Will the Vote to Win start on Friday? Or is there another "Twist"?

[Yaki da]

Okay, so the final has been confirmed for the 15th. I notice there's a show on Monday at 9 pm however. Surely not another twist with an eviction before vote to win?

[VanessaFeltz.]

please vote to win.

[Marsh.]

I'd love another twist. Just what the series needs.

[Jack_]

I don't think we've had a weeks long vote to win in a longggg time, in recent years it's been three or four days which is pathetic. So let's hope so

Also hope there's no midweek eviction if they're opening the VTW lines because if Helen were to leave that isn't a place in the final is it?

[Achilles]

I think Emma will open the phones lines at the end of Friday's show. VOTE TO WIN.
Then I think 1 (Helen?) will leave midweek (Wednesday) leaving 5 for the final night.

[Marsh.]

I think Emma will open the phones lines at the end of Friday's show. VOTE TO WIN.
Then I think 1 (Helen?) will leave midweek (Wednesday) leaving 5 for the final night.

She has a pass to the FINAL, not a pass to the 48 hours before the final.

[Lister of Smeg]

I swear if there just one more twist im going to develop a hernia .

[mrflibble]

But if they open the vote to win lines for a week for the final, then surely Helen would have to be included in that. If they do a midweek for the person with the least amount of votes, that still counts as being part of the final vote. Because BB know she has no chance of winning, I'm sure they'll try to weasel her out of it though.

[troy4783]

She has a pass to the FINAL, not a pass to the 48 hours before the final.We need a few good days to vote for the win though not 48 hours that does not seem fair unless no one goes mid week and the 6 left are all in the final .

[joeysteele]

Lord knows, BB will just do what they will, it may be that they are all up to evict,minus Helen on Friday until Monday or whatever with an eviction then and then the lines for the remainder are vote to win.

Who knows with this series however, anything could happen and it would be amazing if we went the whole of the last week without another daft twist.
BB are obsessed with the word 'twist'.

[VanessaFeltz.]

ash will leave if it is a mid-week eviction not helen

[Marsh.]

We need a few good days to vote for the win though not 48 hours that does not seem fair unless no one goes mid week and the 6 left are all in the final .

Well then they can't have a midweek eviction.

I think it's likely there'll be a Monday eviction with 4 days to vote for the winner. Which is fair enough, hardly makes a difference nowadays with so few viewers.

[Achilles]

They've twisted and turned so much series I don't think is much of an issue if they adjust pass to the final to become pass to the final week, VTW.

They might actually want her evicted midweek so they can have a big interview with her by herself.

[Yaki da]

She has a pass to the FINAL, not a pass to the 48 hours before the final.

She's in the final lineup. That's where her pass takes her.

[joeysteele]

ash will leave if it is a mid-week eviction not helen

Well Helen cannot be up for any vote until the actual final,hence the free pass,so if it is another eviction before the lines to win are opened then Helen cannot be part of that vote.

[Marsh.]

I don't think is much of an issue if they adjust pass to the final to become pass to the final week, VTW.

And I am far from surprised you think that.

[Yaki da]

Well then they can't have a midweek eviction. .

They can. Just like they could take away Ashleigh's immunity

[Marsh.]

She's in the final lineup. That's where her pass takes her.

Her pass takes her to the final. Leaving anytime before that final is not the "final lineup".

[Yaki da]

Well Helen cannot be up for any vote until the actual final,hence the free pass,so if it is another eviction before the lines to win are opened then Helen cannot be part of that vote.

But vote to win is the FINAL. if she goes out first, that's her problem. But she was in the final lineup

[Marsh.]

They can. Just like they could take away Ashleigh's immunity

Bless.

[Yaki da]

Her pass takes her to the final. Leaving anytime before that final is not the "final lineup".

She's in the final lineup. She just went out first.

[troy4783]

Well then they can't have a midweek eviction.

I think it's likely there'll be a Monday eviction with 4 days to vote for the winner. Which is fair enough, hardly makes a difference nowadays with so few viewers.How will they do that though because there is no more nominations ? I hope they just open Vote To Win on Friday Helen probably wouldn't even go in a Midweek eviction it would most likely be Ash or Pav if he stays on Friday.

[joeysteele]

I don't think we've had a weeks long vote to win in a longggg time, in recent years it's been three or four days which is pathetic. So let's hope so

Also hope there's no midweek eviction if they're opening the VTW lines because if Helen were to leave that isn't a place in the final is it?



No it isn't, you are dead right Jack_

[Marsh.]

She's in the final lineup. She just went out first.

No, the "final lineup" are those sitting in the house next Friday night.

[Yaki da]

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No it isn't, you are dead right Jack_

She's in the final She just went out first.

Does anyone know if there's an eviction on Monday though? That show is on at 9 PM. Wouldn't they have put tix on sale for that by now?

[Marsh.]

How will they do that though because there is no more nominations ? I hope they just open Vote To Win on Friday Helen probably wouldn't even go in a Midweek eviction it would most likely be Ash or Pav if he stays on Friday.

They all face the vote bar Helen? :shrug: I don't know.

They'll probably not have an eviction but some kind of midweek money twist or something.

[joeysteele]

But vote to win is the FINAL. if she goes out first, that's her problem. But she was in the final lineup

She isn't there on the final night, in that scenario if she went out.
That is where the free pass takes her to not out before the night of the final..

[Yaki da]

She isn't there on the final night, in that scenario if she went out.
That is where the free pass takes her to not out before the night of the final..

How do you know that's where the free pass takes her? If she's in the final lineup, she's in the final. If she gets evicted before, then she was still part of the final vote. The pass does not say she'll be there on the final night. The whole final week is... The final.

[Yaki da]

They all face the vote bar Helen? :shrug: I don't know.


I just find that extremely doubtful. You might like to see it, as Ashleigh might go in a final eviction vote over the boring men. But imagine the girl topping every popularity poll being evicted on the Monday before the vote to win opens.

Of course, they may just do a Vote to win from this Friday until next Friday, and have 6 there on the final night. That's what most people would probably want.

[Marsh.]

I just find that extremely doubtful. You might like to see it, as Ashleigh might go in a final eviction vote over the boring men. But imagine the girl topping every popularity poll being evicted on the Monday before the vote to win opens.

Of course, they may just do a Vote to win from this Friday until next Friday, and have 6 there on the final night. That's what most people would probably want.

No, I'm guessing what they could do.

You overestimate the number of sh*ts I give about the final.

[Marsh.]

How do you know that's where the free pass takes her? If she's in the final lineup, she's in the final. If she gets evicted before, then she was still part of the final vote. The pass does not say she'll be there on the final night. The whole final week is... The final.

Because it's a pass to the FINAL.

Not a place in the final week, not a place in the final lineup. THE. FINAL. Of which there is only one.

[joeysteele]

How do you know that's where the free pass takes her? If she's in the final lineup, she's in the final. If she gets evicted before, then she was still part of the final vote. The pass does not say she'll be there on the final night. The whole final week is... The final.

Because it is where all housemates who previously got a free pass to the final went to, the final night.
Even Luke S who got his pass to the final.

They have to be there for the final votes on the final night otherwise they have not been taken to the final at all.
In other words, no matter where they are placed,they have to come out of the final on the final night of the series.

[Ross.]

VTW pls

[Yaki da]

Because it's a pass to the FINAL.

Not a place in the final week, not a place in the final lineup. THE. FINAL. Of which there is only one.

Nope. The pass could just be to the final... As in it stops once the final vote starts. Show me the fine print that says exactly what it means.

[joeysteele]

Because it's a pass to the FINAL.

Not a place in the final week, not a place in the final lineup. THE. FINAL. Of which there is only one.

Well done, you said it far more briefly than I did.

[Johnnyuk123]

The final twist will be that Tamara is announced the winner for being the first voted out. :joker:

[Yaki da]

Because it is where all housemates who previously got a free pass to the final went to, the final night.
Even Luke S who got his pass to the final.

They have to be there for the final votes on the final night otherwise they have not been taken to the final at all.

If they haven't made the final night it's because they didn't have enough votes in the final vote to get there. Helen's pass took her up to the final as far as I recall. That's it.


In other words, no matter where they are placed,they have to come out of the final on the final night of the series.

Disagree.

And if the producers use that to somehow justify another eviction that leads to one of the more popular housemates going out before the Vote to win, then they will once again be pissing off the viewers.

[HBB1508]

Nope. The pass could just be to the final... As in it stops once the final vote starts. Show me the fine print that says exactly what it means.

I would agree with this, as when Helen got her pass they did say congratulations you are now a big brother finalist - so if they announce to the house this Friday after the eviction that everyone is now a finalist in big brother then I would take it that Helens pass is finished as she would then be a finalist - semantics I know but that's how I see it.

[Achilles]

Her pass takes her to the final. Leaving anytime before that final is not the "final lineup".

They said Ashleigh was immune from eviction and she was put up anyway, they put Chris up for eviction after a task that turned out to be irrelevant. They CAN turn Helen's pass to the final into pass to the final week, if they WANT TO. There would NOTHING unfair about it whatsoever, especially as it was UNFAIR for her to receive it in the first place and they have already twisted everything this series anyway.

[Yaki da]

I would agree with this, as when Helen got her pass they did say congratulations you are now a big brother finalist - so if they announce to the house this Friday after the eviction that everyone is now a finalist in big brother then I would take it that Helens pass is finished as she would then be a finalist - semantics I know but that's how I see it.

Is that what they said? I can't remember. But anyone who is involved in the final lineup in a vote to win is obviously a finalist regardless of whether they go out in a midweek vote freeze.

[Marsh.]

Nope. The pass could just be to the final... As in it stops once the final vote starts. Show me the fine print that says exactly what it means.

Because the finale is the final night. Common sense. She has a pass that means she's there from the first day to the final day.

You don't like that, but it is what it is.

[Yaki da]

Because the finale, is the final night. She has a pass that means she's there from the first day to the final day.

No, she has a pass that means she gets to the final... She is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens, regardless of whether or not she comes last and goes out on a Wednesday

[Achilles]

No, she has a pass that means she gets to the final... She is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens, regardless of whether or not she comes last and goes out on a Wednesday

Exactly.

[Marsh.]

They said Ashleigh was immune from eviction and she was put up anyway, they put Chris up for eviction after a task that turned out to be irrelevant. They CAN turn Helen's pass to the final into pass to the final week, if they WANT TO. There would NOTHING unfair about it whatsoever, especially as it was UNFAIR for her to receive it in the first place and they have already twisted everything this series anyway.

Yes, a vague mention of immunity from one eviction is the same as a "pass to the final".

[Yaki da]

Because the finale is the final night. Common sense. She has a pass that means she's there from the first day to the final day.


The final begins the moment the vote to win does. Those are the finalists. If she's there and goes out first, then she was still a finalist. That's what her pass said she was according to the poster above.

[Marsh.]

No, she has a pass that means she gets to the final... She is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens, regardless of whether or not she comes last and goes out on a Wednesday

:pat: You can't put common sense where there is none.

[Jack_]

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

[Marsh.]

The final begins the moment the vote to win does. Those are the finalists. If she's there and goes out first, then she was still a finalist. That's what her pass said she was according to the poster above.

No. The final night is Friday 15th. FRIDAY 15th August. Not Monday, not Wednesday, not tomorrow, NEXT FRIDAY.

[Yaki da]

:pat: You can't put common sense where there is none.

Okay... Seeing as I've been banned a couple of times for responding to these sort of responses, I'll just leave you to the insults.

[VanessaFeltz.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_15_(UK) Look at this: Helen, Ashleigh and Ash are finalist

[joeysteele]

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

[mrflibble]

I would agree with this, as when Helen got her pass they did say congratulations you are now a big brother finalist - so if they announce to the house this Friday after the eviction that everyone is now a finalist in big brother then I would take it that Helens pass is finished as she would then be a finalist - semantics I know but that's how I see it.
Yeah that's how I took it. If on Friday they said 'you are all finalists' it means THEY ARE ALL IN THE FINAL. They said she had a pass to the final and was a finalist, not a pass to the final night (I think). If everyone is a finalist then they are all on equal grounds and therefore she shouldn't get more specialist treatment. If they don't say they are all finalists then they can get away with it.

Either way, I agree that Ash would be first out in VTE (assuming Pav goes tomorrow)

[Marsh.]

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

:clap1:

Exactly. Regardless of when the vote opens, the finalists are all those left inside the house on the very last day.

Her pass guaranteed her to stay right until the end.

[joeysteele]

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

:cheer2: Excellent summing up again Jack_

[Achilles]

Week 10 is THE FINAL
Friday 15th is THE FINAL NIGHT
This Friday after the 2 evictions, the 6 remaining housemates have made the final.
They could evict 1 or even 2 before the final night and that wouldn't change the fact that they made the FINAL.

[Yaki da]

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

[Yaki da]

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final.

No, Big Brother finalists are those involved in the final vote. Which helen would be.

[Niamh.]

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

[Yaki da]

:clap1:

Exactly. Regardless of when the vote opens, the finalists are all those left inside the house on the very last day.

Her pass guaranteed her to stay right until the end.

No, it guaranteed she was a finalist. And the finalist is anyone involved in the final vote.

[Marsh.]

Week 10 is THE FINAL

:joker: Of course it is.

So Craig BB6, Stu BB5 both made the final did they?

They didn't have Davina evicting them 2 days beforehand?

[VanessaFeltz.]

Anyways we owe her at least 4th place.

[Josy]

I'm guessing vote to win lines will open and the one with the least votes gets evicted mid week maybe?

Obviously not including Helen because I think she will be there right up til final night because of the pass?

[Marsh.]

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

A finalist is a housemate still in the house on the final day. Hence the word "final". :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

Pardon, the Snooker final only has 2 people in it from the Saturday to the Monday and they are both obviously there until the end of Monday night when one wins and the other is a runner up.
I don't get your point as to that one I'm afraid.

Except that as a final, the people really in the final should be there until the very end.

[Yaki da]

:joker: Of course it is.

So Craig BB6, Stu BB5 both made the final did they?

They didn't have Davina evicting them 2 days beforehand?

They were both involved in the final vote. So yes, they were. They just didn't make the last night.

[Marsh.]

They were both involved in the final vote. So yes, they were. They just didn't make the last night.

No, they were evicted before the final. As Davina used to repeat a million times.

[Jack_]

Yeah that's how I took it. If on Friday they said 'you are all finalists' it means THEY ARE ALL IN THE FINAL. They said she had a pass to the final and was a finalist, not a pass to the final night (I think). If everyone is a finalist then they are all on equal grounds and therefore she shouldn't get more specialist treatment. If they don't say they are all finalists then they can get away with it.

Either way, I agree that Ash would be first out in VTE (assuming Pav goes tomorrow)

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night. Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

Actually the World Snooker Final begins on a Sunday but this is a totally useless comparison. The snooker final is a two day event, the Big Brother final is a one night event. Not a weeks long, there isn't live shows every night. It's one night. At the end of the series. Of every series. That's one thing that doesn't change. If you don't make the final night, you aren't a finalist. This isn't even up for discussion, you all know full well what a finalist is and you're just pretending you don't because you're desperate for her to leave somehow before the final show.

[Yaki da]

Pardon, the Snooker final only has 2 people in it from the Saturday to the Monday and they are both obviously there until the end of Monday night when one wins and the other is a runner up.
I don't get your point as to that one I'm afraid.

The snooker final is divided up into sessions. There is a final session, but sometimes one player has already beaten the other before they get to it. Think of final night as the final session.

Except that as a final, the people really in the final should be there until the very end.

No, they should be finalists and that's it. If they go out before the very last night, that doesn't mean they weren't part of the final vote.

[Niamh.]

A finalist is a housemate still in the house on the final day. Hence the word "final". :laugh:

Nah, I think a finalist is those who are eligible to be in the Vote to Win, it wouldn't really be fair otherwise imo :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Snooker and Big Brother are two entirely different things, worlds apart. So instead of making a useless comparison, use the actual 14 years of BB history.

[Marsh.]

Nah, I think a finalist is those who are eligible to be in the Vote to Win, it wouldn't really be fair otherwise imo :shrug:

It's not about what you think. :fist: It's about facts lady.

A finalist is there to the last night of the show. :fist:

[Jack_]

No, Big Brother finalists are those involved in the final vote. Which helen would be.

No they are not, finalists are those who are there in the BIG BROTHER FINAL. You know that live show that's listed like that on TV guides on the last day of each series? Yeah that's right it's called the final, and that's where the pass takes her. If you don't make the final show, you are NOT a finalist. You are an evictee.

As I've already said, had this pass gone to a dullard (thank God it didn't) we wouldn't be having this discussion and none of the people crying all series for her to leave before the final would have cared.

[puzzled]

Let's face it, BB doesn't care about fair, and they could come up with a new twist, or a new definition of what The Final is. Could be anything. This whole season has been off-the-wall.

[Yaki da]

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night.

They can be. And they would still be finalists because the final is about the vote to win.


Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

They would be going out because of a final vote to win and they came bottom. They were still finalists.



Actually the World Snooker Final begins on a Sunday but this is a totally useless comparison. The snooker final is a two day event, the Big Brother final is a one night event.

That's absurd. The Big Brother final begins the moment the Vote to win begins. It is the culmination of the voting. Obviously.

Not a weeks long, there isn't live shows every night. It's one night. At the end of the series. Of every series. That's one thing that doesn't change. If you don't make the final night, you aren't a finalist. This isn't even up for discussion, you all know full well what a finalist is and you're just pretending you don't because you're desperate for her to leave somehow before the final show.

The Big Brother final crowns a winner after days of voting. The final therefore begins when the voting to win begins.

[joeysteele]

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

It isn't a free pass to be a finalist though Niamh, it was a free pass to the final.

I cannot recall what happened the week after when Luke S and Conor had the chance of one getting money and the other a pass to the final.

However the outcome was that Luke S. got the pass to the final and was there right until the final night's results.
After very narrowly escaping going out the week before they did the pass to the final for one and money for the other.

[Niamh.]

It's not about what you think. :fist: It's about facts lady.

:laugh: But like, all the contestants who are in the Vote to Win are finalists, how would it be fair for her to by pass a couple of days worth of votes and beat other finalists when she's not even able to be voted out?

[Babayaro.]

I can see all of them exept from Helen being up for eviction but not knowing they are. Then a secret eviction of some sorts on Monday. Nothing will beat 2008's secret eviction though!

[mrflibble]

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night. Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.
My only issue with it is if they call them finalists and it's not the final vote. To me, the final vote is the final and all finalists are involved. It doesn't make sense otherwise. If they say 'there is one more vote before the final' then that's legit. I don't care whether the final is the final week or the final vote or the final night but everyone who is a FINALIST needs to be on the same equal grounds.

[Yaki da]

No they are not, finalists are those who are there in the BIG BROTHER FINAL. You know that live show that's listed like that on TV guides on the last day of each series? Yeah that's right it's called the final, and that's where the pass takes her. If you don't make the final show, you are NOT a finalist. You are an evictee.

If you go out first as part of a vote to win out of a final lineup, you are a finalist regardless of whether there were 12 of you or 3 of you.

As I've already said, had this pass gone to a dullard (thank God it didn't) we wouldn't be having this discussion and none of the people crying all series for her to leave before the final would have cared.

What people are concerned about is that they will not open the vote to win on Friday and have some ridiculous eviction again that leads to a popular HM who might have won being evicted.

[Marsh.]

:laugh: But like, all the contestants who are in the Vote to Win are finalists, how would it be fair for her to by pass a couple of days worth of votes and beat other finalists when she's not even able to be voted out?

That's why I said if there is a midweek eviction then it can't be a vote to win excluding Helen as it doesn't make any sense. :laugh:

But channel 5 have completely disregarded 99% of BB law so. :shrug: I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[joeysteele]

:laugh: But like, all the contestants who are in the Vote to Win are finalists, how would it be fair for her to by pass a couple of days worth of votes and beat other finalists when she's not even able to be voted out?

I also think in the last series,secrets and lies, they did an eviction before the day of the final but the housemates had been told they were finalists when they really weren't, hence an eviction before the day of the final.

[HBB1508]

So I wonder how they are going to work it if they open the VTW lines after the eviction on Friday - if they then freeze the lines for a mid week eviction then carry over the other votes then Helen will be at a massive disadvantage if no one can vote for her for the first few days - not sure how that will work.

[MB.]

Helen wouldn't finish last in a vote to win with this line-up anyway, so this whole argument has been kinda pointless :thumbs:

[Yaki da]

So I wonder how they are going to work it if they open the VTW lines after the eviction on Friday - if they then freeze the lines for a mid week eviction then carry over the other votes then Helen will be at a massive disadvantage if no one can vote for her for the first few days - not sure how that will work.

Not really. The vote to win is the start of the final... She is at that point a finalist... so her free pass has taken her to the final. That's all it was going to do. From that point onwards, it's up to the public whether or not she actually makes the very last night.

[Niamh.]

That's why I said if there is a midweek eviction then it can't be a vote to win excluding Helen as it doesn't make any sense. :laugh:

But channel 5 have completely disregarded 99% of BB law so. :shrug: I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Ah ok, I'm so confused :bawling:

I also think in the last series,secrets and lies, they did an eviction before the day of the final but the housemates had been told they were finalists when they really weren't, hence an eviction before the day of the final.

If it were an eviction then that would make more sense, she just has to be involved from the start in a Vote to Win

[mrflibble]

So I wonder how they are going to work it if they open the VTW lines after the eviction on Friday - if they then freeze the lines for a mid week eviction then carry over the other votes then Helen will be at a massive disadvantage if no one can vote for her for the first few days - not sure how that will work.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Only in a VTE would she have the advantage and that wouldn't be the final vote. So there must be a final VTE or something over the weekend.

[Yaki da]

That's why I said if there is a midweek eviction then it can't be a vote to win excluding Helen as it doesn't make any sense. :laugh:

But channel 5 have completely disregarded 99% of BB law so. :shrug: I wouldn't be surprised either way.

She'd still be a finalist. I don't recall them saying she would be there on the last night. She had a free pass up to... The final. The final begins when the vote to win starts. That's what her pass was up to.

[Marsh.]

If it were an eviction then that would make more sense, she just has to be involved from the start in a Vote to Win

That's it. They'd have to have an eviction vote but then some people said they don't like having less than a week to vote for the winner. :shrug:

I don't think it makes much of a difference these days with a much smaller viewership.

[Yaki da]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Only in a VTE would she have the advantage and that wouldn't be the final vote. So there must be a final VTE or something over the weekend.

Not at all. And if there is there will be outrage, because someone like Ashleigh could go out over the boring men in such a vote.

Her free pass took her to the final. The final begins when the vote to win which culminates on the last night, begins. If she doesn't make the last night, it's because in the final vote she didn't get enough votes.

[Marsh.]

So therefore, the final vote should begin AFTER the final eviction. Whether a final eviction sees your favourite out or not, which as it stands it's not very likely Ashleigh would go.

[Niamh.]

That's it. They'd have to have an eviction vote but then some people said they don't like having less than a week to vote for the winner. :shrug:

I don't think it makes much of a difference these days with a much smaller viewership.

I would prefer this Eviction on Friday to be the last tbh, we're getting rid of two of them so we could have all the rest as finalists and a proper length of time for voting as well

[Yaki da]

So therefore, the final vote should begin AFTER the final eviction.

The final begins when the final vote begins. If Stuart was a part of the final vote in BB5 then he was a finalist. It's just a vote freeze took him out before the last night. He was not voted out, he was just the person with the fewest votes out of the final vote.

Helen's free pass was to take her to the final. If they have a midweek eviction, and she goes out, it's because as a finalist, she didn't get enough votes to make the last night.

And if they do use what you're saying as some justification for another eviction that takes out a potential winner, they will just cause outrage all over again.

[Jack_]

Marsh also raised a good point in that Davina (and Brian and Emma) have always said during midweek evictions before the final that 'someone's going to be evicted two/three days before the final...sucks doesn't it' or words to that effect. That's the whole point of those evictions, to have the evictee just miss out on a place in the final. If you are evicted before the final night, you are NOT a finalist.

I'm done here. It's an objective fact and not a discussion, this is only happening because people are desperate for Helen to leave before the final and have been all series and just want to find a reason to justify it. You all know full well what a finalist is and it's the people that are there on the final night. Citing being a part of a vote to win as a reason for being a finalist is ridiculous since a vote to win is just a vote to save renamed, you're voting to keep people in the house as long as possible on the final night so that they stand a chance of being the last one standing to be crowned the winner. If a midweek eviction happens you're voting to save them from not being a part of it and missing out on a place in the final. It's the same thing, a vote to win is a vote to save. I didn't see any of you calling all of the housemates throughout BB12 and 13 and all the C5 celebrity series finalists from day one? Because by that logic that's what they were.

This is a ridiculous discussion that only has one answer and the other side of it is going to go round and round in circles because people hate Helen, that's all there is to it. If she leaves before the final night, she wasn't a finalist and therefore her pass failed. That's all there is to it.

:laugh: But like, all the contestants who are in the Vote to Win are finalists, how would it be fair for her to by pass a couple of days worth of votes and beat other finalists when she's not even able to be voted out?

It wouldn't be, hence why I said on the first page that I hope they aren't doing a midweek eviction since if she was evicted her pass would've been a lie and obviously they couldn't make her immune from it since that would be unfair. If they want a midweek eviction it has to be a vote to evict with her excluded as usual. But I don't want that since that's not enough time for a vote to win. If they open the VTW lines then there should not be a midweek eviction.

[Marsh.]

I would prefer this Eviction on Friday to be the last tbh, we're getting rid of two of them so we could have all the rest as finalists and a proper length of time for voting as well

Yeah, I hate these large finals on C5. I like it being whittled down to 4 or 5. But on this occasion it seems the fairest way, they've twisted themselves to buggery this series.

[mrflibble]

Not at all. And if there is there will be outrage, because someone like Ashleigh could go out over the boring men in such a vote.

Her free pass took her to the final. The final begins when the vote to win which culminates on the last night, begins. If she doesn't make the last night, it's because in the final vote she didn't get enough votes.
What I meant was if they started a VTW without Helen, froze it on Monday to evict someone and then reopened it with Helen for the final night then she would be at a massive disadvantage because she would lose 3 days of votes.

And yes I agree that the final is what is at the end of the final vote which means that if there is another eviction it can't be an eviction with the finalists (which would mean Helen is the only finalist on Friday, if there's a separate eviction).

[Marsh.]

The final begins when the final vote begins. If Stuart was a part of the final vote in BB5 then he was a finalist. It's just a vote freeze took him out before the last night. He was not voted out, he was just the person with the fewest votes out of the final vote.

Helen's free pass was to take her to the final. If they have a midweek eviction, and she goes out, it's because as a finalist, she didn't get enough votes to make the last night.

And if they do use what you're saying as some justification for another eviction that takes out a potential winner, they will just cause outrage all over again.

Which is what YOU think. The show itself states differently.

During Stu's eviction, Davina would stress how unlucky and "evil" it was for him to miss out on a finale place.

You can be pedantic over wording all you like simply because it's Helen.

[Yaki da]

Marsh also raised a good point in that Davina (and Brian and Emma) have always said during midweek evictions before the final that 'someone's going to be evicted two/three days before the final...sucks doesn't it' or words to that effect. That's the whole point of those evictions, to have the evictee just miss out on a place in the final. If you are evicted before the final night, you are NOT a finalist.

Yes you are. You are a finalist if you are part of the final vote.

I'm done here. It's an objective fact and not a discussion, this is only happening because people are desperate for Helen to leave before the final and have been all series and just want to find a reason to justify it.

Actually, it's not an objective fact at all. Hence the reason it's in dispute. What some are concerned about is them using this to justify something that takes out the potential winner before a vote to win.



You all know full well what a finalist is

Yes, someone who was part of the final vote to win.

and it's the people that are there on the final night.

No, it is not. The final of different events can go on for Days. But it begins on the first night.


Citing being a part of a vote to win as a reason for being a finalist is ridiculous since a vote to win is just a vote to save renamed

No it's not. The vote freezes and the votes to win remain counted. If they re-started the vote, you would have a point, but you don't.


you're voting to keep people in the house as long as possible on the final night so that they stand a chance of being the last one standing to be crowned the winner. If a midweek eviction happens you're voting to save them from not being a part of it and missing out on a place in the final.

No, when a vote to win starts you are voting for someone to win. That is an objective fact. And if you're a part of that vote to win then you are a finalist.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I hate these large finals on C5. I like it being whittled down to 4 or 5. But on this occasion it seems the fairest way, they've twisted themselves to buggery this series.

Yeah definitely, I think more than any other year this Power thing has been probably the toughest and most mind ****-y whoever is left after Friday should be a finalist imo

[Yaki da]

Which is what YOU think. The show itself states differently.

During Stu's eviction, Davina would stress how unlucky and "evil" it was for him to miss out on a finale place.

So what? She used the wrong wording. Some presenters still say "up for nomination". He was part of a final vote that began on the Friday and led to him leaving on Wednesday. That same vote was frozen and re-opened afterwards. He was there fore part of a final vote with Nadia, Jason, Dan and Shell.

[Marsh.]

So what? She used the wrong wording.

:joker: She used the wrong wording for 11 years, Brian for 2 and Emma for 1 and now that Helen has a pass to the final we're finally correcting them all.

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

So what? She used the wrong wording. Some presenters still say "up for nomination". He was part of a final vote that began on the Friday and led to him leaving on Wednesday. That same vote was frozen and re-opened afterwards. He was there fore part of a final vote with Nadia, Jason, Dan and Shell.

The "final vote" was actually Nadia vs Jason.

[Yaki da]

:joker: She used the wrong wording for 11 years, Brian for 2 and Emma for 1 and now that Helen has a pass to the final we're finally correcting them all.

:laugh2:

As I said, presenters are still saying "Up for nomination" to this day.

But no one in that time has ever defined what a pass to the final actually meant. The final begins, as far as I'm concerned, when the vote to win begins. It then goes on for however many days it goes on.

And did that free pass mean up to the final... Or did it mean she was in the final. No one has clarified any of this.

[Marsh.]

Presenters have only started saying "up for nomination" recently. The same time that the whole concept of BB has completely gone tits up on C5.

I'm no longer arguing about FACTS. The final is Friday 15th August. Anyone evicted before that date is not in the final, nor a finalist.

[Yaki da]

The "final vote" was actually Nadia vs Jason.

Don't be silly. Only true if they re-started after every freeze. Every vote cast counted towards Nadia winning including those that began on the days before.

[Marsh.]

Don't be silly. Only true if they re-started after every freeze. Every vote cast counted towards Nadia winning including those that began on the days before.

I'm not being silly, I'm being pedantic. Isn't that what this whole discussion is?

[Yaki da]

Presenters have only started saying "up for nomination" recently.

I'm no longer arguing about FACTS. The final is Friday 15th August. Anyone evicted before that date is not in the final, nor a finalist.

Anyone involved in a vote to win is a finalist. The game is determind by a public vote and anyone involved in the final public vote is a finalist.

The question is whether or not they are going to open the lines on Friday and give them all a fair shot. Or whether there is going to be some absurd twist that leads to a potential winner being evicted during the week. Just to piss the viewers off one last time.

[Achilles]

BB gave Helen the pass. They can call the pass whatever they like. They can label whatever they like. There is nothing to stop them opening the VTW lines on Friday if they WANT to.

[bots]

All semantics

If the vote to win lines are opened, then the final has begun. So it lasts from the point the phone lines are opened until the winner is announced.

If 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 fall before the last minute of the voting, be it on a monday, a wednesday or a friday, its still the final.

By some peoples logic, the final is where the winner is announced, which can't be correct, therefore it must span the length of the voting period. Simple :smug:

[Yaki da]

I'm not being silly, I'm being pedantic. Isn't that what this whole discussion is?

The discussion was meant to be about whether or not they will do some God awful twist on Friday and have another eviction rather than just do the Vote To Win like most people want them to.

[Achilles]

If the vote to win lines are opened, then the final has begun.

Exactly

[Yaki da]

All semantics

If the vote to win lines are opened, then the final has begun. So it lasts from the point the phone lines are opened until the winner is announced.

If 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 fall before the last minute of the voting, be it on a monday, a wednesday or a friday, its still thefinal.

By some peoples logic, the final is where the winner is announced, which can't be correct, therefore it mast span the length of the voting period. Simple :smug:

I agree. The moment the vote to win starts, they are finalists.

[Marsh.]

Well Helen's pass has been described as both "a finalist" and a "pass to the final".

So she should be there for when the vote to win opens and also on the final night.

Therefore whenever that vote to win opens, nobody can leave until the last night. THE FINAL.

If they want an eviction prior to that, it must be that, an eviction and an entirely separate vote. However, Helen cannot be included in this vote as a "finalist" who holds a "pass to the final".

[Achilles]

Week 10 is the final week, the FINAL for short.
Friday 15th is the final night, the FINAL for short.

[Achilles]

Well Helen's pass has been described as both "a finalist" and a "pass to the final".

So she should be there for when the vote to win opens and also on the final night.

Therefore whenever that vote to win opens, nobody can leave until the last night. THE FINAL.

If they want an eviction prior to that, it must be that, an eviction and an entirely separate vote.

The pass doesn't dictate what decisions BB makes. They gave her the pass. They could remove it if they wanted to. They could give it to someone else if they wanted to.

[Marsh.]

The pass doesn't dictate what decisions BB makes. They gave her the pass. They could remove it if they wanted to. They could give it to someone else if they wanted to.

We're working under the assumption her pass is still in place, which it is. As long as it stays in place, the rules I stated are in place.

Nobody has mentioned removing her pass. Removing it two days before the final would be rather pointless considering the myriad of twists they could've done with it weeks ago.

[Achilles]

Helen's pass = immunity from all votes to evict until the vote to win lines open.
Pass to the final. They didn't specify final night, the main purpose of the pass was to give her immunity from all evictions before the vote to win lines open.

[Yaki da]

Well Helen's pass has been described as both "a finalist" and a "pass to the final".

So she should be there for when the vote to win opens and also on the final night.

Nope. She should be there to when the final begins. Which is when the vote to win begins. That's it.


If they want an eviction prior to that, it must be that, an eviction and an entirely separate vote. However, Helen cannot be included in this vote as a "finalist" who holds a "pass to the final".

Nope, it can be the person with the fewest votes to go. Helen was still a finalist. and that's what her free pass took her up to being.

Look, I just want them to open the vote to win and have no more evictions until Friday. I just don't want some final twist revolving around this issue taking out a potential winner. It would be ridiculous.

[Yaki da]

We're working under the assumption her pass is still in place, which it is. As long as it stays in place, the rules I stated are in place.

Nobody has mentioned removing her pass. Removing it two days before the final would be rather pointless considering the myriad of twists they could've done with it weeks ago.

The final starts when the vote to win starts. That's what her free pass took her up to. From that point, it's up to her supporters. If she goes out in a midweek vote freeze, she was still a part of the final which is what her pass took her to.

And again, I just want a vote to win with no midweek vote freeze. I am sick of the twists and extra eviction taking out people who most of us now just want to get on with voting to win.

[Marsh.]

The final starts when the vote to win starts. That's what her free pass took her up to. From that point, it's up to her supporters. If she goes out in a midweek vote freeze, she was still a part of the final which is what her pass took her to.

Wrong.

[Yaki da]

Wrong.

Yes, you are.

[AbbieJ]

Helen is in the final, you know the night when the winner is announced? :facepalm:

[Yaki da]

I hope the producers are reading this thread and recognize the correct thing to do...

Open the vote to win on Friday and have all 6 there for the final night. It's the easiest way to avoid any further complaints.

[Yaki da]

Helen is in the final, you know the night when the winner is announced? :facepalm:

Nope. The final is when the vote for the winner begins.

[AbbieJ]

Nope. The final is when the vote for the winner begins.

Ohhhh well thats me told. :facepalm: :joker:

[Yaki da]

Ohhhh well thats me told. :facepalm: :joker:

Well, you've come in a bit late. I think we're all knackered discussing it.

But anyway, I'm just hoping they don't do some other twist that leads to a favourite getting evicted before a VTW opens. Open the VTW on Friday and have all 6 there the next Friday.

[AbbieJ]

Well, you've come in a bit late. I think we're all knackered discussing it.

But anyway, I'm just hoping they don't do some other twist that leads to a favourite getting evicted before a VTW opens. Open the VTW on Friday and have all 6 there the next Friday.

Sorry :idc: yes I agree :)

[Achilles]

Emma Willis hosts the first of two live launch shows, as a new set of housemates enter the House. One night.
Emma Willis hosts the second part of the live launch show. Another night.

The final is not specific to one night.

FINAL can include FINAL WEEK and FINAL NIGHT. Together they are referred to as "THE FINAL"

[Marsh.]

Emma: Whoever Pauline chooses will go from here all the way to the end.

The end = Next Friday.

The end.

[Yaki da]

Emma: Whoever Pauline chooses will go from here all the way to the end.

The end = Next Friday.

The end.

The vote to win is the beginning of the end

[Achilles]

Emma: Whoever Pauline chooses will go from here all the way to the end.

The end = Next Friday.

The end.

Did she make that decision on the live launch?

[Marsh.]

Emma Willis hosts the first of two live launch shows, as a new set of housemates enter the House. One night.
Emma Willis hosts the second part of the live launch show. Another night.

The final is not specific to one night.

FINAL can include FINAL WEEK and FINAL NIGHT. Together they are referred to as "THE FINAL"

Clutching at straws now. Two launches only started last year and the TV guide, the description labels both shows as launch shows.

The only episode labelled "Big Brother: The Live Final" will be next Friday.

If there is an eviction prior to that it will be labelled like all the others "Big Brother: Live Eviction".

[Marsh.]

Did she make that decision on the live launch?

Yes, as the show, the tv guide, the press release all labelled it as the launch part 2.

The only show labelled the Big Brother Final will air on Friday 15th August.

[Yaki da]

Clutching at straws now. Two launches only started last year and the TV guide, the description labels both shows as launch shows.

The only episode labelled "Big Brother: The Live Final" will be next Friday.

If there is an eviction prior to that it will be labelled like all the others "Big Brother: Live Eviction".

The live final episode. The final begins when the vote which culminates in that episode begins however.

[Marsh.]

The vote to win is the beginning of the end

The end is the end, not the beginning of the end, not the middle of the end. The end. :laugh:

Therefore they can't open the vote to win unless every housemate who remains after tomorrow can stay until next Friday.

[bots]

I hope they do start knocking the lowest votes out first cause with a bit of luck my least favourites votes wont start coming in until the friday - i can but hope :laugh:

[Marsh.]

The live final episode. The final begins when the vote which culminates in that episode begins however.

Achilles brought up the TV guide description as a means of argument, so therefore if we follow that then next Friday is the only Final.

[Yaki da]

Achilles brought up the TV guide description as a means of argument, so therefore if we follow that then next Friday is the only Final.

The TV guide said Friday the 15th was an eviction 2 nights ago.

[Marsh.]

The live final episode.

Nope. The Live Final. Just that. Big Brother - The Live Final.

I'll leave you to your argument against facts.

[Achilles]

Final night is the END OF THE FINAL. The culmination of the final. Final night. Final night can be broken down into 2 parts as well if they split it. Then final night part 2 can be broken down further in final part of the final night of the final week of the final :tongue:

[Marsh.]

The TV guide said Friday the 15th was an eviction 2 nights ago.

Because channel 5 have only just confirmed when the final will air and CBB will launch. The TV guide is not psychic.

[Yaki da]

The end is the end, not the beginning of the end, not the middle of the end. The end. :laugh:

Well, she won't be there at the very end unless she wins.

Therefore they can't open the vote to win unless every housemate who remains after tomorrow can stay until next Friday.

Of course they can. She got to the end of the eviction voting process and made it to a vote to win. Aka the final. :dance:

But with any luck, these people will just let all 6 be there at the last night

[Marsh.]

Final night is the END OF THE FINAL. The culmination of the final. Final night. Final night can be broken down into 2 parts as well if they split it. Then final night part 2 can be broken down further in final part of the final night of the final week of the final :tongue:

You brought the TV labels in as an argument. They proved you wrong.

[Yaki da]

I see Digital Spy has started discussing this hours later than us.

[Macie Lightfoot]

this might be the worst argument in forum history.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Helen is going to get that freaking 5th place end of the story.

[joeysteele]

Presenters have only started saying "up for nomination" recently. The same time that the whole concept of BB has completely gone tits up on C5.

I'm no longer arguing about FACTS. The final is Friday 15th August. Anyone evicted before that date is not in the final, nor a finalist.

I cannot believe this is still going, really well said Marsh and you are 100% correct in my view.
That is all my thinking on this too.

[Yaki da]

[/B]
I cannot believe this is still going, really well said Marsh and you are 100% correct in my view.
That is all my thinking on this too.

Yes, but you're wrong. The final starts when vote to win starts. Obviously.

[Yaki da]

this might be the worst argument in forum history.

Actually it's the most important argument to be had if there is going to be a midweek eviction next week.

It may well end up just being a vote to win with 6 in the final next Friday. But imagine them doing a vote to evict with everyone but Helen and Ashleigh, the girl topping every popularity poll going. People wouldn't even have got a chance to vote for the person who most wanted to win.

There needs to be some discussion about this on forums before they just spring such a decision on the viewers.

[erinp5]

I think there will be a mid week eviction before the final next Friday 15th August.
CBB starts 18th August .

[Cal.]

I think they'll do an eviction on Wednesday 13th, and then have 5 in the final.

I'm predicting Pav and Mark to go this Friday and then Wednesday either Ash or Chris will lose out on the final.

[smudgie]

Ok, is it just me being daft but don't they normally put them ALLup at least once before the final..no need for nominations if this is the case.:shrug:

[joeysteele]

Yes, but you're wrong. The final starts when vote to win starts. Obviously.

The final starts but that isn't the final,the final is the last day,the end of the series.
The final week is not the final, the final is the last day,the final day,when 5 or 6 housemates will be called out in the order they have been voted to.

The final shouldn't begin until the final housemates are in place.

[Yaki da]

The final starts but that isn't the final,the final is the last day,the end of the series.

Nope, the final is the moment the proceedings begin. You're talking about the culmination of the final.


The final week is not the final, the final is the last day,the final day,when 5 or 6 housemates will be called out in the order they have been voted to.

The final shouldn't begin until the final housemates are in place.

The final housemates are in place when a vote to win starts.

[Yaki da]

Ok, is it just me being daft but don't they normally put them ALLup at least once before the final..no need for nominations if this is the case.:shrug:

No. They didn't last year.

[Yaki da]

I think there will be a mid week eviction before the final next Friday 15th August.
CBB starts 18th August .

I don't. I hope not anyway. There were 6 left for the last night for the celebrity series earlier this year.

And again, I'm just trying to get people to imagine the farce of there being another vote to evict that could lead to someone like Ashleigh going before a vote to win starts.

But it would not be going against the idea of someone having a free pass to the final if they did not make the last night imo. The free pass is up to when the final begins which is obviously when the vote to win begins.

[Marsh.]

I see Digital Spy has started discussing this hours later than us.

They've always been the poor man's TiBB even before TiBB started. :idc:

[bots]

Emma: Whoever Pauline chooses will go from here all the way to the end.

The end = Next Friday.

The end.

If we are being pedantic then the end is when the winner is chosen which would mean Helen is the winner already :dance:

[JPG2502]

I very much doubt she would get the least votes to win if the VTW is opened Friday, so she is in the final regardless

[Marsh.]

If we are being pedantic

Yes you are.

[mkbb]

There will be a final round of nominations or the return of PH or something, it wont be vote to win yet.

[Yaki da]

There will be a final round of nominations or the return of PH or something, it wont be vote to win yet.

And why not? They said they would be nominating for the last time this week. They could do some bollocks with ex-HMs or friends and family I suppose.

But if they don't open the lines for vote to win and only give us a few days when they do eventually, so they can manipulate the result with a couple of carefully edited HL shows, that will be the last straw for BB for me.

[Yaki da]

I'm thinking of start a petition for no more twists and for them to open the vote to win.

We know how well those work.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Just voted for Mark, can't find Winston number to vote for him

[JoshBB]

They've twisted and turned so much series I don't think is much of an issue if they adjust pass to the final to become pass to the final week, VTW.

They might actually want her evicted midweek so they can have a big interview with her by herself.

If it's Vote to Save then I can't see her going. It would be Ash probably.