Your ideal final 3?

[Raph]

Mine would be: Victoria, Cody and Derrick. Although Hayden instead of Cody if he's brought back into the game. And you? Note this is in the BBUSA section :)

[Jack_]

Donny, Zach and probs Frankie for the total lols

If Jocasta comes back though either her or Victoria making F3 would be just as hilarious

[JoshBB]

Frankie, Zach, and Cody. I've only seen the first episode though :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Victoria/Nicole/Donny because **** the mother****ing Detonators/Bomb Squad/whatever the ****

[Liam-]

Cody, Derrick and Zach, the three best houseguests by a mile

[LukeB]

Nicole,Cody and Caleb

[AarynGriesfan]

Hayden Nicole Donny. If Hayden doesn't come back then replace him with Zach.

[Mystic Mock]

1. Frankie
2. Zach
3. Caleb

[rubberface]

Zach x Donny x Cody

[JTM45]

I think you've made a mistake there. You've not only included Frankie in your top three but you've got him at number one. A mistake.............right ?

My top 3 are;
Anyone who isn't Frankie with preference given to anyone responsible for anything that results in the repulsive little twat being evicted from the house!!!

[Braden]

Donny, Nicole & Victoria.

Sad that it will probably not happen :(

[reece(:]

Victoria/Nicole/Donny because **** the mother****ing Detonators/Bomb Squad/whatever the ****
same.

[Liam-]

Donny, Nicole & Victoria.

Sad that it will probably not happen :(

That would be the worst final 3 imaginable :bawling:

[Macie Lightfoot]

:rolleyes: no it wouldn't, everyone else in there (ie Bomb Squad/Detonators) is a piece of ****

[Liam-]

:rolleyes: no it wouldn't, everyone else in there (ie Bomb Squad/Detonators) is a piece of ****

Now that Jocasta has left, they are the 3 most boring and pointless people in there

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah get out the only three people not in the Bomb Squad because having ANY opposition would be boring xxx

[Liam-]

Nicole is going to be Jordan.V2, coast all the way through but win because shes nice, so dull

[Macie Lightfoot]

She's not coasting, the whole house is afraid of her because they think she's an amazing player (which is hilarious), she won three HoH Comps and would have been able to make big moves without BotB in play. This season is complete garbage thanks to the Detonators, BotB, and Team America, so obviously the desired final three for myself and most people are the three people least attached to any of those.

[Anaesthesia]

Nicole, Donny and Zach for me please...can't see any way it can happen though :(

[JerseyWins]

Cody, Derrick and Zach, the three best houseguests by a mile
This

[Marc]

Donny. Nicole and maybe Victoria

[reece(:]

that vile piece of **** Derrick deserves no reward for his general ****iness in the houe.

[Liam-]

Vile? i genuinely havent seen what hes done wrong to upset so many people :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Derrick's smart but he's gonna get caught eventually. People kinda see this I think. Cody's playing it smoother and I'm assuming he might be more liked, too.

It's a really good team though that's for sure. :thumbs2: Derrick's not doing anything wrong or offensive either.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

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[Braden]

Now that Jocasta has left, they are the 3 most boring and pointless people in there

No way. Cody definitely fulfils that role imo.

People are only remotely bothered by him because he's good looking.

[Liam-]

No way. Cody definitely fulfils that role imo.

People are only remotely bothered by him because he's good looking.

Cody is playing the game well.. the fact that hes drop dead gorgeous is just a bonus :lovedup:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Last night's feeds (Wednesday's episode possibly, depending on what/how it gets portrayed) would be a good place to start.

There's just a ridiculous amount of inner misogyny with him. He simultaneously fears women and expects the worst in them. For whatever reason, he feels threatened by every woman even though most of them have never seen the show, and would rather surround himself with Frankie the snake, Zach the loose cannon, and Caleb the crazy. Victoria was the only woman he would tolerate because she was submissive to him, and he was okay with Christine because she was submissive to Cody.

He doesn't treat women equal and talks down to/about them, and when a woman tries to talk to him as an equal he immediately expects the worst and assumes that they're playing him and doesn't believe a word they say. This has led him to completely misread and mistrust Brittany, and then Amber, and then Nicole, when all three were sincere in wanting to work with him. Even after all of last night's events, he turned it around to the point where he wants Donny out this week as before, and then Nicole, and then Victoria, and then Christine.

So yeah, he blows.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Cody is playing the game well.. the fact that hes drop dead gorgeous is just a bonus :lovedup:

The only thing Cody's doing well is having a decent genetic pool. And I guarantee any attraction one might have to him would go away as soon as you hear him compulsively suck in snot on the live feeds.

[Anaesthesia]

Cody is dreadful! He is coasting on his young Travolta looks, he has never done anything of any substance. I hope he goes to jury soon.

[Pete.]

Nicole
Cody
Victoria

[Pete.]

Frankie and Derrick need to go soon

[Liam-]

I don't get all the Victoria love.. shes so irrelevant

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'll let Raph chime in with the "do you even watch the feeds?" remark of condescension

[Anaesthesia]

Donny, Nicole, Caleb.

[BigBrotherDude17]

Frankie,Donny,Derrick

[Sophiee]

zach, cody and derrick.

[Raph]

I'll let Raph chime in with the "do you even watch the feeds?" remark of condescension

???

[Liam-]

zach, cody and derrick.

Finally :clap1:

[Anaesthesia]

See. I did actually like Derrick a couple of weeks ago, but I don't like the bullying from the Detonators one bit. He's there, he's in Team America, but all he really cares about is Derrick, and he is showing a nasty side to his character.

Shame, he shares a name with my late father, and I like to think of Derricks as good guys :(

[Sophiee]

See. I did actually like Derrick a couple of weeks ago, but I don't like the bullying from the Detonators one bit. He's there, he's in Team America, but all he really cares about is Derrick, and he is showing a nasty side to his character.

Shame, he shares a name with my late father, and I like to think of Derricks as good guys :(
how exactly is what he's doing considered as 'bullying'? :facepalm: he's playing a brilliant game.

[Liam-]

See. I did actually like Derrick a couple of weeks ago, but I don't like the bullying from the Detonators one bit. He's there, he's in Team America, but all he really cares about is Derrick, and he is showing a nasty side to his character.

Shame, he shares a name with my late father, and I like to think of Derricks as good guys :(

Bullying? Jesus Christ, here we go.. No-one has been bullied in there, He is just paying the game really strong, he has been from the beginning

[Bluerang1]

She's not coasting, the whole house is afraid of her because they think she's an amazing player (which is hilarious), she won three HoH Comps and would have been able to make big moves without BotB in play. This season is complete garbage thanks to the Detonators, BotB, and Team America, so obviously the desired final three for myself and most people are the three people least attached to any of those.

Fact

[Bluerang1]

Agree with OP F3 just so Victoria can win final HOH and take Cody and win the game

[Raph]

^what these two said. Whilst the way he's talking to Victoria is frustrating, ultimately there's no denying that he's playing a solid game.

[Firewire]

Zach, Donny and Victoria

[Liam-]

Agree with OP F3 just so Victoria can win final HOH and take Cody and win the game

If Victoria wins the show will lose all credibility it has remaining, the format is supposed to be about the best game player winning, i thought Andy last year was bad but Victoria is just useless.. a nice person, but lacks any strategy whatsoever

[Raph]

Agree with OP F3 just so Victoria can win final HOH and take Cody and win the game

Queen V all the way :D :D

[Raph]

If Victoria wins the show will lose all credibility it has remaining, the format is supposed to be about the best game player winning, i thought Andy last year was bad but Victoria is just useless.. a nice person, but lacks any strategy whatsoever

What about Jordan winning BB11? She was one of the worst players who knew nothing about the game but was the nicest person

[Liam-]

What about Jordan winning BB11? She was one of the worst players who knew nothing about the game but was the nicest person

I hated her as a winner too, i'm not just opposing Victoria, i oppose everyone who gets close to winning/or winning, just by coasting :joker:
Jordan is the worst winner ever, she did nothing all season but ride on Jeff's coattails.. then nearly went on to do the same thing on season 13 :rant:

[reece(:]

Jordan :lovedup:

[Anaesthesia]

Bullying? Jesus Christ, here we go.. No-one has been bullied in there, He is just paying the game really strong, he has been from the beginning

OK. I should substitute bullying for passive-aggressive. He was going to break every bone in Zach's jaw, and he is ordering how the next evictions should play out (from LFs)

He is quite domineering to the women in the house, he shouts at Victoria for not trusting him when he is lying to her face.

That's enough for me.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Derrick's game is much better than everyone else's but it's definitely not stellar by any means. And while I wouldn't say he's a bully, it's clear that he revels in his role as a police officer and loves to have power over other people and it's not a good look.

[Liam-]

She was a really nice person and easily the nicest one in there.. But she didn't deserve to win :joker:

[Anaesthesia]

Jordan :lovedup:

Me too :)

[Anaesthesia]

Quote from another thread where I think Raph sums Derrick up perfectly:

He told Victoria that she was the only person he spoke game to, and she put all her trust in him. Thus, she also evicted her other best friend Hayden, to support Derrick. Then, last night she found out from Zach that Derrick has been alligned with Zach, Cody, Caleb etc and then Victoria broke down. And then the way Derrick spoke down to Victoria even though he was in the wrong is what made many people turn on him, in my opinion

[Liam-]

Quote from another thread where I think Raph sums Derrick up perfectly:

He told Victoria that she was the only person he spoke game to, and she put all her trust in him. Thus, she also evicted her other best friend Hayden, to support Derrick. Then, last night she found out from Zach that Derrick has been alligned with Zach, Cody, Caleb etc and then Victoria broke down. And then the way Derrick spoke down to Victoria even though he was in the wrong is what made many people turn on him, in my opinion

Granted, no-one deserves to be spoken down to, but lying and making people believe you and be on your side to support you and do what you want, is all part of the game :shrug:

[Anaesthesia]

Granted, no-one deserves to be spoken down to, but lying and making people believe you and be on your side to support you and do what you want, is all part of the game :shrug:

I get that. The cleverness of BBUS is doing it cleanly. Dr Will was the perfect example. Although now it is getting interesting because all of the lies and suckups are being exposed. Derrick could have won in any season bar this imo. Only one coming out clean of anything right now is Donny I think

[Anaesthesia]

And don't make girls cry ;)

[Liam-]

And don't make girls cry ;)

It's impossible not to make Victoria cry, she cries over everything :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Cody's in the driver's seat on his way to a final 3. Not sure if he'd be taken to final 2 or win in the finals though.

Not too sure what's going on with Derrick based on what I've read but I expected things to fall apart for him late in the game based on how he was playing the game. Wasn't expecting anything this soon tho if he gets out in a week or two.


Current Final 3 I'd like & think deserve it:

Cody, Zach, Donny/Victoria (Vic doesn't exactly deserve it in any way tho but she's that HG that people are gonna want to keep around to win against)

Or still Zach, Cody, Derrick

[Macie Lightfoot]

Cody's doing a really good job of flirting with all the girls and building them up as jury votes and then evicting two of them before jury starts :joker:

[Anaesthesia]

Cody's doing a really good job of flirting with all the girls and building them up as jury votes and then evicting two of them before jury starts :joker:

Haha yeah, he hasn't really thought that one through :P

[Anaesthesia]

And please can Derrick shut up over his crying game where he is trying to say that voting him out will effectively take the food out of his kids mouth. Mirroring Devin at his worst.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah, and potentially ruin his game trying to save them or go after someone else? Besides that, it's clear both felt betrayed by Cody & neither were part of his plan to make it to the end. I think both have said they felt most betrayed by Cody than anyone in the house, specifically remember Amber saying it to Julie on her eviction. So when he'd eventually betray them in a similar way later down the line (if not having to do it in a worse way) then those aren't guaranteed votes by any means for him anyway.

Cody's making the best decisions in the entire house (along with Derrick) but staying even more hidden on peoples' radar than Derrick. I actually even think evicting Nicole would have been the smarter decision on that double eviction where he "messed up." They all overrated Hayden's beastliness in comps and they all have much more to hide from the Christine/Nicole relationship/blow up.

(as of right now it's looking fine for him anyway but still I do think Hayden was better to keep for all of them, less risky & less to hide so things wouldn't have blown up as much as it has since then)

[Anaesthesia]

Agree with you that Nic would have been a smarter eviction over Hayden. But I just don't think they're that smart.

Won't have any time to watch LF, but cannot wait till Weds episode, I'm actually loving how it's all imploding.

[Danny.]

Considering Nicole is probably out this week, my ideal f3 would be Donny, Zach and Victoria (with Vic winning F3 HoH and evicting Zach).

My original ideal f3 have all been evicted already :( (Brittany, Amber, Hayden).

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah, and potentially ruin his game trying to save them or go after someone else? Besides that, it's clear both felt betrayed by Cody & neither were part of his plan to make it to the end. I think both have said they felt most betrayed by Cody than anyone in the house, specifically remember Amber saying it to Julie on her eviction. So when he'd eventually betray them in a similar way later down the line (if not having to do it in a worse way) then those aren't guaranteed votes by any means for him anyway.

Cody's making the best decisions in the entire house (along with Derrick) but staying even more hidden on peoples' radar than Derrick. I actually even think evicting Nicole would have been the smarter decision on that double eviction where he "messed up." They all overrated Hayden's beastliness in comps and they all have much more to hide from the Christine/Nicole relationship/blow up.

(as of right now it's looking fine for him anyway but still I do think Hayden was better to keep for all of them, less risky & less to hide so things wouldn't have blown up as much as it has since then)

My point is that the only thing he has going for him is his genetics. He flirts with the girls nonstop and whether he realizes it or not, has them locked up as jury votes. Then he helps get two of them evicted before the Jury and apparently left Jocasta a nasty goodbye message. Brittany and Amber are still rooting for him as we speak so his strong relationships with both of them did absolutely nothing for his game.

Cody hasn't made any decisions though. Every week has been dictated by Derrick and Cody just goes along with it whether it helps or hinders his game. Getting rid of Brittany during his HOH week was incredibly stupid, but because Derrick felt threatened by her it happened. Getting rid of Hayden was definitely the right decision because he's much more perceptive than any of them know (he had Frankie's number when no one else did, recognized that Cody and Derick flipped), but if it was up to Cody he would still be here.

[JerseyWins]

Amber was hurting his relationship with Caleb, though and Brittany started to get annoyed with Cody even before he put her up on the block. Both were annoyed at him after being evicted so I'm just saying if he had flirted with them any longer and then turned on them later they'd have reacted to it even worse and wouldn't be guaranteed votes at all. If they said they're still rooting for him after the show then it's probably cause they watched the show and saw he never really had much bad to say about them even in the DR and didn't actually screw them, he just had a bigger plan that didn't include them. By evicting them later on and sending them to the jury house they could have easily been bitter.

You might be right about Hayden in that second paragraph. However, there's good and bad to keeping either one of them. I think Hayden would have 100% went after Frankie and Christine though because he'd have no other choice after the things Nicole was telling him about Christine. There weren't as many dynamics in the relationships between Christine, Hayden & the rest of them as there were with Christine & Nicole. As I said, much more to hide for the Hitmen in particular with Nicole as they were kinda putting the two against each other as well.

I honestly don't think that was a major decision either way, they just made a good decision of getting one of the two out, and it's tough to say which option was truly better even while watching the show.

[Anaesthesia]

JerseyWins,

I would love to see you on BBUS. Please apply!

[JerseyWins]

:joker: No way, I'd have probably 0% chance to win. I trust people too easily, too gullible, and I'm probably too honest to do anything on the show. I would be loyal as hell to an alliance though, kinda like Caleb... which could put me in the same situation as Caleb. (not a very good one but maybe still in it pretty late in the game) :dance:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Amber was hurting his relationship with Caleb, though and Brittany started to get annoyed with Cody even before he put her up on the block. Both were annoyed at him after being evicted so I'm just saying if he had flirted with them any longer and then turned on them later they'd have reacted to it even worse and wouldn't be guaranteed votes at all. If they said they're still rooting for him after the show then it's probably cause they watched the show and saw he never really had much bad to say about them even in the DR and didn't actually screw them, he just had a bigger plan that didn't include them. By evicting them later on and sending them to the jury house they could have easily been bitter.

It makes his entire game pointless so far though. His only actions that could even be considered game moves are his close relationships with the girls but then he just helps get rid of them before jury anyway, basically rendering all the time he went with Brittany and Amber pointless from a game perspective. Especially with Brittany, like good job getting rid of one of your biggest supporters in your HoH week? :joker:

[JerseyWins]

You're right, that was pointless effort of getting close to them but I still personally disagree with that completely cause it doesn't change that he's doing what he needs to do in order to make it to the end in the first place. He could have went after a few others instead but Derrick and the rest wanted these two out as well so there's literally no reason for him to rock the boat for his main plan. He also made it clear himself that he favored other house guests more than them. I think Big Brother is all about getting further more smoothly.

It's not a big deal anyway as he has closer relationships with a good amount of the people left in there (especially during the point in the game where he got rid of Amber & Brittany ; he was extremely close with Nicole and Christine among others).

He's not just getting by on looks and luck.. Like I've said before somewhere else, Derrick's definitely the one pulling the strings in there but Cody's playing a very good sidekick role, who is more liked and less targeted... that strategy could easily outlast the mastermind (Derrick) if things go south for The Hitmen eventually, which is honestly likely with like 8 still left.

I'm not saying Cody's a genius, and he's also not the one masterminding many/any plans, but he's still playing pretty smart and has yet to make a single mistake to put him in a worse situation than he was the week before. Too many other house guests are on roller coaster rides in there. :joker:

[LemonJam]

Donny/Victoria/Nicole

Everyone else sucks.

[Raph]

Glad to see you've also joined team Comp Queen V! :D

[Sophiee]

You're right, that was pointless effort of getting close to them but I still personally disagree with that completely cause it doesn't change that he's doing what he needs to do in order to make it to the end in the first place. He could have went after a few others instead but Derrick and the rest wanted these two out as well so there's literally no reason for him to rock the boat for his main plan. He also made it clear himself that he favored other house guests more than them. I think Big Brother is all about getting further more smoothly.

It's not a big deal anyway as he has closer relationships with a good amount of the people left in there (especially during the point in the game where he got rid of Amber & Brittany ; he was extremely close with Nicole and Christine among others).

He's not just getting by on looks and luck.. Like I've said before somewhere else, Derrick's definitely the one pulling the strings in there but Cody's playing a very good sidekick role, who is more liked and less targeted... that strategy could easily outlast the mastermind (Derrick) if things go south for The Hitmen eventually, which is honestly likely with like 8 still left.

I'm not saying Cody's a genius, and he's also not the one masterminding many/any plans, but he's still playing pretty smart and has yet to make a single mistake to put him in a worse situation than he was the week before. Too many other house guests are on roller coaster rides in there. :joker:
I agree with this 100%, it seems that people are just overlooking cody's game because he isn't the one coming up with it all and derrick is, but that doesn't take away how well he's playing it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't think Cody is in a bad position, but I don't think it's by his own planning really. Derrick might serve as a good shield, but inadvertently. I think there's a big difference between someone like Natalie from Survivor, who actively hid behind Russell because she pinned him from the start as a completely unlikable troll, and someone like Cody who is pretty much playing Derrick's game for him. You said it yourself, he could have done X but Derrick and the rest wanted Y, so Cody went and did Y, even though it benefits everyone else more than it does himself.

The only credible relationships he has left at this point are with Derrick (who he is being controlled by), Christine (everyone in the house is disgusted by how she and Cody act and are convinced they're secretly married, so that's not helping him), and Zach (who keeps wanting to work with Cody, but Cody is determined to burn him.) Like, whatever relationship he has with Nicole is irrelevant because she's getting evicted tonight over Donny, who hates Cody's guts (<3).

I think what it all comes down to is that regardless of Cody's position in the game, it really isn't by his own doing at all. He keeps making and going along moves that hurt his own personal game but help out other people (read: Derrick.) My guess is that his soccer history has led him to approach this, and most other things in life, as a team sport. If he ends up playing a good sidekick role, it's definitely not something he planned on.

[Anaesthesia]

Great post Macie.

[JerseyWins]

I agree with you almost completely but you're just not giving him anywhere near the credit he deserves for what he's doing. He's not dumb and is involved in the game, he's very involved despite not being the one to think of most of these plans. He IS playing a team game, which isn't bad, especially if you're the one laying low on that team. I also think he realizes that because he has wanted to do things such as evict Caleb but realized how bad that would have been. He's making the choices that will make the least people still in the game mad at him.

That isn't good gameplay when you don't have an alliance behind you because you're basically making your chances of taking down the big competitors worse... but really good gameplay if you do have an alliance behind you. Again, evicting Amber and Brittany (on his HOH) didn't put him in any worse of a position afterwards, so why not do that if most others want it considering he has his real group behind him 100%? "Jury votes" are overrated if you're potentially lowering your chances of making it to the end and it's not like he liked them more than others; he had plenty of other bigger allies. He's basically playing defense on his way to the finals while Derrick's playing the offense. The offense will get you far but in the end it's usually the defense that wins you the game, not just in sports but I actually think even more in Big Brother.

I think he knows that game style is benefiting him and he's not just going through the season having little idea what he's doing in there & just hanging on to Derrick (such as someone like Victoria even though she's awesome too for cute/funny reasons).

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't disagree that it could potentially be detrimental if he went to the end of the earth to keep some of his girls safe, but he just keeps letting them go out the door and soon he'll have nobody to flirt with (which is his primary game move currently.) I think the best way Cody could've played it is like how Derrick is with Victoria (he's doing his work to not have her nominated at all as we speak.)

Regardless, Cody's not in a bad position. It's just that Derrick has many one ups over Cody that Cody doesn't even realize yet.

[Anaesthesia]

Mine have completely changed after Nic left...now I would like to see Donny, Zach and Caleb. Not sure anyone would stand a chance against Donny in F2 though, and in all likelihood the F3 will be Cody, Derrick and Frankie, with Cody and Derrick F2.

[Raph]

Mine still hasn't changed too much - I'd still like Hayden and Victoria. But I'd replace Cody/Derrick with Zach for third place

[reece(:]

mine: Donny, Nicole and Zach.

[Liam-]

Mine is still Cody, Derrick and Zach, but i'm slowly coming around to the idea of Caleb replacing Derrick

[AarynGriesfan]

Nicole Donny and Zach! It can still happen maybe!

[Anaesthesia]

Nicole Donny and Zach! It can still happen maybe!

I would love this.

[Firewire]

Zach, Nicole and Donny

If Nicole doesn't return, Zach, Donny and Victoria (I guess)

[LukeB]

anyone but frankie

[JerseyWins]

As of right now, since recently changing my mind to wanting Zach to win, I want a Zach, Donny, Victoria final with Zach beating out Vic in the end. But then I'd feel really bad for Donny taking 3rd. :sad:

That is very, very unlikely though.

I would also still be really happy to see the final 3 I've wanted for a very long time now: Cody, Derrick, Zach with either Cody/Zach or Cody/Derrick in the final.