Lets be honest Ashleigh does create divides

[daniel-lewis-1985]

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

[Lstan]

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

I think both helen and ashleigh are in control and hold control of the house and are equal in that respect, they both appear to be the heads of either side hence tonights show. But i am being a bit of a captain obvious now so i apologise.

[Creggle]

It's difficult though when Helen does the same but more vocal, Ashleigh seems to like Ash and Pav somewhat, I just think it's being around Helen she can't stand. They are both as bad as one another for his whole divide debacle though, they got on for a week and it was quite good. :notimpressed:

[jessicadanielle]

I think Ashleigh and Helen are equally responsible for the divide, along with a number of other hms, but Helen has much more power over her friends than Ashleigh ever has in my opinion.

Both Helen and Steven had to bring up Chris in the trial thing claiming he's something to do with it when it was about Helen or Ashleigh. That in itself was sort of pitching them as a group against their own group. They made a point of the divide.

Also on a slightly unrelated note, Ashleigh accepted some responsibility for the divide while Helen just seemed to act like she had played no part in any disharmony in the house, which surely even she can see is completely untrue. Ashleigh's acceptance of some role in the divide showed more maturity, and Helen's complete unwillingness to accept any part in it sounded like guilt to me.

[Samm]

Let be honest she doesn't

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Let be honest she doesn't

What a pointless contribution but thanks anyway.

[Lstan]

It's difficult though when Helen does the same but more vocal, Ashleigh seems to like Ash and Pav somewhat, I just think it's being around Helen she can't stand. They are both as bad as one another for his whole divide debacle though, they got on for a week and it was quite good. :notimpressed:

pretty much.

[Lstan]

What a pointless contribution but thanks anyway.

:hehe:

[Lstan]

I think Ashleigh and Helen are equally responsible for the divide, along with a number of other hms, but Helen has much more power over her friends than Ashleigh ever has in my opinion.



I think since last week/maybe 2 weeks ago its changed and recently they are similar in this way even though they go about it in different ways-which maybe is inevitiable as there are only 6 of them left.

[MrWong]

Do you seek out aggressive people to be friends with?

I avoid them personally.

Helen's actions create the divide.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Do you seek out aggressive people to be friends with?

I avoid them personally.

Helen's actions create the divide.

Well Helens had more friends so obviously people must "seek out aggression".

[LukeB]

Let be honest she doesn't

:clap1:

[Samm]

What a pointless contribution but thanks anyway.

No it isn't I'm saying my opinion she doesn't no need to make a massive paragraph

[Miranda123]

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

She has totally ostracised herself deliberately, and why does an 18 year old girl think everything thats fun is 'immature'.................she should be joining in when they break open a door and run in the camera runs, she should be first in the queue to play pranks or jump in the pool or just have a laugh

she's too busy pulling a nasty face or slating everyone else in the house to have any fun, and constantly harping on about wanting to go home.....

when she's says in the DR that she's having fun.I think "well tell your face for f.ck sake"

I think she is 18 but acting like an 80 year old, she needs to get a grip and have a life

[Brother Leon]

Of course she does. The Divide is mostly down to her imo. Helen gets the blame for being the more aggressive though obviously.

[MrWong]

Well Helens had more friends so obviously people must "seek out aggression".

She doesn't target her friends.

Blow smoke up her arse and your fine.

[Miranda123]

Of course she does. The Divide is mostly down to her imo. Helen gets the blame for being the more aggressive though obviously.

most of Helens arguments are funny though, I didnt like the one with Danielle, cause I didnt like Helen then but now she cracks me up when she starts ranting, and when Ash starts taking the piss out of her while she's ranting and it makes her smile and immediately calms her down and makes her see it for what it is...................Ash is a sweetheart

[LukeB]

Of course she does. The Divide is mostly down to her imo. Helen gets the blame for being the more aggressive though obviously.

helens guilty end of

[ruiphillips]

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

[sungrass]

Yeah today has been a very useful episode. I cant vote for either Ashleigh or Helen. Neither of them deserve to win - who does?! This series is impossible.
None of them are likable.

[Miranda123]

She doesn't target her friends.

Blow smoke up her arse and your fine.

Is that like a colonic irrigation but without the fizz??

thats Ashleigh, full of sh.t and no fizz lol

[Forgetmenot]

I think Ashleigh and Helen are equally responsible for the divide, along with a number of other hms, but Helen has much more power over her friends than Ashleigh ever has in my opinion.

Both Helen and Steven had to bring up Chris in the trial thing claiming he's something to do with it when it was about Helen or Ashleigh. That in itself was sort of pitching them as a group against their own group. They made a point of the divide.

Also on a slightly unrelated note, Ashleigh accepted some responsibility for the divide while Helen just seemed to act like she had played no part in any disharmony in the house, which surely even she can see is completely untrue. Ashleigh's acceptance of some role in the divide showed more maturity, and Helen's complete unwillingness to accept any part in it sounded like guilt to me. Nonsense! It was a really stupid nasty cruel idea to have this court thing and I dislike the woman put up as ''Judge" emencely, she, along with BB should be deeply ashamed of them selves.disgusting thing to do to any one.

[joeysteele]

She has totally ostracised herself deliberately, and why does an 18 year old girl think everything thats fun is 'immature'.................she should be joining in when they break open a door and run in the camera runs, she should be first in the queue to play pranks or jump in the pool or just have a laugh

she's too busy pulling a nasty face or slating everyone else in the house to have any fun, and constantly harping on about wanting to go home.....

when she's says in the DR that she's having fun.I think "well tell your face for f.ck sake"

I think she is 18 but acting like an 80 year old, she needs to get a grip and have a life

Great post Miranda and I agree with all Daniel said in the op too.

She is amazingly downbeat for an 18 year old and has contributed in my view as much to divides in t e house as anyone else.

[billy123]

Yeah today has been a very useful episode. I cant vote for either Ashleigh or Helen. Neither of them deserve to win - who does?! This series is impossible.
None of them are likable.At least Helen wears her heart on her sleave whereas Ashleigh is a devious nasty little cow who sneaks around spitting her poison.

[Miranda123]

helens guilty end of

you should get that printed on a t shirt for all the good it will do ya lol

[jessicadanielle]

Nonsense! It was a really stupid nasty cruel idea to have this court thing and I dislike the woman put up as ''Judge" emencely, she, along with BB should be deeply ashamed of them selves.disgusting thing to do to any one.

I hated the court idea too especially in the final week, it was unfair to both Helen and Ashleigh, especially considering every housemate who is on one side of the divide has some part to play in it. But I'm not sure how any of what you said makes my post nonsense?

[MrWong]

Is that like a colonic irrigation but without the fizz??

thats Ashleigh, full of sh.t and no fizz lol

You seem to know more about it than me.

Problems with your bowels? :D

[Achilles]

Helen and her nasty gang cause the divide because they are nasty people. People have such memories and forget the start of the show? When Helen and her nasty gang bullied Christopher and Jale? Funny how people forget that.
We KNOW the reason she didn't like them. Christopher is Irish and Jale is fat. She called Jale slug. Helen is nasty scum. It is depressing that people defend her and even more depressing that people support her.

[Miranda123]

You seem to know more about it than me.

Problems with your bowels? :D

nothing a bowl of prunes wont solve thanks lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least Helen wears her heart on her sleave whereas Ashleigh is a devious nasty little cow who sneaks around spitting her poison.

thats not a heart its an implant that fell out of her boob

[Marsh.]

I just don't see why it all needed dragging up. The house would've been fine.

Give them a few tasks and let them enjoy the final week.

But, no, BB thinks they can't have a moment when manufactured drama isn't a part of the show.

[jessicadanielle]

Well Helens had more friends so obviously people must "seek out aggression".

People are friends with Helen through fear, that is really clear. She chooses her friends based on her perception of "coolness", and once they're rammed right up her arse and never questioning a thing she does, she's pretty nice to them, and shows less aggression. Pav even said it tonight! He perceives her to be less aggressive now that he's up her arse.

The reason she doesn't like Ashleigh is because she's one of few hms who won't take her sh*t. I've met many people who are the same... They'll be your friend if you let them boss you about, and will turn on you the minute you say no.

[MrWong]

thats not a heart its an implant that fell out of her boob

:joker:

[Marsh.]

People are friends with Helen through fear

No. No they're not.

[MrWong]

People are friends with Helen through fear, that is really clear. She chooses her friends based on her perception of "coolness", and once they're rammed right up her arse and never questioning a thing she does, she's pretty nice to them, and shows less aggression. Pav even said it tonight! He perceives her to be less aggressive now that he's up her arse.

The reason she doesn't like Ashleigh is because she's one of few hms who won't take her sh*t. I've met many people who are the same... They'll be your friend if you let them boss you about, and will turn on you the minute you say no.

:clap1:

[Vanessa]

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

I agree. All she does is sit with Chris and bitch behind people's backs.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

Since when is Chris positive?

This is the guy who constantly bitches about everyone in the diary room, complains he doesn't want to be there and took the 15k for himself.

[jessicadanielle]

No. No they're not.

Oh, Jale must have become friends with her after the Slugsworth stuff because she's such a warm soul and so welcoming.. :crazy:

[Miranda123]

Helen and her nasty gang cause the divide because they are nasty people. People have such memories and forget the start of the show? When Helen and her nasty gang bullied Christopher and Jale? Funny how people forget that.
We KNOW the reason she didn't like them. Christopher is Irish and Jale is fat. She called Jale slug. Helen is nasty scum. It is depressing that people defend her and even more depressing that people support her.

your memory seems a little shaky there

Helen was a nasty cow when she was friends with Pauline and Toya, when Pauling went, Helen started to distance herself from the nasty Toya, and while Toya and Ashleigh were bullying Danielle (by keeping her from mixing with others) Helen was busy getting to know the fun people better. You seem to forget that Pauline and Toya were the main bullies of Christopher & Jale and Pauline with Chris too. Helen made a few nasty comments but ultimately was mixing with everyone. Toya decided her little crew would not be allowed to mix with the others and thats when the divide began. Toyas nightmare tirade at Christopher, in the bedroom, with ashleigh sitting there, was the most disgusting type of bullying but you seem to forget that
Ashleigh wasnt even there for the first few weeks for most of us, but once she showed herself, it was to be a nasty little bitch, which is why she fitted in with Toya, Matthew & Pauline so well. If pointless pav and that stupid Zoe had stuck to their plan and voted Ashleigh out, I think danielle would have had a great time for once in 9 weeks!!

[Marsh.]

Oh, Jale must have become friends with her after the Slugsworth stuff because she's such a warm soul and so welcoming.. :crazy:

Jale isn't "everyone" my dear.

Pauline, Ash, Kim, Stephen, Zoe, Biannca, Tamara, Marlon. They weren't scared of her.

[Marsh.]

Since when is Chris positive?

This is the guy who constantly bitches about everyone in the diary room, complains he doesn't want to be there and took the 15k for himself.

Exactly. He's been negative from the start.

[Kazanne]

People are friends with Helen through fear, that is really clear. She chooses her friends based on her perception of "coolness", and once they're rammed right up her arse and never questioning a thing she does, she's pretty nice to them, and shows less aggression. Pav even said it tonight! He perceives her to be less aggressive now that he's up her arse.

The reason she doesn't like Ashleigh is because she's one of few hms who won't take her sh*t. I've met many people who are the same... They'll be your friend if you let them boss you about, and will turn on you the minute you say no.

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

[Brother Leon]

Helen and her nasty gang cause the divide because they are nasty people. People have such memories and forget the start of the show? When Helen and her nasty gang bullied Christopher and Jale? Funny how people forget that.
We KNOW the reason she didn't like them. Christopher is Irish and Jale is fat. She called Jale slug. Helen is nasty scum. It is depressing that people defend her and even more depressing that people support her.

You would also remember that Ashleigh played a part in the isolation of Jale too...

[Miranda123]

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

its getting rather silly now isnt it Kaz, methinks Ashleigh fans (the ones she has left) are shaking in their kickers lol

[billy123]

You would also remember that Ashleigh played a part in the isolation of Jale too...That gets conveniently swept under the carpet. :thumbs:

[Vanessa]

its getting rather silly now isnt it Kaz, methinks Ashleigh fans (the ones she has left) are shaking in their kickers lol

I wouldn't want to be friends with Ashleigh. She reminds me of those Mean Girls from that movie.

[Achilles]

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

Exactly. Helen and the nasty gang all like each other because they are nasty. Nasty people stick together

[Crimson Dynamo]

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

I seem to recall that most of history's dictators had many friends and acolytes

The Kray Twins had hundreds of friends

[Liam-]

I seem to recall that most of history's dictators had many friends and acolytes

The Kray Twins had hundreds of friends

Are you seriously comparing Helen and her friends to the Kray twins? Fml :joker:

[Amy Jade]

She was the soul cause of the divide. Kimberly repeatedly tried to involve Ashleigh and Danielle in the bigger group and help them feel more accepted and her efforts were rebuffed with scorn from them both.

The only person Helen alienated was Jale and she said sorry and got to know Jale well after.

[Amy Jade]

Exactly. Helen and the nasty gang all like each other because they are nasty. Nasty people stick together

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

[jessicadanielle]

Jale isn't "everyone" my dear.

Pauline, Ash, Kim, Stephen, Zoe, Biannca, Tamara, Marlon. They weren't scared of her.

I didn't say "everyone" so kind of silly to put that in quotation marks, but yes I'll agree not all of those people were friends with her through fear. But I really believe that Kim and Tamara both took the role of submissive sidekick to Helen. You could argue that fear is a strong word, but I think it plays a role. A few hms have also brought this up iirc.

Further, I wouldn't say they're just friends with Helen through fear, but behave in certain ways because of it. Lots of people have agreed that Ash was up her arse for ages and would never ever admit she'd done wrong. I think Pav nominated Winston instead of Ash face to face because of fear of her reaction.

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

It isn't ridiculous or silly so please don't say that. Plenty of people remain in friendships and relationships through fear, or behave in certain ways simply to appease a stronger character. I haven't long since left school, where some friendship group hierarchies are built around a dominant character who other people are scared of.

[Josy]

She does create divides and secludes herself yeah, she has isolated herself from very early on in the series, which she admitted to herself during that court task but I see they conveniently left that out of the highlights.

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

Like Danielle? because her and Ashleigh were nowhere near being 'positive people' when they were together in the pod bitching about everyone else with faces like thunder.

[jessicadanielle]

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

Steven's relentless battering of Chris now that he's been evicted, even in a task about Helen and Ashleigh, is pretty nasty

[Vanessa]

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

Everyone in there is nasty, except Saint Ashleigh. :angel:

[MB.]

when was Steven nasty?

Is that a serious question? If so, refer to today's highlights for starters

[Babschap]

No she don't, it Helen who causes a divide.

[Amy Jade]

Steven's relentless battering of Chris now that he's been evicted, even in a task about Helen and Ashleigh, is pretty nasty

How was it? he said the truth and nothing but. It was also as part of a task.

Are you denying Chris and Ashleigh sit on their beds slagging people off? like seriously?

[Amy Jade]

Is that a serious question? If so, refer to today's highlights for starters

That was part of a task and what did he say that was nasty? it was all true and that's why you don't like it.

[LukeB]

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

steven got voted out:hehe:

[Amy Jade]

Everyone in there is nasty, except Saint Ashleigh. :angel:

Opps silly me I forgot the dun shines out of her arse. :hehe:

[Vanessa]

How was it? he said the truth and nothing but. It was also as part of a task.

Are you denying Chris and Ashleigh sit on their beds slagging people off? like seriously?

I think Chris and Ashleigh create the divide. They hardly ever mix with the group.

[Amy Jade]

I think Chris and Ashleigh create the divide. They hardly ever mix with the group.

I think Ashleigh and Danielle started it but Chris took over once Danielle went and it has just gotten deeper since.

The common denominator being miserable Ashleigh.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Ashleigh isolating herself (I don't even know why this is a big deal, I suspect most people would in that kind of situation) really only accounts for the divide between Helen and Ashleigh. With everyone else, it's all about Helen's actions. How Helen treated Chris, how Helen treated Danielle, how Helen treated Christopher, how Helen treated Jale early on, etc. It was never Ashleigh and her clique against Helen and her clique.

[Vanessa]

I think Ashleigh and Danielle started it but Chris took over once Danielle went and it has just gotten deeper since.

Helen has always mixed with the group.

[Amy Jade]

steven got voted out:hehe:

Irrelevant but nice try at baiting me :thumbs:

[MrWong]

Judi "Ashleigh, did you cause the divide?"

Ashleigh "I'm partly responsible"

Judi "Helen did you cause the divide?"

Helen "No, it's not my fault"

The delusion. :facepalm:

[Marsh.]

I didn't say "everyone" so kind of silly to put that in quotation marks, but yes I'll agree not all of those people were friends with her through fear. But I really believe that Kim and Tamara both took the role of submissive sidekick to Helen. You could argue that fear is a strong word, but I think it plays a role. A few hms have also brought this up iirc.

Further, I wouldn't say they're just friends with Helen through fear, but behave in certain ways because of it. Lots of people have agreed that Ash was up her arse for ages and would never ever admit she'd done wrong. I think Pav nominated Winston instead of Ash face to face because of fear of her reaction.


Because you said all of her friends, so silly of you to be pedantic about it.

"I think" "I believe" not actual proof. Pav nominating Winston was no surprise, he hasn't got on with Winston at all, Winston was the one more openly wary with him. Ash being up her arse is how some 'friends' are. No suggestion it comes from fear of any kind.

[Marsh.]

Judi "Ashleigh, did you cause the divide?"

Ashleigh "I'm partly responsible"

Judi "Helen did you cause the divide?"

Helen "No, it's not my fault"

The delusion. :facepalm:

Yeah, that Judi wants sectioning.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I wouldn't want to be friends with Ashleigh. She reminds me of those Mean Girls from that movie.

BUT YOU ARE A HELEN FAN the blind bias is so laughably absurd

[jessicadanielle]

How was it? he said the truth and nothing but. It was also as part of a task.

Are you denying Chris and Ashleigh sit on their beds slagging people off? like seriously?

No I'm not denying that they do that, but EVERY other person in the house has slagged someone off before, and I don't see how that is a problem (unless they were saying something really out of order). Of course people are gonna call people names and vent about their annoyances to other hms. Helen's group slags Ashleigh's group off just as much as Ashleigh's group slags Helen's group off.

I believe what Steven did was nasty because it was uncalled for. Firstly, it made it seem like it was just the two of them that do it. When Matthew spoke, he just spoke about his own experience with Helen in the house, because that is all that was needed. When Steven spoke, he just had to bring up things that are "outsider knowledge" in an attempt to make them seem worse than they are.

Secondly, the task wasn't about Chris, it was about Ashleigh and Helen. There was no need to bring up anything about Chris.

[JCrow]

For the most part, I think Ashleigh removes herself because Helen jumps on everything she says, all the F'ing time. Helen is just waiting for her to say anything in the hopes that she can say some horrid thing and grin her evil grin and have a laugh with her brood about it. So, if you really think about it, its still pretty much Helens doing. For the most part.

[Vanessa]

BUT YOU ARE A HELEN FAN the blind bias is so laughably absurd

I just don't like Ashleigh.

[jessicadanielle]

Because you said all of her friends, so silly of you to be pedantic about it.

"I think" "I believe" not actual proof. Pav nominating Winston was no surprise, he hasn't got on with Winston at all, Winston was the one more openly wary with him. Ash being up her arse is how some 'friends' are. No suggestion it comes from fear of any kind.

I'm not being pedantic.. I said people are friends with Helen through fear, not everyone.

And this is a forum where we can express opinions, so me saying that I think they're friends with Helen through fear is just as valid as you saying you don't think they're friends with her through fear.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I just don't like Ashleigh.

Obviously, but saying Ashleigh is like one of those girls from the movie Mean Girls and then championing a Helen victory is laughably contradictory.

[Mystic Mock]

They've both helped cause the divide tbf, but I don't like how certain people just pile all the blame on Helen all because Ashleigh is out of this world attractive and 18 years old, she's a young adult so she should be as equally responsible for this divide as Helen is.

[Vanessa]

Obviously, but saying Ashleigh is like one of those girls from the movie Mean Girls and then championing a Helen victory is laughably contradictory.

I much prefer Helen, because at least she admits it when she's wrong.

[Marsh.]

I'm not being pedantic.. I said people are friends with Helen through fear, not everyone.

Yes, every one of her friends. But be pedantic all you wish. :idc:

[Robodog]

Ashleigh 100% started the divide between her and Helen !

She started off bitching with Danielle calling Helen 'vile human being' etc (Helen said nothing about Ashleigh like that at this point in the series)

But then it REALLY kicked in with Ashleigh's 'evil plan' to exclude Helen from all the girls and manipulate them into not saving Ash

Helen had no problem with Ashleigh until she heard that in the gossip app task (and also the morgue when BB showed them snippets of Ashleigh's bitching)

Ashleigh started on Helen first. No question. We all saw it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

They've both helped cause the divide tbf, but I don't like how certain people just pile all the blame on Helen all because Ashleigh is out of this world attractive and 18 years old, she's a young adult so she should be as equally responsible for this divide as Helen is.

I don't think that's why people don't blame Ashleigh, that's not why I don't at least. Helen being an obnoxious bitch and Ashleigh isolating herself from said obnoxious bitch explains why those two never got along. But until very recently, Ashleigh was never in a power position in the house to enforce any sort of divide on a larger scale. Helen's pretty much been The Power Housemate socially speaking the whole game courtesy of Pauline giving her a pass to the final, and the divide pretty much resonated from how Helen treated anyone who wasn't on her side.

[MrWong]

I much prefer Helen, because at least she admits it when she's wrong.

Ashleigh admitted being part in the divide.

Helen outright denied it.

[Vanessa]

Ashleigh admitted being part in the divide.

Helen outright denied it.

I don't think helen causes the divide.

[Mystic Mock]

BUT YOU ARE A HELEN FAN the blind bias is so laughably absurd

And you're an Ashleigh fan so you won't agree about any of her faults that other fandoms see with the girl.

[MrWong]

Ashleigh 100% started the divide between her and Helen !

She started off bitching with Danielle calling Helen 'vile human being' etc (Helen said nothing about Ashleigh like that at this point in the series)

But then it REALLY kicked in with Ashleigh's 'evil plan' to exclude Helen from all the girls and manipulate them into not saving Ash

Helen had no problem with Ashleigh until she heard that in the gossip app task (and also the morgue when BB showed them snippets of Ashleigh's bitching)

Ashleigh started on Helen first. No question. We all saw it.

Ashleigh has eyes and saw how Helen treated others. She was a vile human being those first few weeks, which is why she had hardly any support outside the house.

Helen doesn't need to start on Ashleigh for Ashleigh to dislike her. Watching her be nasty about others was more than enough to form a negative opinion of Helen.

[Tom4784]

Ashleigh's reactions are a response to Helen's aggression. Why should Ashleigh be expected to offer Helen an olive branch when Helen's been nothing but a rampaging bitch to her and her friends? If Helen knew how to act like a human being then there wouldn't be such a big divide in that house as she wouldn't have alienated most of the housemates. Helen likes to blame everyone but herself even though she has been the main catalyst for all the trouble.

[Macie Lightfoot]

And you're an Ashleigh fan so you won't agree about any of her faults that other fandoms see with the girl.

Actually, I've said plenty of times that Ashleigh is a bit of a stank bitch so idk what your point is

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't think helen causes the divide.

Helen's been in the power seat the whole time, the divide came because of how she treated Danielle, how she initially treated Jale, how she treated Ashleigh, how she treated Chris, how she treated Christopher, etc.

[Mystic Mock]

Actually, I've said plenty of times that Ashleigh is a bit of a stank bitch so idk what your point is

I was responding to your post on here, and I don't get how you can attack Vanessa for having “blind bias” towards Helen when quite a few of a certain fandom have been way worse for it with their favourite.

[jessicadanielle]

Ashleigh 100% started the divide between her and Helen !

She started off bitching with Danielle calling Helen 'vile human being' etc (Helen said nothing about Ashleigh like that at this point in the series)

But then it REALLY kicked in with Ashleigh's 'evil plan' to exclude Helen from all the girls and manipulate them into not saving Ash

Helen had no problem with Ashleigh until she heard that in the gossip app task (and also the morgue when BB showed them snippets of Ashleigh's bitching)

Ashleigh started on Helen first. No question. We all saw it.

Ashleigh started a divide between herself and Helen, but Helen started the divide between the entire house.

Why was Ashleigh calling her vile? Because of the way she was picking on hms she didn't deem cool enough to be in her own group, banging around the house as if she owned the place, and generally showing aggression in confrontational situations. The things she said about Danielle were honestly awful. If you don't want people to dislike you, then don't be a dick to them and their friends.

Just because Ashleigh slated Helen first doesn't mean she instigated the full house divide. Helen did that all on her own in my opinion (with the help of Pauline maybe!)

[Macie Lightfoot]

I was responding to your post on here, and I don't get how you can attack Vanessa for having “blind bias” towards Helen when quite a few of a certain fandom have been way worse for it with their favourite.

and I've called out those people too, because people like Achilles and Vanessa are just as bad as each other with turning every post into pro-Ashleigh/anti-Helen or pro-Helen/anti-Ashleigh.

[FlippingEck]

I don't believe Helen HAS caused a divide to be honest... you are more than welcome to join her sitting and chatting, you just have to take her as you find her and play by her rules... that's not creating a divide!!!

[Mystic Mock]

and I've called out those people too, because people like Achilles and Vanessa are just as bad as each other with turning every post into pro-Ashleigh/anti-Helen or pro-Helen/anti-Ashleigh.

Okay fair enough you're a sane member then, we're short of them at the minute lol.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't believe Helen HAS caused a divide to be honest... you are more than welcome to join her sitting and chatting, you just have to take her as you find her and play by her rules... that's not creating a divide!!!

So you're basically admitting that Helen can't interact with anyone on terms other than her own, gotcha.

[user104658]

SERIOUSLY, the only reasonable assessment of the situation is that they (and plenty of others in the house) are responsible for the divide. It's absurd to blame one or the other. Danielle, Chris, Steven, Kimberly, Toya, Jale... you can even rewind back to the very beginning and throw Pauline in there - she was the very first instigator of division in the house. In fact, I think people have forgotten that "Pauline effect", I genuinely think that in her short time there she did a lot to set the tone for the entire series. She threw a massive spanner into that (very important) initial "bonding period" in the first few weeks and it all snowballed from there. Pauline: J'accuse!!!

As for the two on trial... Helen could be considered the cause because she's been aggressive and cliquey and that's the main reason that some have disliked her and have stayed away from her. Or Ashleigh could be blamed because she has never really been interested in properly trying to sort it out. But then, Helen doesn't HAVE to like everyone, there's nothing inherently "wrong" with being cliquey. And there's likewise nothing wrong with not being arsed about making an effort with someone you aren't really interested in getting along with.

They're both to blame but there is no "blame"... I personally am not a big believer in the whole "everyone should get along!" thing. It's OK for people to just not like each other!

[Vladimir]

Ashleigh's reactions are a response to Helen's aggression. Why should Ashleigh be expected to offer Helen an olive branch when Helen's been nothing but a rampaging bitch to her and her friends? If Helen knew how to act like a human being then there wouldn't be such a big divide in that house as she wouldn't have alienated most of the housemates. Helen likes to blame everyone but herself even though she has been the main catalyst for all the trouble.

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[EdemMusic]

I disagree. Helen has been the cause of the divide, its blatantly obvious, Judge Judy James hit the nail on the head.

[tanussa]

I have enjoyed reading this thread, nice to feel the beginnings of a turn around - helen or ash to win

[Robodog]

Helen had some rows with Jale, Matthew, Danielle but not with Ashleigh.

Ashleigh was the one who started on Helen - not the other way round.

But as for who created the divide?

Big Brother of course !

With tasks like 'the gossip app' and 'the morgue'. It was BB who 'created' the divide.

And tonight's task just reinforced it.

[Kazanne]

its getting rather silly now isnt it Kaz, methinks Ashleigh fans (the ones she has left) are shaking in their kickers lol

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[tanussa]

shes not really a judge so she can let her biased opinion rule, she'd already made her mind up who was guilty, if u watch bbbots she tries to. be impartial, but its obvious she likes ashleigh

[tanussa]

Helen had some rows with Jale, Matthew, Danielle but not with Ashleigh.

Ashleigh was the one who started on Helen - not the other way round.

But as for who created the divide?

Big Brother of course !

With tasks like 'the gossip app' and 'the morgue'. It was BB who 'created' the divide.

And tonight's task just reinforced it.

you do have a point, they do instigate trouble, have done it more series than any before

[Jack_]

Even if she has created the divide (which I don't believe, Helen's dominance has created it) then that's a good thing? I'm not sure why that task and this forum and BOTS etc are debating it like it's a negative. Divides are a good thing, they make the show more interesting. Hence why I thank Helen for it

[Marsh.]

Even if she has created the divide (which I don't believe, Helen's dominance has created it) then that's a good thing? I'm not sure why that task and this forum and BOTS etc are debating it like it's a negative. Divides are a good thing, they make the show more interesting. Hence why I thank Helen for it

My problem with it was the need to pile all the blame onto one housemate, when the truth of it was it wasn't even just Helen and Ashleigh who contributed to it but almost everyone.

It's what happens in Big Brother and yet the task made out it was either Ashleigh or Helen who brought this never before seen phenomena into Big Brother.

Who'd have thought it? You put 16 strangers in a house together, some of which won't get on and therefore won't stay around each other. :joker:

[Christmas time]

Ashleigh has eyes and saw how Helen treated others. She was a vile human being those first few weeks, which is why she had hardly any support outside the house.

Helen doesn't need to start on Ashleigh for Ashleigh to dislike her. Watching her be nasty about others was more than enough to form a negative opinion of Helen.

And I suppose ashley is a saint ? Disowned two of her best mates ... constantly miserable. ... evicted one of her mates giving a very poor excuse .... bitched about kimberley constantly behind her back.... yeah what a role model....



TEAM HELEN
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[AarynGriesfan]

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

[Robodog]

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

No, the point of the forum is to continue the debate as much as we like.

It wasn't a real court of law, you know.

[Creggle]

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

By Judy James of all people! :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

Yeah, Judi James' bias is fact and no one else can possibly be right. :umm2:

[Kizzy]

Stupid old crone judy! :fist:

[Marsh.]

Stupid old crone judy! :fist:

Drag that weave!

[JCrow]

Helen and her brood often say that Ashleigh and her friends always go sit in a corner and slag people off behind their backs. Hmm...doesn't EVERY single HM do that at some point? Helen is the most guilty of this too. Mostly because everyone but her brood leaves when she comes or Helen waits until they leave to begin her bashing. Its a constant too. If you don't believe it watch the season over again. Its a stupid point to use in an argument because everyone is guilty. Helen is just the worst because she is often cruel with her comments both face to face and behind their backs. Also Helen is NOT honest and real as so many like to say, both on the show and on forums. She is a grade A b***c. I looked up 'Honest' in the dictionary for those who like to associate that word with Helen. HONEST: 1-Honorable in principles, intentions, and actions; upright and fair. 2-Respectable; having a good reputation. I've seen none of this in Helen. Please don't tell me it because she got a bad edit. We've seen hours and hours of her and its not there that I saw. Also don't point out the fake crap she doled out to try and win some kind of favor. when you hug someone and couple that with an eye-roll or a bitch fest it doesn't count. I actually thought Ash and Pav were going to help Helen out by being honest with her after the Judgment. Pav sort of, kind of went there but fell a bit short. She needs friends and family to be honest with her. Tough love.