Helen has controlled everything and 'made' this series?

[jet]

I've seen this said and I say BS.
Helen hasn't controlled anything. She has no control, for if she had surely she would have made sure that Ashleigh wasn't a fave for the win; and that Christopher and Chris would have been evicted.
Helen has been nothing but an idiot and a fool who has handed those she doesn't like a pass to the final on a plate, and she was the one with the free pass. How ironic is that?
Without her in there nobody can say it would have been a bad series, because we can't possibly know that. IMO, it would have been better because no series should revolve around one person, and especially not one as utterly horrible as Helen. BB capitalized on her ugly nature by making sure her nastiness and vileness was given a top spot at the expense of the other HM's interacting and having fun. And she was good value for it and it serves her right for being such a vile cow.
The 'good guys' controlled Helen, not the other way around - and THAT is what made the show. Without Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, Helen would have had a coven sitting around her afraid to say boo and she would never have had a reason to go haywire because she would have been sitting there all smug and self satisfied and acting the Queen Bee. She'd be sitting there with the brain - dead lads giggling and sneering and talking sex and God knows what other s*****. Riveting stuff, if that's what some want.
Added to that she has been the reason her friends Tamara and Winston were evicted before their time. She's the kiss of death, a bloody jinx.
She's been the biggest idiot ever to walk through the BB doors. Hasn't she done well?

[Marsh.]

Without Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, Helen would have had a coven sitting around her afraid to say boo

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[jet]

:laugh2:

If that's all you can manage, then...pffft.

[Creggle]

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[billy123]

:facepalm:

[jet]

:facepalm:

Your counter - argument is impressive. :hehe:

[Dollface]

Your counter - argument is impressive. :hehe:

They're speechless :hehe:

[billy123]

They're speechless :hehe:No get it right we are just replying in the style of jet. :facepalm:

:joker:

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

:laugh:

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:joker:

#BURN

[Ammi]

...I think in a way she has 'controlled' as in 'subdued' and that for her 'friends' has been a double edged thing...it's allowed people to 'hide' and coast along under the radar more but that's not ultimately necessarily a good thing as maybe it's given us an inaccurate opinion of their personalities...Ash for me is the biggest example of that...if others hadn't been there..her 'targets' then I don't think she would have sat around all smug because I just think that it's in her negative character to create those 'targets' anyway and it would have always been just someone else..she's just such a negative person/strips the positive out of anything and everyone because she projects so much negativity around her/how she feels about herself/her life etc is what she projects on others because she almost 'begrudges' anything positive in them and therefore sees it as false....she's only ever mostly really been seen as laughing or having a good time when it's been at the expense of someone else...anyway, she hasn't 'made' the series, no one person has..no one person ever does, it's a game of many characters each in a way equally important....

[Achilles]

I would have enjoyed 2 months of Big Brother more without a Helen on my screen.

[Northern Monkey]

She cast a dark cloud over the house this series.She should have been a 1 - 2 weeker imo.Good value for a week or two(half way point at most) but then out to let the series thrive and the real characters come out.She has been negative and tedious.

[JTM45]

She's been the absolute worst thing about this year's BB, and that's saying something with the competition she's had!

She's a lowlife now , always has been, always will be!:shrug:

[Johnnyuk123]

She's been the absolute worst thing about this year's BB, and that's saying something with the competition she's had!

She's a lowlife now , always has been, always will be!:shrug:

This 100% :clap1:

[user104658]

Literally the only thing that could have been worse, is if there had been a different first power housemate and Pauline had been given the pass to the final. That would have been unwatchable.

As it stands do, yes, Helen has completely dominated the series - but that is a complete negative.

[bots]

The thing is, what this series has highlighted is that it really doesn't matter how extreme characters are, how much things are manipulated, it always gets back to an equilibrium at some point. We now have 2 in the good camp, 2 in the evil camp, and 2 floaters

[rionablue]

I couldn't stand Helen for the first few weeks then I asked myself why was she so vile and aggressive and foul mouthed then little by little in tiny moments on the highlights show I saw a softer side to her like when she was with Ash or when she cried when Steven left. I feel Helen has been hurt in the past and the wall she has built around her emotions has made her tough and hard.

I began to warm a little towards her and give her the benefit of the doubt. Before anyone jumps down my throat I do believe she has been bitter and argumentative and I guess in general not a very nice housemate but she is nearer the top of my list of who is left than the bottom and anyone can see from the list of my housemates at the start that is a big turnaround as she was firmly at the bottom for a long time. I am willing to give her a chance and hope that she sorts out her anger issues and perhaps have a lifelong friendship with Ash

By the way in response to your post OP I don't think she made the series but I am still glad she was a housemate. I was totally sick of the happy happy house the year the awful Katreya was in and the dreadful Rachel won

[Ammi]

..(just a little afterthought with the 'control'..)...Mark said last night that he felt Helen 'had his back' as in she looked out for him/was a 'good' friend etc...the thing about that is and the thing about Helen is she doesn't 'defend' her friends, she 'excuses' them regardless of every and any situation and their part played in it...and so she stops herself from 'looking and listening' all the time/she 'stunts' herself...I think maybe some people were happy to have that in the house/to have a Helen in the house 'fighting their corner' and so many things have been missed by them which is why they're now in complete confusion as to why the public are voting their 'clique' out/they really don't get it at all...the others..the 'outsiders' have looked more at every situation and judged those situations with eyes and ears and have defended when they felt it was right but not 'excused' when they felt someone, even a 'friend' wasn't in the right...and it is a control Jet..you're right...it's a very negative control because Helen doesn't see things objectively but only 'judges' things and people in terms of her personal likes and dislikes of them and those likes and dislikes come from whether they themselves 'excuse' her which people like Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris haven't....

[Ammi]

I couldn't stand Helen for the first few weeks then I asked myself why was she so vile and aggressive and foul mouthed then little by little in tiny moments on the highlights show I saw a softer side to her like when she was with Ash or when she cried when Steven left. I feel Helen has been hurt in the past and the wall she has built around her emotions has made her tough and hard.
I began to warm a little towards her and give her the benefit of the doubt. Before anyone jumps down my throat I do believe she has been bitter and argumentative and I guess in general not a very nice housemate but she is nearer the top of my list of who is left than the bottom and anyone can see from the list of my housemates at the start that is a big turnaround as she was firmly at the bottom for a long time. I am willing to give her a chance and hope that she sorts out her anger issues and perhaps have a lifelong friendship with Ash

By the way in response to your post OP I don't think she made the series but I am still glad she was a housemate. I was totally sick of the happy happy house the year the awful Katreya was in and the dreadful Rachel won

..it's funny really Riona because I'm almost the complete opposite...I had all of those sympathies and empathies at the beginning and tried to 'look beyond' her behaviour as to why she reacts the way she does...but then 'understanding' it doesn't change it or the results of it or the effects on the people she dislikes and 'targets'...the people at the end of her wrath which is guised as 'honesty'...and all of the housemates and indeed all of us also have a past/experiences that make us what we are...and no such allowances would be made for any of us and no such allowances are made for any other housemate in the same way so it's a bit like bringing her past in as a negative and judging her on it..?...if it's to be left out of the house..(which is right..)..then it has to be completely left out with no allowances either..that was my thought process anyway....

[rusticgal]

She's been the absolute worst thing about this year's BB, and that's saying something with the competition she's had!

She's a lowlife now , always has been, always will be!:shrug:

I agree. I am not going to commend her on making this series because without others she is nothing.
OP is right...she has controlled it... Her bully boy tactics created a gang led by her. Her little lapdogs should be ashamed of themselves. It would have been nice to see other people shine rather than be under the control and influence of Helen. Had she not had that pass we would have had the opportunity to see that because people like Helen don't last long.
However...like two years ago...good overcame evil and this year it's happened again :cheer2:

[joeysteele]

I couldn't stand Helen for the first few weeks then I asked myself why was she so vile and aggressive and foul mouthed then little by little in tiny moments on the highlights show I saw a softer side to her like when she was with Ash or when she cried when Steven left. I feel Helen has been hurt in the past and the wall she has built around her emotions has made her tough and hard.

I began to warm a little towards her and give her the benefit of the doubt. Before anyone jumps down my throat I do believe she has been bitter and argumentative and I guess in general not a very nice housemate but she is nearer the top of my list of who is left than the bottom and anyone can see from the list of my housemates at the start that is a big turnaround as she was firmly at the bottom for a long time. I am willing to give her a chance and hope that she sorts out her anger issues and perhaps have a lifelong friendship with Ash

By the way in response to your post OP I don't think she made the series but I am still glad she was a housemate. I was totally sick of the happy happy house the year the awful Katreya was in and the dreadful Rachel won

The same with me.
Ashleigh was in my top 5 of housemates and Helen my 15th of 16 in the early weeks.
Then I looked for better in Helen and saw quite a bit too so gave her the credit for that.
She is not all bad just as Ashleigh is not all good in my opinion.

I also believe she would be a loyal friend to those she comes to feel she can trust.
She has a lot of complex issues and things she needs to see as to herself but I have seen her be a good friend to those she has come to trust and feel closer to.

Those she doesn't trust and doesn't like are also left in no doubt that's what she thinks as to them and I prefer that too in people.

For me she has been a major part of this series all the way through.

[Tip]

I imagine what may have happened if Toya or Pauline or Mark perhaps had been given the free pass.

I'm pretty sure the series could have been "made" if Helen had left early on and someone else was there to drive most of us crazy (with irritation).

[MrWong]

..(just a little afterthought with the 'control'..)...Mark said last night that he felt Helen 'had his back' as in she looked out for him/was a 'good' friend etc...the thing about that is and the thing about Helen is she doesn't 'defend' her friends, she 'excuses' them regardless of every and any situation and their part played in it...and so she stops herself from 'looking and listening' all the time/she 'stunts' herself...I think maybe some people were happy to have that in the house/to have a Helen in the house 'fighting their corner' and so many things have been missed by them which is why they're now in complete confusion as to why the public are voting their 'clique' out/they really don't get it at all...the others..the 'outsiders' have looked more at every situation and judged those situations with eyes and ears and have defended when they felt it was right but not 'excused' when they felt someone, even a 'friend' wasn't in the right...and it is a control Jet..you're right...it's a very negative control because Helen doesn't see things objectively but only 'judges' things and people in terms of her personal likes and dislikes of them and those likes and dislikes come from whether they themselves 'excuse' her which people like Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris haven't....

Great post Ammi. Especially the part in bold.

[poppsywoppsy]

Helen has been tedious watching, her whole time was wasted looking for slights she could argue about. Whether she was controlled or out and out screeching, it was all about her perceptions of others failings when holding up her hands for hers resulted in others not responding as they should. "I said I was this or that" was her way of absolving her faults without her being made aware as she made others feel.

Her only discipline was warnings which she kept quiet about but even then sat there character assassinating everybody not in her coven.

If you call that entertaining, I don't. Her malevolent character just made others walk on eggshells around her. Ash didn't have an opinion different from her, Winston sat there giggling and Mark was her eyes and ears knowing what was happening in the other camp.

If there is a next time, I hope they all get a fair chance of being themselves without fearing the wrath of an anger riddled harpie screaming at them for every and any reason she imagines.

I can't wait to see the back of her because I don't find bullying entertaining.

[Ammi]

The same with me.
Ashleigh was in my top 5 of housemates and Helen my 15th of 16 in the early weeks.
Then I looked for better in Helen and saw quite a bit too so gave her the credit for that.
She is not all bad just as Ashleigh is not all good in my opinion.

I also believe she would be a loyal friend to those she comes to feel she can trust.
She has a lot of complex issues and things she needs to see as to herself but I have seen her be a good friend to those she has come to trust and feel closer to.

Those she doesn't trust and doesn't like are also left in no doubt that's what she thinks as to them and I prefer that too in people.

For me she has been a major part of this series all the way through.

..I think for me Joey, it's that it's a 'blind trust' in that even the people she trusts aren't necessarily worthy of that trust ..it's the differentiating between 'defending' and 'excusing'...although it's an extreme analogy, it's that thing/dilemma etc of would we 'defend accused of something/a crime..'...or would we before we reached that place of defence, have to be sure they didn't actually commit that crime and then decide..?..I know that's extreme but it's still the basis of what Helen does...she stops 'seeing and hearing' and only focus on defence which then becomes excusing in a lot of situations in the house...one of the best examples I think of how she perceives things and then acts on them was when she heard the conversation between Ashleigh and Chris and only 'heard' the negative..there was negative, yes but there was also positive in a way of explaining how far they thought she had come...but I feel the same as Chris said last night on the night before in that he feels as though he's regressed right back to his first thoughts of her because it's all Helen's typical behaviour pattern which she has to somehow start her 'journey' to try and break..even when she reflects or is forced to reflect by warnings etc from BB..I think her tears a genuine..?..but I think they're genuine in being shocked even at her own behaviour/reactions unless they're presented as 'evidence' that she can't deny but the tears aren't genuine because she's reflected on what that person who she said those things to/about did or said and whether they deserved her venom or to try to understand their point of view or reasonings for doing anything even if she then didn't agree with those reasonings....she just doesn't see or hear things at all.....and that's what really bothers me about her and why I think she has a long way to go before even starting her 'journey'.....

[Kazanne]

I've seen this said and I say BS.
Helen hasn't controlled anything. She has no control, for if she had surely she would have made sure that Ashleigh wasn't a fave for the win; and that Christopher and Chris would have been evicted.
Helen has been nothing but an idiot and a fool who has handed those she doesn't like a pass to the final on a plate, and she was the one with the free pass. How ironic is that?
Without her in there nobody can say it would have been a bad series, because we can't possibly know that. IMO, it would have been better because no series should revolve around one person, and especially not one as utterly horrible as Helen. BB capitalized on her ugly nature by making sure her nastiness and vileness was given a top spot at the expense of the other HM's interacting and having fun. And she was good value for it and it serves her right for being such a vile cow.
The 'good guys' controlled Helen, not the other way around - and THAT is what made the show. Without Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, Helen would have had a coven sitting around her afraid to say boo and she would never have had a reason to go haywire because she would have been sitting there all smug and self satisfied and acting the Queen Bee. She'd be sitting there with the brain - dead lads giggling and sneering and talking sex and God knows what other s*****. Riveting stuff, if that's what some want.
Added to that she has been the reason her friends Tamara and Winston were evicted before their time. She's the kiss of death, a bloody jinx.
She's been the biggest idiot ever to walk through the BB doors. Hasn't she done well?

Oh another Helen hate thread,so boring,:sleep::sleep: no need to read we already know what it says:joker::joker:,she's been great imo and that's all that matters,she's kept certain people in posts going anyway,imagine the forum without her

[Ellen]

..(just a little afterthought with the 'control'..)...Mark said last night that he felt Helen 'had his back' as in she looked out for him/was a 'good' friend etc...the thing about that is and the thing about Helen is she doesn't 'defend' her friends, she 'excuses' them regardless of every and any situation and their part played in it...and so she stops herself from 'looking and listening' all the time/she 'stunts' herself...I think maybe some people were happy to have that in the house/to have a Helen in the house 'fighting their corner' and so many things have been missed by them which is why they're now in complete confusion as to why the public are voting their 'clique' out/they really don't get it at all...the others..the 'outsiders' have looked more at every situation and judged those situations with eyes and ears and have defended when they felt it was right but not 'excused' when they felt someone, even a 'friend' wasn't in the right...and it is a control Jet..you're right...it's a very negative control because Helen doesn't see things objectively but only 'judges' things and people in terms of her personal likes and dislikes of them and those likes and dislikes come from whether they themselves 'excuse' her which people like Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris haven't....

When you make friends you become more aware of their reaction to things so will defend if you feel a friend has been hurt even if they have been in the wrong.
Regarding her judging people, she was friends with Mark who has told her she was wrong and OTT more than once but she still remained friends with him.
The 'outsiders' have excused others when they were in the wrong, Chris has done it with Ashleigh & Danielle, Ashleigh has done it with Danielle and neither one has told that person they were in the wrong.
No one likes to see a friend upset or have their feelings hurt & you will defend them because of that. They have all done that to some extent.

[poppsywoppsy]

Oh another Helen hate thread,so boring,:sleep::sleep: no need to read we already know what it says:joker::joker:,she's been great imo and that's all that matters,she's kept certain people in posts going anyway,imagine the forum without her

Well there is the Helen mentality reflected.

Said in a foghorn drawl. " I know what I/she is like, but you don't listen, you don't see it like I do, you'r wrong, how can I make it so you get it, because you don't get it like I do. (Expletives every other word removed).

[Ammi]

..oh the other thing is that after they all 'escaped' etc..Mark had wanted to talk about it/was talking about it and she sharply told him not to/not to 'give them what they wanted..'...(I still don't understand whether she meant the other HMs or BB..)..but anyways, Ashleigh's comment was in no way a 'demand for an apology..'..it was a comment that no remorse had been shown not for the actual thing but for the punishment they all got for it...it's kind of 'never let the facts get in the way of personal feelings' for Helen....if Ashleigh's comment could be perceived as a 'demand' then so could hers to Mark....

[Ammi]

When you make friends you become more aware of their reaction to things so will defend if you feel a friend has been hurt even if they have been in the wrong.
Regarding her judging people, she was friends with Mark who has told her she was wrong and OTT more than once but she still remained friends with him.
The 'outsiders' have excused others when they were in the wrong, Chris has done it with Ashleigh & Danielle, Ashleigh has done it with Danielle and neither one has told that person they were in the wrong.
No one likes to see a friend upset or have their feelings hurt & you will defend them because of that. They have all done that to some extent.

..I agree that they've all done it, we've all done it ourselves at times and do with housemates to an extent but it's the 'blind extreme' of doing it with Helen though and even on reflection after she has reacted, it makes no difference..she's always right, always right, always right...and with that, it excludes any objectivity in any situation....

[Kazanne]

Well there is the Helen mentality reflected.

Said in a foghorn drawl. " I know what I/she is like, but you don't listen, you don't see it like I do, you'r wrong, how can I make it so you get it, because you don't get it like I do. (Expletives every other word removed).

Please elaborate on the Helen mentality? I have heard all the dross before,there is no need for it to be said over and over,once is quite enough,so less of the sly Ashleigh mentality digs.(said in a sly Irish whisper!!!)

[MrWong]

Oh another Helen hate thread,so boring,:sleep::sleep: no need to read we already know what it says:joker::joker:,she's been great imo and that's all that matters,she's kept certain people in posts going anyway,imagine the forum without her

If only your reaction was the same to all the Ashleigh hate threads.

Instead, you actively join in.

[Kazanne]

If only your reaction was the same to all the Ashleigh hate threads.

Instead, you actively join in.

As I am entitalled to,and will continue to do so,big difference I don't keep making Ashleigh 'hate' threads now do I?

[Ammi]

Please elaborate on the Helen mentality? I have heard all the dross before,there is no need for it to be said over and over,once is quite enough,so less of the sly Ashleigh mentality digs.(said in a sly Irish whisper!!!)

..to be fair I was reading another thread about 'the escape' and people who don't like Ashleigh were saying ..oh, it would be different if it was Ashleigh/then it would be ok/funny/hypocrites etc...and people who liked Ashleigh we're being scoffed at and called hypocrites for not criticising Ashleigh for something she had no part in and it was just being 'presumed'..there are endless other threads doing the same and of both sets of fans and it's all wrong and not necessary to refer to fans for their opinions rather than HMs for their actions only...I'm agreeing with you that it's all tedious and wrong from everyone....as if we haven't had enough to comment on and discuss in the house anyway this year...

[MrWong]

As I am entitalled to,and will continue to do so,big difference I don't keep making Ashleigh 'hate' threads now do I?

Never said you did. I said you actively join in yet bemoan hate threads about Helen.

[poppsywoppsy]

Please elaborate on the Helen mentality? I have heard all the dross before,there is no need for it to be said over and over,once is quite enough,so less of the sly Ashleigh mentality digs.(said in a sly Irish whisper!!!)

I had already elaborated on the Helen mentality in the post.

It also reflects that those who support her may miss the point as often as she does.

[Kizzy]

..to be fair I was reading another thread about 'the escape' and people who don't like Ashleigh were saying ..oh, it would be different if it was Ashleigh/then it would be ok/funny/hypocrites etc...and people who liked Ashleigh we're being scoffed at and called hypocrites for not criticising Ashleigh for something she had no part in and it was just being 'presumed'..there are endless other threads doing the same and of both sets of fans and it's all wrong and not necessary to refer to fans for their opinions rather than HMs for their actions only...I'm agreeing with you that it's all tedious and wrong from everyone....as if we haven't had enough to comment on and discuss in the house anyway this year...

Why does it all have to come back to her at all?

[Jake.]

This series has been dreadful since week 4, so good on her for 'making' it what it is..

[Robodog]

The same with me.
Ashleigh was in my top 5 of housemates and Helen my 15th of 16 in the early weeks.
Then I looked for better in Helen and saw quite a bit too so gave her the credit for that.
She is not all bad just as Ashleigh is not all good in my opinion.

I also believe she would be a loyal friend to those she comes to feel she can trust.
She has a lot of complex issues and things she needs to see as to herself but I have seen her be a good friend to those she has come to trust and feel closer to.

Those she doesn't trust and doesn't like are also left in no doubt that's what she thinks as to them and I prefer that too in people.

For me she has been a major part of this series all the way through.

Agreed. Good points, well explained.

[Kazanne]

Never said you did. I said you actively join in yet bemoan hate threads about Helen.

Well,:joker:,of course I do I don't like the girl so will comment,isn't that why we all comment? or are we not allowed to comment negatively on her?and c'mon how many more Helen hate threads do we really need the forums full of them,we get the message,no need to keep it on repeat.I like Helen,so obviously will say so:shrug:

[Kizzy]

And as the OP says helen has however positively/ negatively you view her made the series.. no doubt about it.

Helen has controlled everything and 'made' this series

Yes, yes she has.

[MrWong]

Well,:joker:,of course I do I don't like the girl so will comment,isn't that why we all comment? or are we not allowed to comment negatively on her?and c'mon how many more Helen hate threads do we really need the forums full of them,we get the message,no need to keep it on repeat.I like Helen,so obviously will say so:shrug:

Why do you keep attributing **** to me that I haven't said? :joker:

Just pointing out the double standards. Ashleigh hate threads fine. Helen hate threads not fine.

[Tip]

BB has controlled everything and "made" this series pretty much - and it hasn't been great in my view.

The Winston out campaign success however, makes it feel that the public got a chance of control and "making" something of what's left of this dismal series.

(Arguments about how the threads on this forum are administered don't really interest me, I'm sure moderators could merge threads or whatever - it's not worth arguing about in my view)

[Kizzy]

BB has controlled everything and "made" this series pretty much - and it hasn't been great in my view.

The Winston out campaign success however, makes it feel that the public got a chance of control and "making" something of what's left of this dismal series.

(Arguments about how the threads on this forum are administered don't really interest me, I'm sure moderators could merge threads or whatever - it's not worth arguing about in my view)

The fixated fans that contribute to these campaigns only serve to make the show a mockery of what it should be really.

[Livia]

Everyone who's been close to Helen has been picked off by the public one at a time. Now she's left with just Ash. I think that says everything about Helen, her clique and their attitude that anyone needs to know. People don't like aggressive bullies and they don't like bitchy cliques.

[Tip]

Fixated fans support the show and keep it going, however fixated fans also take it all too seriously and forget that in fact it is actually a very light entertainment show where winning / losing actually means very little at all in the grand scheme of things.

[Kizzy]

Fixated fans support the show and keep it going, however fixated fans also take it all too seriously and forget that in fact it is actually a very light entertainment show where winning / losing actually means very little at all in the grand scheme of things.

True, winston was a victim of this mentality, it had nothing to do with him or his friends in the house.

[Kazanne]

True, winston was a victim of this mentality, it had nothing to do with him or his friends in the house.

exactly,if only people were honest enough to admit that.

[jet]

..(just a little afterthought with the 'control'..)...Mark said last night that he felt Helen 'had his back' as in she looked out for him/was a 'good' friend etc...the thing about that is and the thing about Helen is she doesn't 'defend' her friends, she 'excuses' them regardless of every and any situation and their part played in it...and so she stops herself from 'looking and listening' all the time/she 'stunts' herself...I think maybe some people were happy to have that in the house/to have a Helen in the house 'fighting their corner' and so many things have been missed by them which is why they're now in complete confusion as to why the public are voting their 'clique' out/they really don't get it at all...the others..the 'outsiders' have looked more at every situation and judged those situations with eyes and ears and have defended when they felt it was right but not 'excused' when they felt someone, even a 'friend' wasn't in the right...and it is a control Jet..you're right...it's a very negative control because Helen doesn't see things objectively but only 'judges' things and people in terms of her personal likes and dislikes of them and those likes and dislikes come from whether they themselves 'excuse' her which people like Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris haven't....

Love your thoughts Ammi...
yes, those who put up with Helen or don't mind her behaviour will get an easier time from Helen than those who don't, and even then those she likes will get a lashing if they displease her. How different would she have been if Ashleigh hadn't been there?
If we were to take her out of the picture altogether it would have been a different story. I think Helen felt unsettled and threatened by Ashleigh's maturity, strength and obvious repugnance at her behaviour. So I believe at least some of Helen's nastiness stemmed from the realization that there was someone in the house she was definitely not going to be able to 'control'.
For I think it's all about control, and as Ammi said, a negative one, and not being able to control is an issue for Helen.
Ashleigh in particular has been Helen's nemesis, and as Helen is the type of person I would have no respect for and dislike intensely Ashleigh is the star of the show for me and to many others too it seems.

[Tip]

True, winston was a victim of this mentality, it had nothing to do with him or his friends in the house.



If it's that important, maybe people shouldn't apply to enter what is after all a bit of light and trivial entertainment - they are a victim of wanting to be a part of it.

They get to be on tv, take part in the program and go home afterwards maybe with a prize and maybe not. They aren't hard done by in the least unless people blow it all out of any realistic sense of proportion.

It's a popularity contest - and there isn't a great deal of high moral ground to be made out of that either which way.

[Kizzy]

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, VTS this week would have stopped any negative campaigns is all.
Looking at it objectively it's clear that VTE was pivotal in that, regardless of what kind of housemate you are or what your expectations are.

[JoshBB]

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, VTS this week would have stopped any negative campaigns is all.
Looking at it objectively it's clear that VTE was pivotal in that, regardless of what kind of housemate you are or what your expectations are.

Definitely. If it had been VTS throughout Toya would probably be in the final too, a lot of people like her. Same with Jale maybe. Ash would have gone ages ago.

[Tip]

VTE only works if people genuinely don't care about the hm they are tactically voting to evict. If they cared about them (above others) they wouldn't select them for the campaign.

[Cold Sweat]

BB endorsed Helen the whole way – but why? I’m sure they could have booted her out had they so wanted and given how almost every aspect of the format has been twisted they could have found a convenient way of revoking the free pass – but they didn’t.

[joeysteele]

Definitely. If it had been VTS throughout Toya would probably be in the final too, a lot of people like her. Same with Jale maybe. Ash would have gone ages ago.

I would agree with that, I think Toya had a good fan base on here but those who liked her could do nothing to keep her in under vote to evict.
I wasn't keen on Toya myself to be honest but I do believe under vote to save, she would have got much further than she did.

[Tip]

I would agree with that, I think Toya had a good fan base on here but those who liked her could do nothing to keep her in under vote to evict.
I wasn't keen on Toya myself to be honest but I do believe under vote to save, she would have got much further than she did.

As I really didn't take to Toya it's hard for me to be objective.

I don't think it's wrong to be facing voting that includes the attitudes of those that aren't in your fan base. I think if the majority of people don't care enough about you to be concerned about voting you out then you on a losing wicket anyway. You may stay in a bit longer and get a chance to sway opinions, but too bad really if you didn't do that sooner?

[joeysteele]

As I really didn't take to Toya it's hard for me to be objective.

I don't think it's wrong to be facing voting that includes the attitudes of those that aren't in your fan base. I think if the majority of people don't care enough about you to be concerned about voting you out then you on a losing wicket anyway. You may stay in a bit longer and get a chance to sway opinions, but too bad really if you didn't do that sooner?

I take your point,I just liked when BB on Channel 5 brought in vote to save because then, those who like and support ceratin housemates can get behind them and support them with their voting all through the series.

Vote to evict only opens the door for negative voting in my view and rarely is a test of true popularity too.
I guess I am just a firm vote to save guy who would like to be involved in my favourite housemate/s progress all through the series rather than just at the final.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I would have enjoyed 2 months of Big Brother more without a Helen on my screen.

Me too she has really put a downer on this series for me, so much so can't wait until it finished, to quiet honest there have been times when I thought of stopping watching it cause of her.

[JCrow]

OMG! I know people have a right to their own opinion, but to make excuses for a godawful, horrible, nasty, disgusting excuse for a human-being is beyond me. I would
n't care if she became a bubbly, sweet thing after the first two weeks of her! There is no excuse for her behavior, none, don't even f'ing try it here I will not be swayed. Any sweetness she may have shone that I'm unaware of ( I don't watch live feeds or catch much of bots, I only see the broadcast show) still wouldn't matter unless she very sincerely apologized to those she wronged. And that doesn't mean apologizing a month later when you're trying to improve your F'ed up image. An apology in Helens case would most often be the next day after she sobered up. But even sober she the nastiest b**ch I've ever had the misfortune to watch, and thats saying something because I'm an American who has had to put up with the vile USA version of this show. The US version got so bad I had to hunt down the UK version and for the greater part it is so, so ,so much better. I've only seen this season so far but plan on watching previous seasons. But then Helen pops up, and Pauline, can't forget to put Pauline in this too, and I just start to lose hope. But Pauline was given the early boot and I was sure Helens pass would be revoked on principle, 1 of 2 aint bad. It would have been an award winner in my book if somewhere in the middle of the season Helen's pass got revoked because the show was being boycotted by the viewers. Blood-pressure is spiking, thanks Helen, must sign off before I stroke out. This was only going to be four sentences originally. Sorry for the ramble. To the point of the thread, I don't think Helen controlled anything other than Ash, Mark, Winston, and one or two others early on. Even then it wasn't total. Didn't turn out in her favor at the end either. Guilt by ASSociation for those of her brood that got the boot.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I believe the housemates and I think alnost every single one of them has said Helen DOES have a control over the house on their eviction.

[jet]

OMG! I know people have a right to their own opinion, but to make excuses for a godawful, horrible, nasty, disgusting excuse for a human-being is beyond me. I would
n't care if she became a bubbly, sweet thing after the first two weeks of her! There is no excuse for her behavior, none, don't even f'ing try it here I will not be swayed. Any sweetness she may have shone that I'm unaware of ( I don't watch live feeds or catch much of bots, I only see the broadcast show) still wouldn't matter unless she very sincerely apologized to those she wronged. And that doesn't mean apologizing a month later when you're trying to improve your F'ed up image. An apology in Helens case would most often be the next day after she sobered up. But even sober she the nastiest b**ch I've ever had the misfortune to watch, and thats saying something because I'm an American who has had to put up with the vile USA version of this show. The US version got so bad I had to hunt down the UK version and for the greater part it is so, so ,so much better. I've only seen this season so far but plan on watching previous seasons. But then Helen pops up, and Pauline, can't forget to put Pauline in this too, and I just start to lose hope. But Pauline was given the early boot and I was sure Helens pass would be revoked on principle, 1 of 2 aint bad. It would have been an award winner in my book if somewhere in the middle of the season Helen's pass got revoked because the show was being boycotted by the viewers. Blood-pressure is spiking, thanks Helen, must sign off before I stroke out. This was only going to be four sentences originally. Sorry for the ramble.

Don't be sorry. It's understandable and I agree.

[jet]

BB endorsed Helen the whole way – but why? I’m sure they could have booted her out had they so wanted and given how almost every aspect of the format has been twisted they could have found a convenient way of revoking the free pass – but they didn’t.

Yes, I find that suspect as well. She gets all these warnings/reprimands, whatever, then a final one, then yet another one which kind of makes a nonsense of the word 'final' in this respect.
So basically she gets away with everything with no punishment whatsoever. Taking away her free pass would have been the obvious and sensible thing to do, for why should someone who behaves like she does repeatedly and breaks the rules (the breakout) be allowed to keep that privilege? It does make you wonder.

[Jules2]

Imo I think that Helen has held Ash back, he has been to happy to sit behind her, others have been afraid to nominate him for fear of the backlash. I feel that others have sat in her corner to avoid backlash.

However, I do not feel that Helen has a lot of respect for herself and I definitely feel that Winston was totally wrong to tell her she wouldnt win and just to be herself, this was when she misheard what was being said between Chris and Ashleigh. Winston was egging her on to sort the two of them out.

This week will be a case of divide and conquer, Ash has already begun this by saying he didnt agree with Chris and Ashleigh's friendship, I believe he said it looking at the camera. Mmmm very suspicious after all this time! It will be interesting to see how they treat each other this coming week.

No matter what though, when Chris goes he will be able to hold his head up high, I am hoping he gets a chance to display his llustration work. The others will hold their heads up high regardless as they will have the support of their disillusioned ex HMs especilly those who like sour grapes.

[Jules2]

I take your point,I just liked when BB on Channel 5 brought in vote to save because then, those who like and support ceratin housemates can get behind them and support them with their voting all through the series.

Vote to evict only opens the door for negative voting in my view and rarely is a test of true popularity too.
I guess I am just a firm vote to save guy who would like to be involved in my favourite housemate/s progress all through the series rather than just at the final.

Hi Joey, it will be interesting to see how many vote to save the 6 remaining people. I think if it had been to save Pav wouldnt be there now as the public didnt see the point of him in the beginning, he now has a bit of a fan base.

It is difficult, with the VTE would you agree that more money was spent? I spent to save 3 but to get others out. Alternatively maybe it doesnt make any difference because I am still going to vote for my 3 favourites to be the last 3 standing. Others though, may only vote to save their favourite?

[tanussa]

The thing is, what this series has highlighted is that it really doesn't matter how extreme characters are, how much things are manipulated, it always gets back to an equilibrium at some point. We now have 2 in the good camp, 2 in the evil camp, and 2 floaters

I wouldnt go as far as calling ashleigh and chris evil, just really unlikeable:cheer2:

[Ammi]

..I also think that no matter who was in the house/which other housemates there may have been the Helen would have still been the same and the same confrontations/bad feelings etc would have occurred only with a different 'character list' because the problem with Helen is Helen....she only sees negative in anyone who doesn't agree with all she says and does...and there will be negative there/we all have those traits but with Helen it's not a case of just..oh, I do that sometimes/I would be the same etc because most of us have negativity in balance but with Helen it's an extreme and a total imbalance to her personality...I have a feeling that given time and the exhaustion of it all, even her 'friends' would become 'enemies' as well because at some point they would have to disagree with something and that's not something she finds able to cope with at all...so it all becomes more a paranoid vicious circle for her of 'not being able to trust people' but she's the one who causes and projects it all...to have empathy for her or any real understanding, she must show that to others first which I've not really seen more than a fleeting amount...because people in general will never take time to try to understand or empathise and only judge her if she makes their environment so unpleasant and that's just life really....you gets what you gives etc....

[Jules2]

For me I vote to save my favourite, I look at all the clues re nomination, who is going to nominate him/her next time. Who is my person at odds with etc. etc. With this last one my main aim was to get Chris through the night, therefore I voted to evict Pav as at one time, it was a close call between them. Just tactical voting on my part. I also put in votes for Winston, once again many did the same and it worked, I honestly didnt think it would but I wasnt sorry. It was within Winston's supporters ability to watch what was happening. I think had it been a vote to save I would have done the same thing with my 3 favourites.

[joeysteele]

Hi Joey, it will be interesting to see how many vote to save the 6 remaining people. I think if it had been to save Pav wouldnt be there now as the public didnt see the point of him in the beginning, he now has a bit of a fan base.

It is difficult, with the VTE would you agree that more money was spent? I spent to save 3 but to get others out. Alternatively maybe it doesnt make any difference because I am still going to vote for my 3 favourites to be the last 3 standing. Others though, may only vote to save their favourite?

Hi Jules2.
Yes I agree as to Pav too,in fact it wouldn't surprise me if those voting now for a winner are so fed up of the others that a good few turn to Pav.
I admit I wanted him out from the week they went in but he has ridden the storm,been up every week he has been there so who knows.

Probably more money is spent as to vote to evict I do agree and like you I will be voting for at least 2 housemates to win,one Female and one Male.

[jet]

..I also think that no matter who was in the house/which other housemates there may have been the Helen would have still been the same and the same confrontations/bad feelings etc would have occurred only with a different 'character list' because the problem with Helen is Helen....she only sees negative in anyone who doesn't agree with all she says and does...and there will be negative there/we all have those traits but with Helen it's not a case of just..oh, I do that sometimes/I would be the same etc because most of us have negativity in balance but with Helen it's an extreme and a total imbalance to her personality...I have a feeling that given time and the exhaustion of it all, even her 'friends' would become 'enemies' as well because at some point they would have to disagree with something and that's not something she finds able to cope with at all...so it all becomes more a paranoid vicious circle for her of 'not being able to trust people' but she's the one who causes and projects it all...to have empathy for her or any real understanding, she must show that to others first which I've not really seen more than a fleeting amount...because people in general will never take time to try to understand or empathise and only judge her if she makes their environment so unpleasant and that's just life really....you gets what you gives etc....

Good points. :wavey:

[Marsh.]

If that's all you can manage, then...pffft.

It's all your ridiculous posts deserve.

[Marsh.]

The comment heading this thread was made by another member on their own thread, I have commented on that thread and see no need for this thread which I think is an awful one

:clap1: Spill that tea Joey.

[Marsh.]

Everyone who's been close to Helen has been picked off by the public one at a time. Now she's left with just Ash. I think that says everything about Helen, her clique and their attitude that anyone needs to know. People don't like aggressive bullies and they don't like bitchy cliques.

Or it says a lot about the twitter campaigns who spend an awful lot of their money on phone votes.

I'd never waste my money on this farce of a programme.

[rionablue]

..it's funny really Riona because I'm almost the complete opposite...I had all of those sympathies and empathies at the beginning and tried to 'look beyond' her behaviour as to why she reacts the way she does...but then 'understanding' it doesn't change it or the results of it or the effects on the people she dislikes and 'targets'...the people at the end of her wrath which is guised as 'honesty'...and all of the housemates and indeed all of us also have a past/experiences that make us what we are...and no such allowances would be made for any of us and no such allowances are made for any other housemate in the same way so it's a bit like bringing her past in as a negative and judging her on it..?...if it's to be left out of the house..(which is right..)..then it has to be completely left out with no allowances either..that was my thought process anyway....

Fair enough Ammi That's what these forums are for and I admire the way you put your views across as even though I don't agree with them you have made your case without slagging off either the housemate or me. Maybe I am a sucker but I would give her a chance. I am not talking about her past with the Wayne Rooney incident or anything that was in the public eye. I don't know ..... maybe the father of her son hurt her and maybe its no excuse for he behaviour but I have grown to like her far far more than I like either Chris or Ashleigh and I know I am in the minority

[jet]

I'm not getting into any he said/ she said, but the amount of hate threads is reaching ridiculous proportions.

I didn't expect you to, a simple yes or no would suffice.

[poppsywoppsy]

The thing is, I really think Helen has been the least entertaining housemate by her continual moaning and daily character assassinations.

It is all she does, even when she broke out of the house, it was to cause trouble, why she thought it amusing that several nearly thirty something's would repeat something that was done many years ago and we would find it makes the series, well get real you numpties.

Ash laughs at others antics but has only contributed one good task, his magic one. Helen has half heatedly contributed to tasks but they were forgettable.

She argues, character assassinates, finds fun in others misfortunes and moans and moans and moans.

We all know she would be gone ASAP, without the pass, so she doesn't deserve to be in the final and is only there by default.

Her big new worry is how she will be treated by those who find her dreadful when she leaves the house, especially as her prostitute mate has said her and Helen are barred from nightspots in their area. I don't think many will tread on eggshells around her when she gets out and shoots her mouth off, she should be concerned.

[JoshBB]

She is an ex hooker on a channel 5 reality show. perspective ... Anyone?? No?

No she wasn't.. where the hell did you get that from?? :conf:

[waterhog]

full of hate and jealousy - very bitter lady.

[JoshBB]

full of hate and jealousy - very bitter lady.

oi get off the fence! :joker: