Isn't it time for Ashleigh to be given some real credit?

[Yaki da]

For the last 3 weeks she's had everything but the kitchen sink thrown at her and yet she has held it together remarkably well. I feel that she has been labelled an immature spoilt brat and that people have been so desperate to believe this they've blinded themselves from all the evidence to the contrary and failed to recognize what a strong person she is.

The fact is, for an 18 year old, she is very mature. She's in there with some nasty pieces of work, without any friends or family for support and yet she doesn't breakdown or cry much at all. On the contrary she seems to be unfazed by it. Further evidence of her maturity is the fact that she seems to be the person closest to the oldest and supposedly wisest housemate in there... Chris.

From the moment Toya was evicted, she decided to actually show some fighting spirit and try to get one of Helen's cronies up for eviction and bring some balance back to the house. She played the game, she manipulated the situation to her advantage and she did exactly what she was going to do. Had a man in her position done this I can't help but think he would have been cheered on and celebrated for challenging Helen's dominance, but because she is a pretty young blonde, some people turned violently against her and called her a sneaky bitch.

Thereafter they tried to set her up with the seance part of the murder mystery task which put a massive target on her back. Then her plan backfired when Matthew was evicted and there were huge chants of "Get Ashleigh Out". They then showed more footage of her conspiring and bitching in an effort to get the bust up they so desperately wanted between her and Helen & co. (including even bringing in the ghastly Judi James to lend her voice) and still she remained strong in the face of it all. She was put up for eviction and survived and over a week later she's still there after having lost another person she was close to.

The women on a series of Big Brother with the title "Power Trip" were never going to fare well, so isn't it about time people started praising one of the women for showing a bit of strength and determination in the face of all that's been thrown at her? She's weathered the storm, come out the other side and seems to made of steel.

[billy123]

Im sick to death of hearing ooo but she is 18 or "for an 18 year old"

http://i.imgur.com/xzQXQ.gif

[Marsh.]

Strength and determination of all that's been thrown at her? :joker:

Sorry, what?

[Kazanne]

Why,what's she done to get credit?

[jessicadanielle]

I absolutely agree, I have a lot of respect for Ashleigh. However, I do think the house has phased her slightly, in that she's put such a guard up that she doesn't seem to be able to let go and have much fun. She's succeeded in not letting the house get her upset and depressed too much, but it's a shame that this has come at the expense of having little fun and becoming slightly isolated.

Nevertheless, she's been a great hm so far and has shown a lot of integrity and independence, particularly for her age. I'm not surprised she's topping favourites polls. I'm hoping she's the last female standing, and would be really happy if she won

[MeMyselfAndI]

She's the classiest girl left in the house & the one with the most morals, she really is wise & acts well over her age :worship:

[Yaki da]

Strength and determination of all that's been thrown at her? :joker:

Sorry, what?

Like I said... Some people are blinding themselves from the evidence of what a strong character she is.

She's had half the people in the house and the eviction mob gunning for her. And remains unfazed.

[Kazanne]

Like I said... Some people are blinding themselves from the evidence of what a strong character she is.

She's had half the people in the house and the eviction mob gunning for her. And remains unfazed.

Chuck her a sausage.

[Josy]

Ashleigh can be as nasty as the others when she so chooses and we have all witnessed it, I have no idea why anyone would think she should be given any credit more than any of the others?

Is it because of her age? because that IMO is just a stupid excuse and she herself hates anyone bringing her age up, ALL of the housemates are in there with no friends or family support so that excuse doesn't wash either...

She also never got Ash put up he was already in that position she just manipulated the others enough to not save him, her big plan failed in the end anyway probably because of her sneaky bragging in the DR about it all

If anyone has had a lot of **** thrown at them then Danielle is the perfect example with everyone she had to cope with this week but again none of them should be given more credit than any other, they are all struggling in their own ways in there.

[MeMyselfAndI]

It's very different being a teenager and it being your first time away from home/moving out, It's a lot more stressful/nerve wracking, so I disagree Josy

[MeMyselfAndI]

She's also been on the receiving end of group attacks, she actually respects herself & her family and does not join in the countless sex talks like Helen, Ash, Steven, Winston, Zoe do, she deserves a lot of respect & is very kind and does not isolate other housemates like the one's I've mentioned before, she was there for Chris/Christopher when they were being isolated, she really is a great person :worship:

[Josy]

It's very different being a teenager and it being your first time away from home/moving out, It's a lot more stressful/nerve wracking, so I disagree Josy

It isn't her first time away from home, she travels a lot with her modelling.

She isn't the first young housemate to ever be in the house and even if she was she signed up for BB just like the rest of them and knew what to expect.

There is a housemate in there that actually has a child but no one is going to say she deserves more credit over any others.

All of them have their struggles why should Ashleigh be respected for coping more than the rest?

[Yaki da]

Ashleigh can be as nasty as the others when she so chooses and we have all witnessed it, I have no idea why anyone would think she should be given any credit more than any of the others?

I don't see how. The worst she says about the others is how disgusting they are or just dismisses them as assholes.

Is it because of her age? because that IMO is just a stupid excuse and she herself hates anyone bringing her age up, ALL of the housemates are in there with no friends or family support so that excuse doesn't wash either...

Her age obviously comes into any discussion about how mature she is. For her age she is clearly very mature. Iain Lee, for his age, is very immature.

She also never got Ash put up he was already in that position she just manipulated the others enough to not save him, her big plan failed in the end anyway probably because of her sneaky bragging in the DR about it all


If anyone has had a lot of **** thrown at them then Danielle is the perfect example with everyone she had to cope with this week but again none of them should be given more credit than any other, they are all struggling in their own ways in there.

Danielle had one task in which her starring in a web cam show was revealed. That was it... Ashleigh has had 3 weeks of the people closest to her being evicted, been chanted at by the mob, had half the house against her thanks to them playing back footage of her not once, but twice.

Despite all of this, she has remained strong. Can you really not give this girl any credit at all?

[Gusto Brunt]

She's the classiest girl left in the house & the one with the most morals, she really is wise & acts well over her age :worship:

Well said. She's adorable. :)

[Yaki da]

It isn't her first time away from home, she travels a lot with her modelling.

When she has a phone with and friends to talk to.

She isn't the first young housemate to ever be in the house and even if she was she signed up for BB just like the rest of them and knew what to expect.

There is a housemate in there that actually has a child but no one is going to say she deserves more credit over any others.

Why would we give her credit for going on BB when she has a child? Especially when that person has acted the way she has.

All of them have their struggles why should Ashleigh be respected for coping more than the rest?

Because she's actually had more thrown at her in the last 3 or so weeks. Helen by contrast has a free pass to the final. And Zoe has only just arrived.

[Marsh.]

Like I said... Some people are blinding themselves from the evidence of what a strong character she is.

She's had half the people in the house and the eviction mob gunning for her. And remains unfazed.

The poor little angel has put up with a lot... oh wait no she hasn't.

Give her a spud and a pat on the back.

[Josy]

I don't see how. The worst she says about the others is how disgusting they are or just dismisses them as assholes.



Her age obviously comes into any discussion about how mature she is. For her age she is clearly very mature. Iain Lee, for his age, is very immature.



Danielle had one task in which her starring in a web cam show was revealed. That was it... Ashleigh has had 3 weeks of the people closest to her being evicted, been chanted at by the mob, had half the house against her thanks to them playing back footage of her not once, but twice.

Despite all of this, she has remained strong. Can you really not give this girl any credit at all?

Omg :laugh:

Danielle had **** thrown at her from the minute the newbies arrived.

The closest person in the house to Ashleigh from the beginning has been Danielle and she only left last night so she's hardly lost the closest people to her.

She has said a lot more than other housemates are disgusting but I will leave you to it because you simply cannot see any negative comments said about her at all.

And to answer your question yes I can give her credit but no more than any of the other housemates because they are all struggling to cope in their own ways.

[Marsh.]

When she has a phone with and friends to talk to.


As does every other housemate. They are ALL cut off from their family/friends/outside world/media. I doubt any of them have done that before.

[Yaki da]

The poor little angel has put up with a lot... oh wait no she hasn't.

Give her a spud and a pat on the back.

See what I mean. These people cannot give her one bit of credit. :laugh:

[Livia]

I kind of like Ashleigh. Can't put my finger on why, exactly... but I like her.

[Yaki da]

As does every other housemate. They are ALL cut off from their family/friends/outside world/media. I doubt any of them have done that before.

Yes they are, but Ashleigh has also had as much thrown at her in the last 3 weeks as anyone. And her age does and should come into it. She has shown herself to be a very mature and strong girl. All of the other housemates credit her for being a strong minded person.

[Marsh.]

See what I mean. These people cannot give her one bit of credit. :laugh:

I can give her credit, as I can for the majority of housemates who are on this show for several months.

But this praise you seem to think she deserves... for no reason whatsoever other than you're a fan is ridiculous.

But everything you say has no rhyme or reason so I'm not surprised. :laugh:

[jessicadanielle]

There is a housemate in there that actually has a child but no one is going to say she deserves more credit over any others.

All of them have their struggles why should Ashleigh be respected for coping more than the rest?

Helen does deserve credit for sticking it out when she has a child at home, but the OP isn't about being in Big Brother, it's about all the **** Ashleigh's dealt with while being there. Helen (for example) hasn't had what she's said about other people played to other hms, and hasn't been shouted at because of it by someone older and a lot gobbier than her.

Also, the OP doesn't say Ashleigh deserves MORE credit than anybody else, just that they feel Ashleigh hasn't received the credit she's due for how she's behaved. Just cause Danielle also had a lot of **** doesn't belittle Ashleigh's reaction and behaviour.

[Marsh.]

Yes they are, but Ashleigh has also had as much thrown at her in the last 3 weeks as anyone. And her age does and should come into it. She has shown herself to be a very mature and strong girl. All of the other housemates credit her for being a strong minded person.

:joker::joker::joker:

Let's give her credit everyone. SHE'S OWWWNLAAAY ATE TEEEEN!!!

Well done Ashleigh, you've been alive 18 years. :clap1: Well done girl! Such an awesome housemate we can only praise her for when she was born.

[Yaki da]

I can give her credit, as I can for the majority of housemates who are on this show for several months.

But this praise you seem to think she deserves... for no reason whatsoever other than you're a fan is ridiculous.

But everything you say has no rhyme or reason so I'm not surprised. :laugh:

You haven't picked anything I've said apart at all. Do you disagree that she's had a lot thrown at her over the last 3 week? Do you disagree that she's held it together rather well?

Helen has a free pass to the final, most of her closest friends are still there and she rarely, if ever, has anything about her revealed to the others in the house. And even if she did, she would be safe.

Compare that to Ashleigh times in the house, particularly over the last 3 weeks.

[Josy]

Helen does deserve credit for sticking it out when she has a child at home, but the OP isn't about being in Big Brother, it's about all the **** Ashleigh's dealt with while being there. Helen (for example) hasn't had what she's said about other people played to other hms, and hasn't been shouted at because of it by someone older and a lot gobbier than her.

Also, the OP doesn't say Ashleigh deserves MORE credit than anybody else, just that they feel Ashleigh hasn't received the credit she's due for how she's behaved. Just cause Danielle also had a lot of **** doesn't belittle Ashleigh's reaction and behaviour.

I know the OP doesn't say she deserves more credit, my points were that the reasons they give for Ashleigh getting credit can be applied to most of the housemates, they have all dealt with crap since day one and none of them are more worthy than the others for sticking it out, being without friends and family and so on.

[rionablue]

Ummmmmmmm no she doesn't deserve any credit. She never confronted the people she bitched about i.e Helen and Kim about her problem with them and she has behaved like an old woman never looking as if she had any fun. And if that wasn't enough she is constantly saying she wants to go home which is a huge minus in my book as so many many people would have loved her position in the house. Ashleigh is a bitch

[Achilles]

10 Positives:
Beautiful
Elegant
Graceful
Funny
Caring
Adorable
Feminine
Well mannered
Ladylike
Sexy

Negative:
bitches about bitches sometimes :shrug:


Ashleigh FTW :cheer2:

[Yaki da]

:joker::joker::joker:

Let's give her credit everyone. SHE'S OWWWNLAAAY ATE TEEEEN!!!

Well done Ashleigh, you've been alive 18 years. :clap1: Well done girl! Such an awesome housemate we can only praise her for when she was born.

You don't think how a person deals with a situation at a certain age has any bearing on how mature that person really is? You think a 36 year old person is no different to an 18 year old?

You were the same person at both ages were you? You're a very strange person who seems to like using smiley's a lot but doesn't ever have much of an argument.

[Yaki da]

Ummmmmmmm no she doesn't deserve any credit. She never confronted the people she bitched about i.e Helen and Kim about her problem with them

what would be the point in confronting Helen with a problem? and Helen was well aware Ashleigh didn't like her. Helen regularly spoke of Ashleigh not giving her the time of day.

[Marsh.]

You haven't picked anything I've said apart at all. Do you disagree that she's had a lot thrown at her over the last 3 week? Do you disagree that she's held it together rather well?

Helen has a free pass to the final, most of her closest friends are still there and she rarely, if ever, has anything about her revealed to the others in the house. And even if she did, she would be safe.

Compare that to Ashleigh times in the house, particularly over the last 3 weeks.

Yes, I disagree.

If the only person you can think of who's "had it easier" than Ashleigh is Helen because of a free pass to the final then all I'll say is there are a load more housemates in there other than the two of them.

[Yaki da]

I know the OP doesn't say she deserves more credit, my points were that the reasons they give for Ashleigh getting credit can be applied to most of the housemates

Not to the same extent imo. You seem to be incapable of recognizing some people have had more thrown at them in the house than others and over the last 3 weeks, Ashleigh has been one of them.

[Yaki da]

Yes, I disagree.

If the only person you can think of who's "had it easier" than Ashleigh is Helen because of a free pass to the final then all I'll say is there are a load more housemates in there other than the two of them.

I was keeping with the girls. But the men, with the exception of Marlon over the last week and Christopher a couple of times have had it very easy.

[Marsh.]

You don't think how a person deals with a situation at a certain age has any bearing on how mature that person really is? You think a 36 year old person is no different to an 18 year old?

You were the same person at both ages were you? You're a very strange person who seems to like using smiley's a lot but doesn't ever have much of an argument.

I can't answer the first question, I've never been 36.

I'd offer an argument if you presented one in the first place. Just like your "fix" arguments, it's based on bias and no tangible facts whatsoever.

[NotAWannabe]

As does every other housemate. They are ALL cut off from their family/friends/outside world/media. I doubt any of them have done that before.


That is why it seems to me to be so unfair when twins or couples are part of the house. They have 'soul mates' in which to confide.

[Marsh.]

I was keeping with the girls. But the men, with the exception of Marlon over the last week and Christopher a couple of times have had it very easy.

So now Christopher has had it hard too? :laugh:

I'll end the discussion here.

[Marsh.]

That is why it seems to me to be so unfair when twins or couples are part of the house. They have 'soul mates' in which to confide.

I agree. I hate it when they put twins/partners/parents in although I did like Charlie and Jackie.

[Yaki da]

So now Christopher has had it hard too? :laugh:

He did in the first couple of weeks, yes.

[Josy]

Not to the same extent imo. You seem to be incapable of recognizing some people have had more thrown at them in the house than others and over the last 3 weeks, Ashleigh has been one of them.

Ashleigh isn't one of them IMO.

Ashleigh singled herself out and distanced herself from the rest of the group that was her choosing no one elses.

She came up with the plan to try getting another person out of the house and gloated about it in the DR, that's when she got the bad reaction again her own doing.

All she had 'flung' at her was the séance thing and her DR conversation and plan being revealed and then Helen and Kim calling her out on it afterward.

So yes I disagree that she is one of the housemates with a lot thrown at them

Jale
Chris
Danielle
Marlon

All had a **** load of stuff thrown at them by BB and the housemates.

[Kazanne]

See what I mean. These people cannot give her one bit of credit. :laugh:

Credit where credit is due and there is none due,sorry:bawling:

[Yaki da]

Let's make it about me and not the topic. :clap1: Almost as though you're struggling for material.

Well done, argument lost.

You're yet to actually respond to any point made yet. As per usual.

[Marsh.]

You're yet to actually respond to any point made yet. As per usual.

My first posts in the thread?

As usual I have to repeat myself in your threads. I shall no longer bother.

[Marsh.]

Ashleigh isn't one of them IMO.

Ashleigh singled herself out and distanced herself from the rest of the group that was her choosing no one elses.

She came up with the plan to try getting another person out of the house and gloated about it in the DR, that's when she got the bad reaction again her own doing.

All she had 'flung' at her was the séance thing and her DR conversation and plan being revealed and then Helen and Kim calling her out on it afterward.

So yes I disagree that she is one of the housemates with a lot thrown at them

Jale
Chris
Danielle
Marlon

All had a **** load of stuff thrown at them by BB and the housemates.

But she's onlaay ATE TEEEEN!!!!!

[Josy]

But she's onlaay ATE TEEEEN!!!!!

Silly me forgetting that

Glyn
Jennie
Sam
Amanda
Cairon
Alex

All 18 at the time of being in the house, never noticed them getting more credit than others.

[Yaki da]

Ashleigh isn't one of them IMO.

Ashleigh singled herself out and distanced herself from the rest of the group that was her choosing no one elses.

That's not why she had a target on her back. That was because of the various bits of footage being shown to the other housemates. Something that has happened to her more than any of them in the last couple of weeks.

She came up with the plan to try getting another person out of the house and gloated about it in the DR, that's when she got the bad reaction again her own doing.

And as I said, had a guy done what she did, he'd have almost certainly been cheered on.

All she had 'flung' at her was the séance thing and her DR conversation and plan being revealed and then Helen and Kim calling her out on it afterward.

And Judi James coming in to provide the language with which HMs could use to launch further attacks. She's also been up for eviction, had a hostile crowd reception and Helen ranting at her whilst supported by Kim... Despite this she has not broken at all. That takes some strength.

So yes I disagree that she is one of the housemates with a lot thrown at them

Jale
Chris
Danielle
Marlon

All had a **** load of stuff thrown at them by BB and the housemates.

I don't think Chris has had much thrown at him to be honest. Jale? I agree. Danielle? Only in the last couple of days. And she was much more a shrinking violet in the face of the attacks on her. Ashleigh proved to be much more resilient. And Marlon only had a bad time in his last few days, and he spent most of it just doing push ups from I can gather.

[Yaki da]

Silly me forgetting that

Glyn
Jennie
Sam
Amanda
Cairon
Alex

All 18 at the time of being in the house, never noticed them getting more credit than others.

None of them had anywhere near as much as Ashleigh thrown at them.

[Josy]

Of course they never, Ashleigh has practically survived the apocalypse in there :)

[Yaki da]

My first posts in the thread?

As usual I have to repeat myself in your threads. I shall no longer bother.

Your first post in this thread was...

Strength and determination of all that's been thrown at her?

Sorry, what?

No argument, no attempt to engage whatsoever. Just a piffy remark. Pathetic.

[Marsh.]

None of them had anywhere near as much as Ashleigh thrown at them.

Okay, no more going around the houses, no more being vague, please list as concisely as possible in bullet point form every single thing Ashleigh has had thrown at her that HASN'T affected the others? :)

[andybigbro]

I agree with Josy's points and I'm a fan of Ashleigh.

She doesn't deserve any more credit than the other housemates, her age is irrelevant. She's an adult and like the others can handle herself.

Also what has she had thrown at her that's means she deserves credit? :conf2:

[Yaki da]

Of course they never, Ashleigh has practically survived the apocalypse in there :)

Ah, resorting to exaggerating what has been said now.

[Yaki da]

I agree with Josy's points and I'm a fan of Ashleigh.


She doesn't deserve any more credit than the other housemates

Of course she does if more has been thrown at her than the others.


her age is irrelevant. She's and adult and like the others can handle herself.

I disagree with you entirely. When we judge how mature a person is we must take into consideration how old that person is obviously.

We are impressed by people who write symphonies. We are even more impressed by Mozart writing symphonies at the age of 9.

Why people think age doesn't come into how we judge people is beyond me.

[andybigbro]

Of course she does if more has been thrown at her than the others.




I disagree with you entirely. When we judge how mature a person is we must take into consideration how old that person is obviously.

We are impressed by people who write symphonies. We are even more impressed by Mozart writing symphonies at the age of 9.

Why people think age doesn't come into how we judge people is beyond me.

Yes because Mozart was a CHILD. Ashleigh is an ADULT, the same as Helen and the same as Ash etc.

She knew what the show was about and the tough times, if this was the case 18 year olds would not be allowed to enter. Her age is not relevant, and she should be treated like everyone else.

[Yaki da]

Okay, no more going around the houses, no more being vague, please list as concisely as possible in bullet point form every single thing Ashleigh has had thrown at her that HASN'T affected the others? :)

Everything affects others. But clearly she was the one who had a target put on her back after the seance and then moreso after footage being shown of her. She was also up for eviction after having heard a hostile reaction from the crowd and dealt with being the most likely to go very well. All of it when combined is a lot to deal with it.

[andybigbro]

Everything affects others. But clearly she was the one who had a target put on her back after the seance and then moreso after footage being shown of her. She was also up for eviction after having heard a hostile reaction from the crowd and dealt with being the most likely to go very well. All of it when combined is a lot to deal with it.

:umm2: umm Jale was up every week. Ash was booed immensely.

A lot of them have had "tough times"

Not just Ashleigh.

[fitz2k2]

she wont win

[Yaki da]

Yes because Mozart was a CHILD. Ashleigh is an ADULT, the same as Helen and the same as Ash etc.

Helen is 9 years older than Ashleigh. She's lived as an adult for a much longer time. Do you expect an 18 year old to be as mature as a 48 year old because they're both ADULTS? Do you really think it's irrelevant?

She knew what the show was about and the tough times, if this was the case 18 year olds would not be allowed to enter. Her age is not relevant, and she should be treated like everyone else.

Yes it is relevant. Age was relevant to Pauline behaving the way she did. It made her behaviour all the worse because she was in a position of authority because of it.

[Yaki da]

:umm2: umm Jale was up every week. Ash was booed immensely.

I've conceded that Jale had it tough.

A lot of them have had "tough times"

Not just Ashleigh.

I didn't say she was the only one. But I do think she has dealt with it extremely well.

[Marsh.]

Everything affects others. But clearly she was the one who had a target put on her back after the seance and then moreso after footage being shown of her. She was also up for eviction after having heard a hostile reaction from the crowd and dealt with being the most likely to go very well. All of it when combined is a lot to deal with it.

Footage shown of her bitching - like half the house.
The seance - lasted about 10 seconds and brought that on herself when she was seen lying through her teeth.
Up for eviction after hearing a hostile reception? Welcome to Big Brother, 90% of housemates deal with that.

Has she been singled out to receive that? No, that's what BB has become.

They all deserve credit for going into Big Brother. Ashleigh has no more to cope with than anyone else, free pass or no free pass.

[Josy]

:umm2: umm Jale was up every week. Ash was booed immensely.

A lot of em have had "tough times"

Not just Ashleigh.

Yeah this is the basic point I've been trying to make throughout the thread they have all had things to deal with throughout the show and all deserve the same credit, it's obviously difficult in there they are all alienated from the outside world and so on.

[Josy]

I've conceded that Jale had it tough.



I didn't say she was the only one. But I do think she has dealt with it extremely well.

I don't disagree with that but I think they all have, not just Ashleigh which is why I disagreed with you..and still don't think she should be given any more credit than the others.

[andybigbro]

Helen is 9 years older than Ashleigh. She's lived as an adult for a much longer time. Do you expect an 18 year old to be as mature as a 48 year old because they're both ADULTS? Do you really think it's irrelevant?



Yes it is relevant. Age was relevant to Pauline behaving the way she did. It made her behaviour all the worse because she was in a position of authority because of it.

No, because at 18, you're treated as an adult and are viewed as being old enough to deal with situations. If an 18 year old committed a crime, they would get the same sentence as a 48 year old. Because as an adult, you are treated the same.

[Yaki da]

Footage shown of her bitching - like half the house.
The seance - lasted about 10 seconds and brought that on herself when she was seen lying through her teeth.

After BB deliberately selected who would be "murdered" and focused on her conversations. They then set the seance up for her to be labelled all sorts. An then when it didn't result in the bust up they wanted, threw more at her the following week as well.


Up for eviction after hearing a hostile reception? Welcome to Big Brother, 90% of housemates deal with that.

Yes and in combination with other things going on, she dealt with it extremely well. Just like Hazel did every week last year.

Has she been singled out to receive that? No, that's what BB has become.

They all deserve credit for going into Big Brother. Ashleigh has no more to cope with than anyone else, free pass or no free pass.

Oh, a free pass doesn't help someone's time in the house now? Sorry, let me do what you do... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :joker: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[AarynGriesfan]

Of course they never, Ashleigh has practically survived the apocalypse in there :)

She did survive the Armageddon!

[Yaki da]

No, because at 18, you're treated as an adult and are viewed as being old enough to deal with situations. If an 18 year old committed a crime, they would get the same sentence as a 48 year old. Because as an adult, you are treated the same.

When it comes to punishing certain crimes, the judge would actually take the age of the person into consideration, obviously. And equality before the law doesn't mean you don't recognize that a 48 year old is going to be expected to be a more mature person than an 18 year old.

[Josy]

She did survive the Armageddon!

As did he rest of them that's in there :laugh:

[Yaki da]

I don't disagree with that but I think they all have, not just Ashleigh which is why I disagreed with you..and still don't think she should be given any more credit than the others.

Yes but saying they all do without making any distinction between what some of them have been through and what others have not is vacuous. clearly someone like Freddie during BB10 went through a tougher time than did Yorkshire Dave who came in late and was treated well. And whilst I do think it's been more equal here than that example, Ashleigh has been through a lot in the last 3 weeks.

[Josy]

Yes but saying they all do without making any distinction between what some of them have been through and what others have is vacuous.

I'm sorry but are you reading my entire posts?

I have given numerous reasons and points throughout the thread as to why I disagree with your opinion.

[Yaki da]

I'm sorry but are you reading my entire posts?

I have given numerous reasons and points throughout the thread as to why I disagree with your opinion.

Yes, but you're not making distinctions. You're just saying "They've all been through it" as though they are all having exactly the same experience. Clearly some people are having to cope with more than others, and Ashleigh in the last 3 weeks has had more to deal with than most.

[Kazanne]

Well this sycophancy is putting me right off her , even more .

[Yaki da]

Well this sycophancy is putting me right off her , even more .

I wonder what it is that makes people so unwilling to give her some credit. She really brings it out in some of you. :shocked:

[DigitalMethod]

She deserves a spot in the final 3 IMO.

[LukeB]

she deserves to win!

[Josy]

Yes, but you're not making distinctions. You're just saying "They've all been through it" as though they are all having exactly the same experience. Clearly some people are having to cope with more than others, and Ashleigh in the last 3 weeks has had more to deal with than most.

Jale was given the killer nomination, faced eviction every week, picked on by Helen, Pauline and Toya, she was isolated and bullied by Helen who actually received a warning about her behaviour towards her and for the first couple of weeks barely any of the housemates would even talk to her.

Chris was isolated when he first entered because Pauline spread around what he said on his VT.

Danielle was turned into a timid little mouse due to her argument with Helen and then all the tasks that were targeting her and also the targeting of her by Biannca from the minute she entered the house.

Christopher was picked on by Toya and Pauline, reduced to tears because of both of them, faced eviction for a few weeks in a row and was chosen to face it again by Matthew and Toya.

[AarynGriesfan]

As did he rest of them that's in there :laugh:

Most of them deserve credit for surviving as well except Helen of course.

[Yaki da]

Jale was given the killer nomination, faced eviction every week, picked on by Helen, Pauline and Toya, she was isolated and bullied by Helen who actually received a warning about her behaviour towards her and for the first couple of weeks barely any of the housemates would even talk to her.

Agree entirely.

Chris was isolated when he first entered because Pauline spread around what he said on his VT.

He was okay after a few days. Hasn't had to cope with much since imo.

Danielle was turned into a timid little mouse due to her argument with Helen and then all the tasks that were targeting her and also the targeting of her by Biannca from the minute she entered the house.

Yes and imo she became a shrinking violet, hence not being as strong as Ashleigh.

Christopher was picked on by Toya and Pauline, reduced to tears because of both of them, faced eviction for a few weeks in a row and was chosen to face it again by Matthew and Toya.

Yep, I've conceded Jale had it tough and I think Christopher did too. But I think over the last 3 weeks the person who has had the biggest target on her back has been Ashleigh, and she's actually grown in stature in the house rather than retreat into a shell. She's a tough girl. Why is this so difficult for some of you to give her credit for?

[Josy]

Agree entirely.



He was okay after a few days.



Yes and imo she became a shrinking violet, hence not being as strong as Ashleigh.



Yep, I've conceded Jale had it tough and I think Christopher did too. But I think over the last 3 weeks the person who has had the biggest target on her back has been Ashleigh, and she's actually grown in stature in the house rather than retreat into a shell. She's a tough girl. Why is this so difficult for some of you give her credit for?

And I disagree with that. I also said I do give her credit but not any more than anyone else in there and don't see why anyone would.

Anyway good discussion but it's going round in circles again just like the fix thread you made about the producers creating Armageddon to get Ashleigh out of the house.

[Yaki da]

And I disagree with that. I also said I do give her credit but not any more than anyone else in there and don't see why anyone would.

I'd give Jale more credit than any of the others for what she went through over the first 2 weeks and how she handled it. And it does seem to me with her closest friends leaving, the hostile response from the eviction crowd, the seance task and what happened the following week, that Ashleigh has had a lot more thrown at her over the last 2 or 3 weeks. That's not to dismiss claims of Marlon and Danielle having it tough as well. But you can't argue Mark or Winston have

Anyway good discussion but it's going round in circles again just like the fix thread you made about the producers creating Armageddon to get Ashleigh out of the house.

Actually I said it was Ashleigh or Danielle. And it seems that it was right up until the very last moment.

[Marsh.]

Oh, a free pass doesn't help someone's time in the house now?

No.
Has it made her popular in the house or out?
Has it stopped her being paranoid?
Has it reduced the drama she's involved with?

No, no and no. The pass hasn't made her life easier. For the first couple of weeks the killer nomination actually worked in Jale's favour because of sympathy vote. People have done nothing but moan about Helen's pass.

[Marsh.]

Your first post in this thread was...



No argument, no attempt to engage whatsoever. Just a piffy remark. Pathetic.

It was a question, which you avoided and went straight to personal comments about me.

So stick to the topic.

[Yaki da]

No.
Has it made her popular in the house or out?
Has it stopped her being paranoid?
Has it reduced the drama she's involved with?

Has is stopped her from being popular in the house or out? No. Her behaviour has stopped her from being popular outside with the public and inside with certain others, and even now you get the sense that thanks to her warnings and the time she has to redeem herself she's been guided into being someone more likable. She'd have been out in week 2 or 3 otherwise.

Has it made her have to worry less about being evicted and therefore have a more stress free time? Yes

Has it allowed her to be involved in as much drama as she wants to without any worry she'll be evicted? Yes.

I can't believe someone is actually now arguing that a free pass to the final doesn't make someone's time in the house easier.

No, no and no. The pass hasn't made her life easier. For the first couple of weeks the killer nomination actually worked in Jale's favour because of sympathy vote. People have done nothing but moan about Helen's pass.

Yes, from our perspective it seemed easier for Jale. But from her perspective she could have gone every week for all she knew. And eventually she did.

No one is moaning about Helen's pass here. But it is f'n obvious that it has meant she has had an easier ride than others.

[Marsh.]

Jale's cheers told me no, it wasn't that hard for her.

I never said the pass doesn't make some things "easier" but you discuss it as though it makes her appearance "easy". Two very different things.

[Yaki da]

It was a question, which you avoided and went straight to personal comments about me.

So stick to the topic.

I'd already provided examples in the OP.

Jesus Christ, you're impenetrable.

[Yaki da]

Jale's cheers told me no, it wasn't that hard for her.

She didn't know she was going to get cheers when her name was announced. And as I said, eventually she did go.

I never said the pass doesn't make some things "easier" but you discuss it as though it makes her appearance "easy". Two very different things.

No, I said she's had in it easier than others. Such as Ashleigh.

[Marsh.]

I'd already provided examples in the OP.

Jesus Christ, you're impenetrable.

To bullsh*t, I certainly am. We'll stop here because we've entered another of your never-ending cycles. I'm getting off the ride and getting a refund.

Yaki da. :xyxwave:

[VanessaFeltz.]

Ashleigh is a strong girl, she deserves to win.

[Yaki da]

To bullsh*t, I certainly am. We'll stop here because we've entered another of your never-ending cycles. I'm getting off the ride and getting a refund.

Yaki da. :xyxwave:

And once again you failed, from the get-go, to provide any counter arguments and just posted smiley's and piffy remarks.

[Marsh.]

It's all your posts deserve my darling.

[Yaki da]

It's all your posts deserve my darling.

And yet you're still here replying. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Is that a piffy remark and a smiley? :hehe: Oh dear.

[Kazanne]

Good God ,the state of this thread,I hope she's out next then we might get some peace,jeez there is support and then there is obsession.

[Yaki da]

Good God ,the state of this thread,I hope she's out next then we might get some peace,jeez there is support and then there is obsession.

I can't help it if you're all incapable of taking part in a discussion, which is what a forum is supposed to be for.

[Marsh.]

Good God ,the state of this thread,I hope she's out next then we might get some peace,jeez there is support and then there is obsession.

Too right.

[Brother Leon]

Why?

She isn't close to having had the toughest time In there..

[Kazanne]

I can't help it if you're all incapable of taking part in a discussion, which is what a forum is supposed to be for.

This isn't a discussion,it's an interrogation :hehe:

[Yaki da]

I might give Digital Spy a go. You get a slightly higher level of debate there.

[Marsh.]

Why?

She isn't close to having had the toughest time In there..

On the contrary, she spent half her time isolated in the bedroom/pod away from everyone.

[Kazanne]

I might give Digital Spy a go. You get a slightly higher level of debate there.

Good luck with that.

[Marsh.]

I might give Digital Spy a go. You get a slightly higher level of debate there.

But that's the thing, it's not a debate because you can't accept opinions that differ from yours. People are "incapable" of seeing things as opposed to disagreeing.

[Yaki da]

But that's the thing, it's not a debate because you can't accept opinions that differ from yours. People are "incapable" of seeing things as opposed to disagreeing.

God, you're still here. Josy offered some arguments (some of which I agreed with)... Neither you nor Kazanne do. Or when you do, they're laughable, such as thinking Helen hasn't had it easier than the others.

[abhorson]

When it comes to punishing certain crimes, the judge would actually take the age of the person into consideration, obviously. And equality before the law doesn't mean you don't recognize that a 48 year old is going to be expected to be a more mature person than an 18 year old.


In a nut shell. You have answered yourself. In law everyone is an adult. You can fight wars, get married etc.

Stop being repetitive and obtuse for argument sake.

[Marsh.]

God, you're still here. Josy offered some arguments (some of which I agreed with)... Neither you nor Kazanne do. Or when you do, they're laughable, such as thinking Helen hasn't had it easier than the others.

Ok love. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

Maybe BB has hired me to respond.... you know for no reason? :hehe:

[abhorson]

I might give Digital Spy a go. You get a slightly higher level of debate there.

Try friends are us.

[Kazanne]

Ok love. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

Maybe BB has hired me to respond.... you know for no reason? :hehe:

C'mon Marsh,lets go down the pub you've had such a lot to cope with,:joker:
http://reallifestl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/slamming-the-door-o.gif

[abhorson]

I say well done Marsh. Well controlled imo.

[Marsh.]

:laugh:

[rionablue]

Silly me forgetting that

Glyn
Jennie
Sam
Amanda
Cairon
Alex

All 18 at the time of being in the house, never noticed them getting more credit than others.

Good point Josy :dance:

[rionablue]

A girl who mopes around the house with a teddy bear, sits in the pod and bitches, doesn't join in in fun things like the pool party or the lads doing their pretend stripping, acts horrified that people are having sex in the bedroom.( Has she never seen the show????) Distances herself from all the girls cept poor Danielle, advised Danielle not to trust or have anything to do with Kim even though Danielle really wanted to still stay friends with Kim. Ashleigh is a waste of space as a contestant. There were so many others who would have given their eye teeth to have the experience and now the moaning bitch wants to go home. You know where the ****ing door is girl

[Yaki da]

A girl who mopes around the house with a teddy bear, sits in the pod and bitches, doesn't join in in fun things like the pool party or the lads doing their pretend stripping, acts horrified that people are having sex in the bedroom.

Called having morals actually. Maybe she doesn't think the most profoundly private thing that people can share with each other should be put on display in such a vulgar manner in front of over a million people.


( Has she never seen the show????) Distances herself from all the girls cept poor Danielle, advised Danielle not to trust or have anything to do with Kim even though Danielle really wanted to still stay friends with Kim.

That would be the Kim who mysteriously disappears from the house and told lies to the person she was closest to about her relationship status.


Ashleigh is a waste of space as a contestant. There were so many others who would have given their eye teeth to have the experience and now the moaning bitch wants to go home. You know where the ****ing door is girl

Nice to see a young girl who isn't part of the let it all hang out in the crudest way possible culture.

[Yaki da]

In a nut shell. You have answered yourself. In law everyone is an adult. You can fight wars, get married etc.

Did you read what I posted? We still make distinctions when making judgements on people and age is something people take into consideration. It is perfectly f'n obvious that a person that is 36 years old is expected to be more mature and adult than an 18 year old.

Stop being repetitive and obtuse for argument sake.

Some of you really are thick I'm afraid.

[icecakes]

A girl who mopes around the house with a teddy bear, sits in the pod and bitches, doesn't join in in fun things like the pool party or the lads doing their pretend stripping, acts horrified that people are having sex in the bedroom.( Has she never seen the show????) Distances herself from all the girls cept poor Danielle, advised Danielle not to trust or have anything to do with Kim even though Danielle really wanted to still stay friends with Kim. Ashleigh is a waste of space as a contestant. There were so many others who would have given their eye teeth to have the experience and now the moaning bitch wants to go home. You know where the ****ing door is girl

exactly :clap1:

[rusticgal]

I love Ashleigh....