was always the most obvious and easiest option to pick. That was the point...

How can people be so blind to this? :laugh:

[wormsinfested]

#eyecandy needs to stay!!!

[Achilles]

Fix is the wrong word. It's a SHOW. The producers have created a SHOW and they have complete control over everything that happens in their SHOW.

It is not BIG BROTHER anymore it's more like a WWF version of Big Brother

[David992]

I think if they want to make an easy decision they will pick ashleigh, because they think she wants to go but lets hope they pick steven. ASHLEIGH TO STAY :*

[Yaki da]

Fix is the wrong word. It's a SHOW.

It's a show that presents itself as a game which money is gambled on and votes are cast for, and there is a prize at the end. What they're doing is dodgy


The producers have created a SHOW and they have complete control over everything that happens in their SHOW.

It is not BIG BROTHER anymore it's more like a WWF version of Big Brother

I agree with this. But they may as well have sent in an executive producer to just say "Sorry Marlon, you're evicted. Okay Ashleigh, you want to go, time to go..."

[Marsh.]

They want Ashleigh out because they don't want her to win. There is a danger she could win because of her popularity.

That's not actually answered my question has it?

Why don't they want Ashleigh to win? It'll take some damn good explaining to convince me the producers give two sh*ts who wins. There's nothing in it for them. Even less nowadays.