USA: Ferguson :Death of black teenager Michael Brown

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/15/article-2725108-208AAA6100000578-578_634x404.jpg
['I'm not afraid to be in this crowd today':
Captain Ronald Johnson projected an
air of confidence as he patrolled through
the crowd following his appointment
as de facto police leader in
Ferguson by Missouri Governor Jay Nixon]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725108/Whats-Pig-Ferguson-police-chief-hit-abuse-crowd-refusing-officer-shot-Michael-Brown-Highway-Patrol-called-fears-ANOTHER-night-violence.html#ixzz3ASCKCD4C


Why the Hell are the Police
not giving the Policemans Name?
if its his family in danger
move them to a safe house.

[Tom4784]

Something has to change, stories of police brutality are all too common in America, it feels like every other day you hear about the police executing unarmed people for no reason.

[arista]

Something has to change, stories of police brutality are all too common in America, it feels like every other day you hear about the police executing unarmed people for no reason.


The copper made a mistake
Lock him up

[lostalex]

Something has to change, stories of police brutality are all too common in America, it feels like every other day you hear about the police executing unarmed people for no reason.

yea it's called freedom of the press,. unlike the injunctions and super injunctions in the UK...

and the UK has had it's fair share of riots over police brutality!!!

are you ignorant? get a grip dude. you honestly don't know about the riots over police brutality in the UK??

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/12/riot-d08.html

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/05/riots-revenge-against-police

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8689004/London-riots-why-did-the-police-lose-control.html

[arista]

Even worse a Al Jareeza USA crew
got tear gas fired at them and were forced to leave
without there cameras.

The police are getting crazy


Ref: CNN USA and FoxNewsHD

[lostalex]

Even worse a Al Jareeza USA crew
got tear gas fired at them and were forced to leave
without there cameras.

The police are getting crazy


Ref: CNN USA and FoxNewsHD


no doubt the police are not handling it properly, but Dezzy having the audacity to make it about America, when the UK has had these same issues in the recent years is pissing me off.

[arista]

no doubt the police are not handling it properly, but Dezzy having the audacity to make it about America, when the UK has had these same issues in the recent years is pissing me off.







Yes I wish a FBI boss
took over the problem

[arista]

Soon the Cop that killed him
will be named

[arista]

The Cop that killed him was just given out Live on USA TV News
Darren Wilson has been working for 6 years.


Michael Brown (The unarmed black teenager) was in a robbery

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg
M.Brown doing his Nasty Robbery
before he was shot dead

http://news.sky.com/story/1319303/officer-in-fatal-missouri-teen-shooting-named

[JoshBB]

Something has to change, stories of police brutality are all too common in America, it feels like every other day you hear about the police executing unarmed people for no reason.

Absolutely, it's messed up.

[Tom4784]

yea it's called freedom of the press,. unlike the injunctions and super injunctions in the UK...

and the UK has had it's fair share of riots over police brutality!!!

are you ignorant? get a grip dude. you honestly don't know about the riots over police brutality in the UK??

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/12/riot-d08.html

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/05/riots-revenge-against-police

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8689004/London-riots-why-did-the-police-lose-control.html

This topic isn't about the UK and if it was then, yeah, like any other country we do have issues but you can't seriously compare one riot from a few years back to the sheer amount of police brutality stories that come out of America on a regular basis. You can let your patriotism blind you and try to deflect crap onto other countries but both achieve nothing.

America's police force has serious issues and way too many people are being unjustifiably killed by them. Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing The Star Spangled Banner isn't going to change that fact. Do not call other people ignorant when you're guilty of being incredibly ignorant by refusing to acknowledge a problem because you think that the US is some perfect nation when it's not, no country is perfect and refusing to believe so due to blind patriotism is just downright stupid. You can love the land and you can love the people but Authority should always be questioned and put under the microscope.

It's plain to see that something is very wrong with the police force, whether it's bad training or bad seeds slipping through the net, something needs to be done. Even one case like this is one case too many.

[arista]

M.Brown did a nasty Robbery

he was known to the police.
They should have arrested him
not killed him.


For them one less punk on the streets
for the USA President on holiday - stay out of this
until you have all the facts

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329688/default/v1/miss1-1-522x293.jpg
that photo from last night,
Police Capt Johnson (respected by the locals) was just Live on USA TV
but all the Public and him never said much about
over six feet tall M.Brown who was robbing a store before he was killed.
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg

[arista]

It has also emerged that That Criminal Brown was pounding the Cop.


That is Dumb


If I was the Cop I would shoot the Punk

[arista]

Last night
outsiders of that area looted a Store run by a Man from Palestine
he even gave cash to a customer lady as he had no meat left.
The Good thing is the family of Michael Brown
came in to help clear up. Other locals also went in to clear up.

He tried to phone the police but got sent to other divisions
round in circles infact.

He went back with his mates
armed
there was 2 looters left
he told them to drop the goods and leave.


I hope he can stay open.


Ref:FoxNewsHD Live

[Toy Soldier]

The US teargasing press and declaring no fly zones for press helicopters... The UK covertly arming police officers in quiet towns...

Make no mistake, we are all headed straight into a seriously messed up era. EVERYONE should be very worried.

[arista]

Missouri governor declares state of emergency and curfew in Ferguson

• Jay Nixon: ‘We must have and maintain peace’
• Curfew will run from midnight to 5am


They will not like it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/16/missouri-governor-curfew-state-of-emergency-ferguson

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/16/1408225524010/39c9c904-3092-44d1-84c7-20f1be3ac216-460x276.jpeg
Missouri Governor Jay Nixon


They will not like it

[billy123]

Missouri governor declares state of emergency and curfew in Ferguson

• Jay Nixon: ‘We must have and maintain peace’
• Curfew will run from midnight to 5am


They will not like it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/16/missouri-governor-curfew-state-of-emergency-ferguson

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/16/1408225524010/39c9c904-3092-44d1-84c7-20f1be3ac216-460x276.jpeg
Missouri Governor Jay Nixon


They will not like itThats after threats of the protests escalating and rumours of a "Purge" started to appear online Louisville was supposed to be last night but failed to materialise.
Looks like it was just idiots online threatening a purge but it had people rattled.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu-C3LnIQAIvylm.jpg

[arista]

I am Sick of his Family ignoring the Fact that their Son was Nasty
And Evil
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg
Fecking Fact

[billy123]

Here is the punishment for not obeying orders from the police.
You are not allowed to leave your home except in the hours they allow you to or this is what happens.

A fully Militairised police force attacking members of the public for leaving their homes outside the permitted hours thats not a curfew thats Martial Law.

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[lostalex]

it's people like you Bobnot that stir up more crap. you are more interested in the drama than in creating peace. wtf. This is a small suburban town with a police force of 50 officers. you act like it's the National Guard or a major police force. this is a small suburb with a tiny police force. and it has nothing to do with America as a country. This is a small suburb in the midwest. get a grip dude. or at least get some perspective.

Wee have seen far worse riots and looting in the UK, France and plenty of other places around Europe in the recent years. Stop trying to translate this into a xenophobic attack on America.

[billy123]

it's people like you Bobnot that stir up more crap. you are more interested in the drama than in creating peace. wtf. This is a small suburban town with a police force of 50 officers. you act like it's the National Guard or a major police force. this is a small suburb with a tiny police force. and it has nothing to do with America as a country. This is a small suburb in the midwest. get a grip dude. or at least get some perspective.

Wee have seen far worse riots and looting in the UK, France and plenty of other places around Europe in the recent years. Stop trying to translate this into a xenophobic attack on America.
:joker: Talk about taking a leap!! wind your paranoia and childish accusations in a bit eh :joker:
I have no interest in conversing with you until you drop the attitude.

[Redway]

it's people like you Bobnot that stir up more crap. you are more interested in the drama than in creating peace. wtf. This is a small suburban town with a police force of 50 officers. you act like it's the National Guard or a major police force. this is a small suburb with a tiny police force. and it has nothing to do with America as a country. This is a small suburb in the midwest. get a grip dude. or at least get some perspective.

Wee have seen far worse riots and looting in the UK, France and plenty of other places around Europe in the recent years. Stop trying to translate this into a xenophobic attack on America.
Whatever about these things happening everywhere but you must be seriously deluded if you're denying that America has a serious problem with this sort of thing. Especially if you're branding those who don't share your views as xenophobes.

[lostalex]

Whatever about these things happening everywhere but you must be seriously deluded if you're denying that America has a serious problem with this sort of thing. Especially if you're branding those who don't share your views as xenophobes.

I'm not denying it's a problem, but I am denying that it's a problem with America. America is by far the least racist country on this planet, get back to me when you have a black King of England.

[arista]

I'm not denying it's a problem, but I am denying that it's a problem with America. America is by far the least racist country on there planet, get back to me when you have a black King of England.


Yes Al Sharpton
gets outsiders to join in
he is a bloody pain

[lostalex]

Yes Al Sharpton
gets outsiders to join in
he is a bloody pain

al sharpton is a problem with the media, not with America. and i'd totally agree that the media is stirring **** up just for kicks. cnn and fox and all the others want to kick up as much fuss as possible and that's part of the problem.

I believe in freedom of the press, but the American press goes overboard, and needs to be seen in context, they are trying to fill 24 hours, it's not like the old days when we just got our news for 1 hour at night.

i don't believe in censorship but our press is very manipulative and they can whip up more frenzy for their own purposes.

[Redway]

I'm not denying it's a problem, but I am denying that it's a problem with America. America is by far the least racist country on this planet, get back to me when you have a black King of England.

Who said anything about racism? :conf:

[billy123]

Who said anything about racism? :conf:Dont even try and make sense of it Redway trust me there is none to be made when it comes to posts like that.

[Alf]

America is by far the least racist country on this planet, get back to me when you have a black King of England.
I knew the Americans were ignorant about the World, but this takes the biscuit.

[Ninastar]

I can understand that police brutality is a thing, but I am so fed up of people using the racial card when someone does something bad and gets into trouble for it.

[billy123]

Ferguson protests: National Guard sent to Missouri unrest
The US state of Missouri is sending the National Guard to the town of Ferguson as protests escalate over the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28832462

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140817114140-05-feguson-0817-horizontal-gallery.jpg

That comes after a reporter had a gun pointed at his face by a police officer and was told to "get that light off or your getting shot in the face" The incident was caught on a live stream being watched by 45,000 people.

Ferguson cop allegedly threatens to kill journalist on livestreamed video
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ferguson-cop-shoot-you-in-the-face/

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[arista]

I can understand that police brutality is a thing, but I am so fed up of people using the racial card when someone does something bad and gets into trouble for it.


Never Mind That

What about the Shop Keeper
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg


He was a Evil Thug Thief


Howe the hell do you Ignore That Fact

[GiRTh]

The police Officer who executed Brown in the street - with every eye witness saying he had his hands up at the time of being shot - didn't know anything about the robbery of that Brown was a suspect. Two eye witnesses hours after the shooting came out with very similar accounts both stating Brown had his hand up at the time of the shooting but five days after the police report is extremely contradictory to statements made at the time ie they are now saying Brown was shot 35 feet away but at the time the officer says he shot him cuz Brown slapped away the officers hand. Amazing that he could slap him from 35 feet away. The Police are lying, there can be no doubt about this - but Arista decides to focus on the robbery. :bored:

[arista]

[but Arista decides to focus on the robbery]


Bloody Right
he was a Nasty Criminal Bully.


You stick up for him - the shop keeper has no rights in your eyes
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg




I ain't

[GiRTh]

Sorry but unarmed criminals who rob from corner shops dont get gunned down in the street in my world.

Also, you dont comment on the fact that the Officer didnt know anything about the robbery or that Brown was a suspect. If he had then it would be significant but to admit he knew nothing more or less is him admitting he gunned the guy down for no reason whatsoever. This officer in in alot of trouble so I find it odd that you concentrate on the unarmed man who was shot in the street while surrendering. Regardless of what the guy had done the Police cant just open up on him if he';s surrendering.

[arista]

Sorry but unarmed criminals who rob from corner shops dont get gunned down in the street in my world.

Also, you dont comment on the fact that the Officer didnt know anything about the robbery or that Brown was a suspect. If he had then it would be significant but to admit he knew nothing more or less is him admitting he gunned the guy down for no reason whatsoever. This officer in in alot of trouble so I find it odd that you concentrate on the unarmed man who was shot in the street while surrendering. Regardless of what the guy had done the Police cant just open up on him if he';s surrendering.



Sure
But I am saying he was never going to last.
He was a Not a Good 18 year old



And he was reported as blocking traffic walking down the road



Until that police man gives his side
I reserve judgement

[GiRTh]

Sure
But I am saying he was never going to last.
He was a Not a Good 18 year old



And he was reported as blocking traffic walking down the road



Until that police man gives his side
I reserve judgementThe Official Police account is barely recognizable from their on the spot account. So you'd believe them if they said he slapped the officers hand from 35 feet away?

[arista]

The Official Police account is barely recognizable from their on the spot account. So you'd believe them if they said he slapped the officers hand from 35 feet away?


He still has to speak.


All this info is from his mates?
I ain't going to trust them




I want official version.


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg
Thats him same fecking day
Criminal.



I am on the Shop Keepers side

[GiRTh]

His department have already spoke for him and pretty much crushed his on the spot account. I find it interesting that the eyewitnesses at the time all gave similar accounts but the police take a number of days to compile and agree their official report and most of it is contradictory to what was said at the times. On top of that the police strong arm reporters for doing their job. Its already gone from bad to worse so there is no need to hear from this guy.

[arista]

His department have already spoke for him and pretty much crushed his on the spot account. I find it interesting that the eyewitnesses at the time all gave similar accounts but the police take a number of days to compile and agree their official report and most of it is contradictory to what was said at the times. On top of that the police strong arm reporters for doing their job. Its already gone from bad to worse so there is no need to hear from this guy.


Yes very messy.



I want to see that Policeman
speak on his own.





Outside looters have gone in
alot
they do not care about the Dead criminal

[Nedusa]

He looks like a really big ugly black dude so I guess the Police are trained to shoot first and ask questions after.

Sad story really probably happens all too frequently.

Big investigation/enquiry needed as someone is going to have to answer for this.




.

[arista]

Also he was in the Middle of the Road


Why?

[Brother Leon]

I can understand that police brutality is a thing, but I am so fed up of people using the racial card when someone does something bad and gets into trouble for it.

I agree, but...it is becoming very hard to ignore that race plays a part in how disposable someone's life is to a police officer. This isn't even just an American thing either tbf.

[GiRTh]

Also he was in the Middle of the Road


Why?Thats not a crime punishable by execution in the street.

[Redway]

Also he was in the Middle of the Road


Why?

I don't see anyone making out he was the brightest or an angel, but none of that justifies taking a life.

[arista]

I don't see anyone making out he was the brightest or an angel, but none of that justifies taking a life.



But there are other storys of him attacking a Police Man
no links.


All we need is the Police Officer talking.



If he broke the law
Lock Him Up.


but I need both sides.


Not just that Criminal Thugs (now dead) mates version
and One other thing a Photo they
showing of him with
is years old - why show him younger?



Recent Image of him Robbing that store same day
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg

[Redway]

But there are other storys of him attacking a Police Man
no links.


All we need is the Police Officer talking.



If he broke the law
Lock Him Up.


but I need both sides.


Not just that Criminal Thugs (now dead) mates version
and One other thing a Photo they
showing of him with
is years old - why show him younger?



Recent Image of him Robbing that store same day
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg

Once again, I don't think anyone's trying to justify what he did but no one deserves to die. Even if he was a criminal.

[arista]

Once again, I don't think anyone's trying to justify what he did but no one deserves to die. Even if he was a criminal.


We need to know
what went on

Both Sides.

not just his mates

[arista]

The Curfew is now stopped

but Capt Johnson
will use the National Guard at any time
if they break laws and Loot


Ref : CH4HD News


Fair Play

[lostalex]

This would already be over if the media wasn't kicking it up. These aren't local people protesting the local police. The national media has whipped this up to something much bigger than it should have been. Shame on the media who just wants as much violence as possible to make good TV.

[Tom4784]

Autopsy reports have apparently shown that the Police's story is bull****. The police was saying that he was shot in the police car after he made a grab for a gun but the autopsy report says that he was shot from a long range and the execution shot hit him in the top of his head which suggests he was surrendering when he was murdered.

There's no defending them, they've lied about the circumstances of this man's death and people only lie when they have something to hide. That and the fact that they keep arresting journalists for no reason to prevent them from reporting on the story. Freedom of the Press indeed.

[lostalex]

Autopsy reports have apparently shown that the Police's story is bull****. The police was saying that he was shot in the police car after he made a grab for a gun but the autopsy report says that he was shot from a long range and the execution shot hit him in the top of his head which suggests he was surrendering when he was murdered.

There's no defending them, they've lied about the circumstances of this man's death and people only lie when they have something to hide. That and the fact that they keep arresting journalists for no reason to prevent them from reporting on the story. Freedom of the Press indeed.

so the appropriate response to a horrible crime by the police is destroying a local 7/11 and stealing alcohol?? please explain that logic to me...

[Tom4784]

so the appropriate response to a horrible crime by the police is destroying a local 7/11 and stealing alcohol?? please explain that logic to me...

Some people will take advantage of any opportunity, like with the London Riots you were so keen on bringing up, it was a case of people using the protest as an excuse to loot. The looters and the protesters should not be marred with the same brush but sadly they are since it's an easy way to demonise the actual protesters and drag their protest through the mud.

[billy123]

This would already be over if the media wasn't kicking it up. These aren't local people protesting the local police. The national media has whipped this up to something much bigger than it should have been. Shame on the media who just wants as much violence as possible to make good TV.I get the feeling that you would rather this was brushed under the carpet and ignored rather than facing the issue and accepting that there is a problem.

Rather than wishing that it would disappear out of some misguided flag waving pride why not face up to it and try and force it to be dealt with.
Surely thats the responsible thing to do. :shrug:

[lostalex]

I get the feeling that you would rather this was brushed under the carpet and ignored rather than facing the issue and accepting that there is a problem.

Rather than wishing that it would disappear out of some misguided flag waving pride why not face up to it and try and force it to be dealt with.
Surely thats the responsible thing to do. :shrug:

I would rather there be no more victims. the media is keen to make as many more victims as possible. The media seems to love victims.

[Tom4784]

Blaming the media is just another way of avoiding the issues. The media is needed to highlight cases of brutality and abuse of power otherwise it would go unchecked and things would never change for the better.

[lostalex]

Blaming the media is just another way of avoiding the issues. The media is needed to highlight cases of brutality and abuse of power otherwise it would go unchecked and things would never change for the better.

Thanks for your input Mr. Murdoch

[Tom4784]

Deflection and avoidance again. Would you like me to find you a sand pit so you can bury your head in it?

[lostalex]

Deflection and avoidance again. Would you like me to find you a sand pit so you can bury your head in it?

yes Dezzy that's exactly what i want, how clever and insightful of you to say that. That statement added so much to the conversation and it wasn't off topic or baiting at all. Wait, you're a mod?

lol seriously dude? very professional bro. ;)

[Tom4784]

yes Dezzy that's exactly what i want, how clever and insightful of you to say that. That statement added so much to the conversation and it wasn't off topic or baiting at all. Wait, you're a mod?

lol seriously dude? very professional bro. ;)

You, of all people, are accusing me of bating and going off topic?

https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1po0gjoEn1rqfhi2o1_250.gif

That sad pit comment is fair because you are willfully ignorant, you've said as much in this thread by trying to divert blame onto the media. Now let's get back to the topic at hand, you've attempted to derail this thread for long enough.

[Shaun]

A grand jury has decided not to charge a Missouri policeman over the death of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown.

Announcing the decision, state prosecutor Robert McCulloch said the jury exhaustively examined evidence.

Mr Brown's family said they were "profoundly disappointed". Police said shots were fired and cars vandalised after the announcement.

Michael Brown, 18, was killed by Darren Wilson in Ferguson on 9 August. His death sparked weeks of demonstrations.

Some protests turned violent, and police were criticised for responding with military grade riot equipment.

As the decision was announced late on Monday, hundreds of protesters gathered outside the police department in Ferguson, a suburb of St Louis.

They followed on radios and mobile phones as Mr McCulloch made a statement explaining the decision.

The prosecutor said that the jury's job had been to separate fact from fiction, and that some witness statements had been contradicted by physical evidence.

Mr Brown's family had joined public officials in calling for calm.

After the announcement, they issued a statement saying they were "profoundly disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequence of his actions".

A little later, Ferguson police said on their Twitter feed that shots had been fired, and some protesters were seen vandalising cars. Police responded with tear gas.

President Barack Obama made a statement urging those who disagreed with the grand jury's decision to protest peacefully.

The case has stoked racial tensions in the US, with many in the African American community calling for Mr Wilson to be charged with murder.

Protesters have been chanting, "Hands up, don't shoot" - a reference to statements by some witnesses who said Mr Brown had his hands up in apparent surrender to the officer when he was shot.

Police have said there was a struggle between the teenager and the officer before the shooting.

Missouri Governor Jay Nixon had declared a state of emergency in the area and called in 400 National Guard troops in anticipation of protests ahead of Monday's announcement.

Incredible.

[Mystic Mock]

How come there was 9 white Jury members in a predominantly black area?

Corruption is rife in the American Police Force, the Government protects The Police in most shootings of innocent civilians, imo USA need to sort it out as it is not good for the country (especially if you're black) to feel like you could be shot repeatedly before they even know that you've done anything wrong or not.

[Mystic Mock]

How come there was 9 white Jury members in a predominantly black area?

Corruption is rife in the American Police Force, the Government protects The Police in most shootings of innocent civilians, imo USA need to sort it out as it is not good for the country (especially if you're black) to feel like you could be shot repeatedly before they even know that you've done anything wrong or not.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Depressing but predictable. You knew as soon as it was getting announced that it was going to be no indictment because McCullough was hella defensive even blaming social media for sensationalizing the case and adding to the hysteria. Disgusting but nothing unexpected.

In other news, I have no clue whose bright idea it was to announce this at 9PM. Ferguson's a ****ing mess rn with riots and fires and tear gas.

[Kizzy]

There's a 30 day state of emergency imposed, this isn't going away....

[Mystic Mock]

Shots have gone off in Ferguson now.

And Protesters have marched to the White House.

[Mystic Mock]

Shots have gone off in Ferguson now.

And Protesters have marched to the White House.

[Ammi]

..he shot him 12 times..?...with the last shot entering the top of his head and with witnesses that his hands were raised at the time..?...

[kirklancaster]

Some people will take advantage of any opportunity, like with the London Riots you were so keen on bringing up, it was a case of people using the protest as an excuse to loot. The looters and the protesters should not be marred with the same brush but sadly they are since it's an easy way to demonise the actual protesters and drag their protest through the mud.


Well put. Brilliant.

It's been known - even here in the UK - for the organisations being protested about, to actually orchestrate the lawless 'anarchist' element of otherwise peaceful protests by having thugs who have nothing to do with the protest, join in with it in order to actually initiate the looting and violence.

As you say, it is guaranteed to grab media attention, marginalise the real issue, and dilute any public sympathy for that issue.

[arista]

..he shot him 12 times..?...with the last shot entering the top of his head and with witnesses that his hands were raised at the time..?...


Yes
but the Cop faces no charges.



Once you attack a Officer
you can be shot dead
Its America

[arista]

There's a 30 day state of emergency imposed, this isn't going away....


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/11/25/351950/default/v1/459544426-1-762x428.jpg


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/11/25/352001/default/v1/459548230-1-762x428.jpg

[Ammi]

Yes
but the Cop faces no charges.



Once you attack a Officer
you can be shot dead
Its America

....12 shots is some fairly convincing shooting...how could he have been attacking him with his hands in the air..was he jumping on him or something...

[kirklancaster]

I'm not denying it's a problem, but I am denying that it's a problem with America. America is by far the least racist country on this planet, get back to me when you have a black King of England.

The British Monarchy and The American Political System are two totally different systems. Comparison for critical purposes is ludicrous.

Absolutely ridiculous.

[arista]

....12 shots is some fairly convincing shooting...how could he have been attacking him with his hands in the air..was he jumping on him or something...



That is not true



This is why he was found not guilty.

[kirklancaster]

That is not true

This is why he was found not guilty.

Like the rest of us, Ammi is only commenting upon what she has read about the incident Arista -- the only sources which she has on which to formulate an opinion.

If it isn't true, then please post what is true, so that we can all re-evaluate our opinions.

Thanks.

[arista]

Like the rest of us, Ammi is only commenting upon what she has read about the incident Arista -- the only sources which she has on which to formulate an opinion.

If it isn't true, then please post what is true, so that we can all re-evaluate our opinions.

Thanks.


Yes the kids with that Punk
made up fake storys
so the truth will come out
in the press soon.

M.Brown attacked the Police car first
then attacked that officer.


Debated on CNN America & FoxNewsHD

[Tom4784]

America, a place where you can kill unarmed teenagers but only if they're black...

[arista]

America, a place where you can kill unarmed teenagers but only if they're black...


Thats a bad view
but many say the same , sadly

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/mUc7ksP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rll0nKz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OgV81xE.png

[Tom4784]

Thats a bad view
but many say the same , sadly

It's true though, the autopsy reports poked so many holes in the police officer's story yet he was never at risk at facing actual charges because the justice system will always try to protect their own.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/mUc7ksP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rll0nKz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OgV81xE.png

[arista]

It's true though, the autopsy reports poked so many holes in the police officer's story yet he was never at risk at facing actual charges because the justice system will always try to protect their own.


Yes but also the gang with Brown
have so many holes in it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/CdpA9Ie.png

f8ck off you cowardly c8unts!

[Glenn.]

Only in America

[MTVN]

http://i.imgur.com/CdpA9Ie.png

f8ck off you cowardly c8unts!

Hmm have to say I'm sceptical

[Crimson Dynamo]

its an injustice, the police are racist, its a cover-up


what are we gonna do?





go looting


:facepalm:

[Kizzy]

Only in America

Don't remember the London riots then?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

its an injustice, the police are racist, its a cover-up


what are we gonna do?





go looting


:facepalm:

It's not as simple as just looting. Not long ago white kids did similar over pumpkins. Press called them rowdy and possibly drunk.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yes the kids with that Punk
made up fake storys
so the truth will come out
in the press soon.

M.Brown attacked the Police car first
then attacked that officer.


Debated on CNN America & FoxNewsHD

Hm I keep reading from Americans that views on Fox news and CNN are usually quite racist. And did you hear what Rudy guiliani said "white officers wouldn't be needed if black people weren't killing each other" :facepalm:


A witness tweeted about the murder at the time

http://i.imgur.com/rVtu0YA.jpg


Injuries he claims he got from Mike Brown in here. COOOOUUGH they look like ingrown hair to me. People are comparing these nonsense pics to the pics of a 14 yr old black boy police brutally beat up.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-photos-of-darren-wilsons-injury/383155/

Oh and he got married last month whilst on paid leave, aw how nice.

[Ninastar]

I really don't know what to say on this...

I personally don't think that this is an issue of 'just killing black kids cause we can lol!!!!'

I don't think it's a race issue.

But I do think it has to do with power.

As awful and horrific as this is, you have to imagine the conditions in which the police are going through right now. These 'protests' are violent and scary. They must be fearing for their lives.

Yes, a lot of black people are shot and killed by members of the police... but you've got to remember how many members of the police are killed doing their job.

Is this an act of racism? IMO, no. If this was an act of racism, far far many more black people would be shot and killed on a daily basis. Is this an act of police brutality? Yes, I personally believe so

I believe there is always two sides to a story.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not as simple as just looting. Not long ago white kids did similar over pumpkins. Press called them rowdy and possibly drunk.

do you have a link to that story?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I really don't know what to say on this...

I personally don't think that this is an issue of 'just killing black kids cause we can lol!!!!'

I don't think it's a race issue.

But I do think it has to do with power.

As awful and horrific as this is, you have to imagine the conditions in which the police are going through right now. These 'protests' are violent and scary. They must be fearing for their lives.

Yes, a lot of black people are shot and killed by members of the police... but you've got to remember how many members of the police are killed doing their job.

Is this an act of racism? IMO, no. If this was an act of racism, far far many more black people would be shot and killed on a daily basis. Is this an act of police brutality? Yes, I personally believe so

I believe there is always two sides to a story.


Racial profiling... Trayvon Martin is another good example.
Just look at what police did do a 14 year old. Not sure i've ever seen a 14 yr old white kid beaten to this extent, no matter what the crime. If there was a crime. The pigs photo is beside him because people are comparing his supposed injuries with real injuries
http://i.imgur.com/Sk8KXpL.jpg

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

do you have a link to that story?

http://aattp.org/white-people-riot-for-no-reason-at-pumpkin-festival-called-unruly-and-rowdy-images/

[Ninastar]

Racial profiling... Trayvon Martin is another good example.
Just look at what police did do a 14 year old. Not sure i've ever seen a 14 yr old white kid beaten to this extent, no matter what the crime. If there was a crime. The pigs photo is beside him because people ere comparing his supposed injuries with real injuries
http://i.imgur.com/Sk8KXpL.jpg

Why was the 14 year old beaten up? What's the story behind that.

And I do agree with you, this is an act of crime... but I do want to know why the police officer beat up the 14 year old boy.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Why was the 14 year old beaten up? What's the story behind that.

And I do agree with you, this is an act of crime... but I do want to know why the police officer beat up the 14 year old boy.

Shoplifting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/marissa-sargeant-teen-police-brutality_n_4296767.html


http://i.imgur.com/SHspJeB.jpg

[arista]

Hm I keep reading from Americans that views on Fox news and CNN are usually quite racist. And did you hear what Rudy guiliani said "white officers wouldn't be needed if black people weren't killing each other" :facepalm:


A witness tweeted about the murder at the time

http://i.imgur.com/rVtu0YA.jpg


Injuries he claims he got from Mike Brown in here. COOOOUUGH they look like ingrown hair to me. People are comparing these nonsense pics to the pics of a 14 yr old black boy police brutally beat up.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-photos-of-darren-wilsons-injury/383155/

Oh and he got married last month whilst on paid leave, aw how nice.


You keep reading Rubbish
stop posting twitter
Post Proper News Sites

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You keep reading Rubbish
stop posting twitter
Post Proper News Sites

The fact that this was posted on twitter is not relevent. It's his version of what happened that is. He is a "witness". Thanks. If what is said on twitter shouldn't be relevant then Richard Madeley and what's her face shouldn't have brought charges against someone that threatened rape.


Another fun fact. Walmart donated $10000 to support pig, when a black man was killed days earlier by police for holding an air gun from their shelf. And in googling air gun just found news that the same happened to a 12 year old black boy. :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Either you agree with justice and the legal system or leave

dont riot because it did not go the way you wanted it


The police have a hard enough time

[Niamh.]

Either you agree with justice and the legal system or leave

dont riot because it did not go the way you wanted it


The police have a hard enough time

Rioting is probably not the way to go but people should be free to protest in their own country if they believe that the justice system is biased

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rioting is probably not the way to go but people should be free to protest in their own country if they believe that the justice system is biased

They can protest all they like but not use misinformation and drama to steal and act like hoodlums

[lostalex]

It makes me proud of the gay rights movement, and gay rights parades and protests. Other minority rights groups/activists engage in SHAMEful behavior, while almost all gay rights protests are all about PRIDE.

Shame on the "protesters" in Ferguson. disgraceful. I would be aSHAMEd if i was a member of that community.

[Creggle]

From everything I've read about this, the officer was well in the right shooting 'Mr.' Brown. Would of been better if he had disabled him rather than killing him but it's hardly a loss to the world that this kid is dead... If he was white, there would be no issue, this is just a group of people jumping at the chance to kick up a fuss because OBVIOUSLY every bloody 'injustice' in the world (if this could even be classed as such a thing) has to boil down to racism... No.
It was a dangerous criminal putting people at risk, he got put down, end of story.

[lostalex]

America, a place where you can kill unarmed teenagers but only if they're black...

TiBB, a place where mods can talk complete nonsense and act smug about it...

Everywhere in America it is just as illegal to kill a black person as a white person. Stop talking **** Dizzy.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

From everything I've read about this, the officer was well in the right shooting 'Mr.' Brown. Would of been better if he had disabled him rather than killing him but it's hardly a loss to the world that this kid is dead... If he was white, there would be no issue, this is just a group of people jumping at the chance to kick up a fuss because OBVIOUSLY every bloody 'injustice' in the world (if this could even be classed as such a thing) has to boil down to racism... No.
It was a dangerous criminal putting people at risk, he got put down, end of story.

Unarmed, you are so right. Major threat. http://i.imgur.com/0KSFkhU.gif

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It makes me proud of the gay rights movement, and gay rights parades and protests. Other minority rights groups/activists engage in SHAMEful behavior, while almost all gay rights protests are all about PRIDE.

Shame on the "protesters" in Ferguson. disgraceful. I would be aSHAMEd if i was a member of that community.

Gay rights, with plenty of gay people in positions and employment in the higher end of the spectrum where help and support can be obtained to avoid being "uncivilised" "apes". http://i.imgur.com/0KSFkhU.gif

[Ninastar]

From everything I've read about this, the officer was well in the right shooting 'Mr.' Brown. Would of been better if he had disabled him rather than killing him but it's hardly a loss to the world that this kid is dead... If he was white, there would be no issue, this is just a group of people jumping at the chance to kick up a fuss because OBVIOUSLY every bloody 'injustice' in the world (if this could even be classed as such a thing) has to boil down to racism... No.
It was a dangerous criminal putting people at risk, he got put down, end of story.

Very brave of you to say so...

I do agree with you, but i think police brutality is quite bad in the states...

Although saying this, if you had to deal with all the things they have to, surely you would be brutal/paranoid?

[lostalex]

Gay rights, with plenty of positions and employment in the higher end of the spectrum where help and support can be obtained to avoid being "uncivilised" "apes". http://i.imgur.com/0KSFkhU.gif

really? compare how many scholarships there are for blacks compared to scholarships for gays. not to mention the fact that blacks have had equal rights for over 50 years now, while gays still don't have equal rights.

You should think before you speak. It's a fact that gays have it worse in this country and around the world than blacks, that's a fact.

[lostalex]

Very brave of you to say so...

I do agree with you, but i think police brutality is quite bad in the states...

Although saying this, if you had to deal with all the things they have to, surely you would be brutal/paranoid?

you hit the nail on the head Nina. this is about Police training and conduct, nothing to do with racism at all. there is no evidence that race played a part in this case at all. I haven't heard any evidence that this police officer was a racist.

[lostalex]

I think there should be a separate thread for the 12 y/o fake gun story. It doesn't make sense for us to be discussion both at the same time.

[Creggle]

Unarmed, you are so right. Major threat. http://i.imgur.com/0KSFkhU.gif

He's as big and nasty as somebody twice his age, he lives in a rough area and his family may own guns, it isn't a stretch the believe his could be real. Failing that, he could seriously injure somebody throwing his weight around. The cop made a decision and was in his rights to do so, imagine what this psychopath could of been capable of in 6 years time, it was prison or the morgue.

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world prison would of been better, then he could of justifiably ate a bullet if he did something like this when he got out, but what happened happened. Not everybody get's a second chance.

[Creggle]

Very brave of you to say so...

I do agree with you, but i think police brutality is quite bad in the states...

Although saying this, if you had to deal with all the things they have to, surely you would be brutal/paranoid?

If I was an officer in the USA, and had a knickel for every criminal going to the hospital with a bullet or 10 in their legs... I'd retire early :creep:

EDIT: fml double post :sad:

[Niamh.]

I think there should be a separate thread for the 12 y/o fake gun story. It doesn't make sense for us to be discussion both at the same time.

Yeah, you're right, I'll move these posts

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

really? compare how many scholarships there are for blacks compared to scholarships for gays. not to mention the fact that blacks have had equal rights for over 50 years now, while gays still don't have equal rights.


Blacks have been fighting for equal/civil rights since the 1900's, possibly earlier. In the earlier stages plenty of our protests and parades were civilised too.

http://i.imgur.com/BNUta6h.jpg

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

He's as big and nasty as somebody twice his age, he lives in a rough area and his family may own guns, it isn't a stretch the believe his could be real. Failing that, he could seriously injure somebody throwing his weight around. The cop made a decision and was in his rights to do so, imagine what this psychopath could of been capable of in 6 years time, it was prison or the morgue.

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world prison would of been better, then he could of justifiably ate a bullet if he did something like this when he got out, but what happened happened. Not everybody get's a second chance.

Are you a cop? You sound like one. Family possibly owned a gun like those whites that go to those gun practising establishments on a weekly basis? Big and nasty like Hulk hogan like the cop described? If cops can't handle coming face to face with people twice their size they shouldn't be in this business. There should have been other options then shooting him dead. He was unarmed!! Nobody should be shot dead on assumption. And he was nasty? Why because the press said so? Why is there no pics of him graduating in huge news outlets? He was an animal lover why isn't it talked about? No they only vilify who they want to so the public can be like he "deserved" it.

[arista]

Blacks have been fighting for equal/civil rights since the 1900's, possibly earlier. In the earlier stages plenty of our protests and parades were civilised too.

http://i.imgur.com/BNUta6h.jpg



Yes we know that

There is a Black President now
trouble is he acted as a adviser all the time
and Failed America.

The Bin Laden mission was on
who ever was in power

[Creggle]

Are you a cop? You sound like one. Family possibly owned a gun like those whites that go to those gun practising establishments on a weekly basis? Big and nasty like Hulk hogan like the cop described? If cops can't handle coming face to face with people twice their size they shouldn't be in this business. There should have been other options then shooting him dead. He was unarmed!! Nobody should be shot dead on assumption. And he was nasty? Why because the press said so? Why is there no pics of him graduating in huge news outlets? He was an animal lover why isn't it talked about? No they only vilify who they want to so the public can be like he "deserved" it.

It isn't that comparable though, any family that own firearms, aren't going to leave them on the coffee table, especially when they know they have a problem child running around the house with a juvenile record, unless they are a messed up, criminalized family that don't give a ****. Also, you don't think gun peddlers sell to children over there!?

So... You're in the 'ghetto' and a person who looks around 18-20 demands something from a shop clerk, waving a gun around... Pretty open and shut case imo, he shouldn't of fired a fatal shot, just like you shouldnt open a glass door by pressing on the glass, but w.e.

I'd rather a criminal die with a fake gun in their hand than an officer of the law dying because they decided not to open fire. Not everyones lives are equal, there a things in this world that you can do, to devalue your own, and holding up a shop at gunpoint is one of them. The fact the gun was fake doesn't mean sh!t, was it a bright pink super soaker? There was no way to tell his 'toy' was a toy without him firing a shot or without inspecting it after the fact. If it's real and even if you shoot the dude in the leg, what's to stop him putting 3 in your chest on the way down?

[Shaun]

Oh lord you're a ****ing idiot

[Mystic Mock]

Rioting is probably not the way to go but people should be free to protest in their own country if they believe that the justice system is biased

This, America is not suppose to be a dictatorship.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It isn't that comparable though, any family that own firearms, aren't going to leave them on the coffee table, especially when they know they have a problem child running around the house with a juvenile record, unless they are a messed up, criminalized family that don't give a ****. Also, you don't think gun peddlers sell to children over there!?

So... You're in the 'ghetto' and a person who looks around 18-20 demands something from a shop clerk, waving a gun around... Pretty open and shut case imo, he shouldn't of fired a fatal shot, just like you shouldnt open a glass door by pressing on the glass, but w.e.

I'd rather a criminal die with a fake gun in their hand than an officer of the law dying because they decided not to open fire. Not everyones lives are equal, there a things in this world that you can do, to devalue your own, and holding up a shop at gunpoint is one of them. The fact the gun was fake doesn't mean sh!t, was it a bright pink super soaker? There was no way to tell his 'toy' was a toy without him firing a shot or without inspecting it after the fact. If it's real and even if you shoot the dude in the leg, what's to stop him putting 3 in your chest on the way down?


A WHITE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL STAR VIOLENTLY RAPED A GIRL, FILMED IT, AND PUT IT ONLINE BUT HE SHOULDN’T GET PUNISHED.

A BLACK KID CARRYING SKITTLES GETS SHOT AND WAS A THUG.

A WHITE KID SHOOTS UP A UNIVERSITY BUT HE WAS SUCH A GOOD KID.

AN UNARMED BLACK KID GETS SHOT 6 TIMES AND DESERVED TO DIE.

A WHITE GUY RAPES HIS THREE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, BUT DOESN’T GO TO PRISON.

A BLACK KID WITH A BB GUN IS SHOT AND KILLED ON SITE.
...

[lostalex]

Blacks have been fighting for equal/civil rights since the 1900's, possibly earlier. In the earlier stages plenty of our protests and parades were civilised too.

propaganda

wow, cute propaganda image. yay for google images...

and gay people have been oppressed, enslaved and had their rights denied since the beginning of time by not only white people, but by Blacks and every other race too.

What is your point?

[lostalex]

This, America is not suppose to be a dictatorship.

If the "protesters" in Ferguson had their way, we'd be ruled by Mobs (who seem more interested in sneakers, weaves, and liquor than anything else)

Remind me again what looting a beauty supply shop has to do with civil rights? oh yea, i forgot, we aren't allowed to talk about black women's hair...

[Creggle]

...

wut? LOL

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

wow, cute propaganda image. yay for google images...

and gay people have been oppressed, enslaved and had their rights denied since the beginning of time by not only white people, but by Blacks and every other race too.

What is your point?

You used the time frame difference of blacks having rights over 50 years now (apparently). My point was don't compare the timeline of black rights movement and gay rights movement. LGB was around in the 80's and became LGBT in the 1990's. You mentioned all the achievements blacks have achieved in regard to their movement, they've been doing it for ages so rightly so there should been some progress. Your side is getting there beginning with gay marriage but this isn't about homosexuals so stop making it about them in every situation.

"Other minority rights groups/activists engage in SHAMEful behavior, while almost all gay rights protests are all about PRIDE."

Funny because I am reading some articles and white people have started many riots over various subjects like someone getting fired, beer not being allowed at an event, pumpkins, football games, surf competition but people riot about one kid who they think was unjustly killed and we get comments like "I don't care about black, go "BACH" to Africa", "shameful behaviour". Oh the white priviledge. And why isn't the news talking about this outcome, they mentioned Lee Rigby I couldn't be arsed this time. If Mike Brown was white they would not have talked about his supposed thuggish side but they would have painted him as a bright, loving kid who lost his mind along the way. If Lee Rigby did some bad **** in the past we would hardly know about it because all that matters is that one moment that he was killed, as it should be for Mike Brown but nope, everything has to go against him, his family owns guns, he looked like an oversized demon, he lives in the ghetto. Can't win.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Edit: Ok ITV news will report Ferguson.

[arista]

The one thing M. Browns Family
have said is every Police Officer
should have a camera on them filming
then we can all see what went on.

[lostalex]

The one thing M. Browns Family
have said is every Police Officer
should have a camera on them filming
then we can all see what went on.

i doubt that would have solved this. there are some people who will support a violent thug even with video evidence, and there is video evidence in this case of him being a violent thug.

Some people are very tribal, and just support their own, and can't hear reason.

[Macie Lightfoot]

"violent thug" lmfao

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

i doubt that would have solved this. there are some people who will support a violent thug even with video evidence, and there is video evidence in this case of him being a violent thug.
.

Is that scene before hand or at the actual moment, in the scene of the crime? That is the argument!! It's not just about race it's about justice. Even the cop testified he had his hands up, was unarmed. What terrified him was his demon like appearance. Ok then.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg
M.Brown doing his Nasty Robbery
before he was shot dead

http://news.sky.com/story/1319303/officer-in-fatal-missouri-teen-shooting-named


M.Brown was a walking Death Wish, sadly

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

M.Brown was a walking Death Wish, sadly

But again, was this before hand or at the actual crime scene where the cop said he was unarmed and had his hands up?

Plenty of people rob with visible weapons and they are still handled appropriately.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Wilson did not know about the robbery. Some facts by Shaun King.

https://storify.com/laurahib/shaun-king

Support your brown brothers :bawling: People usually question or are skeptical or police or government actions in general but when a black kid is involved, he ****ing deserved it E'RTING the police is saying is FACT. Oh looky he was robbing, he deserved to die. :bawling: That ****ing paedo and child rapist can walk for bit but this evil, devil huge black bastard death is justified. :bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:

[lostalex]

^^^ WTF?

[lostalex]

"violent thug" lmfao

yes, he was a large violent thug. we've all seen the video. how would you describe his behavior in that video?

he was thuggish and violent. He robbed a store, and abused the staff at that store, violently. That makes him a violent thug.

[Nedusa]

Unarmed innocent youngster... You must be havin a laugh....!!!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Veterans' appeal to National Guard: "Stand with Ferguson protesters, not the police!"



To our brothers and sisters in the Missouri National Guard:

We are writing to you as active-duty U.S. service members and veterans, most of us having served in the Iraq war.

You have a choice you can make right now.

The whole world is watching the Ferguson police with disgust. They killed an unarmed, college-bound Black youth in broad daylight, and subsequently responded to peaceful, constitutionally-protected protests with extreme violence and repression.

Countless constitutional and human rights violations by these police have been documented over the course of the Ferguson protests; from attacking and threatening journalists, to using tear gas against peaceful protesters, including children.

Now, Governor Nixon has again activated the National Guard to “support law enforcement.” But you don't have to follow their orders—you can stand with the protesters instead.

Our true duty

When we signed up, we swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.

The police in Ferguson are violating that Constitution.

The First Amendment guarantees the right to free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of the press.

These laws are, as we are taught our entire lives, our most cherished Constitutional rights—the whole basis for the “freedom” we are told makes us the greatest country on Earth.

It is undeniable that the Ferguson police has used extreme violence against peaceful protesters, suppressing the right of the people to free speech and the freedom to assemble. They have attacked crowds, with children in them, with rubber bullets, sound cannons and tear gas. People have been mass arrested for simply being at the protest.

Freedom of the press has also been severely infringed upon by Ferguson police. Journalists have been arrested; photo evidence shows riot police firing tear gas directly at reporters and tearing down their camera equipment; Ferguson police have been caught on video threatening journalists with violence if they don’t leave, and declaring that they are not allowed in the protest area.

With such important and dramatic events unfolding, the right of the people in the United States to have the truth covered by the press is essential to any so-called democratic society.

The people have the right to protest. If we were truly honoring our oath, we would be in Ferguson to protect the protesters against the repression of their rights by the police.

We don’t just have a legal obligation, but a moral one

Clearly, we would be within our legal rights to refuse to help the Ferguson police unconstitutionally suppress these protests. But beyond the constitutional case, we have a moral obligation to refuse to participate.

The Ferguson police are treating this like a war. And we know that not all wars are just.

These protests have done something very important in our society: they have raised the deep issues we face of inequality, poverty, racism and police misconduct onto a national stage. It has turned public consciousness to these real problems that plague our society.

Do you really want to be part of suppressing those civilians raising all these important issues on the national stage?

Racist police brutality is a real issue in America

The autopsy of Michael Brown confirms at least five eye-witness accounts that the young man—who was not even suspected by Darren Wilson of any crime—was shot while he had his hands in the air.

Those of us in the military—especially with combat experience—knows that this flies in the face of any Rules of Engagement, and we know that it is completely ridiculous to believe that Darren Wilson feared for his life in anyway whatsoever.

Increasingly, the issue of rampant police brutality in America—most frequently by white officers against people of color, with an African American killed every 28 hours by police—is garnering more and more attention on a national and international scale.

Outrage by the community against the state's refusal to hold Darren Wilson accountable is entirely justified; the movement, led by Black youth, is a just movement.

History is unfolding, with the whole world watching. You have a decision to make on which side of history to be on.

You will make history, one way or the other

If you take part in the suppression of the protests for Michael Brown, we will be enshrined in history just as the National Guard soldiers who followed their orders to attack and repress civil rights actions, union pickets and anti-war protests. History has not looked kindly on them.

But you have the chance to make a different kind of history.

Imagine the powerful impact it would have if you abandoned your posts and marched with the protesters.

That single action could have the biggest possible effect on the crisis in Ferguson and the larger issues it represents in the entire country. It could be a major turning point in the fight against racism, inequality and police abuse.

You wouldn’t be alone. There is a whole community of service members, veterans and civilian supporters who would defend your right to do so. And now, in this critical moment, we are urging you to exercise that right.

Justice for Mike Brown! Arrest Darren Wilson!

...add your name to this open letter to the National Guard by emailing your name, branch and dates of service, and any deployments to info@marchforward.org

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...add your name to this open letter to the National Guard by emailing your name, branch and dates of service, and any deployments to info@marchforward.org

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................

[Nedusa]

Whatever......... The appeal means nothing, will go nowhere and eventually overwhelming force will be used and law and order will be restored...






.

[kirklancaster]

yes, he was a large violent thug. we've all seen the video. how would you describe his behavior in that video?

he was thuggish and violent. He robbed a store, and abused the staff at that store, violently. That makes him a violent thug.

America is a democracy, and has a Criminal Justice System which affords the due process of law to even murderers.

Whether this guy was a violent thug or not, and I agree that he seems to have been, he had his hands up - the universally recognised gesture of surrender, irrefutable proof that he was not holding a weapon of any kind, and a categorical admission that he was submissive -- willing to go quietly.

Since when, then, does a cop have the autonomy to execute a 'suspect' as he sees fit?

Where does it end? Shooting Roman Catholic priests on sight because the cop in question is an atheist? Blowing away guys with beards and long hair because the cop doing the executing has alopecia?

Why not just let cops round up everyone that frightens them or doesn't fit their brief of who should be breathing, and crack open a few canisters of the old 'Zyklon B' ?

The guy was executed - like the 12 year old kid with the toy gun in the other thread - by racist cops with their own agenda because he was black.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Whatever......... The appeal means nothing, will go nowhere and eventually overwhelming force will be used and law and order will be restored...


What part of unarmed and his hands were up do you not understand?


Anyway another article from a witness.

Witness: Michael Brown Said 'I Give Up' Before Being Shot

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/witness-michael-brown-said-i-give-up_n_6218986.html




The fook is the police blaming social media for everything.

Lee Rigby "why didn't facebook alert us"
Mike Brown "social media played a part is sensationalizing this case"

Make your minds up. You can't just accept social media involvement when it suits you.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

zXTZOR-lHw0

Dorian Johnson. He was walking with Mike at the time.

[lostalex]

America is a democracy, and has a Criminal Justice System which affords the due process of law to even murderers.

Whether this guy was a violent thug or not, and I agree that he seems to have been, he had his hands up - the universally recognised gesture of surrender, irrefutable proof that he was not holding a weapon of any kind, and a categorical admission that he was submissive -- willing to go quietly.

Since when, then, does a cop have the autonomy to execute a 'suspect' as he sees fit?

Where does it end? Shooting Roman Catholic priests on sight because the cop in question is an atheist? Blowing away guys with beards and long hair because the cop doing the executing has alopecia?

Why not just let cops round up everyone that frightens them or doesn't fit their brief of who should be breathing, and crack open a few canisters of the old 'Zyklon B' ?

The guy was executed - like the 12 year old kid with the toy gun in the other thread - by racist cops with their own agenda because he was black.

A giant druggie violent thug that attacked a cop is the same as a 12 yo boy with a fake gun? really?

you just lost all credibility. the cases have nothing to do with each other, unless you think all black people are the same, which would make you a racist.

[lostalex]

zXTZOR-lHw0

Dorian Johnson. He was walking with Mike at the time.

wow, his accomplice would never lie right? his thug friends would never try to cover their own asses right?

give me a break.

just like that fat dumb black chick that looked like Precious on the Trayvon Martin case. GIVE ME A ****ING BREAK.

[lostalex]

Why do black people always choose such MORONS as their rallying cry? i have no more sympathy now than i ever did for Rodney King. Stop rallying around criminal thugs! that's my advice to the black community.

Picking a guy who just robbed a store and beat up the owner stole a BLUNT wrapper so he could smoke weed, and then threatened and attacked cops, wow... yes, that's what actually happened...

How the hell do you think I should have sympathy for someone like that?

**** RODNEY KING, AND **** this dumb fat idiot THUG that got killed too.

Maybe if there was an actual INNOCENT victim, you'd gain more support for your cause.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Lostalex, you are just lost, prejudice racist individual, not just based on what you think of this case but the way you are talking in general. Not surprised seeing where you are from.

If you are discrediting any witnesses testimony based on their appearance then you are an idiot.

Arguing with someone like you that probably lives in privilidged area and whose biggest problem probably is what color shorts should I wear with my new tan today, is pointless. Someone like you could never understand, so this is pointless.

BYE FELICIA! <---Yes I acted ghetto.

http://i.imgur.com/gwBStpS.jpg

[kirklancaster]

A giant druggie violent thug that attacked a cop is the same as a 12 yo boy with a fake gun? really?

you just lost all credibility. the cases have nothing to do with each other, unless you think all black people are the same, which would make you a racist.

I never said the victims were the same - I said the motives for each victim being killed were the same - racism, because both victims were black.

I wouldn't worry about my credibility if I were you Alex, I am not blinded by any deep seated rage when I form opinions on what I read or see or hear, so when I eventually put metaphorical pen to paper, my views are the result of detached, logical analysis, and/or personal experience, and are as comprehensive and balanced as I can make them. This being so, other people may disagree with my views, or ignore them - as is often the case on here - but they can never question their credibility.

I welcome responses, but would ask that if anyone is going to respond critically to anything which I state in my posts, then please have the courtesy to have actually read and understood exactly what I have written before critiquing.

This, in particular, appears to be a flaw in your good self Alex - you seem to constantly paste angry retorts to my posts which often come across as irrational ranting because you have not correctly read and understood what I have written and become irritated by the false results of your own misconceptions.

Hardly my fault.

[Macie Lightfoot]

yes, he was a large violent thug. we've all seen the video. how would you describe his behavior in that video?

he was thuggish and violent. He robbed a store, and abused the staff at that store, violently. That makes him a violent thug.

oh true, and then he was tried on the spot and sentenced to death 9 minutes after the alleged robbery

[iRyan]

**** the popo

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif The dumbass that wrote on twitter "black people we don't care about you go "bach" to Africa we never should have bought you" has been fired. http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif The dumbass had her employment place on facebook and so many people called there. Lmao stoopid. http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif

Another one wrote so is this the beginning of planet of the apes?...she's being handled! People tracked the **** out of them, got their work number and they are going to town. http://i.imgur.com/PCSbytY.gif

[kirklancaster]

http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif The dumbass that wrote on twitter "black people we don't care about you go "bach" to Africa we never should have bought you" has been fired. http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif The dumbass had her employment place on facebook and so many people called there. Lmao stoopid. http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif

If that's a direct quote, then the bitch is not only ignorant but illiterate.

So LMFAO too.

[Shaun]

Oh good. I heard her college was contacted by thousands of people.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/DoDHrcZ.png

:xyxwave::xyxwave:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

If that's a direct quote, then the bitch is not only ignorant but illiterate.

So LMFAO too.

It was. Here is another people are passing around.

http://i.imgur.com/5xhCsnB.jpg

[Ammi]

..it's strange how it was all concentrated on the inconsistencies of the witnesses testimonies but there seem to be inconsistencies in Wilson's also...he seemed to have a 'clear' head in his thought processes as he described them how he thought about using mace but then decided that wouldn't maybe be effective..?...and then his flashlight..?..before coming to the conclusion that he had to draw his gun....and yet when he was firing..(repeatedly..)...and someone who was unarmed, he couldn't remember how many shots were fired, where he had aimed exactly..?...

...it's also apparently the first time that he had used his firearm...it kind of leads you to think that maybe at the very least, he completely panicked in what was genuine fear...but that in itself is surely completely unacceptable because a member of the public would be charged in a similar situation..?...he's a trained police officer..he's trained not to panic....just because he may have felt that Michael Brown was a threat to his life, doesn't mean that he was one...and if he was still having 'rational thought' like he himself describes then why wasn't that identified by him also....an aimed non lethal shot would have prevented that threat/preserved life... but 12 shots suggests panic and completely wrong for the situation he found himself in....

[Ammi]

..oh also, the anger thing and that Michael Brown looked like a 'demon' or something..?...when he described that 'look', he had just shot him, saw the blood so that 'look' would have surely been pain....my personal thoughts are that instead od waiting for some kind of back up, he went into a situation..lost control of it..became scared/panicked and shot and shot at Michael Brown until he was lifeless, so removing his fear....but that's murder though, isn't it..?...

[Kizzy]

Anyone would look like a demon if you blew the top of their head off?
That's hard to get over the fact he shot him 12 times, you would think that if acting rationally after shooting someone 6 or 7 times you would be pretty sure life was extinct...but 12?

[kirklancaster]

Quote From Kizzy: "Anyone would look like a demon if you blew the top of their head off?
That's hard to get over the fact he shot him 12 times, you would think that if acting rationally after shooting someone 6 or 7 times you would be pretty sure life was extinct...but 12?"

You got it Kiz. -- When Homicide detectives come across a victim who has been stabbed repeatedly, say, 12 times, they immediately mentally categorize the motive for the murder as being 'personal' - ie; being committed by someone who knew the victim and who was acting out of 'rage' for personal reasons - especially if some of those wounds were inflicted 'post mortem'.

We do not yet know whether the cop Wilson knew Michael Brown previous to murdering him, but it is patently clear to any logical, impartial person, that the number of times he shot him would suggest either a 'knee jerk' over-reaction of panic due to sheer terror, or a contemptuous action of deliberate execution in an explosion of rage because of some twisted inner hatred.

The internet is full of 'eyewitness' accounts of what transpired - some of it conflicting - but the more weighty, more credible evidence, would suggest that Brown was clearly unarmed when first shot by Wilson, and that after being shot, he then tried to stagger away and was shot in the back, then turned to face Wilson and was then shot again. This is hardly the actions of a man who would strike terror in a trained, armed police officer, nor the 'knee jerk' panicked reaction of that officer succumbing to such terror.

No; having read all there is to currently read on the incident, and having viewed the numerous video footage, my initial conclusion - that this was a callous, unnecessary, racially motivated execution by a serving police officer, has been reinforced.

The fact that Brown was a bullying thieving thug - which some hurl into the discussion as some form of justification for Wilson's execution - has no relevance here at all. If Brown was such a thug, then he should have been arrested and charged and put into a prison cell to await the due processes of American law.

Wilson needs professional psychiatric evaluation, and his background needs exhaustive checking into by impartial investigators - but only after undergoing an independently orchestrated polygraph examination.

[Kizzy]

I read they were denying he was shot in the back?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Leader of KKK admits to having friends in the Law enforcement and admits to talking to them off the record. What a surprise. 4:50

MP8Of6gbZaM

Ok well he paid
maA1FUJqhew

But that's ok conveniently forget to release this footage as well. Just release the part they have released which portrays a different narrative to what actually happened. Oh my life. And that pig going on TV saying he has a clear conscience...unbelievable.

-White Kids on social media showing guns saying Missouri i'm coming, shoot those porch monkeys down
-Another little fact the examining photographer said he didn't take pictures because his camera had died. How professional.



Missouri’s tortured history of racism: Why the inferno in Ferguson is no surprise
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/21/missouris_tortured_history_of_racism_why_the_infer no_in_ferguson_is_no_surprise_partner/

For decades the state has been a hot bed for the country's most virulent racists, from neo-Nazis to the KKK


The past week’s unfolding tragedy in Ferguson, Missouri, with its militarized and overwhelmingly white police force confronting angry and hopeless African-Americans, is not a story unique to that place or this moment. Many cities and towns in this country confront the same problems of poverty, alienation and inequality as metropolitan St. Louis — or even worse.

But beneath the familiar narrative, there is a deeper history that reflects the unfinished agenda of race relations — and the persistence of poisonous prejudice that has never been fully cleansed from the American mainstream.

For decades, Missouri has spawned or attracted many of the nation’s most virulent racists, including neo-Nazis and the remnants of the once-powerful Ku Klux Klan. Associated with violent criminality and crackpot religious extremism, these fringe groups could never wield much influence in the post-civil rights era. Beyond those marginalized outfits, however, exists another white supremacist group whose leaders have long enjoyed the patronage of right-wing Republican politicians.

The Council of Conservative Citizens, headquartered in St. Louis, is a living legacy of Southern “white resistance” to desegregation, with historical roots in the so-called citizens councils that sprang up during the 1950s as a “respectable” adjunct to the Klan. Its website currently proclaims that the CCC is “the only serious nationwide activist group that sticks up for white rights!” What that means, more specifically, is promoting hatred of blacks, Jews, gays and lesbians, and Latino immigrants while extolling the virtues of the “Southern way of life,” the Confederacy and even slavery.

The group’s website goes on to brag that the CCC is the only group promoting “white rights” whose meetings regularly feature “numerous elected officials, important authors, talk-show hosts, active pastors, and other important people” as speakers.

Although that boast may be exaggerated, it isn’t hollow. Founded in 1985 by the ax handle-wielding Georgia segregationist Lester Maddox and a group of white activists, the CCC remained obscure to most Americans until 1998, when media exposure of its ties to prominent congressional Republicans led to the resignation of Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi as majority leader. Six years later, the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit group monitoring racist activity in the United States, reported that the CCC had hosted as many as 38 federal, state and local officials at its meetings (all of them Republicans, except one Democrat) — despite a warning from the Republican National Committee against associating with the hate group.

Over the years, the CCC’s friends in high places included such figures as former Sen. John Ashcroft of Missouri, who shared much of the CCC agenda as governor, when he opposed “forced desegregation” of St. Louis schools — along with the CCC members who served on the city’s school board. When President George W. Bush appointed Ashcroft as U.S. attorney general, the CCC openly celebrated, declaring in its newsletter, “Our Ship Has Come In.”

Recently, far fewer Republican officials have been willing to associate in public with the CCC’s racist leaders. Then again, however, Ashcroft himself tended to meet secretly with those same bigots while outwardly shunning them. When asked about his connections with the group during his confirmation hearings in 2001, he swore that he had no inkling of its racist and anti-Semitic propaganda — a very implausible excuse, given the CCC’s prominence in St. Louis while he served as governor.

Despite the CCC’s presence, Missouri is home to many fine and decent people, of course — but malignant traces of the group and the racial animus it represents have spread far beyond the state’s borders. The most obvious example is Rush Limbaugh, the “conservative” cultural phenomenon who grew up south of St. Louis — in Cape Girardeau, Missouri — and who has earned a reputation as a racial agitator over many years on talk radio, where he began by doing mocking bits in “black” dialect.

In 1998, the talk jock defended Lott when other conservatives were demanding his resignation over the politician’s CCC connection. Today Limbaugh echoes the CCC line on the Michael Brown killing in Ferguson, which suggests coldly that the unarmed teenager deserved his fate because he may have been a suspect in shoplifting or smoked marijuana. Why would a young man’s life be worth less than a box of cigars? Back in Rush’s home state, the answer is all too obvious.

Joe Conason is the editor in chief of NationalMemo.com. To find out more about Joe Conason, visit the Creators Syndicate website at www.creators.com.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Ammi;7391167]..it's strange how it was all concentrated on the inconsistencies of the witnesses testimonies but there seem to be inconsistencies in Wilson's also...he seemed to have a 'clear' head in his thought processes as he described them how he thought about using mace but then decided that wouldn't maybe be effective..?...and then his flashlight..?..before coming to the conclusion that he had to draw his gun....

Absolutely Ammi -- such a self proclaimed sequence of thought processes are hardly supportive of "unavoidable action" due to a "state of panic" or "fear for life" are they?

Rule the panic driven knee-jerk reaction theory out, and we are left with only one conclusion - deliberate execution of an unarmed man by a serving police officer for his own personal motives.

It is then, only the motives themselves which need theorising and speculating upon.

Did the Officer Wilson detest people with the name Brown? Did he detest thieves? Did he lose his temper because - according to some eyewitnesses he attempted to open his 'prowler' car door but couldn't because he initially drew up too close to Brown and Johnson? Did Brown and Wilson struggle through the open window of the prowler? Did Wilson's gun go off accidentally during such a struggle?

All the above is totally irrelevant in addressing the $64,000 question of whether Wilson shot Brown legitimately 'in the line of duty'? or executed him unnecessarily for personal reasons.

The facts are irrefutable;

Brown was unharmed, debilitated and wounded by Wilson's first shot, so every additional shot was both unnecessary and of murderous intent.

There is absolutely no mitigation for the other shots - be they an additional 5 or an additional 11.

This was murder. Nothing less, and only the motive remains to be ascertained. I know - given the facts as we have them - what my conclusion is.

[kirklancaster]

I read they were denying he was shot in the back?

Yes Kizzy, but I'm going by the greater weight of testimony from what I deem the more credible of actual 'eyewitnesses' rather than those highly suspect 'Johnny Come Lately's whose 'testimony' I believe is deeply suspect and rather a convenient 'Deux Ex Machina' as far as the sanitized police version of events are concerned.

[Kizzy]

Is there a post mortem report published?

[Ammi]

..the thing about it is as well...the 'demon look' or however he described it would be contributed to the fact that he had just been shot and wounded and the only time that Wilson could genuinely been in fear for his life was when there was an apparent struggle in the car when he said that Michael Brown tried to grab it and point it back at him..?...other than that, Michael Brown was running away from the incident and Wilson perused him ...even if he wasn't shot in the back...what Wilson said was that he feared his life when he killed Michael Brown...?...so when Michael Brown was approaching him and close enough to be a threat..(as he was unarmed..) so had to be pretty close to him...then a trained police office could not prevent that threat at such a close range with one shot to wound..?...or was he further away and more shots were required..?...so he wasn't a threat to Wilson's life then..?...

...I think he just put his finger on the trigger of his gun and didn't stop until the gun was empty at a time when there was no longer a 'threat' to his life and there is no way that was 'self defence'....and those are by Wilson's own version....not by any other eye witness accounts....

[Ammi]

Yes Kizzy, but I'm going by the greater weight of testimony from what I deem the more credible of actual 'eyewitnesses' rather than those highly suspect 'Johnny Come Lately's whose 'testimony' I believe is deeply suspect and rather a convenient 'Deux Ex Machina' as far as the sanitized police version of events are concerned.

..it doesn't matter whether he was shot in the back or not though Kirk from the point that he still shot and killed Michael Brown when he was no threat to his life...

[kirklancaster]

..it doesn't matter whether he was shot in the back or not though Kirk from the point that he still shot and killed Michael Brown when he was no threat to his life...

Yes my love - you are right. Oh am I so glad you're back :blush:

Seriously Ammi, you are right - it does not matter. It's more damning, but - as you say - it does not alter the fact that Brown was not presenting a threat to anyone when Wilson shot him.

[kirklancaster]

Is there a post mortem report published?

I saw a reference to one Kizzy whilst I was browsing the internet in the early hours, but now can't seem to find it. I'll let you know and paste the link (getting all techno now thanks to Ammi) if I do find it.

[arista]

..the thing about it is as well...the 'demon look' or however he described it would be contributed to the fact that he had just been shot and wounded and the only time that Wilson could genuinely been in fear for his life was when there was an apparent struggle in the car when he said that Michael Brown tried to grab it and point it back at him..?...other than that, Michael Brown was running away from the incident and Wilson perused him ...even if he wasn't shot in the back...what Wilson said was that he feared his life when he killed Michael Brown...?...so when Michael Brown was approaching him and close enough to be a threat..(as he was unarmed..) so had to be pretty close to him...then a trained police office could not prevent that threat at such a close range with one shot to wound..?...or was he further away and more shots were required..?...so he wasn't a threat to Wilson's life then..?...

...I think he just put his finger on the trigger of his gun and didn't stop until the gun was empty at a time when there was no longer a 'threat' to his life and there is no way that was 'self defence'....and those are by Wilson's own version....not by any other eye witness accounts....

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg
M.Brown was a Walking Death Wish
look at him here robbing a store

[Niamh.]

http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif The dumbass that wrote on twitter "black people we don't care about you go "bach" to Africa we never should have bought you" has been fired. http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif The dumbass had her employment place on facebook and so many people called there. Lmao stoopid. http://i.imgur.com/zewGW7i.gif

Another one wrote so is this the beginning of planet of the apes?...she's being handled! People tracked the **** out of them, got their work number and they are going to town. http://i.imgur.com/PCSbytY.gif

That's disgusting, I'm glad she got fired, might teach her to think before she says such vile things. People are so brave when they're sitting behind a computer, I'm glad it caught up with her

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg
M.Brown was a Walking Death Wish
look at him here robbing a store

You're still talking about that walking death wish crap?

Look at the footage above. He paid. Which means those pics you are showing could mean anything else? Who knows? Maybe they are having an altercation, which millions of people do on a daily basis. He is huge so to ya'll he would look like the menacing one. But they media are going to stick to the story that he robbed, and people like you that want to believe he was a monster that deserved it will keep believing that the bottom line is that he was robbing.

And by your statement what you are saying is that all kids that rob deserve death. So all those white council kids, all those black council kids, rob cigs, rob drinks, rob snacks you deserve death?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Ferguson Killer Cop Darren Wilson 'Linked to KKK Ghoul Squad'

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-ferguson-killer-cop-darren-wilson-linked-kkk-ghoul-squad-1475953

[arista]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-ferguson-killer-cop-darren-wilson-linked-kkk-ghoul-squad-1475953


Anonymous



Yet again posting crap

[arista]

It was. Here is another people are passing around.

http://i.imgur.com/5xhCsnB.jpg


No Africa does not want them

[arista]

"rob snacks you deserve death?"

Its America
I have been there
its not like here

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Anonymous



Yet again posting crap

And it's coming from a legit news so your point is ****ing invalid. News is only relevant to you when it agrees with your point of view that he's a monster. The youtube clip is also crap to you is it? No all that matters is that he grabbing a little asian man. Lots of people grab and bottle each other on a good night out in Manchester does that label them a walking death wish.

Now that anger is cooling off a little bit this is upsetting. It's like we're taking 20 steps back. There's a facebook post of one of the leaders of the KKK saying that he was checking into the police department in Ferguson, once again showing ties with the department there. KKK are just itching to lynch and murder. Makes me so sad. People keep going on about a black president, please like he makes any decisions. His speech yesterday sounded like a pussy talking. No action or solutions like he's worried to hurt feelings.

[arista]

And it's coming from a legit news so your point is ****ing invalid. News is only relevant to you when it agrees with your point of view that he's a monster. The youtube clip is also crap to you is it? No all that matters is that he grabbing a little asian man. Lots of people grab and bottle each other on a good night out in Manchester does that label them a walking death wish.

Now that anger is cooling off a little bit this is upsetting. It's like we're taking 20 steps back. There's a facebook post of one of the leaders of the KKK saying that he was checking into the police department in Ferguson, once again showing ties with the department there. KKK are just itching to lynch and murder. Makes me so sad. People keep going on about a black president, please like he makes any decisions. His speech yesterday sounded like a pussy talking. No action or solutions like he's worried to hurt feelings.



Point is
Is it FAKE?


Thats all.

[Ninastar]

http://conservativetribune.com/new-autopsy-michael-brown/

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Point is
Is it FAKE?


Thats all.

What is fake? And how do you know all the crap you're posting is not fake? Because you've been told by "legit" sources? Because police or higher authorities have never lied or bent the truth? :conf::conf:#


Since the main news isn't going to post any information that questions what we're being told this is how people choose to release the facts that weren't released. In ways you deem less than.

[arista]

What is fake? And how do you know all the crap you're posting is not fake? Because you've been told by "legit" sources? Because police or higher authorities have never lied or bent the truth? :conf::conf:#


Since the main news isn't going to post any information that questions what we're being told this is how people choose to release the facts that weren't released. In ways you deem less than.



Your KKK photo

on that link

[GiRTh]

http://conservativetribune.com/new-autopsy-michael-brown/Conservative Tribune who's tagline is 'Defending Western Civilization'. Take a look at some of the other articles on that web site particularly the one about Obama intentionally dividing America. Sorry but that is not a credible source.

[GiRTh]

Wo_goMrb8fI

[GiRTh]

SiWSsa-0owgDont agree with all this guys conclusions but at least he's pointing out the inconsistencies in the police story and the outright lies they have told; unlike many who seem to be saying good riddance to a young man they knew little about and had never met.

[GiRTh]

http://time.com/3606168/darren-wilson-photographic-evidence-ferguson-grand-jury-pictures/

Its an absolute joke for the cop to claim that these small injuries made him fear for his life. You get more bruises out on a saturday night than this guy who feared for his life.

ITs astonishing given all the evidence that there was no indictment.

[GiRTh]

The officer says he felt like a five year old hanging onto Hulk Hogan. Darren Wilson and Mike Brown are roughly the same height and size. If he felt so overpowered then the Police force may not be for him.

[arista]

Some of Browns Family
were part of gangs
shouting "Burn The Bitches Down"

and the Cops let them Burn stores down.


The USA President is No Good

[kirklancaster]

http://time.com/3606168/darren-wilson-photographic-evidence-ferguson-grand-jury-pictures/

Its an absolute joke for the cop to claim that these small injuries made him fear for his life. You get more bruises out on a saturday night than this guy who feared for his life.

ITs astonishing given all the evidence that there was no indictment.

I agree - it's pure disgusting whitewash, but I'm not surprised there's been no indictment. Par for the course.

[GiRTh]

Some of Browns Family
were part of gangs
shouting "Burn The Bitches Down"

and the Cops let them Burn stores down.


The USA President is No GoodRelevant how?

[kirklancaster]

The o0fficer says he felt like a five year old hanging onto Hulk Hogan. Darren Wilson and Mike Brown are roughly the same height and size. If he felt so overpowered then the Police force may not be for him.

Where else can he get a 'Licence to Kill'? -- Oh, there's always ISIS.

[arista]

Relevant how?


from the riots this week


The President told the Cops to stay back
local stores destroyed


Be Great once he is out of fecking power

[GypsyGoth]

I don't think the policeman would have shot him unless he felt his life was under threat. Michael Brown was no gentle giant.

[arista]

I don't think the policeman would have shot him unless he felt his life was under threat. Michael Brown was no gentle giant.


Yes the Cop said he was going for his Gun

[GiRTh]

I don't think the policeman would have shot him unless he felt his life was under threat. Michael Brown was no gentle giant.The officers account doenst make sense, he claims Brown started hitting him for no reason, then he claims Brown charged at him but eye witnesses say he was running away and had his hands up and his testimony directly contradicts what the police chief said shortly after the incident.

[GiRTh]

Yes the Cop said he was going for his GunThat cant be true cuz there were no scorch marks on Brown at all and we all know that if you shoot someone at such a short range then there should be gun powder residue on the victim. Autopsy found none. More lies.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Damn if my cousin was killed and the killer was like I have a clear conscience. I would die even more inside.
I hope one day when justice system isn't this corrupt he gets what he deserves.

Respect to his family for demanding peaceful protests. Not sure I would.

[GiRTh]

bCVPMZmQB2UAnother vid pointing out the obvious inconsistencies coming from the police. Its good to see these guys getting so mad. If these people, who didnt even know Brown, can get this irate then imagine how the community feels.

[Ammi]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/15/329739/default/v3/michaelbrownrobbery-1-522x293.jpg
M.Brown was a Walking Death Wish
look at him here robbing a store

...whether he robbed the store or not though..that has nothing to do with him being shot and killed...

[arista]

...whether he robbed the store or not though..that has nothing to do with him being shot and killed...



Shows he was not a Good young man

[kirklancaster]

bCVPMZmQB2UAnother vid pointing out the obvious inconsistencies coming from the police. Its good to see these guys getting so mad. If these people, who didnt even know Brown, can get this irate then imagine how the community feels.

Looking at him, and listening to him, I'll wager this prick couldn't get a job emptying dustbins if he wasn't a cop.

Silence never changed anything. Voices need to be raised in protest if the system is ever going to be cleansed of these rogues.

[Ammi]

..in the hearing, Wilson never mentioned anything about him going for a gun..?..and also if Michael Brown was so close to him for him to feel a threat to his life, how did some of the bullets missed him at such close range...

[kirklancaster]

...whether he robbed the store or not though..that has nothing to do with him being shot and killed...

This.

[GiRTh]

...whether he robbed the store or not though..that has nothing to do with him being shot and killed...Agreed. The cops initially said there was no link to the robbery but that has now changed to Wilson pursued Brown as a suspect in the crime. There are so many inconsistencies from their story now to what they were saying after the incident occurred.

[Kizzy]

'like it was making him mad I was shooting at him' .... :/

[GiRTh]

Shows he was not a Good young manSo all young men who, in your opinion, are not good should be killed?

[Ninastar]

..in the hearing, Wilson never mentioned anything about him going for a gun..?..and also if Michael Brown was so close to him for him to feel a threat to his life, how did some of the bullets missed him at such close range...

because they had a fight over the gun. Michael tried to steal it from him...

[Ninastar]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152687483099769

This guy has a brilliant point...

I agree with everything he said.

[Ammi]

because they had a fight over the gun. Michael tried to steal it from him...

..that was in the car..(if it happened..)..and that's by Wilson's own statement...the fatal shot wasn't fired then, that was later when Michael Brown had left and Wilson followed...

[Ninastar]

Conservative Tribune who's tagline is 'Defending Western Civilization'. Take a look at some of the other articles on that web site particularly the one about Obama intentionally dividing America. Sorry but that is not a credible source.

That is something that's entirely your opinion... There have been countless articles all over saying more or less the same thing

[GiRTh]

That is something that's entirely your opinion... There have been countless articles all over saying more or less the same thingThere have been just as many articles pointing out that there is easily enough evidence for an indictment.

[GiRTh]

because they had a fight over the gun. Michael tried to steal it from him...Thats not consistent with the autopsy.

[Ammi]

That is something that's entirely your opinion... There have been countless articles all over saying more or less the same thing

..I don't think it is just Girth's opinion though Caitlin..I read the article as well and with a statement like this in it, I can't see that it could be seen as 'unbiased' reporting...


As the information coming out of the grand jury investigation seems increasingly to support Officer Wilson’s version of the events of that day, it remains to be seen how the protesters in Ferguson and St. Louis, many of whom are from elsewhere, will respond to the news.

We predict that they’ll either ignore it or claim that the report is another lie from the “white power establishment,” or words to that effect. Like good liberals, they are not interested in truth, science, evidence, or history — unless it supports their agenda.

[GiRTh]

..I don't think it is just Girth's opinion though Caitlin..I read the article as well and with a statement like this in it, I can't see that it could be seen as 'unbiased' reporting...


As the information coming out of the grand jury investigation seems increasingly to support Officer Wilson’s version of the events of that day, it remains to be seen how the protesters in Ferguson and St. Louis, many of whom are from elsewhere, will respond to the news.

We predict that they’ll either ignore it or claim that the report is another lie from the “white power establishment,” or words to that effect. Like good liberals, they are not interested in truth, science, evidence, or history — unless it supports their agenda.:clap1:

[Ninastar]

You can all believe what you like, but with all the evidence that proves he isn't some 'innocent little kid' (as some people still try to say)

There have been 7 or 8 people who are all african americans, who agree with what darren wilson said... They have had to hide their identities for the fear of their safety...

I know what I believe, but you can disagree all you like.

Michael Brown was no 'innocent' teenager...

Did he deserve to die? Probably not, but that's not my decision to make.

But when you are a police officer and you have to deal with life threatening ordeals everyday, I can totally understand why you'd shoot someone as self defence.

[Shaun]

Because people running away are always a matter of self-defence.

[Brother Leon]

because they had a fight over the gun. Michael tried to steal it from him...

Autopsy says otherwise...


It's a simple case of a black life being worth less than any other. Happens way too much now to be anything else and it's ridiculous. It's not just an "only in America" thing either tbh.

[Ammi]

You can all believe what you like, but with all the evidence that proves he isn't some 'innocent little kid' (as some people still try to say)

There have been 7 or 8 people who are all african americans, who agree with what darren wilson said... They have had to hide their identities for the fear of their safety...

I know what I believe, but you can disagree all you like.

Michael Brown was no 'innocent' teenager...

Did he deserve to die? Probably not, but that's not my decision to make.

But when you are a police officer and you have to deal with life threatening ordeals everyday, I can totally understand why you'd shoot someone as self defence.



..the thing that I find hard to believe is that it was in self defence or that Michael Brown was any threat to his safety at all because as he was unarmed, that would have to mean that he was in touching distance so how did he have to shoot him 5 times at that range and then also still miss with some of the shots...it just completely makes no sense at all....

[Ninastar]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/what-the-forensic-evidence-says-about-michael-browns-death/

Here is another article that shows there was a fight over the gun...

As I already mentioned, there are 7 or 8 witnesses who testified against Michael Brown and his friends story... I think it's sad that they are too afraid to say who they are, for the fear of being attacked/murdered/whatever

[GiRTh]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/what-the-forensic-evidence-says-about-michael-browns-death/

Here is another article that shows there was a fight over the gun...

As I already mentioned, there are 7 or 8 witnesses who testified against Michael Brown and his friends story... I think it's sad that they are too afraid to say who they are, for the fear of being attacked/murdered/whateverDont see how that interview reinforces your point. The expert seemed reluctant to come to a conclusion.

[Ammi]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/what-the-forensic-evidence-says-about-michael-browns-death/

Here is another article that shows there was a fight over the gun...

As I already mentioned, there are 7 or 8 witnesses who testified against Michael Brown and his friends story... I think it's sad that they are too afraid to say who they are, for the fear of being attacked/murdered/whatever

..even if there had been a fight over the gun, it wasn't at the time when he was shot and killed though and that's even by Wilson's own testament...so there was no threat to him when he shot Michael Brown...

[GiRTh]

It also doesnt make sense that Brown lunged for the gun. It seems that if he did go for hte gun then it was while the officer was in the car. I dont find it believable that Brown tried to take the gun while the cop was in his car. SO Brown was effectively reaching thru the car window to grab the gun in the cops holster? That sound like bullsh*t to me. I dont find that believable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thankfully justice was done and the area can move on knowing the law was upheld

[GiRTh]

Thankfully justice was done and the area can move on knowing the law was upheldWhat justice was done? Are you saying that Browns execution in the street was justice for the robbery that the police knew nothing about? Your post doesnt make sense.

[SoBig]

So you feel justice wasn't served. So you decide to loot and destroy your own neighborhoods? I'm sorry but how does that make any sense?

[GiRTh]

So you feel justice wasn't served. So you decide to loot and destroy your own neighborhoods? I'm sorry but how does that make any sense?so what do you suggest the community do? The peaceful protests in August were broken up by police in riot gear with weapons that suggested they were going into a war zone. The heavy handed response every time is becoming ridiculous.

[SoBig]

so what do you suggest the community do? The peaceful protests in August were broken up by police in riot gear with weapons that suggested they were going into a war zone. The heavy handed response every time is becoming ridiculous.
So the solution is to act like animals?
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That's some fine logic right there.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

So the solution is to act like animals?
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?v=veLAAROs7bw

That's some fine logic right there.

Well better to act like "animals" towards feeling angry and injustice towards human life than to act like "animals" over pumpkins and lack of beer and over your favourite football team losing.

[Shaun]

Presented without comment...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-ferguson-killer-cop-darren-wilson-linked-kkk-ghoul-squad-1475953

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Piccadly circus has a #handsupdontshoot protest. Other places around the world too. It's touching t see it. Damn I should have known about it before hand I would have gone.

Shout out to Charlie Sheen>>>>>>>pig face Katie Hopkins

[Shaun]

Also interesting: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/25/prosecutor-fundraising-wilson/

All eyes are on Ferguson after the grand jury investigating Officer Darren Wilson’s conduct involving the shooting death of Michael Brown came back with no indictments. This has resulted in new focus on not only the evidence and testimony presented to the grand jury, but to the prosecutor, Robert McCulloch himself. And this focus has revealed a disturbing link between fundraisers tied to each man.

In addition to his duties as the county prosecutor, Robert McCulloch is also the president of The Backstoppers, Inc., an organization used to fundraise for the men and women in uniform in both Missouri and Illinois. And, in August, his organization was affiliated with a t-shirt drive featuring a picture of Missouri and the statement “I SUPPORT OFFICER D. WILSON” which was set up to raise money for the Darren Wilson Defense Fund as well as The Backstoppers.

Backstoppers runs a multitude of fundraising campaigns, but they also directly support the officers they fundraise for. According to their website, within hours of a traumatic experience, Backstoppers offers a variety of help, including:

Assumption of financial obligations (i.e., mortgage payments, automobile payments, credit card debt, loan debt, taxes, insurance, etc.) as funding permits
Health and dental insurance, if needed
Elementary and secondary educational assistance grades K–12 (per child: $2,000 per year public, $4,000 per year private)
College/vocational tuition assistance to spouse/survivors
$1,000 payment to spouse at Christmas
$1,000 U.S. Savings Bonds to surviving children at Christmas and on birthday up to age 21
Miscellaneous assistance as approved by board of directors (i.e., home repairs, unusual medical expenses, etc.)
Financial counseling

This is on top of any other support which Backstoppers will offer. Not all who Backstoppers supports will get all assistance, so it is unknown what, if anything, the organization may have done to assist Officer Wilson. The shirt itself was set up by an anonymous third party, with page links to both entities, creating what may potentially be an inadvertent conflict of interest.

[Kizzy]

Hmmm getting interesting...

[Ammi]

..I'm a huge supporter of the police force in general and the job they do but that doesn't mean that racial profiling doesn't happen or that there aren't people in the force who are 'questionable'..I find it quite worrying that emphasis is placed on 'desensitisation' through things like video games/movies etc and yet a human life can be distinguished in such a way and it can be justified because maybe 'he was no saint', when that's completely irrelevant to having 12 bullets aimed at him and be killed when he did not appear to be any threat at all...

[Shaun]

It's just quite obviously a racial problem when you compare it to the cases of that Dzhokhar kid from the Boston marathon bombings, or the boy who killed all of those movie-goers at the Dark Knight Rises premiere - people who've been known to have been responsible for mass murder, for terrorism, and presumably surrendered in the exact same circumstances, with their hands above their head - maybe even WORSE than Brown's instance because the latter was armed - that not one of the police officers on the scene thought "yeah let's shoot them" or even "hang on, i'm at risk here, i need to take him out". White mass murderers are more valuable alive than suspected black criminals (and can we please stop talking about that 'robbery' - even though there's footage of him actually paying for the cigars - because he wasn't even approached by Wilson for that, he was approached for jaywalking)

I mean I saw footage and news reports about that 12 year old shooting (unrelated to this I know) that actually thought focussing on the kid's father's history of domestic violence was in some way important or the 'angle' of the story. And yet every time a white school shooter is in the news, it's all "oh we had no idea he was disturbed, he seemed so normal, he was a bit of a loner".

[Kizzy]

It's as if his whole life was preempted, even on here there have been posts relating to that as preventing offences in the future way.. it's disgusting how it's almost more acceptable to extinguish a life for fear they are predestined a life of crime than the killing of an innocent...:/

[Ammi]

..I don't know if it's relevant but there is also another story atm of a 3yr old who shot his mum..(and killed her..)..while she was changing his younger sister's diaper...the loaded gun had been left on the sofa and he just picked it up and pulled the trigger presumably...she was an army veteran and it's interesting to see the thoughts of people commenting on the forum I was on/the story was on...completely sympathetic and it is extraordinarily tragic but I can also see that in some situations, maybe another family would have been bombarded with 'hate' and criticism immediately for the stupidity of leaving that loaded gun there....

[arista]

So all young men who, in your opinion, are not good should be killed?



No

Only the ones that try to take the Police Gun
In America , of course

[kirklancaster]

It's just quite obviously a racial problem when you compare it to the cases of that Dzhokhar kid from the Boston marathon bombings, or the boy who killed all of those movie-goers at the Dark Knight Rises premiere - people who've been known to have been responsible for mass murder, for terrorism, and presumably surrendered in the exact same circumstances, with their hands above their head - maybe even WORSE than Brown's instance because the latter was armed - that not one of the police officers on the scene thought "yeah let's shoot them" or even "hang on, i'm at risk here, i need to take him out". White mass murderers are more valuable alive than suspected black criminals (and can we please stop talking about that 'robbery' - even though there's footage of him actually paying for the cigars - because he wasn't even approached by Wilson for that, he was approached for jaywalking)

I mean I saw footage and news reports about that 12 year old shooting (unrelated to this I know) that actually thought focussing on the kid's father's history of domestic violence was in some way important or the 'angle' of the story. And yet every time a white school shooter is in the news, it's all "oh we had no idea he was disturbed, he seemed so normal, he was a bit of a loner".

Totally agree. It is a racially motivated killing.

[GiRTh]

It's just quite obviously a racial problem when you compare it to the cases of that Dzhokhar kid from the Boston marathon bombings, or the boy who killed all of those movie-goers at the Dark Knight Rises premiere - people who've been known to have been responsible for mass murder, for terrorism, and presumably surrendered in the exact same circumstances, with their hands above their head - maybe even WORSE than Brown's instance because the latter was armed - that not one of the police officers on the scene thought "yeah let's shoot them" or even "hang on, i'm at risk here, i need to take him out". White mass murderers are more valuable alive than suspected black criminals (and can we please stop talking about that 'robbery' - even though there's footage of him actually paying for the cigars - because he wasn't even approached by Wilson for that, he was approached for jaywalking)

I mean I saw footage and news reports about that 12 year old shooting (unrelated to this I know) that actually thought focussing on the kid's father's history of domestic violence was in some way important or the 'angle' of the story. And yet every time a white school shooter is in the news, it's all "oh we had no idea he was disturbed, he seemed so normal, he was a bit of a loner".:clap1:

[GiRTh]

_e3n9RSq3KoRudy Giuliani wants to prosecute the witnesses for perjury. This is the piece of sh*t who insisted people donate 9 dollars and 11 cents $9.11c toward his presidential campaign and now he want to put the witnesses is jail.

Fox News at its best.

[Shaun]

“What about the poor black child that was killed by another black child?” Giuliani asked. “Why aren't you protesting that?... Why don't you cut it down so that so many white police officers don't have to be in black areas?”

“When I become mayor, I’ll do that,” replied Dyson, exasperated.

“White police officers wouldn’t be there,” Giuliani said, “if you weren’t killing each other.”

Says it all really. What an ass.

[Shaun]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/be04c37c4a81b0505a9035de55832738/tumblr_nfmz4jGUD91r9futyo1_1280.png

the exact same county, the exact same prosecutor, lol. but it's still not about race, nope

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

For those saying Mike Brown's family home life is relevant to the moment of murder, here is a little fun treat for you about Darren Wilson's home life

EXCLUSIVE: Darren Wilson and the violent confrontation with his wife's ex-lover: Court documents reveal volatile home life of officer who shot Michael Brown - which grand jury never heard about


-Policeman who shot teenager had previously been involved in violent row at his then girlfriend's ex-partner's house
-Wilson was at the home with Barbara Spradling - woman he has now married - when her ex attacked the policeman, and damaged his car
-Incident was just six months before death of Michael Brown and was followed by bitter ongoing custody dispute between wife and her older ex
-Wilson was still married to his first wife during the incident, which resulted in ex being convicted of three misdemeanors
-Grand jury was not told about his turbulent home life while they decided on his actions in shooting Michael Brown
Wilson married Spradling - a fellow officer - shortly before grand jury decision and they are now expecting first child together


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851015/Darren-Wilson-violent-confrontation-wife-s-ex-lover-Court-documents-reveal-volatile-home-life-officer-shot-Michael-Brown-grand-jury-never-told-of.html#ixzz3KKiU5iSP

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

MVzcrSzirrs





I can't believe how much the pig got paid for the interview he did :facepalm:

[Kizzy]

Paid?! ... It reminds me of that guy who shot Trayvon Martin, you would have thought he was a minor celeb afterwards selling his artwork and such, Sickening!

[kirklancaster]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/be04c37c4a81b0505a9035de55832738/tumblr_nfmz4jGUD91r9futyo1_1280.png

the exact same county, the exact same prosecutor, lol. but it's still not about race, nope

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Nedusa]

This thread has a very disturbing racial element to it...




.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/0Sxqf25.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/021nrP2.gif



Retired police officer, Captain Ray Lewis, being arrested in New York City for protesting against police brutality.

"I will not idly stand by while law enforcement is administered only to the poor and the disenfranchised while the rich flaunt their immunity." - Captain Ray Lewis]

[arista]

Officer Wilson has Now Resigned from the Police

Ref : SkyNewsHD and FoxNewsHD

[Kizzy]

More for his own safety than the interest of justice I suspect.

[Shaun]

He must be going through a hard time right now xx

[arista]

More for his own safety than the interest of justice I suspect.


Yes could be part of it.

[arista]

MVzcrSzirrs





I can't believe how much the pig got paid for the interview he did :facepalm:


Sure
but maybe he now needs extra funding

[GiRTh]

Sure
but maybe he now needs extra fundingThe Mayor has announced he's not getting any severance pay , but I thought Wilson did nothing wrong.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/cLXge0q.jpg

New Video Shows Darren Wilson Arresting Man for Filming Him

http://www.newsweek.com/new-video-darren-wilson-arrest-filming-him-284836