Passenger plane carrying 295 people shot down over Ukraine [No Survivors]

[Benjamin]

http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board

[Niamh.]

wow :/

[Northern Monkey]

I know!It was more than likely taken down by a missile,God knows why it was flying anywhere near that area.

[Benjamin]

Apparently it was shot down?

[Northern Monkey]

Malaysia not having much luck with planes,think they should stick to sailing.

[Samm]

oh no -puts Malaysia of places to go in the future-

[Northern Monkey]

Speculation on BBC that it was taken down by a 'BUK' missile launcher by rebels thinking it was a Ukranian plane.

[Smithy]

:shocked:

[Sticks]

More likely the American CIA, so they can blame it on the Russians :shocked:

Well certain people blame America for everything, why not this?

[Sticks]

Apparently all airlines flying near Ukrainian airspace are legitimate targets.

This is aimed at destroying the Ukrainian national airline as well as denying air transport of any kind to Ukraine until it returns to Mother Russia.

[King Gizzard]

I've got a bad feeling about this

[Pete.]

:worry: :worry: :worry: wtf is happening

[Sticks]

Maybe this thread should be merged with this one (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246851)

[Locke.]

You have got to be kidding me

[Me. I Am Salman]

omg..

[Brother Leon]

Holy ****.

[Smithy]

489807688453210112

omg D:

[Pete.]

They're saying it wasn't actually shot down or if it was it was in error

[Ramsay]

oh **** off

[Smithy]

there's pictures of the bodies all over twitter :bored:

[Pete.]

there's pictures of the bodies all over twitter :bored:
how disrespectful

[Smithy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BswfeZJIEAATOPM.jpg:large

Someone posted this on Facebook 7 hours ago , it says "Should it disappear, this is what it looks like"

[Pete.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BswfeZJIEAATOPM.jpg:large

Someone posted this on Facebook 7 hours ago , it says "Should it disappear, this is what it looks like"
what :shocked:

[Benjamin]

Maybe this thread should be merged with this one (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246851)

No

[Northern Monkey]

I bet Putin will be face palming at these idiot rebels making him look bad.

[arista]

Apparently all airlines flying near Ukrainian airspace are legitimate targets.

This is aimed at destroying the Ukrainian national airline as well as denying air transport of any kind to Ukraine until it returns to Mother Russia.



Yes why did they fly into a war zone?

[arista]

Ben your titles wrong

It was shot down over a war zone

Ukraine needs to be on your mixed up title

[arista]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-v6djiOBqr9g/T2qLddsiadI/AAAAAAAAKR8/oo2ebKb5Dlk/s1600/+People%2527s+Liberation+Army+%2528PLA%2529+HongYi ng+6+%2528FN-6%2529+Shoulder-Fired+Air+Defence+Missile+FeiNu-6+%2528HongYing-6%2529++third-generation+man-portable+air-defence+missile+system+%2528MAPADS%2529+CNPMIEC+%2 5288%2529.jpg

[MeMyselfAndI]

This is terrible :(
Is there any chance anyone could have survived, like Vesna vulovic? :(

[Josy]

Shocking, all those people :sad:

[arista]

Fools to fly into a War Zone

[arista]

It gets worse.


23 Americans were on that plane.

USA TV News reporting (a group) they tweeted shot down a Russian
Cargo Plan - but it was this plane


It was 33,000 feet up
but a surface-to-air missile (SAM) can reach that


http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board

[Ninastar]

jesus christ!!

[arista]

Some were British
but amounts to be confirmed

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/17/article-2696161-1FBA790000000578-481_964x403.jpg

[arista]

Was MH17 flying through warzone to save fuel? Planes in area of crash site pictured flying away from Ukraine as questions are raised as to why they were travelling over country

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696321/Why-MH17-flying-warzone-European-safety-watchdogs-warned-against-flying-Ukraine-April.html#ixzz37klJqu2f


I hope this was not just save money on fuel

[Sticks]

I am wondering when the conspiracy theorists will come out and blame the American CIA, because Putin is such a nice guy, and so are the rebels.

Maybe they can get the guy behind Loose Change to do a video...

:rolleyes:

What has been said on the BBC it could have been rebels capturing abandoned equipment left behind when the Ukrainian army retreated. :eek:

[Redway]

Horrible news. Those poor people. :(

Ben you titles wrong

It was shot down over a war zone

Ukraine needs to be on your mixed up title

And your spelling is wrong.

[Sticks]

Was MH17 flying through warzone to save fuel? Planes in area of crash site pictured flying away from Ukraine as questions are raised as to why they were travelling over country

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696321/Why-MH17-flying-warzone-European-safety-watchdogs-warned-against-flying-Ukraine-April.html#ixzz37klJqu2f


I hope this was not just save money on fuel

Most airlines fly on a Great Circle route (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great-circle_navigation) which probably took it over the Ukraine. The BBC say they do this sometime without giving it a moment's thought.

[Pete.]

So it was the plane was not meant to fly over Ukraine.

Still awful for those people

[T*]

:worry:

[Novo]

The Whitehouse is on lockdown!!!!!!!

[Ninastar]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696457/BREAKING-White-House-placed-lockdown.html

[Benjamin]

The plane was not flying in restricted airspace. Many airlines still flew that part and have just rerouted.

[arista]

The plane was not flying in restricted airspace. Many airlines still flew that part and have just rerouted.



Yes saves cash

[arista]

sadly 6 British confirmed dead

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah,Apparently it keeps costs down for passengers,It's "like a big motorway between Europe and Asia" a more direct route which saves cost on fuel.It could've happened to any plane,That one was just unlucky.

[andybigbro]

Omg that's terrifying. :sad:

[Northern Monkey]

This https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtDy18Nk5I is a likely candidate for the weapon used

[Benjamin]

Was slim chance of there being any, but no survivors and the footage showed some of the dead including the children. :(

[Me. I Am Salman]

wow can you imagine. these people would have had friends/family that would have made a joke about them going on malaysian airlines, and to find out something actually happened..

[Drew.]

It's horrible looking on the facebook of the passenger that uploaded a photo of the plane before he went on. All the comments saying have a good time then a few hours later they are all saying rest in peace.

[Benjamin]

wow can you imagine. these people would have had friends/family that would have made a joke about them going on malaysian airlines, and for something to actually happen..

Yeah that happened a lot where I work.

[Benjamin]

It's horrible looking on the facebook of the passenger that uploaded a photo of the plane before he went on. All the comments saying have a good time then a few hours later they are all saying rest in peace.

Where is that? :(

[Drew.]

Where is that? :(

There is a link to his facebook on this article i was reading, had to translate it all though.

http://news.yahoo.com/passenger-makes-eerie-facebook-post-boarding-downed-malaysia-210211642.html

[Samm]

There is a link to his facebook on this article i was reading, had to translate it all though.

http://news.yahoo.com/passenger-makes-eerie-facebook-post-boarding-downed-malaysia-210211642.html

omg :sad:

[arista]

This https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtDy18Nk5I is a likely candidate for the weapon used



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/17/article-2696161-1FBACD1200000578-600_964x687.jpg

[MeMyselfAndI]

There is a link to his facebook on this article i was reading, had to translate it all though.

http://news.yahoo.com/passenger-makes-eerie-facebook-post-boarding-downed-malaysia-210211642.html

omg :(

[Ninastar]

god his fb is heartbreaking...

its weird, but things like this make me realise how your life can end in an instant. not just yours but people you know/care about

posting on FB and not realising it might be the last thing you friends ever see you type

its such a strange thing to see

[Benjamin]

god his fb is heartbreaking...

its weird, but things like this make me realise how your life can end in an instant. not just yours but people you know/care about

posting on FB and not realising it might be the last thing you friends ever see you type

its such a strange thing to see

So true, you never know when the end is coming for you. :(

[MeMyselfAndI]

that has really creeped me out now, considering we're all typing right now

[Braden]

Such sad news.

R.I.P to those who lost their lives :sad:

[Jordan.]

Can't imagine how scared the passengers must have been, RIP :(

[Ninastar]

that has really creeped me out now, considering we're all typing right now

*has seizure*

[MTVN]

Awful news, and this is going to have scary consequences

Hope there are no knee jerk reactions before its confirmed for sure who was responsible

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323975/default/v1/daily-telegraph-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323976/default/v1/daily-star-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323982/default/v1/the-sun-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323983/default/v1/daily-mail-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323985/default/v1/the-guardian-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323986/default/v1/the-times-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323987/default/v1/daily-mirror-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323989/default/v1/the-i-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/17/323990/default/v1/the-independent-1-329x437.jpg

[Ninastar]

As much as I don't like him, the sun really need to shut up when they know nothing

[Me. I Am Salman]

the mirror and star having the same headlines :gabby:

[Bluerang1]

So horrible ):

[Achilles]

They can stick their BS propaganda up their arse

[Ramsay]

There is a link to his facebook on this article i was reading, had to translate it all though.

http://news.yahoo.com/passenger-makes-eerie-facebook-post-boarding-downed-malaysia-210211642.html

jesus that's awful. reading his friends saying have a good holiday and then the comments where they are panicing trying to figure out the guy's flight number :(

[Ammi]

..this is awful and sad, just people travelling where they needed to get to and thinking they would reach their destination and so heart-breaking for their families and friends...I guess there is only one certainty in life and that's 'now' because now can be taken away within the blink of an eye....

[Achilles]

Americans LOVE killing people more than any other people on the planet.
THEY are responsible, THEY are the evil ones.
AMERICAN BOMBS SLAUGHTERS MILLIONS THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST
MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN
Scum press, scum media and scum government. All egged on and supported by a great bunch of fine upstanding citizens.
The Americans shot down the plane to blame it on the Russians. They do it ALL THE TIME. They gas people in Syria, butcher people in Libya and murder their own. All for MONEY. Scum

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
reports Russia has the Blackbox
and its now in Moscow

[Northern Monkey]

SkyNewsHD
reports Russia has the Blackbox
and its now in Moscow

Yep.They will either
A.Blame it on Ukrainian army and deny all knowledge
Or
B.Blame it on the rebels and deny any association with them.

There are apparently bugged phone calls from the rebels saying that they shot a plane down at that time thinking it was a Ukrainian military cargo plane.

[King Gizzard]

The plane had 108 of the world's top/important AIDs researchers and activists on it who were heading to Melbourne for a conference

[reece(:]

Couple missed Malaysia Airlines flight that crashed because of lack of seats
British couple unable to get the Malaysia Airlines flight that crashed, killing almost 300 people, speak of "sick feeling" of escaping with young baby

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975021/Couple-missed-Malaysia-Airlines-flight-that-crashed-because-of-lack-of-seats.html

[arista]

Couple missed Malaysia Airlines flight that crashed because of lack of seats
British couple unable to get the Malaysia Airlines flight that crashed, killing almost 300 people, speak of "sick feeling" of escaping with young baby

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975021/Couple-missed-Malaysia-Airlines-flight-that-crashed-because-of-lack-of-seats.html


yes Lack of seats kept them alive

[BigSister]

Things like that are just like I cant really explain
But all the stories coming out of the victims are just so sad........ RIP to all that died

[BBfanUSA]

Russia is going to be in some deep ****. They're going to be hit hard with sanctions and they're not going to be happy.

Welcome to the new cold war my friends.

[Ninastar]

Americans LOVE killing people more than any other people on the planet.
THEY are responsible, THEY are the evil ones.
AMERICAN BOMBS SLAUGHTERS MILLIONS THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST
MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN
Scum press, scum media and scum government. All egged on and supported by a great bunch of fine upstanding citizens.
The Americans shot down the plane to blame it on the Russians. They do it ALL THE TIME. They gas people in Syria, butcher people in Libya and murder their own. All for MONEY. Scum

no need for an investigation everyone, because this guy clearly knows everything!!!!11

[Scarlett.]

Typical British press reaction of "Let's kill dem Russkies" without even considering that if we went to war with Russia we'd be ****ed.

[Samm]

The plane had 108 of the world's top/important AIDs researchers and activists on it who were heading to Melbourne for a conference

:(

[Sticks]

The plane had 108 of the world's top/important AIDs researchers and activists on it who were heading to Melbourne for a conference

Get ready for stories from a certain American church claiming this was righteous divine judgement against those who would stops God's pestilence on homosexuals :bored:

[arista]

The USA President (Live On All News)
does not run Russia



he is live now saying no more fighting
- What the feck are you on about

[Sticks]

- What the feck are you on about

Was that question aimed at me?

I was referencing that particular Baptist church that pickets military funerals.

The name of that church escapes me...

[arista]

Was that question aimed at me?

I was referencing that particular Baptist church that pickets military funerals.

The name of that church escapes me...



No the USA President
who was just Live on every news ch.


my post was nothing to do with yours

[arista]

[Russia Today reporter resigns in protest at MH17 coverage
Sara Firth criticises Kremlin-backed news channel’s ‘disrespect for facts’ in reports about Malaysia Airlines plane disaster]


thats a shame Sara was getting good reports


http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/18/mh17-russia-today-reporter-resigns-sara-firth-kremlin-malaysia

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/18/1405689124276/Sara-Firth-007.jpg

[Kazanne]

80 children dead too,terrible.those poor people.

[GypsyGoth]

It is such a tragic story. In a way I was hoping that it wasn't shot down, but it looks that way :sad:


And I find it baffling that planes were going over a country that was at war with itself and not only that, I think both sides were shooting down planes. I imagine if the passengers knew they were flying over a war zone, I think a fair few might have chosen to skip the flight.

[Sticks]

no need for an investigation everyone, because this guy clearly knows everything!!!!11

Maybe the Americans used a CIA spy plane to shoot down the airline on request from Israel, to not only put the blame on Russia but distract the world from Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people.

How could we not spot that....

Give it time, that rumour will soon be sweeping the internet, the source of all truth...

:bored:

[arista]

It is such a tragic story. In a way I was hoping that it wasn't shot down, but it looks that way :sad:


And I find it baffling that planes were going over a country that was at war with itself and not only that, I think both sides were shooting down planes. I imagine if the passengers knew they were flying over a war zone, I think a fair few might have chosen to skip the flight.


Its a short cut
loads fly over it,
that plane was the one
that looked like a Cargo Plane.

The SAM (surface-to-air missile) system can reach double that height
so its no good flying higher

at least now all planes are going around it

Amazing one couple took photos
of the plane before going to their death.

[arista]

Maybe the Americans used a CIA spy plane to shoot down the airline on request from Israel, to not only put the blame on Russia but distract the world from Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people.

How could we not spot that....

Give it time, that rumour will soon be sweeping the internet, the source of all truth...

:bored:


No it would be tracked
America would not be that stupid

[Z]

This will be the end of Malaysian Airlines. It might get bought over by another company and rebranded, but there is absolutely no way they're making it out of this I wouldn't have thought. Although the two incidents have nothing in common in terms of what happened, I think this is too great a PR disaster for them to overcome. This is tragic for everyone involved - the people who died, the people fighting for independence, the people fighting for unity, the people who run Malaysian Airlines, families all around the world... Awful.

[Smithy]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ede_1405650125

video of it apparently

[King Gizzard]

welp..I shouldn't have gone on LiveLeak..

[arista]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ede_1405650125

video of it apparently




Yes so High Up
easy to think it was a Cargo plane

The Nation is in a War

[King Gizzard]

how'd the guy even know when to film it

[arista]

This will be the end of Malaysian Airlines. It might get bought over by another company and rebranded, but there is absolutely no way they're making it out of this I wouldn't have thought. Although the two incidents have nothing in common in terms of what happened, I think this is too great a PR disaster for them to overcome. This is tragic for everyone involved - the people who died, the people fighting for independence, the people fighting for unity, the people who run Malaysian Airlines, families all around the world... Awful.



I would avoid that airline
so much bad luck.

[arista]

how'd the guy even know when to film it


Maybe near the area they Fire at the plane

[Jordan.]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ede_1405650125

video of it apparently

:worry::worry:

[Sticks]

No it would be tracked
America would not be that stupid

Not if it were a stealth aircraft...

Anyway, both on here and Facebook I have seen posters saying, or implying that it was the Americans who have done it.

[arista]

Not if it were a stealth aircraft...

Anyway, both on here and Facebook I have seen posters saying, or implying that it was the Americans who have done it.



loads make up bollocks


Stick to the Main TV News

[Ramsay]

how'd the guy even know when to film it

always wonder this when videos of stuff like this come out

[Northern Monkey]

An eye witness on Sky news said he saw people falling from the clouds,Now that would be scary if you were somehow still alive after the plane was hit.

[arista]

And Ch4News Live
reports they can not get near the Crash site
Guns are fired in the air.

The USA President is in a dream world

[Northern Monkey]

US senator considering new sanctions.

[Ninastar]

Jesus Christ, the idiocy

[Ammi]

http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/7/18/ff57b977-3954-4a6e-827a-740e746c04ba_800.jpg

Glenn Thomas, 49, a former BBC journalist, had been a media officer for the World Health Organisation in Geneva for more than a decade and was travelling to an International Aids Conference in Australia. Originally from Blackpool, he leaves behind his partner Claudio and sister Tracey. WHO spokeswoman Fadela Chaib said: "We have lost a wonderful person and a great professional. Our hearts are broken. We are all in shock."




http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/7/18/3aaf1c65-8c7e-4008-9645-1eba1b09fd99_500.jpg

Liam Sweeney, 28, was also travelling to see Newcastle United's pre-season tour and would have been known to many fans during his time volunteering as a steward on supporters' buses to away games, the club said. Andrew Phillips, 21, was a friend of Mr Sweeney and said: ''He was a spot on kid, no bother at all, it's such a sad day. I'm sure he'll be looking down on us and will be proud that he has a memorial on Sir Bobby Robson's statue."

[Samm]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ede_1405650125

video of it apparently

If that's it, just make me think how terrifying it must of been for the people :(

[AnnieK]

If that's it, just make me think how terrifying it must of been for the people :(

They probably would have been unconscious pretty quick due to the change in air pressure......no consolation for what was to come but I just hope they were pretty unaware. Absolutely horrific...RIP

[Ammi]

..it's always so hard for the people and loved ones left behind and trying to make sense of it all and come to terms with it all as to why a passenger plane was travelling over a warzone...

[arista]

Whats worse for 3 days dead bodies have been left out in the open
not covered
Just a flag next to them.

This is so wrong
by the time someone takes the dead away it will be decomposed

[Marc]

This story is awful :(

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/19/article-2697538-1FC8620300000578-98_964x641.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/18/1405699657860_wps_11_epa04321137_A_pro_Russian.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/18/1405698578761_wps_4_epa04321134_Personal_belo.jpg

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/18/1405699718519_wps_13_Ukraine_MH17_Graphic.jpg


They thought it was a Cargo Plane
Hi Tech Buk 9K37 tracks it bang on target

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/18/article-2696668-1FBAAC1000000578-584_634x419.jpg
amazing Evil HiTech Missles


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/18/324211/default/v1/the-times-1-329x437.jpg

[Z]

Any aircraft could have been unfortunate enough to be shot down... but it was a Malaysia Airlines plane that got shot down. You'd think after the tragedy earlier in the year they would be, of all airlines, so stringent about passenger safety that they would have been avoiding obvious death traps like flying over a country embroiled in a civil war... Madness...

[Jake.]

Tragic.. That vid is fake btw, apparently it was a US aircraft from over a year ago

[arista]

80 children in all were sadly on that plane


Ref:CNN America

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/19/324331/default/v2/the-times-2-329x437.jpg


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/19/324328/default/v2/observer-1-329x437.jpg

[lostalex]

who cares? oh yea, they are european and white, so we care. Europe doesn't really care though, just appeasement to the US, but they still want their Russian gas.

This isn't a mystery, this is Russia trying to control their gas pipelines. If their mercenary thugs have to shoot down a civilian aircraft, so what? they have pipelines to defend. Emperor Putin has defended his people at great expense, pity the Emperor for having to make such tragic decisions for his glorious people's interests. Putin is such a good man to his own people, always protecting their own interests.

All hail the Emperor.

[Sticks]

The conspiracy theorists has started

This is on Facebook

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10494865_10152595369854801_6069101706330556408_n.j pg

Link (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152595369854801&set=a.10150641525639801.405416.615629800&type=1&theater)

No surprise they have mentioned how this happened as Israel were making a land offensive against the Palestinians

:bored:

[arista]

[The conspiracy theorists has started]


yes they always do


Next.

[arista]

who cares? oh yea, they are european and white, so we care. Europe doesn't really care though, just appeasement to the US, but they still want their Russian gas.

This isn't a mystery, this is Russia trying to control their gas pipelines. If their mercenary thugs have to shoot down a civilian aircraft, so what? they have pipelines to defend. Emperor Putin has defended his people at great expense, pity the Emperor for having to make such tragic decisions for his glorious people's interests. Putin is such a good man to his own people, always protecting their own interests.

All hail the Emperor.

Hi Alex
nice to have you back

[Ammi]

..both black boxes have 'disappeared' so the conspiracies will continue and grow...

[GypsyGoth]

Welcome back Alex :love:

..both black boxes have 'disappeared' so the conspiracies will continue and grow...

I'm guessing they were the only things that could prove the plane was shot down.

[arista]

..both black boxes have 'disappeared' so the conspiracies will continue and grow...

No they have not


Its just there are 2 sides
and they are not going to work as one.

[Ammi]

Welcome back Alex :love:



I'm guessing they were the only things that could prove the plane was shot down.

..yeah, they will indicate what happened ...

No they have not


Its just there are 2 sides
and they are not going to work as one.

..ahh, that's what it said on the TV news this morning...hmmm, I can't remember which channel it was on...BBC1 I think....

[lostalex]

I dn;'t think the black boxes would show the plane was shot down. The black boxes just show the statistics of the plane's operating systems. how would the black boxes show it was hit by a missile?

The best proof of what happened to that plane is from US satellites that monitor the whole planet. Thats what Edward Snowden claims right? that the US can see and know everything? So do you believe Snowden or not? or do you only believe him when it suits you?

Honestly the US is in the best position to know what happened.

We couldn't tell what happened to the other malaysian airline because it was over an ocean, but because this was an explosion over a war zone, it makes sense that US satellites were monitoring the area.

[arista]

Qantas has not been flying over that zone
as they were aware of the Danger from the War,


Reported on Radio5

[lostalex]

and thanks for the welcome backs guys ;)

[Kizzy]

If the planes box records the operating systems were all functioning perfectly normally then obliterates around it in mid air, then it's not unusual to suspect there was an explosion.
The debris from the fuselage would show if the plane was damaged from the inside out or the outside in?

[Northern Monkey]

Conpspiracy loons will be all over this.New world order,WW3 yada yada yada....They don't miss a trick.

[lostalex]

Conpspiracy loons will be all over this.New world order,WW3 yada yada yada....They don't miss a trick.

I don't think it's even that complicated, just USA IS EVIL!!! USA IS TO BLAME!!!! USA IS CONTROLLING THE WORLD!!!


basically.

[arista]

[Two cabin crew refused to fly on doomed
plane over war zone safety fears: Senior pilots
and cabin crew flagged concerns about flight path weeks before tragedy]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698579/Two-cabin-crew-refused-fly-doomed-plane-war-zone-safety-fears-Senior-pilots-cabin-crew-flagged-concerns-flight-path-weeks-tragedy.html#ixzz380akrHec


Some knew this was going to happen soon

[Sticks]

I don't think it's even that complicated, just USA IS EVIL!!! USA IS TO BLAME!!!! USA IS CONTROLLING THE WORLD!!!


basically.

Well some seemed to find it suspicious this plane was shot down when Israel started their ground offensive and have connected these two events, as you can see from the earlier link :shocked:

[lostalex]

Well some seemed to find it suspicious this plane was shot down when Israel started their ground offensive and have connected these two events, as you can see from the earlier link :shocked:

yes, i realize some simple minded IDIOTS think it's crazy that actually 2 wars can be going on at the same time in this gigantic world. because to them everything is just happening on a computer screen. The world is much bigger and more complex than the simple minded NECKBEARDS on the internet realize. That is not shocking.

It's sad how easily influenced most people are. That's why I still trust the government over the ****ing MORONS i encounter all the time on the internet. I wouldn't even trust most people online to roll down the windows when they leave their dog in the car, so why the **** would i trust them with information? Most people are ****ing idiots. the older i get, the more i realize how stupid people are.

Most people are are ****ing stupid. Anyone that is still defending Putin, is a ****ing idiot. seriously. (hate me, I'm american)

if i have to trust Anonymous or the US government? i trust the US government.

[Sticks]

The Washington Posts (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/07/18/a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-webs-many-mh17-conspiracy-theories/) take on conspiracy theories

[lostalex]

The Washington Posts (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/07/18/a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-webs-many-mh17-conspiracy-theories/) take on conspiracy theories

that gave me a good laugh. people really need to get a ****ing grip. i guess if i watched RT, and spent my time on conspiracy websites all day i would believe some that **** too.

honestly there are some people on this forum that still believe in the 9/11 conspiracies.

That being said, i'm not being too harsh or judgmental, i do think there are some very credible UFO cases. :) (seriously, i do think there are some credible ones)

[BBfanUSA]

Hi, Alex.

LOL, those conspiracy theorists are nutty.

[arista]

"World power shot the plane down to start World War III."


Yes Sticks
make a great Movie.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/20/1405865464885_wps_31_A_rescue_worker_walks_acr.jpg

One of the black boxes
under Pro Russian control
they will only hand over to the proper international team
not the Ukraine group.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/20/1405858948895_Image_galleryImage_Diagram_showing_p lacement.JPG

[Kizzy]

Russian leader Vladimir Putin has finally agreed to speak to David Cameron tonight - three days after 10 Britons were killed by Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine.
Mr Cameron is expected to urge Mr Putin to grant international investigators access to the crash site immediately, following a joint ultimatum by Britain, France and Germany this afternoon.
The leaders of Europe's three most powerful countries, who spoke on the phone this morning, said they were 'ready' to increase economic pressure on Russia if it did not deliver access by Tuesday.
It came after the Prime Minister attacked European leaders for being too soft on Mr Putin. Mr Cameron accused the EU showing a lack of 'resolve' in refusing to face up to Russia and suggested the world was now paying the price. Mr Cameron also likened the crisis to Europe's appeasement of Hitler in the 1930s.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698917/It-time-stop-appeasing-Putin-resolve-Cameron-Hammond-warns-EU-veiled-dig-Merkel.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698846/Pro-Russian-rebels-agree-hand-MH17-black-boxes-over.html

[Sticks]

Good job there were no Americans on the plane as given historical precedent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucitania) the ICBM's would be flying

[lostalex]

Good job there were no Americans on the plane as given historical precedent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucitania) the ICBM's would be flying

There was 1 American.

[MTVN]

There's no need for conspiracies - ultimately this was a tragic accident, caused by lack of expertise with the equipment, lack of adequate flight tracking systems and so forth, and the fact that a commercial airline flew through a warzone where planes had been shot down in the last few days

The sooner hands are held up to admit this is a terrible error of judgement, the sooner that tensions can be eased

[lostalex]

There's no need for conspiracies - ultimately this was a tragic accident, caused by lack of expertise with the equipment, lack of adequate flight tracking systems and so forth, and the fact that a commercial airline flew through a warzone where planes had been shot down in the last few days

The sooner hands are held up to admit this is a terrible error of judgement, the sooner that tensions can be eased

You forgot to mention the part about pro-russian separatists trying to take more Ukraine land by the most violent means possible...

[MTVN]

Not really relevant that is it, shooting down a civilian airline affiliated to nobody in the conflict would hardly help their cause in that if so

[lostalex]

Not really relevant that is it, shooting down a civilian airline affiliated to nobody in the conflict would hardly help their cause in that if so

I'm pretty sure it's very relevant because this wouldn''t have happened if it wasn't for them and their ****ed up agenda...I'm pretty sure if it weren't for the Russian militias in the area everyone on that flight would have landed safely....

so yea, it's a pretty important point to mention dude.

[Nedusa]

Dont be so certain Russia is the cause of this, there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Besides until the facts and gathered and investigations are complete no one should be taking sides in a political slanging match.

We should have more respect for the victims and their families at this sad time.




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[Livia]

What sickened me almost as much as the act of shooting down a civilian plane and then allowing the bodies to lay where they fell for days, was the pictures of the empty camera cases, wallets and purses where the "militia" had robbed the people they'd just killed.

[Nedusa]

Yes ............it's a sad fact that looting has been widespread, as the debris from this plane covers a very large area.

Not reported much in media but this ghoulish behaviour has been spotted since the day of the crash.




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[Sticks]

I am surprised that the rebels did not play their trump card, they could have held on to the bodies and the flight data recorders until the foreign governments persuaded Kiev to capitulate to the rebels and allow them everything they want, so they can join Mother Russia, and to quash any ideas of sanctions against Mother Russia.

[Z]

I am surprised that the rebels did not play their trump card, they could have held on to the bodies and the flight data recorders until the foreign governments persuaded Kiev to capitulate to the rebels and allow them everything they want, so they can join Mother Russia, and to quash any ideas of sanctions against Mother Russia.

I think the "oh ****, what have we done" response overrode any such scheming, they didn't have time to be clever, these aren't generally speaking calculating, trained professionals who are fighting this civil war, it's every day people doing the dirty work. Freedom fighters, if you will. Sad stuff.

[Livia]

I think the "oh ****, what have we done" response overrode any such scheming, they didn't have time to be clever, these aren't generally speaking calculating, trained professionals who are fighting this civil war, it's every day people doing the dirty work. Freedom fighters, if you will. Sad stuff.

"Freedom Fighters" gives them an air of romance that reality denies them.

My guess is that Mother Russia has a very firm hand on their tiller.

[arista]

Yes but Putin never told them to do this.

[lostalex]

Yes but Putin never told them to do this.

No one has ever claimed that he specifically told them to shoot down this specific airliner. No one is saying that.

That doesn't mean that he doesn't have plenty of responsibility for this situation though.

[Northern Monkey]

Well i think it has alot to do with Russia since it is a high probability that the Russian military supplied and trained these "seperatists" to use these mobile S.A.M sites.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/06/four-suspects-to-be-prosecuted-for-downing-mh17-flight/

4 suspects to be prosecuted for downing MH17 flight

3 of suspects are russian and 1 is ukrainian


this investigation has taken so long, and it's conclusion being what i was already thinking, russian separatists who aide ukrainian rebels in or near crimea


hope the victim's families can now finally get some closure, not very nice of our parliament and the investigation board to bring this up many times and it taking so damn long for them to find out who was responsible

[Sticks]

You mean it was not an American CIA Black ops to down a jet, any jet and blame it on the Russians? :shocked:

I thought the proof of that was out there on the internet :bored:

[Twosugars]

We knew all along. Now the Russians will blame anybody but themselves
Like with Chernobyl which according to the upcoming Russian TV series was the fault of a CIA agent.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/07/russian-mh17-witnesses-face-deportation-after-asylum-claim-is-dismissed/

russian MH17 witnesses face deportation after asylum claim is dismissed


Two Russian witnesses in the MH17 case are facing deportation from the Netherlands after the Dutch immigration service turned down their request for asylum.

The couple fled to Amsterdam in 2016 after being harassed by the Russian security services, the Volkskrant reported. Their ordeal is said to have begun when the woman overheard her boss celebrating the downing of the plane in a telephone conversation on the day of the crash.

Nearly 300 people died when the airliner was brought down over Ukraine on July 17, 2014, on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, two-thirds of whom were Dutch citizens.

A joint investigation team (JIT) including Dutch police and prosecutors has concluded it was hit by a BUK missile fired by pro-Russian separatist forces. Three Russian military officers and one Ukrainian are currently on trial in the Netherlands accused of causing the crash and murdering everyone on board.

The couple testified to the JIT in 2019 about a conversation at work on the day of the crash. The woman, given the name ‘Jelena’ by the Volkskrant, said she overheard her manager in his office talking excitedly about a plane crash.

When she later asked him what had happened, he replied that ‘the rebels’ had successfully brought down an aircraft ‘with a Buk missile.’ After it became clear that the plane was a passenger airliner, he told her to forget the conversation.

Embezzlement claims

In subsequent months Jelena’s husband, named as Igor, was accused of embezzling company money, detained in a cell for a weekend and interrogated by agents from the Russian security service FSB.

Jelena was visited at home by security agents who asked about her ex-boyfriend, who was involved in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, and her links to Russian opposition groups. In 2016 the couple flew to Amsterdam and claimed asylum.

The IND dismissed Jelena’s claim partly because she only told Dutch authorities what she knew about MH17 more than two years after arriving in the country. Jelena said she was worried that information she shared with the IND might not be secure.

The official from the JIT also stressed that she should keep the details of her testimony secret, the Volkskrant reported. But an asylum judge upheld the IND’s ruling and said Jelena and Igor should be deported to Russia.

IND ‘ignorance’

Intelligence experts quoted by the newspaper challenged the IND’s judgment that the couple’s story was ‘not credible’, as well as its conclusion that Jelena and Igor were not at risk of persecution by the FSB if they returned home.

‘I recognise all too clearly the naivety, or rather the ignorance, of the Dutch authorities when it comes to understanding these power games,’ an anonymous former intelligence agent said. ‘I suspect there is a real chance that something could happen to this couple even in the Netherlands.’

Another source close to the investigation told the newspaper that it was rational for Jelena to assume that her safety would be jeopardised if she told the IND what she knew about the crash. ‘That story is not safe with the IND,’ the person told the Volkskrant.

The couple’s lawyer is looking to start a new asylum application. The IND and the prosecution service declined to comment on the details of the case.

[arista]

Yes send them to Russia

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/01/dutch-argue-russian-state-is-accountable-for-mh17-before-human-rights-court/

The European Court of Human Rights held a hearing about Russian culpability for crimes in Eastern Ukraine, including the downing of flight MH17 on Wednesday.

Together with Ukraine, the Netherlands faced off against Russia before the Strasbourg-based rights court over who was in control of the region of Eastern Ukraine in July 2014, when Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down, killing all 298 aboard.

‘My government has committed itself to the pursuit of truth, justice and accountability for the victims of the downing of Flight MH17 and their next of kin,’ Babette Koopman, the Netherlands agent at the court, told the 17-judge panel. The Netherlands filed a complaint with the court in 2020.

Russia has denied any involvement in the crash, instead claiming that the disaster happened in Ukraine territory and was likely committed by the Ukrainian military. ‘We cannot be held responsible for what happened outside our territory,’ said Russian representative Mikhail Vinogradov. The case hinges on whether or not Russia had ‘effective control’ of the area during the time of the crash.

Unlike in the ongoing criminal trial in the Netherlands, where four men have been charged with supplying the Buk missile that prosecutors say shot down the plane, the Russian state itself can be held responsible at the ECHR. The proceedings don’t have an effect on the criminal trial in The Hague, which opened in March 2020 and is ongoing. Prosecutors have asked for a life sentence for all of the men.

The European Convention on Human Rights, which created the court in 1959, allows countries to bring complaints against other states, although such cases are rare. There have only been 20 in the court’s history. Some 8,500 individuals harmed by Russian involvement in Eastern Ukraine, including around 400 brought by the relatives of the people on board the flight.

[UserSince2005]

298 murdered and nothing was done, shame on the EU.

[arista]

European Court
now to look into this shooting down of this flight

Nickys Netherland
to take it on.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnU_4fSXkAEB5He?format=jpg&name=small