Was Helen Advised

[warrenhill]

To make up with Ashleigh to look good by one of the other ex house mates when they came into the house for the party?

It all seems a bit to good to be true that Helen has suddenly turned a full circle about Ashleigh.

In my opinion Helen is not a person who changes their mind on anything or anyone so maybe she was advised that doing this might give her a decent chance of snatching the crown.

Out of all the house mates left i think she is the one where the money and fame matters most

Also she is the best winner for C5 and the media as i think the others would just fade back into normal life very quickly but Helen already has had plenty of dealings with the media.

Its a win win situation for all if Helen did win.....:shocked:

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I thought too, I've got a feeling that either BB have said something about trying to make up with Ashleigh & put your differences aside for the final, but on the other hand I wouldn't be amazed if Steven has said some to her when he was in the house about her behaviour, telling her public are on Ashleigh side, it just seems so obvious to me that someone has said something to make her have a change of all of sudden.

[Nedusa]

Yes, I agree I think now that there is an increasing chance that Helen could actually win this show now .

All the pieces for her are falling into place.



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[Denver]

Please not this again cant two woman genuinley make up and end there time in the house on a high without it being advised/fix

[joeysteele]

No,I don't,it seemed spontaneous and all very genuine to me, I felt it came as a relief to both of them after a much better day in the house to actually just accept they are different people and come together.

I saw and read nothing into it whatsoever as to anything else and anyway, Ashleigh would have had to have something said too as to making up and I cannot see where either would respond to such an idea,so for me, no way at all was Helen/Ashleigh or both 'advised' at all.

[Johnnyuk123]

To make up with Ashleigh to look good by one of the other ex house mates when they came into the house for the party?

It all seems a bit to good to be true that Helen has suddenly turned a full circle about Ashleigh.

In my opinion Helen is not a person who changes their mind on anything or anyone so maybe she was advised that doing this might give her a decent chance of snatching the crown.

Out of all the house mates left i think she is the one where the money and fame matters most

Also she is the best winner for C5 and the media as i think the others would just fade back into normal life very quickly but Helen already has had plenty of dealings with the media.

Its a win win situation for all if Helen did win.....:shocked:

Steven when he hugged her whispered in her ear to make it up with her.

[Denver]

Anyway im sure they made up before the party

[Nedusa]

Yes I agree she probably would not have made up with Ashleigh so I think she was told something by Steven and suddenly Ashleigh is her best mate.

A bit fishy tbh , I think Steven has given her some feedback when he whispered to her.




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[Denver]

I cant believe the helen hate on this forum is so bad that she cant make up with someone without it being fake or advised

[sampvt]

Here we go again, every time Helen does something nice or right, it is misconstrued by ???????? that it must be rigged or advised. What a crock of s.h.i.t. She has never suffered fools and has decided that she wont let the little cow, Dermaglen Dottie, ruin her last 2 days, so she made up but wont be sitting holding her hand anytime soon.

She will be probably hoping it messes with DD's head and she implodes. No doubt everyone in that house now knows who is fav to win so its all going to be nicey nicey DD for 2 days now she thinks she has it sewn up.......SHE HASNT...she cant win, my reputation is on the line here, it just cant happen, end of. lol.

[joeysteele]

It wouldn't matter if anyone had said anything to Helen, it takes 2 to make up so someone must have said something to Asheiegh surely too to respond as she did.

I've been on courses where 2 or more people never got on, always made snide remarks and even argued a fair bit of the time.
At the end of the course and the social events afterwards,those divisions came down and it was amazing the change and how they got on and enjoyed themselves with each other and all others there too.

I find it amusing that it is being suggested something was said to Helen as if Helen could force Ashleigh to make up anyway.
They 'both' would have had to agree to do so, not just one of them.

I don't belive for an instant anyone said anything at all,it was totally genuine in my view.

[joeysteele]

I cant believe the helen hate on this forum is so bad that she cant make up with someone without it being fake or advised

It really is incredible isn't it.I agree 100%

[ruiphillips]

Also she is the best winner for C5
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Ew at the thought of her winning.

[Nedusa]

I think the winner will be a woman and/or come from Northern Ireland.




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[dyfed]

Too much interference from the outside world,I am sure "pick your nose "Steve gave her a message from their agent,funny how all of the hm that went in are with the same agent, ??

[Ammi]

Here we go again, every time Helen does something nice or right, it is misconstrued by ???????? that it must be rigged or advised. What a crock of s.h.i.t. She has never suffered fools and has decided that she wont let the little cow, Dermaglen Dottie, ruin her last 2 days, so she made up but wont be sitting holding her hand anytime soon.

She will be probably hoping it messes with DD's head and she implodes. No doubt everyone in that house now knows who is fav to win so its all going to be nicey nicey DD for 2 days now she thinks she has it sewn up.......SHE HASNT...she cant win, my reputation is on the line here, it just cant happen, end of. lol.

..so it's wrong/cynical and unnecessary..(which it is..)..to always think of 'motives' with Helen and that there is nothing positive or genuine about her but that can't be extended to Ashleigh with the name calling and cynicism there...

[Kazanne]

I cant believe the helen hate on this forum is so bad that she cant make up with someone without it being fake or advised

Yes,people really need to look at themselves,that was spontaneous,and genuine,people are just feeling a bit worried now that she may be liked and gain votes,it's as simple as that really.Helen was gaining votes before this,Helen is a lot of things but 'fake' is not one of them,so let the haters fester,it wont make any difference to people who like her.

[Cherie]

Anyway im sure they made up before the party

Yes they did but after the tasks, Steven in particular is obsessed with hatred for Ashleigh and Chris I hate to be cynical but I'm convinced he said something to her, she was kissing Ashleighs hands fgs and telling her she had won BB it was all very strange and such a massive turnaround I find it hard to believe.

[sampvt]

..so it's wrong/cynical and unnecessary..(which it is..)..to always think of 'motives' with Helen and that there is nothing positive or genuine about her but that can't be extended to Ashleigh with the name calling and cynicism there...

Your opinion is valid, even if it is wrong (in my eyes) A winner, in my book, is a person who has been honest, given up some funny moments, played the game within the rules and has been constant throughout. I have absolutely no time for devious or backstabbing people which sums up my dislike for Ashleigh. Helen is a bitch, but at least what you see is what you get and she has made this years series watchable.

Dermaglen Dottie is a spoilt brat with no redeeming qualities and suckers her fans into loving her by using tried and tested methods that have been handed down the centuries which people like me abhor, so in short, she is not a worthy winner, but I am in the minority anyway, so don't worry.

If she wins, she will no doubt con the public out of loads of dosh and it wont teach her a thing, she will amble through life treading on people and make thousands by being a bitch. Helen will make more by being a bitch as well but the difference is one is in your face bitchy, the other a behind your back bitchy. I know who I prefer.

[Ammi]

Your opinion is valid, even if it is wrong (in my eyes) A winner, in my book, is a person who has been honest, given up some funny moments, played the game within the rules and has been constant throughout. I have absolutely no time for devious or backstabbing people which sums up my dislike for Ashleigh. Helen is a bitch, but at least what you see is what you get and she has made this years series watchable.

Dermaglen Dottie is a spoilt brat with no redeeming qualities and suckers her fans into loving her by using tried and tested methods that have been handed down the centuries which people like me abhor, so in short, she is not a worthy winner, but I am in the minority anyway, so don't worry.

If she wins, she will no doubt con the public out of loads of dosh and it wont teach her a thing, she will amble through life treading on people and make thousands by being a bitch. Helen will make more by being a bitch as well but the difference is one is in your face bitchy, the other a behind your back bitchy. I know who I prefer.

..I don't think you are in a minority, I think they both have an equal chance of winning as Helen's popularity is quickly increasing in a very short space of time..and I understand your reasons for not liking Ashleigh whether I agree with them or not but for me personally the name calling has been unnecessary in posting a dislike of someone because that dislike can be expressed without that..it adds nothing to expressing opinions at all...and I know that some Anti Helen people have done the same thing which is equally wrong but two wrongs etc...I think a lot has been mentioned about 'old style BB' and one of the things about that for me is choosing a winner rather than who to dislike the most for whatever reasons we choose that winner because that's all perspective and not playing into this 'hate game' that BB have subjected us to...anyway just my opinion but I wish them both good luck and it'll be nice to see them get ready for it and maybe share a laugh together while doing their hair/makeup etc....

[Alf]

Anybody got a video link to the ex-housemates coming in the house? I've not seen it yet and with only a 1 hour 45 minute show and six interviews to get through I doubt we'll see any highlights of yesterday.

Thanks in advance

[Ammi]

Yes,people really need to look at themselves,that was spontaneous,and genuine,people are just feeling a bit worried now that she may be liked and gain votes,it's as simple as that really.Helen was gaining votes before this,Helen is a lot of things but 'fake' is not one of them,so let the haters fester,it wont make any difference to people who like her.

..tbf it was the same yesterday when Ashleigh cried and there was cynicism about her tears but I think they're both spontaneous emotions and genuine in these instances...I'm sure everyone finds the 'tit for tat' annoying ..they've probably both been fake at times and both been genuine at times and that's the truth of it because there is positive in everyone ...

[bots]

Yes I agree she probably would not have made up with Ashleigh so I think she was told something by Steven and suddenly Ashleigh is her best mate.

A bit fishy tbh , I think Steven has given her some feedback when he whispered to her.
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As I said in another thread, many viewers have seen the good in Helen for weeks now, others haven't. That's life.

I can understand questions being asked if there was outside influence, I saw the turnaround before any outside influence, when Helen was in the bedsit and didn't kick off on returning to the house. That was the key moment that allowed the rest of the events to transpire.

At the end of the day, I am just happy that it happened. Helen and Ashleigh are much happier, the other hm are much happier, many of the viewers who support their own favourite hm are much happier. Sure, for whatever reason, some would prefer conflict to continue, that's always the case, but the majority will always be in favour of the status quo

[chuff me dizzy]

We will never know,there will be plenty of speculation,but no one knows

[Vicky.]

Possibly...but it seemed pretty genuine to me tbh...maybe I am just a bit naive :laugh:

I suspect Helen finally clicked onto it being BB causing the divide...

[JTM45]

Of course she was!!!
She's been advised the whole way through and that's why we we're only shown a tiny percentage of her warnings.
If anyone at this stage can't see that Helen's whole BB 'experience' has been manufactured and managed then they're either extremely naive or they're just so invested in it that they don't want to accept the obvious!!!:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Anybody got a video link to the ex-housemates coming in the house? I've not seen it yet and with only a 1 hour 45 minute show and six interviews to get through I doubt we'll see any highlights of yesterday.

Thanks in advance

It was in the highlights last night shaggy also if you scroll down the page you will find the thread with youtube clips its on 2nd or third last page

[Cherie]

Of course she was!!!
She's been advised the whole way through and that's why we we're only shown a tiny percentage of her warnings.
If anyone at this stage can't see that Helen's whole BB 'experience' has been manufactured and managed then they're either extremely naive or they're just so invested in it that they don't want to accept the obvious!!!:facepalm:

:clap1:

[Ammi]

Possibly...but it seemed pretty genuine to me tbh...maybe I am just a bit naive :laugh:

I suspect Helen finally clicked onto it being BB causing the divide...

..it's those post baby hormones, you're going soft on us Vicky..you would normally have been for the blood...:laugh:...

[Ellen]

People will find anything to make up, seems some are quite worried she might do well.

[Alf]

It was in the highlights last night shaggy also if you scroll down the page you will find the thread with youtube clips its on 2nd or third last page
Thanks Cherie, I've just realised I haven't watched last nights highlights show yet:blush2:

That just shows how forgettable and meaningless this series is for me.

I did record it and will watch it soon.

[Mick]

Helen is excused her bitching (by some) on the principle that she is honest and will say it to your face I cannot see the moral high ground when this honesty is usually delivered in a way which includes personal insults and aggressive behaviour which several HMs understandably found hurtful and intimidating.

Ashleigh gets stick for bitching in corners yet I would deem this the lesser of two evils.She has shown that she can and will stand up to Helen face to face and imo this is something Helen is not used to or comfortable with and has always been the source of the problem between them.

Helen talks the talk but does she really want to leave to a very negative reception.? I think not and while this end of show truce is good for both there sakes my thoughts are that its just attempted damage limitation on Helens part.

If she is acting on Stevens advice then we all know that's the kiss of death for starters.!

[Alf]

Wise words Mick.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course they did. What would anyone say to her.

"you are too aggressive, be nice and you will increase you chances, dont be a horrid bitch etc"


This is one of the reasons Emma was so cross about the ex-housemates coming in

[MrWong]

She was definitely advised by BB.

That kind of thing isn't unheard of either. Production did the same with Jade BB3. The turnaround along with a sympathetic edit was blatant.

[Denver]

I would understand if there was 5 weeks to go but seriously what is the point with one night to go?

[bots]

I would understand if there was 5 weeks to go but seriously what is the point with one night to go?

Absolutely, voting already well under way, fiercely loyal fans for all housemates. It really doesn't matter a jot if they reconciled or not, or what events happened to cause it.

Conspiracy theories are always good fun, but completely irrelevant at the end of the day. There will be no inquest, the winner will be announced tonight, and forgotten tomorrow.

Its been fun, with some lively debate along the way, its only a TV show :laugh:

[Kazanne]

People will find anything to make up, seems some are quite worried she might do well.

Exactly,lets hope she worries them some more:hehe:

[Kazanne]

Really funny how the people who want Ashleigh to win are the main ones saying she was advised,:joker::joker::joker:

[MrWong]

Really funny how the people who want Ashleigh to win are the main ones saying she was advised,:joker::joker::joker:

..... lets turn that around. The Helen fans are saying she wasn't advised.

Like I said, it's happened before so why not :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

Really funny how the people who want Ashleigh to win are the main ones saying she was advised,:joker::joker::joker:

Exactly what i thought too :joker:

[joeysteele]

Really funny how the people who want Ashleigh to win are the main ones saying she was advised,:joker::joker::joker:

It doesn't say very much for Ashleigh then does it Kazanne,since she has been paraded as being very clever and working people out, that she would then have been so stupid to fall for a false move from Helen as to making up.

Even more daft of her too if she in anyway believed it 'not' to be in any way genuine too.

Ashleigh raced to make up just as much as Helen did,so by the same token, who whispered in Ashleigh's ear then.

[Cold Sweat]

Something changed pretty quickly after the media task when Helen sounded adamant that only Zoe would get an apology from her.

[Niamh.]

Aww that's very cynical, to me it seemed incredibly genuine on both their parts, I despised Helen all the way through and literally that one episode really made me warm to her a bit. Maybe I'm just extremely gullible :laugh: but (and don't jump on me for bringing age into it) but Ashleigh looked so much like a little girl last night and Helen very motherly, it was actually lovely :')

[Jules2]

I thought too, I've got a feeling that either BB have said something about trying to make up with Ashleigh & put your differences aside for the final, but on the other hand I wouldn't be amazed if Steven has said some to her when he was in the house about her behaviour, telling her public are on Ashleigh side, it just seems so obvious to me that someone has said something to make her have a change of all of sudden.

I agree totally, that is why it was so unfair the Sour Grapes gang going in, the majority were for her and they would have told her everything. There was a time when outside influences werent allowed to an extent. Not the same show anymore. Roll on Ant and Dec so that we can get back to some normality and not feel the hypocricy of it all.

[joeysteele]

..... lets turn that around. The Helen fans are saying she wasn't advised.

Like I said, it's happened before so why not :shrug:

I am a Helen fan and I am saying neither were advised at all, for me it was totally genuine and I have said full credit equally to them both for doing it too.

[RockBottom]

Who cares, they made up. Hopefully Helen will be crowned winner tonight. Best of luck to all the finalists and all the posters on here. Sayonara.

:dance::dance::dance:

[smokeyjoeUK]

Of course, Helen was advised. Just as she has been coached, favoured and promoted since the start of the series.

Endemol should be ashamed of themselves, but you just know that they're not!

[Denver]

Who cares, they made up. Hopefully Helen will be crowned winner tonight. Best of luck to all the finalists and all the posters on here. Sayonara.

:dance::dance::dance:

The only way helen will be crowned winner is if we vote more :laugh::dance::cheer2::wavey:

[Strictly Jake]

I found it genuine and a very lovely moment. I would love them to be the final 2!

[Bojangles]

Steven when he hugged her whispered in her ear to make it up with her.

Yes I noticed that too.Lot of whispering going on with others too.They should not have been allowed back in after being evicted.What's the point evicting them to allow them back in and able to tell the HM's what's going on on the outside.

[susie q]

I said this yesterday but got shot down by the Helen lovers. To me it all just seems to be to contrived to be real, especially after the media task, where the only(grudging ) apology
she gave was to Pav & Zoe, she was totally unrepentant about any thing she said to anyone else. Its also the sort of thing that Steven would do,(another one with moral values). There were also veiled references/complaints about to much information being to the housemates, even from Emma.
Anyway Im glad to see that not everyone is falling for the reformed Helen act.

CHRISTOPHER TO WIN

[Cherie]

I would understand if there was 5 weeks to go but seriously what is the point with one night to go?

Most of the voting will be done tonight, and the manipulation of the viewers has been going on since Helen was chosen by THE PRODUCERS to be fake evicted, last nights fake make up was the crowning glory. At any rate they have all pissed me off at some point I was going to sling a vote at Chris until his speech at the final dinner when he said "he had been asked to go in" :bored:

[Denver]

Most of the voting will be done tonight, and the manipulation of the viewers has been going on since Helen was chosen by THE PRODUCERS to be fake evicted, last nights fake make up was the crowning glory. At any rate they have all pissed me off at some point I was going to sling a vote at Chris until his speech at the final dinner when he said "he had been asked to go in" :bored:

Helen was choosen has it would shock the house the most

[Niamh.]

Helen was choosen has it would shock the house the most

Helen was chosen so she could listen to Ashleigh bitching about her and cause a bit of drama, lets be honest here :laugh:

[Denver]

Helen was chosen so she could listen to Ashleigh bitching about her and cause a bit of drama, lets be honest here :laugh:

Think about it fake evicted the housemate with a final pass will shock the house i dont think people would of creid fake if it was ashliegh

[Cherie]

Helen was chosen so she could listen to Ashleigh bitching about her and cause a bit of drama, lets be honest here :laugh:

I disagree Niamh, Helen was chosen so the story of Helen's journey of change was complete, she comes out and doesn't kick off job done.

[Niamh.]

I disagree Niamh, Helen was chosen so the story of Helen's journey of change was complete, she comes out and doesn't kick off job done.

Maybe so yeah

[MrWong]

Most of the voting will be done tonight, and the manipulation of the viewers has been going on since Helen was chosen by THE PRODUCERS to be fake evicted, last nights fake make up was the crowning glory. At any rate they have all pissed me off at some point I was going to sling a vote at Chris until his speech at the final dinner when he said "he had been asked to go in" :bored:

Exactly. I said at the time that the producers were pushing Helen's road to redemption storyline. Her edit was sympathetic, Ashleigh's edit wasn't. Once again, for the 3rd time, Ashleigh was exposed to make Helen look the victim.

[MrWong]

Think about it fake evicted the housemate with a final pass will shock the house i dont think people would of creid fake if it was ashliegh

Think about it. Whenever a hm has been fake evicted to a secret room the public have had the choice.

[Denver]

Think about it. Whenever a hm has been fake evicted to a secret room the public have had the choice.

The public was voting for there winner

[kefln]

To make up with Ashleigh to look good by one of the other ex house mates when they came into the house for the party?

It all seems a bit to good to be true that Helen has suddenly turned a full circle about Ashleigh.

In my opinion Helen is not a person who changes their mind on anything or anyone so maybe she was advised that doing this might give her a decent chance of snatching the crown.

Out of all the house mates left i think she is the one where the money and fame matters most

Also she is the best winner for C5 and the media as i think the others would just fade back into normal life very quickly but Helen already has had plenty of dealings with the media.

Its a win win situation for all if Helen did win.....:shocked:
Just a small note, it was Ashleigh that sort of made the first move...

What was said:

A: "There was a worry, the more quieter the house got, the more I started to think that I'll be leaving things in the house that happened in the house and..."

H: "Will we call it a truce?"

A: "Yeah"

Sounded to me like both girls had a good time that night, both had had a few drinks and both are a little tired of all the crap.

No manipulation, just both know that its coming to the end of the show, so why bother?

[MrWong]

The public was voting for there winner

So what?

They could have had an app vote. The point is that never in the history of BB has a hm been handpicked by the producers to be fake evicted.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

How the **** are we supposed to know we don't get to see anything really?

It does my head in that all we can do is create threads to speculate which gets us nowhere.

IMO it seemed genuine, Helen isn't capable of being fake lol I think she would have shuddered or you would see it in her cace if it was not genuine.

It was probably the nicest moment of the series....Though theres not been many to choose from.

[warrenhill]

I see today that all the money is for Ashleigh who is now 4/9


Helens odds have drifted.....

[Mrjrb2014]

Here we go again, every time Helen does something nice or right, it is misconstrued by ???????? that it must be rigged or advised. What a crock of s.h.i.t. She has never suffered fools and has decided that she wont let the little cow, Dermaglen Dottie, ruin her last 2 days, so she made up but wont be sitting holding her hand anytime soon.

She will be probably hoping it messes with DD's head and she implodes. No doubt everyone in that house now knows who is fav to win so its all going to be nicey nicey DD for 2 days now she thinks she has it sewn up.......SHE HASNT...she cant win, my reputation is on the line here, it just cant happen, end of. lol.

The cry wolf scenario...due to helens horrible behavior throughout the series..its hard to conclude what she does is ever 100% genuine....she wont win so no worry