Helen the hypocrite

[Babschap]

Sorry if it's been said before but Helen has joined in the gossip about Danielle being a web cam girl, but look what's she's done! It's far worse.
Also why has Danielle been slated but not Helen, really cannot get my head around this BB it's so heavily against those who are not a part of Team Helen... I think the newbies were told to discredit Danielle and not mention the Helens filthy past. All a bloody fix.

[sampvt]

Helen didnt conceal her past or pretend to be someone she wasnt. Danielle did and Helen didnt agree with that. As I have said before, Helen might be a slag or a tart, but at least she is an honest one. Deception and lies are a far worse trait to have than someone who through no fault of their own had to make a living for her child.

[chuff me dizzy]

Helen didnt conceal her past or pretend to be someone she wasnt. Danielle did and Helen didnt agree with that. As I have said before, Helen might be a slag or a tart, but at least she is an honest one. Deception and lies are a far worse trait to have than someone who through no fault of their own had to make a living for her child.

She has hid it ? the only ones she's told is Ash no one else knows she a cheap slag who bedded a married man then made money out of selling her story despite how it made his wife fell

[abhorson]

Helen didnt conceal her past or pretend to be someone she wasnt. Danielle did and Helen didnt agree with that. As I have said before, Helen might be a slag or a tart, but at least she is an honest one. Deception and lies are a far worse trait to have than someone who through no fault of their own had to make a living for her child.

Did Helen tell them all?

[hijaxers]

Did Helen tell them all?

no because she has been gagged - shame the housemates can't gag her permanantly :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Did Helen tell them all?

No she hasn't ,neither have the newbies who were quick to tell them about Dani

[Marsh.]

Not telling them she was a prostitute is not hiding or pretending she wasn't.

Danielle pretended she was a prudish catholic virgin, she was the exact opposite.

Two different things.

[hijaxers]

Easy eh ? when no one is allowed to mention what your filthy past is like and you can slag them off to your hearts content - proper fair playing field that is

[Babschap]

She has hid it ? the only ones she's told is Ash no one else knows she a cheap slag who bedded a married man then made money out of selling her story despite how it made his wife fell


Exactly! How comes Helen has not had her past revealed by the newbies? Simple answer is that BB have gagged them, while everyone else is fair game.

[Marsh.]

BB stopping them from talking about Wayne Rooney doesn't make Helen a hypocrite though. If there are legal barriers then that's out of her hands.

She still hasn't denied or lied about who she is, Danielle did.

Two vastly different scenarios. Fairly obvious.

[chuff me dizzy]

Exactly! How comes Helen has not had her past revealed by the newbies? Simple answer is that BB have gagged them, while everyone else is fair game.

Ok they could have told not to mention Rooney ,but they couldn't tell them not to tell the other she a prozzie

[CaudleHalbard]

If Helen in under a gag order from Rooney, I don't think BB would try and breach it on her behalf. It's hardly a big deal anyway for thr HMs - I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow.

[Miranda123]

Sorry if it's been said before but Helen has joined in the gossip about Danielle being a web cam girl, but look what's she's done! It's far worse.
Also why has Danielle been slated but not Helen, really cannot get my head around this BB it's so heavily against those who are not a part of Team Helen... I think the newbies were told to discredit Danielle and not mention the Helens filthy past. All a bloody fix.

I think this has been mentioned before but the reason Helen's thing with Wayne Rooney wont come out is because the entire story is subject to a gagging order by a High Court Judge

Some of the people in the house who didnt know, but know now (she told Ash & Steven) may have got the full story in some secret sign language way but CH5 are (by law) NOT allowed to show anyone referring to it AT ALL!!

[Miranda123]

If Helen in under a gag order from Rooney, I don't think BB would try and breach it on her behalf. It's hardly a big deal anyway for thr HMs - I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow.

It doesnt just apply to Helen, it applies to media/tv as well, no one is allowed to mention it

He got a full gagging order, press/media/uncle len/auntie vi.............the lot

[chuff me dizzy]

I think this has been mentioned before but the reason Helen's thing with Wayne Rooney wont come out is because the entire story is subject to a gagging order by a High Court Judge

Some of the people in the house who didnt know, but know now (she told Ash & Steven) may have got the full story in some secret sign language way but CH5 are (by law) NOT allowed to show anyone referring to it AT ALL!!

That doesn't stop them saying she's a prostitute

[Babschap]

Gag order or not, she is a hypocrite because she is willing to gossip about other HMs knowing full well that she is worse than then all put together! She could have told that Bianca bitch to can it can it when she was revealing Danielle's past, but she didn't

[rubymoo]

They should have a fair playing field and by allowing Helen into BB was unfair as it's given her the advantage of hiding her background whilst the others can be chucked under a bus. imo she shouldn't have been allowed on BB!

[Babschap]

They should have a fair playing field and by allowing Helen into BB was unfair as it's given her the advantage of hiding her background whilst the others can be chucked under a bus. imo she shouldn't have been allowed on BB!

Well said, it's not been fair, they should get rid of her ASAP

[Marsh.]

They should have a fair playing field and by allowing Helen into BB was unfair as it's given her the advantage of hiding her background whilst the others can be chucked under a bus. imo she shouldn't have been allowed on BB!

As Chris says, what any of them were/are outside of BB is largely irrelevant anyway.

[Babschap]

As Chris says, what any of them were/are outside of BB is largely irrelevant anyway.


If that's the case then why the fuss over Danielle's past? It was a feeding frenzy for Helen and co, hardly irrelevant making a girl cry no matter what she was like!

[rubymoo]

As Chris says, what any of them were/are outside of BB is largely irrelevant anyway.

I agree with Chris.

But to Helen it's very relevant as she stuck the knife into Dani, with the knowledge she's done far worse! It beggars belief:shrug:

But Helen knows she's protected and none of the others are.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!:nono:

[Nell_McCoy]

It was a terrible thing that Helen and her mate did - tying down a poor innocent, decent, respectable footballer like Rooney and sexually assaulting him after giving him an evil potion to make him forget he was a married man with a pregnant wife. Why didn't she just microwave a kitten or invade Poland if she wanted to get up to no good.

[Babschap]

I agree with Chris.

But to Helen it's very relevant as she stuck the knife into Dani, with the knowledge she's done far worse! It beggars belief:shrug:

But Helen knows she's protected and none of the others are.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!:nono:

Once again 100% correct

[Miranda123]

That doesn't stop them saying she's a prostitute

But she isnt anymore, and walk a mile in someones shoes before you judge them please

we have no idea how much she needed that money, Ive had a happy marraige for many years, two great kids, so I have no idea what it is to be a single mum with no job, not enough money to feed, let alone clothe my child, so I only judge her on her gobby moments and thatnkfully we see them less and less and the better side of her (brought out by Ash and the girls in the house) coming through
Im very glad Helen got the free pass, cause I would have voted her out first go, and I would have missed all this....

She wont win, I dont think, but I would hope she comes a long enough way to get a lot of cheers on final night

[chuff me dizzy]

If that's the case then why the fuss over Danielle's past? It was a feeding frenzy for Helen and co, hardly irrelevant making a girl cry no matter what she was like!

:clap1: She had the nerve to sit on the bed talking to Bianca on tonights show about Dani being in the sex industry, BOTH knowing so were they !!

[Babschap]

It was a terrible thing that Helen and her mate did - tying down a poor innocent, decent, respectable footballer like Rooney and sexually assaulting him after giving him an evil potion to make him forget he was a married man with a pregnant wife. Why didn't she just microwave a kitten or invade Poland if she wanted to get up to no good.

Roony is a slag as well, he and Helen well suited.

[rubymoo]

It was a terrible thing that Helen and her mate did - tying down a poor innocent, decent, respectable footballer like Rooney and sexually assaulting him after giving him an evil potion to make him forget he was a married man with a pregnant wife. Why didn't she just microwave a kitten or invade Poland if she wanted to get up to no good.

D:

[chuff me dizzy]

Roony is a slag as well, he and Helen well suited.

His wife was the innocent in it all ,Helen made money on Colleens misery

[Marsh.]

If that's the case then why the fuss over Danielle's past? It was a feeding frenzy for Helen and co, hardly irrelevant making a girl cry no matter what she was like!

They didn't make her cry. Biannca answering Steven's question and saying she thought Danielle was fake was what made her cry.

Helen and the others were simply surprised and amused to learn she's not who she says she is.

But, regardless, none of their backgrounds make a difference. People like/dislike them based on their behaviour in the house.

[Marsh.]

His wife was the innocent in it all ,Helen made money on Colleens misery

His wife is a doormat. He's done a hell of a lot more than Helen and a hell of a lot older. More fool her for valuing money over self respect.

[Babschap]

But she isnt anymore, and walk a mile in someones shoes before you judge them please

we have no idea how much she needed that money, Ive had a happy marraige for many years, two great kids, so I have no idea what it is to be a single mum with no job, not enough money to feed, let alone clothe my child, so I only judge her on her gobby moments and thatnkfully we see them less and less and the better side of her (brought out by Ash and the girls in the house) coming through
Im very glad Helen got the free pass, cause I would have voted her out first go, and I would have missed all this....

She wont win, I dont think, but I would hope she comes a long enough way to get a lot of cheers on final night


I've been broke, had kids to look after etc. I have walked that mile but got it together to earn a wage, not prostitute myself. That's pathetic.

[CaudleHalbard]

That doesn't stop them saying she's a prostitute
I thought she'd already told Ash?

[Marsh.]

I've been broke, had kids to look after etc. I have walked that mile but got it together to earn a wage, not prostitute myself. That's pathetic.

Good for you. Not everyone manages it so easily.

Like in the current climate when people say they've managed to find jobs no matter how tough it is at the moment. That's great but facts are not everybody can work as there aren't actually enough jobs no matter what.

So judging her off your own experience is pretty pointless.

[rubymoo]

They didn't make her cry. Biannca answering Steven's question and saying she thought Danielle was fake was what made her cry.

Helen and the others were simply surprised and amused to learn she's not who she says she is.

But, regardless, none of their backgrounds make a difference. People like/dislike them based on their behaviour in the house.

I get it that Dani was daft to try to pull the innocent card, hoping that she wouldn't be outed and i think that makes her extremely naive.

But Bianca took great pleasure in outing Dani, and humiliating her when Helen has a gagging order in place to protect her.

It should be the same rule for everyone and Helen relished the fact that Dani had been outed but the stinger for us is that she is protected, how do you think everyone would react knowing that she was the girl who slept with Rooney, how would she feel if she'd been outed and humiliated in front of her friends in the house?

[CaudleHalbard]

I would have thought that bonking with Rooney would add to Helen's cred with some in the house - the lads especially.

[Marsh.]

I get it that Dani was daft to try to pull the innocent card, hoping that she wouldn't be outed and i think that makes her extremely naive.

But Bianca took great pleasure in outing Dani, and humiliating her when Helen has a gagging order in place to protect her.

It should be the same rule for everyone and Helen relished the fact that Dani had been outed but the stinger for us is that she is protected, how do you think everyone would react knowing that she was the girl who slept with Rooney, how would she feel if she'd been outed and humiliated in front of her friends in the house?

She isn't "protected". Half the house know she was a prostitute.

But, again, it's not the same thing. Helen hasn't been pretending to be the opposite of what she is. Danielle's embarrassment comes from all the lies she's spouted and the act she's performed.

Something coming out about someone's past is one thing, someone's real personality exposing their "acting" is another thing entirely.

[rubymoo]

She isn't "protected". Half the house know she was a prostitute.

She is protected because there's a gagging order in place.

[Babschap]

Good for you. Not everyone manages it so easily.

Like in the current climate when people say they've managed to find jobs no matter how tough it is at the moment. That's great but facts are not everybody can work as there aren't actually enough jobs no matter what.

So judging her off your own experience is pretty pointless.

I was not judging her by my own experience, was just showing how flawed your argument is.

[rubymoo]

She isn't "protected". Half the house know she was a prostitute.

But, again, it's not the same thing. Helen hasn't been pretending to be the opposite of what she is. Danielle's embarrassment comes from all the lies she's spouted and the act she's performed.

Something coming out about someone's past is one thing, someone's real personality exposing their "acting" is another thing entirely.

But it's a game show Dani is allowed to have a persona if she thinks it will win her the game. What's wrong is being outed, when another is protected with a gagging order, and tbh Helen shouldn't be the one judging her as she's been in the sex trade and has done things she's not proud of, maybe the same applies to Dani, Seems Helen lacks compassion!

[Kazanne]

it wasn't Helen who sold the story it was her mate Jenny,hence the fall out.

[rusticgal]

At the end of the day it's irrelevant what's said about Helen....she is there to the final no matter what. When the final comes hopefully she will be the first out. We all know what she has done...the others will find out after...until then we have to live with her and the others knowing her secret will not make a blind bit of difference...UNFORTUNATLY .

[Marsh.]

She is protected because there's a gagging order in place.

From the name Wayne Rooney being uttered. There is no gagging order about her being a prostitute, hence her telling Ash.

[Marsh.]

But it's a game show Dani is allowed to have a persona if she thinks it will win her the game. What's wrong is being outed, when another is protected with a gagging order, and tbh Helen shouldn't be the one judging her as she's been in the sex trade and has done things she's not proud of, maybe the same applies to Dani, Seems Helen lacks compassion!

Helen wasn't judging her, she found it hilarious that the prude catholic virgin turned out to be the opposite. That's not hypocritical. That's a natural reaction to such revelations.

Helen's past as a prostitute is not protected, the name "Wayne Rooney" is.

It's not about compassion, Danielle had a persona, yes she's allowed one but the embarrassment came from her persona being revealed as a lie, not the past itself.

[Marsh.]

I was not judging her by my own experience, was just showing how flawed your argument is.

:conf: It wasn't my argument love.

Many people hit rock bottom and end up on the street, in the sex trade, on drugs etc etc. It's not for people who found jobs to say it's easy to not end up there.

[Babschap]

:conf: It wasn't my argument love.

Many people hit rock bottom and end up on the street, in the sex trade, on drugs etc etc. It's not for people who found jobs to say it's easy to not end up there.

Oh dear "love" it was your argument in so far as you were defending Helens prostitution on the basis that she was skint, my argument was that it was not the only option. Nothing personal, just my opinion.

[rubymoo]

Marsh.

You said half the house knows she's a prostitute and now it's gone down to Ash.

I thought she said to Ash she'd done things she wasn't proud of, i didn't hear her say the word prostitute.

Helen lacks compassion, she's been on Dani's back from day 1, and she relished the fact that Dani had been outed, and i'm sorry but Helen has done far worse, she's behaved far worse, Helen made money from selling her story regarding the 3some, i know her ex friend sold it first but that's irrelevant because Helen still got her share. Helen has major problems, but i live in the knowledge that yes she's in the final and she's not going to win.

[Marsh.]

Oh dear "love" it was your argument in so far as you were defending Helens prostitution on the basis that she was skint, my argument was that it was not the only option. Nothing personal, just my opinion.

No, I wasn't. I responded to your claim that you too were broke with children but managed to find work.

The prostitution stuff was Miranda's post.

[Marsh.]

You said half the house knows she's a prostitute and now it's gone down to Ash.

I thought she said to Ash she'd done things she wasn't proud of, i didn't hear her say the word prostitute.

Helen lacks compassion, she's been on Dani's back from day 1, and she relished the fact that Dani had been outed, and i'm sorry but Helen has done far worse, she's behaved far worse, Helen made money from selling her story regarding the 3some, i know her ex friend sold it first but that's irrelevant because Helen still got her share. Helen has major problems, but i live in the knowledge that yes she's in the final and she's not going to win.

No, it hasn't gone down to Ash. I said we saw her telling Ash (so it isn't protected). Only the story from the papers - Wayne Rooney - is.

But half the house know through whispers. Mark knew from launch night as he recognised her etc.

Helen and Danielle lack compassion for one another so it's not hypocritical. It's not about the fact Danielle has gone topless/done webcams. It's about the fact she pretended she was a catholic prude.

[rubymoo]

No, it hasn't gone down to Ash. I said we saw her telling Ash (so it isn't protected). Only the story from the papers - Wayne Rooney - is.

But half the house know through whispers. Mark knew from launch night as he recognised her etc.

Helen and Danielle lack compassion for one another so it's not hypocritical. It's not about the fact Danielle has gone topless/done webcams. It's about the fact she pretended she was a catholic prude.

But my point is how would Helen feel if she was outed in front of her mates?

The house don't actually know who Helen is, Mark says he recognizes her but lets face it he also claims he can read tea leaves!

So no one actually knows what she did, but Biannca went in there telling everyone about Danielle, in my eyes Danielle should be allowed the same amount of privacy as Helen and the other housemates, but for some reason she was targeted and outed.

Yes she pretended she was a catholic prude, but Helen is also hiding who she really is as i've not seen her shout from the roof top that she's a prostitute, i've nothing against prostitution and actually feel she must have been desperate to have done it, but her take on others having sex in the house and Danielles webcam actually does make her a hypocrite because she's done far worse.

[Marsh.]

Not shouting from the rooftops is not hiding or pretending to be something you're not.

[rubymoo]

Not shouting from the rooftops is not hiding or pretending to be something you're not.

She has kept information about herself private, just as Dani had.

The only thing Dani did was to have a persona and as it's a gameshow she's entitled to do that.

[Achilles]

Helen has been herself since day one, warts and all.
Danielle was fake from day one to her eviction.

[Marsh.]

She has kept information about herself private, just as Dani had.

The only thing Dani did was to have a persona and as it's a gameshow she's entitled to do that.

Yes, but having her fake persona exposed is not Helen's fault or problem. That's BB being unfair, hardly Helen's issue.

Keeping something private is not the same as lying about it.

If I kept the fact I'd killed someone a secret doesn't mean I'm denying or lying about it.

If I went about pretending to be a Catholic with morals who would never do such things, then I'd be pretending to be something I'm not.

It is not the same thing.

[rubymoo]

Yes, but having her fake persona exposed is not Helen's fault or problem. That's BB being unfair, hardly Helen's issue.

Keeping something private is not the same as lying about it.

If I kept the fact I'd killed someone a secret doesn't mean I'm denying or lying about it.

If I went about pretending to be a Catholic with morals who would never do such things, then I'd be pretending to be something I'm not.

It is not the same thing.

So going by your above statement, it's ok for Dani to keep her private life private, i.e. webcam, raunchy photos, and by not mentioning them is ok because that means she's just keeping it private and keeping something private is not the same as lying.

The problem lies in the fact that you see that she was pretending to be a catholic with morals, whereas i see that this was a persona just trying to win BB.

I think we're actually flogging a dead horse now and should agree to disagree:smug:

[Marsh.]

So going by your above statement, it's ok for Dani to keep her private life private, i.e. webcam, raunchy photos, and by not mentioning them is ok because that means she's just keeping it private and keeping something private is not the same as lying.

The problem lies in the fact that you see that she was pretending to be a catholic with morals, whereas i see that this was a persona just trying to win BB.


:conf: Where have I said it wasn't a persona designed to win BB?

You were the one who said Helen was just like Danielle concealing her past.
I simply pointed out that it's completely different. Keeping your past private is not the same as lying, that's just obvious.

Danielle lied about herself, Helen didn't. That is a difference. Danielle simply not divulging info is fine, as it is with anyone. Make OTT lies about it and you'll be caught out and people will want to expose you.

Trying to play a character in a show with such exposure is never a plan that works. You always get caught. Dexter did well last year but not because anyone believed his fake persona.

I never insinuated it made Danielle worse than Helen, just that it doesn't make Helen a hypocrite. :)

[CaudleHalbard]

What has Helen lied about?

I've obviously missed something.

[Achilles]

So going by your above statement, it's ok for Dani to keep her private life private, i.e. webcam, raunchy photos, and by not mentioning them is ok because that means she's just keeping it private and keeping something private is not the same as lying.

The problem lies in the fact that you see that she was pretending to be a catholic with morals, whereas i see that this was a persona just trying to win BB.

I think we're actually flogging a dead horse now and should agree to disagree:smug:

She can try and win BB by using a fake persona. But she cannot expect sympathy if she gets rumbled. Nasty Nick had a game plan, he got rumbled and ejected. Danielle has lied and been 2 faced, just as much as Nasty Nick. Live by the sword, you die by the sword :banana:

[abhorson]

Helen has been two faced too, they all have. Understandable though why she does not want to tell them all about her sordid past. Would anyone?

[abhorson]

What has Helen lied about?

I've obviously missed something.

Bitching with Bianca in the toilet and then saying she did not to Chris.

They all do it.

[Ammi]

Helen wasn't judging her, she found it hilarious that the prude catholic virgin turned out to be the opposite. That's not hypocritical. That's a natural reaction to such revelations.

Helen's past as a prostitute is not protected, the name "Wayne Rooney" is.

It's not about compassion, Danielle had a persona, yes she's allowed one but the embarrassment came from her persona being revealed as a lie, not the past itself.

..it isn't a natural reaction though, it is a judgement and I think what people are saying, how I see it anyway is that I couldn't care less if she slept with the President of the USA but she, more than anyone in there from what we know about her, should know what it's like to be judged because it's what she's always complained about herself, in the Wayne Rooney thing..how she has a 'side'/a story to tell and how 'unfair' it's all been... and then there have been a few revelations about Danielle..which actually have not been validated as yet, have they..?...and she judges based on 'second hand' information and knowing herself that there are 'many truths'.....whereas Chris has said, look this is the person I know/have known in the house and that's the person she remains and then when I leave..we'll see, type thing....for me it's not to do with any previous things Helen has done in her life, it's to do with her lack of understanding or empathy with others and yet she expects so much herself, in fact she almost seems resentful whenever anyone else gets any consideration but expects it all herself...she's just showed very little character for me except for screaming in peoples faces and telling them what she thinks of them....


..and yes, Danielle had a 'persona', she had a gameplan. it's a game-show and her game plan didn't work, no big deal..rather than judge her as a person, why not just see it for what it was and judge her game-plan...


...hmmmm, one thing I'm confused about though, Marsh...did Helen actually say she was a prostitute to Ash..?..I can't recall the conversation exactly but it all felt quite cryptic and not really clear what she was saying and then they dropped the subject or no more of the conversation was shown....

[AnnieK]

..it isn't a natural reaction though, it is a judgement and I think what people are saying, how I see it anyway is that I couldn't care less if she slept with the President of the USA but she, more than anyone in there from what we know about her, should know what it's like to be judged because it's what she's always complained about herself, in the Wayne Rooney thing..how she has a 'side'/a story to tell and how 'unfair' it's all been... and then there have been a few revelations about Danielle..which actually have not been validated as yet, have they..?...and she judges based on 'second hand' information and knowing herself that there are 'many truths'.....whereas Chris has said, look this is the person I know/have known in the house and that's the person she remains and then when I leave..we'll see, type thing....for me it's not to do with any previous things Helen has done in her life, it's to do with her lack of understanding or empathy with others and yet she expects so much herself, in fact she almost seems resentful whenever anyone else gets any consideration but expects it all herself...she's just showed very little character for me except for screaming in peoples faces and telling them what she thinks of them....


..and yes, Danielle had a 'persona', she had a gameplan. it's a game-show and her game plan didn't work, no big deal..rather than judge her as a person, why not just see it for what it was and judge her game-plan...


...hmmmm, one thing I'm confused about though, Marsh...did Helen actually say she was a prostitute to Ash..?..I can't recall the conversation exactly but it all felt quite cryptic and not really clear what she was saying and then they dropped the subject or no more of the conversation was shown....

she was talking about a famous person she slept with and then said "it was my job" so she didn't say the words but I think Ash did get it....

[Ammi]

she was talking about a famous person she slept with and then said "it was my job" so she didn't say the words but I think Ash did get it....


..ahhh, I couldn't remember if she said 'famous person', so maybe he dis understand and knows what her job was but that still isn't being honest to the other housemates and yeah she hasn't actually said that she's something different either but she still is so quick to judge others for anything and without actual 'proof' as it were and yet it's something she's hated herself, so she has very little empathy for anyone and yet seems to feel that it's unjust for herself to be so 'misunderstood' in the outside world...her whole life seems to be ...ughhh, I've been treated like **** and yet that's how she treats others...nothing to admire there at all, just a self centred, self pitying, bitter person....

[rubymoo]

..it isn't a natural reaction though, it is a judgement and I think what people are saying, how I see it anyway is that I couldn't care less if she slept with the President of the USA but she, more than anyone in there from what we know about her, should know what it's like to be judged because it's what she's always complained about herself, in the Wayne Rooney thing..how she has a 'side'/a story to tell and how 'unfair' it's all been... and then there have been a few revelations about Danielle..which actually have not been validated as yet, have they..?...and she judges based on 'second hand' information and knowing herself that there are 'many truths'.....whereas Chris has said, look this is the person I know/have known in the house and that's the person she remains and then when I leave..we'll see, type thing....for me it's not to do with any previous things Helen has done in her life, it's to do with her lack of understanding or empathy with others and yet she expects so much herself, in fact she almost seems resentful whenever anyone else gets any consideration but expects it all herself...she's just showed very little character for me except for screaming in peoples faces and telling them what she thinks of them....


..and yes, Danielle had a 'persona', she had a gameplan. it's a game-show and her game plan didn't work, no big deal..rather than judge her as a person, why not just see it for what it was and judge her game-plan...


...hmmmm, one thing I'm confused about though, Marsh...did Helen actually say she was a prostitute to Ash..?..I can't recall the conversation exactly but it all felt quite cryptic and not
really clear what she was saying and then they dropped the subject or no more of the conversation was shown....

Thank you Ammi, the voice of reason:love:

[Marsh.]

:facepalm:

[rubymoo]

:facepalm:

:hehe: it's a new day!

Clean slate:hug:

[Ammi]

..I do kind of get what Marsh is saying..:laugh:...the thing is though that most people who don't like Helen..(myself included..)..don't like her because of her behaviour in the house and not for anything to do with her outside life..and I guess that behaviour can be viewed differently as well in that I personally think it's spiteful, bitter and hurtful but it's also been viewed as a 'at least she's honest/upfront/open' type thing..

...and I know she's restricted by the courts but she can reveal to the others what she already has to Ash, although I still think that conversation was a little ambiguous...does she have to..?...well no, but then I can only assume (as she's revealed it to one of them ) that she chooses not to because she herself doesn't want to be judged... because she can't be nominated so it's nothing to do with that...well that's cool as well because 'being judged' is something she feels sensitive about.. but she can't then be said to be this open and honest person when she can give out judgements so freely with all the things she's said to others and about others but then can't take it herself..she's only open and honest on her own terms and when it suits her but even then, it's just her own opinions/dislikes and judgements of other housemates....

...and yeah, ok..it's all a bit funny with Danielle being such a prude in the house and then finding out that wasn't so but it was still no less of a judgement from Helen nevertheless because it's human nature to be amused/think it's hilarious etc.. but not human nature to judge as Chris proved in his fairness about it and his reserving of judgement..which for Helen in turn is quite hypocritical as someone who has hated so much to be judged herself...

[Ammi]

:facepalm:

..:laugh:...

[Marsh.]

:laugh:

It's just that feeling when you know what you want to say but it's not being communicated across as easily as it should be. :blush:

Never mind. :hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

Once a slag always a slag.:joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

She has kept information about herself private, just as Dani had.

The only thing Dani did was to have a persona and as it's a gameshow she's entitled to do that.

Exactly "Honest Helen " has not told the others of her profession as a *****,ok thats her choice, but at least have the decency to not condemn others for doing the same ,that DOES make her an hypocrite

[RobynTheELF]

Exactly "Honest Helen " has not told the others of her profession as a *****,ok thats her choice, but at least have the decency to not condemn others for doing the same ,that DOES make her an hypocrite

Can't believe I've arrived at a stage where I find myself defending Helen, but this is the way I see things:
Your statement is flawed because Helen has not condemned Danielle for her profession. Her reason for slagging Danielle off is because Danielle has that holier-than-thou act where she is quick to judge others, and is always going on about her beliefs etc (which she pretty much admitted was an act on BOTS). This started even before the revelation from the new HMs- this was pretty much why she and Danielle had their huge bust up in the beginning.

If Danielle had been herself, she would not have had (as much) trouble from the housemates and from the public after the new housemates revealed her profession. She couldn't handle it not because she was revealed as a webcam girl etc, but because she was revealed to be a hypocrite.

Helen on the other hand told the housemates from the very beginning that she has a shady past, and how she is worried of what the paparazzi are saying about her in the press. This leads me to believe if she COULD reveal all the specifics about her past, she would (it appears as though she can't due to whatever gag order). She hasn't been pretending to be what she isn't in the house either- I have so many criticism on Helen, but I can't call her a hypocrite.