Is Chris an insincere person trying to win the public over in the DR?

[Yaki da]

That's how he comes across to me sometimes.

[Kazanne]

No , Chris is the only sane one in there , the voice of reason , a decent man with a brain and morals and so deserves to win.

[Yaki da]

No , Chris is the only sane one in there , the voice of reason , a decent man with a brain and morals and so deserves to win.

Seems smarmy to me.

[mrflibble]

No, I just think he feels he can't really speak honestly to most of the housemates and needs somewhere to vent. He's a reserved person, so doesn't want the confrontation and he's also a polite person, so doesn't feel the need to get in people's faces or upset them. That doesn't mean he doesn't have opinions or feelings though and the diary room is the place for him to let those out.

[lily.]

I love Chris. I think he's the most genuine person in there.

[Josy]

I love Chris. I think he's the most genuine person in there.

Definitely this.

He says so much stuff both in the DR and to his mates in there that I would say myself, normally he is spot on with his judgement on the other housemates too.

[Yaki da]

I think he's a con artist personally. Always be wary of the people in the diary room

[Shaun]

I love how every HM who just goes to the diary room whenever they have a niggling problem is seen as sly or cowardly... like, can you honestly say that every time something happens you don't like you immediately jump in and make your voice heard? You never stew on it for a few days and say it behind someone's back?

I can only imagine trying to reason with Helen/Steven is like trying to teach a donkey to cook an omelette. I wouldn't want to have to tell them every time they do something I find objectionable either because:
a) I'd be nominated immediately
and b) I'd be talking 24/7.

[MrWong]

His opinions on the other hm's are spot on.

I like him.

[Yaki da]

I love how every HM who just goes to the diary room whenever they have a niggling problem is seen as sly or cowardly..

They NEVER are. The diary room is the one place you can be a bitch without a problem. Chris is clever enough to know this.

[Lister of Smeg]

His Wisdom is unparalleled he is feeding the the fools crums at his feet and they devour it with great gusto :smug:

[Shaun]

They NEVER are. The diary room is the one place you can be a bitch without a problem. Chris is clever enough to know this.

You literally just made a thread about it, so...yeah... they are...

[mrflibble]

They NEVER are. The diary room is the one place you can be a bitch without a problem. Chris is clever enough to know this.
I don't see what the problem is. Why is it a good idea to bitch where there would be a problem? We've seen him talking to Ashleigh and Danielle about stuff a few times, and we probably don't get to see a lot more, so it's not as if he saves it all for the DR. Not everyone wants to cause problems and get into arguments, I would imagine I would also go to the DR to let off steam a lot just because I wouldn't be able to trust people in there. I love how restrained he is though, I'm quite reserved like him but I'm quick to anger and would likely end up losing it with the rest of that lot which wouldn't be any good for anyone. The fact that he takes himself away from all of that and saves it for private time in the DR is one of the things that makes him so obviously genuine and sincere.

I'm slightly biased with Chris because I'm friends with some of his friends so I know how they are and by extension have some knowledge of Chris, but I think is just a genuinely nice person.

[icecakes]

He,s a right misery, always moaning,he should marry ashleigh :joker:

[Heaven = Winner]

I like his opinions, but there's something about him that I really don't care for :/

[Yaki da]

You literally just made a thread about it, so...yeah... they are...

Yes, but I am in the minority here.

I think there is something of the politician about him. I remember when Nick Clegg supposedly won the debate against David Cameron and Gordon Brown. He won it by looking down the camera lens and making people feel like he was talking to them at home. Chris does all of his bitching and character assassination in the diary room and I think there's something a bit insincere about it.

[Yaki da]

I don't see what the problem is. Why is it a good idea to bitch where there would be a problem? We've seen him talking to Ashleigh and Danielle about stuff a few times, and we probably don't get to see a lot more, so it's not as if he saves it all for the DR. Not everyone wants to cause problems and get into arguments, I would imagine I would also go to the DR to let off steam a lot just because I wouldn't be able to trust people in there. I love how restrained he is though, I'm quite reserved like him but I'm quick to anger and would likely end up losing it with the rest of that lot which wouldn't be any good for anyone. The fact that he takes himself away from all of that and saves it for private time in the DR is one of the things that makes him so obviously genuine and sincere.

I'm slightly biased with Chris because I'm friends with some of his friends so I know how they are and by extension have some knowledge of Chris, but I think is just a genuinely nice person.


I just wonder if what he's doing is essentially trying to manipulate the audience. That's what the diary room is for.

[MrWong]

Yes, but I am in the minority here.

I think there is something of the politician about him. I remember when Nick Clegg supposedly won the debate against David Cameron and Gordon Brown. He won it by looking down the camera lens and making people feel like he was talking to them at home. Chris does all of his bitching and character assassination in the diary room and I think there's something a bit insincere about it.

Not true. He has similar chats with Ashleigh, Danielle and Christopher.

[karezza]

He's a creepy fake but he isn't evil like Ashleigh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would respectfully suggest op that you may be a poor judge of character

[MrWong]

He's a creepy fake but he isn't evil like Ashleigh.

:umm2:

[Yaki da]

I would respectfully suggest op that you may be a poor judge of character

Possibly. But I think someone needs to sound the alarm on this guy a bit.

What Bianca said tonight about him and Helen for example...

"I was worreid you were going to take Helen away from me"

Vomit inducing.

[Me. I Am Salman]

@Lily @Josy he's clearly not the most genuine one in there, lol. helen is far more honest and real than chris.. she just goes about it in a way you don't like. shouldn't let your hatred for her cloud your judgement.

personally i don't mind him on the whole but he has a bit of a superiority complex about him.

[mrflibble]

Possibly. But I think someone needs to sound the alarm on this guy a bit.

What Bianca said tonight about him and Helen for example...

"I was worreid you were going to take Helen away from me"

Vomit inducing.
Well he did spend 5 weeks trying to get her to actually talk and listen to him. It obviously takes him a long time to open up to people and he'd finally gotten to that point and then Biannca came in and tried to stir trouble and take everyone back to week 1. I think that's what he would've meant by that.

[Josy]

@Lily @Josy he's clearly not the most genuine one in there, lol. helen is far more honest and real than chris. don't let your hatred for her cloud your judgement.
personally i don't mind him on the whole but he has a bit of a superiority complex about him.

:umm2: Have you ever read my posts about Helen? I defend her a lot on here.

[rusticgal]

Christ is totally genuine....he is very perceptive and he sees things for what they are. His analogy of people and their behaviour is spot on and he is so calm about everything.
He has backtracked on a couple of things and I think he does that as part of his gameplan....

He so deserves to win...

[Yaki da]

Christ is totally genuine....he is very perceptive and he sees things for what they are. His analogy of people and their behaviour is spot on and he is so calm about everything.
He has backtracked on a couple of things and I think he does that as part of his gameplan....

So he backtracks as part of a gameplan? How is that "totally genuine"?

[Me. I Am Salman]

:umm2: Have you ever read my posts about Helen? I defend her a lot on here.
the rules prohibit discussing members so I don't tend to keep track on people's opinions as a precautionary measure, of course

my actual point still stands though. he's nice, but not the realest.

[Alf]

Yeh bored of Chris now

His head went in the DR, he looked like a bit of an oddball, and not in a humorous way.

[King Sing]

I think he's a con artist personally. Always be wary of the people in the diary room

Well put. It's been clear from day one like a bunch of other house mates.

No one here will agree with you until it's verified because they can't think for them selves. :dance:

[billy123]

No.
Chris has a brain on top of his shoulders and that seems to make some people feel a bit insecure.
Not everybody is at the level where they can only find entertainment in slags who wave their tits about or miserable little tramps who sit in corners bitching.

Chris is one of the most entertaining and witty people in the house.

[waterhog]

down to earth - feet on ground and humble - even when they said to him he apoligiesed which i don't feel he needed to.


i like chris.

[GypsyGoth]

I like Chris a lot, he is like one of us in a way. He watches the show from the inside and comments about it in the DR.

[Yaki da]

Another thing I would add... Let's say someone came into the house in BB1 and exposed Nasty Nick for what he was, a total sham. Would Chris have defended Nasty Nick? Would he have spoken about the unfairness of it all?

Why do people think Danielle was above and beyond being exposed for what she was? She pretended to be something she wasn't to the very people she was close to. That's not a good person, and it's something that was worth them hearing.

[Yaki da]

No.
Chris has a brain on top of his shoulders and that seems to make some people feel a bit insecure.
Not everybody is at the level where they can only find entertainment in slags who wave their tits about or miserable little tramps who sit in corners bitching.

Chris speaks very highly of that "miserable little tramp". So is he wrong about her?

And he sits in the diary room bitching down a camera lens to the audience, behind people's backs, rarely ever standing up for what he supposedly believes is right in the actual house.

[Patricia4]

I like Chris and he was spot on with what he said tonight.

[Yaki da]

I like Chris and he was spot on with what he said tonight.

What was he spot on about? He was wrong about Danielle. It was quite right for her to be exposed for what she was.

[mrflibble]

What was he spot on about? He was wrong about Danielle. It was quite right for her to be exposed for what she was.
No it wasn't. And it's not right that it's ok for her to be exposed and not Helen. If one person is allowed to be exposed, then they all should be. Their outside lives are irrelevant and as Chris said, he's judging her on the person she is in the house and as the person he lives with (as they should).

[Yaki da]

No it wasn't.

Why not? Would you have objected to Nasty Nick being exposed as someone who didn't have a wife who died in a car crash?


And it's not right that it's ok for her to be exposed and not Helen.

Why does everything come back to Helen? Forget Helen for a moment, Danielle was a fraudulent character and we all knew that.


If one person is allowed to be exposed, then they all should be. Their outside lives are irrelevant and as Chris said, he's judging her on the person she is in the house and as the person he lives with (as they should).

How are their outside lives irrelevant? Is the fact Nick didn't have a wife that died in a car crash and he only said that to make himself sympathetic to the others irrelevant? Was it wrong for it to be revealed that Kim had a boyfriend and that she was withholding this important info from a man she was getting off with?

The person she was in the house was someone who was lying to him. And he wasn't interested in that. He was more interested in going to the diary room and putting on a performance.

[mrflibble]

I don't know who Nasty Nick is, but it's the same thing. And how come Helen should be forgotten about, but this Nasty Nick guy should be considered? They can come in as characters or themselves or whoever and that's all they should be judged on by the people in the house. Outside info should only be revealed at their discretion. It's supposed to be about a bunch of people in a house with no contact with the outside world, so yes, their outside lives are irrelevant unless they want them to be otherwise.

[Yaki da]

I don't know who Nasty Nick is, but it's the same thing.

Okay, so someone coming in and exposing the original Big Brother villain for what he is would have been wrong.


And how come Helen should be forgotten about, but this Nasty Nick guy should be considered?

Helen is not being forgotten about. She is just irrelevant to what was going on with Danielle.

They can come in as characters or themselves or whoever and that's all they should be judged on by the people in the house. Outside info should only be revealed at their discretion. It's supposed to be about a bunch of people in a house with no contact with the outside world, so yes, their outside lives are irrelevant unless they want them to be otherwise.

Their outside lives are essential to understanding whether or not they are honest people in the house. It has always been that way. Nasty Nick started Big Brother off with all the controversy surrounding him and the lies he was telling such as having a wife that died in a car accident to make himself a more sympathetic figure. He was a manipulative person who the public turned against, but he was hugely popular in the house with the others.

Danielle was as much of a liar as he was. She was a total sham and continued to be one in the face of being exposed as such.

Helen is just a nasty piece of work. But not a sham.

[Lister of Smeg]

What was he spot on about? He was wrong about Danielle. It was quite right for her to be exposed for what she was.

One thing he's spot on about a lot of them very nasty they are and only pretend to like each other because they dont want to be put up for Eviction .

[Yaki da]

One thing he's spot on about a lot of them very nasty they are and only pretend to like each other because they dont want to be put up for Eviction .

And then he goes back to them and pretends to be their friend himself...

[JTM45]

It's a good thing that there's still enough decent people that can see Chris for the kind-hearted, decent and intelligent man he is and will support him 'til the end and hopefully help him win.:thumbs:
Saying he's "weak" because he's not a super-confident, abrasive, in your face person is a joke.:bored: Different people have different personalities and handle situations accordingly and thank god for that or we'd all be confrontational gobsh*tes like Helen!

[Lister of Smeg]

And then he goes back to them and pretends to be their friend himself...

Who does he pretend to be friends with ? Other than Ashleigh and Christopher whom I doubt he was referring to when he said there are nasty individual's in the house .

[Yaki da]

It's a good thing that there's still enough decent people that can see Chris for the kind-hearted, decent and intelligent man he is and will support him 'til the end and hopefully help him win.:thumbs:
Saying he's "weak" because he's not a super-confident, abrasive, in your face person is a joke.:bored: Different people have different personalities and handle situations accordingly and thank god for that or we'd all be confrontational gobsh*tes like Helen!

Yes, and his way of handling situations is to go to the diary room and assassinate people's characters. It's not about being "in your face" like Helen. I don't agree with that either. I just want to know why Chris is not being held to account for what seems to me to be rather duplicitous behaviour.

[Yaki da]

Who does he pretend to be friends with ? Other than Ashleigh and Christopher whom I doubt he was referring to when he said there are nasty individual's in the house .

What was it Bianca said he had said about Helen... "I was worried you were taking Helen away from me again"

Why didn't he stand up for what he thought was right with Danielle? He could have done it in the calm and measured way he does other things, but instead we just see him in the diary room ranting behind people's backs

[delta]

He's a normal person and stating the obvious, yes there is a lot of fakery going on, come on just like Danielle, he went in there so new what he was about to face and the type of wannabee personality that he would come up against.


Yeah, he's playing a game, but he's not the biggest game player I will leave that for the little sh!t bag Mark. How the hell he is sneaking under the radar is beyond me. He is one that would certainly blow if the heat was turned up on him.


Edited to say:


How fcuking cringeworthy was that 'Blue Moon' song to camera in the garden??? Has to be the most blatant, cringe of the series.

[Lister of Smeg]

It's a good thing that there's still enough decent people that can see Chris for the kind-hearted, decent and intelligent man he is and will support him 'til the end and hopefully help him win.:thumbs:
Saying he's "weak" because he's not a super-confident, abrasive, in your face person is a joke.:bored: Different people have different personalities and handle situations accordingly and thank god for that or we'd all be confrontational gobsh*tes like Helen!

Absolutely Chris has Ashleigh and Christopher to talk who will support each other unlike Helen and her cronies who throw weak links under the bus when there no longer useful Marlon can a test to this .

[JTM45]

Chris has actually explained in some detail why he does some of the things he does in the way he does them and it all makes sense.
The majority of the things he says in the DR are spot-on! He's the best judge of personality and character in there by a long way.

[mrflibble]

Their outside lives are essential to understanding whether or not they are honest people in the house. It has always been that way. Nasty Nick started Big Brother off with all the controversy surrounding him and the lies he was telling such as having a wife that died in a car accident to make himself a more sympathetic figure. He was a manipulative person who the public turned against, but he was hugely popular in the house with the others.

Danielle was as much of a liar as he was. She was a total sham and continued to be one in the face of being exposed as such.

Helen is just a nasty piece of work. But not a sham.
I just feel that it's not really that important. If they lie, the public will see it and they're the ones ultimately making the final decision. Helen is relevant because her whole prostitute/Wayne Rooney past is being kept hush and yet Danielle is exposed at every chance. I know there are probably legal reasons for the former, but there's no need to expose any of their personal lives. I understand wanting justice for the people in the house to know who they're dealing with, but it's just outside manipulation that I don't think is necessary. And they're not really lies that are that hurtful (this Nick guy sounds like a bit of a dick though). I don't like Danielle for lying, I don't like Kim for lying and I don't like Helen for lying but it's their prerogative to do so and keep whatever they want to themselves and in the long run it's only hurting their characters.

[smudgie]

He is playing the game very well.

He has every one of them sussed, he probably does deserve to win as his game does not involve nastiness etc, and he is great at analysing everything and putting his points across in the DR with a great wit.

Not so sure we are actually seeing who the real Chris is though, he is a pretty good actor but his mask slipped ever so slightly when they were shown the vid of the newbies and told they were coming in.

Yeah, I can see him as a worthy winner.

[Yaki da]

I just feel that it's not really that important. If they lie, the public will see it and they're the ones ultimately making the final decision.

Yes, we know that. But Chris used what happened with Danielle as a way of promoting himself. And it worked.

Helen is relevant because her whole prostitute/Wayne Rooney past is being kept hush

It's irrelevant to any judgement about Danielle's character. Is it unfair? Maybe. But this is about Chris and his attitude towards Danielle being revealed as the fraud she was. He was disinterested. He saw an opportunity to go and give another winning diary room performance, which worked out well for him as people are now cheering him on. But put it under scrutiny and it begins to not look so good.


and yet Danielle is exposed at every chance.

2 times it happened with Danielle. Once in a task by BB and then Bianca telling others. Steven's mum exposed Kim. Ashleigh has had conversations and diary room entries played back.


I know there are probably legal reasons for the former, but there's no need to expose any of their personal lives. I understand wanting justice for the people in the house to know who they're dealing with, but it's just outside manipulation that I don't think is necessary. And they're not really lies that are that hurtful (this Nick guy sounds like a bit of a dick though).

Portraying yourself as something you're not to people who have put their trust in you is a hurtful thing to do.


I don't like Danielle for lying, I don't like Kim for lying and I don't like Helen for lying but it's their prerogative to do so and keep whatever they want to themselves and in the long run it's only hurting their characters.

Is Helen lying? To me, she's just a cow. Kim has definitely lied and we rightly judge her badly for it. Danielle, the same.

It's as though people have no objective standard of right and wrong and just base their opinions on what this person does for them.

[Kazanne]

No.
Chris has a brain on top of his shoulders and that seems to make some people feel a bit insecure.
Not everybody is at the level where they can only find entertainment in slags who wave their tits about or miserable little tramps who sit in corners bitching.

Chris is one of the most entertaining and witty people in the house.

What a great and accurate post:clap1:

[Yaki da]

What a great and accurate post:clap1:

Which didn't answer any of the points being made.

[Kazanne]

Which didn't answer any of the points being made.

I thought bobNot answered it excellently,some agree ,others don't.

[Lister of Smeg]

Which didn't answer any of the points being made.

You have seemingly ignored points by other poster throughout this thread that dont fit you're agenda .

[starry]

I suppose he might have some contradictions but that's hardly unusual. I prefer him as he has a brain unlike someone vacuous and empty like Winston.

[Yaki da]

You have seemingly ignored points by other poster throughout this thread that dont fit you're agenda .

I haven't. I've answered all of them.

[joeysteele]

I have come to like Chris,he seems the only one in there more level headed and his summing up of Biannca was spot on too.

[Tarryn]

I would rather watch Chris talking about the other housemates in the Diary Room than watching Biannca getting naked or Steven slobbering over Kim.
If he were to tell the housemates to their faces what he really thinks of them he would be jumped on like a pack of wolves.
He was totally right last night. They are two-faced.
Chris is just playing an intelligent game.
Mark is playing the "Look how stupid I am, I don't have the brains to play the game so love me for being real" game.
Steven is playing the "I'm so rich I should win BB as I don't need the money & am better than you" game.
It is a game show. Chris is playing it well but that does not mean he is fake.

[Razor]

Chris is my fav. Awesome housemate it's just a shame we don't see much of him.

[Yaki da]

I would rather watch Chris talking about the other housemates in the Diary Room than watching Biannca getting naked or Steven slobbering over Kim.

Yeah, that's great. But it doesn't speak to any point being made about him using the diary room to manipulate the public.

If he were to tell the housemates to their faces what he really thinks of them he would be jumped on like a pack of wolves.
He was totally right last night. They are two-faced.

So is he.

Chris is just playing an intelligent game.

So they're two faced but he's playing an intelligent game. Righteo.


It is a game show. Chris is playing it well but that does not mean he is fake.

I'm afraid it does. Worse than that... He's being two faced with the other housemates and he's being manipulative with the public.

[rubymoo]

I really like Chris.

I think everything he's said about the others is spot on, and i like the way he tries to comfort others when they're upset, i loved what he said about Danielle in the diary room too.

He comes across as a great guy, a worthy winner imo:)

[Tarryn]

Yeah, that's great. But it doesn't speak to any point being made about him using the diary room to manipulate the public.



So is he.



So they're two faced but he's playing an intelligent game. Righteo.



I'm afraid it does. Worse than that... He's being two faced with the other housemates and he's being manipulative with the public.

Why do you think he is manipulating people ?.
He is speaking the truth about the other HM's isn't he ?.

[Yaki da]

Why do you think he is manipulating people ?.
He is speaking the truth about the other HM's isn't he ?.

Looks more like attempts to assassinate other peoples character without them having a chance to reply and it's being done during a performance in the diary room designed to endear himself to the public.

There's something two faced and disingenuous about it.

[Yaki da]

I really like Chris.

I think everything he's said about the others is spot on, and i like the way he tries to comfort others when they're upset, i loved what he said about Danielle in the diary room too.

He comes across as a great guy, a worthy winner imo:)

What he said about Danielle was BS... He essentially said "I don't care what the actual truth is. I am only interested in how Danielle presents herself to me"

It's like someone saying "I don't care if Nasty Nick made up that his wife died in a car accident, he's seem like a decent honest chap to me"

[Tarryn]

Looks more like attempts to assassinate other peoples character without them having a chance to reply and it's being done during a performance in the diary room designed to endear himself to the public.

There's something two faced and disingenuous about it.

And the others are total Angels who have never been two-faced or tried to turn HM's against each other have they (?)

[Daffodil]

Chris makes some good, intelligent, observant points in the diary room. But I am very wary of his tendency to 'snobbishness', his VT in which he dismissed all his future housemates saying he would sit in a corner and call them bastards. His hugs at times seemed very forced. His art work is brilliant (was on BBOTS the other night) BUT very gruesome, sad and surreal. Not the sort of stuff to make you feel uplifted anyway :(

[Ellen]

He seems like an ok-ish bloke but i do find him hypocritical saying the others were two faced when he is just as bad.
For the last few weeks he has sat with Danielle & Ashley bitching about other HM's but then critises others for bitching but denies he does this when it has been shown.
He seems to pride himself on how he as sussed out the HM's but the one who he spoke so highly of in the diary room nominated him so maybe not such a good judge.

[Yaki da]

And the others are total Angels who have never been two-faced or tried to turn HM's against each other have they (?)

We're talking about Chris. Not the others.

[Yaki da]

Chris makes some good, intelligent, observant points in the diary room. But I am very wary of his tendency to 'snobbishness', his VT in which he dismissed all his future housemates saying he would sit in a corner and call them bastards. His hugs at times seemed very forced. His art work is brilliant (was on BBOTS the other night) BUT very gruesome, sad and surreal. Not the sort of stuff to make you feel uplifted anyway :(

I agree with everything you say. I'm just trying to make people a little more wary of this guy.

[Tarryn]

We're talking about Chris. Not the others.

So you are holding Chris to a higher standard ?. Why ?.

[Yaki da]

So you are holding Chris to a higher standard ?. Why ?.

Of course I'm not. If you want to a start thread discussing the faults of others, then by all means do so and I'll probably agree with a lot of what is being said.

But this constant deflection away from the topic under discussion is just that. It's not a question of whether Chris is better or worse than anyone else, just a question about his character.

[Jake.]

It's as though people have no objective standard of right and wrong and just base their opinions on what this person does for them.

That's exactly how it should be. It's an entertainment show, not 'Who Do You Think You Are'. Judging them as housemates and as they are on the outside are two completely different things. Helen shouldn't be judged for being an ex-hooker for example

[Tarryn]

Of course I'm not. If you want to a start thread discussing the faults of others, then by all means do so and I'll probably agree with a lot of what is being said.

But this constant deflection away from the topic under discussion is just that. It's not a question of whether Chris is better or worse than anyone else, just a question about his character.

But we were talking about his character.
I think he is a genuine & nice guy who does not like confrontation so vents his feelings in the "Safer" environment of the Diary Room. That's what it is there for.

[Jake.]

Chris is an actor, and for all we know, he could be the biggest twat outside... But it doesn't matter, because they shouldn't be judged as outside people (I know Chris is probably a really nice bloke but you get my point)

[Yaki da]

But we were talking about his character.
I think he is a genuine & nice guy who does not like confrontation so vents his feelings in the "Safer" environment of the Diary Room. That's what it is there for.

It's also there to put on a performance in front of a camera, knowing full well that you are essentially communicating with the public.

It's "safe" alright. It's safe from other people being able to defend themselves against his catty comments or assassinations of their characters.

What you call "safe" could be perceived as, at best, weak and at worst, something quite manipulative.

[Yaki da]

Chris is an actor, and for all we know, he could be the biggest twat outside... But it doesn't matter, because they shouldn't be judged as outside people (I know Chris is probably a really nice bloke but you get my point)

Again, they should be judged for who they are, based on all the info we have. Simple as that.

[Jake.]

Again, they should be judged for who they are, based on all the info we have. Simple as that.

Disagree, doesn't bother me in the slightest what they do on the outside

[Tarryn]

It's also there to put on a performance in front of a camera, knowing full well that you are essentially communicating with the public.

It's "safe" alright. It's safe from other people being able to defend themselves against his catty comments or assassinations of their characters.

What you call "safe" could be perceived as, at best, weak and at worst, something quite manipulative.

So you don't like him. I get it. Don't vote for him then.
I don't like Steven. I think he is a total twat who loves himself & is clearly lying about how much money he has. So it's safe to say I don't want him to win.
Chris is the only housemate I feel is speaking what I'm thinking.
I don't think any less of him for saying it in the diary room and not to the other HM's.
This years group has been the nastiest bunch of people I have ever seen on this show. He is just being sensible by keeping his mouth shut.

[Yaki da]

Disagree, doesn't bother me in the slightest what they do on the outside

So tell me then your reaction Nasty Nick making up that he had a wife who died in a car accident to make himself a more sympathetic character to this fellow housemates.

Does it not bother you what the actual truth is?

[Beastie]

I like Chris. I find him interesting. Would be nice if he ends up winning.

[Yaki da]

So you don't like him. I get it. Don't vote for him then.
I don't like Steven. I think he is a total twat who loves himself & is clearly lying about how much money he has. So it's safe to say I don't want him to win.
Chris is the only housemate I feel is speaking what I'm thinking.
I don't think any less of him for saying it in the diary room and not to the other HM's.
This years group has been the nastiest bunch of people I have ever seen on this show. He is just being sensible by keeping his mouth shut.

Apart from in the diary room where he's all mouth before he goes back to being friendly with the "nastiest bunch of people" ever seen on this show.

I guarantee no woman would get away with it.

[Tarryn]

Apart from in the diary room where he's all mouth before he goes back to being friendly with the "nastiest bunch of people" ever seen on this show.

I guarantee no woman would get away with it.

Nothing wrong with being polite.

[Jake.]

So tell me then your reaction Nasty Nick making up that he had a wife who died in a car accident to make himself a more sympathetic character to this fellow housemates.

Does it not bother you what the actual truth is?

I was only 5 in 2000 so I didn't watch/can't really comment. But no, the truth doesn't bother me whatsoever, because it's a game show and they are playing to win. These aren't my friends, I don't know them and I'll never see them once the show is over,

[Yaki da]

I was only 5 in 2000 so I didn't watch/can't really comment. But no, the truth doesn't bother me whatsoever, because it's a game show and they are playing to win. These aren't my friends, I don't know them and I'll never see them once the show is over,

Why are you even bothering to defend Chris then?

[Yaki da]

Nothing wrong with being polite.

So he's polite, but others are two faced...

[Tarryn]

So he's polite, but others are two faced...

Yep :dance:

[Jake.]

Why are you even bothering to defend Chris then?

Because I've watched Chris and don't think he's a bad person in the slightest

[Yaki da]

Yep :dance:

Unattractive, sofly spoken white man = Polite

Attractive woman = Two faced.

[Yaki da]

Because I've watched Chris and don't think he's a bad person in the slightest

He's disingenuous.

[Jake.]

He's disingenuous.

Of course he is

[Tarryn]

Unattractive, sofly spoken white man = Polite

Attractive woman = Two faced.

Nope, Ash is just as two-faced as the rest of them.
If you hate Chris so much then don't watch him.

[Livia]

I like Chris. He doesn't let every half-baked thought that pops into his head, spill out of his mouth with no filter of tact. I suppose that might make some people think he isn't completely open. There are plenty of people in there who think that 'being upfront' means voicing every single thought, no matter how hurtful or ridiculous it is. Chris, for me, is the one relatively normal person in there.

[Yaki da]

Nope, Ash is just as two-faced as the rest of them.

I think he is one of the more genuine people in the house actually. Just a bit of a bore and immature.

If you hate Chris so much then don't watch him.

I don't hate him that much. I just think people should be more wary of him, before they vote for the smugster to win.

[Yaki da]

I like Chris. He doesn't let every half-baked thought that pops into his head, spill out of his mouth with no filter of tact.

Yes, he saves it for his latest diary room performance where he and the viewers watching him get to feel morally superior to everyone else.

[Tarryn]

[QUOTE=Yaki da;7071979]I think he is one of the more genuine people in the house actually. Just a bit of a bore and immature.



Yeah, calling another housemate a maggot & taking the piss out of their weight.........................What a genuine guy (!).

[Livia]

Yes, he saves it for his latest diary room performance where he and the viewers watching him get to feel morally superior to everyone else.

He's entitled to do that. BB asks him questions, he answers. I doubt he imagines that everything is says is broadcast. Other housemates do the same. You can't possibly know he feels morally superior unless you have access to this thoughts, that's just your own perception based on the fact that you don't like him.

[mrflibble]

I like Chris. He doesn't let every half-baked thought that pops into his head, spill out of his mouth with no filter of tact. I suppose that might make some people think he isn't completely open. There are plenty of people in there who think that 'being upfront' means voicing every single thought, no matter how hurtful or ridiculous it is. Chris, for me, is the one relatively normal person in there.
:clap2:

[Tarryn]

He's entitled to do that. BB asks him questions, he answers. I doubt he imagines that everything is says is broadcast. Others housemates do the same. You can't possibly know he feels morally superior unless you have access to this thoughts, that's just your own perception based on the fact that you don't like him.

:clap1:
Chris is a quiet guy who would not be heard by the others even if he did choose to speak up.
Seeing him in the Diary room is the best we can get of him.
I enjoy listening to his observations.

[Yaki da]

He's entitled to do that. BB asks him questions, he answers.

They sound pre-prepared to me. And he can answer those questions however he likes. He doesn't have to put on the show he does.


I doubt he imagines that everything is says is broadcast. Other housemates do the same. You can't possibly know he feels morally superior unless you have access to this thoughts, that's just your own perception based on the fact that you don't like him.

He slagged them all off for being fake whilst in the diary room before going back and getting along with all of them himself.

[Kazanne]

I think we are all mature enough to make our minds up on who we like, I like him,be happy for him to win

[Jake.]

You know that the diary room is there for people to unload, right? Or would you rather they all dicuss what they had for breakfast instead?

[Yaki da]

You know that the diary room is there for people to unload, right?

Yes, it's there to put on a show for the viewers. It's there to manipulate people's thoughts and get them on side. It's there to assassinate people's character to the public without them having a chance to defend themself. Something Chris does very well.

One question is why are people who do the more natural thing of going off with a friend and having a bitch regarded as nasty and two faced, whilst someone who choose to go to the diary room and bitch about others to the viewing audience regarded so highly. There's a phoniness about it all.

[Livia]

They sound pre-prepared to me. And he can answer those questions however he likes. He doesn't have to put on the show he does.




He slagged them all off for being fake whilst in the diary room before going back and getting along with all of them himself.

In response to your first comment, sounding pre-prepared to you means nothing. Again, it's just your perception because you don't like him, coupled with the fact he's intelligent and eloquent, which would make him stand out in there.

Secondly, they are mostly fake. Would you have preferred him to lie? And then he went back into the house and got on with it, tactfully, without creating yet another boring, shallow bitchfest. I would see where you were coming from if every single other housemate had not, at one time or another, bitched about other people in the diary room and behind their backs. But they ALL do it.

[Yaki da]

Secondly, they are mostly fake. Would you have preferred him to lie? And then he went back into the house and got on with it, tactfully, without creating yet another boring, shallow bitchfest. I would see where you were coming from if every single other housemate had not, at one time or another, bitched about other people in the diary room and behind their backs. But they ALL do it.

He seems to do this a lot more than the others though and I think viewers should be wary of him. My suspicion of him really goes back to the speech he gave when up for the chop with the lads, in front of the girls. I thought there was something very strange about a man pouring his heart out like that in that situation.

[Jake.]

Yes, it's there to put on a show for the viewers. It's there to manipulate people's thoughts and get them on side. It's there to assassinate people's character to the public without them having a chance to defend themself. Something Chris does very well.

One question is why are people who do the more natural thing of going off with a friend and having a bitch regarded as nasty and two faced, whilst someone who choose to go to the diary room and bitch about others to the viewing audience regarded so highly. There's a phoniness about it all.

So in other words, he's doing what the diary room requires him to do...

[Livia]

He seems to do this a lot more than the others though and I think viewers should be wary of him. My suspicion of him really goes back to the speech he gave when up for the chop with the lads, in front of the girls. I thought there was something very strange about a man pouring his heart out like that in that situation.

Most viewers are intelligent enough to make up their minds. What you mean is, viewers should agree with you.

He's different from the other "lads" in that, he isn't a "lad". He may have been genuinely pouring his heart out, he may have been acting. In any case, it saved him. It's a game.

[Yaki da]

So in other words, he's doing what the diary room requires him to do...

The diary room doesn't require anything of anyone. Hence no one being anywhere near as bad (or good depending on POV) as him.

[Yaki da]

Most viewers are intelligent enough to make up their minds. What you mean is, viewers should agree with you.

He's different from the other "lads" in that, he isn't a "lad". He may have been genuinely pouring his heart out, he may have been acting. In any case, it saved him. It's a game.

Ah okay. So any level of manipulation or insincerity is always to be defended with this line.

[Jamesy]

I like Chris. He does what I would do in that house pretty much, spill the truth tea in the diary room and keep relatively to myself in the house.

I hate it when people come out with the "I say it to their face", it's pretty much just them saying "I shout and blurt out like a chav". Why should Chris say what he says in the diary room to peoples' faces? They will just seclude him and be even more horrible than they already are. It's not bitchy, not insincere, not rude, it's just common sense and Chris is doing just that.

[Livia]

Ah okay. So any level of manipulation or insincerity is always to be defended with this line.

You think the rest of them are sincere? Are you kidding me? They are all playing a game and they're all desperate to win. Otherwise, what's the point of taking part? What about Winston's performance in the same task you mentioned? Your opinion of Chris is based solely on the fact that you don't like him, so it's blinding you to the faults of the others.

[Jake.]

You think the rest of them are sincere? Are you kidding me? They are all playing a game and they're all desperate to win. Otherwise, what's the point of taking part? What about Winston's performance in the same task you mentioned? Your opinion of Chris is based solely on the fact that you don't like him, so it's blinding you to the faults of the others.

Exactly, we were promised ruthless characters yet people seem to cry at the very thought

[Livia]

I like Chris. He does what I would do in that house pretty much, spill the truth tea in the diary room and keep relatively to myself in the house.

I hate it when people come out with the "I say it to their face", it's pretty much just them saying "I shout and blurt out like a chav". Why should Chris say what he says in the diary room to peoples' faces? They will just seclude him and be even more horrible than they already are. It's not bitchy, not insincere, not rude, it's just common sense and Chris is doing just that.

Totally agree, Jamesy.

[JTM45]

Your opinion of Chris is based solely on the fact that you don't like him, so it's blinding you to the faults of the others.

Well said Liv! :thumbs:

That's pretty much all this thread is and it's getting really stale now! He's done another one hating on Danielle.:sleep:

[Josy]

What was he spot on about? He was wrong about Danielle. It was quite right for her to be exposed for what she was.

Chris wasn't 'wrong' about Danielle, what he said was he judged her as the Danielle he knew in the house which is a great way of looking at things instead of being ate up with curiosity about the outside world and what if's when there is nothing any of them can do/find out about it whilst in the house anyway.

Of all the people to accuse of being insincere I would never think of Chris to be one of them.

Hmmm some could think you are trying for a character assassination on him because he is competition for other housemates. :smug:

Chris is old school BB IMO, a breath of fresh air between the fame hungry, nasty, miserable wannabes, that's why people like him.

[rubymoo]

What he said about Danielle was BS... He essentially said "I don't care what the actual truth is. I am only interested in how Danielle presents herself to me"

It's like someone saying "I don't care if Nasty Nick made up that his wife died in a car accident, he's seem like a decent honest chap to me"

I don't remember Danielle making up a dead person:smug:

[rubymoo]

Chris wasn't 'wrong' about Danielle, what he said was he judged her as the Danielle he knew in the house which is a great way of looking at things instead of being ate up with curiosity about the outside world and what if's when there is nothing any of them can do/find out about it whilst in the house anyway.

Of all the people to accuse of being insincere I would never think of Chris to be one of them.

Hmmm some could think you are trying for a character assassination on him because he is competition for other housemates. :smug:

Chris is old school BB IMO, a breath of fresh air between the fame hungry, nasty, miserable wannabes, that's why people like him.

Well said Josy:dance:

[anniemay]

No , Chris is the only sane one in there , the voice of reason , a decent man with a brain and morals and so deserves to win.
Couldn't agree more, love little Chris, intelligent, gentle, kind, and very funny. Check out some of his videos on youtube e.g http://goo.gl/oM41MI

[Marsh.]

Another thing I would add... Let's say someone came into the house in BB1 and exposed Nasty Nick for what he was, a total sham. Would Chris have defended Nasty Nick? Would he have spoken about the unfairness of it all?

Why do people think Danielle was above and beyond being exposed for what she was? She pretended to be something she wasn't to the very people she was close to. That's not a good person, and it's something that was worth them hearing.

:joker: Entirely different. Nick used emotional blackmail, lying about having a wife who died etc and then also breaking the rules of the game regarding discussing nominations.

Chris and Danielle never made any such sick lies on such an awful level and neither broke the rules of the BB game.

Two completely different scenarios.

[anniemay]

I love Chris. He makes some very shrewd observations in the Diary Room, which are often the most entertaining footage on BB. He is a funny Guy, have a look at some of his videos on youtube e.g. http://goo.gl/oM41MI

#bbchris @CHRISTOWINBBUK Go team Chris!

[Marsh.]

He slagged them all off for being fake whilst in the diary room before going back and getting along with all of them himself.

You do realise why it is called the "DIARY" room, right? It is supposed to be the place they are asked about their fellow housemates and are completely honest.

[Yaki da]

You do realise why it is called the "DIARY" room, right? It is supposed to be the place they are asked about their fellow housemates and are completely honest.

He looks like he relishes laying into them to me. You don't have to do that.

[Yaki da]

Chris wasn't 'wrong' about Danielle, what he said was he judged her as the Danielle he knew in the house which is a great way of looking at things instead of being ate up with curiosity about the outside world and what if's when there is nothing any of them can do/find out about it whilst in the house anyway.

And what he knew about Danielle was that she was on a show about web cam girls and that the new housemates had seen her do topless modeling shoots.

Seems to me he just wanted to put his fingers in his ears and pretend this has nothing to do with anything, when it is essential to understanding who the real Danielle was.

Of all the people to accuse of being insincere I would never think of Chris to be one of them.

I don't know why. His speech a couple of weeks ago when he poured his heart out to save himself from eviction was very strange in my opinion, and he does make some very cutting remarks about people in the diary room. He spoke about how false the party atmosphere was, but he's hardly an honest up front person himself.

Hmmm some could think you are trying for a character assassination on him because he is competition for other housemates. :smug:

All the housemates should be put under scrutiny. But heavy is the head that wears the crown.

Chris is old school BB IMO, a breath of fresh air between the fame hungry, nasty, miserable wannabes, that's why people like him.

He'd have fit in with Cameron on BB4 imo.

[Marsh.]

He looks like he relishes laying into them to me. You don't have to do that.

Everyone relishes being sat in that chair and having their say with no interruptions.

[Yaki da]

Everyone relishes being sat in that chair and having their say with no interruptions.

See, I just don't get the sense that the other Christopher does relish making cutting remarks.

[Marsh.]

See, I just don't get the sense that the other Christopher does relish making cutting remarks.

No, but he relishes being in the diary room when it is his time to sit there and have his say and guaranteed to be listened to by BB and answer questions. They all do.

It's why they all flee to the diary room during times of stress or after a particular falling out/argument because it's somewhere they can go to get their thoughts out properly, be listened to, not shouted over and have someone pay attention and ask them what they think.
It's all about them and their opinions when they're in the diary room.

They all love it.

[Josy]

Everyone of them relish being in the DR and saying what they really think

[Yaki da]

Everyone of them relish being in the DR and saying what they really think

I'll use the example of someone like Christopher who I think is a genuinely nice guy who doesn't say anything too unfair about anyone, at any time.

[Marsh.]

I'll use the example of someone like Christopher who I think is a genuinely nice guy who doesn't say anything too unfair about anyone, at any time.

Of course you think that..... you like him.

[Yaki da]

No, but he relishes being in the diary room when it is his time to sit there and have his say and guaranteed to be listened to by BB and answer questions. They all do.

Looks like he relished his time to sit there and put on a performance like he does on his youtube channel to me.


It's why they all flee to the diary room during times of stress or after a particular falling out/argument because it's somewhere they can go to get their thoughts out properly, be listened to, not shouted over and have someone pay attention and ask them what they think.
It's all about them and their opinions when they're in the diary room.

They all love it.

Some love it more than others, and some do so because they know they can be as cutting as they like in there without any fear that you'll be labelled a bitch or saying things behind people's backs. And it gives them a great chance above all else to communicate to the public.

[Yaki da]

Of course you think that..... you like him.

Either it's true, or it isn't. Can you give me an example of Christopher being unpleasant in the diary room?

[Josy]

I'll use the example of someone like Christopher who I think is a genuinely nice guy who doesn't say anything too unfair about anyone, at any time.

He does give his true opinions on what he thinks of the hm's though.

Danielle gave her opinions but in an OTT way as does Mark, Ashleigh gives her opinions pretty much in the same style as Chris does, Helen is just the same as the way she always is, Winston gives his opinions in there in a more stupid way and so on..

[Marsh.]

Either it's true, or it isn't. Can you give me an example of Christopher being unpleasant in the diary room?

I never said he has been unpleasant in the diary room. But Chris hasn't either.

[Marsh.]

Some love it more than others, and some do so because they know they can be as cutting as they like in there without any fear that you'll be labelled a bitch or saying things behind people's backs. And it gives them a great chance above all else to communicate to the public.

Yes, that's kind of the point of the diary room. It's named that for a reason.

[Yaki da]

I never said he has been unpleasant in the diary room. But Chris hasn't either.

Yes he has. He's made very cutting remarks that would be seen as bitchy and nasty had an attractive woman said them in the pod with Ashleigh & Danielle

[Marsh.]

Yes he has. He's made very cutting remarks that would be seen as bitchy and nasty had an attractive woman said them in the pod with Ashleigh & Danielle

Every single housemate has made "cutting" remarks about others. They wouldn't be human otherwise.

Bitching in groups behind housemates backs with one another is bitching. Being friendly to someone's face but bitching and turning other housemates against them is two faced.

Any of them sitting in the diary room and giving their opinion on housemates does not make them a bitch. We all think things about other people, we don't have to say it. But that is what the "diary" room is for, for them to spill their thoughts on the other housemates and the experience as a whole.

Big Brother is a social game, they are going to evaluate one another's personalities, especially when asked for those opinions by Big Brother.

Chris being asked for his thoughts on Helen and responding honestly is very different to dripping poison in all the housemates ears about Helen to turn them against her. He's also very complimentary and nice about the people he gets along with.

[psychtracker]

If Chris is 'witty' enough to win over the public via the diary room, good luck to him i say!

[Livia]

Everyone of them relish being in the DR and saying what they really think

There is nothing else to be said, really.

[Yaki da]

Every single housemate has made "cutting" remarks about others. They wouldn't be human otherwise.

Not like him in the diary room.

Bitching in groups behind housemates backs with one another is bitching. Being friendly to someone's face but bitching and turning other housemates against them is two faced.

Yes, and Chris does both of these things.

Any of them sitting in the diary room and giving their opinion on housemates does not make them a bitch.

Depends on they give their opinions. Chris clearly makes catty comments and has a good bitch.


We all think things about other people, we don't have to say it. But that is what the "diary" room is for, for them to spill their thoughts on the other housemates and the experience as a whole.

Yes, it's there for them to bitch and Chris does it better than anyone whilst in there.

Big Brother is a social game, they are going to evaluate one another's personalities, especially when asked for those opinions by Big Brother.

Chris being asked for his thoughts on Helen and responding honestly is very different to dripping poison in all the housemates ears about Helen to turn them against her. He's also very complimentary and nice about the people he gets along with.

He drips poison in the viewers ears about them without giving them any chance to defend themselves.

[Marsh.]

Oh dear.

[Yaki da]

There is nothing else to be said, really.

Well there is. Because clearly they don't all relish making cutting remarks in the DR as not all of them do it.

[Tarryn]

Well there is. Because clearly they don't all relish making cutting remarks in the DR as not all of them do it.

You seem to have a real personal problem with Chris ?.
Are you okay ?.
Maybe you need some help ?.
You seem quite obsessed with him ?.

[Josy]

He drips poison

FGS :laugh: