why is everyone crying fix?

[Denver]

There has been a rumour that all of them apart from 3 housemates are signed to a agency owned by richard desmond (which i dont believe). If people looked over differnt social media sites helen had alot of support and a campaign for her to win which helped her win.

Also for anyone who thinks it was a fix please complain to ofcom and then lets us know when they tell you there was no fix and helen won fairly.

[Liam-]

People do it every year if their favourite doesn't win, its just an easy way to appease their disappointment, its pretty sad

[JoshBB]

People do it every year if their favourite doesn't win, its just an easy way to appease their disappointment, its pretty sad

this ^

[Alf]

Why are people not crying fix?

I've watched every big brother and this result is the only one that is so unbelievable to get my head around from the evidence in front of me.

There's been a couple of shocks before like Rachel Rice and Ulrika but those two were not nasty pieces of work, I've never seen a housemate so far behind on every single poll not just a little behind but massively. Even when it got to the last two the bookies odds had Ashleigh at 1/4 and Helen at 11/4 and in a two horse race that's a huge difference.

I think there's good reason to be suspicious especially after all the manipulation that has gone with this entire series.

[Denver]

Why are people not crying fix?

I've watched every big brother and this result is the only one that is so unbelievable to get my around from the evidence in front of me.

There's been a couple of shocks before like Rachel Rice and Ulrika but those two were not nasty pieces of work, I've never seen a housemate so far behind on every single poll not just a little behind but massively. Even when it got to the last two the bookies odds had Ashleigh at 1/4 and Helen at 11/4 and in a two horse race that's a huge difference.

I think there's good reason to be suspicious especially after all the manipulation that has gone with this entire series.

If your so sure its a fix why havent you complained to ofcom?

[Alf]

If your so sure its a fix why havent you complained to ofcom?
Because what good would it do? And I've never said I'm sure, just suspicious.

[Denver]

Because what good would it do?

If they fixed the votes they would be heavily fined and the show would probaly be axed but we all know it wasnt a fix its just her fans wanted her to win

[mrflibble]

Is there anyone who is a Helen fan/voted for Helen and thinks it's suspicious? I think there's lots of evidence to justify suspicions and I don't think it has anything to do with not liking the result.

[Denver]

Is there anyone who is a Helen fan/voted for Helen and thinks it's suspicious? I think there's lots of evidence to justify suspicions and I don't think it has anything to do with not liking the result.

Complain to ofcom then helen had the biggest campaign o win show she did exactly that

[CaudleHalbard]

People do it every year if their favourite doesn't win, its just an easy way to appease their disappointment, its pretty sad
This.

It is rather sad. Supposing Pav had won.... you'd hear the screams of "fix" miles away! :D

Helen's win didn't surprise me at all. You could see the way things were going.

[Alf]

If they fixed the votes they would be heavily fined and the show would probaly be axed but we all know it wasnt a fix its just her fans wanted her to win
You made a thread asking a question as to why people think it could be a fix and I gave you an answer, but if we all know it wasn't a fix why did you start this thread in the first place?

[Razor]

They can fix it in other ways other than votes. The last few weeks the show has been heavily biased towards helen, even when the ex housemates came back in they were all helens crew.

Ask your self this if it was a vote to evict would she still be there or won.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think it was a fix.Just a terrible heavily manipulated series.

[Razor]

I don't think it was a fix.Just a terrible heavily manipulated series.

Pretty much one and the same really.

[mrflibble]

Complain to ofcom then helen had the biggest campaign o win show she did exactly that
I'm not complaining to anyone and I don't even live in the UK so I don't care about whatever Ofcom is. All I'm saying is that if you can't see why anyone would think it's a suspicious result then perhaps you're blinded by liking the result - so where are the people who liked the result and can see why it might seem suspicious? You asked why people think it's a fix and I think the evidence is pretty clear about why people would question it. I'm not saying it necessarily IS a fix - just that it looks dodgy - and I don't care whether it's a fix or not, tbh coz I think both scenarios are equally deplorable and I don't want to think about it further.

[chuff me dizzy]

Because sour grapes leave a bitter taste in the mouth

[JoshBB]

I don't think it was a fix.Just a terrible heavily manipulated series.

Definitely manipulated I agree, but not always in Helen's favour.

[LukeB]

i dont think its a fix has it was soooo close it was anyones to be honest, people believe the agent thing is true it could be we don't know? but its deffo not a fix, they should of voted

[tonster76]

realistically, the other finalists weren't that exciting. Ashleigh had a bit of favour, not sure why. Then Chris, Chris Ash and Pav.... all pretty average.

[joeysteele]

People do it every year if their favourite doesn't win, its just an easy way to appease their disappointment, its pretty sad

Spot on.

[Alf]

People do it every year if their favourite doesn't win
I cant agree with that from my point of view, because I think my favorite has only won once in 15 years yet this is the first time I'm bemused by it.

[Northern Monkey]

Definitely manipulated I agree, but not always in Helen's favour.

Yeah i agree there totally.Although the final week was very much pro Helen.But besides that loads of HM's got good edits at certain times depending on who was up for eviction at the time.I don't think the result was fixed,I can understand why people voted for Helen as a back lash to all the Ashleigh love.Still think the series was terrible though.
Waay too much outside information coming in,Ex housemates fgs.Viewer feedback on many occasions and a ridiculous pass,I hope that gets put in the bad ideas never to be repeated drawer.

[Pete.]

If it was a straight out fix Ashleigh would have gone instead of Jale, Danielle instead of Tamara etc.

But I think heavy manipulation on the part of the producers influenced how the series panned out. Take Toya's eviction, then Matthew's and Ashleigh's Power Housemate nom it seemed that if you had an argument then you were sent packing. As for the final, there were a lot of crazed Helen fans, some spending £500 voting for her to win - I don't think it was fixed

[rubymoo]

If it was a straight out fix Ashleigh would have gone instead of Jale, Danielle instead of Tamara etc.

But I think heavy manipulation on the part of the producers influenced how the series panned out. Take Toya's eviction, then Matthew's and Ashleigh's Power Housemate nom it seemed that if you had an argument then you were sent packing. As for the final, there were a lot of crazed Helen fans, some spending £500 voting for her to win - I don't think it was fixed

£500D:

[sampvt]

Because sour grapes leave a bitter taste in the mouth

This should be the last post before closing the thread. Sour grapes sums it up perfectly.

[Josy]

Helen won because she got the most votes.

[Yaki da]

It's simple enough... During a vote to win Helen is just stuck in a secret room and it boosted her popularity as it was designed to do and enough to get her over the finish line in first by 1.2%

Emma/Michelle/Gina/Dexter would have all topped the vote when they were in secret rooms. It boosts a persons popularity.

[Kazanne]

There has been a rumour that all of them apart from 3 housemates are signed to a agency owned by richard desmond (which i dont believe). If people looked over differnt social media sites helen had alot of support and a campaign for her to win which helped her win.

Also for anyone who thinks it was a fix please complain to ofcom and then lets us know when they tell you there was no fix and helen won fairly.

There is no fix,those who think it was ,should have picked the phone up,simple as that.

[sampvt]

It's simple enough... During a vote to win Helen is just stuck in a secret room and it boosted her popularity as it was designed to do and enough to get her over the finish line in first by 1.2%

Emma/Michelle/Gina/Dexter would have all topped the when they were in secret rooms. It boosts a persons popularity.

In your opinion maybe but not in mine. She won because the GBP will never vote the likes of Dermaglen Dottie ever to win BB, end of.

[Yaki da]

In your opinion maybe but not in mine. She won because the GBP will never vote the likes of Dermaglen Dottie ever to win BB, end of.

There was 1.2% between them. And even if people share your opinion on Ashleigh, you're avoiding the point about the court case in which she was meant to look like the hard done by woman and then the secret room which she was just placed in by the production team during a vote to win.

The whole point was to boost her votes in the final week. And it did.

[sampvt]

There was 1.2% between them. And even if people share your opinion on Ashleigh, you're avoiding the point about the court case in which she was meant to look like the hard done by woman and then the secret room which she was just placed in by the production team during a vote to win.

The whole point was to boost her votes in the final week. And it did.

please post proof of the 1.2 thing, we only have bb's word for it and Emma is paid to say what they put on the autocue.

[Yaki da]

please post proof of the 1.2 thing, we only have bb's word for it and Emma is paid to say what they put on the autocue.

So if they released voting figures and it said so you'd still just say it was fake then?

[Liam-]

The thing is, if Ashleigh was put into the secret room, i doubt this conversation would be happening, because that would have been fairer than fair itself.
At the end of the day, Helen won because she had more votes at the end of the night, that is as fair as it gets, people can call fix and speculate all the conspiracy theories under the sun, the person with the most votes wins, this time around, it was Helen, it can't be changed, so why bother arguing over it?

[chuff me dizzy]

Even if it was 0.1 Helen WON accept ,you appear very bitter

[sampvt]

1.2 based on 400,000 votes is pretty big, in fact it represents the size of a small town.

[jet]

In your opinion maybe but not in mine. She won because the GBP will never vote the likes of Dermaglen Dottie ever to win BB, end of.

No, they wouldn't, would they? :smug:

They prefer the Helen's of this world. The next time we'll see her she'll be falling out of a club in Ibiza boozed out of her head. :smug:

[Amy Jade]

Chuff and Liam :worship:

[sampvt]

No, they wouldn't, would they? :smug:

They prefer the Helen's of this world. The next time we'll see her she'll be falling out of a club in Ibiza boozed out of her head. :smug:

Agreed, and she will be spending *******ighs dosh as well eh, lol. Go Helen, enjoy your efforts, it wasn't easy so you deserve it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff and Liam :worship:

Isn't it pathetic ? would you show yourself up shouting FIX because a brat you liked the voting public disliked?

[Ruffle]

She was a bully and most people know this I think there is a culture were it's more trendy to go against popular opinion then campaign set the ball rolling hay presto you have this fun think going were it's less about a deserving winner and more about people will be made lets do it what you really get is the wrong winner plus people saying there is no point to this show anymore it will happen next year it happened last year

[AarynGriesfan]

I cant agree with that from my point of view, because I think my favorite has only won once in 15 years yet this is the first time I'm bemused by it.

Same here my favorite have only won once as well with Kate in bb3. Usually my favorite doesn't even make it to the finals so a 2nd place finish for my favorite is very good. That being said it was quite obvious that the producers agenda the last couple weeks was to push for a Helen victory. Now I certainly don't think they messed with the votes at all because they would get in major trouble if they got caught doing that so it definitely wouldn't be worth the risk. I don't know why they would want Helen as the winner though as I think it makes the show look bad so that part is a little confusing but they certainly wouldn't be first big brother to try and manipulate the results it happens in bbus all the time. BBUS will manipulate the comps or give the most liked person a special power but they would never do it for some one like Helen so I'll never get that part of it but oh well whatever I guess.

[Cold Sweat]

Complain to ofcom then helen had the biggest campaign o win show she did exactly that

Did Helen have the biggest support campaign before the fake eviction twist?

[Jules2]

No sour grapes just a pass to the final, possibly no fix but a very unfair advantage. This has never ever been done before and people have the right to question it.

[Amy Jade]

Isn't it pathetic ? would you show yourself up shouting FIX because a brat you liked the voting public disliked?

It's just as bad on DS and twitter, people screaming fix and manipulative editing.

Let's not forget how badly Helen was shown to be at times too, they were all edited badly at times but Helen came through in the final few weeks, she stayed true to herself but made an effort to not be so confrontational and mouthy and people love a journey. She won fair and square.

[rionablue]

The way I see it is this and I could of course be wrong : Helen never faced a public vote as she had a pass to the final. Yes, the eviction crowd booed a bit for her from time to time even if she wasn't up, Yes for the most part in these forums she was disliked or hated but lets ask ourselves what EVIDENCE did we have that the general British Public, those who pick up their phones and vote didn't like Helen? Maybe many of them thought she was on a journey and came out a much better person? Many some of them felt sorry for her? Maybe many of the people who disliked the outsiders wanted one of the cool gang to win and seeing that it was only Helen and Ashleigh in the final two they voted for Helen.

Lets also remember that fans of Helens gang who had all been evicted would be more likely to vote for Helen than Ashleigh who had always had a problem with her and visa versa. I don't think its a fix I think we are all just very very surprised she won over the golden goddess. I for one of course am glad as I never ever wanted Ashleigh to win. Just my opinions of course

[Pete.]

The word bitter and :pat: are the two worst things that came out of this BB

[Dia]

There was an OK! Magazine commercial that had Helen, Mark, and some D-listers in it. That commercial must have been filmed before they went in the house because it was shown during the breaks in the HL show/BOTS. When I first saw them in the commercial, I just thought it was kind of random, but it makes sense after reading this post:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/topic-260966-something-everyone-should-know_big-brother-15-summer-2014.htm

Richard Desmond owns Northern & Shell
Northern & Shell publishes OK! and owns Channel 5

[Mick]

I do not think BB fixed the result but as mentioned elsewhere well organized betting syndicates may have played a part.That 50/1 would have made the economics and risk of the coup worthwhile.

If correct this is not on Helen.

[joeysteele]

The way I see it is this and I could of course be wrong : Helen never faced a public vote as she had a pass to the final. Yes, the eviction crowd booed a bit for her from time to time even if she wasn't up, Yes for the most part in these forums she was disliked or hated but lets ask ourselves what EVIDENCE did we have that the general British Public, those who pick up their phones and vote didn't like Helen? Maybe many of them thought she was on a journey and came out a much better person? Many some of them felt sorry for her? Maybe many of the people who disliked the outsiders wanted one of the cool gang to win and seeing that it was only Helen and Ashleigh in the final two they voted for Helen.

Lets also remember that fans of Helens gang who had all been evicted would be more likely to vote for Helen than Ashleigh who had always had a problem with her and visa versa. I don't think its a fix I think we are all just very very surprised she won over the golden goddess. I for one of course am glad as I never ever wanted Ashleigh to win. Just my opinions of course

You have made many great posts this BB series and above is yet another.
I agree with all you say.

I also could believe the fake eviction twist was not originally intended to be of any benefit to Helen at all.
After all the then power housemates were not asked to evict 2 of their number,only one,.
Before they were asked to evict a housemate BB had already selected Helen to be the one to go first.

I think, they hoped Helen watching Ashleigh again from another room would have had Helen come back into the house absolutely fuming at her.
It backfired on BB if that was the case and that seems far more logical to me than actually wanting to edit Helen in a good way as to their original plan.

[Denver]

There was an OK! Magazine commercial that had Helen, Mark, and some D-listers in it. That commercial must have been filmed before they went in the house because it was shown during the breaks in the HL show/BOTS. When I first saw them in the commercial, I just thought it was kind of random, but it makes sense after reading this post:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/topic-260966-something-everyone-should-know_big-brother-15-summer-2014.htm

Richard Desmond owns Northern & Shell
Northern & Shell publishes OK! and owns Channel 5

Every year housemate film commercials for ok!

[Ammi]

..I agree with both Riona and Joey...I have been an Ashleigh fan almost from the beginning/although not necessarily my favourite as such, just of the two females..?...but I think that when BB put Helen into the secret room they were hoping for 'typical behaviour patterns' from both of them...Ashleigh to discuss Helen critically/bitch etc and then the reaction of rage from Helen...personally I think it would be natural to discuss a housemate you've really not connected at all with once they had left the house but that aside...unfortunately for Ashleigh she did fall into 'typical behaviour' and the bitching happened but Helen did not, she completely denied BB what they had hoped for...in a way, it wasn't so much a victory over Ashleigh, which I won't take away from her and her fans for that but more a victory over BB who have manipulated and nurtured this 'feud' throughout and given very little of either their 'good balance' or of other housemates.....


....that would only be on the last few days though and I'm sure voting in her favour wasn't only that but maybe helped and she showed a 'maturity'....but then Ashleigh is ONLY EIGHTEEN YRS...:wink:..:laugh:....but yeah, no fixes/just final out manoeuvring....

[Cherie]

I don't think it was a fix.Just a terrible heavily manipulated series.

Join that up with fickle voters and you have got yourself a winner, why was live feed pulled completely for this series but back for CBB? I don't believe it was fixed in voting terms, but in the edit, the pass to the final, the secret eviction andI feel she was advised to make up with Ashleigh.

[rionablue]

You have made many great posts this BB series and above is yet another.
I agree with all you say.

I also could believe the fake eviction twist was not originally intended to be of any benefit to Helen at all.
After all the then power housemates were not asked to evict 2 of their number,only one,.
Before they were asked to evict a housemate BB had already selected Helen to be the one to go first.

I think, they hoped Helen watching Ashleigh again from another room would have had Helen come back into the house absolutely fuming at her.
It backfired on BB if that was the case and that seems far more logical to me than actually wanting to edit Helen in a good way as to their original plan.

Thank you Joey :blush:

[Jules2]

You have made many great posts this BB series and above is yet another.
I agree with all you say.

I also could believe the fake eviction twist was not originally intended to be of any benefit to Helen at all.
After all the then power housemates were not asked to evict 2 of their number,only one,.
Before they were asked to evict a housemate BB had already selected Helen to be the one to go first.

I think, they hoped Helen watching Ashleigh again from another room would have had Helen come back into the house absolutely fuming at her.
It backfired on BB if that was the case and that seems far more logical to me than actually wanting to edit Helen in a good way as to their original plan.

With the fake eviction plan, Helen was chosen to go in first. Why wasnt there anything shown re Ash and Pav talking? It was all Ashleigh and Christopher. I am sure that Ash and Pav were having a good old chat re Chris. The three of them had all sat and downed, after all this time, Chris'
friendship with Ashleigh, doubting the age difference. Load of poppycock. They were trying to make it bad for Chris. Why wasnt any of it shown, they concentrated on Christopher and Ashleigh, thus making it bad for Ashleigh nothing at all was shown re Pav and Ash......Everything centred around the two girls, the rest could go to pot.

[Northern Monkey]

Join that up with fickle voters and you have got yourself a winner, why was live feed pulled completely for this series but back for CBB? I don't believe it was fixed in voting terms, but in the edit, the pass to the final, the secret eviction andI feel she was advised to make up with Ashleigh.

I fully agree here.

[Tom4784]

I wouldn't say it was a fix but BB did their best via edits and tasks to ensure Helen's victory.

[Fendertele]

Helen has to live with winning BB 2014, I do not think it will be a happy win for her when reality kicks in, she is now open to all sorts of media and public love?/hate?, no money in the world can bring comfort to that sort of exposure.... for whatever reason, she won, let her have her moment....

[Kizzy]

Well ... we've had a few anit-heros get very far or win recently (dexter, jim and denise) so it's no surprise.
It's not a fix.

[Tom4784]

Helen isn't comparable to Dexter or Denise, Dexter was a gameplayer and Denise was a mess but neither of them were bullies. She isn't an anti-hero, she was just a bully that happened to be the chosen one for this season.

[Alf]

Just like a FIFA ballot, it wasn't a fix.

[Jackie]

HELEN WOODS AGENT WIKIPEDIA is Richard Desmond he is part owner Channel 5 now we know why the show has been made into the Helen show (Richard Clive Desmond) (born 8 December 1951) is an English publisher and businessman. He is the owner of Express Newspapers and founder of Northern & Shell, which publishes various celebrity magazines, such as OK! and New!, and British national newspapers Daily Star and Daily Express. Northern & Shell also owns British television network CHANNELL 5 as well as Portland TV[3] which, in turn, owns the adult TV channels Television.... it was fixed for her to win from the start...

[Denver]

HELEN WOODS AGENT WIKIPEDIA is Richard Desmond he is part owner Channel 5 now we know why the show has been made into the Helen show (Richard Clive Desmond) (born 8 December 1951) is an English publisher and businessman. He is the owner of Express Newspapers and founder of Northern & Shell, which publishes various celebrity magazines, such as OK! and New!, and British national newspapers Daily Star and Daily Express. Northern & Shell also owns British television network CHANNELL 5 as well as Portland TV[3] which, in turn, owns the adult TV channels Television.... it was fixed for her to win from the start...

Anybody can alter wiki

[flamingGalah!]

The votes may not have been fixed, but everything else was... They wanted Helen to win right from the start, the very fact that she was in the civilian BB & not Celeb BB was because of the World Cup (her shagging Rooney)... The pass to the final, the manipulation, the letting her off with countless warnings, the favourable edits & then creating scenarios to win the gullible public round by thinking she has been on a "journey" & has changed...

That is why it is a "fix".

*Oh & no sour grapes from me as I didn't want anyone in particular to win, the house was full of awful people & I stopped watching weeks ago...