Helens breakdown last night and BB's treatment of her

[daniel-lewis-1985]

A lot of people accused her of being bitter,jealous ect on Twitter last night over that task but I totally disagree.

She was pissed off at BB for yet again setting her up in a task to try to get her to kick off. It must be tiring especially when they do this to her then dish out endless warnings when she reacts as they want.

Again the next day they have fake evicted her to get another reaction. In a longer clip shown on Youtube she started crying in the garden then had to walk away because she was sobbing as she got to the bedroom aswell but it was edited down to her in the toilet already and Pav telling her shes a bitch lol.

Are BB doing whatever they can to stop Helen winning? I know it doesn't usually matter to them who wins but for a branded bully to win Big Brother cant be good publicity for them.

[chuff me dizzy]

Awful task ,designed to humiliate her

[Cal.]

Awful task ,designed to humiliate her

:clap1:

I've already said it, but the scenes interspersed of Ashleigh in the pod happy as larry and then Helen crying in the toilet were horrible, and if, it had been the other way around, there'd be uproar (like a lot of instances).

[Marsh.]

That's what pisses me off with this series. They purposely try to cause sh*t in the house then use BOTS as a sounding board to slag them all off for being negative and dish out warnings when if you poke animals locked in a cage with sticks for long enough they will lash out.

[jessicadanielle]

I didn't like the task either and thought it was completely unfair to Helen, but it's not Ashleigh's fault that Helen was upset. The task was also unfair to Ashleigh.

Helen is often riled up by BB showing her things that will upset her, but it's often at Ashleigh's expense, e.g. The App task. I just think it's unfair to both of them.

Tbh it's also a little unfair to the other 4 housemates. It's almost pitched the final as Helen vs. Ashleigh.. It's easy to forget there are four other people in the running.

[chuff me dizzy]

That's what pisses me off with this series. They purposely try to cause sh*t in the house then use BOTS as a sounding board to slag them all off for being negative and dish out warnings when if you poke animals locked in a cage with sticks for long enough they will lash out.

That was their aim last night not once, but twice ,1st the pathetic court farce then the fake eviction

[Josy]

Yeah I posted this last night but I really do think that task was unfair on both Helen and Ashleigh, it's the last week they are all in the final and yet they are pulling out these horrible/serious tasks just to try get more material for the highlights shows without actually considering how terrible it's making the housemates feel.

Then when I saw the fake eviction thing last night I was thinking ffs haven't you made the girl feel bad enough but they went onto make Ash and Christopher feel terrible too, both were looking pretty distraught at having to evict someone...

Low blow from the producers IMO.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I didn't like the task either and thought it was completely unfair to Helen, but it's not Ashleigh's fault that Helen was upset. The task was also unfair to Ashleigh.

Helen is often riled up by BB showing her things that will upset her, but it's often at Ashleigh's expense, e.g. The App task. I just think it's unfair to both of them.

Tbh it's also a little unfair to the other 4 housemates. It's almost pitched the final as Helen vs. Ashleigh.. It's easy to forget there are four other people in the running.

Im not talking about Ashleigh can we please just discuss Helen for a change without Ashleigh having to come into it. Its doing my head in even the producers are doing it now just focusing on them as if they are 1 person.

Not having a dig but im sick of talking about Ashleigh the overly enthusiastic and relentlessness of her supporters have been a big part in me no longer wanting her to win.

[Denver]

Last night made me love helen more and proves the producers want to destroy her before judi james went in helen was always going to be found guilty

[Cal.]

Last night made me love helen more and proves the producers want to destroy her before judi james went in helen was always going to be found guilty

I agree.

[jessicadanielle]

Im not talking about Ashleigh can we please just discuss Helen for a change without Ashleigh having to come into it. Its doing my head in even the producers are doing it now just focusing on them as if they are 1 person.

Not having a dig but im sick of talking about Ashleigh the overly enthusiastic and relentlessness of her supporters have been a big part in me no longer wanting her to win.

Wow chill! I'd understand your reaction if I was saying "NO WAY IT WAS JUST BAD FOR ASHLEIGH NOT HELEN, ASHLEIGH TO WIN! XOXO" but I'm just making the point that I feel this manipulation is unfair on all housemates. I'm not even an Ashleigh supporter anymore really so it wasn't meant as overly enthusiastic and relentless support of her.

[chuff me dizzy]

Im not talking about Ashleigh can we please just discuss Helen for a change without Ashleigh having to come into it. Its doing my head in even the producers are doing it now just focusing on them as if they are 1 person.

Not having a dig but im sick of talking about Ashleigh the overly enthusiastic and relentlessness of her supporters have been a big part in me no longer wanting her to win.

:worship: I agree with all this ^^^ over zealous supporters have been too much this series

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Wow chill! I'd understand your reaction if I was saying "NO WAY IT WAS JUST BAD FOR ASHLEIGH NOT HELEN, ASHLEIGH TO WIN! XOXO" but I'm just making the point that I feel this manipulation is unfair on all housemates. I'm not even an Ashleigh supporter anymore really so it wasn't meant as overly enthusiastic and relentless support of her.

I wasn't having a go, I don't need to chill I was just asking if it was possible lol. I also didn't aim those Ashleigh comments to you I was just talking about bringing her into the thread generally the rest was aimed at the many supporters who flood the forum.

Don't point your exclamation marks at me!!!!!!

:laugh:

[jessicadanielle]

I wasn't having a go, I don't need to chill I was just asking if it was possible lol.

Don't point your exclamation marks at me!!!!!!

:laugh:

!!!!!!!!!

:tongue:

[Marsh.]

Wow chill! I'd understand your reaction if I was saying "NO WAY IT WAS JUST BAD FOR ASHLEIGH NOT HELEN, ASHLEIGH TO WIN! XOXO" but I'm just making the point that I feel this manipulation is unfair on all housemates. I'm not even an Ashleigh supporter anymore really so it wasn't meant as overly enthusiastic and relentless support of her.

Well, to be fair, your line about "That's not Ashleigh's fault" wasn't relevant as the OP didn't say it was. It was clearly about BB/producers manipulation.

[mr rochester]

The best way Helen could deal with this is to get them together as a group and announce calmly that she considers a kangaroo court not to be a court she would wish to subscribe to. She should then issue an appeal stating calmly why this kangaroo court was unfair. It has not helped her case that her two supporters branded her as aggressive. I wish she had not cried but used the same tactics Pav uses i.e stating his case calmly and in a way which engenders support and indeed sympathy. If you want to get people on side histrionics never work. This is maybe a life lesson Helen might choose to learn. People seem afraid of Helen - Helen seems shocked by this. Ashleigh on the other hand goes the way of the quiet warrior - however, she too is becoming more histrionic - normally she does not drink - last night was cringeworthy when she did.

[joeysteele]

It has all just taken this series down to a new low for me,really the sooner this horrible series is off the screens the better for me.

The sad thing is many of the tasks could have been really good if they had been done in an unbiased and non manipualtive way by BB calling the shots.with prejuduced people involved rather then letting the task unfold with the actions of the housemates themselves.

The court task was pathetic with a pre-set judgement before it began,it wasn't even fun in my view.
Judy James just used it to get her spite at Helen out as she has on bbbots all series.

Really sickening,this is not in any way nice to watch at all and I think were it against anyone other than Helen there would have been probably near universal condemnation all over social media of BB for what they have done this series.

[Niamh.]

It was bad but those type of tasks usually work in peoples favours because they victimize them and so get the public backing them, so it was actually a good thing for her

[poppsywoppsy]

I get the points being made about last night.

Throughout the weeks Helen has got away with everything, had warnings, bitched as much as everyone else and swanned through feeling invincible due to her pass to the final.

I always thought the last week when her pass was revoked, it would be her turn to experience what every other housemate has, so I do not feel it is unfair but truly justified.

Helen revelled in her immunity, she had arguments with so many housemates so it should now be her turn to have the table turned on her.

She deserves it more than any other housemate who ended on the end of her oh so vicious tongue, so she gets some back, Good.

[jessicadanielle]

Well, to be fair, your line about "That's not Ashleigh's fault" wasn't relevant as the OP didn't say it was. It was clearly about BB/producers manipulation.

I don't wanna labour the point since the thread isn't meant to be based around Ashleigh, but I was more referring to this post:

:clap1:

I've already said it, but the scenes interspersed of Ashleigh in the pod happy as larry and then Helen crying in the toilet were horrible, and if, it had been the other way around, there'd be uproar (like a lot of instances).

Not claiming that this member said it was Ashleigh's fault, but they seem to be suggesting that if it were the other way around, there'd be uproar at how on earth they could show Helen being happy while Ashleigh was sad, which would be stupid. I was saying it would also be stupid for there to be uproar at them showing Helen sad while Ashleigh was happy.

[jessicadanielle]

The court task was pathetic with a pre-set judgement before it began,it wasn't even fun in my view.
Judy James just used it to get her spite at Helen out as she has on bbbots all series.

I wish Helen had stopped herself getting upset and told herself that "Judge Judi" is just another member of the public with her own opinion and to not take her so seriously. Though I can understand that she'd feel it was damaging for her to have a so-called objective judge claim she is the sole cause of the divide in the house on TV.

[Cal.]

I don't wanna labour the point since the thread isn't meant to be based around Ashleigh, but I was more referring to this post:



Not claiming that this member said it was Ashleigh's fault, but they seem to be suggesting that if it were the other way around, there'd be uproar at how on earth they could show Helen being happy while Ashleigh was sad, which would be stupid. I was saying it would also be stupid for there to be uproar at them showing Helen sad while Ashleigh was happy.

I was referring to people on this forum, if Ashleigh had been crying in the toilets whilst Helen was happy in the pod at winning, then people would have kicked off at BB and said things about Helen. But it seems to be fine with most users that Ashleigh is benefiting and Helen is the one that's crying, which would certainly not be the case the other way around. :)

[Marsh.]

I don't wanna labour the point since the thread isn't meant to be based around Ashleigh, but I was more referring to this post:

Not claiming that this member said it was Ashleigh's fault, but they seem to be suggesting that if it were the other way around, there'd be uproar at how on earth they could show Helen being happy while Ashleigh was sad, which would be stupid. I was saying it would also be stupid for there to be uproar at them showing Helen sad while Ashleigh was happy.

Well that's an entirely separate point to the "Ashleigh's fault" part I was talking about but I understand your meaning. :)

[booboomartin]

It has all just taken this series down to a new low for me,really the sooner this horrible series is off the screens the better for me.

The sad thing is many of the tasks could have been really good if they had been done in an unbiased and non manipualtive way by BB calling the shots.with prejuduced people involved rather then letting the task unfold with the actions of the housemates themselves.

The court task was pathetic with a pre-set judgement before it began,it wasn't even fun in my view.
Judy James just used it to get her spite at Helen out as she has on bbbots all series.

Really sickening,this is not in any way nice to watch at all and I think were it against anyone other than Helen there would have been probably near universal condemnation all over social media of BB for what they have done this series.

thank you, i could not understand why big brother used judy james, when she has been spiteful about helen when she has appeared on BBOTS they should have used someone who is properly qualified to understand people. i think helen would have had more chance if she had stephen as her defence lawyer. she should appeal the sentance on the grounds that the judge was biased.:nono::nono:

[Marsh.]

Can you imagine if she turned on Judi? :shocked:

"Big Brother I'm not carrying on with this task, it's not right having some horse as a judge and not a human, they can't understand me!" :joker:

[sungrass]

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1:Im not talking about Ashleigh can we please just discuss Helen for a change without Ashleigh having to come into it. Its doing my head in even the producers are doing it now just focusing on them as if they are 1 person.

Not having a dig but im sick of talking about Ashleigh the overly enthusiastic and relentlessness of her supporters have been a big part in me no longer wanting her to win.

[mary poppins]

I think helen got a taste of her own medicine!! shes a nasty person since day one. has she any idea of how cruel she was to some of the hm...we all remember how she told her ckick to come outside with her because jale was listening to her talking and then called her names and the others laughed! she hasnt changed at all!

If shes crying and feeling down she only has herself to blame...

Does she deserve to win? NO

Does Pav? NO

any of the other four will do for me...best of a bad lot!

[Kizzy]

Urgh... on trial again? not happy with her trial by media due to rooney and his wandering penis :idc:

[Northern Monkey]

I thought that task unnecessary at this stage.It was awful for Helen and Ashleigh.BB trying to make the divide more than it actually is.I don't believe they all hate each other as much as we're lead to believe.

[puzzled]

They tout Judi James as a behavioral therapist. If she is, she's the worst one imaginable. She's had it in for Helen for weeks on end. Even a semi-competent therapist would know the effect on Helen. She should have refused, or called it a mistrial, or something. Heaping odium on Helen, intentionally, makes her and the producers worse than any HM.

[mr rochester]

They tout Judi James as a behavioral therapist. If she is, she's the worst one imaginable. She's had it in for Helen for weeks on end. Even a semi-competent therapist would know the effect on Helen. She should have refused, or called it a mistrial, or something. Heaping odium on Helen, intentionally, makes her and the producers worse than any HM.

Excellent point.

Whilst I am neither a Helen nor an Ashleigh fan I detest the fact that this so call trial took place in the name of entertainment. It was indeed an odious thing to do. From the 'swearing in' to the final judgement the whole ordeal for everyone in the name of entertainment was simply not worth it. There is a divide. There is always a divide. Production ensures divides happen. What would have kept everyone turning on if all the housemates got on like a house on fire?

Last night was amateurish at best and downright pathetic at worst. Christopher acquitted himself well and that is about all to be said.

[Tom4784]

She humiliates herself and it's nothing compared to how BB attempted to manipulate Kim and Helen against Ashleigh by showing them, what should be, confidential diary room footage.

Her own public actions were put under the microscope and she couldn't handle the fact that she's to blame for most of the drama that's happened in the house, her first instinct wasn't to reflect but to deflect all blame onto Ashleigh. She's incredibly immature and I struggle to believe that she's in her late 20's.