Worst BBUK civilian series?

[andybigbro]

Overall, what do you think is the worst BBUK civilian series?

I think we have seen enough of BB15 for it to be included in the poll.

[reece(:]

BB4 for me, closely followed by BB11 and BB12.

[Pete.]

BB12

[andybigbro]

BB4 for me, however BB10 close behind.

[Marsh.]

Was reece even alive during BB4? :shrug:

[Shaun]

12 by far.

4 and 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10, 11 and 12.

[Pete.]

Was reece even alive during BB4? :shrug:
He's 18

[Macie Lightfoot]

Literally the only acceptable answer is 12. 2/4/10/15 are all bottom tier with it (contrary to popular belief not 11!) but 12 is quite possibly the worst season of a reality TV show I've ever seen.

[Marsh.]

Literally the only acceptable answer is 12. 2/4/10/15 are all bottom tier with it (contrary to popular belief not 11!) but 12 is quite possibly the worst season of a reality TV show I've ever seen.

These are opinions, none of them are fact, not even yours.

[Marsh.]

He's 18

So he was 7. :laugh: I can't even remember being 7.

[Shaun]

These are opinions, none of them are fact, not even yours.

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/4/45/TheMoarYouAreObvious.jpg

[Macie Lightfoot]

"BB12 is the worst series THAT IS FACT"
"no it's not *votes BB12 as the worst season*"

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[Daniel.]

12 and it isn't close.

11 is awful but had some tip tier housemates like Shabby and Caiomhe :flutter:

10 is top 5 and amazing

[Marsh.]

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/4/45/TheMoarYouAreObvious.jpg

:conf: Did you not read his post? He was dictating his opinions as fact.

So suck on that captain. :fist:

[reece(:]

Was reece even alive during BB4? :shrug:
I barely watched it live :umm2: I rewatched a few year ago.

[Marsh.]

"BB12 is the worst series THAT IS FACT"
"no it's not *votes BB12 as the worst season*"

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I never said I didn't think it was the worst? :conf: Re-read my post.

I said, it's not a fact, it's an opinion. If someone else loves that series then they're not wrong either. How hard is that to understand?

[Marsh.]

I barely watched it live :umm2: I rewatched a few year ago.

D: Did you make it to the end?

[reece(:]

D: Did you make it to the end?
I quit a few days after Lisa was evicted :laugh: it's the only series I've not made it to the end with.

[Macie Lightfoot]

4 really isn't that bad at all, for all the flak it gets. It's first month is actually Not Bad and then there are enough things to sustain some forward plot movement (the Africa swap, the trials and tribulations of Lisa Jeynes, etc.) It only falls flat in the last two weeks and the end game is atrocious when you're left to root for a Scott win (or a Ray win but I have opinions on that.) It is at least on par with 2, if not better than for the fact that there's actually some forward plot movement after Week 3 or so. People really need to let go of that nostalgia tbh.

And then 10 is literal garbage. The Marcus/Freddie/Siavash triumvirate is one of the worst ever, the Charlie/Rodrigo stuff is more tiring than anything, the first five weeks are a true non-BB12 low point of the franchise. I could go (and have gone) on and on. Hira and Lisa and David are everything, though.

[Jamesy]

Only started watching from BB6... so BB12 for me is the 'worst' one, although there have been many bad series.

[Vicky.]

BB8. I didnt watch it at the time as it was crap for the first few weeks and I couldnt get into it at all so I gave up. Then I tried rewatching it not long ago and it bored me to tears.

I actually loved bb12..and never found bb4 as boring as most people did

[Marsh.]

BB8 was awful. I stuck with it throughout the 13 weeks but my goodness what a waste of time.

[Urban Cragou]

BB4, 8, 11 (and 15 once it's over) were all terrible but I'll go for BB8 given that was the series that undid all the brilliant work until that point and ultimately marked the beginning of the end for Big Brother. 2006 was the last year that got the nation talking and that's no coincidence.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I think if BB9 had been BB8 I'd have probably enjoyed BB a little longer. I started to hate it in 2007. :laugh:

[Urban Cragou]

Yeah, I think if BB9 had been BB8 I'd have probably enjoyed BB a little longer. I started to hate it in 2007. :laugh:

I do wonder what the outcome would've been in BB5 followed BB3 or, as you said, BB9 in place of BB8.

Probably part of the problem was extending the duration to 13 weeks rather than the normal 10. It's too long to be invested in one series, IMO.

[Shaun]

I'll never understand why people blame BB8 for the downfall of Big Brother when it came literally 6 months after the race row, and the real reason everyone turned on the show.

[Me. I Am Salman]

4 really isn't that bad at all, for all the flak it gets. It's first month is actually Not Bad and then there are enough things to sustain some forward plot movement (the Africa swap, the trials and tribulations of Lisa Jeynes, etc.) It only falls flat in the last two weeks and the end game is atrocious when you're left to root for a Scott win (or a Ray win but I have opinions on that.) It is at least on par with 2, if not better than for the fact that there's actually some forward plot movement after Week 3 or so. People really need to let go of that nostalgia tbh.

And then 10 is literal garbage. The Marcus/Freddie/Siavash triumvirate is one of the worst ever, the Charlie/Rodrigo stuff is more tiring than anything, the first five weeks are a true non-BB12 low point of the franchise. I could go (and have gone) on and on. Hira and Lisa and David are everything, though.


Your BB10 opinions are exactly how I feel, lol. David Lisa and Hira <3 and Saffia/Sophia were promising too.

[MB.]

I mean I know this is all opinion and everything but... did wannashag read the poll right? :umm2:

[Macie Lightfoot]

omg Salman we're so *NSYNC because Sophia rounds out my top 4 <3

[Shaun]

can someone permaban wannashag please

[Raph]

I never said I didn't think it was the worst? :conf: Re-read my post.

I said, it's not a fact, it's an opinion. If someone else loves that series then they're not wrong either. How hard is that to understand?

Thank you Marsh :worship:

[Marsh.]

Thank you Marsh :worship:

:flutter:

[Marsh.]

I'll never understand why people blame BB8 for the downfall of Big Brother when it came literally 6 months after the race row, and the real reason everyone turned on the show.

The racism started the decline but a decent series would've done wonders. Regardless of the race row I think BB8 was the first atrocious series of BB.

It was certainly the first time at that point that I hated the show. Even during BB4 I found things to enjoy. :laugh:

[Jordan.]

BB11

[Kizzy]

4 it was such a let down, as each series was getting more interesting before then with a really diverse set of characters... and then that set of dullards landed :/

[Gstar]

BB11 and BB12. I only watched like two weeks of BB4 so can't really pick it

[Me. I Am Salman]

if BB4 didn't happen producers wouldn't have stepped up their game with BB5-7

[Me. I Am Salman]

anyway I'm conflicted between 11/12

[Marsh.]

if BB4 didn't happen producers wouldn't have stepped up their game with BB5-7

But it would have been BB3 and maybe stepped up. :flutter:

Then we could have had BB1-7 getting better each time. :love: The Golden Seven instead of 3. :laugh:

[Jordan.]

BB12 can be excused since it was C5's first year and they made up for it with BB13

[Macie Lightfoot]

since WHEN is BB2 considered a step up from BB1 (unless we're not talking about how good the series actually is, but are talking about like success and viewing figures and whatever)

[Marsh.]

When someone has an opinion that differs from your own. :idc:

[Amy Jade]

11 for me, I stopped watching after Sunshine left and came back for 2 weeks until Corin went and then stopped watching until the final.

[Marsh.]

Corin. She should've won.

[Urban Cragou]

When someone has an opinion that differs from your own. :idc:

:clap1:

Some people clearly don't understand the purpose of a forum.

[Shaun]

The racism started the decline but a decent series would've done wonders. Regardless of the race row I think BB8 was the first atrocious series of BB.

It was certainly the first time at that point that I hated the show. Even during BB4 I found things to enjoy. :laugh:

I suppose it was inevitable after the good run of 5-7 (well, I would say 3-7, but apparently that's debatable :p) that there'd be a bit of a downturn but I don't remember BB8 being all that bad? I still remember it being covered by all sorts of media publications (the whole Chiggy thing was all over Heat magazine and the like, do they even cover BB any more?) and it had pretty decent ratings. I mean it was a solid 1m up on BB9, for starters. (3.8m average vs. 2.8m)

And in terms of housemates/entertainment... pretty much everyone delivered in that cast (except Kara-Louise, Liam (the proto-Winston) and Jonathan).

[Macie Lightfoot]

KARA-LOUISE <333333333333

anyways, this whole notion of "omg you need to accept that people have different opinions" I think any opinion is valid if you can back it up? Sadly most posters here can't :(

[Marsh.]

I suppose it was inevitable after the good run of 5-7 (well, I would say 3-7, but apparently that's debatable :p) that there'd be a bit of a downturn but I don't remember BB8 being all that bad? I still remember it being covered by all sorts of media publications (the whole Chiggy thing was all over Heat magazine and the like, do they even cover BB any more?) and it had pretty decent ratings. I mean it was a solid 1m up on BB9, for starters. (3.8m average vs. 2.8m)

And in terms of housemates/entertainment... pretty much everyone delivered in that cast (except Kara-Louise, Liam (the proto-Winston) and Jonathan).

:shocked:

:laugh: Yeah, the ratings were good and BB still got coverage in the media. But I thought it was pants.

[Marsh.]

KARA-LOUISE <333333333333

anyways, this whole notion of "omg you need to accept that people have different opinions" I think any opinion is valid if you can back it up? Sadly most posters here can't :(

People need to back up personal taste? :umm2:

It is what it is. If you ask specific questions about things then I'm sure anyone will answer.

[Shaun]

I just put her because I don't remember anything about her other than her hair :( X-Men Rogue teas.

[Marsh.]

I just remember her because Davina told her to shut up whilst she interviewed Tracy. :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

People need to back up personal taste? :umm2:

It is what it is. If you ask specific questions about things then I'm sure anyone will answer.

Yeah pardon me for valuing articulate people and intelligent discussions (foreign concepts to quite a few posters here.) This is a discussion forum; I discuss my taste and other people should be able to discuss theirs rather than just citing a difference in opinions and ending the conversation.

I just put her because I don't remember anything about her other than her hair :( X-Men Rogue teas.

Kara-Louise getting ridiculous drunk during the Week 12 nominations and harassing Ziggy was my everything

[Black Dagger]

BB11 was tragic. Ben going over John James, Dave and Andrew was the final coffin.

The producers and editing team having a fetish for JJJ giving them 99% of airtime every night, awful.

[Marsh.]

Yeah pardon me for valuing articulate people and intelligent discussions (foreign concepts to quite a few posters here.) This is a discussion forum; I discuss my taste and other people should be able to discuss theirs rather than just citing a difference in opinions and ending the conversation.


They don't end a discussion. They give an answer to the thread's question and then you say "You're wrong". Maybe try starting a discussion in the first place and ask people why they chose things?

But remain on your intelligent and articulate perch looking down at us stupid little people. :thumbs: Good luck to you.

[Urban Cragou]

Yeah pardon me for valuing articulate people and intelligent discussions (foreign concepts to quite a few posters here.) This is a discussion forum; I discuss my taste and other people should be able to discuss theirs rather than just citing a difference in opinions and ending the conversation.

A Big Brother forum probably isn't the best place for you to be if you're in search of intelligent discussion. And nobody needs to justify themselves to you. Unless they're claiming their opinions to be fact they can be as succinct or explicit as they want.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I've started discussions and explained my opinions. I've also asked questions to which other people (read: yourself) just dismiss a difference opinions. So yes, that does end the potential for a discussion. Oh well. C'est la vie

[Urban Cragou]

... maybe because it is a difference of opinion?

since WHEN is BB2 considered a step up from BB1 (unless we're not talking about how good the series actually is, but are talking about like success and viewing figures and whatever)

I think it's pretty obvious that was Marsh's opinion and you yourself said that there's a difference between what someone thinks of the quality and objective features, such as ratings (they were the exact same for both series).

It would also help if you weren't so condescending. Maybe then people would be more willing to explain.

[Marsh.]

It's like smashing your head on a wall. You get the same effect.

[Urban Cragou]

It's like smashing your head on a wall. You get the same effect.

I'm guessing that did quite some damage for Macie if he can't get his head round the fact that not everyone agrees with him.

[andybigbro]

I just remember her because Davina told her to shut up whilst she interviewed Tracy. :laugh:

Omg did this actually happen? :hehe:

[ChristmasNeeve]

BB4 but BB11 is very very close

[Me. I Am Salman]

So Marsh states it was BB4 ruined the momentum.. and Troy disagrees saying it was BB2 that did it.. and everyone immediately jumps on Troy for apparently not allowing people to have an opinion. Am I reading this right?

[Jake.]

I suppose it was inevitable after the good run of 5-7 (well, I would say 3-7, but apparently that's debatable :p) that there'd be a bit of a downturn but I don't remember BB8 being all that bad? I still remember it being covered by all sorts of media publications (the whole Chiggy thing was all over Heat magazine and the like, do they even cover BB any more?) and it had pretty decent ratings. I mean it was a solid 1m up on BB9, for starters. (3.8m average vs. 2.8m)

And in terms of housemates/entertainment... pretty much everyone delivered in that cast (except Kara-Louise, Liam (the proto-Winston) and Jonathan).

BB9 got 3.6, BB8 got 3.9

But no BB8 wasn't awful in the slightest, the interest was still there (Charley's fake eviction getting like 6ish million and so on)

[Daniel.]

BB8 could never be the worst for one reason:
http://i.minus.com/ibhLL6YVrE5Mje.gif

[Marsh.]

So Marsh states it was BB4 ruined the momentum.. and Troy disagrees saying it was BB2 that did it.. and everyone immediately jumps on Troy for apparently not allowing people to have an opinion. Am I reading this right?

No, "everyone" wasn't involved. Stop jumping into threads and trying to misconstrue everything to try and "get one over" on me. It's incredibly tedious. If you don't actually understand what's been discussed in the thread, then ask, don't jump to a conclusion just to post something against me, yet again.

Move on.

[Marsh.]

In terms of viewing figures, there's always the argument that the previous series has an effect on the following years figures. If people hate it one year then it'll take time for them to be convinced the next year.

[Joelle.]

Didn't watch the first 3

BB5 > BB7 > BB6 > BB10 > BB8 >>> BB13 > BB9 > BB14 > BB15 > BB4 > BB12 > BB11

[Me. I Am Salman]

No, "everyone" wasn't involved. Stop jumping into threads and trying to misconstrue everything to try and "get one over" on me. It's incredibly tedious. If you don't actually understand what's been discussed in the thread, then ask, don't jump to a conclusion just to post something against me, yet again.

Move on.

well someone thinks quite highly of themselves. i defended troy because i cringed at how he was suddenly being ganged up on, and i find that we agree on a lot so naturally i was gonna be on his side. we spoke about how similar our views were in the thread, i didn't come here randomly to just 'post against you', don't flatter yourself.

find it hilarious how you lambast someone who has a different opinion for apparently not letting other people have an opinion (you say this ALL the time, it's truly truly tedious) and accuse anyone who calls you out for being in the wrong as simply trying to get one over you. get off your high horse love.

[Marsh.]

well someone thinks quite highly of themselves. i defended troy because i cringed at how he was suddenly being ganged up on, and i find that we agree on a lot so naturally i was gonna be on his side. we spoke about how similar our views were in the thread, i didn't come here randomly to just 'post against you', don't flatter yourself

find it hilarious how you lambast someone who has a different opinion for apparently not letting other people have an opinion (you say this ALL the time, it's truly truly tedious) and accuse anyone who calls you out for being in the wrong as simply trying to get one over you. get off your high horse love.

Ganged up on by who? Me? I was the only person talking to him about it.

It's not about having different views, it's about him coming into a thread and telling people "Your opinion is wrong, I'm right".

Comprehend that and move on.

If you find my posts tedious, don't read them, stick me on ignore because you bore me Sally.

[Urban Cragou]

well someone thinks quite highly of themselves. i defended troy because i cringed at how he was suddenly being ganged up on, and i find that we agree on a lot so naturally i was gonna be on his side. we spoke about how similar our views were in the thread, i didn't come here randomly to just 'post against you', don't flatter yourself. all troy asked was how bb2 was considered a step up.

find it hilarious how you lambast someone who has a different opinion for apparently not letting other people have an opinion (you say this ALL the time, it's truly truly tedious) and accuse anyone who calls you out for being in the wrong as simply trying to get one over you. get off your high horse love.

I can't help but feel a sense of double standards when all of that applies to the other person, not Marsh.

[Me. I Am Salman]

"since when is bb2 considered a step up"

Ah Yes What A Monster. How Dare He Tell Us We Can't Have An Opinion.

[Urban Cragou]

"since when is bb2 considered a step up"

Ah Yes What A Monster. How Dare He Tell Us We Can't Have An Opinion.

It doesn't have to be considered a step up by anyone, though... all it was was someone else's opinion and what other people think is totally irrelevant.

[Marsh.]

Instead of coming into a thread, reading one line and jumping to conclusions, actually read the conversation or if it's too tedious for you put me on ignore because I really can't be bothered pointing out the obvious for you Sal.

You're over exaggerating everything, no one called him a monster, I simply responded to him and we had a disagreement.

[reece(:]

People voted BB8, BB6 and BB14 over the other atrocities? :umm2:

[Macie Lightfoot]

So Marsh states it was BB4 ruined the momentum.. and Troy disagrees saying it was BB2 that did it.. and everyone immediately jumps on Troy for apparently not allowing people to have an opinion. Am I reading this right?

is that what started it I don't even know :joker: love u Salman xxx

[Adamw92]

BB4.

[Cal.]

BB4 by far.

[Me. I Am Salman]

wait troy I forgot to mention Bea as one of my bb10 faves HOW COULD I FORGET BEA

[Marsh.]

BB15 is dropping lower. It might end up worse than BB12.

[Samm]

BB11, dull after week one

[Samm]

BB15 is dropping lower. It might end up worse than BB12.

Nope because the first 5/6 weeks of BB15 where good

[Marsh.]

Nope because the first 5/6 weeks of BB15 where good

BB15 is diabolical.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Nope because the first 5/6 weeks of BB15 where good

lmfao lies this series has been atrocious through and through, it actually might be worse than 12

[Samm]

lmfao lies this series has been atrocious through and through, it actually might be worse than 12

not in my opinion after Danielle left it got to average, The first 3 weeks where the main peak points but it was still good after the 3 weeks till when finished armageddon

[Marc]

I liked BB4 :smug:

[mrflibble]

Why is there so much hate for BB12? [no major spoilers plz] I'm only a week into it and it seems fine so far.

I'm working my way backwards, so I've only watched 15, 14 and 13 in full and the more I see, the worse 15 seems so that's probably my least favourite so far, but I'll have to wait and see how that changes.

[Daniel-X]

I started watching in BB3...

I've never stopped watching a series apart from series 4