Is Helen the Male Version of Conor?

[Pronshi]

Okay I was an Ashleigh/Christopher with probably Irish bias-ness.
I am over Helen winning, it was not fixed, she won fair and square as much as I loathed her and LOVED Ashleigh.

But in all seriousness is Helen not just the female version of Conor.
I am sure as much as I hated Conor he probably would have came close to victory in the final.

[Pete.]

No Conor was racist and scum

[Pronshi]

No Conor was racist and scum

To be fair, Helen mocked Irish accents a fair amount of times.
When Conor did that with an Indian accent there was a backlash.
So why is it fair to demonize him and not her for being racist?

[Josy]

No.

[the truth]

if any man behaved like helen with 20 warnings hed have been booted months ago

[Denver]

if any man behaved like helen with 20 warnings hed have been booted months ago

God she still recieving warnings :conf: please provide us all with actual proof of the 20 warnings

[flamingGalah!]

She's worse than Conor...

[Kizzy]

No.

[Firewire]

Absolutely not

[Samm]

No, Helen has said sorry for what she done

Conor was just a sexist uneducated chav pig :)

[the truth]

No, Helen has said sorry for what she done

Conor was just a sexist uneducated chav pig :)

sorry is a meaningless word, especially when theres endless warnings and abuse

[Pronshi]

No, Helen has said sorry for what she done

Conor was just a sexist uneducated chav pig :)

Really and Helen isn't that?

[Josy]

Really and Helen isn't that?

Well no she isn't. She isn't under educated and she isn't a chav.

[the truth]

Well no she isn't. She isn't under educated and she isn't a chav.

that makes some of her bahavour even less forgiveable

[Pronshi]

Well no she isn't. She isn't under educated and she isn't a chav.

Pretty sure she is a chav now, from what I read up on english lingo and stuff I am 110% she is a chav.

[Lostie!]

Okay I was an Ashleigh/Christopher with probably Irish bias-ness.
I am over Helen winning, it was not fixed, she won fair and square as much as I loathed her and LOVED Ashleigh.

But in all seriousness is Helen not just the female version of Conor.
I am sure as much as I hated Conor he probably would have came close to victory in the final.

I personally doubt it. In the last public vote he faced, he pulled less votes than Sara, Adam, Deana and Luke A.

If Luke S took the money and Conor had the finale spot, I can't see him doing better than fourth (at best).

[Black Dagger]

She's worse than Conor...

Just no

[Denver]

Pretty sure she is a chav now, from what I read up on english lingo and stuff I am 110% she is a chav.

She doesnt go around in sports gear drinking a cheap bottle of cider

[Pronshi]

Everyone seems to be ignoring my point calling Conor a racist.
There is NO DOUBT Conor is a racist pig!

But why is it fair for Helen to do what Conor did only instead of Indians it's Irish. It seems people think it's no longer racist if colour isn't involved.

[Firewire]

screaming at people thinking she's worse than conor

[Kazanne]

that makes some of her bahavour even less forgiveable

It's not our business to 'forgive' her,lol ,it's for those closest to her and those she has wronged.

[Pronshi]

She doesnt go around in sports gear drinking a cheap bottle of cider

She spent half her time in that house intoxicated.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed and violent.

[Firewire]

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed a violent.

she owns a Salon... pretty sure she doesn't like in a council house

NEXT

[the truth]

It's not our business to 'forgive' her,lol ,it's for those closest to her and those she has wronged.

what?

shes from a tidy background , so she cant play the uneducated poor me card....she has no excuse for some of her revolting behaviour

[Pronshi]

she owns a Salon... pretty sure she doesn't like in a council house

NEXT

She mentioned twice in the house living in a council house earlier in life.
Next she had nothing but intimidating behaviour and bullied housemates.
I am pretty sure had she not being in the house she would have been violent. Look at Charlie from BB10.

[Firewire]

She mentioned twice in the house living in a council house earlier in life.
Next she had nothing but intimidating behaviour and bullied housemates.
I am pretty sure had she not being in the house she would have been violent. Look at Charlie from BB10.

Pretty sure many people live in council houses in their earlier life but she's established a career, also you need to stop the idea of someone being a bad person for living in a council house... It's wrong and unfair

i'm not even gonna comment on the rest of that

[Pronshi]

Pretty sure many people live in council houses in their earlier life but she's established a career, also you need to stop the idea of someone being a bad person for living in a council house... It's wrong and unfair

i'm not even gonna comment on the rest of that

Because you know you are wrong... :joker:

[Lostie!]

Everyone seems to be ignoring my point calling Conor a racist.
There is NO DOUBT Conor is a racist pig!

But why is it fair for Helen to do what Conor did only instead of Indians it's Irish. It seems people think it's no longer racist if colour isn't involved.

Technically, if she had a problem with white Irish people on the basis that they're Irish, it wouldn't be racism. It would, however, be xenophobia, which is along the same general lines.

I say IF because I have no idea if Helen has a problem with Irish people.

It's not our business to 'forgive' her,lol ,it's for those closest to her and those she has wronged.

Actually, if you enter a show with a public vote and hope to win after behaving in a bad way, it is important for some viewers to "forgive" you.

She doesnt go around in sports gear drinking a cheap bottle of cider

That's quite a stereotypical image of a chav.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed a violent.

I'm not sure why council housing has to be brought into it.

[Firewire]

Because you know you are wrong... :joker:

If I knew I was wrong I wouldn't have argued with you in the first place :pat:

[Liam-]

She spent half her time in that house intoxicated.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed and violent.

Living in a council house doesn't make someone a chav :nono:

[Pronshi]

I'm not sure why council housing has to be brought into it.

That's what Chav means... I'm Irish I use the word smick. But chav by YOUR English definition is "Council Housed And Violent"
Not my words.

Ashleigh my favourite housemate is from a council estate, I am not using that to bash people. I am saying people are wrong using that word saying Helen isn't when CLEARLY she is.

[Jack_]

She spent half her time in that house intoxicated.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed and violent.

A chav is a term coined by the media to lump, label and stereotype working class people as all being a part of a culture which is violent, workshy and ridden with alcoholism and drug abuse. It's demonising and demeaning and has been made popular by politicians and the elite alike in an attempt to trample on those who are deprived of the most and lack the necessary means to better themselves

Can people please stop throwing this term around it's offensive and ignorant

[Pronshi]

If I knew I was wrong I wouldn't have argued with you in the first place :pat:

Then if you are right, prove me right. Life is all about perception.
Show me the error of my ways if you are right.
Instead of looking at my point then saying "Oh I just can't even read that"

If you wanna be right, show your right. Stop pussy footing around it.
Make your Queen Helen proud! :cheer2:

[Firewire]

Then if you are right, prove me right. Life is all about perception.
Show me the error of my ways if you are right.
Instead of looking at my point then saying "Oh I just can't even read that"

If you wanna be right, show your right. Stop pussy footing around it.
Make your Queen Helen proud! :cheer2:

She isn't my Queen though

[Pronshi]

A chav is a term coined by the media to lump, label and stereotype working class people as all being a part of a culture which is violent, workshy and ridden with alcoholism and drug abuse. It's demonising and demeaning and has been made popular by politicians and the elite alike in an attempt to trample on those who are deprived of the most and lack the necessary means to better themselves

Can people please stop throwing this term around it's offensive and ignorant

I was not the first to use that word... if you would see bothered to read the thread...
You would see Sam used it.

[Pronshi]

She isn't my Queen though

That is all you have to say?
I am assuming I am right then.

[Kazanne]

She spent half her time in that house intoxicated.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed and violent.

She didn't live in a council house,and from what I have seen ,some people in 'council' houses are no more violent than anyone else and their houses are lovely!!!

[Firewire]

That is all you have to say?
I am assuming I am right then.

I have nothing to say because I'm not arguing with someone as ignorant as you who will throw around the term chav and use it as an insult towards someone who doesn't even remotely represent the definition of the word...

[Pronshi]

she didn't live in a council house,and from what i have seen ,some people in 'council' houses are no more violent than anyone else and their houses are lovely!!!

read the thread.

[Pronshi]

I have nothing to say because I'm not arguing with someone as ignorant as you who will throw around the term chav and use it as an insult towards someone who doesn't even remotely represent the definition of the word...

Bye then. x

[Firewire]

Bye then. x

:pat:

[Jack_]

I was not the first to use that word... if you would see bothered to read the thread...
You would see Sam used it.

I quoted you because you attempted to define what a chav was, I was correcting you

I know other people have used it, hence why I said 'can people please stop throwing this term around'

[Pronshi]

This is all I can think of. How any of you can defend that.

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[Pronshi]

I quoted you because you attempted to define what a chav was, I was correcting you

I know other people have used it, hence why I said 'can people please stop throwing this term around'

I didn't attempt. I did define.

[Brother Leon]

Two great HMs that gave us plenty to discuss and were leaders of the better group.

Comparisons stop there though.

[Samm]

I was not the first to use that word... if you would see bothered to read the thread...
You would see Sam used it.

I didn't say it about Helen, I said it about Conor

[Pronshi]

I didn't say it about Helen, I said it about Conor

I know. I said you were the first to use the word "chav."
The member was annoyed at us using the term completely.
But yes you were spot on anyway. :joker:

[Marsh.]

I didn't attempt. I did define.

Chavs are people who live in council houses? No, that's not the definition.

[rionablue]

Helen shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Conor. Conor was possibly the worse vilest housemate of all time. Helen had many faults but she began to mellow and did say that she was sorry for what she did and try to make amends with Ashleigh.

[Jack_]

I didn't attempt. I did define.

No, you think you defined it but you didn't. You attempted to by wheeling out a popular misconception and as such got it wrong. Do some reading and then you'll understand why my explanation is correct

[the truth]

A chav is a term coined by the media to lump, label and stereotype working class people as all being a part of a culture which is violent, workshy and ridden with alcoholism and drug abuse. It's demonising and demeaning and has been made popular by politicians and the elite alike in an attempt to trample on those who are deprived of the most and lack the necessary means to better themselves

Can people please stop throwing this term around it's offensive and ignorant

wrong. It's more aimed at the lazy workless underclass.

[waterhog]

the fact she stayed and done nothing sneaky and was herself all the way through shows she had bigger ???? then connor would ever have as he was one sly slippery dog.

[GiRTh]

She's worse.

[karezza]

Ashleigh is the female version of rancid Conor.

:rant:

[Firewire]

I just realised the title says "Is Helen the MALE version of Conor?" flop from the OP

[LukeB]

conor :flutter:

[Pronshi]

please leave this forum

Coming someone who loves Helen... :hehe:
Also why are you back on the thread thought you can't deal with it?

[Firewire]

Coming someone who loves Helen... :hehe:

it was clearly a joke lmao

[Firewire]

Also why are you back on the thread thought you can't deal with it?

did i say that

[Pronshi]

No, you think you defined it but you didn't. You attempted to by wheeling out a popular misconception and as such got it wrong. Do some reading and then you'll understand why my explanation is correct

I'm from Ireland I'm not a genius with English lingo but even a quick google search will show you it means what I said.

[Pronshi]

did i say that

I have nothing to say because I'm not arguing with someone as ignorant as you who will throw around the term chav and use it as an insult towards someone who doesn't even remotely represent the definition of the word...

You can't deal with it. Someone not agreeing with the majority of the forums clearly. People disagree with Helen and you all go into defensive mode.
Funny thing is I like Helen as entertainment value just as I did for Conor, but when it comes down to it, she is a horrible person just as he was.

[user104658]

Well no she isn't. She isn't under educated and she isn't a chav.

:joker: ohhh come on, even Helen fans must know that she is both of these things and love her anyway? Surely?

She... really is undereducated. She left school at 16 (the very defnition of undereducated, surely?) and, having seen some of her pre-BB facebook statuses etc., she's bordering on illiterate. I think even Helen HERSELF would admit that she didn't get much of an education.

To know that she's a chav you really only need eyes. No, scratch that... ears.


In answer to the OP's topic... yeah... Helen and Conor are two sides of one ignorant, loud-mouthed coin. Note that Conor was also very loyal to and defensive of his friends... and also not shy about speaking his mind... two things that people have celebrated in Helen :whistle:

[Pronshi]

:joker: ohhh come on, even Helen fans must know that she is both of these things and love her anyway? Surely?

She... really is undereducated. She left school at 16 (the very defnition of undereducated, surely?) and, having seen some of her pre-BB facebook statuses etc., she's bordering on illiterate. I think even Helen HERSELF would admit that she didn't get much of an education.

To know that she's a chav you really only need eyes. No, scratch that... ears.

What are you doing!? They will kill you for talking bad of Helen!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/10/103ae317aacb5e55671933f62411b5fc686ab5f5b7f78ec00b 8e77ffb8fd63af.jpg

[Josy]

:joker: ohhh come on, even Helen fans must know that she is both of these things and love her anyway? Surely?

She... really is undereducated. She left school at 16 (the very defnition of undereducated, surely?) and, having seen some of her pre-BB facebook statuses etc., she's bordering on illiterate. I think even Helen HERSELF would admit that she didn't get much of an education.

To know that she's a chav you really only need eyes. No, scratch that... ears.

I'm not a Helen fan.

She returned to continue her studies once her kid was a few months old.

She was never brought up living in council housing which is where the word Chav comes from.

[LukeB]

I'm not a Helen fan.

She returned to continue her studies once her kid was a few months old.

She was never brought up living in council housing which is where the word Chav comes from.

:shrug: what do you mean? is this abit stereotyping

[Josy]

:shrug: what do you mean? is this abit stereotyping

No not at all? You clearly don't know what the word chav stands for.....

[user104658]

I'm not a Helen fan.

She returned to continue her studies once her kid was a few months old.

She was never brought up living in council housing which is where the word Chav comes from.

Nah, the "council housed and violent" thing was invented to fit the word after it had been in use for ages, council housing has nothing to do with chavviness. A lot of chavs actually do pretty well for themselves (50k+ incomes), usually in trades / building etc.

Boy Racers are (all) chavs... many of them have cars worth 20k+ and often they'll be in trade apprenticeships and will end up doing pretty well for themselves financially.

Money doesn't really come into it... in fact... some of the chavviest clothes / "bling" / gadgets etc. are effing EXPENSIVE!


Now... I'm aware that Helen grew up in a middle class household... but, I feel it's important to point out that there are LOTS of chavs born of middle class parents. It's a strange phenomenon, but not an uncommon one.

[LukeB]

No not at all? You clearly don't know what the word chav stands for.....

i do, but not all chavs are from council houses, and not everyone from a council house is a chav, they could live in a big house, and speak like this

"itz a mad ting bruv" and wear tracksuits everyday and blast ghetto music on the bus and in the street

[Firewire]

You can't deal with it. Someone not agreeing with the majority of the forums clearly. People disagree with Helen and you all go into defensive mode.
Funny thing is I like Helen as entertainment value just as I did for Conor, but when it comes down to it, she is a horrible person just as he was.

I had nothing to say to you about your earlier comments, don't try and force me out a thread... it's a debate

And they're nothing alike

[LukeB]

[2]

:idc:

[Josy]

Nah, the "council housed and violent" thing was invented to fit the word after it had been in use for ages, council housing has nothing to do with chavviness. A lot of chavs actually do pretty well for themselves (50k+ incomes), usually in trades / building etc.

Boy Racers are (all) chavs... many of them have cars worth 20k+ and often they'll be in trade apprenticeships and will end up doing pretty well for themselves financially.

Money doesn't really come into it... in fact... some of the chavviest clothes / "bling" / gadgets etc. are effing EXPENSIVE!


Now... I'm aware that Helen grew up in a middle class household... but, I feel it's important to point out that there are LOTS of chavs born of middle class parents. It's a strange phenomenon, but not an uncommon one.

So which of these stereotypical descriptions does Helen fall into?





i do, but not all chavs are from council houses, and not everyone from a council house is a chav, they could live in a big house, and speak like this

"itz a mad ting bruv" and wear tracksuits everyday and blast ghetto music on the bus and in the street

[joeysteele]

A chav is a term coined by the media to lump, label and stereotype working class people as all being a part of a culture which is violent, workshy and ridden with alcoholism and drug abuse. It's demonising and demeaning and has been made popular by politicians and the elite alike in an attempt to trample on those who are deprived of the most and lack the necessary means to better themselves

Can people please stop throwing this term around it's offensive and ignorant

I just looked into this thread and groaned really until I saw your post which is an excellent one as ever.
Really well said Jack_ again.

[LukeB]

So which of these stereotypical descriptions does Helen fall into?

none, she doesnt look like this
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1893889556/chav.jpg

[Josy]

none, she doesnt look like this
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1893889556/chav.jpg

So you agree she isn't a chav then....

[user104658]

No not at all? You clearly don't know what the word chav stands for.....

"Chav" comes from "Charva", a Geordie word, shortened to "Charv", became "chav" as the colloquial use spread south, then stayed "chav" when it bounced back up across the country after hitting London.

It has nothing to do with Council Housing. In fact, in my experience, as I said above it usually describes the "skilled working class" who DO have money. Tradies, salon workers / owners, etc. . The class system, if it still really exists, is an odd thing. Most of the skilled working class make much more money than the lower-middle class (management roles, administrative roles, teaching, blue-collar type things). They're still more "common", use more colloquial language... are more... err... "Heleny".

[LukeB]

So you agree she isn't a chav then....

no she isn't i don't know why she is branded a chav

[Josy]

"Chav" comes from "Charva", a Geordie word, shortened to "Charv", became "chav" as the colloquial use spread south, then stayed "chav" when it bounced back up across the country after hitting London.

It has nothing to do with Council Housing. In fact, in my experience, as I said above it usually describes the "skilled working class" who DO have money. Tradies, salon workers / owners, etc. . The class system, if it still really exists, is an odd thing. Most of the skilled working class make much more money than the lower-middle class (management roles, administrative roles, teaching, blue-collar type things). They're still more "common", use more colloquial language... are more... err... "Heleny".

I know what the word means and I disagree with a lot of your post about who is described as a chav.

I know who its normally applied to where I'm from and Helen doesn't fall into any if those categories.

[user104658]

I know what the word means and I disagree with a lot of your post about who is described as a chav.

I know who its normally applied to where I'm from and Helen doesn't fall into any if those categories.

I guess it's just different definitions then, for me she falls squarely into the definition. What other people are describing are what I'd have called the classic "Ned", and it's important to remember that "Chavs" and "Neds" - whilst having some common characteristics - are not the same thing.

[Pronshi]

I had nothing to say to you about your earlier comments, don't try and force me out a thread... it's a debate

And they're nothing alike

http://www.whydidigowrong.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/big-brother-9-dennis-mchugh-removed.jpg

Oh god the attention whoring coming from you is ridiculous.
Next you will tell me this guy is a little angel and so misunderstood. :pat:

[Pronshi]

Maybe it all comes down to me not liking people with 2 syllable names.
Helen and Tyler. I can't go near people like that i'll catch poor.

[Firewire]

http://www.whydidigowrong.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/big-brother-9-dennis-mchugh-removed.jpg

Oh god the attention whoring coming from you is ridiculous.
Next you will tell me this guy is a little angel and so misunderstood. :pat:

well he spat in Mohamed's face so he isn't an angel

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[Pronshi]

well he spat in Mohamed's face so he isn't an angel

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See I thought with me being ignorant and politically incorrect and me not liking him you probably would love him.

[Firewire]

See I thought with me being ignorant and politically incorrect and me not liking him you probably would love him.

That's not really how it works...

[puzzled]

So all people who live in Council houses are violent and ignorant? Wow, what a snobby thing to say. God forbid a person should fall on hard times. (Ever hear of Susan Boyle?)

[Pronshi]

So all people who live in Council houses are violent and ignorant? Wow, what a snobby thing to say. God forbid a person should fall on hard times. (Ever hear of Susan Boyle?)

I don't agree with it at all but that is what people define it as.
I think almost most of the UK is in hardtimes. Just ego is something we all have.

[susie q]

You can't deal with it. Someone not agreeing with the majority of the forums clearly. People disagree with Helen and you all go into defensive mode.
Funny thing is I like Helen as entertainment value just as I did for Conor, but when it comes down to it, she is a horrible person just as he was.

Agreed

[jennyjuniper]

Actually she doesn't own it.. A footballer owns it and she just 'manages' it for him!!
As to the question. Helen and Conor are like two peas in a pod. He was loud and foul mouthed, as is she. He bullied his way through the house with his little gang of hangers on, so did she.
He walked off with prize money he didn't deserve, so did she.....

[jennyjuniper]

Oh and I forgot to add Conor was a racist and so is she. Read some of her Tweets, they make for uneasy reading, the hate that is directed to fat people, the Irish in fact anyone who gets in her way. The worst comment was that she hoped someone 'would die of cancer and end up sitting in their own s...
Now that's disgusting.

[Cold Sweat]

They do have a common denominator:

arron lowe @Arronloweoffic · Aug 15

Proud of Helen

Con-mans main man loves Helen.

[aj2463]

nope! not at all! Conor and his "gang" targeted one person! Helen just didn't care, she went for anyone, Conor was a bully, Helen's just angry... alot

[user104658]

nope! not at all! Conor and his "gang" targeted one person! Helen just didn't care, she went for anyone, Conor was a bully, Helen's just angry... alot

Hmmmm I don't know, Conor and Co weren't particularly pleasant to Lauren or Luke A either, although Deana was the main target for Conor himself.

But I do agree that Helen isn't really a bully per se. She's just very angry and very stupid. A bad combination :joker:. Although, less dangerous than very angry and very intelligent...

So no, she was nowhere near as bad as conor. I think Helen just is what she is (which is NOT a complement... What she is isnt very pleasant) whereas Conor was actually quite sly and knowingly nasty.

Helen is also an equal opportunities aggressor. Let her off the leash and she'll start nipping anyone's ankles. Conor picked his battles and picked on who he thought was weak. He picked on Luke A and Lauren but steered well clear of confrontation with Adam, because he couldn't be physically intimidating. He also vocally attacked Deana until she started biting back, as soon as she did, he switched from being aggressive to "passive" and pretended she wasn't there then commented once she was out of earshot.

Yeah... Conor was a classic bully. Writing this out has actually just reminded me how much I despised him. Helen's an endearing little yappy puppy in comparison.

[Pronshi]

Oh and I forgot to add Conor was a racist and so is she. Read some of her Tweets, they make for uneasy reading, the hate that is directed to fat people, the Irish in fact anyone who gets in her way. The worst comment was that she hoped someone 'would die of cancer and end up sitting in their own s...
Now that's disgusting.

Thank you!