Excuse Me Judy James.....

[Miranda123]

.....................But you talk bollocks!!

Who'd pay for a psychotherapist who thought it was impossible for some people to change???

[Jordan.]

She was right about Chris

[joeysteele]

.....................But you talk bollocks!!

Who'd pay for a psychotherapist who thought it was impossible for some people to change???

She is really pathetic, they all are really but I find she talks even more nonsense.
I honestly haven't a clue why bbbots time is consumed by having these fame desperate people on in the first place.

[Mystic Mock]

Chris needs some sexual healing from Kimbot lol.

[Josy]

What did she say?

[Alf]

What Josy said

[Jords]

I thought she was pretty accurate regarding both Helen and Chris.

[Miranda123]

She was right about Chris

My next door neighbours dog was right about Chris, he's walking around with a perv tag round his neck ffs (Chris is, not my next door neighbours dog)

She's a con artist on retainer is what she is!

[rusticgal]

I thought she was pretty accurate regarding both Helen and Chris.


Me too...

[GypsyGoth]

The only thing I was paying attention for was how she said that Helen can't be bothered picking on the new people, so because of that Chris is picking on Pav, Chris is trying to establish that he has higher status than him.

And she also mentioned the bad treatment from Mark towards Christopher and how he said something like - I'd be so proud of you if you did it. Regarding him drinking the soya sauce and other condiments. She said that was one of the worst ways of trying to get someone to do something, maybe she said it was sly.

Anyway I must admit that I do like listening to her.

[MojoNixon]

She was right about Chris

For you? And then she is psychotherapist???

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Miranda123]

What did she say?

the complete obvious about Chris, he has a crush on Ashleigh (theyre paying her for this stuff, when they could get that info on here for free)

and she said that Helen couldnt change and that she would always be nasty and that she is playing nice cause she can see the final

I can understand the forum users who hate Helen saying that, I would too if I didnt like her, but a professional (supposed) saying she cant change??

Im betting she got her diploma on the internet.....

[MojoNixon]

Im betting she got her diploma on the internet.....

:clap1:

[debee]

I hear them saying Helen is still nasty underneath , can't change etc but Ashleigh it has been said, has changed , been on a journey and learnt. So why can one person be on a journey, learn from it and change, but not Helen. I feel really sorry for her that none of the so called professionals can see the difference. I think they go with what they think the public want to hear. For pitys sake give Helen a break. Mark has changed for the worse , how he treats Christopher is really not nice.

[Jake.]

Judy >>

[Bedouin]

Judi James is not a psychotherapist; she is some kind of a 'body language expert' which is pretty far off of being able to have a truly deep and insightful understanding of the human condition.

This is evidenced not only by her qualification but also her lack of compassion and, by the sounds of it, her patently untrue statement that Helen will be unable to change. Anyone who understands self knowledge and therapy will get that such changes are difficult but not impossible. (to learn about self knowledge try Daniel Mackler on YouTube for some very insightful and instructive, potentially life-changing videos.)

I see what she is saying; some people are seen as simply being unable to change... But all it takes is the right approach, and for the person trying to change to truly understand that it will be difficult and to very much want to improve themselves. 2 + 1 ≠ 2

Maybe Helen is one of those http://snl.jt.org/caps/episode_sketches/1993-04-10-7-1.jpg'unchangeable' people but judging from what we've seen I don't believe so.

There is also the fact that she judges everyone's behaviour (from past episodes that I've seen her talk on) on the merit that they are not even humans but animals, or base tribal morons of some other reductionistic sort. She doesn't address the nuance and the more personal aspects of people's psyches. Maybe I am a bit off-point here as I have not seen her talk in a few weeks.

And I must add, that she has some pretty damn interesting insights, but then seems to undo them with a completely weird left-field comment which doesn't make any sense. Her conclusions tend to come from an assumption that people's intent is generally negative, and that people always have alterior motives, which has become too predictable to be based off of any kind of nuanced and balanced perspective.

[LukeB]

Axe judi james

[abhorson]

Judi James is not a psychotherapist; she is some kind of a 'body language expert' which is pretty far off of being able to have a truly deep and insightful understanding of the human condition.

This is evidenced not only by her qualification but also her lack of compassion and, by the sounds of it, her patently untrue statement that Helen will be unable to change. Anyone who understands self knowledge and therapy will get that such changes are difficult but not impossible. (to learn about self knowledge try Daniel Mackler on YouTube for some very insightful and instructive, potentially life-changing videos.)

I see what she is saying; some people are seen as simply being unable to change... But all it takes is the right approach, and for the person trying to change to truly understand that it will be difficult and to very much want to improve themselves. 2 + 1 ≠ 2

Maybe Helen is one of those http://snl.jt.org/caps/episode_sketches/1993-04-10-7-1.jpg'unchangeable' people but judging from what we've seen I don't believe so.

There is also the fact that she judges everyone's behaviour (from past episodes that I've seen her talk on) on the merit that they are not even humans but animals, or base tribal morons of some other reductionistic sort. She doesn't address the nuance and the more personal aspects of people's psyches. Maybe I am a bit off-point here as I have not seen her talk in a few weeks.

And I must add, that she has some pretty damn interesting insights, but then seems to undo them with a completely weird left-field comment which doesn't make any sense. Her conclusions tend to come from an assumption that people's intent is generally negative, and that people always have alterior motives, which has become too predictable to be based off of any kind of nuanced and balanced perspective.

Very balanced post:clap1::clap1:

Did not like the word "runts" for the uncool group either.

[debee]

Well put Bedouin.

[vesavius]

Judy James is a paid shill... A gob piece that is just there to push whatever the current BB agenda happens to be.

[Niamh.]

the complete obvious about Chris, he has a crush on Ashleigh (theyre paying her for this stuff, when they could get that info on here for free)

and she said that Helen couldnt change and that she would always be nasty and that she is playing nice cause she can see the final

I can understand the forum users who hate Helen saying that, I would too if I didnt like her, but a professional (supposed) saying she cant change??

Im betting she got her diploma on the internet.....

She didn't actually say that, what she said was that she didn't feel like Helen has changed because nothing in there would have made her feel the need to. That her bad behaviour has been rewarded by the other HMs so she doesn't feel this change she's trying to portray is real

Infact she did actually specifically say "I'm not saying people can't change"

[joeysteele]

Axe judi james

:joker:Axe the lot of them for me, the only one I find interesting is the 'dancing body language' guy.
He's on bbbots tonight I think.

[the truth]

her way of thinking or lack of is in fact profoundly dangerous. she puts people in a box prejudges everyone in the most basic slightly discriminatory way

[joeysteele]

her way of thinking or lack of is in fact profoundly dangerous. she puts people in a box prejudges everyone in the most basic slightly discriminatory way

Which in her profession as to having any credibility at all, she shouldn't do.
Well said the truth.

[VanessaFeltz.]

People can change and i am sick of chris haters now. Like stop.

[mrflibble]

her way of thinking or lack of is in fact profoundly dangerous. she puts people in a box prejudges everyone in the most basic slightly discriminatory way
Most people in that "profession" do. When I was in highschool I was overweight and the school psychiatrist kept wanting to talk to me to tell me that I was shy and hated myself because I was fat. She couldn't comprehend that this couldn't have been further from the truth. She was a horrible woman and put me in some really uncomfortable situations. I've sworn against all psychologists/psychiatrists/whatever since then, all they're interested in doing is trying to put people into a box and turning them into what they think they should be.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I am going to be psychiatrist and i am not going to be a cruel bitch like those people. If you want to help people you cant put them down like that. It is not helping people it is being cruel

[bots]

I am going to be psychiatrist and i am not going to be a cruel bitch like those people. If you want to help people you cant put them down like that. It is not helping people it is being cruel

and in your sig ....

"A vote to evict Mark is a vote to evict Satan"

Double standards perhaps?

[VanessaFeltz.]

and in your sig ....

"A vote to evict Mark is a vote to evict Satan"

Double standards perhaps?

People get a grip it is a joke.

[bots]

Joke or not, if you make accusations, make sure you don't do exactly the same first

[VanessaFeltz.]

Joke or not, if you make accusations, make sure you don't do exactly the same first

I dont think Mark is a devil do i hate him in house? yes i hate him, he is a horrible person in house but i dont hate him outside because i dont know him outside. Can he change himself? Hell yes. My problem is with people say Helen, Chris or random people cant change they are horrible. Do i make mistakes? Yes and i can change myself. Dont attack people when you have no idea about them and stay in topic my signature is not in this topic, end of the story.

[Jules2]

She was right about Chris

No way was she right, she mentioned him laying on the bed and Ashleigh sitting by him as being cringeworthy. How narrow minded can one be, Ashleigh obviously wanted to talk to Chris as she knew he listened. A lot of these people should be presented with solicitor letters for their inuendos and the flaying of personalities, or is BB exempt from this sort of thing? Cant stand the woman or any of them tbh and that one who is always flickng her hair, what is that about?

The woman has seen how the programme is manipulated by BB and yet she follows the sheep for recognition.......get a job you lot!!

[the truth]

she is a twat , a dangerous twat. these idiots try to make an exact science out of a totally inexact load of guess work. theyre lazy , discriminatory and judgemental. it stops them even bothering to get to know more facets of a person. i also dont trust their motives, especially those on tv

[CaudleHalbard]

Unfortunately Judi James is too influenced by what she sees as the public's attitude towards particular housemates.

She should stick to what she is supposedly good at: picking up on body language cues which suggest that the mind does not match the words spoken.

But maybe she's not all that good, in reality although she's written a few books: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Judi-James/e/B001JPC670

[Nedusa]

Judy James is a paid shill... A gob piece that is just there to push whatever the current BB agenda happens to be.

Yes, agree this woman this so called expert is probably told by the BB producers which HM to give positive insights to. She probably is contractually obliged to follow the plot lines and reinforce the narrative the HL shows provide, confirming that certain HM are indeed noisy, bitchy, evil, gameplaying etc

As you said a paid shill dispensing information that backs up the official HL shows version of events.




.

[Jamesy]

Judy James gets most things right. Although with her watching the show probably all week she's bound to get her own opinions in there and cover it up with some bulls**t.

Some things she says are common sense too.

[Jules2]

My next door neighbours dog was right about Chris, he's walking around with a perv tag round his neck ffs (Chris is, not my next door neighbours dog)

She's a con artist on retainer is what she is!

How can he be a perv when he hasnt done anything, he is up front and honest with his views, he isnt hiding behind glasses and looking over them as Pav is. He isnt judging anyone now. He is in a safe place of being accepted by the old HMs. He has been honest with Pav who has been going from pillar to post to find out how he can mingle better.

He appreciates Ashleighs boyfriend and values their friendship which, as I have said, was cemented by Ashleigh after Danielle left. So are we saying that an 18 year old cannot have a friendship with a 33 year old and vice versa? Too many jumping on the bandwagon now and not putting things into prospective. I have many younger friends and older ones, it is called the fellowship of man and nothing pervy about it.

I would say that Judy whatever her name is, has self issues which she needs to air and to find her true self and not dump her values on other people.

[bots]

I dont think Mark is a devil do i hate him in house? yes i hate him, he is a horrible person in house but i dont hate him outside because i dont know him outside. Can he change himself? Hell yes. My problem is with people say Helen, Chris or random people cant change they are horrible. Do i make mistakes? Yes and i can change myself. Dont attack people when you have no idea about them and stay in topic my signature is not in this topic, end of the story.

Im not off topic because i was accusing you of double standards putting down other "haters" that you referenced in this thread when you are equally as guilty in this and other recent threads. We can argue this forever if you like, but I think its run its course.

[CaudleHalbard]

I have a feeling Ashleigh's bf may be about the same age as Chris, i.e. much older than her. Could be wrong.

[Niamh.]

I have a feeling Ashleigh's bf may be about the same age as Chris, i.e. much older than her. Could be wrong.

Not by the looks of the photos of them, looks like they're childhood sweethearts

http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/10387801_446174245520229_10758881_a.jpg

[CaudleHalbard]

Oh I was going by the photos seen on BB, admitted hard to see.

[Niamh.]

I've added one above ^

[CaudleHalbard]

I don't think she'll dump him for Chris, somehow! Lol! :D

Thanks for posting the pic.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Im not off topic because i was accusing you of double standards putting down other "haters" that you referenced in this thread when you are equally as guilty in this and other recent threads. We can argue this forever if you like, but I think its run its course.

The thing is you can hate someone, i am not calling them out because they hate someone im calling people out because they say they are ****ed up they cant change they will live ****ed up forever. This is just a forum and our opinions will change and i will forget mark in 2 years. But these people a.k.a "professionals" put people down like that, they cant do that because it is serious. Those "professionals" have people who come to them for help and they say you are ****ed up person you are fat etc and this is wrong. If mark had problems and came to me i would try to help him not put him down. So this is not a double standart because how much i hate mark it doesnt matter but those people's opinion matters because hm's will hear them

[the truth]

Judy James gets most things right. Although with her watching the show probably all week she's bound to get her own opinions in there and cover it up with some bulls**t.

Some things she says are common sense too.

no she doesnt and shes clearly controlled by the producers too

[the truth]

The thing is you can hate someone, i am not calling them out because they hate someone im calling people out because they say they are ****ed up they cant change they will live ****ed up forever. This is just a forum and our opinions will change and i will forget mark in 2 years. But these people a.k.a "professionals" put people down like that, they cant do that because it is serious. Those "professionals" have people who come to them for help and they say you are ****ed up person you are fat etc and this is wrong. If mark had problems and came to me i would try to help him not put him down. So this is not a double standart because how much i hate mark it doesnt matter but those people's opinion matters because hm's will hear them

what?

[VanessaFeltz.]

what?

you missed all the converstation so.

[Niamh.]

I don't think she'll dump him for Chris, somehow! Lol! :D

Thanks for posting the pic.

No lol, she seems very committed to him which is nice to see imo, especially since she's so young as well. Did you hear him on BOTS last night? He sounded like a very nice and secure kind of a guy as well

[CaudleHalbard]

No lol, she seems very committed to him which is nice to see imo, especially since she's so young as well. Did you hear him on BOTS last night? He sounded like a very nice and secure kind of a guy as well
Yes. I heard him on BOTS.

[HBB1508]

How can he be a perv when he hasnt done anything, he is up front and honest with his views, he isnt hiding behind glasses and looking over them as Pav is. He isnt judging anyone now. He is in a safe place of being accepted by the old HMs. He has been honest with Pav who has been going from pillar to post to find out how he can mingle better.

He appreciates Ashleighs boyfriend and values their friendship which, as I have said, was cemented by Ashleigh after Danielle left. So are we saying that an 18 year old cannot have a friendship with a 33 year old and vice versa? Too many jumping on the bandwagon now and not putting things into prospective. I have many younger friends and older ones, it is called the fellowship of man and nothing pervy about it.

I would say that Judy whatever her name is, has self issues which she needs to air and to find her true self and not dump her values on other people.

:clap1::clap1:

[Daffodil]

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.

[chuff me dizzy]

Emma called Chris creepy the other night, now all the sheep call him it too ,thank God I've never been a follower I think for myself

[chuff me dizzy]

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.

:clap1:

[mrflibble]

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.
I was just arguing with my mum about this. She only started watching religiously a couple of weeks ago so missed most of actual Helen and she likes Helen :( She thinks Helen, Ash and Winston are amazing and that Helen has grown and changed. But I believe it is just hibernation. I think perhaps she has learnt something about herself, but will snap back to her old self when she gets out.

[susie q]

I thought she was spot on with both Chris & Helen. Apart from Chris turning into Jale,
she also said that Helen had shown no remorse for how she treated some of the other housemates. This has been demonstrated by her continuing to put Danielle down, even though she was the one who targeted her with Bianca.

[joeysteele]

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.

Well that in itself shows a dramatic change as to self control then.
To have now for so many weeks been able to hold her temper better,no way could she have done that in the first week at all.

Ifsomeone is told to change their behaviour,then they can do 2 things, do so and alter it accordingly or be unable to and carry on as you are.
Clearly Helen has 'been' able to do the former, therefore that constitutes a huge change over all the last weeks.

[bots]

Helen needed to get noticed in the first few weeks so that she stood out from the crowd. The pass to the final allowed her to be as obnoxious as she liked in order to achieve that. She basically did what she knew how to do, and was successful at it. She has no need to make dramas now as she has control over her boys and is able to take centre stage whenever she chooses. Its not some life enhancing journey of self improvement she has been on, just the natural course of events.

[the truth]

I was just arguing with my mum about this. She only started watching religiously a couple of weeks ago so missed most of actual Helen and she likes Helen :( She thinks Helen, Ash and Winston are amazing and that Helen has grown and changed. But I believe it is just hibernation. I think perhaps she has learnt something about herself, but will snap back to her old self when she gets out.

please accept helen will never ever change , its like asking a raspberry tart to become a cheery pie. she simply doesnt have the ingredients in the first place

[RockBottom]

her way of thinking or lack of is in fact profoundly dangerous. she puts people in a box prejudges everyone in the most basic slightly discriminatory way


I think she got her degree from a Cracker Jack Box :conf:

[CaudleHalbard]

She got her degree in BS. :D

You only have to Google her name to see she is represented by several artiste agencies. She is basically a showbiz person.

[catherine2005]

Judy said that Helen hasn't changed because she can see the final and she is unrepentant about the way she has treated the other HMs. Basically if she had changed she would apologise or even acknowledge the nastiness that she has shown. When she was upset last week about her comment about Steven and Kim, she was asked in diary room if she was sorry for saying it. Her answer was in as she believes that what she says is always correct.

[Achilles]

Not by the looks of the photos of them, looks like they're childhood sweethearts

http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/10387801_446174245520229_10758881_a.jpg

I find it amusing that he looks like Chris' younger brother. :laugh:

Anyone know how old he is? He isn't 18 that's for sure.

[joeysteele]

Judy said that Helen hasn't changed because she can see the final and she is unrepentant about the way she has treated the other HMs. Basically if she had changed she would apologise or even acknowledge the nastiness that she has shown. When she was upset last week about her comment about Steven and Kim, she was asked in diary room if she was sorry for saying it. Her answer was in as she believes that what she says is always correct.

Helen has been able to see the final since the 2nd day of the series when she got the free pass,
It is weeks ago she got the final warning,loads has gone on since then.

[Niamh.]

I find it amusing that he looks like Chris' younger brother. :laugh:

Anyone know how old he is? He isn't 18 that's for sure.

I tried to find out but the closest I could find was that he's a student so from that I would assume he's quite young? I think he looks 18/19 in that picture

[Pincho Paxton]

I think it's hard for anyone to be 100% accurate all of the time. She got things right about Chris, and Helen.

Chris is getting too fond of Ashleigh, and using cuddles too much.
Helen hasn't changed. Her journey is all about herself, and not looking at the harm that she has done to others.

She got things wrong too...
Chris is scared of Helen, and cried with her (the crying looked fake to me)
Mark had a tantrum (the tantrum looked fake to me)

But even though she gets things wrong, she helps you to work things out for yourself.

[Ellen]

Helen has been able to see the final since the 2nd day of the series when she got the free pass,
It is weeks ago she got the final warning,loads has gone on since then.

This ^^ :thumbs: Plus i do believe Helen has apologised on occasions.

Judy James is on mute in my house, have no for the clap trap she comes out with.

[RockBottom]

Judy said that Helen hasn't changed because she can see the final and she is unrepentant about the way she has treated the other HMs. Basically if she had changed she would apologise or even acknowledge the nastiness that she has shown. When she was upset last week about her comment about Steven and Kim, she was asked in diary room if she was sorry for saying it. Her answer was in as she believes that what she says is always correct.

I thought she was a body language expert. Now she is a Psychologist.

[Beso]

she should analyse that bitch zoe...she's a mess.

[Kazanne]

Joke or not, if you make accusations, make sure you don't do exactly the same first

:clap1::clap1:Some really bright people on here lately

[puzzled]

Some people lash out when they're feeling insecure or stressed. Has Helen changed? Is the real Helen the one we see now or the original Helen? Damned if I know.

[Jules2]

Judi James is not a psychotherapist; she is some kind of a 'body language expert' which is pretty far off of being able to have a truly deep and insightful understanding of the human condition.

This is evidenced not only by her qualification but also her lack of compassion and, by the sounds of it, her patently untrue statement that Helen will be unable to change. Anyone who understands self knowledge and therapy will get that such changes are difficult but not impossible. (to learn about self knowledge try Daniel Mackler on YouTube for some very insightful and instructive, potentially life-changing videos.)

I see what she is saying; some people are seen as simply being unable to change... But all it takes is the right approach, and for the person trying to change to truly understand that it will be difficult and to very much want to improve themselves. 2 + 1 ≠ 2



Maybe Helen is one of those http://snl.jt.org/caps/episode_sketches/1993-04-10-7-1.jpg'unchangeable' people but judging from what we've seen I don't believe so.

There is also the fact that she judges everyone's behaviour (from past episodes that I've seen her talk on) on the merit that they are not even humans but animals, or base tribal morons of some other reductionistic sort. She doesn't address the nuance and the more personal aspects of people's psyches. Maybe I am a bit off-point here as I have not seen her talk in a few weeks.

And I must add, that she has some pretty damn interesting insights, but then seems to undo them with a completely weird left-field comment which doesn't make any sense. Her conclusions tend to come from an assumption that people's intent is generally negative, and that people always have alterior motives, which has become too predictable to be based off of any kind of nuanced and balanced perspective.

Life is a learning curb, sadly those with just a little bit of knowledge believe they have the answers to everything. Your post is great. Many people are very arrogant at times but there will possibly come a time when they learn that if we touch the fire it burns, we therefore deal with the fall out and learn if we are sensible. I believe that Helen has been on a "journey" and I wish her luck along with the others.

I wonder who BOTS will be hitting tonight, Chris, Zoe or Pav. I think the HMs have all done Pav a favour though and he may be safe. I guess it will be Chris again.....

[Jules2]

I think it's hard for anyone to be 100% accurate all of the time. She got things right about Chris, and Helen.

Chris is getting too fond of Ashleigh, and using cuddles too much.
Helen hasn't changed. Her journey is all about herself, and not looking at the harm that she has done to others.

She got things wrong too...
Chris is scared of Helen, and cried with her (the crying looked fake to me)
Mark had a tantrum (the tantrum looked fake to me)

But even though she gets things wrong, she helps you to work things out for yourself.

Have only seen Chris cuddle Ashleigh once and that was after she had her letter, he was so pleased for her. The HMs are generally cuddling each other so I guess he would have in that situation. Other than that he has been a gentleman toward her. Imo Chris is not scared of Helen. he wanted to understand her as he tries to understand everyone else along with himself. He thought he did at one stage and then he would get disapponted with her, it was sort of up and down with him.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Since BB moved to Channel 5 she has been more concerned at becoming a celebrity than actually doing her job I think it added fuel to her ever expanding ego when she went into the house for the task with Rylan in BB14.

Shes actually been there since BB3 as far as I can remember when Sunday shows were 1 hour instead of the usual 30 minutes and psychologists would talk about the housemates behaviour throughout the episode.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I love Judy James - I find her more interesting than the HMs themselves.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I still love Judy James.

[Waynoo]

she has made fools of many in here when it comes to Helen. She was in hibernation. Judy James was spot on.

[smudgie]

she has made fools of many in here when it comes to Helen. She was in hibernation. Judy James was spot on.

She was indeed.


It appears the journey she has been on was only in peoples minds.:joker: