Helen: Has she ruined the series or made it?

[Daniel.]

She's the biggest character in there, but has she made the series for you or ruined it?

[karezza]

Ashleigh and conniving Chris have ruined it.

[Jay.]

I think she's helped me enjoy the series. Even though some think she is horrible, I've overlooked that and she's quite fun to watch.. her accent is incredible.

[Daniel.]

She's for sure one of the nastiest people to ever in BB history.

[abhorson]

She has made people scared to speak, as they have stated. Call them what you like. Some don't like **** all the time.

[Mystic Mock]

Definitely made it as she's brought the best out in Ashleigh and Ash, I can understand if people don't want Helen to win but she's been causing the most discussions on the Forums, and will be the first Housemate that everyone thinks of in this series in the years to come.

She definitely deserves her place in the final, and imo a top 3 finish.

[abhorson]

Ashleigh and conniving Chris have ruined it.

Your opinion is of course valid. But not in the vast majorities thoughts. No one is right or wrong, but not very many think that.

[Kazanne]

She's made it,she is the biggest talking point on here,she's turned my dislike of her around,I like her now.

[Kazanne]

She has made people scared to speak, as they have stated. Call them what you like. Some don't like **** all the time.

Scared? I don't think so , just gutless

[Miranda123]

She's for sure one of the nastiest people to ever in BB history.

she is lovely compared to the troll you have in your picture here!!

Will Trash fans tell her to get her highlights done, she's getting on my last nerve with the fake everything!!

[mrflibble]

Ruined it. She drowns out all the other housemates with her arrogance and hypocrisy. She thinks the show revolves around her and it would be so much more relaxed and entertaining and fun if she wasn't there. Watching Secrets and Lies at the moment makes me realise just how much better the dynamics are when there's no-one like Helen around. She brings nothing to the show except nastiness, everyone says she's a 'talking point', but it's only because we're forced to watch her be a horrible person to people that don't deserve it and can't do anything about it. If she wasn't there, another housemate would be the main talking point (and they probably all would be since they wouldn't have to live in such a controlled environment).

[Miranda123]

She's made it,she is the biggest talking point on here,she's turned my dislike of her around,I like her now.

Me too. I hated her the first 2 weeks cause she was friends with the vile Pauline and the sad little would be presenter Toya

When it became a two horse race between the good guys (cool gang) and the Bore Offs (the saddos) it was an easy decision to make

I quite like Chris still, even though he is with the bore offs, but he is pleasant to people and the only time he has gossiped or been nasty is when he has been in Trash's company, and I cant blame him for that cause her bitchiness is like a virus to susceptible people

Once she's gone, he will be fine!

People dont often change my mind, but I love Helen now, she has been the best HM this season without a doubt!

[rusticgal]

She has only helped 'make it'....and I say helped because without people to pick on and verbally assault she would have been a nobody.
It's always good to have lowlife like Helen and Biancca in the house to emphasise the nice characteristics in others...

[Miranda123]

Ruined it. She drowns out all the other housemates with her arrogance and hypocrisy. She thinks the show revolves around her and it would be so much more relaxed and entertaining and fun if she wasn't there. Watching Secrets and Lies at the moment makes me realise just how much better the dynamics are when there's no-one like Helen around. She brings nothing to the show except nastiness, everyone says she's a 'talking point', but it's only because we're forced to watch her be a horrible person to people that don't deserve it and can't do anything about it. If she wasn't there, another housemate would be the main talking point (and they probably all would be since they wouldn't have to live in such a controlled environment).

If you sit down and go through the entire series you would find that the bitches in this show have been Pauline, Toya & *******igh

When Helen has a row, she gets it all of her chest and doesnt hold a grudge, the others just sit around and talk between themselves cause they are soo scared of her

Its hysterical to watch

And now she has seen off two of the bitches, only one to go!!

[Miranda123]

She's for sure one of the nastiest people to ever in BB history.

That title belongs to the Trash you have pictured here!!

[HBB1508]

Ruined it. She drowns out all the other housemates with her arrogance and hypocrisy. She thinks the show revolves around her and it would be so much more relaxed and entertaining and fun if she wasn't there. Watching Secrets and Lies at the moment makes me realise just how much better the dynamics are when there's no-one like Helen around. She brings nothing to the show except nastiness, everyone says she's a 'talking point', but it's only because we're forced to watch her be a horrible person to people that don't deserve it and can't do anything about it. If she wasn't there, another housemate would be the main talking point (and they probably all would be since they wouldn't have to live in such a controlled environment).

My thoughts entirely - saved me having to type it all out :)

[Marsh.]

To be honest, I think both.

She's both monopolised the show (not so much anymore but certainly in those early weeks) and dominated the highlights for a while. But then she's also saved it when, without her, there wouldn't have been much else of interest to watch.

But I think the thing with Helen is exactly as Jale put it in that other interview from yesterday. It's not right for people (and the housemates) to completely chastise and hate Helen on her eviction for being the way she was, because the other 15 people in there allowed her to do it. Then it gets to the point where you can't blame her when nobody has stepped in. If they had stepped up and had the balls to sit her down and tell her straight then she'd have never grown into the argumentative monster she became.

She wouldn't have felt comfortable in the fact that if she kicked off, everyone else would fall silent and allow her to start shouting at whoever she was mad at.

[Natalie.]

Hasn't ruined it for me, I have enjoyed watching her most of the time

[Kazanne]

Me too. I hated her the first 2 weeks cause she was friends with the vile Pauline and the sad little would be presenter Toya

When it became a two horse race between the good guys (cool gang) and the Bore Offs (the saddos) it was an easy decision to make

I quite like Chris still, even though he is with the bore offs, but he is pleasant to people and the only time he has gossiped or been nasty is when he has been in Trash's company, and I cant blame him for that cause her bitchiness is like a virus to susceptible people

Once she's gone, he will be fine!

People dont often change my mind, but I love Helen now, she has been the best HM this season without a doubt!

At least with Helen she has loyalty and compassion that we didn't see before,she is fiery and feisty,but I think she is very misunderstood in the main.I really disliked her at first,but shes one of my faves now.

[poppsywoppsy]

Helen should have gone out in week 1or 2

It makes me sad that she has kept quiet and her temper under control, she is OK now.

She has contributed little apart from her temper, she is lackluster, queening it around with her little tribe of no marks frightened to say a word.

She hasn't done enough to stay, absolute train wreck of a housemate spoiling it for the viewers.

[mrflibble]

If you sit down and go through the entire series you would find that the bitches in this show have been Pauline, Toya & *******igh

When Helen has a row, she gets it all of her chest and doesnt hold a grudge, the others just sit around and talk between themselves cause they are soo scared of her

Its hysterical to watch

And now she has seen off two of the bitches, only one to go!!
They are scared of her because she is aggressive and doesn't listen. Shouting in someone's face because they're angry is weak and pathetic. The only time she's had a good confrontation with someone was when she approached Chris calmly about what he'd said about Biannca and Helen in the toilet. Helen holds a grudge against everyone that has ever dared to speak against her in that house, I've never seen her without a scowl on her face.

Helen is someone who hates herself so much she has to tear everyone else down. If she wasn't loud and obnoxious, she would have to face herself and realise what a disgusting and horrible person she is. She likes people to fear her because it gives her a false sense of security. She thinks the world revolves around her and people doing anything that SHE doesn't think is right is therefore evil and two-faced and back stabbing, whilst she will bitch about people in the corner. She will NOT listen to criticism and that's why nobody bothers confronting her. Same with Pauline. Everyone in there bitches, but she and Pauline are the only bitches. Controlling, arrogant, manipulative bitches. And it is in no way hysterical or entertaining to see people like that try to pull everyone else down to that level and to try and break strong people who are comfortable in their own skin just because she hates hers so much.

[CaudleHalbard]

But the next minute Helen is doing people's hair, helping with make up etc.

She is better liked in the house than outside it.

[Achilles]

I don't NEED a bitch hooker to enjoy Big Brother. Helen hasn't ruined BB, but I voted no because I believe the decision to give her a pass to the final is one of many decisions that have made this BB less enjoyable than others. The whole point is that housemates nominate and public vote out who they don't like. That is what I like. If Helen doesn't get nominated fine. If she survives a public vote because public hate someone else fine. She hasn't been eligible to be evicted and I don't like the principle of that because it isn't fair.

[jet]

She has only helped 'make it'....and I say helped because without people to pick on and verbally assault she would have been a nobody.
It's always good to have lowlife like Helen and Biancca in the house to emphasise the nice characteristics in others...

I agree. She has only been noticed because she's a nasty, sneering cow - it's all she has. Otherwise she's as dull as dishwater.
Ashleigh is a far bigger character because she doesn't need to bully and be vile to people to get noticed - and SHE has made the series for me.

[Ellen]

I wasnt keen but yes she has definitely made the series along with some others, would have switched off a long time ago if it was just the bores Chris, Ashleigh & Danielle.

[Livia]

Helen's been interesting in the same way that it's interesting to see a mass pile-up on the motorway. You look, but it's a little sickening and hardly what I'd call "entertaining".

[Sophiee]

it would've been fine without her, but I think she's definitely been one of the main additions to the series as a whole and made it more entertaining. her being there (or not) wouldn't affect my enjoyment of the show though.

[abhorson]

Scared? I don't think so , just gutless

Which is why you are in the minority this time:shocked:

[abhorson]

But the next minute Helen is doing people's hair, helping with make up etc.

She is better liked in the house than outside it.

True.

By 50% in the house, by 15% outside.

[Yaki da]

Let's not get carried away with blaming everything on Helen.

The production team have ruined this series. Not her.

[Jack_]

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15 :clap1:

[abhorson]

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15 :clap1:

Have they?

Equally Ashleigh, Jale, Chris, Christopher have been the stars of the house. Just yoor perception.

[MojoNixon]

That F face ruined BB. Ash and Steven dominates house with her. And that REALLY ain't entertainment.

[abhorson]

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15 :clap1:


Ask yourself this. Who are the favourites?

[andybigbro]

Neither. I don't like her but it doesn't mean that I feel the whole series was ruined.

Her being there is annoying but I still enjoy Big Brother.

[Jack_]

Ask yourself this. Who are the favourites?

The favourites are more often than not not the stars of the show, last year was an exception when Dexter and Gina were the favourites but in general just because some housemates are the most popular it doesn't mean they've actually been the stars of the show and brought the most, that's an objective fact that has to be looked at separately

Sure, you might not like what they've brought to the show and some may even say they've ruined it, but it is an objective observation that they are the stars of the show...because they just are.

[Achilles]

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15 :clap1:

I think the series would have been better without her. If you have a "fight night" then there is high drama, but Helen has not provided anything anywhere close to a fight night, she has just been a bitch for most of the time. Constant bitching does not create good drama, it just makes people feel ill, angry and causes hate. The huge row in BB9 was fascinating because it affected the whole house and was very dramatic and included a vile housemate being ejected. Steven and Kimberly was just a pathetic showmance. Caused lots of talking points but that's not I want to see, I want to see natural dynamics and housemates interacting with each other. A showmance is a fake relationship and it lead to fake drama.

[rubymoo]

I think we may have seen different sides to people if she wasn't there. People may have relaxed more and had more fun if she wasn't there, however she has been a huge talking point and at times been fun to watch. In the beginning she was a nightmare! Part of me feels she spoilt it because she's squashed the others personalities, and i feel the way it's been manipulated by BB has only made it worse, saying that i have stuck with watching it but i'd say last years was better:)

[joeysteele]

She hasn't made the series but she certainly hasn't ruined it.

The ruination of the series is by BB themselves and Steven and Kimberley's sickening so called romance.

Helen is one of the real big characters of the series and has been entertaining to watch,it would have been far less interesting without her.
So although she hasn't made the series and really for me, no one has, she is an important and good housemate to have watched.

[RobynTheELF]

Made it. I hated her at the beginning, but looking back if she had not received the pass to the final(in which case I believe she would have probably been evicted in the 2nd or 3rd eviction), the house would have been completely Boring, and I would have probably given up on this series.

I agree that Helen's loud & is a huge character, but I disagree with people who say her presence drowns out the other HMs. In actual fact I think Helen's presence paved the way for many of the people who were very weak characters at the beginning (some people are just not interesting on their own when they have no one to react to). Many of the people who have now gained support/popularity/become interesting in the house got our attention because of how they have reacted to Helen (whether negatively or positively) - I point to Ashleigh, Christopher.

If Helen was not there I imagine it would have been a very dull series, we would have little to to talk about on this forum besides how fit Winston is.

[abhorson]

The favourites are more often than not not the stars of the show, last year was an exception when Dexter and Gina were the favourites but in general just because some housemates are the most popular it doesn't mean they've actually been the stars of the show and brought the most, that's an objective fact that has to be looked at separately

Sure, you might not like what they've brought to the show and some may even say they've ruined it, but it is an objective observation that they are the stars of the show...because they just are.

Sam was the favourite for weeks.:shrug:

[Achilles]

Made it. I hated her at the beginning, but looking back if she had not received the pass to the final(in which case I believe she would have probably been evicted in the 2nd or 3rd eviction), the house would have been completely Boring, and I would have probably given up on this series.

I agree that Helen's loud & is a huge character, but I disagree with people who say her presence drowns out the other HMs. In actual fact I think Helen's presence paved the way for many of the people who were very weak characters at the beginning (some people are just not interesting on their own when they have no one to react to). Many of the people who have now gained support/popularity/become interesting in the house got our attention because of how they have reacted to Helen (whether negatively or positively) - I point to Ashleigh, Christopher.

If Helen was not there I imagine it would have been a very dull series, we would have little to to talk about on this forum besides how fit Winston is.

I find loud and "big characters" boring. I prefer NORMAL people. The whole point of Big Brother was to watch a group of random strangers interact with each other and how they coped being stuck inside a house with no contact with the outside world. Normal people are more interesting because they are 3 dimensional human beings and not cartoon characters

[Jack_]

Sam was the favourite for weeks.:shrug:

The Dexter and Gina fans combined outweighed his support and he only won as an anti-Ginxster vote and because casuals are only interested in attractive, nice males

That's still only a tiny part of my post though so

[abhorson]

The Dexter and Gina fans combined outweighed his support and he only won as an anti-Ginxster vote and because casuals are only interested in attractive, nice males

That's still only a tiny part of my post though so

But Sam winning and the previous winners has shut your argument down. NO?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Definitely ruined it. I'll elaborate more a bit with a post probably no one will read, but I don't get why people are praising that she's the center of the series/the most memorable one of the series when it's a **** series anyway

[Firewire]

Helen hasn't ruined the series. The producers have.

[Jack_]

But Sam winning and the previous winners has shut your argument down. NO?

...well...no? Did you even read my post? :conf:

[RockBottom]

I think the series would have been better without her. If you have a "fight night" then there is high drama, but Helen has not provided anything anywhere close to a fight night, she has just been a bitch for most of the time. Constant bitching does not create good drama, it just makes people feel ill, angry and causes hate. The huge row in BB9 was fascinating because it affected the whole house and was very dramatic and included a vile housemate being ejected. Steven and Kimberly was just a pathetic showmance. Caused lots of talking points but that's not I want to see, I want to see natural dynamics and housemates interacting with each other. A showmance is a fake relationship and it lead to fake drama.

Are you talking about Ashleigh:joker::joker::joker:

[abhorson]

...well...no? Did you even read my post? :conf:


Yes, now i have in full. Sorry, my mistake.

Jumped on the bandwagon too soon.

My apologies.

[Jase.]

To be honest, I think both.

She's both monopolised the show (not so much anymore but certainly in those early weeks) and dominated the highlights for a while. But then she's also saved it when, without her, there wouldn't have been much else of interest to watch.

But I think the thing with Helen is exactly as Jale put it in that other interview from yesterday. It's not right for people (and the housemates) to completely chastise and hate Helen on her eviction for being the way she was, because the other 15 people in there allowed her to do it. Then it gets to the point where you can't blame her when nobody has stepped in. If they had stepped up and had the balls to sit her down and tell her straight then she'd have never grown into the argumentative monster she became.

She wouldn't have felt comfortable in the fact that if she kicked off, everyone else would fall silent and allow her to start shouting at whoever she was mad at.

Yup. Agreed with everything.

[Marsh.]

Sam was the favourite for weeks.:shrug:

You've just proven Jack's point I think. Sam winning shows he was a big favourite with viewers, but you wouldn't really think of him when you think of the main stories/events of that series.

So a fan favourite does not automatically mean they were the "star" or main contributor to a series.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Definitely ruined it. I'll elaborate more a bit with a post probably no one will read, but I don't get why people are praising that she's the center of the series/the most memorable one of the series when it's a **** series anyway

k I'm back.

I will admit that I might be able to appreciate Helen ironically if she didn't have her pass. Like, she would've gone in, been extremely belligerent in ways we couldn't believe, be evicted around the same time as Pauline, get booed and OFF OFF OFF chants and feces through her letterbox with "THIS IS FROM JALE" attached, the whole nine yards. She's not a real human being, she's supposed to be a short term character who doesn't actually have any impact on the series or house dynamics or anything.

Unfortunately, Helen still has her pass to the final (despite the fact that the producers don't care to dismember literally every other twist this series) and we're stuck with her for much longer than anyone would've bargained for. She's reigning over the house like a tyrant, expecting everyone to ingratiate themselves with her and her clique of dickish boys and that's not fun for me to watch at all.

Helen is the core of the power structure in there and it's really sickening. Your social standing in the house is directly related to your relationship with Helen. You either have to get in with her clique (which Jale and Kimberly resorted to eventually) if you wanna have an ostensibly good time, or you'll just have to wander around by yourself with the other nonconformers. Now this is getting into more of The Ashleigh Thing, but she realized that she can't do **** to Helen so she's resorted to taking out her followers like she should (an Ash eviction, which is long overdo, would completely throw Helen off her rocker.) Helen can simply just clash with Ashleigh and encourage her entourage to nominate her and that's how she'll deal with it (and that's how she has been dealing with it.)

Everything's just incredibly static with Helen's stranglehold over the house. She's here until the end (as far as we know) and nothing can be done about it. And worst of all she's been BORING lately ("boring" in the sense that she's not shrieking in people's faces about being ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT) so I don't get why a small vocal minority is still attached to her for being A Big Character. She's ****ing Aaryn Gries at this point, an objectionably awful person for the first 3-4 weeks and then boring afterwards. Those are the worst kinds of people.

oops that ended up being a lot longer than I planned. Doubt anyone's gonna read it anyway but oh well.

[abhorson]

k I'm back.

I will admit that I might be able to appreciate Helen ironically if she didn't have her pass. Like, she would've gone in, been extremely belligerent in ways we couldn't believe, be evicted around the same time as Pauline, get booed and OFF OFF OFF chants and feces through her letterbox with "THIS IS FROM JALE" attached, the whole nine yards. She's not a real human being, she's supposed to be a short term character who doesn't actually have any impact on the series or house dynamics or anything.

Unfortunately, Helen still has her pass to the final (despite the fact that the producers don't care to dismember literally every other twist this series) and we're stuck with her for much longer than anyone would've bargained for. She's reigning over the house like a tyrant, expecting everyone to ingratiate themselves with her and her clique of dickish boys and that's not fun for me to watch at all.

Helen is the core of the power structure in there and it's really sickening. Your social standing in the house is directly related to your relationship with Helen. You either have to get in with her clique (which Jale and Kimberly resorted to eventually) if you wanna have an ostensibly good time, or you'll just have to wander around by yourself with the other nonconformers. Now this is getting into more of The Ashleigh Thing, but she realized that she can't do **** to Helen so she's resorted to taking out her followers like she should (an Ash eviction, which is long overdo, would completely throw Helen off her rocker.) Helen can simply just clash with Ashleigh and encourage her entourage to nominate her and that's how she'll deal with it (and that's how she has been dealing with it.)

Everything's just incredibly static with Helen's stranglehold over the house. She's here until the end (as far as we know) and nothing can be done about it. And worst of all she's been BORING lately ("boring" in the sense that she's not shrieking in people's faces about being ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT) so I don't get why a small vocal minority is still attached to her for being A Big Character. She's ****ing Aaryn Gries at this point, an objectionably awful person for the first 3-4 weeks and then boring afterwards. Those are the worst kinds of people.

oops that ended up being a lot longer than I planned. Doubt anyone's gonna read it anyway but oh well.

Spot on:clap1:

[coffee]

We all love to hate Helen, right? If it wasn't her then either we would hate someone else or this season would be reallllllllllllllllllly boring.

[Macie Lightfoot]

^ newsflash: this season is incredibly boring regardless and there are still plenty of objectionable people outside of Helen

[coffee]

I've really enjoyed this season!

[abhorson]

We all love to hate Helen, right? If it wasn't her then either we would hate someone else or this season would be reallllllllllllllllllly boring.

All in all, not a great bunch.

[ruiphillips]

She ruined it for me. Her gobby mouth constantly backtracks and the vileness she spews towards housemates who didn't do a thing wrong. The fact that the other bully, Pauline, picked her makes me mad.

[user104658]

She's part of what's ruined it for me but it's more complicated than that. He being in the house as a housemate, fine. I dislike her but I appreciate that she would have made a good housemate under normal circumstances.

What's ruined it is Helen having a "pass to the final". I don't think it's added anything at all, it's been entirely negative. It was an awful idea. I think the producers even realize that by now, but it's far too late.

So, to be honest, it's the shambles of a production that's ruined this series. It's just an incompetent mess. I don't even mind reality shows having a manipulated narrative - but if you're going to have one, at least make it a GOOD one... not this bag of demented kittens. Pass to the Final is only a part of that... although, a significant part.

[Tregard]

I feel housemate nastiness is sometimes romanticised by people, I've never really found it to add much. I don't hate Helen, I don't love to hate Helen, I just feel she overpowers everyone with general unpleasantness. It's not fun to watch, it makes a lot of housemates uncomfortable and it has, at least for me, entirely ruined this series.

Also she says "Up for nomination"

[Pincho Paxton]

She's turned the show into Groundhog day. Repeated arguments about Ash. She'd better hurry up, and built an Ice model of him so that Groundhog Day comes to an end.

[Shaun]

k I'm back.

I will admit that I might be able to appreciate Helen ironically if she didn't have her pass. Like, she would've gone in, been extremely belligerent in ways we couldn't believe, be evicted around the same time as Pauline, get booed and OFF OFF OFF chants and feces through her letterbox with "THIS IS FROM JALE" attached, the whole nine yards. She's not a real human being, she's supposed to be a short term character who doesn't actually have any impact on the series or house dynamics or anything.

Unfortunately, Helen still has her pass to the final (despite the fact that the producers don't care to dismember literally every other twist this series) and we're stuck with her for much longer than anyone would've bargained for. She's reigning over the house like a tyrant, expecting everyone to ingratiate themselves with her and her clique of dickish boys and that's not fun for me to watch at all.

Helen is the core of the power structure in there and it's really sickening. Your social standing in the house is directly related to your relationship with Helen. You either have to get in with her clique (which Jale and Kimberly resorted to eventually) if you wanna have an ostensibly good time, or you'll just have to wander around by yourself with the other nonconformers. Now this is getting into more of The Ashleigh Thing, but she realized that she can't do **** to Helen so she's resorted to taking out her followers like she should (an Ash eviction, which is long overdo, would completely throw Helen off her rocker.) Helen can simply just clash with Ashleigh and encourage her entourage to nominate her and that's how she'll deal with it (and that's how she has been dealing with it.)

Everything's just incredibly static with Helen's stranglehold over the house. She's here until the end (as far as we know) and nothing can be done about it. And worst of all she's been BORING lately ("boring" in the sense that she's not shrieking in people's faces about being ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT) so I don't get why a small vocal minority is still attached to her for being A Big Character. She's ****ing Aaryn Gries at this point, an objectionably awful person for the first 3-4 weeks and then boring afterwards. Those are the worst kinds of people.

oops that ended up being a lot longer than I planned. Doubt anyone's gonna read it anyway but oh well.

:clap2:

[icecakes]

Ashleigh and conniving Chris have ruined it.

I agree :clap1:

[Jake.]

k I'm back.

I will admit that I might be able to appreciate Helen ironically if she didn't have her pass. Like, she would've gone in, been extremely belligerent in ways we couldn't believe, be evicted around the same time as Pauline, get booed and OFF OFF OFF chants and feces through her letterbox with "THIS IS FROM JALE" attached, the whole nine yards. She's not a real human being, she's supposed to be a short term character who doesn't actually have any impact on the series or house dynamics or anything.

Unfortunately, Helen still has her pass to the final (despite the fact that the producers don't care to dismember literally every other twist this series) and we're stuck with her for much longer than anyone would've bargained for. She's reigning over the house like a tyrant, expecting everyone to ingratiate themselves with her and her clique of dickish boys and that's not fun for me to watch at all.

Helen is the core of the power structure in there and it's really sickening. Your social standing in the house is directly related to your relationship with Helen. You either have to get in with her clique (which Jale and Kimberly resorted to eventually) if you wanna have an ostensibly good time, or you'll just have to wander around by yourself with the other nonconformers. Now this is getting into more of The Ashleigh Thing, but she realized that she can't do **** to Helen so she's resorted to taking out her followers like she should (an Ash eviction, which is long overdo, would completely throw Helen off her rocker.) Helen can simply just clash with Ashleigh and encourage her entourage to nominate her and that's how she'll deal with it (and that's how she has been dealing with it.)

Everything's just incredibly static with Helen's stranglehold over the house. She's here until the end (as far as we know) and nothing can be done about it. And worst of all she's been BORING lately ("boring" in the sense that she's not shrieking in people's faces about being ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT) so I don't get why a small vocal minority is still attached to her for being A Big Character. She's ****ing Aaryn Gries at this point, an objectionably awful person for the first 3-4 weeks and then boring afterwards. Those are the worst kinds of people.

oops that ended up being a lot longer than I planned. Doubt anyone's gonna read it anyway but oh well.

A well written post :clap1:

[Ammi]

k I'm back.

I will admit that I might be able to appreciate Helen ironically if she didn't have her pass. Like, she would've gone in, been extremely belligerent in ways we couldn't believe, be evicted around the same time as Pauline, get booed and OFF OFF OFF chants and feces through her letterbox with "THIS IS FROM JALE" attached, the whole nine yards. She's not a real human being, she's supposed to be a short term character who doesn't actually have any impact on the series or house dynamics or anything.

Unfortunately, Helen still has her pass to the final (despite the fact that the producers don't care to dismember literally every other twist this series) and we're stuck with her for much longer than anyone would've bargained for. She's reigning over the house like a tyrant, expecting everyone to ingratiate themselves with her and her clique of dickish boys and that's not fun for me to watch at all.

Helen is the core of the power structure in there and it's really sickening. Your social standing in the house is directly related to your relationship with Helen. You either have to get in with her clique (which Jale and Kimberly resorted to eventually) if you wanna have an ostensibly good time, or you'll just have to wander around by yourself with the other nonconformers. Now this is getting into more of The Ashleigh Thing, but she realized that she can't do **** to Helen so she's resorted to taking out her followers like she should (an Ash eviction, which is long overdo, would completely throw Helen off her rocker.) Helen can simply just clash with Ashleigh and encourage her entourage to nominate her and that's how she'll deal with it (and that's how she has been dealing with it.)

Everything's just incredibly static with Helen's stranglehold over the house. She's here until the end (as far as we know) and nothing can be done about it. And worst of all she's been BORING lately ("boring" in the sense that she's not shrieking in people's faces about being ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT) so I don't get why a small vocal minority is still attached to her for being A Big Character. She's ****ing Aaryn Gries at this point, an objectionably awful person for the first 3-4 weeks and then boring afterwards. Those are the worst kinds of people.

oops that ended up being a lot longer than I planned. Doubt anyone's gonna read it anyway but oh well.

..I read it all and it's a brilliant analysis, Macie..Helen has provided a lot in drama/arguments in the past but she's also taken away a lot and that's the psychology for the audience/fans in that a 'controversial' housemate at some point can be up for eviction and the public can vote and feel all the apprehension and excitement of the eviction night..that's BB's fault though by giving her immunity...we need to feel that a housemate can go/that it's possible because that's a big part of what has been built into BB for us..

[Northern Monkey]

As much as i don't like Helen at all.She has HELPED to make the show.

[Shaun]

can we stop with the "she's made the show" posts now please because it's ultimately like saying "rolf harris made the news" last month

[Macie Lightfoot]

Helen might've MADE the show but the show IS currently a steaming pile of **** so if anything that's more evidence for how ****ing awful she is. (see: Allard-Morgan, Aaron; Pratt, Spencer; Montag, Heidi)