Why can't we blame Leslie?

[Cherie]

Leslie had a get out of jail card when James offered to go out but he totally ignored him and chose Gary, at least with Frenchy he asked her "will you go"? with Gary he just wanted him out there, no compassion, no kindness (his favourite word), so yes I can blame Leslie! odious man.

[ruiphillips]

Aw, bless. It's a game and Leslie played it wrong.

[Will.]

Imagine being in his situation, Im pretty sure he must have not heard James due to panicking, he had hardly anytime to think and probably just didt know what to do! Plus BB hardly mentioned the least entertaining thing.

[Cherie]

Imagine being in his situation, Im pretty sure he must have not heard James due to panicking, he had hardly anytime to think and probably just didt know what to do! Plus BB hardly mentioned the least entertaining thing.

He is all about the kindness though and being nice etc, Gary was trying to tell him about the compound fracture in his back and he just ignored him! He was never going to be swayed from Gary no matter how much time he was given.

[Ammi]

..he did ask Frenchie but she said no and he ignored her as well..I do think these decisions are made so quickly and maybe not always taking in what other housemates are saying...?...but I'm sure that the fact that he's had issues/altercations with Gary and Frenchie did have a big play in his choice as well....so yeah, he can be 'blamed' I think but not vilified for his choice...I'm not saying that anyone here is but I just can't see many making a different choice than he did if they also had altercations with two housemates just before they were asked to make the choice....I think maybe only Audley may have....

[Will.]

He is all about the kindness though and being nice etc, Gary was trying to tell him about the compound fracture in his back and he just ignored him! He was never going to be swayed from Gary no matter how much time he was given.

I still don't get why he couldn't sleep outside, is because the matress wont be soft enough or something.

[jessicadanielle]

I still don't get why he couldn't sleep outside, is because the matress wont be soft enough or something.

Maybe. Or maybe his back would cease up in the cold? Bit of both?

[Will.]

[QUOTE=jessicadanielle;7198618]Maybe. Or maybe his back would cease up in the cold? Bit of both?[/]

yeah strange! maybe he just uses as a excuse when he perfectly good to sleep outside!

[Cherie]

I still don't get why he couldn't sleep outside, is because the matress wont be soft enough or something.

Did you see live feed Will? there was no bed, they had to sit up on a chaise lounge?

[FlippingEck]

Imagine being in his situation, Im pretty sure he must have not heard James due to panicking, he had hardly anytime to think and probably just didt know what to do! Plus BB hardly mentioned the least entertaining thing.

to be fair, he did hear James and Audley, because he said clearly NO, not you two.. I couldn't do it....

Im sorry but it is a game. Whoever was chosen last night to be SOTS would not have sat there and though who do I think is the least entertaining... it would have been right.. who is getting on my tits.... it's human nature to do that.. They are all there to play the game, all signed up for the same thing, no special treatment, it's tough.

[Cherie]

..he did ask Frenchie but she said no and he ignored her as well..I do think these decisions are made so quickly and maybe not always taking in what other housemates are saying...?...but I'm sure that the fact that he's had issues/altercations with Gary and Frenchie did have a big play in his choice as well....so yeah, he can be 'blamed' I think but not vilified for his choice...I'm not saying that anyone here is but I just can't see many making a different choice than he did if they also had altercations with two housemates just before they were asked to make the choice....I think maybe only Audley may have....

I do think he can be vilified, he kept going on about people being kind, but it only applies to people being kind TO HIM, not HIM being kind to others :laugh:

[Ammi]

.. may have back problems/joint problems or something..?...and it would irritate it in the sleeping position he would be in...hopefully BB will show why he didn't stay there..but I think for me the 'blame' is more with BB for designing a task that wasn't appropriate for all housemates...

[Cherie]

.. may have back problems/joint problems or something..?...and it would irritate it in the sleeping position he would be in...hopefully BB will show why he didn't stay there..but I think for me the 'blame' is more with BB for designing a task that wasn't appropriate for all housemates...

Gary told Leslie he had a compound fracture of his back Ammi, and he was still chosen, what tipped it for me was Leslie saying to him afterwards you should go if you can't do it, you need to leave or similar, Leslie wants him out he doesn't like playing second fiddle with his Emmy to Gary's Oscar. :hehe:

[Ammi]

I do think he can be vilified, he kept going on about people being kind, but it only applies to people being kind TO HIM, not HIM being kind to others :laugh:

..yeah I do understand what you're saying Cherie but I just don't think many would have chosen differently given the recent altercations and issues they'd had so I would have to 'vilify' them all to be fair about it..:laugh:...maybe one or two would but not many I don't feel...I do think the people to be 'vilified' are BB as they set up these situations and they would know if a housemates shouldn't participate for health reasons...

[Jules2]

Aw, bless. It's a game and Leslie played it wrong.

We know it is a game but at the moment it is a nasty game and how long has it been going? Leslie has shown himself to be a nasty little squirt and he has the others in his little finger. James began it, Leslie carries it on and the others are like sheep. As I said, it is a nasty game, conquer and divide and take no prisoners.

[Ammi]

Gary told Leslie he had a compound fracture of his back Ammi, and he was still chosen, what tipped it for me was Leslie saying to him afterwards you should go if you can't do it, you need to leave or similar, Leslie wants him out he doesn't like playing second fiddle with his Emmy to Gary's Oscar. :hehe:

..I'm not sure it's Oscar related, I think that Leslie just hasn't 'forgiven and forgotten' the recent issues...but do these housemates ever even when they say they do..?...:laugh:..

[MrWong]

I do think he can be vilified, he kept going on about people being kind, but it only applies to people being kind TO HIM, not HIM being kind to others :laugh:

Exactly. What he did was incredibly unkind considering he had James and David volunteering to take Gary's place.

[FlippingEck]

I do think he can be vilified, he kept going on about people being kind, but it only applies to people being kind TO HIM, not HIM being kind to others :laugh:

Are you always kind to people you find irritating, hurtful, rude and offensive?

[Will.]

Did you see live feed Will? there was no bed, they had to sit up on a chaise lounge?

There quite comfortable, I've slept on one before and have night epilepsy. The only reason I can see why he refused if he had epilepsy and if you have a fit and fall off then you could potentially die! That's why I have to sleep in a double bed. But maybe if he fell off his back would be messed up.

[Jules2]

to be fair, he did hear James and Audley, because he said clearly NO, not you two.. I couldn't do it....

Im sorry but it is a game. Whoever was chosen last night to be SOTS would not have sat there and though who do I think is the least entertaining... it would have been right.. who is getting on my tits.... it's human nature to do that.. They are all there to play the game, all signed up for the same thing, no special treatment, it's tough.

Special treatment has been given to many of the CBB inmates in past series. Many have been allowed not to take part in tasks because of medical conditions. As these celebs have been sought after by producers or the powers that be, then they should have a code of care.

They like to mix the ages, they know a HMs background. If celebrities with medical conditions are not allowed to take part, then we the viewer will lose out. Many are now elderly with troubles but we enjoy their input and their tales of famous people.

For once in their life they have done the right thing and brought Gary in, I have no doubt though that he will get a lot of flack from the other ignorant HMs. Heaven help them when they get old and have a lot of troubles. What goes around comes around, it may take a while but..............

Let Leslie have his moment, his ego is great but his fall will hurt......

[FlippingEck]

Gary told Leslie he had a compound fracture of his back Ammi, and he was still chosen, what tipped it for me was Leslie saying to him afterwards you should go if you can't do it, you need to leave or similar, Leslie wants him out he doesn't like playing second fiddle with his Emmy to Gary's Oscar. :hehe:

A compound fracture of his back? Hmmm really??? Im no medic but Im pretty sure if he;d have had a compound fracture of his back, that would have almost certainly led to total paralysis..

Oh and Busey was NOMINATED in 1978 for an Oscar.. he didn't win one.. He hasn't won an award since 1980 which was the bafta for the buddy holly story.. Leslie Jordan however won the Primetime Emmy for W&G in 2006.. I doubt Leslie feels intimidated by Busey's massive haul of awards..

[Jules2]

There quite comfortable, I've slept on one before and have night epilepsy. The only eras on I can see why he refused if he had epilepsy and if you have a fit and fall of then you could potentially die! That's why I have to sleep in a double bed.

I have RA and if I am not able to sleep in the right position, I suffer. Gary most likely has some form of arthritus as I believe he had extensive surgery.

[Ammi]

Special treatment has been given to many of the CBB inmates in past series. Many have been allowed not to take part in tasks because of medical conditions. As these celebs have been sought after by producers or the powers that be, then they should have a code of care.

They like to mix the ages, they know a HMs background. If celebrities with medical conditions are not allowed to take part, then we the viewer will lose out. Many are now elderly with troubles but we enjoy their input and their tales of famous people.

For once in their life they have done the right thing and brought Gary in, I have no doubt though that he will get a lot of flack from the other ignorant HMs. Heaven help them when they get old and have a lot of troubles. What goes around comes around, it may take a while but..............

Let Leslie have his moment, his ego is great but his fall will hurt......



..maybe criticism from viewers as well..?..I do think it's great to have varied age housemates and this is a good housemix but I also think that tasks should be designed to fit all so none need to feel 'exempt' in any way...

[Will.]

I have RA and if I am not able to sleep in the right position, I suffer. Gary most likely has some form of arthritus as I believe he had extensive surgery.

Yes probably but he kept saying he has brain surgery, but is that an excuse or maybe if he hit his head it could cause serious damage, I would like to see his medical report.

[Tip]

A compound fracture of his back? Hmmm really??? Im no medic but Im pretty sure if he;d have had a compound fracture of his back, that would have almost certainly led to total paralysis..



If the fracture is due to osteoporosis (not uncommon in the elderly) then often they'll be no spinal cord involvement - so no paralysis.

[Jules2]

A compound fracture of his back? Hmmm really??? Im no medic but Im pretty sure if he;d have had a compound fracture of his back, that would have almost certainly led to total paralysis..

Oh and Busey was NOMINATED in 1978 for an Oscar.. he didn't win one.. He hasn't won an award since 1980 which was the bafta for the buddy holly story.. Leslie Jordan however won the Primetime Emmy for W&G in 2006.. I doubt Leslie feels intimidated by Busey's massive haul of awards..

According to his son in an interview with one of the media, Gary had to learn to walk and talk again after his accident. If you watch Gary's videos you will see him helping a young man who had been in a serious accident, this chappie was being helped to walk slowly, step by step with a large walking frame and a helper alongside him. I believe he had a brain injury, nevertheless Gary was there. His talks are very revealing and tbh I do not think we should doubt the fact that he has been through rather a lot.

As we are not medics, we cannot judge and should not try to.

Tbh also I do not see what difference awards make, it is the man/woman him/herself which counts. Awards mean nothing.....Leslie is just a nasty little man imo.

[Cherie]

Are you always kind to people you find irritating, hurtful, rude and offensive?

No, but then I don't big myself up as being some kind of martyr like Leslie does.

[Cherie]

..I'm not sure it's Oscar related, I think that Leslie just hasn't 'forgiven and forgotten' the recent issues...but do these housemates ever even when they say they do..?...:laugh:..

within hours of going in the house Leslie was in the DR saying Gary had to go, there is an issue there of who is the most famous I think. I think Leslie feels all he has to do is ask Big Brother to remove people and they are gone. :laugh:

[warrenhill]

He is nasty and vindictive...

If everything is not happening around him then hes just has a hissy fit.

I doubt he will be gone soon but hopefully he wont make the final.

[Jules2]

..maybe criticism from viewers as well..?..I do think it's great to have varied age housemates and this is a good housemix but I also think that tasks should be designed to fit all so none need to feel 'exempt' in any way...

I agree Ammi. One thing, at the moment on Oddschecker we have:-

Dee 1st: George 2nd: and then Gary 3rd he has gone from 5th to 3rd, Leslie has gone down to 5th favourite. It is early days yet though and it doesnt always pay to be top from the beginning as they darent slip up...:laugh: It is generally the final two weeks which count, viewers seem to have short memories when it comes to "what happened in the beginning".

[Jules2]

within hours of going in the house Leslie was in the DR saying Gary had to go, there is an issue there of who is the most famous I think. I think Leslie feels all he has to do is ask Big Brother to remove people and they are gone. :laugh:

Imo HMs tend to jump on the bandwagon for their own safety. As they have been paid a fee and there isnt any other prize (?) their main aim has to be to get to the end for recognition. It was a great turn around for Jim Davidson and I cheered. In this case James began the feud over Gary, Leslie carried it on and then they chattered amongst themselves. Just like sheep some will agree even though they dont.

Look at Dee, she ran to Kelly's aid, even though Lauren was already there and she was moreorless told not to, has she done anything to help Gary? She just wants to be the "peacemaker" but only with those she wants to keep in with. I do not dislike her totally but I do not trust her neither. I am just waiting to see who has the empathy to take Gary under their wing. James is two faced as he is making fun of G behind his back, turning everything into a "fight" instead of understanding. Kelly should have more empathy, in a way I saw her remarks of Gary having a game as patronising and making fun of a young child.

If they want to be considered as caring people then they need to take a look at a situation, listen, understand, make the effort and recognise that Gary is a great name amongst society. They all need recognition of some sort so for their own sakes let them think.

[Ammi]

within hours of going in the house Leslie was in the DR saying Gary had to go, there is an issue there of who is the most famous I think. I think Leslie feels all he has to do is ask Big Brother to remove people and they are gone. :laugh:


..I do actually find it funny when he 'demands people out'..:laugh:..he's not one of my favourites atm but just that part of him...HE/SHE HAS TO GO...!!!!....

I agree Ammi. One thing, at the moment on Oddschecker we have:-

Dee 1st: George 2nd: and then Gary 3rd he has gone from 5th to 3rd, Leslie has gone down to 5th favourite. It is early days yet though and it doesnt always pay to be top from the beginning as they darent slip up...:laugh: It is generally the final two weeks which count, viewers seem to have short memories when it comes to "what happened in the beginning".

...a bit off topic but amazing when you think as well of the criticism that Dee has had in the past and especially when it was known she was going into the house from fans and now in a week..she's favourite...:amazed:...who would have thought it....

[Ammi]

Imo HMs tend to jump on the bandwagon for their own safety. As they have been paid a fee and there isnt any other prize (?) their main aim has to be to get to the end for recognition. It was a great turn around for Jim Davidson and I cheered. In this case James began the feud over Gary, Leslie carried it on and then they chattered amongst themselves. Just like sheep some will agree even though they dont.

Look at Dee, she ran to Kelly's aid, even though Lauren was already there and she was moreorless told not to, has she done anything to help Gary? She just wants to be the "peacemaker" but only with those she wants to keep in with. I do not dislike her totally but I do not trust her neither. I am just waiting to see who has the empathy to take Gary under their wing. James is two faced as he is making fun of G behind his back, turning everything into a "fight" instead of understanding. Kelly should have more empathy, in a way I saw her remarks of Gary having a game as patronising and making fun of a young child.

If they want to be considered as caring people then they need to take a look at a situation, listen, understand, make the effort and recognise that Gary is a great name amongst society. They all need recognition of some sort so for their own sakes let them think.

..I think for me and we all judge things differently I know..but with some housemates you can think....hmmmm, was Dee genuine in going to the pod..(I personally think she was but that's just me)...or was James genuine in his offer to take Gary's place..?...or was it to 'look good'...that sort of thing..?..but what I love about Gary is that when he was in the DR discussing Leslie after all the apologies etc...?...he didn't once say anything bad about him and seems to genuinely just want to enjoy his experience and learning about the other housemates and can't understand why these 'hostilities' are happening/is totally baffled..any 'irritations' he causes are purely unintentional and he's such a good soul I think....but that's just my opinion of it though...

[Kizzy]

The question was 'which is the least entertaining HM' not ' who do you have a grievance against' you vindictive little toad.

[jaxie]

Gary Busey died twice and was not thought likely to recover from a serious brain injury. He broke bones. He has had cancer. He is now seventy, partially deaf and I would imagine suffers a fair amount of arthritic pain from old injuries. People who suffer such severe brain injuries are changed forever and subject to erratic behaviours. I can't imagine how anyone could fail to sympathise. I admire him for for being able to stand up and do the day after all that. And he has been dignified in the face of other housemates ignorant rudeness and systematic bullying. His health is fairly common knowledge he gives support to others with brain injuries. Leslie is clearly a self centered compassion less twat with more ego than stature and so are the enablers who voted for him.

[aimat2]

Leslie is evil

[Vanessa]

Gary Busey died twice and was not thought likely to recover from a serious brain injury. He broke bones. He has had cancer. He is now seventy, partially deaf and I would imagine suffers a fair amount of arthritic pain from old injuries. People who suffer such severe brain injuries are changed forever and subject to erratic behaviours. I can't imagine how anyone could fail to sympathise. I admire him for for being able to stand up and do the day after all that. And he has been dignified in the face of other housemates ignorant rudeness and systematic bullying. His health is fairly common knowledge he gives support to others with brain injuries. Leslie is clearly a self centered compassion less twat with more ego than stature and so are the enablers who voted for him.

He also has a 4 year old. How does he do it? :worship:

[JoshBB]

Leslie is to blame imo. He's ignoring everyone who said they don't mind being put out there. James, David, and Audley offered.. he chose Gary and Frenchy. Then he chose Kellie who also didn't offer.