Why do people want a nasty bully to win Big Brother?

[Achilles]

pa-t-ACWYBA

A nasty horrible person who has received multiple warnings for bullying and aggressive behaviour.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

pa-t-ACWYBA

A nasty horrible person who has received multiple warnings for bullying and aggressive behaviour.

Totally agree with you I would hate to see Helen winning.

[billy123]

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

[Lister of Smeg]

Have no clue :shrug:. How anyone can want such a vile individual to win is beyond me too .

[coffee]

Totally agree with you I would hate to see Helen winning.

Show at least 5 clips of Ashleigh being just as nasty as Helen because it's not very hard to find 5 of Helen being horrible.

[Achilles]

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

The ex housemates who dislike Ashleigh are the ones who were part of Helen's nasty gang. The ex housemates who like Ashleigh are the ones who hated Helen's nasty gang.
Ashleigh has been against Helen and her nasty gang throughout the show. Obviously she will be hated for this and she will be insulted and called vile names because she is against Helen. I don't support the nasty gang and their disgusting leader Helen.

[Kazanne]

Helen to win

[rocket]

Why indeed....
People forget too quickly what ...a nasty vile person...she has been for the majority of this series...!!

CHRISTOPHER TO WIN.....

[joeysteele]

Aggressive behaviour doesn't make a bully and in my view Helen is not one.

Anyway bullies more often go about their business in a more subtle way where others don't really see the nastiness,often using mind games in breaking their victims down.

Helen just flies off the handle and rants at people but that is not bullying.

[Beso]

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

there's normal nasty, then theres Helen kind of nasty..bb's warnings prove to every viewer just who has been the nastiest.

[Raph]

Aggressive behaviour doesn't make a bully and in my view Hlene is not one.

Anyway bullies more often go about their business in a more subtle way where others don't really see the nastiness,often usinf mond game in breaking their victims down.

Helen just flies off the handle and rants at people but that is not bullying.

This. And honestly the bully argument can be said for yours truly Ashleigh as well. What a nightmare that girl is

[Achilles]

Aggressive behaviour doesn't make a bully and in my view Hlene is not one.

Anyway bullies more often go about their business in a more subtle way where others don't really see the nastiness,often usinf mond game in breaking their victims down.

Helen just flies off the handle and rants at people but that is not bullying.

Why defend a nasty bully? That upload is just one example.

[Pete.]

She can't win - there is too much support for Ashleigh and Christopher and it's only now that the random people who don't want them to win, adopted her as an anti vote

[Achilles]

This. And honestly the bully argument can be said for yours truly Ashleigh as well. What a nightmare that girl is

Somebody could use a bully argument against Ashleigh, but it would be complete BS argument. Do you watch that upload and laugh or get angry?

[joeysteele]

Why defend a nasty bully? That upload is just one example.

Are you listening and reading with full respect, because I don't think she is a bully.

She can be really nasty at times, she is loud,she is foul mouthed but that doesn't make her a bully, as with in many series of BB the word bully is misused as to describe someone.

It is in fact an insult to those who have really been bullied.
Many of whom would have likely preferred to have someone yelling the way Helen does,rather than have a real bullying situation, so others could see them and hear them and know what was happening.
People being bullied and those bullying generally are often only found out that it is taking place by accident, since bullies often operate in a cowardly fashion.

[Achilles]

Are you listening and reading with full respect, because I don't think she is a bully.

She can be really nasty at times, she is loud,she is foul mouthed but that doesn't make her a bully, as with in many series of BB the word bully is misused as to describe someone.

It is in fact an insult to those who have really been bullied.
Many of whom would have likely preferred to have someone yelling the way Helen does,rather than have a real bullying situation, so others could see them and hear them and know what was happening.
People being bullied and those bullying generally are often only found out that it is taking place by accident, since bullies often operate in a cowardly fashion.

No it is insulting to people who have been bullied when people deny bullying. Not only insulting but disgusting.

[Macie Lightfoot]

"UGHHHHHHHH bullying is such an overused term"

like... that's partly true. HOWEVER, as quick as some people play the bully card or whatever, people here are just as quick to reject any possible of bullying.

[bots]

Sorry, but I think many are confusing the difference between bullying and being loud and aggressive. There is a big difference. While loud and aggressive behaviour is unpleasant, it is not in the same league as bullying. Helen received an official warning for 1 instance in all these weeks can we have some perspective please

[Achilles]

If I was Christopher in that situation I would feel bullied. If people are incapable of putting themselves in his shoes, they will deny that he is being bullied.

[Marsh.]

A video from Day 8? :hehe:

[Marsh.]

If I was Christopher in that situation I would feel bullied. If people are incapable of putting themselves in his shoes, they will deny that he is being bullied.

Anyone can "feel bullied" when they're intent on making someone out to be the devil incarnate.

[Vanessa]

Ashleigh is hardly Mother Theresa herself. :laugh:

[billy123]

Sorry, but I think many are confusing the difference between bullying and being loud and aggressive. There is a big difference. While loud and aggressive behaviour is unpleasant, it is not in the same league as bullying. Helen received an official warning for 1 instance in all these weeks can we have some perspective pleaseI dont think anyone really believes she is a bully it is just being used as a cheap,repetitive and negative way of attacking her
There isnt a lot of ways that Ashleigh can be supported in a positive manner so desperation turns into trying to make other housemates look bad rather than championing their own.
Its a bit sad really.

[Vanessa]

Sorry, but I think many are confusing the difference between bullying and being loud and aggressive. There is a big difference. While loud and aggressive behaviour is unpleasant, it is not in the same league as bullying. Helen received an official warning for 1 instance in all these weeks can we have some perspective please

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

Are you listening and reading with full respect, because I don't think she is a bully.

She can be really nasty at times, she is loud,she is foul mouthed but that doesn't make her a bully, as with in many series of BB the word bully is misused as to describe someone.

It is in fact an insult to those who have really been bullied.
Many of whom would have likely preferred to have someone yelling the way Helen does,rather than have a real bullying situation, so others could see them and hear them and know what was happening.
People being bullied and those bullying generally are often only found out that it is taking place by accident, since bullies often operate in a cowardly fashion.

I agree Joey ,real bullies hide it well,are sly and manipulative,nothing at all like Helen really,she is just a hot head who doesn't think before she says something,real bullies are very calculated,Hmmm ,that actually reminds me of someone:hehe:

[Vanessa]

I agree Joey ,real bullies hide it well,are sly and manipulative,nothing at all like Helen really,she is just a hot head who doesn't think before she says something,real bullies are very calculated,Hmmm ,that actually reminds me of someone:hehe:

Bullies don't say sorry either. Never ever.

[Kazanne]

No it is insulting to people who have been bullied when people deny bullying. Not only insulting but disgusting.

She is NOT a bully ,you forget people who support her have also been bullied,they,KNOW the difference

[Achilles]

I dont think anyone really believes she is a bully it is just being used as a cheap,repetitive and negative way of attacking her
There isnt a lot of ways that Ashleigh can be supported in a positive manner so desperation turns into trying to make other housemates look bad rather than championing their own.
Its a bit sad really.

YOU don't think anyone really believes she is a bully. Ask yourself why?

[Kazanne]

Bullies don't say sorry either. Never ever.

Good point Vanessa:cheer2:

[Achilles]

She is NOT a bully ,you forget people who support her have also been bullied,they,KNOW the difference

She IS a bully, people who support her have NEVER been bullied. If they had ever been bullied they wouldn't defend her. Simple as that.

[kefln]

Its down to a simple trick the mind plays, that familiarity breeds acceptance.

Helens behaviour was deplorable. But she's been around for so long that some have started to ignore all her bad traits and started to "blame" those who dislike her because of the aggression.

[Kazanne]

She IS a bully, people who support her have NEVER been bullied. If they had ever been bullied they wouldn't defend her. Simple as that.

Well they have ,they have said so on here,you have the whole concept of bullying wrong,but if it's all you've got,I guess you'll run with it

[Vanessa]

Ashleigh is hardly Mother Theresa herself. :joker:

[rubymoo]

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

[Vanessa]

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

I think she's brash and very loud.

[rubymoo]

I think she's brash and very loud.

Which is probably normal to her within her friendship circle.

[Achilles]

Well they have ,they have said so on here,you have the whole concept of bullying wrong,but if it's all you've got,I guess you'll run with it

No YOU have the whole concept of bullying wrong. You don't acknowledge bullying when you see it, you ignore it. Anyone who has been bullied will NEVER defend Helen in that upload.

[Vanessa]

Which is probably normal to her within her friendship circle.

Yes, probably. :laugh:

[Achilles]

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

There is nothing complex about her at all. She is a nasty bully.

[billy123]

There is nothing complex about her at all. She is a nasty bully.seriously change the record constantly repeating yourself is not only silly its spamming as well.

[kefln]

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.
So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

[Kazanne]

seriously change the record constantly repeating yourself is not only silly its spamming as well.

Didn't someone get told about that yesterday?

[Achilles]

seriously change the record constantly repeating yourself is not only silly its spamming as well.

She is a nasty bully. I am stating truth that needs to be repeated.

[billy123]

Didn't someone get told about that yesterday?Yep and rightfully so theres no need for it.
Its a sign of desperation thats for sure.

[rubymoo]

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

:conf: Why is it fabricated:conf:

It's common knowledge she was pregnant and living in a flat on her own.

That her siblings are smart and that she felt the thick one out of the family, i've read links on this forum that have said this.

That her parents had nothing to do with her, she see's her mum but it's not a close relationship.

[Vanessa]

Yep and rightfully so theres no need for it.
Its a sign of desperation thats for sure.

:thumbs:

[Achilles]

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

Not only is it a made up back story, the real back story is ignored. Helen making disgusting comments about Irish people on social media. Helen bullying an Irish person on Big Brother.

[waterhog]

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

discredited - everything ashigh has said is for a reason or has been put to her.

[rubymoo]

All you Helen haters are only going to chuck more votes her way, so carry on and keep it up:hehe:

[Vanessa]

All you Helen haters are only going to chuck more votes her way, so carry on and keep it up:hehe:

This is so true! Keep going! :joker::hehe:

[jet]

No it is insulting to people who have been bullied when people deny bullying. Not only insulting but disgusting.

Apparently its okay these days to call someone a slug; to say fat ugly people are annoying; to say the Irish are uneducated and live in 'incestville'; to say you want certain singers 'to die'; to sit and poke fun at people and laugh at them in the BB house in public; to have other people you live with feel afraid of you; to have your own friends call you aggressive; to get numerous warnings for being nasty, name calling, and behavior that could be 'construed' as bullying. As what is seen as bullying behavoir is not the same for everyone, it is fair to say that many people see her as a bully.

But all that is overcome because she is seen as loyal to her own clique. That's easy. It's how she behaves to those NOT in her clique that shows what she is made of.
All that is overcome because some bleeding hearts see her as 'hurt by her hard life'. Hard life my ass. Look at the starving refugees who are in fear for their lives and those of their families. Look at families whose children are dying every day from hunger and disease. It is appalling to say that sorry excuse for a woman has had it hard. :rant:

[Cherie]

Apparently its okay these days to call someone a slug; to say fat ugly people are annoying; to say the Irish are uneducated and live in 'incestville'; to say you want certain singers 'to die'; to sit and poke fun at people and laugh at them in the BB house in public; to have other people you live with feel afraid of you; to have your own friends call you aggressive; to get numerous warnings for being nasty, name calling, and behavior that could be 'construed' as bullying. As what is seen as bullying behavoir is not the same for everyone, it is fair to say that many people see her as a bully.

But all that is overcome because she is seen as loyal to her own clique. That's easy. It's how she behaves to those NOT in her clique that shows what she is made of.
All that is overcome because some bleeding hearts see her as 'hurt by her hard life'. Hard life my ass. Look at the starving refugees who are in fear for their lives and those of their families. Look at families whose children are dying every day from hunger and disease. It is appalling to say that sorry excuse for a woman has had it hard. :rant:


:clap2: i feel the public are being manipulated into voting for Helen, vulnerable my ass, tears of drunk self pity because even her friends had called her aggressive

[rubymoo]

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

[Achilles]

The viewers get the winner they vote for. So on Friday we will find out whether the majority of viewers support bullying or side with those who stand against it.

[Vanessa]

it doesn't matter who wins for me now. helen is in the final and that's victory enough for me. :smug:

[Achilles]

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

It is ALWAYS wrong to bully? It can't be, because Helen is being supported and she is a nasty bully.

[Vanessa]

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

Ashleigh the saint. :angel:

[Achilles]

it doesn't matter who wins for me now. helen is in the final and that's victory enough for me. :smug:

Anyone but Ashleigh. Right?

[Vanessa]

Anyone but Ashleigh. Right?

Right. Anyone.

[Marsh.]

Its down to a simple trick the mind plays, that familiarity breeds acceptance.

Helens behaviour was deplorable. But she's been around for so long that some have started to ignore all her bad traits and started to "blame" those who dislike her because of the aggression.

No, some people aren't of the "one or the other" mindset.

You don't need to exonerate Helen in order to see Ashleigh's bitter/negative/manipulative self. A lot of her fans however just support her simply because she's not Helen.

Oh, and she's 18 we can't forget that.

[kefln]

:conf: Why is it fabricated:conf:

It's common knowledge she was pregnant and living in a flat on her own.

That her siblings are smart and that she felt the thick one out of the family, i've read links on this forum that have said this.

That her parents had nothing to do with her, she see's her mum but it's not a close relationship.
Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

[Jules2]

For those who do not want Helen to win, on Oddschecker she has gone to 3rd favourite and I think her odds are shortening, so come on if we want our favourite three at the top we have to keep on voting as nothing is impossible.

[MB.]

it doesn't matter who wins for me now. helen is in the final and that's victory enough for me. :smug:

Yes, she deserves it so much having survived so many public vot-oh wait

[Marsh.]

The viewers get the winner they vote for. So on Friday we will find out whether the majority of viewers support bullying or side with those who stand against it.

Trying to paint Ashleigh as some Anti-Bullying icon. :joker:

[Vanessa]

Yes, she deserves it so much having survived so many public vot-oh wait

She's still there and that's a victory for me.

[Marsh.]

Yes, she deserves it so much having survived so many public vot-oh wait

Don't be bitter, you sound like Ashleigh. :hehe:

[Vanessa]

Trying to paint Ashleigh as some Anti-Bullying icon. :joker:

the irony is not lost on me. :hehe:

[jet]

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

And if they go on BB to be judged people can vote to evict them or have them as their winner.

[Achilles]

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

[kefln]

No, some people aren't of the "one or the other" mindset.

You don't need to exonerate Helen in order to see Ashleigh's bitter/negative/manipulative self. A lot of her fans however just support her simply because she's not Helen.

Oh, and she's 18 we can't forget that.
So in your point about how some people aren't one or the other, you have stated that people are just one, because of the other?

[Liam-]

She IS a bully, people who support her have NEVER been bullied. If they had ever been bullied they wouldn't defend her. Simple as that.

Incorrect.. i spent the majority of my school life being bullied and none of those people would have ever been suspected because they were supposedly the 'nice people' of the school, but because they were so sly and vindictive with it, it made it a whole lot worse.. Ashleigh remind me of every single person who had a part in it, rolled into one, so yes, i do support Helen and yes, i have been bullied so i know how it feels and looks like, Helen is definitely not a bully :wavey:

[Marsh.]

So in your point about how some people aren't one or the other, you have stated that people are just one, because of the other?

"Some" being the operative word. That's kind of common sense.

[Marsh.]

Ashleigh was bullied at school.

I don't believe her. :smug:

[Vanessa]

Incorrect.. i spent the majority of my school life being bullied and none of those people would have ever been suspected because they were supposedly the 'nice people' of the school, but because they were so sly and vindictive with it, it made it a whole lot worse.. Ashleigh remind me of every single person who had a part in it, rolled into one, so yes, i do support Helen and yes, i have been bullied so i know how it feels and looks like, Helen is definitely not a bully :wavey:

This! Ashleigh is sly and manipulative. She reminds me so much of the Mean Girls in that movie.

[Northern Monkey]

Apparently its okay these days to call someone a slug; to say fat ugly people are annoying; to say the Irish are uneducated and live in 'incestville'; to say you want certain singers 'to die'; to sit and poke fun at people and laugh at them in the BB house in public; to have other people you live with feel afraid of you; to have your own friends call you aggressive; to get numerous warnings for being nasty, name calling, and behavior that could be 'construed' as bullying. As what is seen as bullying behavoir is not the same for everyone, it is fair to say that many people see her as a bully.

But all that is overcome because she is seen as loyal to her own clique. That's easy. It's how she behaves to those NOT in her clique that shows what she is made of.
All that is overcome because some bleeding hearts see her as 'hurt by her hard life'. Hard life my ass. Look at the starving refugees who are in fear for their lives and those of their families. Look at families whose children are dying every day from hunger and disease. It is appalling to say that sorry excuse for a woman has had it hard. :rant:

:worship:

[MB.]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

The only relevant part of this post :thumbs:

I don't believe her. :smug:

:facepalm:

[rubymoo]

It is ALWAYS wrong to bully? It can't be, because Helen is being supported and she is a nasty bully.

People are entitled to support who they want to.

I'm lucky enough to be able to understand that there's a reason for Helen's behaviour, she is a very sad human being that struggles to live in an adult world effectively, she does feel threatened by other people which is why she goes into gobby mode, the language she uses is acceptable within her friendship circle, i've never heard of anyone being called a slug or a wasp so maybe it's an area thing, and Helen would be my nightmare, but she is not Satan and Ashleigh is not an Angel they are people.

I was bullied as an adult in the work place, everytime by a woman, but i look back at those times and know it was them with the problem not me, they felt threatened by me.

I hasten to add that i always had the last laugh:laugh:

[Jules2]

No, some people aren't of the "one or the other" mindset.

You don't need to exonerate Helen in order to see Ashleigh's bitter/negative/manipulative self. A lot of her fans however just support her simply because she's not Helen.

Oh, and she's 18 we can't forget that.

No I totally believe, along with many, that our favourites have been supported fom the first time they were up for eviction. Mine has been Chris and I have supported him from day 2 or 3. I loved the way that the friendships blossomed with Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, they were there for each other when all else failed. This is a lot of reasoning behind Ashleigh's popularity. Nothing to do with the fact she isnt Helen. I do not mind any of these three winning but, as it is a game, good luck to the winner. No sour grapes.

Helen is only getting support now from past HMs raking up their grievances, it will possbly work but one of the best things to come out of the house is with positive vibes from the public. After all they have a lifetime before them and those HMs who care need a good inner peace.

I have never said that Helen cant win and I downed Winston for telling her that, nothing is impossible but it is the votes on Friday which will determine the winner and possibly not the bookies?

[Marsh.]

:facepalm:

Well, she's proven herself to be a sly liar so I have no choice but to question most of what comes out of her mouth.

[Marsh.]

No I totally believe that our favourites have been supported fom the first time they were up for eviction. Mine has been Chris and I have supported him from day 2 or 3. I loved the way that the friendships blossomed with Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, they were there for each other when all else failed. This is a lot of reasoning behind Ashleigh's popularity. Nothing to do with the fact she isnt Helen. I do not mind any of these three winning but, as it is a game, good luck to the winner. No sour grapes.

Helen is only getting support now from past HMs raking up their grievances, it will possbly work but one of the best things to come out of the house is with positive vibes from the public. After all they have a lifetime before them and those HMs who care need a good inner peace.

Thanks for that largely irrelevant story.

BIB - I think a rewatch might be in order.

[MB.]

Well, she's proven herself to be a sly liar so I have no choice but to question most of what comes out of her mouth.

Helen has a lying streak, but you don't see me claiming she made up having a son or that she doesn't actually come from Bolton. Some people really are desperate

[Achilles]

I don't believe her. :smug:

Believe or care?

[rubymoo]

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

I do believe i used the word probably, which would indicate i am making an assumption, everything else i have mentioned i have read via links or from BB, oh and just so you know a suicide is what it takes to be disowned from your family.

[Marsh.]

Believe or care?

Why would I care about her being bullied at school? I don't know her, I never went to school with her, she's now an adult no longer in school? I don't see your point.

[Marsh.]

Helen has a lying streak, but you don't see me claiming she made up having a son or that she doesn't actually come from Bolton. Some people really are desperate

Well you see the obvious existence of an actual person, actually being in the papers as a Bolton woman years before BB and her accent are actual proof of such obvious things.

Saying "I was bullied at school" is something anyone could say. Dexter was a "sugar daddy" remember? :wink:

[Jules2]

People are entitled to support who they want to.

I'm lucky enough to be able to understand that there's a reason for Helen's behaviour, she is a very sad human being that struggles to live in an adult world effectively, she does feel threatened by other people which is why she goes into gobby mode, the language she uses is acceptable within her friendship circle, i've never heard of anyone being called a slug or a wasp so maybe it's an area thing, and Helen would be my nightmare, but she is not Satan and Ashleigh is not an Angel they are people.

I was bullied as an adult in the work place, everytime by a woman, but i look back at those times and know it was them with the problem not me, they felt threatened by me.

I hasten to add that i always had the last laugh:laugh:

Aw Ruby I sympathise with you but the last laugh isnt always the best laugh. There are many of us who can see the reason for each HMs behaviour, many of us have been through trials and tribulations but to be rewarded with a vast amount of money isnt really the way forward imo. We are all on a learning curb and the money could be to say well done your behaviour was impeccable. What a HM gains in one way that HM risks losing in another and respect is a great reward to own. Money, whilst a good energy, does not always fill a need for acceptance. Once it is gone what is there left if one has lost their self respect?

[Achilles]

Well, she's proven herself to be a sly liar so I have no choice but to question most of what comes out of her mouth.

Ashleigh: I think I am partly responsible but not solely responsible for the divide. Mature answer. Honest.
Helen: ME? I not done anything wrong. Immature answer. Liar.

[bots]

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

I have asked you 3 times to clarify this for me. Can you please refer me to where Ashleigh has said she was bullied at school. If you are going to repeatedly say it, please support it

[Marsh.]

Ashleigh: I think I am partly responsible but not solely responsible for the divide. Mature answer. Honest.
Helen: ME? I not done anything wrong. Immature answer. Liar.

Not relevant to my post.

[Achilles]

Why would I care about her being bullied at school? I don't know her, I never went to school with her, she's now an adult no longer in school? I don't see your point.

Not sure why you would care? Better to support the bully right?

[MB.]

Well you see the obvious existence of an actual person, actually being in the papers as a Bolton woman years before BB and her accent are actual proof of such obvious things.

Could be faking it :idc:

[rubymoo]

Aw Ruby I sympathise with you but the last laugh isnt always the best laugh. There are many of us who can see the reason for each HMs behaviour, many of us have been through trials and tribulations but to be rewarded with a vast amount of money isnt really the way forward imo. We are all on a learning curb and the money could be to say well done your behaviour was impeccable. What a HM gains in one way that HM risks losing in another and respect is a great reward to own. Money, whilst a good energy to own, does not always fill a need for acceptance.

It was for me!!!

The assistant manager ended up divorcing her husband and going bankrupt, before having a nervous breakdown, a supervisor was made redundant and couldn't get another job due to her age, and another manager was shut down by the health authorities.......karmas a bitch but i live her!

[Jules2]

Ashleigh: I think I am partly responsible but not solely responsible for the divide. Mature answer. Honest.
Helen: ME? I not done anything wrong. Immature answer. Liar.

Well said Ashleigh, you deserve to win.

[Marsh.]

Not sure why you would care? Better to support the bully right?

No, don't put words in my mouth with your second question, stick to the actual subject of the first. Why should I care about something that may or may not have happened years ago to a person I don't know? That goes for Ashleigh and any of the other 18 housemates.

Nice attempt to twist my words into something they're not. Try harder next time.

[Marsh.]

Could be faking it :idc:

Yeah, she could. But whether she comes from Bolton or not is largely irrelevant to the show/storyline isn't it?

[Achilles]

No, don't put words in my mouth with your second question, stick to the actual subject of the first. Why should I care about something that may or may not have happened years ago to a person I don't know? That goes for Ashleigh and any of the other 18 housemates.

Nice attempt to twist my words into something they're not. Try harder next time.

I didn't twist your words I quoted what you said.

[Marsh.]

I didn't twist your words I quoted what you said.

You brought Helen into my comment about Ashleigh when it was largely irrelevant. None of the housemates have anything to do with whether or not I believe some random comment that may or may not have happened in her past.

[Jules2]

Thanks for that largely irrelevant story.

BIB - I think a rewatch might be in order.

Did I put it in the wrong place then :laugh: We all discuss things many without giving a reason or an explanation as to why we feel the way we do. These are my reasons. What is a rewatch? I thought this was a forum for us to give our opinions?

[Marsh.]

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

Now you know what she was like her entire life? Now you presume to know what her parents were like?

:joker:

They're middle class, they couldn't have been bad parents. That's impossible!

[Achilles]

You brought Helen into my comment about Ashleigh when it was largely irrelevant. None of the housemates have anything to do with whether or not I believe some random comment that may or may not have happened in her past.

You're confusing yourself. Trying to worm your way out of one quote train onto another

[Marsh.]

You're confusing yourself. Trying to worm your way out of one quote train onto another

No, you took my comment about Ashleigh and made up an insinuation about Helen. The two aren't linked together.

[Marsh.]

Did I put it in the wrong place then :laugh: We all discuss things many without giving a reason or an explanation as to why we feel the way we do. These are my reasons. What is a rewatch? I thought this was a forum for us to give our opinions?

You can give your opinions, I just didn't see the need to give those particular ones in response to my post since it had very little link. :)

[Achilles]

No, you took my comment about Ashleigh and made up an insinuation about Helen. The two aren't linked together.

Start with your reply of "I don't believe her" and work your way to this point, following the quote train.

[Jules2]

It was for me!!!

The assistant manager ended up divorcing her husband and going bankrupt, before having a nervous breakdown, a supervisor was made redundant and couldn't get another job due to her age, and another manager was shut down by the health authorities.......karmas a bitch but i live her!

Sad eh, I think karma catches up eventually but sometimes it takes an awful long time. This is why I question the abilities of BB to present a good show without making HMs so bitter against each other. To much negativity being sent out into the ether. To many viewers getting their "knickers" in a twist and many unable to debate because they get so upset. I am wondering whether it is worth watching even though I have watched it since the second one.

Good luck anyway, hope things work out for you in the way that they should.

[rubymoo]

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

Helen feels intimidated by Ashleigh imo because Ashleigh is smart and that makes her feel insecure so she reacts by being loud, uses vulgar language and is dominant because she feels threatened, look into her past and try to understand that she reacts because of her own insecurities try to see beyond the foul language, she isn't black and white.

Helen is a product of her past and her poor choices.

I don't know how i would be if i was in the house, i'd like to think i could hold my own.

And why would you be evil??? Your opinion is very valid and you express your feelings in a forum that allows this, you are passionate about your favourite, but just remember that sometimes when someone is so passionate, you will inadvertently cause people to express their opinions in an equally passionate way that will probably go against how you feel.

[Marsh.]

Start with your reply of "I don't believe her" and work your way to this point, following the quote train.

:facepalm: I don't believe Ashleigh was bullied, and if she was why should I care is the basis of my point. No relevance to Helen.

[rubymoo]

Sad eh, I think karma catches up eventually but sometimes it takes an awful long time. This is why I question the abilities of BB to present a good show without making HMs so bitter against each other. To much negativity being sent out into the ether. To many viewers getting their "knickers" in a twist and many unable to debate because they get so upset. I am wondering whether it is worth watching even though I have watched it since the second one.

Good luck anyway, hope things work out for you in the way that they should.

BB has manipulated far too much, even this fake eviction crap appears to be scripted, i've said on past posts that HM's seem to use phrases and then there's a task which corresponds to the phrase.

And i agree too many people taking the debates way too seriously:laugh:

[Achilles]

:facepalm: I don't believe Ashleigh was bullied, and if she was why should I care is the basis of my point. No relevance to Helen.

You mentioned Helen, not me.

[Marsh.]

Why would I care about her being bullied at school? I don't know her, I never went to school with her, she's now an adult no longer in school? I don't see your point.

Not sure why you would care? Better to support the bully right?

This wasn't a reference to Helen? So referencing the school bullies? Why would I care/support/vilify these people when a) I don't know they exist and b) I don't know them and c) It was apparently years ago?

Yeah, really supporting a bully here aren't I? :sleep:

[FlippingEck]

I get fed up with hearing people play the bully card. By the reckoning on here, if you have an opinion about someone and have the audacity to voice your opinion openly then you are a bully.. in which case, the house is full of bullies.. as is this forum.

Time to put your adult pants on people.. Helen is not a bully. she is HONEST.

[Liam-]

I get fed up with hearing people play the bully card. By the reckoning on here, if you have an opinion about someone and have the audacity to voice your opinion openly then you are a bully.. in which case, the house is full of bullies.. as is this forum.

Time to put your adult pants on people.. Helen is not a bully. she is HONEST.

Preach :clap1:

[Achilles]

I get fed up with hearing people play the bully card. By the reckoning on here, if you have an opinion about someone and have the audacity to voice your opinion openly then you are a bully.. in which case, the house is full of bullies.. as is this forum.

Time to put your adult pants on people.. Helen is not a bully. she is HONEST.


Helen is a nasty bully. She is a proven liar.

[wormsinfested]

I dont think many people want Helen to win:joker: maybe 0.01%:joker:

[kefln]

she is HONEST.
Except when she lies...

Shouting at people in an aggressive manner is not being honest, its bad behaviour.

[Achilles]

Brat definition: Behave badly and act immature, like a child.

HELEN WOOD the immature 27 year old from a middle class background, nasty bully and spoilt brat

[MB.]

she is HONEST.

Well, that blatantly isn't true for starters. She's been caught saying things (for example, Kimberly being a tramp), which she's then turned on the waterworks to try and deny... fooling no-one

[Marsh.]

Brat definition: Behave badly and act immature, like a child.

HELEN WOOD the immature 27 year old from a middle class background, nasty bully and spoilt brat

Her middle class background has what to do with it? :joker:

[FlippingEck]

Except when she lies...

Shouting at people in an aggressive manner is not being honest, its bad behaviour.

Honesty is honesty, shouting, whispering, singing, whatever. honesty is honesty. :idc:

[jessicadanielle]

I get fed up with hearing people play the bully card. By the reckoning on here, if you have an opinion about someone and have the audacity to voice your opinion openly then you are a bully.. in which case, the house is full of bullies.. as is this forum.

Time to put your adult pants on people.. Helen is not a bully. she is HONEST.

But what about times when she's had people gathered around her and instigated isolation of another housemate, like the vid in the OP of this thread, or when she was stood in a corner claiming Jale was listening to their conversation just because she was sat in the same room. Making up vile names like Wasp and Slugsworth to depersonify them is a typical bully technique.

Some of her other behaviour didn't amount to bullying imo, but did show bullying behaviour. Her treatment of Chris on his first night along with Pauline was intended isolation based on one bloody sentence in his vt. Her personal attack to Matthew can surely be seen by anyone as more than "just being honest", she was stood over him in anger to intimidate him. Her, Kim and Jale cornering her in front of the whole group was very intimidating and isolating, which is exactly why her friends (Winston and Mark) stood up to her. Her incessant namecalling to a whole group of people about Danielle and making fun of her religion was definitely more than "just being honest". To repeat, I don't think these latter examples amounted to bullying, but were certainly typical bullying behaviour, which is exactly why BB had to warn her at times - she had to be stopped before she went too far.

I don't think voicing an opinion is bullying. For example, when she said she thinks Chris is two-faced, I don't think that was bullying. When she says Christopher is annoying sometimes, it's not bullying. It's just the way she goes about being angry/annoyed/disliking someone like the examples I gave above, it is NOT simply "being honest".


Edit: also, as other posters have identified, she has been found to lie about what she or others have said quite a few times now. When she went to the DR to complain about what she'd said about Kim being a tramp, and BB asked if she regretted what she said, she said no and laughed, almost suggesting she did remember saying it.

Further, she has twisted some things that people have said to encourage more disfavour towards them from other housemates:

Ashleigh: I feel like I've made some evil plan
Helen: I've made an evil plan and I'm so glad it came together (apologies if this is misquoted!)

The conversation between Chris and Ashleigh... They described her as a nightmare on paper but actually really nice, and Ashleigh said she'd given people at school lots of chances

Her conversation with Chris the other night. They were having a mutual conversation about going abroad, and then she said she felt ugly, so Chris said he thought she was sexy. They laughed, she said thanks, it was all amiable. She made it out to Pav and Ash like he creeped up to her with a creepy voice and just said it out of the blue and that she was all shocked and said "ok then :|" which is definitely not honest!

[MB.]

Honesty is honesty, shouting, whispering, singing, whatever. honesty is honesty. :idc:

What about lying?

[Jules2]

Imo the courtroom episode made people feel sorry for Helen so now, she is the victim. She has gained support since, also through the past sourgrapes HMs determination not to let Ashleigh or Chris win. They seem to have forgotten that it was the public who got them out, not them. They also used the DR, they also nominated. The vine has lost so many grapes......They are fighting the public to make up for their own inadequacies.

[kefln]

Honesty is honesty, shouting, whispering, singing, whatever. honesty is honesty. :idc:
No. Roaring over someone is not honesty, thats called fighting. There is an important difference there.

[FlippingEck]

No. Roaring over someone is not honesty, thats called fighting. There is an important difference there.

Wow. The way someone delivers a sentence does not make the content of the sentence different... is that really hard for people to understand?

:pat: bless

[FlippingEck]

Besides... in my OPINION... Jale did have slug like characteristics.... that's not bullying.. it's observational.. similarly with wasp..

[jessicadanielle]

Wow. The way someone delivers a sentence does not make the content of the sentence different... is that really hard for people to understand?

:pat: bless

Arghhhhh! :shocked:

If someone said to their friend while giggling "oh shut up!" then there is quite clearly no malice involved.

If someone pounces towards somebody screaming "oh shut up!" in their face, then it's pretty intimidating.

Quite clearly, the way you say a sentence makes a HUGE difference to what purpose was intended by what you said. How anyone can disagree with that is beyond me.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I really don't get this idea that Helen is this honest raw n rull truthteller. What is really is, is an incredibly insecure chick who misinterprets anything and everything as a personal attack, and then flips the **** out on people when it's not necessary. She assumes the worst of everyone and the best of herself so she's completely blind to how she treats others (which is just hammering away with half-truths and whole-lies.)

[FlippingEck]

Arghhhhh! :shocked:

If someone said to their friend while giggling "oh shut up!" then there is quite clearly no malice involved.

If someone pounces towards somebody screaming "oh shut up!" in their face, then it's pretty intimidating.

Quite clearly, the way you say a sentence makes a HUGE difference to what purpose was intended by what you said. How anyone can disagree with that is beyond me.

Im not talking about purpose or intention. Im talking about FACTUAL CONTENT. Stand up. whisper in your most angelic voice, today is Tuesday.... then shout in your most aggressive horrible nastiest voice TODAY IS TUESDAY.... it doesn't make it Wednesday! Try it..

[Jules2]

Besides... in my OPINION... Jale did have slug like characteristics.... that's not bullying.. it's observational.. similarly with wasp..

Aw I didnt like Jale at all once she changed her sides but I do feel it is wrong to make such observations known in public and on tv. Very cruel as slug has a rather sluggish meaning. Wasp cold be taken more as a flighty one but oh what a sting it has in its tail. Possibly we could therefore say that Helen was the wasp? Only joking!

[Jules2]

Im not talking about purpose or intention. Im talking about FACTUAL CONTENT. Stand up. whisper in your most angelic voice, today is Tuesday.... then shout in your most aggressive horrible nastiest voice TODAY IS TUESDAY.... it doesn't make it Wednesday! Try it..

The way something is said is totally relevant to a situation, it can either lead into a peaceful conversation or into a war zone.

[Kizzy]

So she can't say slug or wasp but many label her a bitch... which is a female dog :conf:

[kefln]

Besides... in my OPINION... Jale did have slug like characteristics.... that's not bullying.. it's observational.. similarly with wasp..
And that just killed your creditability .

[jessicadanielle]

Im not talking about purpose or intention. Im talking about FACTUAL CONTENT. Stand up. whisper in your most angelic voice, today is Tuesday.... then shout in your most aggressive horrible nastiest voice TODAY IS TUESDAY.... it doesn't make it Wednesday! Try it..

We're not talking about when Helen tells people what day it is, we're talking about when she calls people names and shouts her opinions, which isn't factual content anyway.

[Robodog]

I used to support Ashleigh too

But recently - and especially after last night's episode - i can totally see now that Ashleigh is a horrible, manipulative bitch

Give me Helen's upfront anger over Ashleigh's manipulative sneakiness anyday


If you want someone nice to win - then you'd better off voting for the other 4.

Ashleigh is every bit as bad as Helen - but in a much colder, more sly way

(examples being : her 'evil plan', her name calling of Helen - vile, ugly etc, her weeks of bitching with Danielle about the others and last night her snuggling into Ash in front of a very upset Helen - despite manipulating all the other girls to nominate Ash behind Helen's back)

[kefln]

I really don't get this idea that Helen is this honest raw n rull truthteller. What is really is, is an incredibly insecure chick who misinterprets anything and everything as a personal attack, and then flips the **** out on people when it's not necessary. She assumes the worst of everyone and the best of herself so she's completely blind to how she treats others (which is just hammering away with half-truths and whole-lies.)
Point well made.

Its about justification, she shouts people down, calls them names, but we'll call it honest because that sounds better.

[rionablue]

I don't particularly want Helen to win I would rather Christopher but she would possibly be my second choice. Im sorry and I might be in the minority here but I firmly believe there were no bullies in the house. As I have said in a previous post the definition of a bully in my eyes is someone who attacks and belittles in either words or actions another person who is too weak to defend themselves therefore who's character is assassinated and they cant stand up for themselves. Every single housemate in the house this year was perfectaly capable of standing up for themselves

That is why when Helen attacked the likes of Mathew or Danielle for example there were almighty rows ensued as they fought back. Same can be said for Christopher. When Jale was called foul names she shrugged it off and bitched away again. Neither Helen nor Ashleigh are bullies. Both have bitchy qualities both have also hearts. I am not a fan of Ashleigh I have grown to like Helen in recent weeks but I honestly and truly think the 'bully' word is trotted out year after year. I was bullied seriously in primary school as I was shy and a little bit smaller than other kids.. They pulled my hair, called me names and pretended to the teacher I slapped them. THAT IS BULLYING

[Fendertele]

I think if any-one on this Forum were in the house, and was on the receiving end of Helen, they would feel just how other HM's feel about her and her clique. People like Helen operate on the fear of what might happen if you cross them, firstly, they pick on weaker people in a group who are outsiders, with not much to back them up, they then do what Helen has done, shout them down, swear at them and belittle them, the line is then drawn, and that fear of ridicule alone in front of a group of people, is enough to make some weaker people join her, that's how this sort of behaviour operates, be it in school, the work place etc, etc,.....Then you have the bullies clique forming, I have seen this happen in life, time and time again.

[jessicadanielle]

I used to support Ashleigh too

But recently - and especially after last night's episode - i can totally see now that Ashleigh is a horrible, manipulative bitch

Give me Helen's upfront anger over Ashleigh's manipulative sneakiness anyday


If you want someone nice to win - then you'd better off voting for the other 4.

Ashleigh is every bit as bad as Helen - but in a much colder, more sly way

(examples being : her 'evil plan', her name calling of Helen - vile, ugly etc, her weeks of bitching with Danielle about the others and last night her snuggling into Ash in front of a very upset Helen - despite manipulating all the other girls to nominate Ash behind Helen's back)

Same really. Having been a pretty strong Ashleigh supporter for a while and really disliking Helen, I've come to the conclusion that I don't particularly like either of them. I would still say Helen is miles worse than Ashleigh though, and that in a way, Ashleigh has been backed into a bit of a corner by Helen. If there hadn't been an antagonistic character like Helen around, I don't think we'd have seen so much of Ashleigh's bad side. I think Helen, however, would act how she had regardless of what mix of people had been around, which is evident by how many people she's had run-ins with throughout the series.

Chris/Christopher to win for me :)

[FlippingEck]

The way something is said is totally relevant to a situation, it can either lead into a peaceful conversation or into a war zone.

Jules I have AGREED and said the way something is said is relevant to the situation, ie it can make a peaceful situation a war zone, what I have said is the way in which something is said DOES NOT make the sentence untrue or invalid..

[FlippingEck]

Point well made.

Its about justification, she shouts people down, calls them names, but we'll call it honest because that sounds better.

Asleigh is a sly manipulative little bitch, but hey, we'll just call her angelic and princess like because that sounds better... :sleep:

[Robodog]

Same really. Having been a pretty strong Ashleigh supporter for a while and really disliking Helen, I've come to the conclusion that I don't particularly like either of them. I would still say Helen is miles worse than Ashleigh though, and that in a way, Ashleigh has been backed into a bit of a corner by Helen. If there hadn't been an antagonistic character like Helen around, I don't think we'd have seen so much of Ashleigh's bad side. I think Helen, however, would act how she had regardless of what mix of people had been around, which is evident by how many people she's had run-ins with throughout the series.

Chris/Christopher to win for me :)

Ashleigh owes her 'success' to Helen. BB always needs a villain character. Right now it's Helen. And where there's a villain there must be a hero - so Ashleigh gets that badge because she stands against Helen but is less vocal and direct than her. Shouting loses the argument - so Ashleigh looks better by contrast.

However - if Helen had gone weeks ago - i have no doubt whatsoever that Ashleigh would be seen as the villain right now - with all her bitching, moaning and manipulation.

As for the winner - i agree. Christopher for me now. Strange because i used to dislike him at first and i liked Chris much more than i do now.

Such is the nature of BB !

[FlippingEck]

And that just killed your creditability .

its a good job im not interested in other people's opinions about me then isn't it.

:sleep:

[jessicadanielle]

Ashleigh owes her 'success' to Helen. BB always needs a villain character. Right now it's Helen. And where there's a villain there must be a hero - so Ashleigh gets that badge because she stands against Helen but is less vocal and direct than her. Shouting loses the argument - so Ashleigh looks better by contrast.

However - if Helen had gone weeks ago - i have no doubt whatsoever that Ashleigh would be seen as the villain right now - with all her bitching, moaning and manipulation.

As for the winner - i agree. Christopher for me now. Strange because i used to dislike him at first and i liked Chris much more than i do now.

Such is the nature of BB !

But who has Ashleigh really bitched about apart from Helen? Ash a little.. Kim a little... But personally I don't think any more so than others bitch about people too. Though Ashleigh does seem like she'd maybe find someone else to hate if Helen weren't around!

[kefln]

I really don't get this idea that Helen is this honest raw n rull truthteller. What is really is, is an incredibly insecure chick who misinterprets anything and everything as a personal attack, and then flips the **** out on people when it's not necessary. She assumes the worst of everyone and the best of herself so she's completely blind to how she treats others (which is just hammering away with half-truths and whole-lies.)
To quote Helen when asked if she had contributed to the divide in the house:

"No, I haven't contributed."
"Do I cause a divide? Absolutely not, and I would strongly disagree to that".

Thats Honest Helen for you. Its everyone's fault but hers. Meanwhile Ashleigh fully admitted that she was part of the problem.

[jessicadanielle]

Asleigh is a sly manipulative little bitch, but hey, we'll just call her angelic and princess like because that sounds better... :sleep:

But NOBODY who is a fan of Ashleigh actually believes she is angelic or a princess. Only people who dislike Ashleigh believe that she is trying to portray that image and that we are lapping it up.

The things I like about Ashleigh are the exact opposite of being angelic and a princess. She is a strong young woman who can hold her own, stands by her principles, and doesn't take **** from Helen and co. She doesn't act angelic.. If she did she'd probably be lying down while Helen walked all over her. I also agree she is manipulative, and that is something else I admire about her in a game like Big Brother. Her reason for manipulating the girl power week (to not let Helen dominate and get her own way like she presumed she would) was a valid reason imo. Helen needed taking down a peg

[beardedbloke]

Helen is the sort of person who stands with her gang and sniggers when someone walks by who she doesn't like - Christopher when her, Tamara and others were all going 'bzzzzz' calling him a wasp and laughing as he looked on very uncomfortable and then saying 'boring' as he walked out the door.

She's the sort of person who pisses on someone's pillow who she doesn't like for whatever reason. You can just imagine her sniggering and laughing with her friends as the person whose pillow has been pissed on notices. She'd love that and so would her 'gang'. She'd make someone's life hell, and if she wasn't in Big Brother, you can bet your life that she'd do some nasty sneaky stuff - all the while saying she 'tells it like it is'. Oh yeah.

She's a nasty bully who loves to hurt people.

So No, she doesn't deserve to win

[Achilles]

Helen is the sort of person who stands with her gang and sniggers when someone walks by who she doesn't like - Christopher when her, Tamara and others were all going 'bzzzzz' calling him a wasp and laughing as he looked on very uncomfortable and then saying 'boring' as he walked out the door.

She's the sort of person who pisses on someone's pillow who she doesn't like for whatever reason. You can just imagine her sniggering and laughing with her friends as the person whose pillow has been pissed on notices. She'd love that and so would her 'gang'. She'd make someone's life hell, and if she wasn't in Big Brother, you can bet your life that she'd do some nasty sneaky stuff - all the while saying she 'tells it like it is'. Oh yeah.

She's a nasty bully who loves to hurt people.

So No, she doesn't deserve to win

Bearded blokes are always wise :thumbs:

[Robodog]

She's a nasty bully who loves to hurt people.

So No, she doesn't deserve to win

Ashleigh enjoyed hurting Helen last night by snuggling into Ash and saying 'i'm so glad you're here' - despite her whole 'evil plan' to exclude Helen and manipulate the other girls into nominating him.

Exclusion, manipulation, hypocrisy and gleefully rubbing salt in the wound is no less 'bullying' behaviour than Helen's shouting.

[joeysteele]

I get fed up with hearing people play the bully card. By the reckoning on here, if you have an opinion about someone and have the audacity to voice your opinion openly then you are a bully.. in which case, the house is full of bullies.. as is this forum.

Time to put your adult pants on people.. Helen is not a bully. she is HONEST.

What a great post, well said and great observations too.

If Helen is a bully, which I agree with you she is not,she is definitely the worst I have come across since she shows her actions and just if anyone was to miss those actions somehow,she shouts her actions too for all to hear.

A bully would avoid doing any of that at all costs.

[kefln]

Another point about Helen and her "honesty":

Last night in the DR she had this to say about Ashleigh:
"She's so much more rude than me, she speaks to her friends like ****"

Here is an example of Helen speaking her mind:
‘Oh for ****** sake, bore the ****** off! Bore off, bore off! It’s a question. You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

Ashleigh ruder than that? I don't think so.

And how does Helen know how Ashleigh talks to her friends? Or could it be that she's making things up?

Honest Helen? Bending the truth? How could it be? :hehe:

[FlippingEck]

But NOBODY who is a fan of Ashleigh actually believes she is angelic or a princess. Only people who dislike Ashleigh believe that she is trying to portray that image and that we are lapping it up.




How many Ashleigh fans on here have "Princess Ashleigh" in their "sig" ?

[jessicadanielle]

How many Ashleigh fans on here have "Princess Ashleigh" in their "sig" ?

I wouldn't say that means they think she's angelic and princess like.
How many Ashleigh fans don't have "Princess Ashleigh" in their sig?

[FlippingEck]

I wouldn't say that means they think she's angelic and princess like.
How many Ashleigh fans don't have "Princess Ashleigh" in their sig?

Why would you call someone "princess" unless you are

a) insinuating they are princess like or
b) being ironic

[Samm]

Ashleigh is hardly Mother Theresa herself. :laugh:

Yet again this is a thread about Helen why do you feel the need to bring Ashleigh in?

[susie q]

I get fed up with hearing people play the bully card. By the reckoning on here, if you have an opinion about someone and have the audacity to voice your opinion openly then you are a bully.. in which case, the house is full of bullies.. as is this forum.

Time to put your adult pants on people.. Helen is not a bully. she is HONEST.

So you would be happy to share a house with her then?

[susie q]

You do not have to hit someone to be a bully. Verbal abuse and intimidation leave longer lasting scars than violence, at least this is what many people who have been in violent relationships say.
If Helen wins it would send out completely the wrong message, and for me it would be the time to end Big Brother.

[Tarryn]

I don't think Helen is a bully, I just think she is a horrible person.
No matter what you say to her she is never happy.
Always sees the worst in people but can see no wrong in herself.
I just don't understand why anyone would want a person like that to win the show & the money.

[Kizzy]

Another point about Helen and her "honesty":

Last night in the DR she had this to say about Ashleigh:
"She's so much more rude than me, she speaks to her friends like ****"

Here is an example of Helen speaking her mind:
‘Oh for ****** sake, bore the ****** off! Bore off, bore off! It’s a question. You’re a very bitter, nasty back stabbing little b******d. You’ve completely transformed, you turned into a p*s*y, the other night and you let Toya take your ******ing back lash...******ing p*ssy, match up to your ******ing description you ******ing weed’.

Ashleigh ruder than that? I don't think so.

And how does Helen know how Ashleigh talks to her friends? Or could it be that she's making things up?

Honest Helen? Bending the truth? How could it be? :hehe:

Ashleigh threatened to put her best fwend in the house through a mirror the other day :idc:

[kefln]

Ashleigh threatened to put her best fwend in the house through a mirror the other day :idc:
Well she said that she felt like it. Whats your point?

[Liam-]

Well she said that she felt like it. Whats your point?

Incorrect, she said 'I'm going to smash his head into a ****ing mirror in a minute' not that she wanted to, that she was going to.

[Marsh.]

But no warning for Miss Perfect. :hehe:

Everything Helen says is literal apparently.

[kefln]

Incorrect, she said 'I'm going to smash his head into a ****ing mirror in a minute' not that she wanted to, that she was going to.
Actually what she said was: "I feel like I'm going to bash Christophers head off a mirror". He called her immature, she told him to ****** off, and she said something immature. And it what? Proves that she has a temper during an argument?

[Liam-]

Actually what she said was: "I feel like I'm going to bash Christophers head off a mirror". He called her immature, she told him to ****** off, and she said something immature. And it what? Proves that she has a temper during an argument?

I think there might be a case of selective hearing going around.. be definitely didn't say she felt like it, she said she was going to.

[Kizzy]

Well she said that she felt like it. Whats your point?

My point if it really needs driving home is they were both sounding off... Except it was to her 'friend' and they WEREN'T arguing, she just bawled him out as she was 'tired'.

[FlippingEck]

So you would be happy to share a house with her then?

I would be very happy to share a house with Helen. I like people who are up front and say it as it is. At least you know where you stand with that.

[kefln]

I think there might be a case of selective hearing going around.. be definitely didn't say she felt like it, she said she was going to.
How can quoting a person be called selective hearing? Especially in a post where I said that she was being immature?

Selective reading perhaps?

[kefln]

My point if it really needs driving home is they were both sounding off... Except it was to her 'friend' and they WEREN'T arguing, she just bawled him out as she was 'tired'.
They had a fight. They made up. Mountain, mole hill, lets introduce you...

[FlippingEck]

You do not have to hit someone to be a bully. Verbal abuse and intimidation leave longer lasting scars than violence, at least this is what many people who have been in violent relationships say.
If Helen wins it would send out completely the wrong message, and for me it would be the time to end Big Brother.

Well firstly may I remind you, you do have an "off" button and are not forced to watch BB if you don't like it.
Mental abuse does leave longer lasting scars than violence, but who exactly has Helen intimidated? Who has she verbally abused? What message would Helen winning send out?

[susie q]

Well firstly may I remind you, you do have an "off" button and are not forced to watch BB if you don't like it.
Mental abuse does leave longer lasting scars than violence, but who exactly has Helen intimidated? Who has she verbally abused? What message would Helen winning send out?

Firstly I do not need reminding that I have an off button, I located it a good few years ago. As for Helen she has said abusive things to just about all the housemates including her friends, eg Jale "slug" Kimberley "tramp".
I appreciate that some people may find that entertaining but I dont, and I am as entitled as anyone to state my opinion with out having to put up with the heavy duty sarcasm, which by the way really is the "lowest form of wit"
If she wins that will mean people (yourself perhaps) who engage in vile, aggressive ways of speaking will think it is okay to do so, and even be rewarded for it.

[mrflibble]

One of the many reasons I hate Helen is because she is the ultimate personification of a school bully who hasn't grown up. I do wonder sometimes if Helen fans have ever been bullied. Helen reminds me of the girl who punched me in the stomach because I was fat (I was 8), the girl in high school who knocked my books off my desk whenever she walked past, the girl who would come up to me in front of everyone and call me 'big nose' or some other kind of shallow remark and then go off and laugh with her friends, leaving me sitting there alone with everyone staring and laughing. I was lucky in that I couldn't have cared less about what these people were saying because I don't have any respect for people like that and when I kept standing up to them (eg, 'you're fat' 'I know' *bully is confused*) and not giving them a reaction they eventually stopped. But I hated the attention and the isolation caused (partly from the bully and partly from me just feeling uncomfortable around everyone) and I know that these people are why I still feel uncomfortable when I leave the house and if I hear people laughing I think they're laughing at me. And I can't imagine what it would be like for people who would take their comments and actions to heart. And to me, Helen is one of those people who makes everyone's life a living hell. That's who I see.

And I wouldn't want anyone who has caused that much misery in someone's life to win something that re-affirms they are in the right. The only thing that Helen deserves to win is the ability to look at herself for who and what she is, not what she thinks she is, and to make positive changes in her life. Winning BB will not allow that.

[Withano]

Didn't you know, controversy is super entertaining. Being a nice, well mannered human means **** all when an aggressive **** is filling airtime with arguments.

Big Brother fans are the main reason why Big Brother is failing.

[ruiphillips]

The people who stan for Helen used to stan for Toya.

That's all....

[CaudleHalbard]

Who's Stan? :)

[Forgetmenot]

pa-t-ACWYBA

A nasty horrible person who has received multiple warnings for bullying and aggressive behaviour.
The reason why has been said on here over and over and over! Helen is REAL Helenis honest..people like that.she is not perfect, none of them are, but what you see is what you get. She is painfully sensitive and very kind hearted.say no more

[tanussa]

The ex housemates who dislike Ashleigh are the ones who were part of Helen's nasty gang. The ex housemates who like Ashleigh are the ones who hated Helen's nasty gang.
Ashleigh has been against Helen and her nasty gang throughout the show. Obviously she will be hated for this and she will be insulted and called vile names because she is against Helen. I don't support the nasty gang and their disgusting leader Helen.

you are so infatuated with ashleigh, we can try and try again til we are blue in the face, you will never accept the truth, how bitter and nasty she really is, have you never seen the nasty looks she gives people with those horrible narrowed eyes. at least the people who prefer helen accept that she has bad points, you paint ashleigh as a saint

[Achilles]

you are so infatuated with ashleigh, we can try and try again til we are blue in the face, you will never accept the truth, how bitter and nasty she really is, have you never seen the nasty looks she gives people with those horrible narrowed eyes. at least the people who prefer helen accept that she has bad points, you paint ashleigh as a saint

Bullying should never be accepted and definitely not supported. Ashleigh doesn't like Helen because Helen is nasty and a bully. Justified.

[Liam-]

One of the many reasons I hate Helen is because she is the ultimate personification of a school bully who hasn't grown up. I do wonder sometimes if Helen fans have ever been bullied. Helen reminds me of the girl who punched me in the stomach because I was fat (I was 8), the girl in high school who knocked my books off my desk whenever she walked past, the girl who would come up to me in front of everyone and call me 'big nose' or some other kind of shallow remark and then go off and laugh with her friends, leaving me sitting there alone with everyone staring and laughing. I was lucky in that I couldn't have cared less about what these people were saying because I don't have any respect for people like that and when I kept standing up to them (eg, 'you're fat' 'I know' *bully is confused*) and not giving them a reaction they eventually stopped. But I hated the attention and the isolation caused (partly from the bully and partly from me just feeling uncomfortable around everyone) and I know that these people are why I still feel uncomfortable when I leave the house and if I hear people laughing I think they're laughing at me. And I can't imagine what it would be like for people who would take their comments and actions to heart. And to me, Helen is one of those people who makes everyone's life a living hell. That's who I see.

And I wouldn't want anyone who has caused that much misery in someone's life to win something that re-affirms they are in the right. The only thing that Helen deserves to win is the ability to look at herself for who and what she is, not what she thinks she is, and to make positive changes in her life. Winning BB will not allow that.

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

[abhorson]

The great thing is though, that most don't want the bully to win.

[jessicadanielle]

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

[Achilles]

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

[Liam-]

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid :shrug:

[Kazanne]

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

She wanted to get rid of Ash to hurt Helen,that's nasty in my book

[Kazanne]

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid :shrug:

Yes you see them ten a penny in the corner of the playground,with a couple of other bitches with them,sneering and whispering,I know exactly what you mean Liam.

[bots]

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

This is my view too, and i said it in a thread earlier today, and it was treated with scorn. I believe Helen has been the victim of bullying more than any other hm this year.

For those that missed it .... http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261433

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Tbf Big Brother has been the bully this year so why not?

Helen to win for me.

[FlippingEck]

She wanted to get rid of Ash to hurt Helen,that's nasty in my book

A lot of her actions have been to deliberately cause trouble and hurt people.. and then she sits back and watches.. she is a nasty vindictive little witch. :nono:

[bots]

Tbf Big Brother has been the bully this year so why not?

Helen to win for me.

I believe BB has been the biggest bully of them all

[Liam-]

Yes you see them ten a penny in the corner of the playground,with a couple of other bitches with them,sneering and whispering,I know exactly what you mean Liam.

I'm sick to death of seeing people claim that people like Ashleigh can't be bullies because she's some sort of superwoman sent from heaven :nono:

[jessicadanielle]

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid :shrug:

I didn't sayyyyy you thought she was a bully, I was just agreeing I don't think she is one either! And my post said a lot of what you said here, so looks like we agree :)

[Kazanne]

A lot of her actions have been to deliberately cause trouble and hurt people.. and then she sits back and watches.. she is a nasty vindictive little witch. :nono:

I wasn't bothered by her until she did that,I thought it very sly,so glad it backfired .:wavey:

[abhorson]

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

[jessicadanielle]

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

I kind of agree, they had been pretty dickish to her. She wanted to show Helen she can't bang about the house acting like the boss all the time. I don't even think it was all that personal to Ash, more personal to Helen (though she didn't like Ash either obviously)

[Robodog]

Helen shouts - but that alone doesn't make her a bully. Her name calling of Jale was horrible. But Jale never thought of Helen as a bully. She seems to like her, in fact.

The closest i've seen to bullying in that house was Ashleigh and her 'evil plan'. She deliberately excluded Helen from the group of girls, manipulated them all into nominating Ash - just to hurt Helen.

Exclusion of one person, manipulating a group against them for the sole purpose of hurting that person - that's much more like bullying to me.

[Liam-]

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried

[Achilles]

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried

You claim you were bullied and support Helen, a bully, so why not? :shrug:

[FlippingEck]

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

Interestingly Jale doesn't seem to agree... She was asked directly by an audience member on BOTS if she thought Helen was a bully and she said NO! funny that :sleep:

[FlippingEck]

You claim you were bullied and support Helen, a bully, so why not? :shrug:


He hasn't been bullied by Helen, (nor has anyone else!) and isn't friends with her?? :pat:

[Liam-]

You claim you were bullied and support Helen, a bully, so why not? :shrug:

I don't 'claim' anything, i acknowledge that i was bullied and yes i do support Helen, because as i've said, i see Ashleigh as a bully, not Helen :idc:

[abhorson]

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried


I knew kids at school who were bullied and then tried to fit in with that group. It happens sometimes.

[Achilles]

I don't 'claim' anything, i acknowledge that i was bullied and yes i do support Helen, because as i've said, i see Ashleigh as a bully, not Helen :idc:

The reason I don't believe a word you say is not because you say Helen is not a bully but because you say Helen is not a bully, Ashleigh is a bully.

[Marsh.]

Well unfortunately it has to be, we only have these 6 to choose from after all.

[Kazanne]

Helen shouts - but that alone doesn't make her a bully. Her name calling of Jale was horrible. But Jale never thought of Helen as a bully. She seems to like her, in fact.

The closest i've seen to bullying in that house was Ashleigh and her 'evil plan'. She deliberately excluded Helen from the group of girls, manipulated them all into nominating Ash - just to hurt Helen.

Exclusion of one person, manipulating a group against them for the sole purpose of hurting that person - that's much more like bullying to me.

:clap1:Aint,that the truth

[Liam-]

The reason I don't believe a word you say is not because you say Helen is not a bully but because you say Helen is not a bully, Ashleigh is a bully.

Where have i once said that Ashleigh is a bully?... if You're going to question my integrity, at least read things properly, I've never once said Ashleigh is a bully, i said people like Ashleigh are bullies, jeeze :idc:

[abhorson]

Where have i once said that Ashleigh is a bully?... if You're going to question my integrity, at least read things properly, I've never once said Ashleigh is a bully, i said people like Ashleigh are bullies, jeeze :idc:

People like. WTF does that mean?

[Liam-]

People like. WTF does that mean?

People who carry the same traits as her, ie; sly, vindictive, cold, two faced, sneaky, manipulative.. you get the idea, Ashleigh hasn't used those traits in a bullying way as far as i can see but she still carries them, but other people who carry those traits can use them and be the worst kind of bully, hence, people like Asheligh are bullies, i never accused Ashleigh of being a bully herself

[abhorson]

People who carry the same traits as her, ie; sly, vindictive, cold, two faced, sneaky, manipulative.. you get the idea, Ashleigh hasn't used those traits in a bullying way as far as i can see but she still carries them, but other people who carry those traits can use them and be the worst kind of bully, hence, people like Asheligh are bullies, i never accused Ashleigh of being a bully herself

And you prefer Helen:laugh:

I would hope Ashleigh does not win, but i can see that Helen is worse than this, x5.

[Liam-]

And you prefer Helen:laugh:

I would hope Ashleigh does not win, but i can see that Helen is worse than this, x5.

Yes i do prefer Helen, because in my opinion Ashleigh is worse, you can have your opinion that's fine, but respect mine and other peoples :nono:
I'd much rather be around someone like Helen than someone like Ashleigh

[abhorson]

Yes i do prefer Helen, because in my opinion Ashleigh is worse, you can have your opinion that's fine, but respect mine and other peoples :nono:
I'd much rather be around someone like Helen than someone like Ashleigh

Which is fair enough.

But the majority will be with Ashleigh i feel. And thus the winner. Does not make each of us right or wrong. But a big indication.

[Liam-]

Which is fair enough.

But the majority will be with Ashleigh i feel. And thus the winner. Does not make each of us right or wrong. But a big indication.

If she wins, that's fine, i wouldnt even be mad if she won because admittedly she has played a big part in the show as of late, i'd just prefer her not to :joker:

[Achilles]

Yes i do prefer Helen, because in my opinion Ashleigh is worse, you can have your opinion that's fine, but respect mine and other peoples :nono:
I'd much rather be around someone like Helen than someone like Ashleigh

There is no opinion when it comes to bullying. Bullying is wrong. If you support bullying you are as bad as the bully themselves.

[Liam-]

There is no opinion when it comes to bullying. Bullying is wrong. If you support bullying you are as bad as the bully themselves.

If I saw something as bullying I'd say it was wrong and oppose it, but I don't see anything that has happened in there as bullying.. Don't keep calling me a bully, you know nothing about me nor will you ever know anything about me :nono:

[Achilles]

If I saw something as bullying I'd say it was wrong and oppose it, but I don't see anything that has happened in there as bullying.. Don't keep calling me a bully, you know nothing about me nor will you ever know anything about me :nono:

The upload shows BULLYING. Helen and her gang of twats bullying Christopher.

[M X]

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

Regardless of whether you think Ashleigh is nice or nasty, it is totally ignorant and naive to place their behaviour in the same category. Helen has been a vile bully. Insulting peoples physical appearance, purposely saying words to hurt their feelings as much as she can because it makes her feel better, and she has enjoyed making the atmosphere for other housemates uncomfortable and tense. Ashleigh has not done that.

[Liam-]

The upload shows BULLYING. Helen and her gang of twats bullying Christopher.

In your opinion.. In my opinion it doesn't show bullying, it shows a group of people using their right to express their dislike for someone, not bullying

[mrflibble]

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh
Fair enough. I don't see those traits in Ashleigh at all and I do feel that Ashleigh's actions are her responding to the bullying from Helen and trying to take down the bully, but it's interesting to hear another perspective.

[the truth]

Show at least 5 clips of Ashleigh being just as nasty as Helen because it's not very hard to find 5 of Helen being horrible.

i would never want helen to win

but horrible isnt always whats on the surface its more what lies beneath.........helen was at leats nice to pav , loyal to ash , winston and got on with steve and his yankeee lass too........im not convinced ashleigh is necessarily any nicer or warmer herself

[Jay28jay2]

What annoys me is that she basically only got there with a pass, so she is lucky that she even got to the Finals if it wasnt for Jazzi P and her power. :shrug:

[Amy Jade]

The ex housemates who dislike Ashleigh are the ones who were part of Helen's nasty gang. The ex housemates who like Ashleigh are the ones who hated Helen's nasty gang.
Boooorinnnggg

You keep calling Helen's friends nasty when in reality those aligned with Ashleigh were and have been MUCH worse since their exit

You keep harping on like Ashleigh is a total angel devoid of any blame for ex housemates disliking her when the reality is she brought it all on herself, it feels like borderline delusion at this point.

[Amy Jade]

There is no opinion when it comes to bullying. Bullying is wrong. If you support bullying you are as bad as the bully themselves.

You are wrong and really silly to accuse anyone who likes Helen of being a bully.

You seem to be trying to gain Ashleigh some sort of sympathy vote on here by running with this, it's tiresome really.

[ozzyshaggah]

there's normal nasty, then theres Helen kind of nasty..bb's warnings prove to every viewer just who has been the nastiest.

yes
and there is *******igh nasty and vile :cheer2:

[arista]

pa-t-ACWYBA

A nasty horrible person who has received multiple warnings for bullying and aggressive behaviour.


Because she has a Heart



That bitch you like
is Evil.

[JCrow]

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

We see that all too well and its very disheartening. Not counting Pauline, Helen has caused EVERYTHING. Watch from the beginning and can see why Ashleigh and so many others talked **** about Helen. Its OBVIOUS! If you still don't get it you're just as delusional as Helen is.

[JCrow]

You are wrong and really silly to accuse anyone who likes Helen of being a bully.

You seem to be trying to gain Ashleigh some sort of sympathy vote on here by running with this, it's tiresome really.

I know, the truth really can be tiresome. You know, if Ash hadn't left his balls at home he'd have had a great chance at winning this. I really hope he grows some and gives honest answers as to why he thought it was ok to sit by and watch his "friend" act like that. He could have helped her by being honest, he wasn't lacking friends in the house so he could have said enough I'm going over here. Then again, maybe he wanted her to continue that way so it would be one less person to contend with at the end, hmm...

[JCrow]

Boooorinnnggg

You keep calling Helen's friends nasty when in reality those aligned with Ashleigh were and have been MUCH worse since their exit

You keep harping on like Ashleigh is a total angel devoid of any blame for ex housemates disliking her when the reality is she brought it all on herself, it feels like borderline delusion at this point.

You Know Achilles is EXACTLY right, exactly. I have to wonder at your use of the word 'delusional'

[EdemMusic]

Because the ex housemates who were in Helen's gang pay them to

[Fendertele]

It seems that bad behaviour is rewarded, for some unknown reason....

[Amy Jade]

You Know Achilles is EXACTLY right, exactly. I have to wonder at your use of the word 'delusional'
:rolleyes:

[Cold Sweat]

I'm hoping the majority of voters don't want Helen to win... but it isn't looking great!

[Bedouin]

Because basically no one understands what virtue is.
Just blind roombas.