Her Journey

[Firewire]

Do you believe Helen has been on a journey and is a different person now to who she was when she entered?

[Cherie]

No and Chris doesn't either, 7 weeks and she is a changed person lmfao

[VanessaFeltz.]

His story

Week 1: He entered to the house to prove hersefl
Week 7: He proved herself she can also be the biggest bitch
Week 8: He is currently in the second place in the hottest guy poll

[Cherie]

His story

Week 1: He entered to the house to prove hersefl
Week 7: He proved herself she can also be the biggest bitch
Week 8: He is currently in the second place in the hottest guy poll

:suspect:

[Kazanne]

I believe Helen has learnt some things about herself,I like her as she knows she is awful sometimes and has said she doesn't want to be like that,I like her a lot more than I used to and think she has done and learnt the most in this BB

[Josy]

I think Helen and the rest of the hm's will have learned a lot about themselves during their time in the house, as for her being a changed person, I don't know hmm she definitely seems calmer at times during disagreements and that but that could be down to her having being warned about her behaviour I suppose, regardless of how people see her though I do honestly think she is loyal to her close friends.

[sampvt]

she has slowed down and is now thinking before she acts

[rubymoo]

No i don't think she's a different person, i just think she's mellowed.

When she first went in, she was guns blazing and spouting her gob off, she made sweeping judgments about most housemates, she's calmed down because she now feels she knows everyone and they aren't a threat anymore, she knows she's top dog and she's happy with that, i'd like to think she's learnt about herself in the house, and how to behave more appropriately, but i dread to think what she's going to be like when she comes out of the house especially if she gets booed.

[Cherie]

She has not mellowed just been edited better imo

[Kazanne]

No i don't think she's a different person, i just think she's mellowed.

When she first went in, she was guns blazing and spouting her gob off, she made sweeping judgments about most housemates, she's calmed down because she now feels she knows everyone and they aren't a threat anymore, she knows she's top dog and she's happy with that, i'd like to think she's learnt about herself in the house, and how to behave more appropriately, but i dread to think what she's going to be like when she comes out of the house especially if she gets booed.

She will be fine and in reality will probably be upset if she gets heavily booed,but I know that would please some people.

[susie q]

I think just learned how to play people a bit better thats all. Shes not really changed.

[Vicky.]

Not sure tbh, on the surface it appears she has chilled out a lot and stuff. Bu then when she heard about something Jale said the other day it was right back to her old nasty self with '****ing fat bitch' or something along those lines.

[Kazanne]

Some people will just not like her whatever she says or does,that's their problem,I have seen a change in her and I really disliked her at the start,i though she was vile,but she has turned me round somewhat,so I am open minded enough to give her the benefit of the doubt.

[erinp5]

15 warning and told she may be removed from the house ...that's the reason for her 'epiphany' nowt else .

[Kazanne]

15 warning and told she may be removed from the house ...that's the reason for her 'epiphany' nowt else .

I keep hearing this,is there proof of the 15 warnings?

[erinp5]

I keep hearing this,is there proof of the 15 warnings?

Just what Hms who lived with her say .
She herself told us via vid clip that she was on her final warning (I will try and find it for you )
Media reports about her warnings
BB's refusal to discuss her warnings .


Pre warning
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Warning and BB refers to having spoke with her before regarding her language and behaviour .

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Here is the HL show form the time I refer to .



•Here is your daily BBUK recap with all of the highlights from the past 24 hours.





The house is still reeling from the explosive row between Helen and Matthew. Ash comments: ‘I hope today is a good day, we need a good day.’ Christopher says: ‘That’s the last time I play or Truth or Dare in this house!’

Mark visits the Diary Room and talks about the row and confesses that: ‘I don’t expect it to be summer camp but it would be nice if we weren’t constantly at war.’ He adds that he doesn’t think Matthew should have said anything about Helen’s boobs as it was too personal.

Steven, Ash and Helen (while Helen does Ash’s hair) discuss Mark’s friendship with Matthew and Steven observes that he doesn’t think that Mark ‘sees’ the real Matthew. Steven says he thinks that Matthew is a ‘ruthless b**tard.’

Toya remarks to Ashleigh that she thinks that Helen has, ‘sealed her fate’, with the confrontation with Matthew.

Helen remarks to Ash that she was surprised that Danielle wasn’t as shocked by the sexual nature of the questions during Truth or Dare as she thought she would be and Ash comments that those are the sort of questions that are going to be asked as, ‘we’re not 12 and we’re not 50’.

Helen says that she needs to stay away from Matthew as he will end up saying something to her that she ‘won’t take well.’

The Housemates partake in a shopping task where they all have to answer the same question unanimously and the points they accrue have to equal or exceed the number in Big Brother’s Brain Box. Danielle, Toya and Steven all answer yes to eating Big Brother’s Special Breakfast. They are confronted with an omelette made of stinking bishop cheese, century eggs, chicken’s feet and hearts and fermented sea herring. They all refuse to eat it and Danielle vomits into a bucket.

Ash apologises to Jale for losing his temper after finding out that she nominated him.

Exercise is popular in the house. Danielle works out with Kimberly and Christopher does a lone routine.

Helen discusses her warning from Big Brother with Steven and Winston and says that she, ‘has to shut the ****** up.’

Matthew talks to Ashleigh and Toya about Helen and says: ‘She’s got a gob like the Dartford Tunnel.’

Ashleigh, Mark and Chris take part in the next part of the shopping task. Helen makes a start on the trial that is cleaning the kitchen.

Mark tries to build bridges in the house and asks Matthew to be civil to Helen for his sake.

Big Brother reveals that the number in the Brain Box is 55, the total points won by the Housemates amounted to 49, meaning the house has failed the shopping task.

Marlon and Winston complain about Steven, Ashleigh and Danielle not eating the special breakfast.

Marlon talks to Jale about something Ashleigh said during the shopping task announcement, that she didn’t know why all the nominated housemates were upset as one of them was going home. He says he might snap and Jale tell him: ‘You’re cleverer that that.’

Steven and Winston talk about Toya and Winston says he doesn’t like her. Steven says he thinks she’s alright but she’s quite hot-headed.

Marlon goes to the Diary Room to talk about what he heard Ashleigh say and he admits that recently he has seen a different side of her and that he, ‘prefers the old one.’ He blames this on the company she is keeping, Big brother asks who he means and he says, ‘Toya’.

Ash, Helen, Winston and Mark talk about if they would have eaten the special breakfast, Mark says: ‘If I had to eat a pig cock omelette, I’d give it a go.’

Matthew goes to the Diary Room to discuss his row with Helen and says: ‘I lose intellect talking to her.’ He also observes: ‘She’s the dirt in the house.’ He also says that he thinks Mark is afraid of Helen and that he doesn’t understand what their friendship is based on.

Ash tells Big Brother that he feels the other Housemates don’t appreciate that Helen has feelings too and believe her hard faced persona.

Mark asks Matthew who he thinks is the most ruthless in the house, Matthew says Helen or maybe Ash. They reflect on Jale’s position in the house and agree that people respect her now and that she doesn’t deserve the Killer Nomination and that anyone in the house deserves it more than her.

Toya and Ashleigh agree that Steven looks like he’s wearing eye-liner and Toya says that Steven tries too hard in front of the camera and so does Winston.

Mark talks to Big Brother about who is going to crack in the house and he says Ashleigh, he doesn’t want her to get into a row with the house as she is only 18 and that if she does he will have to go ‘******ing nuts.’

Toya says that although she found Ash attractive at the start, since their altercation she now finds him, ‘really ugly.’

Steven asks Ashleigh who he most detests in the house and he says: ‘Ashleigh or Matthew,’ He finally decides on Ashleigh.

Ashleigh talk to Big Brother about the other Housemates, she observes that although the Housemates are in their mid to late twenties, she has never heard so much s**t in her life. She also says: ‘Ash is a very angry person.’

Helen says to Ash that she has been watching Ashleigh for weeks and that she told Toya to be careful with her. Helen thinks Ashleigh is using her age and looks to hide her real personality.


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[Miranda123]

I believe Helen has learnt some things about herself,I like her as she knows she is awful sometimes and has said she doesn't want to be like that,I like her a lot more than I used to and think she has done and learnt the most in this BB

Helen is the show. She even gave Ashleigh a storyline!

[jet]

The change in her behaviour came directly after she given the final warning, so it is associated with that.
But we got a peek at how she hasn't really changed when she had a wobbler when the house was told what she said about Steven and Kim. That showed how non - aware she continues to be about her own behaviour. She also heard something about Jale that didn't please her and she called her a '******* fat knobhead'. That is classic 'old' Helen.
Helen will be fine unless something happens that shifts her place in the house and she feels threatened. Then the bitch will surface once again. It's just lying dormant as she is feeling self - satisfied and content right now.
Watch this space....

[erinp5]

The change in her behaviour came directly after she given the final warning, so it is associated with that.
But we got a peek at how she hasn't really changed when she had a wobbler when the house was told what she said about Steven and Kim. That showed how non - aware she continues to be about her own behaviour. She also heard something about Jale that didn't please her and she called her a '******* fat knobhead'. That is classic 'old' Helen.
Helen will be fine unless something happens that shifts her place in the house and she feels threatened. Then the bitch will surface once again. It's just lying dormant as she is feeling self - satisfied and content right now.
Watch this space....

Exactly

[cookiemonster]

she will always be hot headed, that is just her. but i do think the turning point came when she was shown clips of herself

[Jay.]

I actually think she has been on a journey. They've all been in there 7 weeks now and it's the beginning of the end, hence their crying. I think she's actually quite a nice person and I like her (and there's no doubt she's a good housemate). But I actually think she has been on a journey and changed. Even though she reverts every now and then, but 'emotions are high in there' everyone does sometimes.

[Dollface]

Sometimes little bits of her old self shines through, such as when she manipulated Mark to pick Ash rather than Ashleigh during the Bruvstock task

[Dollface]

The change in her behaviour came directly after she given the final warning, so it is associated with that.
But we got a peek at how she hasn't really changed when she had a wobbler when the house was told what she said about Steven and Kim. That showed how non - aware she continues to be about her own behaviour. She also heard something about Jale that didn't please her and she called her a '******* fat knobhead'. That is classic 'old' Helen.
Helen will be fine unless something happens that shifts her place in the house and she feels threatened. Then the bitch will surface once again. It's just lying dormant as she is feeling self - satisfied and content right now.
Watch this space....

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[Cal.]

I think so. And may I just say the ending of tonight's episode has got to be one of my favourite scenes in Big Brother

[Kazanne]

I KNOW she's had a warning I saw it but is there actual proof of 15,I don't buy that why would BB warn her 15 times,surely she'de have been removed before it reached double figures,seems highly far fetched to me

[erinp5]

I KNOW she's had a warning I saw it but is there actual proof of 15,I don't buy that why would BB warn her 15 times,surely she'de have been removed before it reached double figures,seems highly far fetched to me

So Matthew who told us she got 14 warnings in the first week is mistaken.
BB when asked by journalists about the 14 (at that time) answered "no comment" instead of saying "that's not true"... made a mistake.
Helen telling the others that she has to shut the **** up now ...made a mistake, because why would she say that after one warning .
Everyone is wrong regarding her warnings ,she only has the one !! Okay then .



Helen Wood gets fourteen warnings from Big Brother?


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Posted on June 9 2014 at 01:42pm by Matt Scott

Big Brother 2014 Power Trip: launch night one - Helen Wood
Helen Wood has racked up a whopping fourteen warnings on her first four days in the Big Brother 2014: Power Trip house, it’s reported.

According to The Daily Star, producers have hauled the salon owner to the Diary Room on several occasions to tell her off – although they refuse publicly reveal what she’s done wrong.

A representative for Channel 5 declined to comment when asked whether her misdeeds were homophobic, racist or sexist in nature.

However, the newspaper added that chiefs have decided not to take further action at this stage.

Helen has apparently told the housemates about her warnings, and is quoted as saying: “I’ve done it again, 14 strikes! I’m in trouble, I’ve been told already. Just being a t*** – I need a filter!”

The 27-year-old is currently guaranteed a place in the Big Brother 2014 final after ‘power housemate’ Pauline granted her a pass to the end of the series on Friday night.

But both fans and housemates have speculated that she may lose the prize, with Matthew Davies remarking yesterday: “It’s way too good to be true.”

Big Brother continues tonight at 9.00pm on Channel 5 with the latest highlights show, followed by a ‘live surprise’ special at 10.00pm.


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[joeysteele]

Probably not a changed person but I feel like many others who go on BB,she will have learned a lot of things about herself good and bad.
Also feelings she may not have known or let go of in the past too.

She will have learned too from the warning that some behaviour is unacceptable but she took that on board and perhaps in the past,were she to be talked to like that outside, she would have just really likely blown up about it.

I doubt she thought she would find such a strong supporter and friend in Ash too,as well as a couple of others as well.
She clearly has learned how to hold her temper, although she still cannot resist getting digs in where she feels they are necessary.

For me however was the female power week, there she showed considerable and admirable restraint when she realised she had been ganged up on following Ashleigh's really nasty devious and vindictive act against Ash.
Helen wanted to spare him being up for eviction and was left stranded by all around her in the end and her acceptance of that showed a totally different Helen for me.

So yes she has had a journey, she has I think tried to take on board situations and as someone said on another thread, housemates who leave, apart from matthew, have near all said favourable things as to her.

I wasn't keen on Helen at all in the first weke or so but slowly she has impressed me and won me over,she will not win but she has gained one very special thing from her time in the house anyway.
That is a truly great and loyal friendship as to herself and Ash and all the money in the world cannot get you genuine friendships like that.

[RockBottom]

No and Chris doesn't either, 7 weeks and she is a changed person lmfao

Chris :conf:

Getting a bit desperate are we.

[Rageofangels]

I kind of think that anyone who goes into bb goes on a journey. Whether it affects them after they leave is another matter. I think Helen has learnt some lessons. I know I find here much better now than when she first arrived.

[Kazanne]

Probably not a changed person but I feel like many others who go on BB,she will have learned a lot of things about herself good and bad.
Also feelings she may not have known or let go of in the past too.

She will have learned too from the warning that some behaviour is unacceptable but she took that on board and perhaps in the past,were she to be talked to like that outside, she would have just really likely blown up about it.

I doubt she thought she would find such a strong supporter and friend in Ash too,as well as a couple of others as well.
She clearly has learned how to hold her temper, although she still cannot resist getting digs in where she feels they are necessary.

For me however was the female power week, there she showed considerable and admirable restraint when she realised she had been ganged up on following Ashleigh's really nasty devious and vindictive act against Ash.
Helen wanted to spare him being up for eviction and was left stranded by all around her in the end and her acceptance of that showed a totally different Helen for me.

So yes she has had a journey, she has I think tried to take on board situations and as someone said on another thread, housemates who leave, apart from matthew, have near all said favourable things as to her.

I wasn't keen on Helen at all in the first weke or so but slowly she has impressed me and won me over,she will not win but she has gained one very special thing from her time in the house anyway.
That is a truly great and loyal friendship as to herself and Ash and all the money in the world cannot get you genuine friendships like that.

Good post Joey,and you are right she may not win BB ,her friendship with Ash will be the best prize ever.

[erinp5]

When Ash gets out and finds out she was Rooney's ***** he won't be seen for dust.
He has needed her in the house and imo used her to get by the noms ,he caught on very early that she ran the gaff.

[CaudleHalbard]

To be honest I don't think Ash will have much to do with Helen even without the Rooney thing.

[Ammi]

..I think Helen maybe is learning something but I don't think that her 'journey' if she has started it in the BB house, will ever reach it's destination there because she still has far too little self awareness or empathy with others who aren't her 'friends'..empathy with our friends is the easy one, it doesn't take that much effort but putting yourself in the shoes of your 'enemy' and people she doesn't like is something she needs to do when she speaks to them in the way she does and knows herself how sensitive she is to these things or any criticism...she's a working progress, or I hope she is, it would be nice to think this experience has made her think about things more...

..but in their ways, they've all gone on a journey, something like this must make a difference in your life, whether it be a short termed one or a lasting thing...I think Ashleigh has as well..I don't think she was spiteful/nasty or vindictive at all in her manipulation in the Power girl thing, she simply played a game like Marlon did and like they all are and it didn't work out and I think she has learned from that as well and learned to also be a bit more tolerant and maybe take time out to spend a bit more time with her housemates getting to know them and not isolate herself so much...maybe that's a throwback of feeling isolated when she was bullied, who knows...

..it's been an exhausting house to watch so must have been horrendously so to live in and I think they're all finally reigning in their judgements of each other a bit and actually trying to get along and get to know each other better..will it last..?...probably not....

[jet]

..I think Helen maybe is learning something but I don't think that her 'journey' if she has started it in the BB house, will ever reach it's destination there because she still has far too little self awareness or empathy with others who aren't her 'friends'..empathy with our friends is the easy one, it doesn't take that much effort but putting yourself in the shoes of your 'enemy' and people she doesn't like is something she needs to do when she speaks to them in the way she does and knows herself how sensitive she is to these things or any criticism...she's a working progress, or I hope she is, it would be nice to think this experience has made her think about things more...

..but in their ways, they've all gone on a journey, something like this must make a difference in your life, whether it be a short termed one or a lasting thing...I think Ashleigh has as well..I don't think she was spiteful/nasty or vindictive at all in her manipulation in the Power girl thing, she simply played a game like Marlon did and like they all are and it didn't work out and I think she has learned from that as well and learned to also be a bit more tolerant and maybe take time out to spend a bit more time with her housemates getting to know them and not isolate herself so much...maybe that's a throwback of feeling isolated when she was bullied, who knows...

..it's been an exhausting house to watch so must have been horrendously so to live in and I think they're all finally reigning in their judgements of each other a bit and actually trying to get along and get to know each other better..will it last..?...probably not....

:clap1::clap1: Well said Ammi. Your posts are always fair and spot on.

[waterhog]

no sure if she will change but i respect her for relizeing she is judgmental - and hopefully she will take this on board.

[joeysteele]

Good post Joey,and you are right she may not win BB ,her friendship with Ash will be the best prize ever.

I would consider gaining a good friendship from my time in BB as the real prize,only one can win the big one as to money and often the wrong people do so in every series of BB anyway.

I also think Ash is a really decent guy and for him to have befriended Helen and stuck by her as to her credit she has also done as to him, is one of the nicest things to have been seen from this series.

At least, you know where you are with Helen and Ash,unlike Ashleigh in particular who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw her.
With Helen, if I crossed her,I would likely get a foul mouthed rant and a full blown argument with her but at least I would be in no doubt what she thought of me.

With Ashleigh for instance, I would need to be a mind reader or be able to hear what she said all the time to others behind my back, with her never daring to say things to my face.

As you and I agree on, Helen has a great prize already with her friendship with Ash,I hope it does continue outside the house and somehow I think it will.

[Fendertele]

Helen has now changed her behaviour simply because her 'gang' are down to two full time members and one floater, they are a minority in the house, and she knows full well they could be picked off one by one by the rest of the HM's who were continually in her sights over the weeks that have passed.....She could be in the final with-out Ash, or maybe Winston, but I think Winston will be there with her.....

[Tip]

I don't think it's what I'd call a journey - probably more like an afternoon stroll.

27 years old and she's learnt that she's judgmental - which of course is a great thing to learn but really - does indicate that the barriers she has to self perception appear to be enormous.

A return to friends and an environment where nobody challenges her behaviour and attitudes and she'll probably forget about it and return to her habitual way of responding in all probability.

She'd have to have a reason to really change long term - but maybe she will have one.

[Braden]

No way, she's acted a like a dick the entire time she's been in there, we're only getting a watered down version now because of how many warnings she's had.

[Cherie]

Chris :conf:

Getting a bit desperate are we.

Desperate for what Rockbottom, did you not see the clip of Chris blubbering to Helen last night about her journey and how she has changed??

[jet]

Ash has been attached to Helen's hip since the beginning as he realized she was someone whose good side you needed to be on. He hasn't much of a personality of his own and can you imagine what we would have seen of him if he wasn't always by her side?
He's so laid back and boring he's practically comatose. Helen gives him some relevance.
There have been times when Helen was being a bitch where I've seen a look on his face that said "What the hell have I got stuck with". :shocked:
So he could be using her. It's no skin off my nose if they became lifelong friends, but I don't think that will happen.

[mizzmee]

15 warning and told she may be removed from the house ...that's the reason for her 'epiphany' nowt else .

There is 1 other aspect to Helen's 'journey' they aren't feeding her with as much booze to try keep her mouth shut. The nasty side still slips out and I'm sure we are never shown if she does turn into Mecha B!tch

[rocket]

She has not mellowed just been edited better imo

Very true..
Very protected..
Hope she's first out in the final...

[Kazanne]

There is 1 other aspect to Helen's 'journey' they aren't feeding her with as much booze to try keep her mouth shut. The nasty side still slips out and I'm sure we are never shown if she does turn into Mecha B!tch

If it wasn't for Helen's 'nasty side' as some call it,we'de be watching paint dry,most of the other housemates storylines are centered around her aswell.

[chuff me dizzy]

Do I hellaslike

[Tip]

If it wasn't for Helen's 'nasty side' as some call it,we'de be watching paint dry,most of the other housemates storylines are centered around her aswell.


That may be true - however it may also be untrue.

Helen's aggression may have suppressed quite a lot from other housemates that we may now never see. She may have inhibited a lot of stuff that could have been very entertaining.

Then again maybe not, in which case BB did a bad job of selection.

[jet]

If it wasn't for Helen's 'nasty side' as some call it,we'de be watching paint dry,most of the other housemates storylines are centered around her aswell.

So you like her nasty side....
The HM's storylines are only centered around her inasmuch as how she has stifled and destroyed their experience and to what extent they have managed to rise above it. Ashleigh did it best, that is why she's a big fave. :cheer2:

[Kazanne]

Ash has been attached to Helen's hip since the beginning as he realized she was someone whose good side you needed to be on. He hasn't much of a personality of his own and can you imagine what we would have seen of him if he wasn't always by her side?
He's so laid back and boring he's practically comatose. Helen gives him some relevance.
There have been times when Helen was being a bitch where I've seen a look on his face that said "What the hell have I got stuck with". :shocked:
So he could be using her. It's no skin off my nose if they became lifelong friends, but I don't think that will happen.

God people are hard to please Ash is useless because he says nowt and is laid back,Helen is 'vile' because feisty and gobby,so c'mon enlighten me Jet,why do you like the housemate you do?

[Kazanne]

So you like her nasty side....
The HM's storylines are only centered around her inasmuch as how she has stifled and destroyed their experience and to what extent they have managed to rise above it. Ashleigh did it best, that is why she's a big fave. :cheer2:

No,Ashleigh is liked because she is young and pretty,people can deny that all they like,if she was fat and ugly,she wouldn't be so popular , I didn't say I liked her nastiness,but don't forget your little princess also has that side to her, but hides it well,and sorry it's bull**** that she has destroyed their experiences,she's good but she's not THAT good,they are all adults not kids.

[chuff me dizzy]

No,Ashleigh is liked because she is young and pretty,people can deny that all they like,if she was fat and ugly,she wouldn't be so popular , I didn't say I liked her nastiness,but don't forget your little princess also has that side to her, but hides it well,and sorry it's bull**** that she has destroyed their experiences,she's good but she's not THAT good,they are all adults not kids.

:clap1: Im no Helen fan,but prefer her to Ashleigh ,Ashleigh is all talk ,then next minute up their arses ,seen this more and more with Helen

[Ammi]

No,Ashleigh is liked because she is young and pretty,people can deny that all they like,if she was fat and ugly,she wouldn't be so popular , I didn't say I liked her nastiness,but don't forget your little princess also has that side to her, but hides it well,and sorry it's bull**** that she has destroyed their experiences,she's good but she's not THAT good,they are all adults not kids.


..that is not true at all except for maybe a small percentage if anything..Chris is my favourite housemate by far and is in no way deemed 'the hunk of the house' so that's really quite unfair ....in fact in terms of beauty and sex appeal, Kimberly for me by far outshone all the females...

[Kazanne]

..that is not true at all except for maybe a small percentage if anything..Chris is my favourite housemate by far and is in no way deemed 'the hunk of the house' so that's really quite unfair ....in fact in terms of beauty and sex appeal, Kimberly for me by far outshone all the females...

Imo, it is,what else has she brought to the house to be so popular.i could understand if she had been a great housemate,but imo she hasn't

[Ammi]

Imo, it is,what else has she brought to the house to be so popular.i could understand if she had been a great housemate,but imo she hasn't

..then all Ash threads must be cause he's the best looking male and no other reason/he's brought nothing else to the house..?...his fans would disagree I'm sure as Ashleigh's fans do ..as any housemates fans would because we all think the people we like have brought a lot to the house which is why we like them...

[Jake.]

..then all Ash threads must be cause he's the best looking male and no other reason/he's brought nothing else to the house..?...his fans would disagree I'm sure as Ashleigh's fans do ..as any housemates fans would because we all think the people we like have brought a lot to the house which is why we like them...

Exactly.. I don't see why people have to continuously justify what they deem to be entertaining, either. If I support a housemate then I'm most likely going to think that they've brought something to the show, even if others disagree

[Kazanne]

..then all Ash threads must be cause he's the best looking male and no other reason/he's brought nothing else to the house..?...his fans would disagree I'm sure as Ashleigh's fans do ..as any housemates fans would because we all think the people we like have brought a lot to the house which is why we like them...

Well at the moment my fave is Chris,I like Mark,Helen ,Christopher,Ash is nice to look at,but I wouldn't blindly support him for that,but he does seem like a nice enough guy,If someone can give me a low down on why Ashleigh is such a good housemate and fave,I'll be happy to read it .

[Jake.]

No,Ashleigh is liked because she is young and pretty,people can deny that all they like,if she was fat and ugly,she wouldn't be so popular , I didn't say I liked her nastiness,but don't forget your little princess also has that side to her, but hides it well,and sorry it's bull**** that she has destroyed their experiences,she's good but she's not THAT good,they are all adults not kids.

So you think Helen would be as liked if she was unattractive? The fact that a huge level of Ashleigh's fanbase is female/gay says something..

[Jake.]

Well at the moment my fave is Chris,I like Mark,Helen ,Christopher,Ash is nice to look at,but I wouldn't blindly support him for that,but he does seem like a nice enough guy,If someone can give me a low down on why Ashleigh is such a good housemate and fave,I'll be happy to read it .

But why should anybody need to? I know that you support Helen and I think fair play to you, you should be able to support who you wish with no questioning because in your opinion, Helen is a good housemate.. That's all there is to it really

[chuff me dizzy]

Imo, it is,what else has she brought to the house to be so popular.i could understand if she had been a great housemate,but imo she hasn't

If Ashleigh was 30 she wouldn't be liked on here

[Jake.]

The whole 'people only like her because she's pretty' crap doesn't add up either, given how her popularity has only spiked within the past 3 or so weeks.

[Ammi]

Well at the moment my fave is Chris,I like Mark,Helen ,Christopher,Ash is nice to look at,but I wouldn't blindly support him for that,but he does seem like a nice enough guy,If someone can give me a low down on why Ashleigh is such a good housemate and fave,I'll be happy to read it .

..I think that's been done for the past 8 weeks and many times so I doubt you will change your mind now Kaz :laugh:..but that's cool and no one's questioning your choices of housemates...it's just inaccurate to say Ashleigh is only liked for her looks when there have been thread after thread on her behaviour..good and bad..in the house...no different from Helen really...

[chuff me dizzy]

The whole 'people only like her because she's pretty' crap doesn't add up either, given how her popularity has only spiked within the past 3 or so weeks.

Right flower ,please tell us what she's done to make her so popular ? because Im beggared if I know

[chuff me dizzy]

..I think that's been done for the past 8 weeks and many times so I doubt you will change your mind now Kaz :laugh:..but that's cool and no one's questioning your choices of housemates...it's just inaccurate to say Ashleigh is only liked for her looks when there have been thread after thread on her behaviour..good and bad..in the house...no different from Helen really...

BS she's only been popular for last 2 weeks on here, please keep up

[Jake.]

Right flower ,please tell us what she's done to make her so popular ? because Im beggared if I know

Well I can't speak for others, all I know is that I like her as a housemate and that's that :shrug:

[Jake.]

BS she's only been popular for last 2 weeks on here, please keep up

Doesn't mean that there wasn't any threads about her prior to three weeks ago though, does it

[chuff me dizzy]

Well I can't speak for others, all I know is that I like her as a housemate and that's that :shrug:

For what reason ?

[chuff me dizzy]

Doesn't mean that there wasn't any threads about her prior to three weeks ago though, does it

I said ^^ she has only been popular the last 2 weeks ,and its true

[Jake.]

For what reason ?

Step back with the interrogation, it'd be like me saying 'I didn't like Luke A in BB13 so you need to tell me why you did'.. Am I not able to enjoy watching a housemate without having to explain why?

[Jake.]

I said ^^ she has only been popular the last 2 weeks ,and its true

I know you did, and I said that there were threads about her prior to her becoming 'popular' which is also true

[Ammi]

BS she's only been popular for last 2 weeks on here, please keep up

..she must have only acquired her popular good looks in the last two weeks then otherwise she would have been popular from the start... or maybe it's just as her personality has developed over the weeks...

[chuff me dizzy]

Step back with the interrogation, it'd be like me saying 'I didn't like Luke A in BB13 so you need to tell me why you did'.. Am I not able to enjoy watching a housemate without having to explain why?

Step back with the attitude !! You are saying she's the best thing since aspirins were invented ,i asked you why ,its a simple question,but you seem to be struggling to answer it

[Jake.]

..she must have only acquired her popular good looks in the last two weeks then otherwise she would have been popular from the start... or maybe it's just as her personality has developed over the weeks...

Yeah, exactly.. Think I made a similar point earlier :laugh: unless she's only started applying more makeup

[chuff me dizzy]

I know you did, and I said that there were threads about her prior to her becoming 'popular' which is also true

There are threads about everyone ,so what does that show ?

[Jake.]

Step back with the attitude !! You are saying she's the best thing since aspirins were invented ,i asked you why ,its a simple question,but you seem to be struggling to answer it

Show me where I've said that then..

And not really, I just don't feel like I owe yourself or anybody else an explanation.. You wouldn't be asking the same question to somebody who supports Ash or Chris. And there's no point in me giving you my opinion when it's only going to be shot down anyway.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yeah, exactly.. Think I made a similar point earlier :laugh: unless she's only started applying more makeup

So its looks ? oh come on fgs,I dont even think she's pretty and without makeup you could play dot to dot on her face ,so because you think she's pretty makes her a good hm8 who deserves to win the show ? how shallow

[Jake.]

There are threads about everyone ,so what does that show ?

That some people obviously supported her prior to three weeks ago

[chuff me dizzy]

That some people obviously supported her prior to three weeks ago

Of course but its only the last 2 weeks she's become the forum sweetheart

[Jake.]

So its looks ? oh come on fgs,I dont even think she's pretty and without makeup you could play dot to dot on her face ,so because you think she's pretty makes her a good hm8 who deserves to win the show ? how shallow

What are you on about? Myself and Ammi are referring to people who claim that people such as myself only support Ashleigh because of her 'looks' (which I find shallow and insulting, like yourself) so we've raised the (sarcastic) point that her looks must have only improved within the last three weeks (because that's when her popularity seemed to have spiked)

[Jake.]

Of course but its only the last 2 weeks she's become the forum sweetheart

I know, I've never argued with you on that point, it's definetly been within the last 3 or so weeks

[Ammi]

..I would say anyway that Chris is the forum favourite in general but we only have a few female housemates left...Zoe is new and not making the best of impressions so it's down to Ashleigh and Helen as females we prefer and there are also many Helen fans as well as Ashleigh ones and with both, their physical appearance have had nothing to do with preference..for most anyway....

[jet]

Well at the moment my fave is Chris,I like Mark,Helen ,Christopher,Ash is nice to look at,but I wouldn't blindly support him for that,but he does seem like a nice enough guy,If someone can give me a low down on why Ashleigh is such a good housemate and fave,I'll be happy to read it .

Why is she a good HM? Ashleigh is my joint fave with Chris (although if he doesn't stop fawning over Helen he's got to go). I also like Christopher and Mark.
I didn't particularly like Ashleigh much at first. Like a lot of them, she was just there.
But since she showed her strength in the face of adversity when all the **** was thrown her way, I've liked her more and more. As in...

1. During girl power she took over and showed her mettle with a great strategy and strength of purpose. That it didn't work matters not a jot to me. She went for it fearlessly.

2. BB gave Helen and Kim the means to blast her from the morgue and what did the little minx do? Cry? Cower? No. She gave it right back with bells on.

3. BB shows her DR convo about Ash to the person who they have given a warning to about bullying. Then Helen and Kim dash out all joyful and smug like schoolyard idiots and Helen started in on Ashleigh, just as BB wanted her to. Did she cry? Cower? No. She told Helen she was pathetic and to get over it.

4. When she is nominated for eviction she takes it on the chin, whereas when Ash is nominated he says he doesn't deserve it and he shouldn't be up - and Helen goes ape**** that someone would dare nominate one of her harem. It doesn't matter that SHE also nominates those she likes less.

5. Ashleigh gets voted power HM and told she has immunity, then it is taken off her. BB strikes again. Does she rant like Steven about being up? No. She takes it on the chin even though it was a cruel twist.

BB has thrown more at her than any others (Helen only got one quote about Kim and she nearly had a breakdown).
There is a lot more - but nobody wants to read an essay.

The girl is amazing for one so young. She's mature, intelligent, smart, funny, savvy, composed and very strong.
And I take offense at being told I only like her because of her looks. She's a KID. My youngest daughter is older than Ashleigh. I like her because she's playing a cracking game with composure and dignity and all of the above.

Contrast that with Helen....now you tell me why she is a fave?

[Kizzy]

Yes I do 100%

[beardedbloke]

Why is she a good HM? Ashleigh is my joint fave with Chris (although if he doesn't stop fawning over Helen he's got to go). I also like Christopher and Mark.
I didn't particularly like Ashleigh much at first. Like a lot of them, she was just there.
But since she showed her strength in the face of adversity when all the **** was thrown her way, I've liked her more and more. As in...

1. During girl power she took over and showed her mettle with a great strategy and strength of purpose. That it didn't work matters not a jot to me. She went for it fearlessly.

2. BB gave Helen and Kim the means to blast her from the morgue and what did the little minx do? Cry? Cower? No. She gave it right back with bells on.

3. BB shows her DR convo about Ash to the person who they have given a warning to about bullying. Then Helen and Kim dash out all joyful and smug like schoolyard idiots and Helen started in on Ashleigh, just as BB wanted her to. Did she cry? Cower? No. She told Helen she was pathetic and to get over it.

4. When she is nominated for eviction she takes it on the chin, whereas when Ash is nominated he says he doesn't deserve it and he shouldn't be up - and Helen goes ape**** that someone would dare nominate one of her harem. It doesn't matter that SHE also nominates those she likes less.

5. Ashleigh gets voted power HM and told she has immunity, then it is taken off her. BB strikes again. Does she rant like Steven about being up? No. She takes it on the chin even though it was a cruel twist.

BB has thrown more at her than any others (Helen only got one quote about Kim and she nearly had a breakdown).
There is a lot more - but nobody wants to read an essay.

The girl is amazing for one so young. She's mature, intelligent, smart, funny, savvy, composed and very strong.
And I take offense at being told I only like her because of her looks. She's a KID. My youngest daughter is older than Ashleigh. I like her because she's playing a cracking game with composure and dignity and all of the above.

Contrast that with Helen....now you tell me why she is a fave?

bloody well said Jet. That's how I feel about Ashleigh. The fact that she can sometimes be a bitch, in my mind, goes in her favour, because without that gritty strength, she would have crumbled and been a snivelling wreck, much like Steven when he gets nominated.

Ashleigh has shown how it should be done with honour and dignity. I think she's great.

[Ammi]

Why is she a good HM? Ashleigh is my joint fave with Chris (although if he doesn't stop fawning over Helen he's got to go). I also like Christopher and Mark.
I didn't particularly like Ashleigh much at first. Like a lot of them, she was just there.
But since she showed her strength in the face of adversity when all the **** was thrown her way, I've liked her more and more. As in...

1. During girl power she took over and showed her mettle with a great strategy and strength of purpose. That it didn't work matters not a jot to me. She went for it fearlessly.

2. BB gave Helen and Kim the means to blast her from the morgue and what did the little minx do? Cry? Cower? No. She gave it right back with bells on.

3. BB shows her DR convo about Ash to the person who they have given a warning to about bullying. Then Helen and Kim dash out all joyful and smug like schoolyard idiots and Helen started in on Ashleigh, just as BB wanted her to. Did she cry? Cower? No. She told Helen she was pathetic and to get over it.

4. When she is nominated for eviction she takes it on the chin, whereas when Ash is nominated he says he doesn't deserve it and he shouldn't be up - and Helen goes ape**** that someone would dare nominate one of her harem. It doesn't matter that SHE also nominates those she likes less.

5. Ashleigh gets voted power HM and told she has immunity, then it is taken off her. BB strikes again. Does she rant like Steven about being up? No. She takes it on the chin even though it was a cruel twist.

BB has thrown more at her than any others (Helen only got one quote about Kim and she nearly had a breakdown).
There is a lot more - but nobody wants to read an essay.

The girl is amazing for one so young. She's mature, intelligent, smart, funny, savvy, composed and very strong.
And I take offense at being told I only like her because of her looks. She's a KID. My youngest daughter is older than Ashleigh. I like her because she's playing a cracking game with composure and dignity and all of the above.

Contrast that with Helen....now you tell me why she is a fave?

..hmm, that's almost a perfect post..:tongue:...and when she tried to strategize or manipulate Ash not being saved whichever way people would look at it, I think she saw him as the closest to Helen and a way to fragment the 'group' ..but has grown to like him/they seem to have a new respect for each other and that's also not always present in an 18yr old..that she can reflect and her opinions can be changed..?...some young people have it but not all do/it's a good and admirable trait...I like you have sons older than Ashleigh, have no interest in her appearance and find it beyond ridiculous that, that should be levelled as the only reason to like her when she has shown many good qualities in the house...but also, she can bitch with the best of them, so that wipes all of those out..?..but yeah, perfect post Jet..applause, applause..:laugh:....

[erinp5]

With the public in control I will watch with interest how Helen reacts .

[joeysteele]

I have never really liked Ashleigh, she was for me,the most boring, inactive and surly housemate for weeks when the series started.

All she has really shown me is her 2 faced side, where she has plenty to say bad about people but 'never' to their faces,only to others.
Hence her being caught out in vt playbacks and while others watched and heard her.

However, one thing I find myself irritating is her age being held up as she needs to be thought of as special because of that.
When my Mother was 18 she was married,had a baby and was running a home after marrying my Dad on her 17th Birthday.

Ashleigh is an adult,she was well able to apply and get on BB and her age should never be a factor.
Having said that, she has been one of the most miserable,surly and whining 18 year olds I have come across for most of the series.
Showing a really vindictive streak in that she cannot get to Helen so has used Ash to get at her.
If all we had in the house from the start was 16 Ashleigh's then as someone put it,watching paint dry would have been more exciting.

She has admittedly done and got better in the last 2 weeks,I readily admit to that and even moreso now Danielles gone.
All that however went before, is for me, probably how she really is and this new attitude is conveniently appearing in the run in to the final.

Back to who this thread is actually about, Helen, well she doesn't need to be any different really,she is already in the final, no matter what.
Whatever happens there won't really matter, both won't winin my view, and both are finalists.
This is also now the 2nd time Ashleigh has been given immunity for being nominated as well,so she has had help too.
Just as Helen has had great help, the public chose Pauline to be the power housemate,with that power from the public, Pauline was asked to select 'any' housemate for a free pass, she chose Helen.
Both have had good assistance to reach the final and as to Helen's journey, I would guess,only guess, that Helen has learned far more about herself than Ashleigh ever will as to herself.

[jet]

..hmm, that's almost a perfect post..:tongue:...and when she tried to strategize or manipulate Ash not being saved whichever way people would look at it, I think she saw him as the closest to Helen and a way to fragment the 'group' ..but has grown to like him/they seem to have a new respect for each other and that's also not always present in an 18yr old..that she can reflect and her opinions can be changed..?...some young people have it but not all do/it's a good and admirable trait...I like you have sons older than Ashleigh, have no interest in her appearance and find it beyond ridiculous that, that should be levelled as the only reason to like her when she has shown many good qualities in the house...but also, she can bitch with the best of them, so that wipes all of those out..?..but yeah, perfect post Jet..applause, applause..:laugh:....

Thanks Ammi. Well, a few were asking over and over to be told why Ashleigh is a favorite. I thought I'd make the effort but so far I'm not sure why I bothered...:shrug:

[Dollface]

Why is she a good HM? Ashleigh is my joint fave with Chris (although if he doesn't stop fawning over Helen he's got to go). I also like Christopher and Mark.
I didn't particularly like Ashleigh much at first. Like a lot of them, she was just there.
But since she showed her strength in the face of adversity when all the **** was thrown her way, I've liked her more and more. As in...

1. During girl power she took over and showed her mettle with a great strategy and strength of purpose. That it didn't work matters not a jot to me. She went for it fearlessly.

2. BB gave Helen and Kim the means to blast her from the morgue and what did the little minx do? Cry? Cower? No. She gave it right back with bells on.

3. BB shows her DR convo about Ash to the person who they have given a warning to about bullying. Then Helen and Kim dash out all joyful and smug like schoolyard idiots and Helen started in on Ashleigh, just as BB wanted her to. Did she cry? Cower? No. She told Helen she was pathetic and to get over it.

4. When she is nominated for eviction she takes it on the chin, whereas when Ash is nominated he says he doesn't deserve it and he shouldn't be up - and Helen goes ape**** that someone would dare nominate one of her harem. It doesn't matter that SHE also nominates those she likes less.

5. Ashleigh gets voted power HM and told she has immunity, then it is taken off her. BB strikes again. Does she rant like Steven about being up? No. She takes it on the chin even though it was a cruel twist.

BB has thrown more at her than any others (Helen only got one quote about Kim and she nearly had a breakdown).
There is a lot more - but nobody wants to read an essay.

The girl is amazing for one so young. She's mature, intelligent, smart, funny, savvy, composed and very strong.
And I take offense at being told I only like her because of her looks. She's a KID. My youngest daughter is older than Ashleigh. I like her because she's playing a cracking game with composure and dignity and all of the above.

Contrast that with Helen....now you tell me why she is a fave?

Well said!

[Jake.]

Thanks Ammi. Well, a few were asking over and over to be told why Ashleigh is a favorite. I thought I'd make the effort but so far I'm not sure why I bothered...:shrug:

There was no point in doing so, support your favourite without feeling the need to explain yourself

[Kazanne]

Why is she a good HM? Ashleigh is my joint fave with Chris (although if he doesn't stop fawning over Helen he's got to go). I also like Christopher and Mark.
I didn't particularly like Ashleigh much at first. Like a lot of them, she was just there.
But since she showed her strength in the face of adversity when all the **** was thrown her way, I've liked her more and more. As in...

1. During girl power she took over and showed her mettle with a great strategy and strength of purpose. That it didn't work matters not a jot to me. She went for it fearlessly.

2. BB gave Helen and Kim the means to blast her from the morgue and what did the little minx do? Cry? Cower? No. She gave it right back with bells on.

3. BB shows her DR convo about Ash to the person who they have given a warning to about bullying. Then Helen and Kim dash out all joyful and smug like schoolyard idiots and Helen started in on Ashleigh, just as BB wanted her to. Did she cry? Cower? No. She told Helen she was pathetic and to get over it.

4. When she is nominated for eviction she takes it on the chin, whereas when Ash is nominated he says he doesn't deserve it and he shouldn't be up - and Helen goes ape**** that someone would dare nominate one of her harem. It doesn't matter that SHE also nominates those she likes less.

5. Ashleigh gets voted power HM and told she has immunity, then it is taken off her. BB strikes again. Does she rant like Steven about being up? No. She takes it on the chin even though it was a cruel twist.

BB has thrown more at her than any others (Helen only got one quote about Kim and she nearly had a breakdown).
There is a lot more - but nobody wants to read an essay.

The girl is amazing for one so young. She's mature, intelligent, smart, funny, savvy, composed and very strong.
And I take offense at being told I only like her because of her looks. She's a KID. My youngest daughter is older than Ashleigh. I like her because she's playing a cracking game with composure and dignity and all of the above.

Contrast that with Helen....now you tell me why she is a fave?

Sorry Jet,none of that has made me change my mind,you have said nothing negative about her,why not? when she clearly has a negative side,very spiteful and sly,but none of that is mentioned,so although I have read that ,I think it's not quite accurate,you'll be telling me next she ****s haribos!!

[Jake.]

Did you not ask for why her fans support her? Of course it's not going to contain negative points.

[Tarryn]

Yes, Helen has truly been on an epic journey.
She departed from Total-Bitch-Station,
Then arrived at Nasty-Street,
Then went on to Vile-Disgusting Road,
A brief stay at Nice to your face Hotel,
Then on to Two-Faced Village.
Where to next ?.

[Jake.]

Yes, Helen has truly been on an epic journey.
She departed from Total-Bitch-Station,
Then arrived at Nasty-Street,
Then went on to Vile-Disgusting Road,
A brief stay at Nice to your face Hotel,
Then on to Two-Faced Village.
Where to next ?.

No-Career Valley?

[Tarryn]

No-Career Valley?

Ash has already brought the two of them a ticket :laugh:

[jet]

Sorry Jet,none of that has made me change my mind,you have said nothing negative about her,why not? when she clearly has a negative side,very spiteful and sly,but none of that is mentioned,so although I have read that ,I think it's not quite accurate,you'll be telling me next she ****s haribos!!

You asked me why I liked her, and I took the time and effort to tell you exactly why I did. You didn't ask me why I didn't like her.

I didn't think it would change your mind, and why would I say she was spiteful and sly if I don't believe she is? That is YOUR opinion, I don't have to share it. I indicated her bitchy side, which I believe she has.
If you don't want peoples opinions without being sarcastic and rude in return don't ask for them. But I should have known not to bother.

[Jake.]

You asked me why I liked her, and I took the time and effort to tell you exactly why I did. You didn't ask me why I didn't like her.

I didn't think it would change your mind, and why would I say she was spiteful and sly if I don't believe she is? That is YOUR opinion, I don't have to share it. I indicated her bitchy side, which I believe she has.
If you don't want peoples opinions without being sarcastic and rude in return don't ask for them. But I should have known not to bother.

:worship:

[Firewire]

You asked me why I liked her, and I took the time and effort to tell you exactly why I did. You didn't ask me why I didn't like her.

I didn't think it would change your mind, and why would I say she was spiteful and sly if I don't believe she is? That is YOUR opinion, I don't have to share it. I indicated her bitchy side, which I believe she has.
If you don't want peoples opinions without being sarcastic and rude in return don't ask for them. But I should have known not to bother.

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

You asked me why I liked her, and I took the time and effort to tell you exactly why I did. You didn't ask me why I didn't like her.

I didn't think it would change your mind, and why would I say she was spiteful and sly if I don't believe she is? That is YOUR opinion, I don't have to share it. I indicated her bitchy side, which I believe she has.
If you don't want peoples opinions without being sarcastic and rude in return don't ask for them. But I should have known not to bother.

:joker::joker: now now:hehe:

[Kazanne]

:clap1:

:clap1::clap1:

[jet]

Yes, Helen has truly been on an epic journey.
She departed from Total-Bitch-Station,
Then arrived at Nasty-Street,
Then went on to Vile-Disgusting Road,
A brief stay at Nice to your face Hotel,
Then on to Two-Faced Village.
Where to next ?.

:joker::joker:

[Daffodil]

She hasn't changed. It is just that everyone around her is treading on eggshells trying to be in her good books.