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GypsyGoth
13-08-2014, 09:41 PM
Christopher is such a weasel.
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 09:41 PM
Helen now playing the downtrodden
She is such a manky kipper
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:41 PM
angry Helen back being same old angry women
same old same old yes. :thumbs:
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:41 PM
Because you could not understand that Helen has had victims. OK
No, the post hasn't been explained and it doesn't make sense.
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:41 PM
Here come the edited lies
christopher covering his ass :D
Brother Leon
13-08-2014, 09:41 PM
Helen the bigger person -claps-
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:42 PM
If she had have the reaction of 'poor 18 year old' would have been different. I imagine 'slay' and 'tea' being overused. :idc:
Hun Hurricane Toya left 50 days ago but your still talking about her? Slay queen
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:42 PM
Here come the edited lies
Yeah from your side. ugh how the actual **** can you support her? I'm being dead serious. surely you know you're wrong.
chuff me dizzy
13-08-2014, 09:42 PM
Christopher telling porkies.
So totes emote my backside..more like totes gutted.
Not as gutted as the brat bitch
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 09:42 PM
Went right off pav last week he is such a egotist and sly . First impressions were right I am thinking now
smudgie
13-08-2014, 09:42 PM
Helen the bigger person -claps-
She was indeed, good on her.
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:42 PM
Helen the bigger person -claps-
Only taken her ten weeks, what a journey :clap1:
GypsyGoth
13-08-2014, 09:43 PM
I bet that paparazzi guy will win.
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:43 PM
Only taken her ten weeks, what a journey :clap1:
So biased. :bawling:
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:43 PM
Calling people you don't know 'bitch' is actually really rude.
the winner of BB 2014 is in the bedsit :D
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:43 PM
Only taken her ten weeks, what a journey :clap1:
:joker:
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:43 PM
Helen said weeks ago that she will not get into an argument with Ashleigh for fear of being perceived as a bully on the outside to an 18yr old girl.:joker:
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:43 PM
I bet that paparazzi guy will win.
"the winner is amongst you" omg ur right :laugh:
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:44 PM
Only taken her ten weeks, what a journey :clap1:
Aisleyne's journey was better :'(
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:44 PM
So biased. :bawling:
Hardly
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:44 PM
Helen said weeks ago that she will not get into an argument with Ashleigh for fear of being perceived as a bully on the outside to an 18yr old girl.:joker:
You can't blame her for not being able to cope with the bitch.
abhorson
13-08-2014, 09:44 PM
the winner of BB 2014 is in the bedsit :D
Chris:dance:
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 09:44 PM
Only taken her ten weeks, what a journey :clap1:
Helens journey Jesus if it takes a reality tv she should of went on Jeremy kyle
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:44 PM
The true winners are the producers getting all the money from the hyped biased highlight shows
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
Helens journey Jesus if it takes a reality tv she should of went on Jeremy kyle
but if it was Ashleigh then she'd have your full approval.
Gstar
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
they shouldn't show housemates conversations in the DR to other housemates D;
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
You know what i wish for supercass?
Amy Jade
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
Idk or care what you're talking about so I'll end the conversation here
https://24.media.tumblr.com/409bd52d0b234f130f1f539149caef95/tumblr_n4z833JrCj1r86b1po1_250.gif
k den
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JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
they shouldn't show housemates conversations in the DR to other housemates D;
Have to agree. It defeats the purpose of a private discussion with Big Brother. If they do show it, it should be limited to once per series.
abhorson
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
Helens journey Jesus if it takes a reality tv she should of went on Jeremy kyle
:joker::joker:
Would even they have her.
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
but if it was Ashleigh then she'd have your full approval.
It's called supporting a housemate
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:45 PM
You know what i wish for supercass?
wut? :shocked:
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:46 PM
It's called supporting a housemate
You shouldn't support a housemate to the extent where you're biased.
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:46 PM
You can't blame her for not being able to cope with the bitch.
Helen said this then did the opposite. Explain?
chuff me dizzy
13-08-2014, 09:46 PM
She was indeed, good on her.
Ply Helen with drink , let her lose on the little bitch
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 09:47 PM
but if it was Ashleigh then she'd have your full approval.
Don't think your getting what a bully is. If you think Helen is not a bully then I suspect you should ask some searching questions of yourself
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:47 PM
You shouldn't support a housemate to the extent where you're biased.
Ummm what's up with the Helen stans calling her a bigger person etc when she was a right bully to everyone for half of the series
Jordan.
13-08-2014, 09:47 PM
Ply Helen with drink , let her lose on the little bitch
why are you encouraging nastiness
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:47 PM
Don't think your getting what a bully is. If you think Helen is not a bully then I suspect you should ask some searching questions of yourself
You're accusing me of being a bully? What the hell? I've been bullied my whole ****ing life I think I know what it means to be a bully.
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Ummm what's up with the Helen stans calling her a bigger person etc when she was a right bully to everyone for half of the series
Its called desperation
The end is nigh
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
why are you encouraging nastiness
because then more anti-helen bias can commence.
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Ply Helen with drink , let her lose on the little bitch
You are encouraging more bullying?
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Its called desperation
The end is nigh
We're desperate to end the bias.
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
You're accusing me of being a bully? What the hell? I've been bullied my whole ****ing life I think I know what it means to be a bully.
Take no notice Josh,
chuff me dizzy
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Don't think your getting what a bully is. If you think Helen is not a bully then I suspect you should ask some searching questions of yourself
Im sorry, but I think its YOU who doesnt get what a bully is clearly
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Still waiting for an explanation?
abhorson
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Ply Helen with drink , let her lose on the little bitch
Yes please. Thrown out.
Jordan.
13-08-2014, 09:48 PM
Ummm what's up with the Helen stans calling her a bigger person etc when she was a right bully to everyone for half of the series
Helen restrains herself one time & it makes up for all the times she's called housemates ugly, fat and singled them out
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:49 PM
:clap1:why are you encouraging nastiness
Liam-
13-08-2014, 09:49 PM
You're accusing me of being a bully? What the hell? I've been bullied my whole ****ing life I think I know what it means to be a bully.
Did the same to me the other day, don't worry about it, be the bigger person like Helen is!
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:49 PM
Did the same to me the other day, don't worry about it, be the bigger person like Helen is!
When and where?? I never did that. edit: oh right LOL i was like woah **** what
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:50 PM
let's not get into what bullying is and isn't, we all have seperate definitions through our own experiences
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:50 PM
Helen says it to peoples faces BUT when she talked about not talking to an 18yr old she said it behind her back. Can someone explain why she did that?
Liam-
13-08-2014, 09:50 PM
When and where?? I never did that. edit: oh right LOL i was like woah **** what
I meant the person you were talking about :joker:
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 09:50 PM
You're accusing me of being a bully? What the hell? I've been bullied my whole ****ing life I think I know what it means to be a bully.
Don't be silly not saying you are I mean your ability to see that Helen is from her behaviour
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:50 PM
let's not get into what bullying is and isn't, we all have seperate definitions through our own experiences
you say that now but you and others have accused Helen of bullying the whole series.
abhorson
13-08-2014, 09:50 PM
because then more anti-helen bias can commence.
It came from an Helen fan.
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:51 PM
More edited lies from helen but ash not buying it
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:51 PM
Don't be silly not saying you are I mean your ability to see that Helen is from her behaviour
No. You accused me of being a bully by asking me to take a look at myself. I found that very offensive and rude.
Amy Jade
13-08-2014, 09:51 PM
Its called desperation
The end is nigh
The desperation started when people claimed Helen bullied Ashleigh.
Brother Leon
13-08-2014, 09:51 PM
Helen clocking too much this episode.
fitz2k2
13-08-2014, 09:51 PM
Helen continues the bitching
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
It came from an Helen fan.
not a very smart one obviously:rolleyes:
smudgie
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
Hit the nail on the head Helen, Ashleigh has a different face for every situation.
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
you say that now but you and others have accused Helen of bullying the whole series.
I've perceived Helen to have some bully-ish behaviour towards Jale/Matthew, what's this got to do with my post?
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
Ash revolt!
Liking Helen more every day
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
Why is Helen just focusing on Ashleigh. there are other housemates to talk about????
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
The desperation started when people claimed Helen bullied Ashleigh.
Only a saint calls a woman a '****' then for no reason as well as mimicking her accent, only laying into her when there is a group of her friends around her?
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
Helen continues the bitching
She's said nothing nasty,just relaying what she heard,Ashleigh on the other hand called her some nasty names
Amy Jade
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
Don't be silly not saying you are I mean your ability to see that Helen is from her behaviour
Earlier on you said Helen supporters were bullies.
Which was stupid.
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:52 PM
The desperation started when people claimed Helen bullied Ashleigh.
You can understand our frustration though, right? Can I get an Ashleigh fan to back me up that they've both been a bitch at each other.
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 09:53 PM
No. You accused me of being a bully by asking me to take a look at myself. I found that very offensive and rude.
Yes look at yourself as you seem blind to Helens bullying. Your playing the victim now please don't as it's a reverse form of bullying
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:53 PM
She's said nothing nasty,just relaying what she heard,Ashleigh on the other hand called her some nasty names
:cheer2: thank you kazanne.
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:53 PM
Why is Helen just focusing on Ashleigh. there are other housemates to talk about????
#obsessed
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 09:53 PM
Only a saint calls a woman a '****' then for no reason as well as mimicking her accent, only laying into her when there is a group of her friends around her?
How has she laid into her:joker: over dramatic much!! she is telling them what she heard
chuff me dizzy
13-08-2014, 09:53 PM
When and where?? I never did that. edit: oh right LOL i was like woah **** what
Rise above it , dont get banned
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:53 PM
You can understand our frustration though, right? Can I get an Ashleigh fan to back me up that they've both been a bitch at each other.
Of course they've both been bitches, they've never claimed not to be bitches
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:53 PM
please don't as it's a reverse form of bullying
Accusing me of bullying again.. awkward.
erinp5
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
Pity BB don't let Ashleigh here Helen convos since returning to the house.
So glad Helen is not going to go on about it ...my arse
MrWong
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
Helen you're not hated because of Ashleigh, you're hated because you're a horrific ****.
Always someone elses fault.
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
:cheer2: thank you kazanne.
Tis the truth,even though it hurts some.
GypsyGoth
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
I think Helen came out of this part of the Ashleigh versus Helen saga, much better.
Gstar
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
this episode has been borrrrrrrrrringg
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
How has she laid into her:joker: over dramatic much!! she is telling them what she heard
Im not talking about tonight, I'm talking about the whole series which is what you should be basing your winner on
fitz2k2
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
Helen did u say u wanted to be Ashleigh friend?lol
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
Of course they've both been bitches, they've never claimed not to be bitches
Okay thank you for clearing that up. Most of my frustration comes from what I perceived as people claiming Helen was the only bitch and only one who deserves a bit of criticism
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:54 PM
She's said nothing nasty,just relaying what she heard,Ashleigh on the other hand called her some nasty names
TBF Helen heard ALL of them but only focused on what Ashleigh had said if that makes sense.
Amy Jade
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
I think Helen came out of this part of the Ashleigh versus Helen saga, much better.
Totally agreed.
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
I have only seen Helen fans admit both were at fault, good luck finding an Ashleigh fan to admit she is just as bitchy as Helen.
This is why I wish that I was a part of the majority opinion lol
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
Accusing me of bullying again.. awkward.
We'll stop bullying me then !
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
Helen did u say u wanted to be Ashleigh friend?lol
Trying to get Ashleigh's fanbase too?
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
Ash shut Helen right up there telling her he thinks she is mice. MAJOR turning point
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
TBF Helen heard ALL of them but only focused on what Ashleigh had said if that makes sense.
I think that's because Ashleigh was the main culprit though.
fitz2k2
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
Ashleigh would call Helen a dick lol
Jordan.
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
I think Helen came out of this part of the Ashleigh versus Helen saga, much better.
that's what the producers wanted, guess it worked
chuff me dizzy
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
Helens spotted ashleighs "diary room voice and attitude " Chris falling for Christophers bs about loving him, but voted him out
Amy Jade
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
Even Christopher admitting Ashleigh is as bitchy as Helen, just Ashleigh is more sly and calculating :hehe:
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:55 PM
We'll stop bullying me then !
:/
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 09:56 PM
We'll stop bullying me then !
OMG,behave:joker::joker:
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:56 PM
Trying to get Ashleigh's fanbase too?
She's just trying to make it known that she has made a rejected effort.
Jordan.
13-08-2014, 09:56 PM
We'll stop bullying me then !
:hug:
Amy Jade
13-08-2014, 09:56 PM
Ashleigh would call Helen a dick lol
While her back is turmed.
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:56 PM
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
chuff me dizzy
13-08-2014, 09:56 PM
I think that's because Ashleigh was the main culprit though.
:clap1:
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:56 PM
Helen looks lovely in that pic on the wall :lovedup:
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Helens spotted ashleighs "diary room voice and attitude " Chris falling for Christophers bs about loving him, but voted him out
She shouldn't even know what she's like in the diary room? The producers have truly ****ed up by putting that in the live show
fitz2k2
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
go to bbots thread
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
Seperate
Crimson Dynamo
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
No in the nice friendly bots thread
MrWong
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
I have only seen Helen fans admit both were at fault, good luck finding an Ashleigh fan to admit she is just as bitchy as Helen.
They are both bitchy.
Helen's bitchy plus a horrific **** though and I'm sick of people who support Helen saying that they are the same. They aren't.
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
There's usually a different one Josh
Jake.
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
She shouldn't even know what she's like in the diary room? The producers have truly ****ed up by putting that in the live show
Truth
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Even Christopher admitting Ashleigh is as bitchy as Helen, just Ashleigh is more sly and calculating :hehe:
And less argumentative and aggressive and rude and cruel?
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
I think that's because Ashleigh was the main culprit though.
You still have not explained to me why Helen said she would not argue with an 18yr old weeks ago for fear of Helen herself being perceived as a bully???? Explain...
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
Think everyone moves threads
billy123
13-08-2014, 09:57 PM
We'll stop bullying me then !Quit your baiting yoshi you are just embarrassing yourself.
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
There's a separate one
abhorson
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Both sets of fans should now vote Chris.
Gstar
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Chris and Helen's dramatic return? bitch, the BB12 crypt was more dramatic
Liam-
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Supercass is such a mess<3
chuff me dizzy
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Do we discuss BOTS on this thread or does it need a seperate one?
No love, theres a different thread , look on main page
Gstar
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
omg wtf is super cassandra doing lmao
Speedy37
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Are there other housemates around that matter than Helen or Ashleigh? Really i mean, this whole "bitchfight" is getting really boring.
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Chris and Helen's dramatic return? bitch, the BB12 crypt was more dramatic
:laugh:
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
They are both bitchy.
Helen's bitchy plus a horrific **** though and I'm sick of people who support Helen saying that they are the same. They aren't.
They are not the same,Ashleigh is far craftier,slyer and sneery than Helen.
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 09:58 PM
Both sets of fans should now vote Chris.
Not a fan. I like Christopher though! He'd be a great winner then having Ashleigh/Helen as 2nd and 3rd!
MrWong
13-08-2014, 09:59 PM
And less argumentative and aggressive and rude and cruel?
:clap1:
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 09:59 PM
Still waiting for an explanation. lol
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:59 PM
They are not the same,Ashleigh is far craftier,slyer and sneery than Helen.
Playing the better game?
Pete.
13-08-2014, 09:59 PM
Still waiting for an explanation. lol
For what though?
Yoshi888
13-08-2014, 10:00 PM
Quit your baiting yoshi you are just embarrassing yourself.
Well I am going to write a letter on paper to emma and sure she will understand and also send me a signed photo
billy123
13-08-2014, 10:01 PM
Well I am going to write a letter on paper to emma and sure she will understand and also send me a signed photo:joker: she might do. but i doubt she will care about the letter.
Johnnyuk123
13-08-2014, 10:01 PM
For what though?
For Helen saying weeks ago that she would not argue with an 18yr old for fear of being shown as a bully on national TV. She lied.:joker:
Jake.
13-08-2014, 10:02 PM
They are not the same,Ashleigh is far craftier,slyer and sneery than Helen.
Whilst Helen has been far more domineering, feared and nasty.. During the first 4 weeks anyway, since then they've been pretty much as bad as eachother when it comes to being bitchy
abhorson
13-08-2014, 10:02 PM
They are both bitchy.
Helen's bitchy plus a horrific **** though and I'm sick of people who support Helen saying that they are the same. They aren't.
So very true.
Pete.
13-08-2014, 10:03 PM
For Helen saying weeks ago that she would not argue with an 18yr old for fear of being shown as a bully on national TV. She lied.:joker:
Ask her on twitter if you can brave the bile you might receive back :clap1:
Brother Leon
13-08-2014, 10:04 PM
Ashleigh's whole stay in the house really is just Helen isn't it. She wouldn't shut up about her even when she was gone :joker:
If only she had half that conviction TOWARDS Helen..
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 10:05 PM
They are both bitchy.
Helen's bitchy plus a horrific **** though and I'm sick of people who support Helen saying that they are the same. They aren't.
You just admitted to them being the same though?
Jake.
13-08-2014, 10:05 PM
You just admitted to them being the same though?
He said they're both bitchy, didn't say they are the same
MrWong
13-08-2014, 10:06 PM
You just admitted to them being the same though?
They both bitch. That's the similarity. Thought that was obvious.
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 10:07 PM
Playing the better game?
Whatever it is it's not nice
Jordan.
13-08-2014, 10:07 PM
They are not the same,Ashleigh is far craftier,slyer and sneery than Helen.
Just because Ashleigh doesn't get satisfaction out of direct confrontation like Helen
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 10:08 PM
Just because Ashleigh doesn't get satisfaction out of direct confrontation like Helen
You like that,I like the other
Jake.
13-08-2014, 10:09 PM
Just because Ashleigh doesn't get satisfaction out of direct confrontation like Helen
:clap1:
Pete.
13-08-2014, 10:10 PM
You like that,I like the other
You encourage Helen's actions?
Jordan.
13-08-2014, 10:10 PM
Ashleigh doing it behind peoples back is harmless as they don't have to hear what she's saying (unless BB show it :sleep:) Helen openly wants to insult and hurt people to their face
Pete.
13-08-2014, 10:11 PM
Whatever it is it's not nice
And Helen's bullying is?
Kazanne
13-08-2014, 10:11 PM
You encourage Helen's actions?
Whatever you want to believe to get you more applause:pat:
Pete.
13-08-2014, 10:12 PM
Ashleigh doing it behind peoples back is harmless as they don't have to hear what she's saying (unless BB show it :sleep:) Helen openly wants to insult and hurt people to their face
Nasty Nick is loved by doing the same thing :clap1:
Pete.
13-08-2014, 10:12 PM
Whatever you want to believe to get you more applause:pat:
Smh
MrWong
13-08-2014, 10:13 PM
Ashleigh doing it behind peoples back is harmless as they don't have to hear what she's saying (unless BB show it :sleep:) Helen openly wants to insult and hurt people to their face
:clap1::clap1::clap1:
rusticgal
13-08-2014, 10:34 PM
they shouldn't show housemates conversations in the DR to other housemates D;
Ashleigh set up again...and Helen just couldn't wait to watch it to prove Ashleigh being bitchy...
The comments made on here about Ashleigh are so true about Helen..but there is a huge difference in that Helen is a bullish bitch and is ten times worse.
rusticgal
13-08-2014, 10:39 PM
Why is Helen just focusing on Ashleigh. there are other housemates to talk about????
...obsessed :joker:
JoshBB
13-08-2014, 10:46 PM
...obsessed :joker:
Ashleigh is a bit obsessed too though.
rusticgal
13-08-2014, 10:47 PM
Just because Ashleigh doesn't get satisfaction out of direct confrontation like Helen
That's just it though...you cannot confront Helen because she has an inability to discuss/argue a point...she just starts name-calling then tells you to 'shut the **** up'...she is someone who cannot listen because she is illiterate and stupid. You can't argue with someone like Helen that's why she is a bully.nasty and vile.
rusticgal
13-08-2014, 11:02 PM
Ashleigh is a bit obsessed too though.
They both are for different reasons. Ashleigh has been at loggerheads with Helen purely because she doesn't like the behaviour shown and her vitriolic attitude to some housemates. Helen is equally obsessed with Ashleigh for different reasons...Helen has become obsessed with Ashleigh because she recognises that Ashleigh can hold her own in a more controlled way..and she cannot understand that Ashleigh, although equally bitchy is favoured by the public.
Helen is hugely jealous of Ashleigh because equally a bitch, Ashleigh is more tactical...and of course is young and attractive. Helen is much more bitter and Ashleigh holds the moral high ground in comparison..
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