What is Chris' problem with Pav?

[Heaven = Winner]

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[erinp5]

Would be good if we heard the start of the convo .
Chris "I want to think the best of him " so what is Winston's input .

[Achilles]

I wish BB would end the Chris and Pav storyline already. Or are they building up to something this week with that money as power task? Maybe Pav was sent in there for a reason afterall? Remember he said "I've already won" :think:

[erinp5]

Seems Ash isn't to fond of Pav .
1.49am: Ash wishes Pav had gone instead of Zoe

why don't they show that clip .

[Robodog]

Pav went quiet because his VT persona couldn't stand up to the reality of the big characters in the house

The real Pav will show if there is a money based task - he is all about the money

Remember his first moment in the diary room with Zoe and Bianca when he shouted 'gimme da power!' - that said it all to me.

[MojoNixon]

"What is Chris' problem with Pav?" ?

Instead of that, you should ask

"What is housemates problem with Pav?"

[MojoNixon]

And by the way, seems that BB producers are angry because Chris stayed. On that vid, you can see that they only show Winstons confused face, not Chris at all. And on BOTS, everyone is telling that Chris is bad, wrong, and so on. BB producers seems not like the idea that Chris is still popular. Chris is the salt of the earth. Normal person without overacting, being fake nice...whatever the reason is.

[Bedouin]

This whole "Chris vs. Pav" narrative is becoming even more contrived than the "Creepy Chris" campaign.

The biggest problem with it is that he's not the only one who has/had a problem with Pav. In fact, of all of the HMs, he seems to have engaged him the most from what we've seen. He does not blank him, unlike the 'cool gang' who seem merely to tolerate him but keep him at a distance by means of simply not engaging with him. Further still Chris is actually trying to make up for his treatment of Pav; he has apologised, he's acknowledged he may well have been wrong, and again he actually talks to him.

In short, Chris has actually not been that bad with Pav. Better than other HMs in fact.

[MojoNixon]

In short, Chris has actually not been that bad with Pav. Better than other HMs in fact.

Exactly.

[erinp5]

Lots of comments saying show us Chris and Winston in that convo .
It's Chris speaking but is he in the DR and they have merge his words with Winston looking confused and responding with the words "yes " "yes" ,very odd or very bad cutting .
Why would you focus on the person listening and not on the person actually speaking.

[mrflibble]

This whole "Chris vs. Pav" narrative is becoming even more contrived than the "Creepy Chris" campaign.

The biggest problem with it is that he's not the only one who has/had a problem with Pav. In fact, of all of the HMs, he seems to have engaged him the most from what we've seen. He does not blank him, unlike the 'cool gang' who seem merely to tolerate him but keep him at a distance by means of simply not engaging with him. Further still Chris is actually trying to make up for his treatment of Pav; he has apologised, he's acknowledged he may well have been wrong, and again he actually talks to him.

In short, Chris has actually not been that bad with Pav. Better than other HMs in fact.
I feel the same way. I can't understand why people are turning against Chris for being HONEST with him. He did say to Pav's face that he didn't want to concentrate on making new friendships, but is sure as hell being friendlier to Pav than anyone else in that house. Zoe seemed to be kind of pitying him, but that was it.

[Tip]

Chris is getting very boring in my view. Stating over and over why what he has done, will do, thinks, will think is "nothing bad". Why is he just covering himself constantly, or needing to justify every little thing he ever says and declare it as a "good thing"?

Is it because he is so uncertain about himself or is it because he wants to convince everyone that he is such a good guy?

Maybe it's just the edits - but would be nice to see him doing and talking about something else.

[karezza]

Creepy Chris is projecting his own unpleasantness onto Pav.

[chuff me dizzy]

Whats EVERYONES problem with Pav this should say ,as there is not only Chris who is wary of him ,but he's the only honest one who's spoken to him about it

[Ellen]

Chris is getting very boring in my view. Stating over and over why what he has done, will do, thinks, will think is "nothing bad". Why is he just covering himself constantly, or needing to justify every little thing he ever says and declare it as a "good thing"?

Is it because he is so uncertain about himself or is it because he wants to convince everyone that he is such a good guy?

Maybe it's just the edits - but would be nice to see him doing and talking about something else.

I agree^^ He keeps going over the same stuff and trying to justify himself when none of the other HM's have questioned him about it.
He explained himself once and then he should have left it since they accepted his word. He is over playing it massively.

[chuff me dizzy]

"What is Chris' problem with Pav?" ?

Instead of that, you should ask

"What is housemates problem with Pav?"

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

This whole "Chris vs. Pav" narrative is becoming even more contrived than the "Creepy Chris" campaign.

The biggest problem with it is that he's not the only one who has/had a problem with Pav. In fact, of all of the HMs, he seems to have engaged him the most from what we've seen. He does not blank him, unlike the 'cool gang' who seem merely to tolerate him but keep him at a distance by means of simply not engaging with him. Further still Chris is actually trying to make up for his treatment of Pav; he has apologised, he's acknowledged he may well have been wrong, and again he actually talks to him.

In short, Chris has actually not been that bad with Pav. Better than other HMs in fact.

Yes I agree ,there IS a campaign against him ,trying to portray him as a pervert and bully PATHETIC,but even more pathetic is the sheep that keep it up with the "creepy Chris" routine ,I knew when he got close to Poison Ashleigh it would be his downfall ,and it looks like I was right

[Tip]

Yes I agree ,there IS a campaign against him ,trying to portray him as a pervert and bully PATHETIC,but even more pathetic is the sheep that keep it up with the "creepy Chris" routine ,I knew when he got close to Poison Ashleigh it would be his downfall ,and it looks like I was right

Who should he have tried to get close to so that he would appear in a better light to some?

[chuff me dizzy]

Who should he have tried to get close to so that he would appear in a better light to some?

Any of them, but Ashleigh has slyly got rid of everyone who's befriended her ,think about it

[bots]

Different people have different thresholds for what they consider acceptable behaviour. Chris is testing that threshold. Those with different opinions on him are not wrong. If Chris wants to win the series he needs to not alienate the voting majority. He is a bright guy, he must know he is playing a dodgy game by all his self justification.

[Tip]

Any of them, but Ashleigh has slyly got rid of everyone who's befriended her ,think about it

I'm amazed that you give Ashleigh credit for so much power over the hearts and minds of the public - I'd worry about the public if this is the truth of the matter.

[Tip]

Different people have different thresholds for what they consider acceptable behaviour. Chris is testing that threshold. Those with different opinions on him are not wrong. If Chris wants to win the series he needs to not alienate the voting majority. He is a bright guy, he must know he is playing a dodgy game by all his self justification.

I don't get the feeling that Chris's constant self justification raises any questions with the other housemates so it may just be that it comes across more on the screen than it does to them face to face.

[bots]

I don't get the feeling that Chris's constant self justification raises any questions with the other housemates so it may just be that it comes across more on the screen than it does to them face to face.

He is repeating his justifications to try and make sure it makes it in to the highlights show. The justifications are not for the housemates, its for the audience

[Tip]

He is repeating his justifications to try and make sure it makes it in to the highlights show. The justifications are not for the housemates, its for the audience


Certainly could be the case - the repetition doesn't come across as natural.

[sampvt]

He didn't get on with either Pauline or Toya and his feelings towards Bianca was also bad. I am beginning to wonder if this lad harbours a little bit of racism in his DNA. All his so called hip mates look like members of the national front and his sketches are somewhat disturbing.

[mrflibble]

He did get along with Toya and Chris was one of the people she said she'd miss most when she left the house. He also didn't get along with Steven or Helen [at first].

Most normal people don't like Pauline because she's a bossy, manipulative, nasty bitch. Most normal people don't like Biannca because she's desperate, pathetic and sexually harasses people. No-one cares about the colour of their skin.

[chuff me dizzy]

He didn't get on with either Pauline or Toya and his feelings towards Bianca was also bad. I am beginning to wonder if this lad harbours a little bit of racism in his DNA. All his so called hip mates look like members of the national front and his sketches are somewhat disturbing.

Oh ffs Sam don't start this ,without PROOF Chris is racist ,please don't spout it ,how do his mates look like national front members, what do national front members look like ? so are ALL the others racist too as they ALL don't like Pav

[Beastie]

Chris's problem with Pav is that he knows Pav is playing the same game as himself. Chris does not want to be beaten.

[Tip]

Oh ffs Sam don't start this ,without PROOF Chris is racist ,please don't spout it ,how do his mates look like national front members, what do national front members look like ? so are ALL the others racist too as they ALL don't like Pav

I agree, playing the "racist" card is a bit mind boggling.

It would mean that those people got voted out because the general public are racist too presumably?

It's a bit too much for me.

[Ellen]

He didn't get on with either Pauline or Toya and his feelings towards Bianca was also bad. I am beginning to wonder if this lad harbours a little bit of racism in his DNA. All his so called hip mates look like members of the national front and his sketches are somewhat disturbing.

He didnt get on with Pauline because she was quite mean to some people, he didnt like Toya because she was a gob s***e and Bianca was never going to be his cup of tea from the moment she told Winston she wanted to ride his ******* and then get her boobs out.
I dont like him much but i dont believe he is racist in any way.

[Denver]

Pav went quiet because his VT persona couldn't stand up to the reality of the big characters in the house

The real Pav will show if there is a money based task - he is all about the money

Remember his first moment in the diary room with Zoe and Bianca when he shouted 'gimme da power!' - that said it all to me.

Are they not all there for the momey? Or am i missing something

[lostalex]

let's be real, chris is incredibly insecure and wants to feel superior to Pav. he thinks he is fat and ugly (and he's not wrong). He's desperate to think that he is more popular and better looking than he actually is. he'd never treat Ash the way he is treating Pav, even if Ash behaved in exactly the same way.

[mary poppins]

Chris is the most intelligent housemate and probably longing for some decent intelligent conversation! BB have really stooped to a new low with all this creepy Chris and all the crap out of emma's mouth about pervy chris and **** like that about him..she put all that out there and then said it was in gest? These people have lives after BB and i think it was wrong to even go down that road with chris or any housemate for that matter. I agree with everything he said in the DR..we can have friends of all race, sex, age etc...why do people always have to see the negative side of it.

If i was in that house i would love someone like chris to talk to.

Nothing said about the big Idiot winston who can only talk about sex and how many women hes had...for god sakes get that fella out!!!

[Achilles]

Did someone say Chris' mates look like National Front? They look more like nerdy extras from the Big Bang Theory.

[CaudleHalbard]

We only see what BB wants is to see. And all we see of Chris is him chatting to Ashleigh whilst gazing at her............

[Tip]

We only see what BB wants is to see. And all we see of Chris is him chatting to Ashleigh whilst gazing at her............


...I have seen more of Chris than that, and unfortunately most of his conversations don't really do him any big favours as far as I can see, not with me anyway. I'm truly bored with hearing him go on about how he is doing the right thing over and over. I'd be more convinced if he didn't keep trying to convince.

For someone who is supposed to be so intelligent he doesn't really seem to be playing it well. On the other hand, if his fanbase is growing maybe he is playing exactly right.

[mary poppins]

the only intelligent conversation he has is with an 18 year old...what does that say for the rest of them? If i was being perceived the way chris is i would be trying to convince every chance i get!

[mrflibble]

He can't help what gets shown to us though. He probably doesn't go on about it all day, but he's trying to clear the air with people and since he thought Thursday night could've been his last night he was probably trying to make sure that everyone knew where he stood and he knew where everyone else stood.

[Tip]

the only intelligent conversation he has is with an 18 year old...what does that say for the rest of them? If i was being perceived the way chris is i would be trying to convince every chance i get!

You are implying that intelligence is an age related trait? Since when?

If I were perceived the way Chris is, I'm not sure how I'd behave, but having the advantage of seeing what Chris is doing - I would probably try a different strategy (if I was able to).

[mary poppins]

I am not implying that intelligence is age related! he obviously is conversing better with Ashleigh because from day one the rest of them have been talking about sex all the time...who wants to spend 8 or nine weeks talking about:

Winstons c**k.... and his sex life

Marks eyebrows

Ash's sleeping arrangements with Helen

Steven on Steven
etc....

ffs read the posts properly!!

[Tip]

Woah lol - calm down mary poppins.

Christopher is pretty intelligent as is Pav.

So what has Chris been talking about that is so intelligent? I may have missed it.

[Achilles]

Woah lol - calm down mary poppins.

Christopher is pretty intelligent as is Pav.

So what has Chris been talking about that is so intelligent? I may have missed it.

Why would BB show any of the interesting or intelligent discussions that take place in the house? Have you not seen the moronic rabble they get on BotS?

[Tip]

So it could just be rumour that any intelligent conversation takes place at all?

[chuff me dizzy]

Christopher is an intelligent man I'm sure Chris and him have many a good chat, but just because it doesn't get shown doesn't mean it doesn't happen

[Tip]

Having intelligence and behaving intelligently don't always match up unfortunately.

I'm not sure of Chris's motives for entering a popularity contest but I don't doubt that he knew he'd have to work pretty hard one way or another to stand a chance. It seems to be working for some more than others, but as was quite rightly pointed out, he didn't go this week so it's obviously not all working against him.

[mary poppins]

I didnt say christopher wasnt intelligent..as for pav...he came in all guns blazing and now just sits and stares and says very little! that doesn't mean hes not intelligent just boring!

[Tip]

the only intelligent conversation he has is with an 18 year old...what does that say for the rest of them?

Ok, I have no idea what you meant by that statement then, I seem to get it wrong however I interpret it.

Being 18 yrs old or older has nothing to do with intelligence?
There are other people with intelligence in the house who aren't 18 years old.

So I didn't really understand what you meant, but no worries.

Chris doesn't come across as totally wholesome to some, but comes across as totally adorable to others.

I'm sure he is intelligent enough to know that you can "protest too much" so if you do feel the need to justify yourself, you might need to consider how you go about it a bit more?

[MojoNixon]

I agree, playing the "racist" card is a bit mind boggling.

It would mean that those people got voted out because the general public are racist too presumably?

It's a bit too much for me.

Exactly. If Chris was racist, then he would have hated Mark, right from the start. Let's wait when someone accuse Chris to be homophobic or something. Haters are trying to get any reason to put him down.

[abhorson]

Exactly. If Chris was racist, then he would have hated Mark, right from the start. Let's wait when someone accuse Chris to be homophobic or something. Haters are trying to get any reason to put him down.

Does not stop a few implyng it though:laugh:

Pauline got the boot because **** loads of the public are racist:shrug: And Brian and Nadia won because **** loads are not:shrug:

[MojoNixon]

Does not stop a few implyng it though:laugh:

Pauline got the boot because **** loads of the public are racist:shrug: And Brian and Nadia won because **** loads are not:shrug:

Oh please....

[fitz2k2]

if pav gameplan is self pity he might end up winning the show hahaha