So do you feel guilty

[Josy]

BB - so do you feel guilty for the things you said ?

Helen - No

:joker:

[Jake.]

:joker: something else BB said made me laugh as well but I can't remember

[abhorson]

Helen lying yet again.

[Josy]

Helen lying yet again.

That's why it was so funny, she was going mental denying she had said it, even though we all knew for a fact she did then the tears came then after all that she said no she doesn't feel guilty. :joker:

[kistar]

So she was upset she got exposed saying them not upset she said them? Unbelievable.

[kistar]

I can't work out if she is stupid or sinister........stupid

[jet]

That's why it was so funny, she was going mental denying she had said it, even though we all knew for a fact she did then the tears came then after all that she said no she doesn't feel guilty. :joker:

She is so lacking in morals, self - awareness and intelligence it isn't even funny. Such a dumb bird.

[RockBottom]

She was upset because she cares for Steven and didn't want him to be upset. There was obviously no bad intentions on her part. "News Flash" Helen has a heart. :shocked:

[Kizzy]

She was upset because she cares for Steven and didn't want him to be upset. There was obviously no bad intentions on her part. "News Flash" Helen has a heart. :shocked:

yep... of course this will be ignored.

[Fish_Fingers]

BB - so do you feel guilty for the things you said ?

Helen - No

:joker:

She probably didn't understand the question.

Let's be honest, she needed to be taken down a peg or two. The others have had it happen to them, so I see no reason for her to avoid having it happen to her. Now she too can experience the taste of one of BB's special sh!t sandwiches.

I'm wondering if Ash also remembered hearing her make the 'tramp' comments about Kimberely, as they were in bed entwined together when she said it. Pre-diary room visit, when she was ranting, "I never said it, I never said it," Ash could have pointed out that she actually did. He's probably too scared to challenge her though.

[Ammi]

She was upset because she cares for Steven and didn't want him to be upset. There was obviously no bad intentions on her part. "News Flash" Helen has a heart. :shocked:

..of course she has a heart, she's human and not a one dimensional 'evil figure'. no one is...but there's no point in having a heart if you don't use that heart for empathy, compassion and understanding and respect for other people's feelings and if you don't learn from things..so she said that stuff and was then shocked/couldn't remember..?...but all that has shown is that she feels upset or maybe ashamed..?..that she said bad things about Steven, someone within her own 'group', someone who has shown her loyalty...which she struggled even to take responsibility over and was still in denial no matter what the 'evidence'...it doesn't really show her to have any fine character at all or compassion or understanding for anyone else she's bad-mouthed, judged harshly or been awful to..it's ok having understanding for your friends, anyone can do that but if you've behaved badly and made people feel bad with your behaviour then it's about having understanding with your 'enemies' as well and putting yourself in their place and wondering how you would feel if someone treated you the way that she has treated people..and she showed not the slightest understanding there, in fact more or less said she could care less...

[Ammi]

..having said that and although she would be my worst nightmare as a person if I knew her because she lacks all self awareness and social boundaries and never considers anyone's feelings or reflects on anything..etc etc etc etc etc etc..I couldn't help but smile when she said it..:facepalm:...please God forgive me....

[number-one-fan]

Shame they didn't show her saying those things instead of having just quotes. She is a shameful human being.

[Cherie]

The clips should have been aired once she denied it for maximum embarrassment. :hehe:

[HBB1508]

The clips should have been aired once she denied it for maximum embarrassment. :hehe:

This - they shouldn't have given her a get out clause imo.

[Kizzy]

The clips should have been aired once she denied it for maximum embarrassment. :hehe:

Yes they should, then they would have seen it was just a normal conversation.

[MrWong]

Yes they should, then they would have seen it was just a normal conversation.

That's all Helen needed to explain though.

Instead of lie, deny and cry.

[Kizzy]

That's all Helen needed to explain though.

Instead of lie, deny and cry.

Well maybe she didn't remember? I don't remember every word of every conversation I've ever had..
She looked like she was half asleep during the kim one, it seems to me that ashleigh gets excused from all the nasty comments and whispered character assassinations simply due to the fact its an unpopular HM that's on the receiving end.
Where's her self awareness and reflection?

[Tarryn]

Well maybe she didn't remember? I don't remember every word of every conversation I've ever had..
She looked like she was half asleep during the kim one, it seems to me that ashleigh gets excused from all the nasty comments and whispered character assassinations simply due to the fact its an unpopular HM that's on the receiving end.
Where's her self awareness and reflection?

She can't remember because all Helen has done since day one is bitch & slag others off.
You are right, Ashleigh does not get the same treatment as Helen. Helen get's protected by BB, where as Ashleigh get's thrown under the bus this week by being up for eviction.

[MrWong]

Well maybe she didn't remember? I don't remember every word of every conversation I've ever had..
She looked like she was half asleep during the kim one, it seems to me that ashleigh gets excused from all the nasty comments and whispered character assassinations simply due to the fact its an unpopular HM that's on the receiving end.
Where's her self awareness and reflection?

She remembered the Zoe comment which was said before the Steven comment.

I think this condition is called 'selective memory'.

[Tarryn]

So Helen does not remember what SHE said but does remember what others have said. And takes great glee in reminding them of their faults while totally glossing over hers.
What a lovely person she is...............

[Mick]

Steven believed she had called his intended future wife a Tramp.He knows the show and is well aware that the BB would not misquote such an insult. Then instead of attempting to defend Kimberly he gives comfort to Helen.

[Tarryn]

The men in there are petrified of Helen.
It would have been interesting had Pauline stayed to see what would have happened between those two.
Clash of the titans (Bitches).
Helen V Pauline :banana:

[Kazanne]

She is so lacking in morals, self - awareness and intelligence it isn't even funny. Such a dumb bird.

All the girls are pretty dumb in there tbh.

[joeysteele]

This has been a problem of Helen's from the start and how she is, she doesn't think before she speaks however that doesn't mean she is always wrong in what she says.
She was however caught out with these things mentioned as to what she said and she knew she was.
It is true you can forget things you have said,especially with drink, however you dos till say them.
How you say them is the important thing too and a lot of the highlgihted things she said were not ncessarily meant viciously although still being unpleasant and unnecessary to say,I agree totally with that.


As to the Steven and Kimberley quote she came out with as to tramp, well I would guess she was saying much of what a good number of others were thinking that watched those incidents take place.
It was only in a conversation between her and her closest friend in there Ash.

So hey,I ask myself too, have I myself been guilty of that at times when even a friend of mine has done something I really disapproved of and I believed they were letting themselves down by their behaviour.
My answer would have to be yes.

[Kizzy]

Me too joey, you can't justify peoples bad behaviour just because they happen to be in your circle of friends....that would show a distinct lack of self awareness and no mistake.

[joeysteele]

Me too joey, you can't justify peoples bad behaviour just because they happen to be in your circle of friends....that would show a distinct lack of self awareness and no mistake.

I have done it Kizzy, even as to a Cousin, when you know how good and rational people normally act then see them letting themselves down, you will naturally comment.
If I felt I couldn't say so to them then I would confide someone really close to me,family or friend.

I would do so in a way where if they wouldn't listen to me than I would speak to someone else as to it.
It would not be meant in a nasty way at all but in a way to more shake them up a lttle and realise the wrong road they were going on.

Steven and Kimberley crossed a line in BB in my opinion and although one can question Helen's own morals, she knows likely what public opinion can be like and knew Kimberley was possibly coming across in a very bad way after that incident.
She could have chosen a better word maybe but there it is, that's Helen and what you see is what you get.
As I said earlier, at that time she was saying likely what a great number watching were already thinking as to it anyway.

[Beso]

she was upset because she cares for steven and didn't want him to be upset. There was obviously no bad intentions on her part. "news flash" helen has a heart. :shocked:

more speculation with unfounded truths in helens defence!!

[Kizzy]

I have done it Kizzy, even as to a Cousin, when you know how good and rational people normally act then see them letting themselves down, you will naturally comment.
If I felt I couldn't say so to them then I would confide someone really close to me,family or friend.

I would do so in a way where if they wouldn't listen to me than I would speak to someone else as to it.
It would not be meant in a nasty way at all but in a way to more shake them up a lttle and realise the wrong road they were going on.

Steven and Kimberley crossed a line in BB in my opinion and although one can question Helen's own morals, she knows likely what public opinion can be like and knew Kimberley was possibly coming across in a very bad way after that incident.
She could have chosen a better word maybe but there it is, that's Helen and what you see is what you get.
As I said earlier, at that time she was saying likely what a great number watching were already thinking as to it anyway.

Yes it's like you can't settle till you have it of your chest, I'm sure that being forthright is a positive and you were tact personified though unlike helen? :laugh: I'm sure when they see the footage kim and steven will see that it came from a good place.

[Patricia4]

A heart full of what hatred because that's all Ive seen from her.

[Kazanne]

A heart full of what hatred because that's all Ive seen from her.

Really? I don't see that at all,the only cold heart I see is from Asheigh

[Creggle]

Really? I don't see that at all,the only cold heart I see is from Asheigh

:laugh3:

[Kazanne]

:laugh3:

Have you seen her give anyone a meaningful hug or console them? I haven't

[RockBottom]

A heart full of what hatred because that's all Ive seen from her.

I must have been watching a different program. Helen is the most genuine person in there. She doesn't play up to the cameras to score points with audience. She wears her heart on her sleeve, what you see is what you get and she is a very caring person. Yes she has an explosive personality, but full of hatred? I am sorry that you can not see the bright light in Helen. She is the real deal. LOVE LOVE LOVE Helen xxxxxx

[Kazanne]

I must have been watching a different program. Helen is the most genuine person in there. She doesn't play up to the cameras to score points with audience. She wears her heart on her sleeve, what you see is what you get and she is a very caring person. Yes she has an explosive personality, but full of hatred? I am sorry that you can not see the bright light in Helen. She is the real deal. LOVE LOVE LOVE Helen xxxxxx

:worship::worship::worship:

[abhorson]

I must have been watching a different program. Helen is the most genuine person in there. She doesn't play up to the cameras to score points with audience. She wears her heart on her sleeve, what you see is what you get and she is a very caring person. Yes she has an explosive personality, but full of hatred? I am sorry that you can not see the bright light in Helen. She is the real deal. LOVE LOVE LOVE Helen xxxxxx

In a small minority though.

But even if in a minority, some will always see some good in everyone.

Even cheated wives, people who have had loved ones murdered etc. Some can forgive, most can't.

[rusticgal]

She was upset because she cares for Steven and didn't want him to be upset. There was obviously no bad intentions on her part. "News Flash" Helen has a heart. :shocked:

She is upset at being exposed.... If no bad intentions were meant why didn't she just own it and tell him it wasn't meant in the way it was said...mind you calling the love of his life a 'tramp'...she will not be able to explain that comment away.