BOB ruined this season. Plz confirm

[Bluerang1]

It gave a reason for the misogynists to target females as "weaker players" so that they would stay HOH and not get blood on their hands until the twist ended. It hasn't ended yet and has resulted in a horrible and sexists boot-list.

It robbed us of the show ending right after the nominations were revealed.

It robbed us of the nomination block (RIP).

[Firewire]

It should have ended last week, why did they need to bring it back? They ended MVP week 6. Nicole has been ****ed over because she won HOH first (Christine only answered one question) yet Nicole is going home this week.

[Firewire]

Also, I miss the end of Sunday's episode nominations section when all the keys are pulled.

[Jack_]

It's annoyed me more for the last two reasons than the first tbh, I miss the key pulling so much :( the fact we're only going to get like 4/5 regular noms ceremonies sucks so ****ing much

There's no reason why it should still be going, we're at jury it should be over :bored:

I don't mind the actual twist but it's gone on way too long

[JerseyWins]

I like the twist but yeah 100% should've ended on the double eviction episode if not even the week before it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Oh ****, absolutely. If you want to remain HoH you can't nominate any "strong players" (ie men) because they'll win BotB and come after you, it's next to impossible to make a power move, and all it's allowed is for a group of boring males with similarly abhorrent personalities to be complacent and sit pretty. This season has been complete garbage because of it.

[JTM45]

I don't think it was meant to go on as long as this but i think they kept it going because Frankie was in danger and it's easier to manipulate situations with the BOB still in place.

I was also amazed that they let Frankie and Christine leave the house to go to a football game!!!! Wouldn't be surprised if that was so Frankie could have a meet-up with his people.

So yeah, the BOB has been awful for the Season but i think putting in a houseguest like Frankie who potentially has a load of his sister's fans that will get behind him so even if he does get evicted they'll probably decide who gets to go back in via a public vote.
Also for him, when he realized how much he was in trouble in there, to be allowed to suddenly come up with the lie that he's playing for charity to build schools for poor African kids in an attempt to emotionally blackmail the other houseguests into not evicting him is absolute bullsh*t!!!

Terrible season that's only getting worse!!!:bored:

[reece(:]

It's ruined the season.

[AarynGriesfan]

It was one of the leading causes for sure. Casting Frankie Grande also ruined it.

[Danny.]

It was one of the leading causes for sure. Casting Frankie Grande also ruined it.

:joker::joker::clap1::clap1::clap1: I agree so much!

[Pete.]

The whole 2 HoH's was messy

[Braden]

The reason it's still going is to give Frankie more opportunity to stay imo.

[Raph]

Casting Frankie grande is the biggest mistake about this series. I don't mind the twist actually, I've really enjoyed seeing an extra competition per week

[Anaesthesia]

It was one of the leading causes for sure. Casting Frankie Grande also ruined it.

100%. Please get rid NOW. (Both BOB and Frankie :) )

I don't agree that it's a terrible season though. Mediocre at worst. If Donny, Nicole, Christine or even Caleb win, I'd be happy. These situations can turn, people...

[JerseyWins]

I wouldn't say it's favoring "stronger" people but it IS kinda favoring alliances because you can have 2 as HOH and put one of each of the alliances' top two targets on the block on opposite sides. Making it very easy for one of the targets to go home. On top of that, after getting that easier way to take out a top threat, you still get one of those two group members back in the next HOH competition again.

They weren't screwed from the start from this twist, they were screwed from the start by being put against a relatively loyal alliance of 8 from the start. And that's just good gameplay on any season (being so many people was a bit ridiculous but the smarter ones formed a 5-person alliance in The Detonators after that so yeah).

[JerseyWins]

But anyway from an entertainment standpoint, an extra competition each week has been fun and so has the different strategies going into nominations. Definitely does need to end ASAP now tho.

[Anaesthesia]

Know what, JerseyWins? Your prior post was very good, and it actually made me think that the only reason I hate this is because I seriously dislike most of the players that are IN that alliance. Had it been a bit more balanced I think I would have been fine with it ;)

[JerseyWins]

:thumbs: And I know what you mean, I felt that way last season not liking Amanda's group of her, Andy & McCrae (and whoever else they included at a bunch of different points). They did have similar strengths, though and did a lot of things right. Just completely played the Moving Company at the start. And what happened to the Moving Company could've easily happened again this year (especially cause of Devin) but they were smart enough to stick together and stay loyal. An alliance is an unfair advantage on any season but you still gotta keep the loyalty and play it smart regardless.

[Anaesthesia]

I think part of it for me is that it reminds me so strongly of s12 which I absolutely hated (apart from Brit) because of the Brigade. But I think I am going OT :)

So yeah. BOB sucks.

[Anaesthesia]

:thumbs: And I know what you mean, I felt that way last season not liking Amanda's group of her, Andy & McCrae (and whoever else they included at a bunch of different points). They did have similar strengths, though and did a lot of things right. Just completely played the Moving Company at the start. And what happened to the Moving Company could've easily happened again this year (especially cause of Devin) but they were smart enough to stick together and stay loyal. An alliance is an unfair advantage on any season but you still gotta keep the loyalty and play it smart regardless.

Ya, you're right. See, my emotions befuddle my sense of good gameplay, and that is why I love BBUS. :love:

[JerseyWins]

:shocked:

Season 12 wasn't the best to watch cause of it (wasn't that bad either :idc: ) but the Brigade was the beeeest. :joker:

Enzo :worship:

[Anaesthesia]

Haha....pffft :P

He was entertaining, I'll give you that ;)

:shocked:

Season 12 wasn't the best to watch cause of it (wasn't that bad either :idc: ) but the Brigade was the beeeest. :joker:

Enzo :worship:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I wouldn't say it's favoring "stronger" people but it IS kinda favoring alliances because you can have 2 as HOH and put one of each of the alliances' top two targets on the block on opposite sides. Making it very easy for one of the targets to go home. On top of that, after getting that easier way to take out a top threat, you still get one of those two group members back in the next HOH competition again.

They weren't screwed from the start from this twist, they were screwed from the start by being put against a relatively loyal alliance of 8 from the start. And that's just good gameplay on any season (being so many people was a bit ridiculous but the smarter ones formed a 5-person alliance in The Detonators after that so yeah).

It's absolutely favoring stronger people. The nominees have cycled through the same pairs of Brittany/Paola/Donny/Victoria/Jocasta because they've all been perceived as "weak" at one point or another. People have explicitly said they want to nominate two strong people but can't because then they'll win BotB and dethrone them as HoH. Everyone realized that if you want to remain HoH, the best bet is to nominate two weak people and then try to go for a backdoor. Just look at Nicole's full HoH week. Jocasta wouldn't have been close to being nominated, but she ended up being evicted because of it.

[JerseyWins]

That's still the case for every season (not putting up two strong players) because at least one will remain and go after you, and it puts both in the veto comp. Sure the BOTB might have made it a little more intimidating but come on. It's pretty much rare to see otherwise unless literally everyone hates the person (and then it's still usually a back door plan anyway). :shrug:

The other side of the house just didn't have the right people to stand up to the Bomb Squad / Detonators regardless of the twist. The alliance was the big factor in it being an unfair disadvantage for the others.

[armand.kay]

Could of been good if the house was spilt or something but yeah I hate bob

[armand.kay]

But I think what ruined the season was the cast not the twist.

[armand.kay]

And I don't see why females are seen as weak players when a lot of comps are won by women.

[Mokka]

I thought I would hate it when it first rolled out, but I am loving it actually. Casting is always the issue that spoils these shows. They have a cookie cutter idea of what types if personalities to put in and they insert slot A into B.

I have enjoyed this season b/c of BOB. Without it it would have become boring and predictable in week two.

[Macie Lightfoot]

That's still the case for every season (not putting up two strong players) because at least one will remain and go after you, and it puts both in the veto comp. Sure the BOTB might have made it a little more intimidating but come on. It's pretty much rare to see otherwise unless literally everyone hates the person (and then it's still usually a back door plan anyway). :shrug:

The other side of the house just didn't have the right people to stand up to the Bomb Squad / Detonators regardless of the twist. The alliance was the big factor in it being an unfair disadvantage for the others.

The idea of pawns certainly isn't foreign when making nominations, but BotB has pretty much made pawn synonymous with weak female who "can't win comps," despite having a better track record than the people making these claims.

And I don't see how females are seen as weak players when allot of comps are won by women.

cause all the guys are sexist pigs :((((((

I thought I would hate it when it first rolled out, but I am loving it actually. Casting is always the issue that spoils these shows. They have a cookie cutter idea of what types if personalities to put in and they insert slot A into B.

I have enjoyed this season b/c of BOB. Without it it would have become boring and predictable in week two.

yeah I mean it would be so boring and predictable to see something other than one alliance effortlessly pick off everyone else right

[Mokka]

yeah I mean it would be so boring and predictable to see something other than one alliance effortlessly pick off everyone else right

If that is how you feel, BB US is not the show for you. That is the way it has rolled out every time. That is why they all walk in looking for an Alliance.

I am just happy that this season, I liked the main character of the alliance for once.

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfao telling someone who has been watching BBUS longer than you that it's not the show for you okayyyyy (your statement isn't even true? It's not what happens all the time, at all. Production just thinks it's such a brilliant idea to show everyone BB12 and BB14 in sequester and those are the two worst seasons ever)

I mean what could be more exciting than watching a fun-sucking alliance of a bunch of same variety of douche guys and one ****ty girl pick off everyone else?

[armand.kay]

If that is how you feel, BB US is not the show for you. That is the way it has rolled out every time. That is why they all walk in looking for an Alliance.

I am just happy that this season, I liked the main character of the alliance for once.

Not really some of the best season are considered the best because if the constant power switch ie bb6 - 11 (:lovedup:) it wasn't just one main alliance picking everybody off until the end every week someone new would be in power and just when you thought someone was definitely gone they would somehow flip the house.

I'm not gonna blame this awful season on the twist because it isn't the twist the problem is the cast half of them are completely useless and are allowing themselves to be picked off.

[Mokka]

I'm not gonna blame this awful season on the twist because it isn't the twist the problem is the cast half of them are completely useless and are allowing the self to be picked off.

I just don't understand why everyone is hating on Derrick for Knowing what was what when he walked through the door, and for playing the game. Your point here is mine as well. The cast that have left, and some of those still in the house, have been the height of stupidity. How did they not see the alliance in front of them, or know that if they weren't in an alliance, they were toast???

Derrick was offered an alliance in the beginning, and he used it to his advantage. The guy has played this game and deserves the win. The rest are the bores.

[Mokka]

lmfao telling someone who has been watching BBUS longer than you that it's not the show for you okayyyyy (your statement isn't even true? It's not what happens all the time, at all. Production just thinks it's such a brilliant idea to show everyone BB12 and BB14 in sequester and those are the two worst seasons ever)

I mean what could be more exciting than watching a fun-sucking alliance of a bunch of same variety of douche guys and one ****ty girl pick off everyone else?

I don't know how long you have been watching BB, but it is less than or equal to what I have since I have followed from the beginning.
(note I have been a member of TIBB for longer than you as well.)

Alliances rule in American BB, end of. If half this year's cast came in to the house and didn't play in an alliance, they deserve to go.Those who don't play, can rest in jury.

Derrick for the WIN!!!!

[armand.kay]

I just don't understand why everyone is hating on Derrick for Knowing what was what when he walked through the door, and for playing the game. Your point here is mine as well. The cast that have left, and some of those still in the house, have been the height of stupidity. How did they not see the alliance in front of them, or know that if they weren't in an alliance, they were toast???

Derrick was offered an alliance in the beginning, and he used it to his advantage. The guy has played this game and deserves the win. The rest are the bores.

I don't like Derrick but I don't blame him. Like you said the fault is with the people who just sat they and did nothing while a very obvious alliance was in control.

[JTM45]

If Derrick was in a house with people who had any clue what they were doing he wouldn't have lasted five minutes! He's probably going to win purely by default and because of his huge, dumb alliance!
If Donnie had a couple of other decent people to ally up with (if Hayden and Nicole were still there!) he'd wipe the floor with Derrick! Donnie's done amazingly well and fought to stay in that house like nobody else with no-one else helping him. If there's anyone in there at the moment who really DESERVES to win then it's Donnie but we all know that BB US doesn't work like that. Last year's winner won by being a weasely little snitch, being carried to the end and then stabbing those who got him there in the back!

It's a real shame that being a good, respectful person with integrity gets you nowhere in BB US!!!

[JerseyWins]

If Donnie had a couple of other decent people to ally up with (if Hayden and Nicole were still there!) he'd wipe the floor with Derrick!
How can you give Hayden & Nicole any credit for being able to get that done? I almost feel like they could come back in this week (after both already being played by Derrick) and STILL not go after Derrick first. Let alone actually go for it if they were never evicted in the first place.

The house overall has been really dumb (Hayden & Nicole being near the top of that dumb list honestly, & I like Hayden as a person a lot) but at the same time, Derrick's been playing really smart. It's almost like Donny, and maybe Zach, are the only ones that have him figured out, but they don't do a good job of hiding that so Derrick knows and is now likely going to take each one out before they even have a chance to go for him first.

So yeah it does have a lot to do with hardly anyone knowing what they're doing but Derrick's definitely playing one of the best games in BB regardless. He knows who he needs out and somehow gets every single one of them out immediately. It's pretty crazy and you gotta give him credit regardless of the cast.

In the end, I still think Cody could win over Derrick as the sidekick no one targets in the end, but right now it's looking really good for Derrick if (when) Zach leaves.


I do hope Zach comes back in the house and gets something formed to take Derrick down tho :fc:

(Although I think he'd go for Frankie first now, which I would prefer anyway)

[Macie Lightfoot]

I just don't understand why everyone is hating on Derrick for Knowing what was what when he walked through the door, and for playing the game. Your point here is mine as well. The cast that have left, and some of those still in the house, have been the height of stupidity. How did they not see the alliance in front of them, or know that if they weren't in an alliance, they were toast???

Derrick was offered an alliance in the beginning, and he used it to his advantage. The guy has played this game and deserves the win. The rest are the bores.

People are hating on Derrick because he sucks the fun and the drama out of any room and is BORING most of all. The fact that you're calling the other people bores is laughable. Like, if you want to want to watch smart people do smart things or whatever, just go watch a chess match or read the Wikipedia summaries or something.

I don't know how long you have been watching BB, but it is less than or equal to what I have since I have followed from the beginning.
(note I have been a member of TIBB for longer than you as well.)

Alliances rule in American BB, end of. If half this year's cast came in to the house and didn't play in an alliance, they deserve to go.Those who don't play, can rest in jury.

Derrick for the WIN!!!!

Yes, because you have been a member of one of many BB forums for less than a year before I have, you automatically have the authority to tell me what show are and aren't for me. You certainly are the official BBUS adjudicator, congratulations.

Alliances don't rule BBUS, Grodner does. That's the thing that most perplexes me about people who watch "for the strategy" or whatever the ****. Strategy means nothing if you're not on production's good side. You can be the biggest diabolical super genius or whatever, but if Grodner and production hate you that doesn't matter in the slightest.

[Mokka]

How can you give Hayden & Nicole any credit for being able to get that done? I almost feel like they could come back in this week (after both already being played by Derrick) and STILL not go after Derrick first. Let alone actually go for it if they were never evicted in the first place.

The house overall has been really dumb (Hayden & Nicole being near the top of that dumb list honestly, & I like Hayden as a person a lot) but at the same time, Derrick's been playing really smart. It's almost like Donny, and maybe Zach, are the only ones that have him figured out, but they don't do a good job of hiding that so Derrick knows and is now likely going to take each one out before they even have a chance to go for him first.

So yeah it does have a lot to do with hardly anyone knowing what they're doing but Derrick's definitely playing one of the best games in BB regardless. He knows who he needs out and somehow gets every single one of them out immediately. It's pretty crazy and you gotta give him credit regardless of the cast.

In the end, I still think Cody could win over Derrick as the sidekick no one targets in the end, but right now it's looking really good for Derrick if (when) Zach leaves.


I do hope Zach comes back in the house and gets something formed to take Derrick down tho :fc:

(Although I think he'd go for Frankie first now, which I would prefer anyway)

:clap1::clap1:

[Mokka]

People are hating on Derrick because he sucks the fun and the drama out of any room and is BORING most of all. The fact that you're calling the other people bores is laughable. Like, if you want to want to watch smart people do smart things or whatever, just go watch a chess match or read the Wikipedia summaries or something.



Yes, because you have been a member of one of many BB forums for less than a year before I have, you automatically have the authority to tell me what show are and aren't for me. You certainly are the official BBUS adjudicator, congratulations.

Alliances don't rule BBUS, Grodner does. That's the thing that most perplexes me about people who watch "for the strategy" or whatever the ****. Strategy means nothing if you're not on production's good side. You can be the biggest diabolical super genius or whatever, but if Grodner and production hate you that doesn't matter in the slightest.

:pat::pat::pat:

[Raph]

The return of nicflop ruined this season, that's confirmed

[JerseyWins]

Probably, definitely hurts it

If she stays she's most likely going against the wrong people (which I don't mind cause I'd rather see those people go but it'll be boring)

If she goes right away that's a huge waste compared to what could have been and literally no one left to help Donny.