Religious views

[Redway]

Most likely going to get flack for yet another thread on religion, but what influenced you as you were growing up to believe in what you do, or lose your faith etc?

[mooo]

I was raised catholic but when I was about 14 I stopped going to church etc then around 6 months ago I started going again and its really helped me.

[GypsyGoth]

I was born without any religion. From what I know of my father he was an atheist and my mom kinda believed in buddhism at one stage. but I think she's agnostic now. And that's how I'd class myself.

I find the people who are certain of no god, relying on the same type of faith they criticize people who believe in a religion.

So yea I don't know if there is a god and I don't think there is any way to prove or disprove it. I suppose I'm slightly envious of those who believe in something. And I love finding out stuff about different beliefs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was born without any religion. From what I know of my father he was an atheist and my mom kinda believed in buddhism at one stage. but I think she's agnostic now. And that's how I'd class myself.

I find the people who are certain of no god, relying on the same type of faith they criticize people who believe in a religion.

So yea I don't know if there is a god and I don't think there is any way to prove or disprove it. I suppose I'm slightly envious of those who believe in something. And I love finding out stuff about different beliefs.

You only need to prove it

like any made up thing - unicorns etc

If you make an extraordinary claim and you wish people to believe it the burden of proof is on you

remember every religionist is an atheist about every other god and religion


I was brought up a christian singing Jesus wants me for a rainbow

Its when you learn about how rainbows actually occur that you think...hmmmm ( and from an airplane rainbows are fully round)

[Me. I Am Salman]

i grew up in a religious household, went to classes during my childhood, learnt how to pray, fasted etc. but there was still so much for me to learn, and it's only recently that I felt compelled to study things for myself which has made my faith go a lot stronger. for me, it's the one true perfect religion and definitely like no other. i base my life around my beliefs, not the other way around.. it's always on my mind and affects everything that i do. i'm not perfect, no one is, but I'm aspiring to live up to the rules I'm expected to follow, every single minute detail. when you dedicate your life to something like that it gets really frustrating to see it be so misunderstood.

[Kazanne]

I was brought up in a Christian family , we went to church every week, I went to Sunday school and loved it, I still hold my religious beliefs, although I don't instil it to my children, they do know I believe in 'God' if they wish to follow me then that's ok,if they don't ,that's ok too,they have all been christened and they will chose their own path,I believe they have to make their own minds up.

[GypsyGoth]

You only need to prove it

like any made up thing - unicorns etc

If you make an extraordinary claim and you wish people to believe it the burden of proof is on you

remember every religionist is an atheist about every other god and religion


I was brought up a christian singing Jesus wants me for a rainbow

Its when you learn about how rainbows actually occur that you think...hmmmm ( and from an airplane rainbows are fully round)

It's my understanding that the three major western religions believe in the same god, however they worship different prophets? I'm not 100% sure on that.

And isn't religion about believing where there is no proof?

[Ninastar]

No I don't believe in anything, but one of my biggest hates in the world is people who hate on religion and love to prove how 'stupid' people with faith are.

[Bluerang1]

Christian. I have all the views and everything because of what the Bible says. I believe that I've been so blessed that a higher power as to be at play. I am far from perfect.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Claudia's right, the three abrahamic religions are fundamentally similar, with more or less the exact same stories, rules, prophets etc

The Qur'an states that the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospels) and the Qur'an are all books from Allah revealed to three prophets in their time; Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. The Qur'an goes on to say that, if the Jews and Christians had remained true to the revelations sent to them they would also be Muslims as all people who believe in the one God and do not join partners with Him or worship idols, believe in the Last Day, the resurrection of all beings and the Final Judgement are actually Muslims though they may not call themselves that. The Christians parted company with the teachings of Allah and his Prophet Jesus when they assigned him as a son of God and declared that God is a trinity i.e. three gods; Jesus, God and the Holy Ghost. The three religions would be the same if they had stuck to the original plan.

some scholars suggest certain references in the Qur'an could imply Christians and Jews would be accepted into Heaven, but others dispute that. it's kind of ambiguous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's my understanding that the three major western religions believe in the same god, however they worship different prophets? I'm not 100% sure on that.

And isn't religion about believing where there is no proof?

yes but there are hundreds of gods. even in christianity you have Catholicism and Protestant etc. Every one thinks they are the one true blah blah blah.

Yes, sadly this faith myth is used like a badge of honour when really its no more than wishful thinking with your fingers jammed in your ears.

Funnily enough the Bible/koran always gets used as proof of this and that :joker:

[Kazanne]

I do love religious buildings too,I find a certain peace in them that you cant get anywhere else.I also had that romantic notion of being a nun at one point,lol yeah,yeah,hilarious:joker: I don't think I would have liked the confinement:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Claudia's right, the three abrahamic religions are fundamentally similar, with more or less the exact same stories, rules, prophets etc



some scholars suggest certain references in the Qur'an could imply Christians and Jews would be accepted into Heaven, but others dispute that. it's kind of ambiguous.

yes the jews, muslims and christians are always getting together to laugh about how similar they are...:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do love religious buildings too,I find a certain peace in them that you cant get anywhere else.I also had that romantic notion of being a nun at one point,lol yeah,yeah,hilarious:joker: I don't think I would have liked the confinement:hehe:

that is because they are always fecking empty!

[Kazanne]

that is because they are always fecking empty!

How would you know?:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How would you know?:hehe:

because that is why people always say churches are peaceful...so would a shopping mall be if it had no people in it, or an abattoir.

[mooo]

because that is why people always say churches are peaceful...so would a shopping mall be if it had no people in it, or an abattoir.

An abattoir? Wut

[Me. I Am Salman]

that is because they are always fecking empty!

my local mosque is a small makeshift one that was originally two flats, during the month of ramadan though it has about 50+ people congregating for the daily five prayers and 100+ for the special nightly prayers.

when it's not ramadan a lot of people still attend five times a day and without fail 200-300 every single friday for the jummah prayers

the figure is much higher for the official mosques. stay mad, sis

[Livia]

Praying for Trumpet...

[Crimson Dynamo]

my local mosque is a small makeshift one that was originally two flats, during the month of ramadan though it has about 50+ people congregating for the daily five prayers and 100+ for the special nightly prayers.

when it's not ramadan a lot of people still attend five times a day and without fail 200-300 every single friday for the jummah prayers

the figure is much higher for the official mosques. stay mad, sis

yes but thats not a church and your religion is less developed and not as far up the line to extinction as the UK christian one. To be honest religion thrives on poor education (not a slight at you) .

[Marsh.]

remember every religionist is an atheist about every other god and religion


When discussing religion you seem to talk as though every single one of them is an extremist.

It's like generalising about anyone who's ever committed a crime, no matter how small, are all serial killers.

Also, the statement about what religions think about other religions is actually not as true as you might think.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Praying for Trumpet...


Is that a euphemism?

[Crimson Dynamo]

When discussing religion you seem to talk as though every single one of them is an extremist.

It's like generalising about anyone who's ever committed a crime, no matter how small, are all serial killers.

Also, the statement about what religions think about other religions is actually not as true as you might think.

religionist is just a generic term, it does not imply extremism

[Livia]

yes but thats not a church and your religion is less developed and not as far up the line to extinction as the UK christian one. To be honest religion thrives on poor education (not a slight at you) .

Mine's still going strong after 5000 years.

[Marsh.]

that is because they are always fecking empty!

Actually it's because you have to be silent in most religious buildings. It's not a youth club with a disco.

[Livia]

Is that a euphemism?

LOL... it might be...

[Marsh.]

religionist is just a generic term, it does not imply extremism

A "religionist" is a fanatic, an extremist.

What was that you said about education? :smug:

[Livia]

A "religionist" is a fanatic, an extremist.

Might as well let him go, Marshy. He's on a roll...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually it's because you have to be silent in most religious buildings. It's not a youth club with a disco.

My church is both of the above too! - and its the only time its rocking:dance:

[Me. I Am Salman]

yes but there are hundreds of gods. even in christianity you have Catholicism and Protestant etc. Every one thinks they are the one true blah blah blah.

Yes, sadly this faith myth is used like a badge of honour when really its no more than wishful thinking with your fingers jammed in your ears.

Funnily enough the Bible/koran always gets used as proof of this and that :joker:

the Qur'an states that humans were given eyes, ears and minds for a reason, that we must utilise them and investigate the truth. non-muslims and people who simply inherit their beliefs from their parents are invited to question, reflect and scrutinise the arguments presented by it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Might as well let him go, Marshy. He's on a roll...

i am glad you missed the t on your keyboard there

[Marsh.]

Might as well let him go, Marshy. He's on a roll...

I'll make him roll. :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

A "religionist" is a fanatic, an extremist.

What was that you said about education? :smug:

for me its quicker than typing religious people

"a person adhering to a religion; especially : a religious zealot "

but not exclusively

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religionist

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'll make him roll. :fist:

oh oh here comes the threats

next it will be the mortars


:fist: You wont penetrate my tinfoil dome

[Marsh.]

So just call them "religious". It's more accurate. You don't have to add "people". :smug:

You don't want to come across uneducated. :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So just call them "religious". It's more accurate. You don't have to add "people". :smug:

You don't want to come across uneducated. :smug:

and you dont wish to appear dogmatic:spin:

[mooo]

I love god.

[Livia]

Faith, that's what it's all about; believing something without having to have it proved. I've said this before but I'll give it another go... I've heard faith described thus: It's like being blind and flying a kite. You can't see the kite, but you can feel it pulling on the string.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Faith, that's what it's all about; believing something without having to have it proved. I've said this before but I'll give it another go... I've heard faith described thus: It's like being blind and flying a kite. You can't see the kite, but you can feel it pulling on the string.

...or pulling your leg

[Kazanne]

yes but thats not a church and your religion is less developed and not as far up the line to extinction as the UK christian one. To be honest religion thrives on poor education (not a slight at you) .

I feel insulted:hmph:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love god.

which god?

http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/How_many_gods?

[Kazanne]

Faith, that's what it's all about; believing something without having to have it proved. I've said this before but I'll give it another go... I've heard faith described thus: It's like being blind and flying a kite. You can't see the kite, but you can feel it pulling on the string.

:clap1::clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I feel insulted:hmph:

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult—Prov 12:16

[mooo]

which god?

http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/How_many_gods?

The father of Jesus. The god that had helped me through many tough times.

[mooo]

I dont believe I'm absolutely everything, but I believe in heaven and hell

[King Gizzard]

Both sides of my family come from a Salvation Army background, and both sides still go to church now...but a more modern relaxed church with better music etc etc. I use to go up until about 17...usually only went to meet up with my mates there..then just gradually stopped going and became agnostic I guess

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dont believe I'm absolutely everything, but I believe in heaven and hell

How does hell work and who goes there?

[Kazanne]

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult—Prov 12:16


When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion.

[Northern Monkey]

I went to a C of E Primary school and prayed,Sang hymns and went to church events with school.However,I never believed a word of it and found it tedious.I still don't believe in the supernatural aspects of religion
I do find Judaism and Christianity fascinating however from a historical point of view,I've developed a really keen interest in ancient history and how these religions came about.Also the Egyptian gods fascinate me and how the really old religions of multiple gods developed into the monotheistic religions,Particularly Judaism which was the first known one.

[arista]

http://unbelieversblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/The-God-Delusion.jpg


Great Book

[Kazanne]

How does hell work and who goes there?

You do LT,there's a furnace waiting for you:hehe:

[mooo]

How does hell work and who goes there?

Bad people

[Me. I Am Salman]

http://unbelieversblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/The-God-Delusion.jpg


Great Book

shady slut

[Redway]

Richard Dawkins ... what a prick.

[arista]

Richard Dawkins ... what a prick.


He is a Clever Man



there is No God

[mooo]

I don't believe in sex before marriage. But if people do then that's fine

[King Gizzard]

Even atheists must admit he's a prick (Dawkins)

[Marsh.]

and you dont wish to appear dogmatic:spin:

http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/new-emoticons/watching.gif

[Redway]

He is a Clever Man



there is No God

I don't believe in God by any stretch either but for one no one knows the truth for sure, so adamantly claiming the same copy and paste reply doesn't portray atheists in a good light. Especially not when people are called deluded because they don't share the same opinion as you.

Whatever about hating organised religion but you should have as much respect for the actual people as you'd expect them to have for you.

[Ammi]

..I always think it's odd that 'non believers' spend so much time talking about something that can't be proved (because it's a faith) when they don't believe in things that can't be proved/bizarre....

[Kate!]

I believe there's something after death. Without any doubts.

[Marsh.]

Kathy Burke had Dawkins right.

"I feel like, 'Shut up, Dawkins. Take your tights off and have a beer.' I envy faith. If he believed in something, he might not be so arrogant."

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013/nov/12/kathy-burke-interview

[Marsh.]

you should have as much respect for the actual people as you'd expect them to have for you.

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

I believe we go on after death,not in the same form ,I believe several 'lives' are a test,Why do we have the capability to learn so much,just for it all to be for nothing,and I wonder if we have to experience different kind of lives,not sure people will know what I mean,maybe we go through all the good and bad things in different lives.I'll shut up now,it's probably not making much sense,lol

[Kazanne]

You only need to prove it

like any made up thing - unicorns etc

If you make an extraordinary claim and you wish people to believe it the burden of proof is on you

remember every religionist is an atheist about every other god and religion


I was brought up a christian singing Jesus wants me for a rainbow

Its when you learn about how rainbows actually occur that you think...hmmmm ( and from an airplane rainbows are fully round)



I don't understand how you say I Don't believe in God because there is no proof he exists but then you go ahead and make plans for next week as if you had a proof that those days do exist.Lots of things we cant see it doesn't mean they are not there.

[MTVN]

Agnostic but I'm quite sympathetic towards religion though mainly from a non-religious viewpoint, stuff like the aesthetics of it all and the theology and history, I think it would be sad if Christianity ever became a negligible presence in this country

I've never really been strongly religious or strongly atheist either, half my family are Catholic and half Anglican, the Anglican side is historically more religious because my grandfather was a vicar but neither of my parents were strongly religious so I've not been that influenced by it really

[Redway]

Agnostic but I'm quite sympathetic towards religion (well, Christianity really) though mainly from a non-religious viewpoint, stuff like the aesthetics of it all and the theology and history, I think it would be sad if Christianity ever became a negligible presence in this country

I've never really been strongly religious or strongly atheist either, half my family are Catholic and half Anglican, the Anglican side is historically more religious because my grandfather was a vicar but neither of my parents were strongly religious so I've not been that influenced by it really

Not at the expense of it interfering with politics. Fair enough about not wanting Christianity to become non-existent in society but it gets in the way of too much these days.

[MTVN]

Tbh I think there are far shadier elements than the Church that have much more interference in politics (big donors, lobbyists etc.)

[Crimson Dynamo]

..I always think it's odd that 'non believers' spend so much time talking about something that can't be proved (because it's a faith) when they don't believe in things that can't be proved/bizarre....

they dont but until its eradicated from schools and politics people will still keep shattering illusions for people who say they believe in nonsense

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tbh I think there are far shadier elements than the Church that have much more interference in politics (big donors, lobbyists etc.)


maybe but it has no place there or schools

just like netball

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't understand how you say I Don't believe in God because there is no proof he exists but then you go ahead and make plans for next week as if you had a proof that those days do exist.Lots of things we cant see it doesn't mean they are not there.

there is substantial evidence to suggest that next week will arrive, scientific peer reviewed evidence

also bills are a good way to prove next week will come

my BT bill for example will deffo arrive next wed

[Brother Leon]

All I have is my faith and my balls :)

[Ammi]

they dont but until its eradicated from schools and politics people will still keep shattering illusions for people who say they believe in nonsense

...hmmmm, but again you're just generalising..it depends how it's taught in schools and there is very much a place for it as much as there is for philosophy to help children understand morals...and if they come from Bible stories as opposed to any other story that has a meaning and a moral to it, it really doesn't matter because it helps guide them and teaches them something good and a valuable life ethos...

[the truth]

I believe in Jesus Christ. The greatest human being that ever lived. A man who gave us lessons that are invaluable for all eternity. I do not follow other religions they seem far less forgiving than Christianity. I believe it is an infinitely better religion and better set of values for humanity than Islam, Judaism and many other religions. Though I am quite interested in Buddhism. I am a pacifist. Ive never hit anyone in my life. I will state my case and argue my corner by violence is to be avoided. Sadly many people lump all religions together, which is absurd. Christianity is light years ahead of Islam and Judaism. It is enlightened and 1000s of years ahead of its time.

[the truth]

they dont but until its eradicated from schools and politics people will still keep shattering illusions for people who say they believe in nonsense

Yes because people will never argue without Christianity will they? before Christianity there were wars , endless wars, if it ended there would be wars endless wars. Clearly you think Jesus was a nasty man preaching some kind of hate that somehow lead to wars. Can you please outline how you come to this conclusion and ignored all the preaching on love truth forgiveness redemption enlightenment? Or were you just playing to the crowd for cheap laughs?

[Kizzy]

What about people who do believe in something....except religion, what category are we in?

[Redway]

What about people who do believe in something....except religion, what category are we in?

'what influenced you as you were growing up to believe in what you do, or lose your faith etc?'

[Kizzy]

I never had a faith to lose, but had a spiritual belief only.

[Redway]

That's fine.

[the truth]

What about people who do believe in something....except religion, what category are we in?

usually the attention seekers category

[joeysteele]

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.

[the truth]

I never had a faith to lose, but had a spiritual belief only.

what spiritual beliefs

[Kizzy]

what spiritual beliefs

ones without a rule book

[the truth]

the atheist output in the Uk is pitiful. it offers no beliefs no values no wrestling with moral quandaries.....it sits and sneers from the sidelines, demands us all to believe life is meaningless and demands people are allowed to kill themselves in hospital and mocks and sneers and laughs at anyone who dare think maybe there is more. atheism in this country is a sad cynical populist nasty shallow , its a scornful place of cheap laughs a truly bitter Church.

[joeysteele]

ones without a rule book

I think I may get what you say, something you feel rather than are told to believe.

That's how I form my feelings and views on faith or spiritual issues.

[the truth]

ones without a rule book

so you have no rules at all? no moral code? no guidelines ? no rights and no wrongs? how do you draw any lines between whats acceptable and whats not? whats right and whats wrong?

[Kizzy]

so you have no rules at all? no moral code? no guidelines ? no rights and no wrongs? how do you draw any lines between whats acceptable and whats not? whats right and whats wrong?

I have a conscience....

[Alf]

I think the term is "Agnostic" what I am. It mean's nothing to me.

I'm quite happy to join in with the main Christian festival's, more out of tradition, and it's a good time, so every one's a winner.

[the truth]

I have a conscience....

so? every does? youve not answered any questions ? what spiritual beliefs do you have?

[Redway]

the atheist output in the Uk is pitiful. it offers no beliefs no values no wrestling with moral quandaries.....it sits and sneers from the sidelines, demands us all to believe life is meaningless and demands people are allowed to kill themselves in hospital and mocks and sneers and laughs at anyone who dare think maybe there is more. atheism in this country is a sad cynical populist nasty shallow , its a scornful place of cheap laughs a truly bitter Church.

You don't have to be atheist to believe that people should be given the freedom to kill themselves if that's what they want. Better that people are given freedom of choice than told what to do by overbearing Christians who think their own views should have anything to do with anyone else's.

And not all atheists mock people for differing views. All it means is that you don't believe in anything out there. Nothing more, nothing less. In every sector of society you always get ignorant pricks, so of course there are intolerant militant atheists, just as there are evangelical religious nuts who think it's their job to save others from eternal damnation.

Think I find religious people who make negative sweeping generalisations about a huge group of people much more offensive and ridiculous than the vast majority of decent people who just happen to not believe in a higher being.

[Redway]

so you have no rules at all? no moral code? no guidelines ? no rights and no wrongs? how do you draw any lines between whats acceptable and whats not? whats right and whats wrong?

Going by your conscience maybe, as kizzy said. You don't need a rule book or a belief in a greater being to give you a moral code.

[Kizzy]

so? every does? youve not answered any questions ? what spiritual beliefs do you have?

yes they do, it's what jesus called free will.
I'm not going to list my core values for your evaluation truth, I don't need your validation thankyou.

[the truth]

yes they do, it's what jesus called free will.
I'm not going to list my core values for your evaluation truth, I don't need your validation thankyou.

you dont seem to know your core values

[Marsh.]

you dont seem to know your core values

Why are you being so confrontational? She doesn't belong to an organised religion so she doesn't know her core values or have a moral code?

:facepalm:

[Kizzy]

you dont seem to know your core values

I know them, I just choose not to impart them to you.

[Kizzy]

Why are you being so confrontational? She doesn't belong to an organised religion so she doesn't know her core values or have a moral code?

:facepalm:

'Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.'

[the truth]

You don't have to be atheist to believe that people should be given the freedom to kill themselves if that's what they want. Better that people are given freedom of choice than told what to do by overbearing Christians who think their own views should have anything to do with anyone else's.

And not all atheists mock people for differing views. All it means is that you don't believe in anything out there. Nothing more, nothing less. In every sector of society you always get ignorant pricks, so of course there are intolerant militant atheists, just as there are evangelical religious nuts who think it's their job to save others from eternal damnation.

Think I find religious people who make negative sweeping generalisations about a huge group of people much more offensive and ridiculous than the vast majority of decent people who just happen to not believe in a higher being.

That was one of the most unoriginal replies Ive ever read. It was just the same cliched tripe espoused by the everyman populist british atheist who seems to simply exist to take cheap shots against Christianity and never actualy to any values. Its so utterly boring and predictable and of course disrespectful.

[the truth]

I know them, I just choose not to impart them to you.

you dont know them and you lack the backbone to say that. even if you knew your own values it shows significant cowardice to refrain from sharing them. especially when youre so quick to criticize some beliefs and values yet havent the courage to state any of your own values and beliefs.

[Marsh.]

Redway exists simply to take cheap shots at Christianity?

Oh wake up and smell the coffee.

[Redway]

That was one of the most unoriginal replies Ive ever read. It was just the same cliched tripe espoused by the everyman populist british atheist who seems to simply exist to take cheap shots against Christianity and never actualy to any values. Its so utterly boring and predictable and of course disrespectful.

I don't think you're in any position to talk about predictable and disrespectful.

[the truth]

I don't think you're in any position to talk about predictable and disrespectful.

touche and away

[Kizzy]

you dont know them and you lack the backbone to say that. even if you knew your own values it shows significant cowardice to refrain from sharing them. especially when youre so quick to criticize some beliefs and values yet havent the courage to state any of your own values and beliefs.

I do know them.
I don't wish to share them as they are private between me and whoever.
i don't wish to influence anyone one way or another.
I haven't criticised anyone, whatever you chose to believe is your business not mine.

[Ramsay]

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

[the truth]

I do know them.
I don't wish to share them as they are private between me and whoever.
i don't wish to influence anyone one way or another.
I haven't criticised anyone, whatever you chose to believe is your business not mine.

theres absolutely no point you being on here if you arent sharing your opinions

[Achilles]

I hate people. Religion is just one of many reasons. When the aliens invade I will be eating popcorn. Or if they don't/can't invade, I will just have to make do with WW3. The world will always be a sh..hole until religion, war, money is eradicated and humans evolve.

[the truth]

I hate people. Religion is just one of many reasons. When the aliens invade I will be eating popcorn. Or if they don't/can't invade, I will just have to make do with WW3. The world will always be a sh..hole until religion, war, money is eradicated and humans evolve.

hysterical twaddle

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes because people will never argue without Christianity will they? before Christianity there were wars , endless wars, if it ended there would be wars endless wars. Clearly you think Jesus was a nasty man preaching some kind of hate that somehow lead to wars. Can you please outline how you come to this conclusion and ignored all the preaching on love truth forgiveness redemption enlightenment? Or were you just playing to the crowd for cheap laughs?

no one is talking about war, i am talking about telling children the truth as best we know it an according to the best peer reviewed minds

[Crimson Dynamo]

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

then you are agnostic about fairies, leprechauns, unicorns, The Mighty God Zod, Bigfoot, Bagpuss and many other things

in fact we all are

[Crimson Dynamo]

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.


Its not by accident joey but by the laws of physics mainly and the chemical elements found in our universe. add that to a timespan that is almost incomprehensible and you will get life as we know it though natural selection.

and in time we will find that it has been replicated many, many times in the universe

[Niamh.]

I would say I'm agnostic, I don't know and I don't care. I live my life as good of a person as I can be because I like people, not for fear of being punished in the after life. Life is too short to waste on worshipping a God that may or may not exist imo

[Niamh.]

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

Pretty much how I think really

[Niamh.]

..I always think it's odd that 'non believers' spend so much time talking about something that can't be proved (because it's a faith) when they don't believe in things that can't be proved/bizarre....

well it's an interesting topic, don't you think? And for me personally, coming from a hugely Catholic country it's imposed itself on my life alot

[Kizzy]

theres absolutely no point you being on here if you arent sharing your opinions

I have given my opinion on religion.

[Northern Monkey]

Its not by accident joey but by the laws of physics mainly and the chemical elements found in our universe. add that to a timespan that is almost incomprehensible and you will get life as we know it though natural selection.

and in time we will find that it has been replicated many, many times in the universe

This^

[Kizzy]

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.

Basically if it says King James on the front throw it in the bin. :laugh:

[Achilles]

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[Marsh.]

A stand up routine from someone who doesn't actually understand 70% of what he's saying, is that supposed to contribute to the thread?

He seems to not understand the meaning of two little words; FREE WILL.