Would you like Ashleigh as a friend?

[Raph]

I personally wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who is grumpy 9 times out of 10 and only spends her time bitching about people. Not to mention the fact she talks down to her friends all the time, and constantly isolates herself from the group to ostracize Helen and crew. And all those snidey comments and eye-rolls :bored:

I'd much rather Helen as a friend. :douf:

[billy123]

Ewww no who would want someone like that in their life she is pig ugly on the inside.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes because what she is like on a tv programme is what she is like in real life


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[Tip]

I wouldn't want any of them in there to be my friend - what's up with that?
Heh.

[Pete.]

Yes of course because the Big Brother house environment is much more different to the real world

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean... I think most people would be miserable if you had to live with Helen, Ash, Winston, Marlon, Tamara, Steven, Pauline, etc. for an extended amount of time. Being grumpy about those people certainly isn't a character flaw.

[Achilles]

I would want to be Ashleigh's friend because she is a lovely person. I don't hate people who are lovely, I hate nasty bullies like Helen.

[joeysteele]

No because of her 2 faced ways,I could never know where I stood with her or what she was saying about me behind my back to others.
I hate people talking about me to others and not to me and I have seen the disaster that 2 faced people can bring to others lives too.

So for that main reason I would want nothing at all to do with Ashleigh

I would be likely constantly at odds with Helen too as to her behaviour a lot of the time but at least I'd feel I could say what I liked to Helen and I would be left in no doubt what she thought of me or where I stood with her.
therefore I would feel able to trust her whereas Ashleigh I wouldn't trust at all as to just about anything.

[Ellen]

No, she bitches too much in a spiteful way. Too sulky and cant be doing with the silly lost girl act.

[rubymoo]

If i had to go on what i've seen on BB, then the answer would be no!

Because she seems to look down her nose at you and i've not really seen her have a great conversation without it being a bitch session and life is too short to bitch!

She seems way too serious like she has the weight of the world on her shoulders, and she comes across as patronizing and condescending.

[Marsh.]

No, she drags the mood down.

[Vanessa]

I personally wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who is grumpy 9 times out of 10 and only spends her time bitching about people. Not to mention the fact she talks down to her friends all the time, and constantly isolates herself from the group to ostracize Helen and crew. And all those snidey comments and eye-rolls :bored:

I'd much rather Helen as a friend. :douf:

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[Macie Lightfoot]

constantly isolates herself from the group to ostracize Helen and crew.

am I the only one who finds this hilarious

[kefln]

I personally wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who is grumpy 9 times out of 10 and only spends her time bitching about people. Not to mention the fact she talks down to her friends all the time, and constantly isolates herself from the group to ostracize Helen and crew. And all those snidey comments and eye-rolls :bored:

I'd much rather Helen as a friend. :douf:
Yes, the Helen that shouts, ostracises people, picks on the isolated, calls people names, sleeps with husbands for money, a gem of a friend. :joker:

Your whole logic is faulty, Ashleigh complains about the behaviour and attitude of Helen, while Helen does the same about her. Remove Helen, Ashleigh would relax. But as has been proven with her multiple fights, and that she was told to tone down or be kicked out, Helen will always find someone to argue with.

[kefln]

am I the only one who finds this hilarious
No, I'm right there with you. :laugh:

It's all part of the "poor Helen" myth that has been building for the last few weeks.

[chuff me dizzy]

Are you joking ? miserable, disloyal,fake,nasty and don't for Gods sake go to toilet while your boyfriend is around or she will be pretending to be drunk snuggled upto him

[Kazanne]

No,definately not,could never trust her.

[Vanessa]

No,definately not,could never trust her.

I don't want to be friends with nasty people.

[billy123]

No, she bitches too much in a spiteful way. Too sulky and cant be doing with the silly lost girl act.Spot on! :thumbs:

[waterhog]

this great lady is only 18 years of age. would i like her as a friend ? well if i was younger i would propose with a poem as i LOVE HER.


she is good stuff. the winner by far.

[Cherie]

No Christopher or Pav would make good friends I think though not sure what I think after Christophers actions last night

[chuff me dizzy]

No Christopher or Pav would make good friends I think

I went right off Pav last night ,he was using Helen to try to make himself look big while twisting a knife in her back ,the speech in the toilet was all for HIM, not Helen ,his defence of her in task was unreal for someone supposed to be a friend
,he deliberately kept pushing the "aggressive" bit ,he would not be a loyal friend to anyone

[Vanessa]

I went right off Pav last night ,he was using Helen to try to make himself look big while twisting a knife in her back ,the speech in the toilet was all for HIM, not Helen ,his defence of her in task was unreal for someone supposed to be a friend
,he deliberately kept pushing the "aggressive" bit ,he would not be a loyal friend to anyone

This is true.

[Cherie]

I went right off Pav last night ,he was using Helen to try to make himself look big while twisting a knife in her back ,the speech in the toilet was all for HIM, not Helen ,his defence of her in task was unreal for someone supposed to be a friend
,he deliberately kept pushing the "aggressive" bit ,he would not be a loyal friend to anyone

The clip we saw on the highlight was significantly different to the upload I thought Chuff, the upload was a bit more balanced from Pav.

[chuff me dizzy]

The clip we saw on the highlight was significantly different to the upload I thought Chuff, the upload was a bit more balanced from Pav.

It looked to me like he he threw her under the bus for his own ends, turned me right off him

[Northern Monkey]

I'd let her be a special friend.If she was lucky:joker:

[Sophiee]

yes I could definitely see myself being friends with ashleigh. she's got the right balance of having fun, deep chats, bitching, sense of humour etc. helen on the other hand; no way. she'd annoy me too much and I'd always feel conscious that she was going to turn on me at any moment.

[MB.]

More than with Helen - I don't see where this conception of her being the good guy because she 'keeps it real' and 'says things to people's faces' has come from. That isn't a good thing. And anyway, she's hardly been immune to the odd bitching session herself, except that she's tended to do deny it - qualities I wouldn't like to have in a friend

[Marsh.]

this great lady is only 18 years of age.

NO!!!!!!!!! :eek:

I refuse to believe it, it's just too shocking to be true... D: Are you actually serious? http://randomtopics.org/images/smilies/faintTHUD.gif

[Iceman]

No not at all. She's the most two faced in there. She's bitched the whole way through.

[chuff me dizzy]

NO!!!!!!!!! :eek:

I refuse to believe it, it's just too shocking to be true... D: Are you actually serious? http://randomtopics.org/images/smilies/faintTHUD.gif

Well Marsh you learn something everyday don't you ?why hasn't it mentioned before ? BB best hid secret

[Raph]

No not at all. She's the most two faced in there. She's bitched the whole way through.

Simple and to the point, agreed 100% :)

[Liam-]

I like to be able to trust my friends and seeing as i could throw Ashleigh further than i could trust her, the answer would be no.. plus, i couldn't be friends with someone without a sense of humor :shrug:

[CaudleHalbard]

Ashleigh would be a depressing person to be around, from what we have seen over the past 9 weeks.

So the answer to the question in the thread title is a most definite NO.

[kefln]

Lets see sitting around talking about "fingerblasting" when Helen and co, versus being able to have an actual conversation with the likes of Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher...I know where I'd be sitting...

[reece(:]

I want to be best friends with Drunk Ashleigh.

[JoshBB]

threw her under the bus

omg this phrase is so overused this series lol

o/t: I wouldn't want Ashleigh as a friend. She is rude and bitchy.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah with benefits lol.

Seriously though I think that I would have my ups and downs with her if I was in the house as sometimes I would get annoyed at her miserable personality when I was trying to have fun, but she would be good to talk to if you wanted to bitch or talk about something a little more serious.

[Firewire]

Absolutely, I love a good bitch

[Marsh.]

Lets see sitting around talking about "fingerblasting" when Helen and co, versus being able to have an actual conversation with the likes of Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher...I know where I'd be sitting...

What conversations are these, talking about Helen and co talking about finger blasting? Riveting.

[FlippingEck]

Not on your nelly.

[Samm]

Yes would love her as a friend :lovedup:

[ozzyshaggah]

nope never

she is fugly on the ouside and fugly on the inside

hopefuly first out

[Creggle]

Neither tbh, but if I had to make a choice it would be Ashleigh simply because it's not 100% certain what she would be like on the outside, she could be absolutely lovely, whereas with Helen you know what you're getting and the gitting ent gud.

[spot_on]

I personally wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who is grumpy 9 times out of 10 and only spends her time bitching about people. Not to mention the fact she talks down to her friends all the time, and constantly isolates herself from the group to ostracize Helen and crew. And all those snidey comments and eye-rolls :bored:

I'd much rather Helen as a friend. :douf:

You'd much rather be friends with someone whom you would have to walk on egg shells all the time because of her temper?

[AarynGriesfan]

if I lived over there me and Ashleigh would totally be bffs.

[tanussa]

I would want to be Ashleigh's friend because she is a lovely person. I don't hate people who are lovely, I hate nasty bullies like Helen.

you do make me laugh!:joker:

[tanussa]

helen isnt like that with her friends, she is loyal and caring to her mates, cant say same for ashleigh

[Kizzy]

I personally wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who is grumpy 9 times out of 10 and only spends her time bitching about people. Not to mention the fact she talks down to her friends all the time, and constantly isolates herself from the group to ostracize Helen and crew. And all those snidey comments and eye-rolls :bored:

I'd much rather Helen as a friend. :douf:

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[smudgie]

No, far too bitchy and miserable.
She appears to have good morals, in her favour.


Personally I would prefer a night out with Helen, she can bitch to my face and I can give her it straight back rather than sour face bitching in the loo about me.
I am ok with Helens morals as well, can't beat a fun time girl for a good night out.:laugh:

[curlsltd]

Probably not.

[Pink Pegasus]

No. Absolutely not.
She would bore me senseless and I just don't trust her.

I get the impression she only has time for people who constantly tell her how wonderful she is. Danielle absolutely fawned over her, as does Chris.
Yet she never defended Danielle when the rest were saying that she had dragged Ashleigh down and how the house was better without her. She nodded along when Mark was saying how horrible Chris was for letting Christopher fight his battle.
I don't really believe she has much loyalty for people unless they have some use to her like not nominating her, or stroking her ego, or agreeing to power nominate the people she wants.

(I know people say the same about Helen but in the past Mark did openly and vigorously disagree with Helen over things and she still remained close friends with him. She's had both Toya and Pav in the bathroom telling her how terrible her traits are and she actually agreed and didn't instantly fight with them over it -although she did get drunk and blow her chances with Toya by going straight out afterwards and complaining about Danielle to the boys.
Her friends seem to constantly point out her bad traits to her like being aggressive but she still remains friends with them. She has tried to acknowledge her faults and even became much closer to Chris for awhile after discussing ways in which she needs to change.
It is just unfortunate that she waked in at the wrong point of conversation between Ashleigh and Chris as I do believe her interpretation of the conversation genuinely hurt and surprised her because they had being getting along so well. So I don't believe for a second that Helen only likes people who are "up her arse" or "people who always agree with her.")

Ashleigh on the other hand, her pals seem more like adoring fans rather than regular friends. Constantly telling her what a beautiful, wonderful, amazing young girl she is.

Ashleigh took a strong dislike to and bitched about Helen long before Helen ever did anything to her personally. I recall in the early days that Ashleigh would say she felt ignored by Helen or else that Helen didn't have much time for her. (which may have just been the age difference imo, Helen hadn't actually uttered a bad word to her), I remember Helen sometimes just innocently walking past Danielle and Ashleigh in the house or garden and Ashleigh with a look of pure contempt muttering things like "she's disgusting" and/or commenting on Helen's plastic surgery. Or the face on her when Helen and Kim exercised. She just came across as a nasty jealous little bitch to me.
When Ashleigh's hostility to her became a little more obvious with dirty looks and stuff, I also remember Helen in the area they do their hair, speaking with Kim and Jale and Helen being very confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was with her, and saying she had never done or said a single thing to that girl. She was wary about confronting her because of the age difference, but did seem genuinely confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was.

I don't think Ashleigh liked when Ash voted Helen has the most attractive housemate early on, or the way Ash also never had huge time for her but was much more interested in Helen. The absolute shock from her with Chris saying Helen was the hottest housemate, and the bitchy little comment in the garden "there goes your sexiest housemate". All quite spiteful and comes across insecure to me.

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.
I know as the series progressed Helen's arguments with others gave plenty more reasons for Ashleigh to genuinely have a problem with and not like her, but I really believe Ashleigh started the bitchiness and the hostility between just the two of them, and I believe it was because she hated the fact Helen and Ash just didn't give her enough attention at the start.

I think Ashleigh may be used to being the prettiest and most opinionated in her own group of friends and perhaps even often getting her own way, people telling her she's great etc. Which is why I think she was so quiet in the house at the start because she wasn't the centre of attention anymore.
Might also explain the constant miserable puss on her face too.

A lot of this is of course just supposition on my part, but this is just the impression I get of her from the hour we see each night.

(I of course don't think Helen is a saint either, has obviously got some very bad traits too but I would still trust her more as a friend over Ashleigh)

[Liam-]

No. Absolutely not.
She would bore me senseless and I just don't trust her.

I get the impression she only has time for people who constantly tell her how wonderful she is. Danielle absolutely fawned over her, as does Chris.
Yet she never defended Danielle when the rest were saying that she had dragged Ashleigh down and how the house was better without her. She nodded along when Mark was saying how horrible Chris was for letting Christopher fight his battle.
I don't really believe she has much loyalty for people unless they have some use to her like not nominating her, or stroking her ego, or agreeing to power nominate the people she wants.

(I know people say the same about Helen but in the past Mark did openly and vigorously disagree with Helen over things and she still remained close friends with him. She's had both Toya and Pav in the bathroom telling her how terrible her traits are and she actually agreed and didn't instantly fight with them over it -although she did get drunk and blow her chances with Toya by going straight out afterwards and complaining about Danielle to the boys.
Her friends seem to constantly point out her bad traits to her like being aggressive but she still remains friends with them. She has tried to acknowledge her faults and even became much closer to Chris for awhile after discussing ways in which she needs to change.
It is just unfortunate that she waked in at the wrong point of conversation between Ashleigh and Chris as I do believe her interpretation of the conversation genuinely hurt and surprised her because they had being getting along so well. So I don't believe for a second that Helen only likes people who are "up her arse" or "people who always agree with her.")

Ashleigh on the other hand, her pals seem more like adoring fans rather than regular friends. Constantly telling her what a beautiful, wonderful, amazing young girl she is.

Ashleigh took a strong dislike to and bitched about Helen long before Helen ever did anything to her personally. I recall in the early days that Ashleigh would say she felt ignored by Helen or else that Helen didn't have much time for her. (which may have just been the age difference imo, Helen hadn't actually uttered a bad word to her), I remember Helen sometimes just innocently walking past Danielle and Ashleigh in the house or garden and Ashleigh with a look of pure contempt muttering things like "she's disgusting" and/or commenting on Helen's plastic surgery. Or the face on her when Helen and Kim exercised. She just came across as a nasty jealous little bitch to me.
When Ashleigh's hostility to her became a little more obvious with dirty looks and stuff, I also remember Helen in the area they do their hair, speaking with Kim and Jale and Helen being very confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was with her, and saying she had never done or said a single thing to that girl. She was wary about confronting her because of the age difference, but did seem genuinely confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was.

I don't think Ashleigh liked when Ash voted Helen has the most attractive housemate early on, or the way Ash also never had huge time for her but was much more interested in Helen. The absolute shock from her with Chris saying Helen was the hottest housemate, and the bitchy little comment in the garden "there goes your sexiest housemate". All quite spiteful and comes across insecure to me.

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.
I know as the series progressed Helen's arguments with others gave plenty more reasons for Ashleigh to genuinely have a problem with and not like her, but I really believe Ashleigh started the bitchiness and the hostility between just the two of them, and I believe it was because she hated the fact Helen and Ash just didn't give her enough attention at the start.

I think Ashleigh may be used to being the prettiest and most opinionated in her own group of friends and perhaps even often getting her own way, people telling her she's great etc. Which is why I think she was so quiet in the house at the start because she wasn't the centre of attention anymore.
Might also explain the constant miserable puss on her face too.

A lot of this is of course just supposition on my part, but this is just the impression I get of her from the hour we see each night.

(I of course don't think Helen is a saint either, has obviously got some very bad traits too but I would still trust her more as a friend over Ashleigh)

:worship::worship:

[Denver]

No i dont fancy a 9inch blade stuck between my shoulders

[GypsyGoth]

That was a good read Pinkpegasus :love:

[M X]

I would want to be Ashleigh's friend because she is a lovely person. I don't hate people who are lovely, I hate nasty bullies like Helen.

This.

[Creggle]

:worship::worship:

Was a pretty good post that.

[joeysteele]

No. Absolutely not.
She would bore me senseless and I just don't trust her.

I get the impression she only has time for people who constantly tell her how wonderful she is. Danielle absolutely fawned over her, as does Chris.
Yet she never defended Danielle when the rest were saying that she had dragged Ashleigh down and how the house was better without her. She nodded along when Mark was saying how horrible Chris was for letting Christopher fight his battle.
I don't really believe she has much loyalty for people unless they have some use to her like not nominating her, or stroking her ego, or agreeing to power nominate the people she wants.

(I know people say the same about Helen but in the past Mark did openly and vigorously disagree with Helen over things and she still remained close friends with him. She's had both Toya and Pav in the bathroom telling her how terrible her traits are and she actually agreed and didn't instantly fight with them over it -although she did get drunk and blow her chances with Toya by going straight out afterwards and complaining about Danielle to the boys.
Her friends seem to constantly point out her bad traits to her like being aggressive but she still remains friends with them. She has tried to acknowledge her faults and even became much closer to Chris for awhile after discussing ways in which she needs to change.
It is just unfortunate that she waked in at the wrong point of conversation between Ashleigh and Chris as I do believe her interpretation of the conversation genuinely hurt and surprised her because they had being getting along so well. So I don't believe for a second that Helen only likes people who are "up her arse" or "people who always agree with her.")

Ashleigh on the other hand, her pals seem more like adoring fans rather than regular friends. Constantly telling her what a beautiful, wonderful, amazing young girl she is.

Ashleigh took a strong dislike to and bitched about Helen long before Helen ever did anything to her personally. I recall in the early days that Ashleigh would say she felt ignored by Helen or else that Helen didn't have much time for her. (which may have just been the age difference imo, Helen hadn't actually uttered a bad word to her), I remember Helen sometimes just innocently walking past Danielle and Ashleigh in the house or garden and Ashleigh with a look of pure contempt muttering things like "she's disgusting" and/or commenting on Helen's plastic surgery. Or the face on her when Helen and Kim exercised. She just came across as a nasty jealous little bitch to me.
When Ashleigh's hostility to her became a little more obvious with dirty looks and stuff, I also remember Helen in the area they do their hair, speaking with Kim and Jale and Helen being very confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was with her, and saying she had never done or said a single thing to that girl. She was wary about confronting her because of the age difference, but did seem genuinely confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was.

I don't think Ashleigh liked when Ash voted Helen has the most attractive housemate early on, or the way Ash also never had huge time for her but was much more interested in Helen. The absolute shock from her with Chris saying Helen was the hottest housemate, and the bitchy little comment in the garden "there goes your sexiest housemate". All quite spiteful and comes across insecure to me.

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.
I know as the series progressed Helen's arguments with others gave plenty more reasons for Ashleigh to genuinely have a problem with and not like her, but I really believe Ashleigh started the bitchiness and the hostility between just the two of them, and I believe it was because she hated the fact Helen and Ash just didn't give her enough attention at the start.

I think Ashleigh may be used to being the prettiest and most opinionated in her own group of friends and perhaps even often getting her own way, people telling her she's great etc. Which is why I think she was so quiet in the house at the start because she wasn't the centre of attention anymore.
Might also explain the constant miserable puss on her face too.

A lot of this is of course just supposition on my part, but this is just the impression I get of her from the hour we see each night.

(I of course don't think Helen is a saint either, has obviously got some very bad traits too but I would still trust her more as a friend over Ashleigh)

Post of this thread for me, really well presented and all true as well.

[Apenguin]

No I couldn't think of any thing worse than having Ashleigh as a friend I could ever trust someone like her & she can be quite vicious with her mouth!:sleep:

[Robodog]

Pink pegasus post says it all !

Who wants friends like that ?

Anyone who constructs 'evil plans' is best avoided in my experience

[Lex]

I went right off Pav last night ,he was using Helen to try to make himself look big while twisting a knife in her back ,the speech in the toilet was all for HIM, not Helen ,his defence of her in task was unreal for someone supposed to be a friend
,he deliberately kept pushing the "aggressive" bit ,he would not be a loyal friend to anyone

That is spot on Chuff! :thumbs: ...didn't really know what to think about the lad before he managed to finally slot himself into Helen's group [except that he has been playing the 'poor me' card for a month] and then when he made his play for 'straight-talking-friend' last night...but was so obviously self-serving!] ...I do not want him to make top 4!...and think that 5th place just in front of Sadleigh is the correct position for him to finish! :smug:


.....Oh! by the way, I forgot what the thread was about for a second. lol..

"Would I want to be friends with Ashleigh?"....erm, I don't know because I don't think that anyone has really seen the real Ashleigh have they??....but if you mean the Ashleigh that she is playing on the gameshow?....NOT ON YOUR NELLIE!!

[chuff me dizzy]

No. Absolutely not.
She would bore me senseless and I just don't trust her.

I get the impression she only has time for people who constantly tell her how wonderful she is. Danielle absolutely fawned over her, as does Chris.
Yet she never defended Danielle when the rest were saying that she had dragged Ashleigh down and how the house was better without her. She nodded along when Mark was saying how horrible Chris was for letting Christopher fight his battle.
I don't really believe she has much loyalty for people unless they have some use to her like not nominating her, or stroking her ego, or agreeing to power nominate the people she wants.

(I know people say the same about Helen but in the past Mark did openly and vigorously disagree with Helen over things and she still remained close friends with him. She's had both Toya and Pav in the bathroom telling her how terrible her traits are and she actually agreed and didn't instantly fight with them over it -although she did get drunk and blow her chances with Toya by going straight out afterwards and complaining about Danielle to the boys.
Her friends seem to constantly point out her bad traits to her like being aggressive but she still remains friends with them. She has tried to acknowledge her faults and even became much closer to Chris for awhile after discussing ways in which she needs to change.
It is just unfortunate that she waked in at the wrong point of conversation between Ashleigh and Chris as I do believe her interpretation of the conversation genuinely hurt and surprised her because they had being getting along so well. So I don't believe for a second that Helen only likes people who are "up her arse" or "people who always agree with her.")

Ashleigh on the other hand, her pals seem more like adoring fans rather than regular friends. Constantly telling her what a beautiful, wonderful, amazing young girl she is.

Ashleigh took a strong dislike to and bitched about Helen long before Helen ever did anything to her personally. I recall in the early days that Ashleigh would say she felt ignored by Helen or else that Helen didn't have much time for her. (which may have just been the age difference imo, Helen hadn't actually uttered a bad word to her), I remember Helen sometimes just innocently walking past Danielle and Ashleigh in the house or garden and Ashleigh with a look of pure contempt muttering things like "she's disgusting" and/or commenting on Helen's plastic surgery. Or the face on her when Helen and Kim exercised. She just came across as a nasty jealous little bitch to me.
When Ashleigh's hostility to her became a little more obvious with dirty looks and stuff, I also remember Helen in the area they do their hair, speaking with Kim and Jale and Helen being very confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was with her, and saying she had never done or said a single thing to that girl. She was wary about confronting her because of the age difference, but did seem genuinely confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was.

I don't think Ashleigh liked when Ash voted Helen has the most attractive housemate early on, or the way Ash also never had huge time for her but was much more interested in Helen. The absolute shock from her with Chris saying Helen was the hottest housemate, and the bitchy little comment in the garden "there goes your sexiest housemate". All quite spiteful and comes across insecure to me.

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.
I know as the series progressed Helen's arguments with others gave plenty more reasons for Ashleigh to genuinely have a problem with and not like her, but I really believe Ashleigh started the bitchiness and the hostility between just the two of them, and I believe it was because she hated the fact Helen and Ash just didn't give her enough attention at the start.

I think Ashleigh may be used to being the prettiest and most opinionated in her own group of friends and perhaps even often getting her own way, people telling her she's great etc. Which is why I think she was so quiet in the house at the start because she wasn't the centre of attention anymore.
Might also explain the constant miserable puss on her face too.

A lot of this is of course just supposition on my part, but this is just the impression I get of her from the hour we see each night.

(I of course don't think Helen is a saint either, has obviously got some very bad traits too but I would still trust her more as a friend over Ashleigh)

Excellent post ,and all so true :worship:

[chuff me dizzy]

That is spot on Chuff! :thumbs: ...didn't really know what to think about the lad before he managed to finally slot himself into Helen's group [except that he has been playing the 'poor me' card for a month] and then when he made his play for 'straight-talking-friend' last night...but was so obviously self-serving!] ...I do not want him to make top 4!...and think that 5th place just in front of Sadleigh is the correct position for him to finish! :smug:


.....Oh! by the way, I forgot what the thread was about for a second. lol..

"Would I want to be friends with Ashleigh?"....erm, I don't know because I don't think that anyone has really seen the real Ashleigh have they??....but if you mean the Ashleigh that she is playing on the gameshow?....NOT ON YOUR NELLIE!!

Theres no flies on Chuff !! :wink:

[Lex]

No. Absolutely not.
She would bore me senseless and I just don't trust her.

I get the impression she only has time for people who constantly tell her how wonderful she is. Danielle absolutely fawned over her, as does Chris.
Yet she never defended Danielle when the rest were saying that she had dragged Ashleigh down and how the house was better without her. She nodded along when Mark was saying how horrible Chris was for letting Christopher fight his battle.
I don't really believe she has much loyalty for people unless they have some use to her like not nominating her, or stroking her ego, or agreeing to power nominate the people she wants.

(I know people say the same about Helen but in the past Mark did openly and vigorously disagree with Helen over things and she still remained close friends with him. She's had both Toya and Pav in the bathroom telling her how terrible her traits are and she actually agreed and didn't instantly fight with them over it -although she did get drunk and blow her chances with Toya by going straight out afterwards and complaining about Danielle to the boys.
Her friends seem to constantly point out her bad traits to her like being aggressive but she still remains friends with them. She has tried to acknowledge her faults and even became much closer to Chris for awhile after discussing ways in which she needs to change.
It is just unfortunate that she waked in at the wrong point of conversation between Ashleigh and Chris as I do believe her interpretation of the conversation genuinely hurt and surprised her because they had being getting along so well. So I don't believe for a second that Helen only likes people who are "up her arse" or "people who always agree with her.")

Ashleigh on the other hand, her pals seem more like adoring fans rather than regular friends. Constantly telling her what a beautiful, wonderful, amazing young girl she is.

Ashleigh took a strong dislike to and bitched about Helen long before Helen ever did anything to her personally. I recall in the early days that Ashleigh would say she felt ignored by Helen or else that Helen didn't have much time for her. (which may have just been the age difference imo, Helen hadn't actually uttered a bad word to her), I remember Helen sometimes just innocently walking past Danielle and Ashleigh in the house or garden and Ashleigh with a look of pure contempt muttering things like "she's disgusting" and/or commenting on Helen's plastic surgery. Or the face on her when Helen and Kim exercised. She just came across as a nasty jealous little bitch to me.
When Ashleigh's hostility to her became a little more obvious with dirty looks and stuff, I also remember Helen in the area they do their hair, speaking with Kim and Jale and Helen being very confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was with her, and saying she had never done or said a single thing to that girl. She was wary about confronting her because of the age difference, but did seem genuinely confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was.

I don't think Ashleigh liked when Ash voted Helen has the most attractive housemate early on, or the way Ash also never had huge time for her but was much more interested in Helen. The absolute shock from her with Chris saying Helen was the hottest housemate, and the bitchy little comment in the garden "there goes your sexiest housemate". All quite spiteful and comes across insecure to me.

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.
I know as the series progressed Helen's arguments with others gave plenty more reasons for Ashleigh to genuinely have a problem with and not like her, but I really believe Ashleigh started the bitchiness and the hostility between just the two of them, and I believe it was because she hated the fact Helen and Ash just didn't give her enough attention at the start.

I think Ashleigh may be used to being the prettiest and most opinionated in her own group of friends and perhaps even often getting her own way, people telling her she's great etc. Which is why I think she was so quiet in the house at the start because she wasn't the centre of attention anymore.
Might also explain the constant miserable puss on her face too.

A lot of this is of course just supposition on my part, but this is just the impression I get of her from the hour we see each night.

(I of course don't think Helen is a saint either, has obviously got some very bad traits too but I would still trust her more as a friend over Ashleigh)


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[Macie Lightfoot]

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.

Yet Helen's the one who had a stable clique following her around the whole series and cast people away who wouldn't interact with her on her own terms :joker:

[Kazanne]

No. Absolutely not.
She would bore me senseless and I just don't trust her.

I get the impression she only has time for people who constantly tell her how wonderful she is. Danielle absolutely fawned over her, as does Chris.
Yet she never defended Danielle when the rest were saying that she had dragged Ashleigh down and how the house was better without her. She nodded along when Mark was saying how horrible Chris was for letting Christopher fight his battle.
I don't really believe she has much loyalty for people unless they have some use to her like not nominating her, or stroking her ego, or agreeing to power nominate the people she wants.

(I know people say the same about Helen but in the past Mark did openly and vigorously disagree with Helen over things and she still remained close friends with him. She's had both Toya and Pav in the bathroom telling her how terrible her traits are and she actually agreed and didn't instantly fight with them over it -although she did get drunk and blow her chances with Toya by going straight out afterwards and complaining about Danielle to the boys.
Her friends seem to constantly point out her bad traits to her like being aggressive but she still remains friends with them. She has tried to acknowledge her faults and even became much closer to Chris for awhile after discussing ways in which she needs to change.
It is just unfortunate that she waked in at the wrong point of conversation between Ashleigh and Chris as I do believe her interpretation of the conversation genuinely hurt and surprised her because they had being getting along so well. So I don't believe for a second that Helen only likes people who are "up her arse" or "people who always agree with her.")

Ashleigh on the other hand, her pals seem more like adoring fans rather than regular friends. Constantly telling her what a beautiful, wonderful, amazing young girl she is.

Ashleigh took a strong dislike to and bitched about Helen long before Helen ever did anything to her personally. I recall in the early days that Ashleigh would say she felt ignored by Helen or else that Helen didn't have much time for her. (which may have just been the age difference imo, Helen hadn't actually uttered a bad word to her), I remember Helen sometimes just innocently walking past Danielle and Ashleigh in the house or garden and Ashleigh with a look of pure contempt muttering things like "she's disgusting" and/or commenting on Helen's plastic surgery. Or the face on her when Helen and Kim exercised. She just came across as a nasty jealous little bitch to me.
When Ashleigh's hostility to her became a little more obvious with dirty looks and stuff, I also remember Helen in the area they do their hair, speaking with Kim and Jale and Helen being very confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was with her, and saying she had never done or said a single thing to that girl. She was wary about confronting her because of the age difference, but did seem genuinely confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was.

I don't think Ashleigh liked when Ash voted Helen has the most attractive housemate early on, or the way Ash also never had huge time for her but was much more interested in Helen. The absolute shock from her with Chris saying Helen was the hottest housemate, and the bitchy little comment in the garden "there goes your sexiest housemate". All quite spiteful and comes across insecure to me.

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.
I know as the series progressed Helen's arguments with others gave plenty more reasons for Ashleigh to genuinely have a problem with and not like her, but I really believe Ashleigh started the bitchiness and the hostility between just the two of them, and I believe it was because she hated the fact Helen and Ash just didn't give her enough attention at the start.

I think Ashleigh may be used to being the prettiest and most opinionated in her own group of friends and perhaps even often getting her own way, people telling her she's great etc. Which is why I think she was so quiet in the house at the start because she wasn't the centre of attention anymore.
Might also explain the constant miserable puss on her face too.

A lot of this is of course just supposition on my part, but this is just the impression I get of her from the hour we see each night.

(I of course don't think Helen is a saint either, has obviously got some very bad traits too but I would still trust her more as a friend over Ashleigh)

Post of the season tbh.:cheer2:

[ruiphillips]

Yep. I like honest people.

[rionablue]

Jesus no I would prefer Helen as a friend than that miserable bitch and that is saying something

[Christmas time]

No I

[mrflibble]

If the choices are Ashleigh or Helen, then I'd rather be friends with Ashleigh. Overall probably not because she's not really the kind of person I'd be friends with, the only person in the house who I think I'd really get along with is Chris. Ashleigh seems like a nice, caring, funny and intelligent person, but ultimately not really on my wavelength.

[sungrass]

Post of this thread for me, really well presented and all true as well.

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Definately would not be Ashleighs friend. She is boring.
She has no positive qualities whatsoever.

[mr rochester]

No, no, categorically no!

[Brother Leon]

Probably not. Too much negativity and not much loyalty either to make it worth it.

[wormsinfested]

Only as a **** friend:cheer2:

[Ammi]

No. Absolutely not.
She would bore me senseless and I just don't trust her.

I get the impression she only has time for people who constantly tell her how wonderful she is. Danielle absolutely fawned over her, as does Chris.
Yet she never defended Danielle when the rest were saying that she had dragged Ashleigh down and how the house was better without her. She nodded along when Mark was saying how horrible Chris was for letting Christopher fight his battle.
I don't really believe she has much loyalty for people unless they have some use to her like not nominating her, or stroking her ego, or agreeing to power nominate the people she wants.

(I know people say the same about Helen but in the past Mark did openly and vigorously disagree with Helen over things and she still remained close friends with him. She's had both Toya and Pav in the bathroom telling her how terrible her traits are and she actually agreed and didn't instantly fight with them over it -although she did get drunk and blow her chances with Toya by going straight out afterwards and complaining about Danielle to the boys.
Her friends seem to constantly point out her bad traits to her like being aggressive but she still remains friends with them. She has tried to acknowledge her faults and even became much closer to Chris for awhile after discussing ways in which she needs to change.
It is just unfortunate that she waked in at the wrong point of conversation between Ashleigh and Chris as I do believe her interpretation of the conversation genuinely hurt and surprised her because they had being getting along so well. So I don't believe for a second that Helen only likes people who are "up her arse" or "people who always agree with her.")

Ashleigh on the other hand, her pals seem more like adoring fans rather than regular friends. Constantly telling her what a beautiful, wonderful, amazing young girl she is.

Ashleigh took a strong dislike to and bitched about Helen long before Helen ever did anything to her personally. I recall in the early days that Ashleigh would say she felt ignored by Helen or else that Helen didn't have much time for her. (which may have just been the age difference imo, Helen hadn't actually uttered a bad word to her), I remember Helen sometimes just innocently walking past Danielle and Ashleigh in the house or garden and Ashleigh with a look of pure contempt muttering things like "she's disgusting" and/or commenting on Helen's plastic surgery. Or the face on her when Helen and Kim exercised. She just came across as a nasty jealous little bitch to me.
When Ashleigh's hostility to her became a little more obvious with dirty looks and stuff, I also remember Helen in the area they do their hair, speaking with Kim and Jale and Helen being very confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was with her, and saying she had never done or said a single thing to that girl. She was wary about confronting her because of the age difference, but did seem genuinely confused as to what Ashleigh's problem was.

I don't think Ashleigh liked when Ash voted Helen has the most attractive housemate early on, or the way Ash also never had huge time for her but was much more interested in Helen. The absolute shock from her with Chris saying Helen was the hottest housemate, and the bitchy little comment in the garden "there goes your sexiest housemate". All quite spiteful and comes across insecure to me.

I think Ashleigh is used to people fawning over her and telling her what a wonderful human being she is, so took an instant dislike to the people who didn't give her the attention she is accustomed to.
I know as the series progressed Helen's arguments with others gave plenty more reasons for Ashleigh to genuinely have a problem with and not like her, but I really believe Ashleigh started the bitchiness and the hostility between just the two of them, and I believe it was because she hated the fact Helen and Ash just didn't give her enough attention at the start.

I think Ashleigh may be used to being the prettiest and most opinionated in her own group of friends and perhaps even often getting her own way, people telling her she's great etc. Which is why I think she was so quiet in the house at the start because she wasn't the centre of attention anymore.
Might also explain the constant miserable puss on her face too.

A lot of this is of course just supposition on my part, but this is just the impression I get of her from the hour we see each night.

(I of course don't think Helen is a saint either, has obviously got some very bad traits too but I would still trust her more as a friend over Ashleigh)


..hey PinkPegasus, I always love to read your posts and while I don't entirely see the same perspective, as always it's very intelligently and thoughtfully put...I can totally see why you have your opinions and it's so refreshing...I think for me, I'm on similar thought process in some areas but just a different perspective and take on it and I think that maybe these things are a lot down to our own life experiences and those of people we know....

..I can see what you say about her remaining friends with Mark etc so maybe the issue has been more with Ashleigh..?...I think I see that..(and looking at her 'clique'..) that she has been much more 'forgiving' with the males and that she does have a real trust issue with females in general...she didn't have that with Kimberley so much I know but then Kimberley was kind of an 'item' with Steven and therefore much more accepted but I think Helen needs the attention and she needs to feel control and is maybe able to 'control' men more or feels more 'power' with them..?....

..she does point out her faults as well but for me she does it in a dismissive way as though they're not really faults because they're 'just her' so therefore don't need to be addressed..Ash reinforces this with her as well as 'it's just Helen's way'...and I'm sure he considers himself a good friend etc and he is but he's also an excuser I think....and that for me is why she reacts so forcefully and aggressively when others point out her faults because they're not dismissing them or excusing them in the way that she and her 'clique' do....


..yeah, Ashleigh's friends are often complimenting her but so are Helen's friends in a way that they justify her and tell her she's a general good egg in so many ways by excusing her...she's also been complimented many times for her appearance etc....but complimenting friends and seeing the best in them and realising there are 'down' times when they need to hear these things is what most people do...



..I think maybe you're right and maybe Ashleigh did feel ignored by Helen very early on and I think that may have sparked some feelings of 'being excluded' from the off and feelings she's had in the past of being excluded and bullied..?...it's funny how associations of the mind can give 'first impressions' and sometimes a bad start can just be hard to put right again type thing or hard to change I should say...


...I'm kind of starting to wonder myself if it would be better if neither of them were to win..:laugh:...but yeah, we may have different perspectives and they've certainly been interesting housemates but I always love your take and opinions on the housemates....

[Ammi]

..oh and just for old Craigy there I did paragraphs..:smug:...

[HBB1508]

No way would I want Ashleigh as a friend she is too self obsessed for my liking. I'd much prefer Chris.

[Pink Pegasus]

Hi Ammi. :)

I was logged in earlier yesterday to reply to you and had a big post written but something happened my internet, it said page expired, I lost the whole thing and then I had to go away. I just caught up on yesterdays shows early this morning.

Just want to say thanks for your kind words, and to let you know that I always love reading your posts too. There is always a lot of thought put into into them and you give me something to think about, and you yourself seem like such a polite and lovely person. Definitely one of the best posters on here. :love:

You make a good point about Helen being closer to males, but I'm not sure if this is because she finds males easier to control (although I did giggle at Christopher describing her as the alpha male of the house:laugh:), or if it's more because she is in many ways a bit stereotypically tomboyish and laddish herself? She didn't instantly bond with the less laddish males and seemed to distrust them as much as she did some of the quieter females at first.

I think Helen is drawn to very direct louder types naturally and coming into the house had a deep uneasiness around some of the people who were very quiet, like she felt they were not being themselves or were hiding their true opinions about things. I know when she realised Jale in the task was very blunt and direct and didn't tiptoe around giving her true opinion, she gained a new respect for her and the fact she was female didn't matter.
Kim is another female who when she had a problem with someone, would go and speak to them directly about it. (I wasn't really a Kim fan, but I can't take that away from her - when she had a problem she'd take someone aside to tell them.) I think Helen likes these traits whether they are in a male or female.

I think it's because Helen is so open and honest about her faults that it can seem that because she admits them so freely that it seems she doesn't care about them. However I do personally believe she has tried to change - she has tried to stay calmer, and she has tried to give people a chance. She said that when she entered the house she used to believe that she was a great judge of character but that she no longer believed that.
I think letting her barriers down and learning to give people different to her or quieter a chance is something she did learn.

I mean even Chris and Ashleigh had seen good changes in her! Chris in particular seemed really proud of her and they had built what seemed like a lovely friendship. I think it's such a shame that she eavesdropped on the wrong part of that conversation, because imo she had let her barriers down, was trusting people she wouldn't normally get along with, believed she had learnt something about herself being unfairly judgemental and to give people a chance etc., and sadly she now must think that they never really liked her at all and that she was foolish to think they did. (when Chris especially genuinely did like her).
Similar with Christopher, she must have thought they were ok because in the secret room she was watching Christopher full of affection saying he was so cute, she loved him and wanted him or Ash to win. Only to later to see him tearing her character apart with Ashleigh and seemingly very happy she was gone.

Because of these things, I feel that Helen may now unfortunately leave the house feeling like she was right at the beginning to not trust certain people and that she would be much warier and distrustful of giving similar people a chance again in the future. I really find it very sad and a pity, because for awhile there things were going so well.

I hadn't posted in ages before the other day. What really prompted me to post was that farce of a court trial over the divide.
Whatever arguments Helen had between other people, I still don't think she is to blame for the divide that is there at present.
I felt it was incredibly unfair to even hold that trial and put the blame all on one person's shoulders.

As I mentioned in the other post, I think Ashleigh started being very nasty towards Helen before Helen even had any problem with her.
Ashleigh doesn't like anybody who doesn't give her enough attention. I think that just because a person might not show a huge interest in you at the start (like Helen and Ash with Ashleigh) it doesn't mean they are excluding you, they might just have more interest in spending more time with the people they gel well with. Ashleigh also didn't like Kim because Kim had much more time for Danielle over her. She hated when Kim would ask to speak to Danielle alone to tell her something and I think she felt "excluded" over that too.

I think you are correct that feeling ignored by or Helen not having much interest in her at the start may have sparked some feelings she had of being excluded in school.
However, if Ashleigh was bullied in school by someone who happened to be a loud character like Helen that doesn't mean Helen is the same as Ashleigh's bullies.
Ashleigh can't go around spending her life meeting certain people and thinking that just because a person is popular and loud but just doesn't have a huge interest in her then that means they are a bully and are "excluding" her.
Ashleigh really does seem to have an issue with people like Helen, Ash, even Kim just preferring other people's company over her.
She seems to think she's on some sort of crusade against bullies using Helen as an example.

This is unfair because imo Helen didn't exclude her. I saw bitching from Ashleigh before Helen had any issues with her. I saw Ashleigh and Danielle exclude themselves on many occasions to take themselves of to the pod to bitch about what vile people Helen and co were, but then be all sweet to their face. I believe Helen when she said she never wanted a divide. She did try to encourage the others to get involved, and seemed so happy the night of the pool party where they got Danielle and Chris in the pool (it was Ashleigh's own choice to not get involved and just tut in the bedroom). Helen also seemed really happy with the little friendship she had built with Chris.
I can only remember Helen starting to bitch about Ashleigh, when she recognised the hostility from and heard the bitching from Ashleigh. So Helen then bitched about what a two faced bitch Ashleigh was being! Bit of a circle really.:laugh:

I just don't think it's fair for Ashleigh to just take all her anger for her bullies in school and then to just project all her issues onto Helen. Just because Helen is loud and boisterous and has more time for people with similar personality to herself, doesn't mean Helen deserves to have all Ashleigh's anger at bullies directed at her. Asheligh has said herself she is bossy with a fiery temper and has apparently told them in the house that in her group of friends she is the bossiest most opinionated one. Just because someone doesn't fall into line with what she's used to at home, doesn't mean they are excluding and bullying her fgs!!!

Sorry for going on about that, but it pisses me off. I'm not directed my little rant you at you either Ammi so sorry for the exclamation marks and repeating myself :blush:, but I'm just expressing my annoyance and frustration with Ashleigh not at anybody here.

Neither of them are saints. Helen has been horrible to people like Jale in the past, but Ashleigh has said nasty things in there too. But because Helen is loud about it she's seen as an aggressive bully, whereas Ashleigh can say whatever nasty things she likes, but because she whispers and sneaks about with it to some people she's just sweetness and light fighting the battle against a loud aggressive bully.
They are both equally bitchy just Helen is often more direct with it.

This is why the court trial annoyed me so much. When Helen was crying afterwards I could really understand her frustration about knowing they were both bad but also knowing that she was the only one getting the blame -because I felt frustration just watching it!

As an aside I do know two people in my own life who have some similarities with both Helen and Ashleigh. One of my oldest friends is extremely direct like Helen, if she has a problem you'll know about it! She has no time for fakeness and is a real believer in just airing things out. I've no doubt there are some who are intimidated by her bluntness and openness, but most find her very warm and down to earth with no bullcrap. She is 29 now and has really matured a lot in the last 4 years or so. Only recently out of the blue she said she wanted to apologise for throwing strops with me in our late teens when I wouldn't always go out partying with her. She is jobseeking at the minute and short on cash so it must have popped into her head that she shouldn't have gotten stroppy with me and that maybe I was broke too some of the times in the past. She said whatever my reasons had been she felt she had been "so so selfish, and I'm really really sorry for that". Totally out of the blue and melted my heart to see her feeling bad about something I'd forgotten about.
In the last 2 years or so she really has started looking more at her own reactions to situations and always rings me to talk through things and get my opinion on the matter. It's very sweet. Despite her faults (and we all have them) she has been the most loyal, great fun, generous and caring friend I've had over the years.

The other girl I know is a million times worse than Ashleigh in that she actually fabricates entire stories about people to turn others against them. Where I see the similarity though is that this girl bitches about everyone but if anybody does anything back she gathers an audience, turns on the crocodile tears, talks about how good she was to that person and how aren't they horrible for "picking on her" or "leaving her out" :bawling:
Paints herself as a saint and the other as a mean nasty person whilst accepting no responsibility for her own actions. I've seen her to do it to a few people and am so wary around her.
This girl has caused far more trouble than my mate who is a bit like Helen. This girl has caused friendships and family members to fall out with each other over how she twists stories to make herself look like an innocent picked on soul.
People over here say "If x said it was raining outside, I'd have to go and check for myself" - that's how much people distrust her. As I said though, she is a lot worse than Ashleigh.

Sorry for rambling on for so long. Just wanted to vent and don't expect many to read it. Regarding who wins - well for weeks now I've wanted Christopher to win, a few little things have made me question that recently but overall I think I'd still be happy enough with him winning.
I don't really know about the rest but I will be disappointed if Helen leaves before Ashleigh. Although I know she will and that Ashleigh might even win.
The most hilarious result would be Pav winning so he could put it towards his mansion with the double stairs. He's so cute I think I would laugh if he did win. :D

[abhorson]

I would prefer almost anyone as a friend than Helen. Too embarrassing for me to be able to cope with.