: recieved a warning over her Ashleigh comment.

[zakman440]

Just confirmed on BOTS.

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[Samm]

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

So unfair aswell,where is Ashleighs warning,for threatening to smash Christophers head in the mirror,totally double standards

[smudgie]

Hmmmm, waste of time, thought she was on her last warning.

[ruiphillips]

She has got way to many warnings to grant her stay. What a vile peace of trash with obvious anger management issues.

[rusticgal]

....yet another warning for the vile. Helen....just how much does it take to get this vile aggressive person out...

[Jake.]

Just saw, think she took it well and the tears seemed genuine

[Josy]

What about Ashleigh's warning for the comment about bashing Christopher head in? oh that's right she never got one...

[Denver]

So unfair aswell,where is ashleighs warning,for threatening to smash Christophers head in the mirror,totally double standards

:worship:

[Jake.]

What makes me laugh is that Ashleigh will gather even more hate rather than producers/Big Brother

[Brother Leon]

Proves her point about Ashleigh getting away with murder even further tbf. People ridiculed her for saying it too :joker:

[Livia]

Another warning? Might as well not bother.

[Kazanne]

....yet another warning for the vile. Helen....just how much does it take to get this vile aggressive person out...

You didn't hear the vile ashlieghs comment I take it:hehe:

[joeysteele]

You cannot go around saying things like that so a warning is right. However double standards here as Josy has pointed out above.
What is good for one is good for all.

[Josy]

Proves her point about Ashleigh getting away with murder even further tbf. People ridiculed her for saying it too :joker:

It really does

[Samm]

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it

[Kazanne]

Proves her point about Ashleigh getting away with murder even further tbf. People ridiculed her for saying it too :joker:

Good point,funny how people skirt around the facts

[Denver]

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it

If you are threating voilence its a warning

[ruiphillips]

Ashleigh is an angel, were as vile Helen is a twisted jealous bitch, who is aggressive and delusional.

[Kazanne]

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it

I've heard it all now :joker::joker::joker:

[Josy]

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it

That's a cop out. Ashleigh said it to Christopher when she was angry with him, Helen wasn't even in the same room as Ashleigh when she said it.

Helen deserved her warning and Ashleigh should have been given one for what she said too.

[rusticgal]

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it


Recognising someone who means it and the other one doesn't...

[joeysteele]

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it

The words no matter how they are said are inappropriate and threatening.It is a case of double standards.
Ashleigh did not exactly say it with a smile on her face when she said it too.

[Jake.]

That's a cop out. Ashleigh said it to Christopher when she was angry with him, Helen wasn't even in the same room as Ashleigh when she said it.

Helen deserved her warning and Ashleigh should have been given one for what she said too.

Agreed.

[Denver]

Recognising someone who means it and the other one doesn't...

Recognising somebody saying it directly to a person?

[Samm]

Recognising someone who means it and the other one doesn't...

This

[Kazanne]

Recognising someone who means it and the other one doesn't...

Oh my God,I cannot believe some of the stuff I am reading,LOL people cant even admit ,that is totally double standards no matter who said it.Jesus wept.

[Jake.]

That's a cop out. Ashleigh said it to Christopher when she was angry with him, Helen wasn't even in the same room as Ashleigh when she said it.

Helen deserved her warning and Ashleigh should have been given one for what she said too.

Neither is better/worse than the other..

[smudgie]

Ashleigh should have been warned..and Helen should have been ejected as she was on her last warning.
All a bit of a farce really.

[Josy]

Neither is better/worse than the other..

I agree.

[Kazanne]

Agreed.

Well,thanks for that bit of sanity Jake:clap1:

[rusticgal]

That's a cop out. Ashleigh said it to Christopher when she was angry with him, Helen wasn't even in the same room as Ashleigh when she said it.

Helen deserved her warning and Ashleigh should have been given one for what she said too.


20 warnings...that's enough to merit an aggressive person. Maybe Ashleigh should have got one but there's a fine line between meaning it and not.

[smudgie]

Just a thought, how do we know that Ashleigh has not had some sort of warning we did not find out about Helens until she was over a dozen or so.

[MrWong]

Ashleigh should have been warned..and Helen should have been ejected as she was on her last warning.
All a bit of a farce really.

Agree with this.

[Denver]

20 warnings...that's enough to merit an aggressive person. Maybe Ashleigh should have got one but there's a fine line between meaning it and not.

Let them both say it infront of a police officer id bet they would be treated the same

[joeysteele]

20 warnings...that's enough to merit an aggressive person. Maybe Ashleigh should have got one but there's a fine line between meaning it and not.

Where has she had 20 warnings, I haven't seen that,can you show them to us please.

[bbfan1991]

Serves her right.

[Josy]

20 warnings...that's enough to merit an aggressive person. Maybe Ashleigh should have got one but there's a fine line between meaning it and not.

20 now? last I heard it was 15 this one would make it 16.

All hearsay too and never been confirmed by a reliable source.

And theres no maybe about IMO a threat of violence should be treated the same way regardless of who says it.

[Amy Jade]

This is totally unfair to reprimand Helen but not Ashleigh for almost exactly the same comment.

[erinp5]

Helen Wood has received another warning in the Big Brother 2014 house.



It stems from her latest outburst following a row with Ashleigh Coyle which aired in last night’s highlights show.

After overhearing Ashleigh and Chris R Wright talking about her while she was in the bathroom, Helen snapped: “I can’t believe I’ve just heard people speak about me like that, I actually just want to go in and smash her ******ing head in.”

She bitched: “******ing Cheeky ******ing b***h. I can’t believe the two faced little ******s!”

Later on, Helen was in the garden relaying what she heard. Helen claimed: “I’m going to get my own back, but I’m not going to tell them…I feel like p***ing all over the pillows, I feel like tearing the s**t, but I won’t even lower myself. I’m going to do something though…”

BB dragged Helen into the Diary Room to reprimand her over the comments, especially her remark about wanting to ‘smash [Ashleigh's] ******ing head in’.

Big Brother asked: “Do you understand how these phrases can cause offence to people in the outside and people and housemates in the house?



Helen replied: “Yeah… sorry.”

She later broke down in tears and told Big Brother: “I just feel really guilty.. saying ******ing stupid comments.

“It just sounds so awful when it’s read back to me. S**t. Me and my big ******ing mouth.

“I just don’t filter things through when I was going off on one last night.”

She added: “I just feel like an absolute t****r.”


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[Kazanne]

Where has she had 20 warnings, I haven't seen that,can you show them to us please.

It goes up everytime Rustigal posts:joker::joker: I haven't seen any proof either,they make it up as they go along

[joeysteele]

20 now? last I heard it was 15 this one would make it 16.

All hearsay too and never been confirmed by a reliable source.

And theres no maybe about IMO a threat of violence should be treated the same way regardless of who says it.

It goes up almost every other day Josy.

[Jake.]

Had Helen said to Christopher 'I wanna put your head through that mirror' (or whatever the quote was) in the exact same circumstance as what Ashleigh did, we wouldn't be seeing 'it wasn't meant aggresively' posts, that's for sure

[rusticgal]

Where has she had 20 warnings, I haven't seen that,can you show them to us please.

Evicted housemates mentioned 19 warnings...this one makes it 20.
BB have obviously kept it quiet.

[joeysteele]

Had Helen said to Christopher 'I wanna put your head through that mirror' (or whatever the quote was) in the exact same circumstance as what Ashleigh did, we wouldn't be seeing 'it wasn't meant aggresively' posts, that's for sure

Well said Jake, fair comment. I agree completely.

[Kazanne]

Evicted housemates mentioned 19 warnings...this one makes it 20.
BB have obviously kept it quiet.

What kind of proof is that?:joker:

[Denver]

Had Helen said to Christopher 'I wanna put your head through that mirror' (or whatever the quote was) in the exact same circumstance as what Ashleigh did, we wouldn't be seeing 'it wasn't meant aggresively' posts, that's for sure

Nope but ashliegh fans wont back down and admit she is wrong actually if helen said that it would be ejection

[reece(:]

Ashleigh not getting the warning has nothing to do with Ashleigh herself tho :crazy:

[Denver]

Evicted housemates mentioned 19 warnings...this one makes it 20.
BB have obviously kept it quiet.

Have you ever thought they might be bitter? They all made up lies when they left

[bots]

Oh my God,I cannot believe some of the stuff I am reading,LOL people cant even admit ,that is totally double standards no matter who said it.Jesus wept.

Its staggering, Ashleighs face when she made that comment about christopher was contorted with rage - but she's such a little sweetie that gets away with it

[Jake.]

Ashleigh not getting the warning has nothing to do with Ashleigh herself tho :crazy:

Exactly, the producers need blaming

[joeysteele]

Exactly, the producers need blaming

They do, for a great deal this series too.

[rusticgal]

What kind of proof is that?:joker:


Well they were in there that's proof enough for me..:joker::joker:

I know you think she's an angel from heaven...sorry if I burst your bubble.

[Jake.]

They do, for a great deal this series too.

Very true Joey..

[Josy]

Well they were in there that's proof enough for me..:joker::joker:

I know you think she's an angel from heaven...sorry if I burst your bubble.

I don't think that's a fair comment at all if i'm honest especially when some can't even admit that Ashleigh should have been warned for a threat of violence, lots of Helens fans I have seen on here knows she can be terrible at times but they admit it.

[Northern Monkey]

WTF?Why is she still in there?What is the actual point of warnings?How many strikes does Helen get?20 strikes and your out or something.Ridiculous.Fair enough give Ashleigh a warning if she deserves it but Helen should be long gone with all of hers.

[Jake.]

It'd be great if we could all have a discussion about something without it turning into 'fan wars' for once :laugh:

[Josy]

It'd be great if we could all have a discussion about something without it turning into 'fan wars' for once :laugh:

Tell me about it.

[Kazanne]

Well they were in there that's proof enough for me..:joker::joker:

I know you think she's an angel from heaven...sorry if I burst your bubble.

I've never said she was an angel stop telling porkies,I've never ever said that,she's a gobby sod,but I like her,and good for you that you can condemn her on the basis of a few comments made by people who didn't like her anyway(except Steven)well that's not for me,I like proof,if there is any.but it fits what you believe so hey ho

[joeysteele]

Well they were in there that's proof enough for me..:joker::joker:

I know you think she's an angel from heaven...sorry if I burst your bubble.

I think we need stronger proof of what level of warnings than embittered ex housemates.
I cannot recall any series where anyone got that many warnings.

She may have been talked to about things but 'not' with warnings.I still doubt it would get to 15 and certainly not the 20 you stated with respect.

I doubt anyone,no matter who they were,even in a CBB series would survive more than 5 warnings never mind 15 to 20.

[Kazanne]

I think we need stronger proof of what level of warnings than embittered ex housemates.
I cannot recall any series where anyone got that many warnings.

She may have been talked to about things but 'not' with warnings.I still doubt it would get to 15 and certainly not the 20 you stated with respect.

I doubt anyone,no matter who they were,even in a CBB series would survive more than 5 warnings never mind 15 to 20.

It's not rocket science is it Joey,there is NO way BB would have allowed it to even get in double figures.

[bots]

It'd be great if we could all have a discussion about something without it turning into 'fan wars' for once :laugh:

I would agree with you normally, but in this case, Ashleigh is not being treated equally with Helen by BB, hence the outrage - I don't think anyone is condoning Helen's behaviour

[Jamesy]

Ashleigh should have been warned too. Helen deserved the warning too. Although personally I think it's all blown out of proportion. If Helen went up to Ashleigh's face and said "I'm going to ****ing smash your face in" then the warning would be well justified. Her comment just seemed a heat of the moment thing that wouldn't actually happen in or out of the house. But meh, the warning needed to be done.

Ashleigh should have had one too though. Don't see how she can get away with similar language where Helen gets an aired warning.

[Jake.]

I would agree with you normally, but in this case, Ashleigh is not being treated equally with Helen by BB, hence the outrage - I don't think anyone is condoning Helen's behaviour

But that's not Ashleigh's problem if BB aren't able to dish out consistant warnings

[Denver]

Something else as well helen knew what she said was wrong and was genuinly upset by it where as ashligh didnt

[MrWong]

It's not rocket science is it Joey,there is NO way BB would have allowed it to even get in double figures.

They have reneged on what they said a few weeks ago though.

If she was on her last warning she should be out of the house.

Apparently it is rocket science as BB haven't got a clue.

[Tip]

Helen's tears in the diary room - I find it hard to take them seriously. Be vile, get called out on it, cry. Bleh.

Ashleigh should have got a warning.
Helen should never have been told she was on a final warning as she obviously isn't.

[Denver]

They have reneged on what they said a few weeks ago though.

If she was on her last warning she should be out of the house.

Apparently it is rocket science as BB haven't got a clue.

Why kick someone out for a throwaway comment with just one week left

[Northern Monkey]

Why kick someone out for a throwaway comment with just one week left

Well why bother with warning with no consequences?

[bbfan1991]

I do agree that Ashleigh should have got a warning for her comment, but the only thing I can think of RE why she didn't get one is that BB must have evaluated whether she said it in pure malice or was just saying something she didn't mean on a bad day?

[MrWong]

Why kick someone out for a throwaway comment with just one week left

What Paul said ^

[Tip]

I think they only warn Helen so that she can turn on the tears and apologise.

[Northern Monkey]

They have reneged on what they said a few weeks ago though.

If she was on her last warning she should be out of the house.

Apparently it is rocket science as BB haven't got a clue.

Very true!Final warning means nothing.They would save more face by not bothering and bringing more attention to it,They obviously don't have any intention of punishing her.

[bots]

But that's not Ashleigh's problem if BB aren't able to dish out consistant warnings

It absolutely is Ashleigh's problem as she showed exactly the same level of aggression - just cause she appears to have gotten away with it, doesn't lessen what she did

[Spoon]

What happened to Helen being on her last warning? Eject her!

[Spoon]

Well why bother with warning with no consequences?

Exactly. No wonder the warnings aren't taken seriously.

[jet]

Ashleigh should have been warned..and Helen should have been ejected as she was on her last warning.
All a bit of a farce really.

I agree, but we also don't know if Ashleigh got a warning or not. Helen got piles of warnings and only 2 were shown.

What is more worrying is that Helen was on a FINAL warning, and she has now got another one....what exactly is a final warning then....

[bots]

I agree, but we also don't know if Ashleigh got a warning or not. Helen got piles of warnings and only 2 were shown.


These piles of warnings, where are they, for which particular incidents. BB has been clear and documented formal warnings and made the public aware, so until BB tell us differently, its 2

We don't know any specifics about the nature of the formal warnings. A formal warning is a document relating to a breach of contract. So without knowing the details of that document, or the contract, anything else is pure conjecture.

[Northern Monkey]

These piles of warnings, where are they, for which particular incidents. BB has been clear and documented formal warnings and made the public aware, so until BB tell us differently, its 2

We don't know any specifics about the nature of the formal warnings. A formal warning is a document relating to a breach of contract. So without knowing the details of that document, or the contract, anything else is pure conjecture.

Yeah but do you honestly believe that?2 warnings?

[jet]

After overhearing Ashleigh and Chris R Wright talking about her while she was in the bathroom, Helen snapped: I can’t believe I’ve just heard people speak about me like that, I actually just want to go in and smash her ******ing head in.”

She bitched: ******ing Cheeky ******ing b***h. I can’t believe the two faced little ******s!”

Later on, Helen was in the garden relaying what she heard. Helen claimed: “I’m going to get my own back, but I’m not going to tell them…I feel like p***ing all over the pillows, I feel like tearing the s**t, but I won’t even lower myself. I’m going to do something though…”

Can anyone seriously say Ashleigh's level of aggression was of this standard? Making out that it was just the same is ridiculous. Ashleigh shouldn't have said what she did either, but it was mild compared to that tirade.
Helen is a horrible, abusive person. How she can be defended is beyond me.

[user104658]

I do agree that Ashleigh should have got a warning for her comment, but the only thing I can think of RE why she didn't get one is that BB must have evaluated whether she said it in pure malice or was just saying something she didn't mean on a bad day?

Well exactly, warnings are (and always have been) based not just on what has actually been said, but the actual intention behind the comment and how the other person is likely to have taken it. e.g. that "Gangsta" girl from years ago who was ejected for saying that her "crew" would be seeing people's family, "brap brap brap", etc... it was said to be genuinely threatening and it was clear that other housemates might actually fear for their families. She was a genuinely threatening thug of a girl, who genuinely did have violent friends... so she was ejected immediately.

Threats that are obviously not serious, get a slap on the wrist if the "target" of the comments seems bothered, and nothing at all if they don't seem threatened / laugh it off.


To be frank... we all know, and Big Brother knows, and Ashleigh knows, and Christopher knows, and all of the other HM's know... that Ashleigh is clearly NOT actually going to smash anyone's head on anything at all. She might have said it in just as much anger, but the threat was paper thin.

Helen on the other hand... I have literally no doubt would punch someone she didn't like square in the face if she had a run-in with them on the outside world. It's not really LIKELY that she'll actually try to attack Ashleigh, definitely not in the house and still unlikely out of it... but, IMO, it's still a feasible threat and, more importantly, her INTENTION was to be intimidating, whereas Ashleigh was almost certainly just being inappropriately hyperbolic.

[bots]

Yeah but do you honestly believe that?2 warnings?

Yes I do believe Helen has received 2 formal warnings. Again, we are talking about breach of contract here. These are physical documents

[kistar]

Can anyone seriously say Ashleigh's level of aggression was of this standard? Making out that it was just the same is ridiculous. Ashleigh shouldn't have said what she did either, but it was mild compared to that tirade.
Helen is a horrible, abusive person. How she can be defended is beyond me.

Exactly I totally agree.

[jet]

Evicted housemates mentioned 19 warnings...this one makes it 20.
BB have obviously kept it quiet.

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

[rusticgal]

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

Two warnings are enough...third one out. I heard someone say 19...whatever she was on a final warning...she got it yesterday...why the **** is she still there?

[Northern Monkey]

Two warnings are enough...third one out. I heard someone say 19...whatever she was on a final warning...she got it yesterday...why the **** is she still there?

Exactly!

[rusticgal]

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

I am only quoting what I heard....she's had far too many...enough a enough... 3warnings should get her slung out...14s too many.

[jet]

I am only quoting what I heard....she's had far too many...enough a enough... 3warnings should get her slung out...14s too many.

Yep, 3, 14, 20. Doesn't make any difference. She should be long gone.

[Achilles]

Can anyone seriously say Ashleigh's level of aggression was of this standard? Making out that it was just the same is ridiculous. Ashleigh shouldn't have said what she did either, but it was mild compared to that tirade.
Helen is a horrible, abusive person. How she can be defended is beyond me.

Only an Ashleigh hater or Helen fan would compare the 2 incidents. Ashleigh was sat at a table and her comment was out of frustration at having argued with Christopher. Similar to how she got annoyed with Chris.
Helen's rant was out of hatred and anger. Helen actually hates Ashleigh and did actually want to physically attack her. If they were not on BB Helen WOULD have carried out on her threat, Ashleigh would not.
Any objective person can see the clear difference.

[Kizzy]

Why even show it on the highlights then if they're bothered about how it'll be perceived by the viewers?
I tell you how it was perceived... as a damn double standard as nada happened to ashleigh following the threats she made to christopher.

[fitz2k2]

I bet if anyone in that house had same warning they would be out.There only keep Helen for ratings and that's it

[jet]

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did and the topic of the warning she got and how it was twisted around to make it about - ASHLEIGH.
There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts. It was irrelevant. All that mattered was that ASHLEIGH didn't get a warning.

Helen has been aggressive many many times, and received warnings or reprimands or whatever and a final warning for bullying. She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said. (It isn't even known whether she got a warning or not as the editing has been crap this year.) It's a very weak comparison yet there were posts seriously comparing them and even suggesting Ashleigh was on a par or even worse than Helen with that one comment.

DOUBLE STANDARDS are mentioned regarding Helen getting a warning and Ashleigh apparently not. It's a double standard to use the smoke screen of Ashleigh's comment to mask and dilute Helen's much more aggressive behavior and her warning for aggression, which was the topic of the thread.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people and the heat taken off her by diverting the topic to ASHLEIGH more often than not. Is it because they know Helen is really awful now but don't want to admit it? Why do they shy away from discussing HER behavior and put the spotlight on to - ASHLEIGH.
I wonder.

[Achilles]

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did and the topic of the warning she got and how it was twisted around to make it about - ASHLEIGH.
There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts. It was irrelevant. All that mattered was that ASHLEIGH didn't get a warning.

Helen has been aggressive many many times, and received warnings or reprimands or whatever and a final warning for bullying. She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said. (It isn't even known whether she got a warning or not as the editing has been crap this year.) It's a very weak comparison yet there were posts seriously comparing them and even suggesting Ashleigh was on a par or even worse than Helen with that one comment.

DOUBLE STANDARDS are mentioned regarding Helen getting a warning and Ashleigh apparently not. It's a double standard to use the smoke screen of Ashleigh's comment to mask and dilute Helen's much more aggressive behavior and her warning for aggression, which was the topic of the thread.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people and the heat taken off her by diverting the topic to ASHLEIGH more often than not. Is it because they know Helen is really awful now but don't want to admit it? Why do they shy away from discussing HER behavior and put the spotlight on to - ASHLEIGH.
I wonder.

It's all about eggs. Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are good eggs. Helen and her cronies are bad eggs. Hopefully next Friday we have 3 good eggs sat on the sofa after the bad eggs have been thrown out.

[Creggle]

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it

Ashleigh said it to Christophers face whereas Helens was just venting to Ash. There was definately some double standards here.

[AarynGriesfan]

So this is what her 16th warning? Seems kinda pointless don't you think?

[Kizzy]

It's all about eggs. Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are good eggs. Helen and her cronies are bad eggs. Hopefully next Friday we have 3 good eggs sat on the sofa after the bad eggs have been thrown out.

Ashleigh AKA varruka salt is anything but a good egg :laugh:

[Achilles]

Ashleigh AKA varruka salt is anything but a good egg :laugh:

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving £1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

[the truth]

ashleigh is also a pretty nasty aggressive person too....if BB grew some and kicked that idiot helen out we could actually get to know the others and id bet ashleigh would be exposed as the next nastiest housemate....as it stands she is going to win ,merely because she argued with helen. not because shes a hero, but because shes argumentative and bitchy herself

[Dollface]

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving £1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

And this is why Ashleigh deserves to win!
Couldn't believe it when Helen said "Why give £1000 to charity?" ..of course she couldn't give any money to charity, her money all goes towards her plastic surgery :nono:

[Jake.]

It absolutely is Ashleigh's problem as she showed exactly the same level of aggression - just cause she appears to have gotten away with it, doesn't lessen what she did

But if she didn't get warned then that's got literally nothing to do with her.

[GypsyGoth]

Helen felt betrayed, she reacted harshly with her words and her words in anger got her a warning, I don't think it's that big a deal. Also later when confronted with them, she showed remorse.

I do hope that Ashleigh & Helen patch things up as there is not long left in the show

[Ammi]

Helen felt betrayed, she reacted harshly with her words and her words in anger got her a warning, I don't think it's that big a deal. Also later when confronted with them, she showed remorse.

I do hope that Ashleigh & Helen patch things up as there is not long left in the show

..I don't think they'll patch things up as become genuine friends or have much understanding for each other as such because I just think each sees too much negative in the other for that to happen but I think they'll just try to keep the status quo again and make theirs and everyone else's time a bit better ..(although I think some housemates might want more clashes..:laugh:..)...that's why the 'bitching/and two faced' stuff is annoying as well because there are times when you would just have to do that in such a claustrophobic and forced environment and kind of remember that the BB house isn't 'real life' and it's more a 'survival and self preservation' place...

[GypsyGoth]

..I don't think they'll patch things up as become genuine friends or have much understanding for each other as such because I just think each sees too much negative in the other for that to happen but I think they'll just try to keep the status quo again and make theirs and everyone else's time a bit better ..(although I think some housemates might want more clashes..:laugh:..)...that's why the 'bitching/and two faced' stuff is annoying as well because there are times when you would just have to do that in such a claustrophobic and forced environment and kind of remember that the BB house isn't 'real life' and it's more a 'survival and self preservation' place...

Very true, also I could see BB playing past comments to Helen that Ashleigh made or vise versa. If they did become good friends.

And yea I was really disappointing with Winston the way he wanted Helen to go have an argument and his logic behind it was that she wasn't going to win the show anyway, so why be nice?? It must be the money making him so.

And I guess that is one of the main stumbling blocks for them and their relationships in there at the moment, they all would love to see the others mess up and ruin their chances of winning.

[Cold Sweat]

Helen gets a warning.

Ashleigh detractors are up in arms.

LOL

[Ammi]

Very true, also I could see BB playing past comments to Helen that Ashleigh made or vise versa. If they did become good friends.

And yea I was really disappointing with Winston the way he wanted Helen to go have an argument and his logic behind it was that she wasn't going to win the show anyway, so why be nice?? It must be the money making him so.

And I guess that is one of the main stumbling blocks for them and their relationships in there at the moment, they all would love to see the others mess up and ruin their chances of winning.

..it kind of makes you wonder though that we haven't seen a huge amount of Winston in the HL and then they're showing what would be seen in a bad light so is it just the money or could there have been stuff in the past that he likes to stir things/people up and we just weren't shown..?..like has he been that quiet and taken a back seat for weeks and then the 'sight' of the money suddenly perks him up..?....hmmmmm..that would seem quite odd to me as well/not impossible obviously but just doesn't sit right....and you're right, I can see more Ashleigh or Helen conversations played to them before the end...

[joeysteele]

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did and the topic of the warning she got and how it was twisted around to make it about - ASHLEIGH.
There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts. It was irrelevant. All that mattered was that ASHLEIGH didn't get a warning.

Helen has been aggressive many many times, and received warnings or reprimands or whatever and a final warning for bullying. She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said. (It isn't even known whether she got a warning or not as the editing has been crap this year.) It's a very weak comparison yet there were posts seriously comparing them and even suggesting Ashleigh was on a par or even worse than Helen with that one comment.

DOUBLE STANDARDS are mentioned regarding Helen getting a warning and Ashleigh apparently not. It's a double standard to use the smoke screen of Ashleigh's comment to mask and dilute Helen's much more aggressive behavior and her warning for aggression, which was the topic of the thread.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people and the heat taken off her by diverting the topic to ASHLEIGH more often than not. Is it because they know Helen is really awful now but don't want to admit it? Why do they shy away from discussing HER behavior and put the spotlight on to - ASHLEIGH.
I wonder.

Wrong jet,please refrain from generalising.
My first comment on this was people cannot go around threatening people and that the warning was right to be given to Helen.
Not all posts have said it was wrong ,in fact I can't find one that does.

Furthermore,the final warning when given ends with BB 'may',may being the operative word, have to act and remove whoever from the house.
They always cover themselves with the word 'may'.

AS for 2 ,14,20 warnings,look we haven't seen them, Emma on bbbots revealed last night that Helen had got a warning for this issue so really there is no evidence at all of the ever increasing hoped for warnings we are seeing on here and for sure not 20.
We would know if she had 20 warnings.
She may have been talked to a lot more times as to behaviour but 'not' with warnings.

Also as to comparing the 2 of Helen on this issue and Ashllegh as to Christopher.
I recall when I was at Uni, someone having a blazing row and threatening to hit someone but they never did.
I also came across someone having a dispute with another student,then sitting down with his drink and gently saying he would pay him back.

It was the latter who actually did go and hit the person and justifiably got heavily punished for same.
We have no idea who or how people will react,Ashleigh actually said I think she would smash Christopher's face in the mirror,
If you think that is acceptable when said in frustration and anger by her too then that actually amazes me.

I try to be as fair as I can even though I dislike Ashleigh,I have given credit where it is due in my opinion.
However please don't say the posts on here all support Helen and think she was wrong to get another warning when I and many others have not said or indicated that at all.

I wasn't going to respond to you as the the female housemates but I instantly said it was right that helen got that warning,on this thread.
You should acknowledge when making posts that I and others have said that and please don't generalise as to us all.

[bots]

I'm another Helen supporter that does not excuse Helen's behaviour in any way. But, lets be clear, the hm's know that Helen has anger issues and that she has a short fuse and they are quite clearly playing on that as the final looms. Yes, Helen flies of the handle and speaks before she thinks, but the hm's have been putting in snide comments designed to wind her up, Winston was goading her into that argument with Ashleigh and Chris. Helen's "friends" encourage her to behave that way and then stand back and laugh as it all kicks off

[Denver]

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

How would mathew know? Big brother states they are not allowed to discuss there warnings with other housemates so something tell me he is a lier

[bots]

How would mathew know? Big brother states they are not allowed to discuss there warnings with other housemates so something tell me he is a lier

A friend of a friend of a friend told me, therefore it must be true:laugh:

The only people that know are Helen and BB. BB have been transparent on this as they have publicly stated the 2 occasions that Helen has received a formal warning. As I stated previously, a formal warning is in writing, so no-one who has access to the actual information can make it up.

I find the comments in this thread regarding this laughable and entirely without any factual base

[arista]

What about Ashleigh's warning for the comment about bashing Christopher head in? oh that's right she never got one...



Yes
is because she is a angel?

[delta]

Non of these housemates are playing a game, what you see is what you get.

Ashiegh comes across as one of the most sickliest housemates ever to grace the BB domain.


There is nothing positive about her it's all negative, she is the sort that sucks the life out of you, all she can do is finger point and criticise, she's in her element when she is dissecting other people's behaviour and what better than when someone else comes to her with an observation then let the cat fest begin.


Shove her out front and tell her to entertain and she's fcuked. Did you see her in the money task where they were supposed to drink that horrible concoction through a tube, she never once made an effort and I noticed the camera kept well away from her.

Admittedly, non of them were really covered in glory on that one, but that isn't an isolated incident- any time she's shoved out front she balks and folds.


All she wants to do is CRITICISE- that gives her and Chris le raison de etre.


Worst kind of human beings to grace this planet.

[user104658]

There is nothing positive about her it's all negative


All she wants to do is CRITICISE


Worst kind of human beings to grace this planet.

Irony alert?

[MrWong]

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving £1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

Yep. Helen would rather have an extra £125 than give £1000 to charity.

[mizzmee]

Ashleigh probably did get a warning and she probably apologised and she probably apologised to Christopher but we are not shown this.
We are shown Helen's warning to garner sympathy for her as she 'realises the error of her ways'.
I'm sure none of them are saints but I don't think you could imagine Ashleigh actually carrying out her threat. How many times I your life has a friend pissed you off and maybe you've said something like that?
I'm not a fan of any one housemate but I have a feeling that Helen would lash out physically only she is very aware of the cameras.
So if this is a restrained Helen I'd hate to see her without self control.
Any other year, any other housemate, she'd have been long gone.

[bots]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying :laugh:

[mizzmee]

And to actually bring up a different name I say fair play to Winston for trying to advise Helen to go and speak to them rather than let the anger simmer to boiling point. He was dead right, she should have not mouthed off, she should have gone straight up to Ashleigh and Chris told them she heard their conversation and opened her ears for once and realized everything they said was not nasty and they were actually being quite fair.
But Helen hears what she wants because she is dying for, in her head, a valid reason to kick off.

[MrWong]

correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying :laugh:

From a quick scan of the thread I'd say it's only you that's saying that.

[bots]

From a quick scan of the thread I'd say it's only you that's saying that.

Excuse me? where did i ever say Ashleigh doesn't deserve a warning :conf:

You yourself previously brought up Ashleigh's charity involvement - no? What has that got to do with an aggression warning

[MrWong]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying :laugh:

Excuse me? where did i ever say Ashleigh doesn't deserve a warning :conf:

You yourself previously brought up Ashleigh's charity involvement - no? What has that got to do with an aggression warning

I never said you did. See above. You accused posters of saying "that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?"

From a scan of the thread, it's only you that's said such a thing.

One poster replied to another poster that said Ashleigh was a bad egg by countering that she gives to charity, which makes her a good egg.

The negative spin of that discussion was all your own doing.

[Niamh.]

Who is to say Ashleigh didn't receive a warning for the Christopher thing anyway btw, apparently Helens received 14 warnings or something, we've only actually been shown a couple :shrug:

[bots]

I never said you did. See above. You accused posters of saying "that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?"

From a scan of the thread, it's only you that's said such a thing.

One poster replied to another poster that said Ashleigh was a bad egg by countering that she gives to charity, which makes her a good egg.

The negative spin of that discussion was all your own doing.

Complete rubbish, consider yourself ignored

[MrWong]

Complete rubbish, consider yourself ignored

Ugh, I'm crushed :bawling:


:D

[jet]

Wrong jet,please refrain from generalising.
My first comment on this was people cannot go around threatening people and that the warning was right to be given to Helen.
Not all posts have said it was wrong ,in fact I can't find one that does.

Furthermore,the final warning when given ends with BB 'may',may being the operative word, have to act and remove whoever from the house.
They always cover themselves with the word 'may'.

AS for 2 ,14,20 warnings,look we haven't seen them, Emma on bbbots revealed last night that Helen had got a warning for this issue so really there is no evidence at all of the ever increasing hoped for warnings we are seeing on here and for sure not 20.
We would know if she had 20 warnings.
She may have been talked to a lot more times as to behaviour but 'not' with warnings.

Also as to comparing the 2 of Helen on this issue and Ashllegh as to Christopher.
I recall when I was at Uni, someone having a blazing row and threatening to hit someone but they never did.
I also came across someone having a dispute with another student,then sitting down with his drink and gently saying he would pay him back.

It was the latter who actually did go and hit the person and justifiably got heavily punished for same.
We have no idea who or how people will react,Ashleigh actually said I think she would smash Christopher's face in the mirror,
If you think that is acceptable when said in frustration and anger by her too then that actually amazes me.

I try to be as fair as I can even though I dislike Ashleigh,I have given credit where it is due in my opinion.
However please don't say the posts on here all support Helen and think she was wrong to get another warning when I and many others have not said or indicated that at all.

I wasn't going to respond to you as the the female housemates but I instantly said it was right that helen got that warning,on this thread.
You should acknowledge when making posts that I and others have said that and please don't generalise as to us all.

Quote me as to where I generalized, because I can't find it.
Quote me where I said I thought it was acceptable for Ashleigh to say what she did.

Quoting myself:

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did


I didn't say ALL the posts. If you or anyone else didn't do this, it doesn't apply to you or them.

There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts.

Again, as you see I didn't say all the posts.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people

Once again, only those who it applied to.

She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said.

Point out where I said I thought Ashleigh's comment was acceptable.

No need to lecture me Joey or take what I say personally. It isn't all about you. I read your posts along with the rest and I wasn't referring to you at all, in fact I thought your posts were fair.

Please do not put words into my mouth and thoughts into my head that don't exist.
People generalize all the time - we all do it - but I am usually careful of trying not to and I don't believe I have ever said ALL people do this or ALL posts say that.

I'm sick of this S*** anyway.

[dyfed]

These warning have become a utter waste if time,I always thought you were out on your third warning... Are they waiting for someone to get attacked in there,she is like a pressure pot waiting to blow,she has so much aggression.

[MrWong]

Who is to say Ashleigh didn't receive a warning for the Christopher thing anyway btw, apparently Helens received 14 warnings or something, we've only actually been shown a couple :shrug:

The only warnings that have been shown are 2 in week 2, one was for Marlon's sexual comments about Kimberly, the other was for Helen bullying Jale, which was more of a caution than a warning.

In week 3 Helen got a formal warning for threatening behaviour towards Matthew. Was this when she was given a final warning?

Then the warning shown last night.

[Kazanne]

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving £1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

oh STOP ramming your obsession down our throats!!! Some of us think she is vile, deal with it

[Kazanne]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying :laugh:

Bloody well said , bravo

[Kizzy]

It wasn't a warning was it it was just a chat to make her aware of how her words could be perceived is all.

[MrWong]

It wasn't a warning was it it was just a chat to make her aware of how her words could be perceived is all.

I wonder why it jumped from caution (the Jale bullying) to final warning (the threatening behaviour towards Matthew).

There must have been warnings in between the two that haven't been shown.

[lime]

How do people know Asleigh didn't get a warning.She should of had one btw but I think the first one we seen Helen recieveing was her 15th,so they obviously don't show us all the warnings.

[bots]

How do people know Asleigh didn't get a warning.She should of had one btw but I think the first one we seen Helen recieveing was her 15th,so they obviously don't show us all the warnings.

Its only formal warnings that are significant, as it is those that will ultimately result in someone being ejected from the house. Any number of hm's could have received unofficial warnings/chats about their behaviour

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Pathetic, its not as if she went up in Ashleighs face and said it. It was in a heated conversation with another housemate.

[Beso]

Helen still a **** I see.

[kefln]

:joker: ROTFLMAO :joker:

Helen gets another warning for being a nasty individual, people spend most of their time talking about Ashleigh. :laugh:

Says alot if you can't defend someone on their own merits. The blame has to shoveled off to BB, the producers, Ashleigh, everyone but Helen herself... :joker:

[Northern Monkey]

:joker: ROTFLMAO :joker:

Helen gets another warning for being a nasty individual, people spend most of their time talking about Ashleigh. :laugh:

Says alot if you can't defend someone on their own merits. The blame has to shoveled off to BB, the producers, Ashleigh, everyone but Helen herself... :joker:

So true:clap1:

[Kazanne]

How do people know Asleigh didn't get a warning.She should of had one btw but I think the first one we seen Helen recieveing was her 15th,so they obviously don't show us all the warnings.

I doubt very much she has had 15 !!! no doubt a rumour spread by Mathew who is very bitter towards Helen,and something people who dont like her are happy to hang on to and even add to.:joker:

[kefln]

I doubt very much she has had 15 !!! no doubt a rumour spread by Mathew who is very bitter towards Helen,and something pwoplw who dont like her are happy to hang on to and even add to.:joker:
Actually...you have no idea how many warning Helen has received, just like everyone else here. You can't dismiss it, as others can't prove it.

All we really know is that Helen was given a formal warning and has been warned yet again, for these two comments:

‘You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d'. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

‘I actually just want to go in and ****ing smash her ****ing head in.’

The reason people don't like her is right there in black and white. It has been there in every confrontation that she has had.

Facts are facts. Helen has been in trouble with BB more often than anyone else in the house. Helen has been in more fights that anyone else in the house. Says it all.

[Kazanne]

Actually...you have no idea how many warning Helen has received, just like everyone else here. You can't dismiss it, as others can't prove it.

All we really know is that Helen was given a formal warning and has been warned yet again, for these two comments:

‘You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d'. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

‘I actually just want to go in and ****ing smash her ****ing head in.’

The reason people don't like her is right there in black and white. It has been there in every confrontation that she has had.

Facts are facts. Helen has been in trouble with BB more often than anyone else in the house. Helen has been in more fights that anyone else in the house. Says it all.

We all KNOW this,i think the point people are TRYING to convey is the unfairness of this particular warning,are you with me so far? Are you telling me it's ok for Ashleigh to say something similar and get no comeback,Oh hang on,scrub that as you probably are!!

[joeysteele]

Actually...you have no idea how many warning Helen has received, just like everyone else here. You can't dismiss it, as others can't prove it.

All we really know is that Helen was given a formal warning and has been warned yet again, for these two comments:

‘You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d'. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

‘I actually just want to go in and ****ing smash her ****ing head in.’

The reason people don't like her is right there in black and white. It has been there in every confrontation that she has had.

Facts are facts. Helen has been in trouble with BB more often than anyone else in the house. Helen has been in more fights that anyone else in the house. Says it all.

Hardly fights, heated arguments yes, but fights no way.
Also maybe,just maybe,just as those of us who believe the listed number of warnings on here are wrong,it would also be better for those list of warnings as to numbers not to be stated as gospel that she has.

Perhaps the whole issue as to what other talking to or warnings she has had are best shelved until it is proven and confirmed by BB what the real facts are, rather than speculation,presented as facts.

[Denver]

Actually...you have no idea how many warning Helen has received, just like everyone else here. You can't dismiss it, as others can't prove it.

All we really know is that Helen was given a formal warning and has been warned yet again, for these two comments:

‘You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d'. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

‘I actually just want to go in and ****ing smash her ****ing head in.’

The reason people don't like her is right there in black and white. It has been there in every confrontation that she has had.

Facts are facts. Helen has been in trouble with BB more often than anyone else in the house. Helen has been in more fights that anyone else in the house. Says it all.

only 2 people know how many warnings were given they are helen and big brother. Mathew started the lie because he is a bitter idiot and cant except he is a nonity and a pointles disrespectful bitter human being

[kefln]

We all KNOW this,i think the point people are TRYING to convey is the unfairness of this particular warning,are you with me so far? Are you telling me it's ok for Ashleigh to say something similar and get no comeback,Oh hang on,scrub that as you probably are!!
Well done. Proving point :clap1:

Dismiss what others think/believe about how many warnings Helen has/hasn't got. But ok to put words in other peoples mouths!

[joeysteele]

only 2 people know how many warnings were given they are helen and big brother. Mathew started the lie because he is a bitter idiot and cant except he is a nonity and a pointles disrespectful bitter human being

I liked Matthew but he did have totally negative issues as to Helen and I agree with all you say above.

[kefln]

Hardly fights, heated arguments yes, but fights no way.
Also maybe,just maybe,just as those of us who believe the listed number of warnings on here are wrong,it would also be better for those list of warnings as to numbers not to be stated as gospel that she has.

Perhaps the whole issue as to what other talking to or warnings she has had are best shelved until it is proven and confirmed by BB what the real facts are, rather than speculation,presented as facts.
Yes, the "supposed" Helen warnings could be wrong, it could be more, it could be less.

But there is only one that counts. The formal one.

And its extremely funny to read peoples opinions on this. Denying that Helen has had so many warnings, despite having ex-HM's talk about it, but then have the same people demand to know why Ashleigh didn't get a warning.

Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't. Maybe the context, the nature and the character of the individual is whats taken into account before warnings are given out.

We've all have seen Helen's outbursts, its wrong to defend them by pointing the finger at another HM and cry foul.

[kefln]

only 2 people know how many warnings were given they are helen and big brother. Mathew started the lie because he is a bitter idiot and cant except he is a nonity and a pointles disrespectful bitter human being
And you know for sure that Mathew lied...because...no...you don't...because BB hasn't confirmed the number of warnings that Helen has received.

So you are trashing Mathew, trying to make a point about him being a disrespectful bitter person?

[Marsh.]

So unfair aswell,where is Ashleighs warning,for threatening to smash Christophers head in the mirror,totally double standards

:clap1: She's only ate teen.

[Marsh.]

And you know for sure that Mathew lied...because...no...you don't...because BB hasn't confirmed the number of warnings that Helen has received.

So you are trashing Mathew, trying to make a point about him being a disrespectful bitter person?

Exactly, BB hasn't confirmed the number, so out of everyone else in that house Matthew knows the number? Yeah, not likely.

[joeysteele]

Yes, the "supposed" Helen warnings could be wrong, it could be more, it could be less.

But there is only one that counts. The formal one.

And its extremely funny to read peoples opinions on this. Denying that Helen has had so many warnings, despite having ex-HM's talk about it, but then have the same people demand to know why Ashleigh didn't get a warning.

Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't. Maybe the context, the nature and the character of the individual is whats taken into account before warnings are given out.

We've all have seen Helen's outbursts, its wrong to defend them by pointing the finger at another HM and cry foul.

With respect however, we should and can only go on what we see,it is up to BB to show us the warnings when given and they haven't shown us Ashleigh getting one.
I stand by what I see,not from what others say or want to be the case.Nothing can operate properly like that.

It is undeniable, 2 threats were made to other housemates,not to their faces but both made in anger and likely frustration too.
Helen as to Ashleigh and smashing her face in, then also Ashleigh in a same scenario of anger and frustration as to Christopher, re- smashing his face into a mirror.

Now if one deserves a warning,then so does the other on balance I say, we know one has been given, we have no idea as yet if a warning was given for the other incident.
Until that is confirmed, then we are right to assume she didn't get one while Helen did.
As warnings are usually eventually shown to the viewers.

It isn't about praising one and running the other down,I have said on here Helen fully deserved her warning for it,that you cannot go around threatening people,however I equally believe Ashleigh deserves one for her incident too.

[kefln]

Exactly, BB hasn't confirmed the number, so out of everyone else in that house Matthew knows the number? Yeah, not likely.
Its not likely that Mathew, a HM who was there, doesn't know?

[joeysteele]

Exactly, BB hasn't confirmed the number, so out of everyone else in that house Matthew knows the number? Yeah, not likely.

Even it was true Marsh that she had got the 14, 15, 16,20 or whatever figure it has gone up to today as to warnings.
Then how could Matthew even know that and for sure Helen would have never confided that info to him either and neither would BB..

[Marsh.]

Even it was true Marsh that she had got the 14, 15, 16,20 or whatever figure it has gone up to today as to warnings.
Then how could Matthew even know that and for sure Helen would have never confided that info to him either and neither would BB..

That's what I'm saying. Helen and BB haven't told anyone so Matthew being the only person to spout about a number is ridiculous. He has no way of knowing. Especially since he's been out of the house for 6 weeks.

[Marsh.]

Its not likely that Mathew, a HM who was there, doesn't know?

It's not likely that he does know.

Outside of BB and Helen, why and how would Matthew know and none of the others?

[kefln]

With respect however, we should and can only go on what we see,it is up to BB to show us the warnings when given and they haven't shown us Ashleigh getting one.

I stand by what I see,not from waht others say or wnat to be the case.Nothing can operate properly like that.

It is undeniable, 2 threats were made to other housemates,not to theri faces but both made in anger and likely frustration too.

Helen as to Ashleigh and smashing her face in, then also Ashleigh in a same scenario of anger and frustration as to Christopher, re- smashing his face into a mirror.

Now if one deserves a warning,then so does the other on balnce I say, we know one has been given, we have no idea as yet if a warning was given for the other incident.
Until that is confirmed, then we are right to assume she didn't get one while Helen did.
As warnings are usually eventually shown to the viewers.

It isn't about praising one and running the other down,I have said on here Helen fully deserved her warning for it,that you cannot go around threatening people,however I equally believe Ashleigh deserves one for her incident too.
And that is your right.

However, Helen has received a formal warning for bad behaviour. She was told by BB that she was being monitored and further action would be taken if something similar happens again. Fast forward a few weeks and Helen makes a statement about smashing someones face in. BB has no choice but to call her up on it.

A person on probation can not be compared to a person with no prior history.

[Marsh.]

It's double standards no matter how it's dressed up.

Either it's against the rules to make such physical threats or it isn't. It can't go both ways. Both of them said it in an angry, pissed off manner. There is no difference.

[kefln]

It's not likely that he does know.

Outside of BB and Helen, why and how would Matthew know and none of the others?
But you don't know that he doesn't know. You are guessing that he doesn't know. And you don't know what the others know, or don't know.

He could be completely correct, or totally wrong.

[Kazanne]

And you know for sure that Mathew lied...because...no...you don't...because BB hasn't confirmed the number of warnings that Helen has received.

So you are trashing Mathew, trying to make a point about him being a disrespectful bitter person?

I wouldn't take Mathews word on anything to do with Helen,he has proved on BBBOTS just how much he hates her,of course he will say stuff to put her in a bad light

[joeysteele]

And that is your right.

However, Helen has received a formal warning for bad behaviour. She was told by BB that she was being monitored and further action would be taken if something similar happens again. Fast forward a few weeks and Helen makes a statement about smashing someones face in. BB has no choice but to call her up on it.

A person on probation can not be compared to a person with no prior history.

A bit selective with respect, threatening someone a first or 10+th time is still threatening them and cannot be excused lightly.
She maybe wouldn't warrant a final warning but a warning she should have got in fairness to Christopher if no one else,who she made the threat against.

[joeysteele]

It's not likely that he does know.

Outside of BB and Helen, why and how would Matthew know and none of the others?

Exactly, spot on.

[Kazanne]

But you don't know that he doesn't know. You are guessing that he doesn't know. And you don't know what the others know, or don't know.

He could be completely correct, or totally wrong.

Same as you are guessing,none of us know for sure,but it's highly likely BB would NOT have let it get to 15,pfft

[Marsh.]

But you don't know that he doesn't know. You are guessing that he doesn't know. And you don't know what the others know, or don't know.

He could be completely correct, or totally wrong.

Hence why I said "not likely". Read what I say properly.

We're all "guessing" without proof either way.

But you haven't answered my question, how likely is it that outside of Helen and BB only Matthew knows? Because he's the only housemate to even try to mention a number.

He also has a history of lying from being bitter.

How many ex housemates and only Matthew has brought it up?

[Denver]

Its not likely that Mathew, a HM who was there, doesn't know?

I find it funny how out of all the evicted housemates he was the only one informed

[kefln]

It's double standards no matter how it's dressed up.

Either it's against the rules to make such physical threats or it isn't. It can't go both ways. Both of them said it in an angry, pissed off manner. There is no difference.
Actually there is a difference. In fact there is an important difference.

Legally and socially most of what we say isn't taken literally. Context and tone are what allows co-existence.

The removal of context and tone is one of the key reasons that secondhand information causes so many problems. Its tainted by bias.

[Denver]

Actually there is a difference. In fact there is an important difference.

Legally and socially most of what we say isn't taken literally. Context and tone are what allows co-existence.

The removal of context and tone is one of the key reasons that secondhand information causes so many problems. Its tainted by bias.

The difference is ashliegh said it to his face helen said her comment in a diff room

[Marsh.]

Actually there is a difference. In fact there is an important difference.

Legally and socially most of what we say isn't taken literally. Context and tone are what allows co-existence.

The removal of context and tone is one of the key reasons that secondhand information causes so many problems. Its tainted by bias.

There was no difference in how either of them said it. Both of them said it because they were pissed off. Neither was anywhere close to actually doing anything.

If Helen had screamed it at Ashleigh and threatened her like the Matthew incident you'd have a point. But that's not what happened. In fact the opposite, Ashleigh said it directly to him. Are threats not banned in BB? We're not talking about legally, we're talking about Big Brother, where the rules used to be pretty clear.

But they also pick and choose when to punish nomination discussion so I'm really not surprised.

[kefln]

I find it funny how out of all the evicted housemates he was the only one informed
And are you the "only one informed" about what the other HM's do or don't know.

I think what you mean to say is that he's the only one that has made comment. Whether he's correct, or not, we don't know.

[Denver]

And are you the "only one informed" about what the other HM's do or don't know.

I think what you mean to say is that he's the only one that has made comment. Whether he's correct, or not, we don't know.

Im sure if it really happened ofcom would of went to town on them when they had complaints

[kefln]

There was no difference in how either of them said it. Both of them said it because they were pissed off. Neither was anywhere close to actually doing anything.

If Helen had screamed it at Ashleigh and threatened her like the Matthew incident you'd have a point. But that's not what happened. In fact the opposite, Ashleigh said it directly to him. Are threats not banned in BB? We're not talking about legally, we're talking about Big Brother, where the rules used to be pretty clear.

But they also pick and choose when to punish nomination discussion so I'm really not surprised.
Again going back to the formal warning. Helen has been warned that she is being monitored. Her past behaviour was too aggressive. Anything that she says has to be taken more seriously.

People make idle threats, and overblown statements, all the time. But on a show like BB, in a working environment, in a school, in a social group, if you have been warned about your behaviour and language in the past, you will be treated harsher for any lapses.

[kefln]

Im sure if it really happened ofcom would of went to town on them when they had complaints
I'm sorry, again, we the viewing public have no idea what the communication between Ofcom and C5 is like.

You can't make a guess about something and then declare it as "proof" about something else.

[Marsh.]

Again going back to the formal warning. Helen has been warned that she is being monitored. Her past behaviour was too aggressive. Anything that she says has to be taken more seriously.

People make idle threats, and overblown statements, all the time. But on a show like BB, in a working environment, in a school, in a social group, if you have been warned about your behaviour and language in the past, you will be treated harsher for any lapses.

You're missing the point. Threatening behaviour is not tolerated, previous warning or not.

But then the rules state housemates are forbidden from discussing nominations and they receive food and drink every night despite living on "rations" so I'm really not surprised.

[waterhog]

i picked up on this last night. only correct.

[Marsh.]

Im sure if it really happened ofcom would of went to town on them when they had complaints

I'm not sure it's ofcom's business. Aren't they only there tot enforce things that can and can't be broadcast? It's not down to them to check what happens in there if it isn't shown on TV.

[kefln]

You're missing the point. Threatening behaviour is not tolerated, previous warning or not.
I think you are missing the point.

How many fights/arguments was Helen involved in before getting her formal warning?

Helen was "let off" over and over again, until she took it too far.

By your own argument Helen should have been kicked out weeks ago.


But then the rules state housemates are forbidden from discussing nominations and they receive food and drink every night despite living on "rations" so I'm really not surprised.
Different point.

[Marsh.]

I think you are missing the point.

How many fights/arguments was Helen involved in before getting her formal warning?

Helen was "let off" over and over again, until she took it too far.

By your own argument Helen should have been kicked out weeks ago.


No, you are still missing the point.

I've not said Helen didn't deserve a warning. I'm looking for equal application of rules, which is nigh on impossible with BB these days. So my last sentence wasn't a different point, it was the point.

Threatening behaviour and language is threatening behaviour and language no matter what. Ashleigh should have had a warning regardless of whatever Helen has done.

Your assertion that Helen was "let off" time and time again is simply guesswork as you keep telling others.

[erinp5]

Big Brother Xtra ‏@BigBrotherXtra
ANOTHER warning! Helen weeps as Big Bro blast Ashleigh threats! pic.twitter.com/6idA76ODbm
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[tanussa]

you ashleigh fans only hear what u want to hear, open your minds and be honest

[Denver]

I'm not sure it's ofcom's business. Aren't they only there tot enforce things that can and can't be broadcast? It's not down to them to check what happens in there if it isn't shown on TV.

It is if viewers complained about the warnings

[Marsh.]

It is if viewers complained about the warnings

We don't know about warnings that haven't aired. :conf: What would you complain about?

[kefln]

No, you are still missing the point.

I've not said Helen didn't deserve a warning. I'm looking for equal application of rules, which is nigh on impossible with BB these days. So my last sentence wasn't a different point, it was the point.

Threatening behaviour and language is threatening behaviour and language no matter what. Ashleigh should have had a warning regardless of whatever Helen has done.
You are asking for consistency of the rules.

Helen was allowed to rant, name call and argue unchecked for the first few weeks.

Consistency would demand that others would be allowed a few weeks of ranting, name calling and arguing.

Inconsistency would be having a HM called up for a first offense, when compared to another HM being allowed to vent as they liked.

You can't have it both ways. If you want consistency, then allow for consistency. But if you want consistency and ask for inconsistency...


Your assertion that Helen was "let off" time and time again is simply guesswork as you keep telling others.
As is your assumption that Ashleigh wasn't asked about it in the DR room.

Again consistency. If Helen was "let off", then Ashleigh should be "let off". If Helen was talked to privately, then Ashleigh should have been. If Helen's conversations were kept private, then Ashleigh's should be too.

If you don't know, but are demanding consistency, then its a slippy slope of ifs.

[Marsh.]

Hello brick wall. *bang* *bang* *bang*

[kefln]

We don't know about warnings that haven't aired. :conf: What would you complain about?
Yet you are complaining about a warning that may, or may not, of happened. All we really know is that it wasn't aired.

[Marsh.]

Yet you are complaining about a warning that may, or may not, of happened. All we really know is that it wasn't aired.

:facepalm: No I'm not. I'm expressing my opinion that Big Brother is not sticking to its own rules.

That has nothing to do with Ofcom which the other poster was referring to. They do not deal with how the BB game is played/ran, that's not down to them. Missed the point again.

[Ammi]

you ashleigh fans only hear what u want to hear, open your minds and be honest

..please don't do that and please don't question honesty of fans, Asgleigh's or otherwise..if there is any honesty to be questioned, it's that of BB producers because a warning should have rightly been given in both cases so if we're to assume that Ashleigh also got one but that it wasn't shown then that wasn't 'honest' of them either because she should have been seen by the viewers to be warned as well..as should all housemate warning as viewers are the ones who spend their honest money to vote and make the show....

[kefln]

you ashleigh fans only hear what u want to hear, open your minds and be honest
...its easy to make comments about others opinions when you don't share your own...

[Niamh.]

you ashleigh fans only hear what u want to hear, open your minds and be honest

Keep it about the HMs and not their fans, thanks.

[kefln]

:facepalm: No I'm not. I'm expressing my opinion that Big Brother is not sticking to its own rules.

That has nothing to do with Ofcom which the other poster was referring to. They do not deal with how the BB game is played/ran, that's not down to them. Missed the point again.
And I would say that you've missed the point.

[kefln]

Hello brick wall. *bang* *bang* *bang*
Hello deflection of points... :joker:

[Marsh.]

And I would say that you've missed the point.

About ofcom? No I haven't sweetie.

[Marsh.]

Hello deflection of points... :joker:

When you respond to everything I say as though I'm saying Helen shouldn't have been warned or that everything she's had is fair there is nothing more to say. You miss the point.

[troy4783]

Ashleigh probably did get warned but it just wasn't shown but as Helen has been warned a few times now that's probably why they decided to show it .

[Denver]

We don't know about warnings that haven't aired. :conf: What would you complain about?

Im talking about when ofcom had complaints about helens behaviour they would have looked into it

[kefln]

When you respond to everything I say as though I'm saying Helen shouldn't have been warned or that everything she's had is fair there is nothing more to say. You miss the point.
If you keep demanding that BB are consistent and that all "threatening behaviour" is treated the same, but have nothing to go on but what has been shown on the HL show, then you've missed the point.

If you expect BB to edit the show so that we see every interaction and reaction, then you've missed the point.

If you want BB to follow their own rules, when for 15 years BB have openly stated that BB can change the rules at any time, then you've missed the point.

And if you are surprised that a person keeps referring to Helen getting warned, or not getting warned, in a thread about Helen getting warned, then you've missed a very large point.

The only way to discuss the rights and wrongs about Helen getting warned, and question whether Ashleigh was or not, is to discuss Helen, Ashleigh, BB and how they act/edit/control the situation.

Everything about fans reactions in BB is about opinions. We all have them. We come to sites like this to talk about them, and that is the point.

[Marsh.]

Im talking about when ofcom had complaints about helens behaviour they would have looked into it

From what aired. Her actual behaviour in there off camera is of no interest surely?

Just like the punishment C4 got over the race row was over what was aired and how it was aired.

[Marsh.]

If you keep demanding that BB are consistent and that all "threatening behaviour" is treated the same, but have nothing to go on but what has been shown on the HL show, then you've missed the point.

If you expect BB to edit the show so that we see every interaction and reaction, then you've missed the point.

If you want BB to follow their own rules, when for 15 years BB have openly stated that BB can change the rules at any time, then you've missed the point.

And if you are surprised that a person keeps referring to Helen getting warned, or not getting warned, in a thread about Helen getting warned, then you've missed a very large point.

The only way to discuss the rights and wrongs about Helen getting warned, and question whether Ashleigh was or not, is to discuss Helen, Ashleigh, BB and how they act/edit/control the situation.

Everything about fans reactions in BB is about opinions. We all have them. We come to sites like this to talk about them, and that is the point.

Oh dear. That's a nice story.

Come back when you're actually on topic and not putting daft words in my mouth. :thumbs:

[Denver]

From what aired. Her actual behaviour in there off camera is of no interest surely?

Just like the punishment C4 got over the race row was over what was aired and how it was aired.

If its repeat offending (which it is) they have every right to look at what is being done to sort it out

[bots]

Looking at the details that we do know.

Helen received a number of warnings about her behaviour in the past. IIRC the formal warning was issued when she threatened Mathew in a physical way, right in his face. This was not as a result of offense built up (repeated offenses) but due to the extreme nature of the single attack on Mathew.

Helen has not repeated anything like that again in the house, and so, I don't believe she has received another formal warning (bit confusing given all the poster noise :))

So, given the nature of both Helen's and Ashleigh's behaviour, and it being almost identical, we would reasonably expect BB to issue Ashleigh and Helen with informal warnings where it would appear it was only applied to Helen.

That is what is angering many here as it doesn't appear to be at all consistent

[Marsh.]

If its repeat offending (which it is) they have every right to look at what is being done to sort it out

No they don't. They are the broadcast regulator, it's not down to them to ensure anything about housemates being warned/behaviour. They enforce rules about what is broadcast and what isn't.

[jet]

:joker: ROTFLMAO :joker:

Helen gets another warning for being a nasty individual, people spend most of their time talking about Ashleigh. :laugh:

Says alot if you can't defend someone on their own merits. The blame has to shoveled off to BB, the producers, Ashleigh, everyone but Helen herself... :joker:

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Babschap]

She has got way to many warnings to grant her stay. What a vile peace of trash with obvious anger management issues.


Good comment! I agree

[LukeB]

we only see 1 hour of big brother! we do not know if ashleigh did or didnt get a warning, ashleigh didnt say it in an agressive tone she said it in a moody tone. big brother knows ashleigh never ment it because she hasn't come across agressive as helen, people hate helen more then ashleigh to

[Marsh.]

But they knew Helen meant it because she kicks people's head in? Ok.

[Vicky.]

The double standards argument is totally right tbh...it happens all the time though.

If a guy says it to another guy, it all depends on how big they are. If a girl says something to a guy its fine, whereas there would be hell on the other way round...etc etc

I mean, imagine if Pav had gone in and told (for example) Helen that he wanted to ride her and stuff immediately, then gone on and on about it..despite it quite obviously making Helen uncomfortable. He would be labelled a sex pest and likely ejected after about an hour. Whereas it was funny and fine with it being Biannca...

BB is full of double standards, as is life sadly.

[Achilles]

we only see 1 hour of big brother! we do not know if ashleigh did or didnt get a warning, ashleigh didnt say it in an agressive tone she said it in a moody tone. big brother knows ashleigh never ment it because she hasn't come across agressive as helen, people hate helen more then ashleigh to

Exactly. There is a MASSIVE difference between what Ashleigh said sat at a table in a mood and what Helen said during an aggressive rant. ANY judge on the planet would be able to see the clear difference between the 2 incidents.
Maybe Ashleigh and Chris should have got a warning for saying F you to each other too :rolleyes:

[wormsinfested]

Get her out now, c'mon!

[Marsh.]

An aggressive rant? Whispering to Ash in the bathroom. :umm2: I thought she was going to kick a dog tbh. :idc:

[Denver]

No they don't. They are the broadcast regulator, it's not down to them to ensure anything about housemates being warned/behaviour. They enforce rules about what is broadcast and what isn't.

They have a duty to make sure everyone taking part in a programme are safe

[hijaxers]

It'd be great if we could all have a discussion about something without it turning into 'fan wars' for once :laugh:

I'm not a fan of either of them but Helen really should have been ejected by now with a dirty great boot up her poop shoot !

[Marsh.]

They have a duty to make sure everyone taking part in a programme are safe

:laugh: No they don't. That's the producers. That's not what Ofcom are there for.

They are there to ensure broadcasting rules are abided by.

[RockBottom]

Non of these housemates are playing a game, what you see is what you get.

Ashiegh comes across as one of the most sickliest housemates ever to grace the BB domain.


There is nothing positive about her it's all negative, she is the sort that sucks the life out of you, all she can do is finger point and criticise, she's in her element when she is dissecting other people's behaviour and what better than when someone else comes to her with an observation then let the cat fest begin.


Shove her out front and tell her to entertain and she's fcuked. Did you see her in the money task where they were supposed to drink that horrible concoction through a tube, she never once made an effort and I noticed the camera kept well away from her.

Admittedly, non of them were really covered in glory on that one, but that isn't an isolated incident- any time she's shoved out front she balks and folds.


All she wants to do is CRITICISE- that gives her and Chris le raison de etre.


Worst kind of human beings to grace this planet.

Did you know she gives to animal charities?

[Livia]

I'm not a fan of either of them but Helen really should have been ejected by now with a dirty great boot up her poop shoot !

LOL... poop shoot.

BB made the call and gave Helen a warning. They made another call and didn't give Ashleigh a warning. There will be reasons... I'm down with Helen being dragged in and reprimanded, her behaviour has been aggressive and abrasive from day one. Although I would be happier with what Hijaxers suggests.

[bots]

Did you know she gives to animal charities?

Oh no, Ashleigh is visiting again
http://www.jacquipatersons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Fear.jpg

[joeysteele]

Quote me as to where I generalized, because I can't find it.
Quote me where I said I thought it was acceptable for Ashleigh to say what she did.

Quoting myself:



I didn't say ALL the posts. If you or anyone else didn't do this, it doesn't apply to you or them.



Again, as you see I didn't say all the posts.



Once again, only those who it applied to.



Point out where I said I thought Ashleigh's comment was acceptable.

No need to lecture me Joey or take what I say personally. It isn't all about you. I read your posts along with the rest and I wasn't referring to you at all, in fact I thought your posts were fair.

Please do not put words into my mouth and thoughts into my head that don't exist.
People generalize all the time - we all do it - but I am usually careful of trying not to and I don't believe I have ever said ALL people do this or ALL posts say that.

I'm sick of this S*** anyway.

Hmm, I did think hard before I made the response to your post but I see nowhere where you acknowledge the people who did say Helen was wrong,myself being one of them.

I am really glad to hear you forcefully now condemn Ashleigh too for her aggressive behaviour.

Hands up that I was not correct as to you generalising generally,however your start to your post states 'posts on here',it does not say 'some' posts on here.

However,while things are not obviously all about me as you say,when I say something it is only my view I am expressing,
You said, you thought my posts were fair, as I also believe others were too but that expression is nowhere in your post with the fullest and total respect.

This is by far the worst BB for you and I,I accept that as I hate one person constantly attacked all the time while another who has been far from perfect is presented as someone to look up to instead.

I look up to neither of them and find both offensive at times,one I find more entertaining than the other and one I dislike for a characteristic I really reject as to people.

My apologies for upsetting you, I do try to be fair,even when it is hard to be, I have seen others do so too.
To point out the negatives as to posting one way or the other is all fine but acknowledgement that not all do so, goes a long way too.

I think the best thing for you and I to do on this is to avoid responding to each other as to these 2 housemates as we will never agree.
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to respond in the way you did above, it sounds different broken down that way I admit.
I appreciate your enlightenment as to that.

All my best to you anyway.

[rionablue]

It should be same rules for all the housemates and Ashleigh should also have received a warning for saying basically the same thing to Christopher. Just cos Helen said it to precious princess Ashleigh she is hauled to the dining room. By the way NONE of them should have said it so I am not condoning Helens actions but fair if fecking fair Big Brother. You cant pick and chose which housemates to warn when two of them have used aggressive words !!!!

[Livia]

Do we know for sure that Ashleigh wasn't also warned? No we don't.

[Kazanne]

Do we know for sure that Ashleigh wasn't also warned? No we don't.

Well surely IF she has,it should have been shown aswell in all fairness.

[Dollface]

I find it strange that she got a warning for this comment but didn't get a warning for her comment about Danielle sh****** Jesus. (as far as i'm aware, she didn't get reprimanded for that comment at all) which was a lot worse than what she said in the heat of the moment about Ashleigh

[Livia]

Well surely IF she has,it should have been shown aswell in all fairness.

To be honest, I don't care whether they warn Helen a hundred times or just let her fly. Come finals night when she's booed back to the Stone Age, that'll do nicely for me.

[Dollface]

Warnings are like chocolate teapots, they're useless.

[Kazanne]

Warnings are like chocolate teapots, they're useless.

This one might stop them
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-3/electric-chair-1.jpg:hehe:

[bots]

Do we know for sure that Ashleigh wasn't also warned? No we don't.

Even by some strange set of events if an Ashleigh warning didn't make it on to the HL show, there is still twitter where the Helen warning was posted, yet no sign of a corresponding Ashleigh post.

So the evidence is mounting that Ashleigh didn't get a warning

[Achilles]

It should be same rules for all the housemates and Ashleigh should also have received a warning for saying basically the same thing to Christopher. Just cos Helen said it to precious princess Ashleigh she is hauled to the dining room. By the way NONE of them should have said it so I am not condoning Helens actions but fair if fecking fair Big Brother. You cant pick and chose which housemates to warn when two of them have used aggressive words !!!!

Did you and the other people commenting actually see BOTH incidents or are you going on quotes?
Here is the difference. Ashleigh was sat at a table in a mood after having a brief tiff with Christopher. She said she felt like bashing his head on mirror. As in, she felt frustrated with him. She did not want to go into the bedroom and bash Christopher's brains in. It's like when you are trying to explain something to someone and they don't understand you can feel like you want to grab the head and knock sense into them so they understand.
With Helen is was completely different. She was pacing the bedroom and ranting about what she thought she heard Ashleigh and Chris saying. She was angry and said she felt like going in there and kicking her head in. If she wasn't on national TV there is the chance she WOULD have. The chance is very real because we know what kind of character Helen is. She is violent, aggressive and a bully. If people seriously think Ashleigh wanted to literally bang Christopher's head in the same way Helen wanted to then you are completely delusional and would make AWFUL judges in a court.

[Dollface]

This one might stop them
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-3/electric-chair-1.jpg:hehe:

:hehe: Now that will teach them a lesson

[Livia]

Even by some strange set of events if an Ashleigh warning didn't make it on to the HL show, there is still twitter where the Helen warning was posted, yet no sign of a corresponding Ashleigh post.

So the evidence is mounting that Ashleigh didn't get a warning

Maybe the fact that Helen's been warned a gazillion times before prompted them to post it. I don't call a post on Twitter "mounting evidence". In any case, context and intent would have been taken into account when they made the decision to give warnings out and it's their call. Personally, I don't much care who got a warning because they're ultimately meaningless.

[Kazanne]

Did you and the other people commenting actually see BOTH incidents or are you going on quotes?
Here is the difference. Ashleigh was sat at a table in a mood after having a brief tiff with Christopher. She said she felt like bashing his head on mirror. As in, she felt frustrated with him. She did not want to go into the bedroom and bash Christopher's brains in. It's like when you are trying to explain something to someone and they don't understand you can feel like you want to grab the head and knock sense into them so they understand.
With Helen is was completely different. She was pacing the bedroom and ranting about what she thought she heard Ashleigh and Chris saying. She was angry and said she felt like going in there and kicking her head in. If she wasn't on national TV there is the chance she WOULD have. The chance is very real because we know what kind of character Helen is. She is violent, aggressive and a bully. If people seriously think Ashleigh wanted to literally bang Christopher's head in the same way Helen wanted to then you are completely delusional and would make AWFUL judges in a court.

I am not delusional,I am also not besotted with Ashleigh ,she was equally as venomous as Helen,most people can see this,stop insulting people who dont agree with you,BOTH were nasty,BOTH should have had a warning.FACT.

[bots]

Did you and the other people commenting actually see BOTH incidents or are you going on quotes?
Here is the difference. Ashleigh was sat at a table in a mood after having a brief tiff with Christopher. She said she felt like bashing his head on mirror. As in, she felt frustrated with him. She did not want to go into the bedroom and bash Christopher's brains in. It's like when you are trying to explain something to someone and they don't understand you can feel like you want to grab the head and knock sense into them so they understand.
With Helen is was completely different. She was pacing the bedroom and ranting about what she thought she heard Ashleigh and Chris saying. She was angry and said she felt like going in there and kicking her head in. If she wasn't on national TV there is the chance she WOULD have. The chance is very real because we know what kind of character Helen is. She is violent, aggressive and a bully. If people seriously think Ashleigh wanted to literally bang Christopher's head in the same way Helen wanted to then you are completely delusional and would make AWFUL judges in a court.

With respect, I saw both incidents and Ashleigh was in a rage. So I do see the incidents as equal. Only my view of course, but I know what I saw.

[Achilles]

I am not delusional,I am also not besotted with Ashleigh ,she was equally as venomous as Helen,most people can see this,stop insulting people who dont agree with you,BOTH were nasty,BOTH should have had a warning.FACT.

You can say my opinion is biased because I am "besotted" with Ashleigh and I can return the lazy insult and say your opinion is biased because you hate Ashleigh. I know that I am not biased though, I am looking at it completely objectively and comparing the situation, the people involved and the context of everything.

[Kazanne]

You can say my opinion is biased because I am "besotted" with Ashleigh and I can return the lazy insult and say your opinion is biased because you hate Ashleigh. I know that I am not biased though, I am looking at it completely objectively and comparing the situation, the people involved and the context of everything.

There you go again,'presuming' that people hate Ashleigh because they dont like her,you really dont know everything do you? I have NEVER said I hate her,I dont like her,and there is the difference.

[Achilles]

There you go again,'presuming' that people hate Ashleigh because they dont like her,you really dont know everything do you? I have NEVER said I hate her,I dont like her,and there is the difference.

You always deny it, yet I have seen you say you detest her and that she is vile and you post negative posts about her ALL THE TIME.

[joeysteele]

Well surely IF she has,it should have been shown aswell in all fairness.

One would be right to expect that Kazanne,in the absence of it then the assumption is probably that she didn't.
I am also sure it would be announced on bbbots had it taken place too as both Helen's warnings have been revealed on there.

[jet]

Hmm, I did think hard before I made the response to your post but I see nowhere where you acknowledge the people who did say Helen was wrong,myself being one of them.

I am really glad to hear you forcefully now condemn Ashleigh too for her aggressive behaviour.

Hands up that I was not correct as to you generalising generally,however your start to your post states 'posts on here',it does not say 'some' posts on here.

However,while things are not obviously all about me as you say,when I say something it is only my view I am expressing,
You said, you thought my posts were fair, as I also believe others were too but that expression is nowhere in your post with the fullest and total respect.

This is by far the worst BB for you and I,I accept that as I hate one person constantly attacked all the time while another who has been far from perfect is presented as someone to look up to instead.

I look up to neither of them and find both offensive at times,one I find more entertaining than the other and one I dislike for a characteristic I really reject as to people.

My apologies for upsetting you, I do try to be fair,even when it is hard to be, I have seen others do so too.
To point out the negatives as to posting one way or the other is all fine but acknowledgement that not all do so, goes a long way too.

I think the best thing for you and I to do on this is to avoid responding to each other as to these 2 housemates as we will never agree.
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to respond in the way you did above, it sounds different broken down that way I admit.
I appreciate your enlightenment as to that.

All my best to you anway.

With respect to you too, Joey, my post was about those who diverted the topic away from Helen and used Ashleigh as a means of doing so. I didn't mention those who did not do so as I take it as a given when I say SOME people and SOME posts, then those who didn't do so know I am not talking about their posts.
I wouldn't want to have to explain this every time I have an opinion on something, and I don't expect anyone else to either.

however your start to your post states 'posts on here',it does not say 'some' posts on here.


If we are being picky, then no, that is incorrect. The start of my post says 'the posts in this thread that...' which indicate certain posts. If did not say 'posts on here' as you claim.

I am really glad to hear you forcefully now condemn Ashleigh too for her aggressive behaviour.

I didn't say I forcefully condemned her. I didn't agree with her saying it, and she should have had a telling off for it and maybe she did. But one aggressive comment (which many people can admit to making when tired, stressed etc) is not in any way comparable to Helen's many, many episodes of aggression. She was warned for being a bully fgs. I forcefully condemn that, not Ashleigh's one and only transgression.

Anyway, thank you for you apology, though there was no need of it, it was nice of you.

It is all Helen's fault anyway. She causes trouble in the house, and she causes trouble outside of it. Trouble is her middle name. :joker: And that Ashleigh one too has a lot to answer for. :joker:
Women eh? Cause nothing but trouble for us menfolk. :laugh:

[Kazanne]

You always deny it, yet I have seen you say you detest her and that she is vile and you post negative posts about her ALL THE TIME.

Because I dont LIKE her,bloody hell:joker::joker::joker: find me a post where I have said I hate her? she is vile imo,not certain I've ever said I detest her either,I'de like that post too,when I see something nice that she does or says I will post it,not seen anything yet.

[Achilles]

Because I dont LIKE her,bloody hell:joker::joker::joker: find me a post where I have said I hate her? she is vile imo,not certain I've ever said I detest her either,I'de like that post too,when I see something nice that she does or says I will post it,not seen anything yet.

You know you fibbing, I can picture you pulling Zoe faces :laugh:

[Cold Sweat]

When is Christopher getting his warning for threatening to kick Mark up the stairs and out of the house?

Never... obviously... because just like Ashleigh there was no violent intent meant by it.

[Kazanne]

You know you fibbing, I can picture you pulling Zoe faces :laugh:

Not fibbing,you pull those posts up to me and I will apologize,I have NEVER EVER said I hate her and will be surprised if I ever said I detested her,i have called her vile,which imo sometimes she is.just for curiosities sake Do you like Pav?

[Achilles]

Not fibbing,you pull those posts up to me and I will apologize,I have NEVER EVER said I hate her and will be surprised if I ever said I detested her,i have called her vile,which imo sometimes she is.just for curiosities sake Do you like Pav?

I don't need to because I have no wish to prove it to anyone. I know myself and that's all that matters.
I don't to continue being sidetracked in the thread.
The 2 incidents are not comparable. I am not saying this because I like one housemate and hate another, I am being objective and I know I am being objective because being objective is how I roll in general day to day life. I can switch on the adoration, but I can also switch it off.

[Kazanne]

I don't need to because I have no wish to prove it to anyone. I know myself and that's all that matters.
I don't to continue being sidetracked in the thread.
The 2 incidents are not comparable. I am not saying this because I like one housemate and hate another, I am being objective and I know I am being objective because being objective is how I roll in general day to day life. I can switch on the adoration, but I can also switch it off.

But that's just it you stated I hated her,prove it? you cant because it's never been said,I rest my case ,until of course you prove me wrong,even Pav now seems to be getting a feeling about here according to the twitter robot,lol.

8.36pm: Pav reckons Ashleigh is only happy in the House when someone else gets evicted on Fridays. Ouch.

[Dollface]

8.36pm: Pav reckons Ashleigh is only happy in the House when someone else gets evicted on Fridays. Ouch.

Haha omg, Pav is getting feisty :hehe:

[Achilles]

But that's just it you stated I hated her,prove it? you cant because it's never been said,I rest my case ,until of course you prove me wrong,even Pav now seems to be getting a feeling about here according to the twitter robot,lol.

8.36pm: Pav reckons Ashleigh is only happy in the House when someone else gets evicted on Fridays. Ouch.

I watch all the uploads and follow the twitter and facebook comments. I know why Pav said that. I stated in another thread that Pav is one of the cool kids since the big row that happened. If you are part of the cool kids you will act like the cool kids. It's not rocket science.
Ash said he doesn't like Christopher earlier today. Does that mean Christopher is a c *** or Ash is a c ***? :shrug:

[Lex]

Because I dont LIKE her,bloody hell:joker::joker::joker: find me a post where I have said I hate her? she is vile imo,not certain I've ever said I detest her either,I'de like that post too,when I see something nice that she does or says I will post it,not seen anything yet.

I wouldn't bother Kaz....I was in the same position with LukeB the other day, and he couldn't back his "you are always hating on a young girl" accusation either...and i'm afraid Achilles is in the same boat! ..These Ashleigh worshippers are just not capable of thinking straight this series...I think that the miserable little China-Doll must be practising some of that Irish pishogue on them! :smug:

[Oh no...i'm going to get hammered for calling her a witch now! D: ] :tongue:

[Kazanne]

I watch all the uploads and follow the twitter and facebook comments. I know why Pav said that. I stated in another thread that Pav is one of the cool kids since the big row that happened. If you are part of the cool kids you will act like the cool kids. It's not rocket science.
Ash said he doesn't like Christopher earlier today. Does that mean Christopher is a c *** or Ash is a c ***? :shrug:

Neither of them imo,in life there will be people we don't like,must admit I went off Christopher a bit after the last couple of days

[Kazanne]

I wouldn't bother Kaz....I was in the same position with LukeB the other day, and he couldn't back his "you are always hating on a young girl" accusation either...and i'm afraid Achilles is in the same boat! ..These Ashleigh worshippers are just not capable of thinking straight this series...I think that the miserable little China-Doll must be practising some of that Irish pishogue on them! :smug:

[Oh no...i'm going to get hammered for calling her a witch now! D: ] :tongue:

:joker: lex,well they do say Like is drawn to like:thumbs:get your helmet on,the stones will be coming,LOL

[MrWong]

Haha omg, Pav is getting feisty :hehe:

Pav going to the dark side will be his undoing.

Which suits me fine as he's a **** hm :D

[Marsh.]

Maybe the fact that Helen's been warned a gazillion times before prompted them to post it. I don't call a post on Twitter "mounting evidence". In any case, context and intent would have been taken into account when they made the decision to give warnings out and it's their call. Personally, I don't much care who got a warning because they're ultimately meaningless.

How many warnings have been confirmed and televised so far? 2? This is the third.

Where's the source of her "gazillion warnings"? There isn't one. :smug: Do we know she had all those warnings? No we don't. :p

[Kazanne]

You watch Pav get loads of hate now:joker::joker::joker:

[bots]

I watch all the uploads and follow the twitter and facebook comments. I know why Pav said that. I stated in another thread that Pav is one of the cool kids since the big row that happened. If you are part of the cool kids you will act like the cool kids. It's not rocket science.
Ash said he doesn't like Christopher earlier today. Does that mean Christopher is a c *** or Ash is a c ***? :shrug:

Pav said very recently that he didn't feel comfortable with the way either group was behaving. Pav is his own man. After the way they have all behaved to him, he couldn't think anything else. If Pav is going to be in the house next week, he can do very nicely on his own

[MrWong]

I wouldn't bother Kaz....I was in the same position with LukeB the other day, and he couldn't back his "you are always hating on a young girl" accusation either...and i'm afraid Achilles is in the same boat! ..These Ashleigh worshippers are just not capable of thinking straight this series...I think that the miserable little China-Doll must be practising some of that Irish pishogue on them! :smug:

[Oh no...i'm going to get hammered for calling her a witch now! D: ] :tongue:

:sleep::sleep::sleep:

Pretty lazy attacking the fans of Ashleigh when the threads about Helen getting a warning.

I guess it's easier than defending Helen.

[Lex]

:joker: lex,well they do say Like is drawn to like:thumbs:get your helmet on,the stones will be coming,LOL


Yep!...i'm on it Kaz. :laugh:


http://www.tinfoilhat.be/tinfoilhat.jpg

[Lex]

:sleep::sleep::sleep:

Pretty lazy attacking the fans of Ashleigh when the threads about Helen getting a warning.

I guess it's easier than defending Helen.


Helen needs NO defending...and virtually the whole ten pages of the thread has been about the variation in BB's treatment of Helen and Ashleigh!!....Keep up Wong! :smug:

[Kazanne]

Yep!...i'm on it Kaz. :laugh:


http://www.tinfoilhat.be/tinfoilhat.jpg

:joker::joker:

[MrWong]

Helen needs NO defending...and virtually the whole ten pages of the thread has been about the variation in BB's treatment of Helen and Ashleigh!!....Keep up Wong! :smug:

Oh so you're just trolling?

My mistake, carry on..

[rionablue]

Did you and the other people commenting actually see BOTH incidents or are you going on quotes?
Here is the difference. Ashleigh was sat at a table in a mood after having a brief tiff with Christopher. She said she felt like bashing his head on mirror. As in, she felt frustrated with him. She did not want to go into the bedroom and bash Christopher's brains in. It's like when you are trying to explain something to someone and they don't understand you can feel like you want to grab the head and knock sense into them so they understand.
With Helen is was completely different. She was pacing the bedroom and ranting about what she thought she heard Ashleigh and Chris saying. She was angry and said she felt like going in there and kicking her head in. If she wasn't on national TV there is the chance she WOULD have. The chance is very real because we know what kind of character Helen is. She is violent, aggressive and a bully. If people seriously think Ashleigh wanted to literally bang Christopher's head in the same way Helen wanted to then you are completely delusional and would make AWFUL judges in a court.

Judging our character is way out of line Achilles. It is against the rules of the forums to slate the characters or mannerisms of the posters. The forum is to discuss housemates. I called it as I see it and yes I saw both incidents. You called it the way you saw it and I did NOT hurtle insults at you or any other poster of the same opinion as you. We are all entitled to air our opinion and I take OFFENCE to the last of your post. Whether any of the girls meant what they said is not the question here. BOTH girls uttered similar words about another housemate and they should both have got a warning

[Lstan]

Oh my God,I cannot believe some of the stuff I am reading,LOL people cant even admit ,that is totally double standards no matter who said it.Jesus wept.

oh there is a lot of double standards on this forum Kazanne, and ironically yes this thread appears to have proved your point :laugh: