Gary and his Spirituality.

[Pronshi]

Not trying to be a pretentious douche but the guy from my perception is spot on with almost everything he says.
Beautiful too. :dance:

[Josy]

I don't believe in any of that but I know Gary does so each to their own.

[Kazanne]

I believe in that kind of thing too,bet he has some interesting stories to tell

[Pronshi]

I believe in that kind of thing too,bet he has some interesting stories to tell

I would love to hear about his Astral projections.
If he married his wife in the astral would that would be cool.

[frenchboy]

Spirituality??? The guy is a nasty piece of work but everybody thinks he is a victim here. He is not. He knows exactly what he is doing.

[Sophiee]

I find it ironic that everybody says james is deluded but this guy is 10x worse. I don't even have a clue what he was going on about :joker:.

[Pronshi]

I find it ironic that everybody says james is deluded but this guy is 10x worse. I don't even have a clue what he was going on about :joker:.

You are making a HUGE misconception between ego and Gary's inner self.
James was speaking from ego.
What is Gary going to gain from talking about for example "my 37 past lifes"

[Pincho Paxton]

Scientifically it is hard to tell if he is right, or wrong about past lives.

[Pronshi]

Spirituality??? The guy is a nasty piece of work but everybody thinks he is a victim here. He is not. He knows exactly what he is doing.

He isn't a victim, I CERTAINLY understand how he can be a nasty piece of work. But the topic is his Spirituality. Not his personality.

[hijaxers]

I believe in that kind of thing too,bet he has some interesting stories to tell

The book 'I come as a brother' is very enlightening - as are Richard Bach's - but in different ways

[Nell_McCoy]

He is entitled to believe in any ridiculous religious hocus pocus he wants to, other people are entitled to piss themselves laughing at how damned foolish it is. I hate James but I have to say he was a paragon of British, PC, anti-scientific virtue for not rolling on the floor pissing himself laughing.

[Kazanne]

I would love to hear about his Astral projections.
If he married his wife in the astral would that would be cool.

I agree,it's fascinating stuff

[Kazanne]

The book 'I come as a brother' is very enlightening - as are Richard Bach's - but in different ways

Oh will look out for that one.

[karezza]

Hundreds of millions of people believe in some form of reincarnation.

[hijaxers]

He is entitled to believe in any ridiculous religious hocus pocus he wants to, other people are entitled to piss themselves laughing at how damned foolish it is. I hate James but I have to say he was a paragon of British, PC, anti-scientific virtue for not rolling on the floor pissing himself laughing.

Forgive me if there's no water for your fire !

[Nell_McCoy]

Hundreds of millions of people believe in some form of reincarnation.

Hundreds of millions of people should read "The God Delusion" by Professor Richard Dawkins.

[frenchboy]

He isn't a victim, I CERTAINLY understand how he can be a nasty piece of work. But the topic is his Spirituality. Not his personality.

But that's my point, you cannot dissociate his pretend spirituality and his personality.

[Pincho Paxton]

Hundreds of millions of people should read "The God Delusion" by Professor Richard Dawkins.

You don't need a God for reincarnation.

[Josy]

I find it ironic that everybody says james is deluded but this guy is 10x worse. I don't even have a clue what he was going on about :joker:.

I don't understand what you are comparing here with James/Gary? millions of people believe in the after life, past life, reincarnation and so on...

[Pincho Paxton]

I don't understand what you are comparing here with James/Gary? millions of people believe in the after life, past life, reincarnation and so on...

I'm an Atheist, and I believe in an afterlife, because mathematically there should be one.

[hijaxers]

Oh will look out for that one.

i come as a brother its by Bartholomew opens the thoughts that we do come in clusters - hence de ja vue - because you have met in other lives

[Vanessa]

Fascinating stuff. I need to look it up.

[Nell_McCoy]

You don't need a God for reincarnation.

No all you need to have is a belief in anti-scientific clap trap and to suspend all your good sense and reason. However most believers in reincarnation do believe in Gods - hundreds of them including those with elephant heads, eight arms etc Its 2014 time for an end to this ridiculous magical thinking.

[hijaxers]

Fascinating stuff. I need to look it up.

Its a very mind opening book i have given to people i love because you want to pass the message on

[Sophiee]

I don't understand what you are comparing here with James/Gary? millions of people believe in the after life, past life, reincarnation and so on...
of course, but gary wasn't even making sense...

[Pincho Paxton]

No all you need to have is a belief in anti-scientific clap trap and to suspend all your good sense and reason. However most believers in reincarnation do believe in Gods - hundreds of them including those with elephant heads, eight arms etc Its 2014 time for an end to this ridiculous magical thinking.

Scientifically, and mathematically there should be an afterlife. I'm Pincho Paxton I have a site for this sort of thing, and Quantum Physics, and the Theory Of Everything.

[Kazanne]

i come as a brother its by Bartholomew opens the thoughts that we do come in clusters - hence de ja vue - because you have met in other lives

I truly believe we do and yes de ja vue has to come from somewhere,thanks for the heads up on that hijaxers

[Angelika]

I find it ironic that everybody says james is deluded but this guy is 10x worse. I don't even have a clue what he was going on about :joker:.

James was clueless, he was speechless - all he could do was walk away mumbling under his breath when Gary spoke about past lives. Good on Gary for silencing the pretentious dancer who makes more noise and spurts 100x more hot air than any other housemate.

Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind when he proclaimed to Gary that Americans were louder than Brits........all the while he's :rant:ing, eyes popping out, jugular almost exploding and his voice topping 200decibels!

[hijaxers]

of course, but gary wasn't even making sense...

Not to you obviously - you'll understand one day

[hijaxers]

I truly believe we do and yes de ja vue has to come from somewhere,thanks for the heads up on that hijaxers

you are most welcome - it kind of explained so many things i'd been unsure about and it made feel more at one with myself ( it was given to me as a gift by someone i knew days but felt i'd known them all my life (inside me)

[bots]

past lives and reincarnation are a major part of the Buddhist religion, so Gary is hardly deluded in his views any more than anyone else is

[Pronshi]

of course, but gary wasn't even making sense...

He was making perfect sense.

[Nell_McCoy]

past lives and reincarnation are a major part of the Buddhist religion, so Gary is hardly deluded in his views any more than anyone else is

All religion is a delusion in fact its almost a mental illness - look what's going on in the middle east for goodness sake.

[Pronshi]

All religion is a delusion in fact its almost a mental illness - look what's going on in the middle east for goodness sake.

Yes and let's totally forget about the Christians in Africa killing each other.

[hijaxers]

All religion is a delusion in fact its almost a mental illness - look what's going on in the middle east for goodness sake.

I'm not in slightest bit religious - its nothing to do with religion - i find that quite insulting Open your mind

[Jules2]

of course, but gary wasn't even making sense...

He was only not making sense to those who do not understand. I always say each to their own but we shouldnt knock something which we do not understand. An experience is only an experience to those having it to others it is a load of rubbish but for one who has had a lot of experiences, it is all very beautiful. I would love to sit and talk to him. Sadly he is taking a risk chatting about it to the likes of some but at the end of the day he is being himself.

It isnt religion, it is life.

[Jules2]

of course, but gary wasn't even making sense...

He was only not making sense to those who do not understand. I always say each to their own but we shouldnt knock something which we do not understand. An experience is only an experience to those having it to others it is a load of rubbish but for one who has had a lot of experiences, it is all very beautiful. I would love to sit and talk to him. Sadly he is taking a risk chatting about it to the likes of some but at the end of the day he is being himself. I say well done, many are afraid to even approach the subject.

It isnt religion, it is life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Spiritually is a posh word for bbeleving bollocks to make u feel special

[JTM45]

Your new Avatar pic of the beautiful Miss Scarlett Johansson is the nearest thing to spirituality i've seen in this thread LeatherTrumpet!!!
I loved her so much in 'Under the Skin'.

I don't believe in reincarnation or an afterlife but i think Gary (and everyone else) should be allowed to believe whatever he wants to. I'll still love him for who he is at the end of the day!

[Pincho Paxton]

Your new Avatar pic of the beautiful Miss Scarlett Johansson is the nearest thing to spirituality i've seen in this thread LeatherTrumpet!!!
I loved her so much in 'Under the Skin'.

I don't believe in reincarnation or an afterlife but i think Gary (and everyone else) should be allowed to believe whatever he wants to. I'll still love him for who he is at the end of the day!

People can believe in whatever they like. But you believe in turning into nothing. Nothing is almost impossible to create in the Universe. If you could create nothing, the Universe would end.

[joeysteele]

I found what he was saying interesting but I don't believe in all that.
He does however and that is all that matters really.

[Robodog]

It's a very interesting topic he raises about reincarnation.

Reincarnation is pretty much a scientific fact if you think about it from a certain angle. Everything on this earth was once born in a star millions/billions of years ago. Since energy cannot be destroyed - only transformed - the energy of that star has been taking on different forms ever since. There is no death - just the transformation of energy into new states. Like a lava lamp - new shapes arising and disappearing - all from the same matter.

We are all recycled energy, and energy - like genetics - has intelligence, which organises itself into the forms of life we see all around us.

Memory of past lives may well be genetic memory or it could be memory carried forward in the energy of life itself.

As Pincho Paxton said perfectly above - creating nothing is impossible. The whole world is in a constant state of reincarnation of the same energy.

You yourself have reincarnated many times within this life right here - right now! Remember when you were five years old? Where is that five year old now? They are not here - but they reincarnated into the you who is reading these words.

Such is the game of life.

[Jules2]

Hundreds of millions of people believe in some form of reincarnation.

I am not religious but there is a theory that it was taken out of the bible for some reason.

[Jules2]

It's a very interesting topic he raises about reincarnation.

Reincarnation is pretty much a scientific fact if you think about it from a certain angle. Everything on this earth was once born in a star millions/billions of years ago. Since energy cannot be destroyed - only transformed - the energy of that star has been taking on different forms ever since. There is no death - just the transformation of energy into new states. Like a lava lamp - new shapes arising and disappearing - all from the same matter.

We are all recycled energy, and energy - like genetics - has intelligence, which organises itself into the forms of life we see all around us.

Memory of past lives may well be genetic memory or it could be memory carried forward in the energy of life itself.

As Pincho Paxton said perfectly above - creating nothing is impossible. The whole world is in a constant state of reincarnation of the same energy.

You yourself have reincarnated many times within this life right here - right now! Remember when you were five years old? Where is that five year old now? They are not here - but they reincarnated into the you who is reading these words.

Such is the game of life.

It is a lovely topic, sadly many are afraid to investigate. There is much more to life than that which we perceive. Death is but a change in circumstance, different plains of thought...Meditation is one of the keys to a greater understanding.

[CaudleHalbard]

I am not religious but there is a theory that it was taken out of the bible for some reason.
Yes on the orders of Emperor Constantine 4th century AD, as I vaguely recall.

[Josy]

of course, but gary wasn't even making sense...

He made a lot of sense even to me and I don't believe in that stuff.

I think he was spot on with the dates too iirc.

[Jules2]

Yes on the orders of Emperor Constantine 4th century AD, as I vaguely recall.

Yes I think you are right.......

[CaudleHalbard]

Some scientists have recently concluded that consciousness is a continuum. Not sure about the details of it but it is linked to quantum theory.

[Jules2]

He made a lot of sense even to me and I don't believe in that stuff.

I think he was spot on with the dates too iirc.

Many have had experiences without knowing or realising what they are. To know is to build, to build is to experience further.

[Pincho Paxton]

Some scientists have recently concluded that consciousness is a continuum. Not sure about the details of it but it is linked to quantum theory.

The best way to imagine it is...

You can't be aware of being dead, so if you are soil for a trillion years you still wake up as something else. To you it is instant. You are instantly something else that is aware of its surroundings... the trillion years doesn't count as anything.

But there are lots of ways to scientifically avoid nothingness.

[Robodog]

It is a lovely topic, sadly many are afraid to investigate. There is much more to life than that which we perceive. Death is but a change in circumstance, different plains of thought...Meditation is one of the keys to a greater understanding.

Absolutely. It's great we get to talk about it like this. One of the good things about these trying times we live in is that more and more people are becoming interested in these subjects and more information is coming out about it all the time.

And as you say - meditation and visualisation are key to understanding and also creating the conditions of our life.

Our beliefs shape our reality - in this world and beyond. That's why (for all the cliches) peace and love are so essential to meditate on and to think about and live by - in order to make our world and our individual lives all the better.

Life resonates out from our mind and becomes form. Better get some goodness going on the inside y'all!

[Jules2]

Spiritually is a posh word for bbeleving bollocks to make u feel special

Aw if that is what you believe for if you go to the centre of TRUTH you have U you are the truth. We are our own truths and we are all on a learning curb, just try not to close the doors which may take you further. Everything naturally depends on what we believe, for me I love the discovery it has helped me to face many trials and tribulations, many of which I could have gone under but the faith uplifted and yes, it made me feel very special. We are all special in our own ways.

[Robodog]

Some scientists have recently concluded that consciousness is a continuum. Not sure about the details of it but it is linked to quantum theory.

Quantum physics shows us that particles do not come from other particles - but come from formlessness. Particles come from formlessness!

This is the closest explanation i have ever come across where science describes the miracle of life itself.

Also as proved many times - the observer influences the observed. Particles behave differently when someone is watching to when someone is not! This shows the effect of consciousness on the behaviour of matter at the smallest level.

.

[Jules2]

Absolutely. It's great we get to talk about it like this. One of the good things about these trying times we live in is that more and more people are becoming interested in these subjects and more information is coming out about it all the time.

And as you say - meditation and visualisation are key to understanding and also creating the conditions of our life.

Our beliefs shape our reality - in this world and beyond. That's why (for all the cliches) peace and love are so essential to meditate on and to think about and live by - in order to make our world and our individual lives all the better.

Life resonates out from our mind and becomes form. Better get some goodness going on the inside y'all!

I think you and I would get on very well, it is hard to speak of the things which are dear to the heart, our own understanding of life which we realise could help in a lot of situations. It isnt religion, ego or anything untoward it is simply life which belongs to all.

[Robodog]

I think you and I would get on very well, it is hard to speak of the things which are dear to the heart, our own understanding of life which we realise could help in a lot of situations. It isnt religion, ego or anything untoward it is simply life which belongs to all.

I totally agree. So heartwarming to hear you say those things. Like you say it's not about religion but the life force we all share and are made of and such ways of thinking helps in so many ways.

I really wasn't expecting to be talking about this subject on here tonight - let alone connect with someone who thinks in the same way as me. That is a rare thing and really nice. Do you read many books on these subjects?

[fredmeneedle]

Reincarnation is bunkum -- and note how deluded tossers like Gary are always previously alive as some magnificent changer of history, never an insignificant serf.... of course all you people who base your assertions around physics by saying that "energy is a constant therefore everything that has ever existed remains" which is perfectly in agreement with us realists, just the same as all the water you drink has been passed through millions of kidneys and urinary tracts, but this does not explain, and never will, what exactly defines the conscious reasoning mind that we humans seem to possess uniquely amongst all the other species on the planet. *I* cannot explain it either but I am damn sure that each and every one is unique in its formation from birth to death and as a basically electro-chemical organism cannot exist or persist without an earthly body to sustain it.

[Robodog]

Reincarnation is bunkum -- and note how deluded tossers like Gary are always previously alive as some magnificent changer of history, never an insignificant serf.... of course all you people who base your assertions around physics by saying that "energy is a constant therefore everything that has ever existed remains" which is perfectly in agreement with us realists, just the same as all the water you drink has been passed through millions of kidneys and urinary tracts, but this does not explain, and never will, what exactly defines the conscious reasoning mind that we humans seem to possess uniquely amongst all the other species on the planet. *I* cannot explain it either but I am damn sure that each and every one is unique in its formation from birth to death and as a basically electro-chemical organism cannot exist or persist without an earthly body to sustain it.

Neither could an earthly body exist without a soul/mind to sustain it.

The soul/mind is the difference between a dead body and a live one.

[Pincho Paxton]

Reincarnation is bunkum -- and note how deluded tossers like Gary are always previously alive as some magnificent changer of history, never an insignificant serf.... of course all you people who base your assertions around physics by saying that "energy is a constant therefore everything that has ever existed remains" which is perfectly in agreement with us realists, just the same as all the water you drink has been passed through millions of kidneys and urinary tracts, but this does not explain, and never will, what exactly defines the conscious reasoning mind that we humans seem to possess uniquely amongst all the other species on the planet. *I* cannot explain it either but I am damn sure that each and every one is unique in its formation from birth to death and as a basically electro-chemical organism cannot exist or persist without an earthly body to sustain it.

This is all about 'you' being the one that has to understand it, and give it a name. What if an alien with the ability to travel space told you that sentience must always continue at the instance that it is destroyed. OK so now you would be given some new information to tell the world. This satisfies 'you', and that is all that you seem to need. But the alien could be 'me'. You do not know who I am. I mean that my intelligence could be equal to the alien.

[Jules2]

I totally agree. So heartwarming to hear you say those things. Like you say it's not about religion but the life force we all share and are made of and such ways of thinking helps in so many ways.

I really wasn't expecting to be talking about this subject on here tonight - let alone connect with someone who thinks in the same way as me. That is a rare thing and really nice. Do you read many books on these subjects?

I am not into quantum physics or anything like that, I just seem to know the things I know. I have no doubt at all that on the physical level your intelligence is far greater than mine, I have tried to study scientific things but I read and then lose the plot so to speak.

Now the other levels of understanding is a different thing, I have had so many experiences that I cannot deny them. I used to read a lot and have many cds on talks by different people. Whilst I seem grounded at the moment I have had many astral experiences, going back into the past and then realising that the past, present and future are still here. We are possibly just on a dimensional frame of life. I have experienced past lives... My mind is ever open and I have much to learn, always striving to meet a goal. Having said that though, I take every day as it comes as we are on a material plain of thought and to me, that is the only way to proceed to get through it.

[fredmeneedle]

'Soul' is a synonym for 'consciousness' used to help people too afraid to think about what consciousness really is to allow them to assign a term for it, just as the concept of 'God' is used to answer the question of "why are we here" for people who cannot accept the fact that there is no real, proven, answer to that question....it's like the perennial question of "what came before the big bang" and the concept that 'time' is an entirely invented concept by humans because everything is actually happening all at once using certain quantum theories but if you delved into every nuance of life and the universe you would be in a constant state of mental turmoil. Therefore people adopt religion, amongst other things (drugs, alcohol, alien theorists, psychosis) as a coping mechanism for having to live with the unanswered questions about what is "the meaning of life the universe and everything" posed by our logical-thinking intellects. This was, in an oblique satirical dig, the point that Douglas Adams was making when he said the answer was '42'.

[Pincho Paxton]

'Soul' is a synonym for 'consciousness' used to help people too afraid to think about what consciousness really is to allow them to assign a term for it, just as the concept of 'God' is used to answer the question of "why are we here" for people who cannot accept the fact that there is no real, proven, answer to that question....it's like the perennial question of "what came before the big bang" and the concept that 'time' is an entirely invented concept by humans because everything is actually happening all at once using certain quantum theories but if you delved into every nuance of life and the universe you would be in a constant state of mental turmoil. Therefore people adopt religion, amongst other things (drugs, alcohol, alien theorists, psychosis) as a coping mechanism for having to live with the unanswered questions about what is "the meaning of life the universe and everything" posed by our logical-thinking intellects. This was, in an oblique satirical dig, the point that Douglas Adams was making when he said the answer was '42'.

For most people that may be true.. but I solved it all. The problem with solving everything is that you only solve it for yourself. Telling people about it doesn't work. They have to solve it themselves. If they can't solve it themselves they can't understand the solution. Catch 22.

[puzzled]

Yes on the orders of Emperor Constantine 4th century AD, as I vaguely recall.

I don't think so.

[Robodog]

I am not into quantum physics or anything like that, I just seem to know the things I know. I have no doubt at all that on the physical level your intelligence is far greater than mine, I have tried to study scientific things but I read and then lose the plot so to speak.

Now the other levels of understanding is a different thing, I have had so many experiences that I cannot deny them. I used to read a lot and have many cds on talks by different people. Whilst I seem grounded at the moment I have had many astral experiences, going back into the past and then realising that the past, present and future are still here. We are possibly just on a dimensional frame of life. I have experienced past lives... My mind is ever open and I have much to learn, always striving to meet a goal. Having said that though, I take every day as it comes as we are on a material plain of thought and to me, that is the only way to proceed to get through it.

Ah that is kind of you to think but really - i have no mind for science - the only quantum physics stuff i know has been from exactly the kind of books and cds etc you are talking about - people like Wayne Dyer or Eckhart Tolle. I am a creative type and hardcore science etc gets lost on me! I need other people to translate it into ways i can grasp.

I also have had experiences as you have talked about, experiencing the past as clear as day and healing it etc.

Tell you what - do you want to message me privately as i can see me and you have a lot we could talk about and i don't want our conversation to take over this thread!

[Jules2]

Reincarnation is bunkum -- and note how deluded tossers like Gary are always previously alive as some magnificent changer of history, never an insignificant serf.... of course all you people who base your assertions around physics by saying that "energy is a constant therefore everything that has ever existed remains" which is perfectly in agreement with us realists, just the same as all the water you drink has been passed through millions of kidneys and urinary tracts, but this does not explain, and never will, what exactly defines the conscious reasoning mind that we humans seem to possess uniquely amongst all the other species on the planet. *I* cannot explain it either but I am damn sure that each and every one is unique in its formation from birth to death and as a basically electro-chemical organism cannot exist or persist without an earthly body to sustain it.

Tbh I do not see Gary as deluded, he has a great insight but the house isnt really the place to give his ideas out, they have made too much fun of him because many do not understand. Many are set in their ways and do not want to be taken out of their comfy corners but if only some would just let a little light in much would be known and the total light would be a beacon for others. The world is truly in a bad state. Ok I guess we cannot prove our feelings or experiences but we can be true to ourselves, this is what Gary is, true to himself.

From the depth of darkness there shone a light,
A tiny spark but oh so bright.
The darkness changed itself to day,
The light was sent to show the way.
JW.

[fredmeneedle]

I do not claim to have solved anything.... only that I do not need ridiculous artefacts and beliefs to satisfy my unattainable answers to the origins of the universe.... there IS no answer and never will be unless a greater force and intellect than our collective earthly consciousness exists and makes itself known...if you choose to regard that as a wait for "the second coming" (another coping mechanism) then go ahead, but I can cope with dealing with the finite here and now without using bunkum (that always has the word "faith" in there somewhere) to explain our origins.

[Robodog]

'Soul' is a synonym for 'consciousness' used to help people too afraid to think about what consciousness really is to allow them to assign a term for it, just as the concept of 'God' is used to answer the question of "why are we here" for people who cannot accept the fact that there is no real, proven, answer to that question....it's like the perennial question of "what came before the big bang" and the concept that 'time' is an entirely invented concept by humans because everything is actually happening all at once using certain quantum theories but if you delved into every nuance of life and the universe you would be in a constant state of mental turmoil. Therefore people adopt religion, amongst other things (drugs, alcohol, alien theorists, psychosis) as a coping mechanism for having to live with the unanswered questions about what is "the meaning of life the universe and everything" posed by our logical-thinking intellects. This was, in an oblique satirical dig, the point that Douglas Adams was making when he said the answer was '42'.

'Soul' is an unfortunate term that (like the word 'God') has too many misleading connotations as some cheap word to sum up the unexplained. Like the word 'love' and 'weird' it means different things to different people.

For me, soul is a conscious intelligence that experiences and feels. I actually prefer the word 'mind'. Mind is different from brain. The brain is a tool that the mind uses to think and analyse. But Mind has an intelligence seperate from the brain. There is mind in every cell of mammals, plants etc causing them to grow, be certain colours, shapes etc.

Mind (or soul) to me is the life force which rides and influences physical matter in the game of life.

[Jules2]

All religion is a delusion in fact its almost a mental illness - look what's going on in the middle east for goodness sake.

I personally am not talking about religion, it isnt religion, Gary has a great understanding of the things which can be for all. The thing is many get to a certain state and then think they are right but, there is always another level of understanding to obtain. Yes the middle east, it is therefore up to each one of us to try and help the best we can but, we have to believe in the way.

[fredmeneedle]

Whatever you call it Robodog, it's an unknown just he same as the 'x' in algebra and we all have our ways of imagining it... I grok where you are coming from and 'mind' is just as vague a term as 'soul' to mean 'an unknown controlling something-or-other' (I think Freud called it the 'Id') whatever WORD you se doesn't really disguise the fact that "we do not know what it is"!

[Robodog]

Whatever you call it Robodog, it's an unknown just he same as the 'x' in algebra and we all have our ways of imagining it... I grok where you are coming from and 'mind' is just as vague a term as 'soul' to mean 'an unknown controlling something-or-other' (I think Freud called it the 'Id') whatever WORD you se doesn't really disguise the fact that "we do not know what it is"!

Yeah it's an interesting one - seeing as we are it but can't explain it !

A tongue cannot taste itself, a sword cannot cut itself etc

[fredmeneedle]

OK to get back on topic, my personal opinion is that Gary's brain is addled from years of substance abuse and lots of USA 'psychs' have had him on the couch to extort as much dosh from him as they could whist instilling delusions that help him cope with sober living... the man is a shambling wreck with a superficial overlay of limited social abilities and would, if he were someone's granddad in the UK, be in a sheltered housing complex.

[Pincho Paxton]

I do not claim to have solved anything.... only that I do not need ridiculous artefacts and beliefs to satisfy my unattainable answers to the origins of the universe.... there IS no answer and never will be unless a greater force and intellect than our collective earthly consciousness exists and makes itself known...if you choose to regard that as a wait for "the second coming" (another coping mechanism) then go ahead, but I can cope with dealing with the finite here and now without using bunkum (that always has the word "faith" in there somewhere) to explain our origins.

You claim to have answers that I have bolded. To say that there is no answer is your personal answer. It is the same as saying that the Universe has no answer, but of course it does. Of course it is not a greater force and intellect than our collective earthly consciousness. That would make it greater than us, to create us, which is backward evolution. Being as we could create AI greater than ourselves we evolve forwards not backwards.

[Robodog]

OK to get back on topic, my personal opinion is that Gary's brain is addled from years of substance abuse and lots of USA 'psychs' have had him on the couch to extort as much dosh from him as they could whist instilling delusions that help him cope with sober living... the man is a shambling wreck with a superficial overlay of limited social abilities and would, if he were someone's granddad in the UK, be in a sheltered housing complex.

He would be a damn cool and interesting Granddad. I'd love to hang out with him.

[Jules2]

I do not claim to have solved anything.... only that I do not need ridiculous artefacts and beliefs to satisfy my unattainable answers to the origins of the universe.... there IS no answer and never will be unless a greater force and intellect than our collective earthly consciousness exists and makes itself known...if you choose to regard that as a wait for "the second coming" (another coping mechanism) then go ahead, but I can cope with dealing with the finite here and now without using bunkum (that always has the word "faith" in there somewhere) to explain our origins.

Who knows eh, I believe that we each have to find our own way, not one person has the right to say they are totally right because as you say, we do not really know. I think one of the greatest things to try to do is to not harm another. This was a great belief of the Khuna tribes, tribes which were in existence long before the coming of the Nazarene. They were in tune with nature and knew how to use the forces of energy for their own protection and healing. I personally do not believe in a "second coming" I am not sure about the first other than the fact that the man in question was a great healer and mystic but many would disagree. Bearing this in mind I do not have the right to take away anothers "faith"

To bring it back to CBB though Gary truly believes and I can see why he does.

[fredmeneedle]

@ Pincho Paxton....if you think you will assume the debating skills of Jeremy by adopting his surname then you need to reassess... highlighting my sentence saying "there IS no answer and never will be..." and then saying that "you claim to have answers that I have bolded..." is crass daftness.

[Pincho Paxton]

Whatever you call it Robodog, it's an unknown just he same as the 'x' in algebra and we all have our ways of imagining it... I grok where you are coming from and 'mind' is just as vague a term as 'soul' to mean 'an unknown controlling something-or-other' (I think Freud called it the 'Id') whatever WORD you se doesn't really disguise the fact that "we do not know what it is"!

It's called sentience. It is simply to give yourself a kick of energy that leads to another kick of energy. Like playing Swingball by yourself. You can hit the ball high, and in the future you will have to reach up high to get it, you can hit the ball low, and in the future you will have to reach low to get it. You are influencing yourself.

[fredmeneedle]

He would be a damn cool and interesting Granddad. I'd love to hang out with him.

Only to chat about his career (he did a cameo of one of his threatening roles in tonight's show that was quite scary and fascinating)...once he started lapsing into '32 past lives' I would make a sharp exit

[Jules2]

He would be a damn cool and interesting Granddad. I'd love to hang out with him.

Ha ha me to, I think we need to look at his vts and see his social skills in dealing with the disabled through brain injuries, his empathy with those less fortunate than himself because he has overcome. His charity work, his interviews....

[Pincho Paxton]

@ Pincho Paxton....if you think you will assume the debating skills of Jeremy by adopting his surname then you need to reassess... highlighting my sentence saying "there IS no answer and never will be..." and then saying that "you claim to have answers that I have bolded..." is crass daftness.

You have an answer that you know there is no answer. It has the same probability as a real answer.

[the truth]

I find it ironic that everybody says james is deluded but this guy is 10x worse. I don't even have a clue what he was going on about :joker:.

james is a shallow ignorant fool, when gary refused to argue and instead choose to discuss and debate subject sin depth, james was finished and resorted to saying he was brad pitt of the dance world. what an embarassing shallow prat. sorry but anyone who looks up to such a prat probably has similarly shallow views and beliefs and will of course be lost at sea when listening to the deep complex wisdom of the legend that is, the busey.

[Jules2]

Only to chat about his career (he did a cameo of one of his threatening roles in tonight's show that was quite scary and fascinating)...once he started lapsing into '32 past lives' I would make a sharp exit

Who knows we may have been in those past lives.....:laugh:

[the truth]

Only to chat about his career (he did a cameo of one of his threatening roles in tonight's show that was quite scary and fascinating)...once he started lapsing into '32 past lives' I would make a sharp exit

wait a sec before you impatiently abscond from tales of past life regression. i was zippy in the 19th century and you were bungle.

[Jules2]

james is a shallow ignorant fool, when gary refused to argue and instead choose to discuss and debate subject sin depth, james was finished and resorted to saying he was brad pitt of the dance world. what an embarassing shallow prat. sorry but anyone who looks up to such a prat probably has similarly shallow views and beliefs and will of course be lost at sea when listening to the deep complex wisdom of the legend that is, the busey.

This is what I cannot understand about him and Leslie, yes why not debate....

[Jules2]

wait a sec before you impatiently abscond from tales of past life regression. i was zippy in the 19th century and you were bungle.

:joker::laugh: Well folk I have enjoyed this discussion tonight but my bed is calling, night all, take care now....

[the truth]

all gary is reallydoing is having conversations , or at leats attempting too....20 years ago we in the UK were capable of having conversations, that is before we in chavland UK got so dumbed down, our own prime minister didnt know anything about the magna carta when grilled under cross examination by dave letterman?

[Jules2]

For most people that may be true.. but I solved it all. The problem with solving everything is that you only solve it for yourself. Telling people about it doesn't work. They have to solve it themselves. If they can't solve it themselves they can't understand the solution. Catch 22.

Well said I agree totally, it is the same as my "an experience is only an experience to the person having it, to others it could be a load of bunkum" it is just so hard to prove, we cannot.....

[the truth]

Well said I agree totally, it is the same as my "an experience is only an experience to the person having it, to others it could be a load of bunkum" it is just so hard to prove, we cannot.....

you can learn from others experiences, you dont need to prove anything though? listening and learning it depends whether you can put your ego aside first, alas jumped up james sorry king james of england, coudlnt do that, we dont do silly things like listening and learning in england do we james?

[fredmeneedle]

OY "the truth" the HELL you were zippy in the 19th century... George maybe ya pink buffoon [grin] but to drag back on topic again, James is a thoroughly nasty piece of work with a massively over-inflated ego and no tolerance whatsoever of the failings of his fellow housemates whatever they may be... OK I think Gary is a shambling deluded buffoon but I wouldn't provoke aggressive confrontation the way that nasty James does...I just cannot see why he would want to do that unless he is borderline sociopathic

[the truth]

OY "the truth" the HELL you were zippy in the 19th century... George maybe ya pink buffoon [grin] but to drag back on topic again, James is a thoroughly nasty piece of work with a massively over-inflated ego and no tolerance whatsoever of the failings of his fellow housemates whatever they may be... OK I think Gary is a shambling deluded buffoon but I wouldn't provoke aggressive confrontation the way that nasty James does...I just cannot see why he would want to do that unless he is borderline sociopathic

ooooooooo geoffrey geoffrey geoffrey:cheer2:

[fredmeneedle]

Another thing I really disliked about James was a few days ago when he wrapped a wet towel around his hand and gave George's arse a vicious flick with it... give George his due he took it in good part but it must have hurt because he showed the weal it had made....had the roles been reversed I doubt whether superJames would have reacted as graciously

[the truth]

Another thing I really disliked about James was a few days ago when he wrapped a wet towel around his hand and gave George's arse a vicious flick with it... give George his due he took it in good part but it must have hurt because he showed the weal it had made....had the roles been reversed I doubt whether superJames would have reacted as graciously

hed had claimed for whiplash as sure as the moon is round-ish

[Kizzy]

Another thing I really disliked about James was a few days ago when he wrapped a wet towel around his hand and gave George's arse a vicious flick with it... give George his due he took it in good part but it must have hurt because he showed the weal it had made....had the roles been reversed I doubt whether superJames would have reacted as graciously

And then he wonders why some question his sexuality, with this homoerotic locker room shenanigans :/

pffft, am I surprised this pretentious fool is mocking garys story?...No.

[JTM45]

People can believe in whatever they like. But you believe in turning into nothing. Nothing is almost impossible to create in the Universe. If you could create nothing, the Universe would end.

No we turn into ash if we're burnt or bug food and bones if we're buried!
Anything that constitutes our living senses are merely electrical impulses which, as with any machine be it biological or mechanical, simply discharge when the power is switched off.
I'd love there to be some Nirvana type of Paradise that we suddenly find ourselves in after we're dead but all of the evidence points to that not being so.
We have to die after we've had our turn to make room for the next people and if we all just ended up somewhere else it would defeat the object and you'd have this massive afterlife slum where the main problem would be over-crowding. You'd have everyone from the beginning of life on this planet there and if we were all there it would figure that all of the animals that have died throughout time would be there too so it would be unbearable! We'd all be climbing on top of each other scrambling for space.

And as for reincarnation............what would be the point ? Very few people percentage-wise claim to be aware of having lived a previous life so what would the point be of giving someone a new life if they didn't even realize that they were getting a second chance and had lived before ? There would be no connection to their previous life so in effect it wouldn't have really existed.

I think we've just gotta' forget about worrying whether there might be something after this life (because there isn't!) and stop living your life by the rules of some non-existant deity that will judge you by your actions and just life this one life that you know for sure you really do have to the max! Do what you enjoy doing to the extreme regardless of whether someone tells you it's wrong or bad for you..........or do nothing if that's what pleases you!
Just worry about yourself and what makes you happy, try not to have any negative impact on others and have a blast!!!:laugh:

[Ammi]

..I really disliked James for that conversation..(or non conversation..)..I don't think it matters whether he believed in re-incarnation himself or what he personally believes or whether he thought Gary was talking complete silliness...it's fascinating to hear of people's beliefs and he asked him about it and then just got up and walked away with a condescending look on his face...just extreme ignorance and rudeness...he asked, he should listen...ignoramus....

[lostalex]

He's totally full of it. I agree with Leslie that his spituality is complete crap. I'm not a Leslie fan, but he was right about Gary in that instance.

[Tip]

Oh dear, second time now that I've had to admit that I'd probably do the same thing as James (and I haven't taken to James at all)

I'd be glad to make a quick exit as well if someone started talking about their beliefs in that way.

When you don't share a person's beliefs I don't find that there is too much to discuss - you end up either just being ear-bashed or just being berated for not sharing their beliefs.

It's the same reaction I have when those certain people knock on your door with their magazines and stories of salvation etc. need to get away from them fast.

I'm capable of having conversations, but I know that conversations regarding faith and belief are limited by their very nature.

[Ammi]

Oh dear, second time now that I've had to admit that I'd probably do the same thing as James (and I haven't taken to James at all)

I'd be glad to make a quick exit as well if someone started talking about their beliefs in that way.

When you don't share a person's beliefs I don't find that there is too much to discuss - you end up either just being ear-bashed or just being berated for not sharing their beliefs.

It's the same reaction I have when those certain people knock on your door with their magazines and stories of salvation etc. need to get away from them fast.

I'm capable of having conversations, but I know that conversations regarding faith and belief are limited by their very nature.

..yeah I agree if people attempt to 'force' their beliefs on you, you know..try to persuade you I some way but for me it was that Gary just mentioned it in passing about having known his partner 37 times or being married to her 37 times before and James could have just shifted the conversation or excused himself at that point and walked away but he specifically asked Gary about it/to explain and then showed no interest at all but just rudely got up and walked away...

[Tip]

..yeah I agree if people attempt to 'force' their beliefs on you, you know..try to persuade you I some way but for me it was that Gary just mentioned it in passing about having known his partner 37 times or being married to her 37 times before and James could have just shifted the conversation or excused himself at that point and walked away but he specifically asked Gary about it/to explain and then showed no interest at all but just rudely got up and walked away...

You may be right - it's not that I don't think James isn't rude at times.

I just don't see it quite the same way. Asking for clarity on what Gary was saying and then finding it was of absolutely no interest and having nothing to say on the matter - it doesn't seem too bad a thing to just walk away.

Thing is I get the impression that Gary may get that response a lot as he is very domineering in presenting his beliefs and attitudes and if you don't happen to be on the same wavelength he'll just be telling "you're wrong and I'm right" which is tedious at best and irritating at worst. Sometimes it's better to walk away than get into that kind of situation (again).

[Ammi]

You may be right - it's not that I don't think James isn't rude at times.

I just don't see it quite the same way. Asking for clarity on what Gary was saying and then finding it was of absolutely no interest and having nothing to say on the matter - it doesn't seem too bad a thing to just walk away.

Thing is I get the impression that Gary may get that response a lot as he is very domineering in presenting his beliefs and attitudes and if you don't happen to be on the same wavelength he'll just be telling "you're wrong and I'm right" which is tedious at best and irritating at worst. Sometimes it's better to walk away than get into that kind of situation (again).

...hmmm..:laugh:..I guess to me your analogy of someone knocking on your door..?...it would be if that happened, you could just kind of refuse to engage in the first place because you don't feel any interest at all..?..or you could say...hmmmm, tell me about your beliefs/views then...and then just as they start to, you close the door in their face..?..you don't even say, oh actually this isn't what I believe at all and I'm not going to spend any of my or your time etc...James said nothing, didn't excuse himself, didn't say..'oh right, interesting but not something I believe in..'..just whatever, you know because he had asked....but he didn't, he said nothing and just stood up and walked away and the look Gary had..(quite rightly in my opinion)...was just bemused disbelief..or maybe what he's come to expect with many housemates..?...


..it didn't have to go into a 'back and forth' thing of differing opinions...just a ...ahh ok, I wasn't sure what you meant but these conversations aren't something that really interest me, thanks for clarifying...just give him some respect you know, because he did ask and Gary replied..?..


..by the by, re-incarnation isn't my view but I would have found that conversation fascinating and been there for hours listening and questioning...:laugh:...

[Tip]

Yes, of course, we put ourselves in these situations and compare others with how we would react.

I've had lots of conversations with people who believe in reincarnation and past life regressions and don't need to have any more. I would, like James, have asked more to check what Gary was going on about when he said they had 32 lives together, he thought he meant years initially.

Yes, James could have said something and not just walked away, but at this stage it all seems much of a muchness. Saying something can mean that Gary comes back with something and continues it, or gives Gary the opportunity to wind you up - as anger management says - just walk away.

[Ammi]

Yes, of course, we put ourselves in these situations and compare others with how we would react.

I've had lots of conversations with people who believe in reincarnation and past life regressions and don't need to have any more. I would, like James, have asked more to check what Gary was going on about when he said they had 32 lives together, he thought he meant years initially.

Yes, James could have said something and not just walked away, but at this stage it all seems much of a muchness. Saying something can mean that Gary comes back with something and continues it, or gives Gary the opportunity to wind you up - as anger management says - just walk away.

..hmmm it's funny how we see things differently and yet we're all watching the same thing but that's the fascinating and interesting thing of BB and 'people watching'...:laugh:...yeah, I can understand how you see it and make valid points, maybe he did think Gary meant 32 years together and that was clarified...I think walking away was fine if he had just done it less rudely and he always seems to pride himself on 'behaving well' type thing ...I also think in general, not just with this ..that we're much more open to at least listening, even though we may disagree if we like that person/have tolerance for them..?..but when we don't have any, when we have complete intolerance or liking for them, then we're thinking...no I don't want to give any time to this etc..?...

..and I think the fact that James was not prepared to conversation yet Gary was prepared to, says to me where the 'intolerances' lie and 'who is the bigger person' despite their past differences....

[Pronshi]

Wow just woke up to see the thread did well.
I understand peoples perception of all things similar to what Gary said.
I have seen people in the Spiritual Field selling things like "protectors" and what not to pocket quick money.
There is no religion that will help with anything. The only thing that can help you in anyway related to religion but not directly is mediation. Although that has been around a lot longer than people think, it is also used for very selfish reasons and should be used to broaden your perception of duality into unity.

[Tip]

..hmmm it's funny how we see things differently and yet we're all watching the same thing but that's the fascinating and interesting thing of BB and 'people watching'...:laugh:...yeah, I can understand how you see it and make valid points, maybe he did think Gary meant 32 years together and that was clarified...I think walking away was fine if he had just done it less rudely and he always seems to pride himself on 'behaving well' type thing ...I also think in general, not just with this ..that we're much more open to at least listening, even though we may disagree if we like that person/have tolerance for them..?..but when we don't have any, when we have complete intolerance or liking for them, then we're thinking...no I don't want to give any time to this etc..?...

..and I think the fact that James was not prepared to conversation yet Gary was prepared to, says to me where the 'intolerances' lie and 'who is the bigger person' despite their past differences....

I'm pretty sure James could try to be less rude if he had the inclination, but I don't think Gary was up for a conversation as such here. This was all set up for a centre stage Gary monologue if James was prepared to indulge him.

I like Gary, but he's no saint, and he has an ego at least as big as James' if not bigger.
I think Gary will have to handle people walking away at times - he is unlikely to adapt himself, and I don't think he has quite the characteristics to persuade others to adapt to him.

[Ammi]

I'm pretty sure James could try to be less rude if he had the inclination, but I don't think Gary was up for a conversation as such here. This was all set up for a centre stage Gary monologue if James was prepared to indulge him.

I like Gary, but he's no saint, and he has an ego at least as big as James' if not bigger.
I think Gary will have to handle people walking away at times - he is unlikely to adapt himself, and I don't think he has quite the characteristics to persuade others to adapt to him.

..yeah I agree I think Gary has an ego, I think they all do and all Celebrity BB housemates in general and I agree Gary is no saint at all but I think he has some interesting views on things and has led a very varied and interesting life in general so I would be fascinated by him/am fascinated by him...much more so than I am with James because he gives his opinions so freely and quite 'forcefully' at times in my opinion and yet doesn't talk of many 'life experiences' type thing to explain them..?...both great viewing and great housemates though, eh Tip..?..:laugh:...

[Tip]

..yeah I agree I think Gary has an ego, I think they all do and all Celebrity BB housemates in general and I agree Gary is no saint at all but I think he has some interesting views on things and has led a very varied and interesting life in general so I would be fascinated by him/am fascinated by him...much more so than I am with James because he gives his opinions so freely and quite 'forcefully' at times in my opinion and yet doesn't talk of many 'life experiences' type thing to explain them..?...both great viewing and great housemates though, eh Tip..?..:laugh:...

Indeed they are - I've now changed my mind about James for sure and want him to stay -even though I don't like him, he does give you something to react about :D

[Ammi]

Indeed they are - I've now changed my mind about James for sure and want him to stay -even though I don't like him, he does give you something to react about :D

..oh yeah totally, I do want him to stay, I would love to see them both in the final and I hope neither gets booed harshly because they don't deserve it...actually I was just coming to post an 'afterthought' to my last post and say that maybe the thing is that with both of them, it is all an 'ego' thing or a 'who knows better' thing/like a clash of 'the wisdom of the house'..?..I don't know, that could possibly be a thought..Gary has 'lived it all' and is firm in his 'knowledge' and James has also observed a lot and is 'top of his game' type thing..?...so it's kind of how they're presenting their 'egos' as to how we decide which we prefer..?...LOL I love BB so much, this series is so fascinating and reminds me why I love it so much...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine a closer examination of gary and his "spirituality" would quickly show it to be just his imagination/age and accident trauma.

Combine this with the bog standard reason people say they have seen ghosts/spirts etc - ie it makes them feel important and gets them attention.

[Jules2]

I would imagine a closer examination of gary and his "spirituality" would quickly show it to be just his imagination/age and accident trauma.

Combine this with the bog standard reason people say they have seen ghosts/spirts etc - ie it makes them feel important and gets them attention.

Ah but in the BB house it does not get them the right attention. The others are totally bogged down on the material part of their life, their successes their acceptance by others. It takes a great person to put forth part of their being knowing that it wont possibly be accepted. Like attracts like and for Gary there is no like in there.

It is a well known fact that accidents and operations can lead to Out of Body experiences. Many sit in meditation circles to obtain the same effect, it is all a matter of putting ones levels within the body onto a straight pathway. The people of the earth would take substances to progress their souls to achieve the healing and the aspect of having one foot on each level of understanding. There is so much and I would love to sit and talk to Gary as he is experiencing it. We are not just who we think we are we are all something far greater.

[Jules2]

you can learn from others experiences, you dont need to prove anything though? listening and learning it depends whether you can put your ego aside first, alas jumped up james sorry king james of england, coudlnt do that, we dont do silly things like listening and learning in england do we james?

Hi Truth, I do so agree with what you are saying but the experiences I am talking about tbh, is the out of body and astral projection. Many find these hard to accept but many of us can say they are definitely truth. Because some do not understand it is easier to just make fun of that person, mind as someone said, if the person is liked he may be treated with tolerance but in the case of Gary, he isnt liked so they just put everything down to him being a doddery old man. He isnt though, he has his own truths and we are all on a pathway to discovery. Many in there wont realise that until they are past it :cheer2: they will have missed out on so much but, that is only my truth and I respect others.

[Livia]

I would imagine a closer examination of gary and his "spirituality" would quickly show it to be just his imagination/age and accident trauma.

Combine this with the bog standard reason people say they have seen ghosts/spirts etc - ie it makes them feel important and gets them attention.

I would say it's the iconoclasts of this world, those who go out of their way to ridicule and belittle people's beliefs because they don't share them rather than living and let live, who are the one's demanding attention, Trumpet. You believe "faith" is all hocum. You can't prove it is, but you believe it anyway. It's an oddly conflicting view.

[Pincho Paxton]

I just think like this...

I know that life exists, because I am alive.

I don't know that death exists... nobody does. To be dead you can't exist, so you can't have proof of death, only proof of life.

So scientifically you can only believe in your life, and not in your death. Nobody can tell me that I am alive apart from me, and nobody can tell me that I am dead including me.

[Liam-]

As much as irritates me.. i could sit and listen to his beliefs in spirituality for hours, i find that stuff incredibly fascinating

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would say it's the iconoclasts of this world, those who go out of their way to ridicule and belittle people's beliefs because they don't share them rather than living and let live, who are the one's demanding attention, Trumpet. You believe "faith" is all hocum. You can't prove it is, but you believe it anyway. It's an oddly conflicting view.

People believe all kinds of sh1t and thats a fact, its one of the reasons we have a legal system so that we can use hard evidence to avoid such crap.

There are not too many judgements made on a daily basis that find in favour of gods, ghosts and spirits coz in the real world they dont exist but as i have often said there is no problem believing in anything, just dont expect others to share your views if you bring them to a party.

Gary and his spirits=mark and his tea leaves

[Pincho Paxton]

People believe all kinds of sh1t and thats a fact, its one of the reasons we have a legal system so that we can use hard evidence to avoid such crap.

There are not too many judgements made on a daily basis that find in favour of gods, ghosts and spirits coz in the real world they dont exist but as i have often said there is no problem believing in anything, just dont expect others to share your views if you bring them to a party.

Gary and his spirits=mark and his tea leaves

Lol.. legal system? You mean science, or proof.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol.. legal system? You mean science, or proof.

well often science is used in evidence. god apparently can do many things but so far i dont think he has managed to get anyone off in a court "god told me to rob the car.. or it wasnt me that decided to burn down my neighbours house it was the spirit of Lady Di who was having a bad day and made me do it"

[flamingGalah!]

He is entitled to believe in any ridiculous religious hocus pocus he wants to, other people are entitled to piss themselves laughing at how damned foolish it is. I hate James but I have to say he was a paragon of British, PC, anti-scientific virtue for not rolling on the floor pissing himself laughing.

Being 'spiritual' has nothing to do with religion...

I don't believe in God at all, but I do believe in the afterlife/reincarnation.

I have seen 'ghosts' before & I believe that we have been someone else before. When my sister was very young she used to talk about her 'old' house where she used to live & described a Victorian looking house & the clothes that she used to wear. It freaked us out a bit. After a while she didn't even remember she had told us this & to this day thinks we are winding her up when we talk about it...

Lots of other things in my life have happened that are a little spooky or spititual (too many to go into on here) & I did used to be quite skeptical about such things...

You need to open your mind to these things to be able to see them & believe them...

[hijaxers]

'Soul' is a synonym for 'consciousness' used to help people too afraid to think about what consciousness really is to allow them to assign a term for it, just as the concept of 'God' is used to answer the question of "why are we here" for people who cannot accept the fact that there is no real, proven, answer to that question....it's like the perennial question of "what came before the big bang" and the concept that 'time' is an entirely invented concept by humans because everything is actually happening all at once using certain quantum theories but if you delved into every nuance of life and the universe you would be in a constant state of mental turmoil. Therefore people adopt religion, amongst other things (drugs, alcohol, alien theorists, psychosis) as a coping mechanism for having to live with the unanswered questions about what is "the meaning of life the universe and everything" posed by our logical-thinking intellects. This was, in an oblique satirical dig, the point that Douglas Adams was making when he said the answer was '42'.

A good friend of mine believed that and he took 42 tablets to kill himself ! His name was Goat and he was the only person ever to break his leg whilst playing chess in China > What a wake that was !!!:dance::dance::dance:

[CaudleHalbard]

The late Professor Ian Stevenson ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson ) did extensive research on reincarnation, investigating about 3000 cases. Whilst his work is controversial, it is the largest and most serious study done on the subject ever (so far as I know).

[Jules2]

Being 'spiritual' has nothing to do with religion...

I don't believe in God at all, but I do believe in the afterlife/reincarnation.

I have seen 'ghosts' before & I believe that we have been someone else before. When my sister was very young she used to talk about her 'old' house where she used to live & described a Victorian looking house & the clothes that she used to wear. It freaked us out a bit. After a while she didn't even remember she had told us this & to this day thinks we are winding her up when we talk about it...

Lots of other things in my life have happened that are a little spooky or spititual (too many to go into on here) & I did used to be quite skeptical about such things...

You need to open your mind to these things to be able to see them & believe them...

I do so agree, nothing at all to do with religion, each to their own though. There are many hypocrits in all sorts of life and each one thinks that they have the answers. We have to remember that once we reach a goal, do not settle on that state and think we have the answer because we do not. We have part of something greater, something which will be revealed when the time is right for each individual. In the meantime be happy and unafraid.

Once we experiece then it is hard not to believe. :wavey:

[CaudleHalbard]

Religion is almost the opposite of spirituality!

[Pronshi]

Religion is almost the opposite of spirituality!

This.

and...

As much as irritates me.. i could sit and listen to his beliefs in spirituality for hours, i find that stuff incredibly fascinating


This.

[Vanessa]

It's another interesting aspect of him.

[vinboy]

I'm not in slightest bit religious - its nothing to do with religion - i find that quite insulting Open your mind

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

Oh its getting very silly now, fair play to James for keeping a straight face while Gary was talking utter rot about his previous lives ,I wouldn't have been able to do it ,Gary made himself look a fool

[Livia]

People believe all kinds of sh1t and thats a fact, its one of the reasons we have a legal system so that we can use hard evidence to avoid such crap.

There are not too many judgements made on a daily basis that find in favour of gods, ghosts and spirits coz in the real world they dont exist but as i have often said there is no problem believing in anything, just dont expect others to share your views if you bring them to a party.

Gary and his spirits=mark and his tea leaves

The same legal system where you're asked to swear on your Holy book that you'll tell the truth? Of course, you can choose affirm if you don't believe...

I don't expect people to share my views so I never take my beliefs to a party and like I always say, my faith does not recruit. But I do expect people to grant me the right to my beliefs. I get the distinct impression that Gary isn't trying to recruit anyone either, so his views remain his own.

I am, as always... praying for you Trumpet :-)

[the truth]

Hi Truth, I do so agree with what you are saying but the experiences I am talking about tbh, is the out of body and astral projection. Many find these hard to accept but many of us can say they are definitely truth. Because some do not understand it is easier to just make fun of that person, mind as someone said, if the person is liked he may be treated with tolerance but in the case of Gary, he isnt liked so they just put everything down to him being a doddery old man. He isnt though, he has his own truths and we are all on a pathway to discovery. Many in there wont realise that until they are past it :cheer2: they will have missed out on so much but, that is only my truth and I respect others.

the reason gary isnt liked is because 1) theyre too ignorant and impatient to give him time 2) they lack any empathy compassion understanding 3) they dont want to hear anyone talk about sujects that dont involve them 4) theyre anti american racists like so many english people on this show and most uk reality shows down the years. makes me ashamed to be english

[the truth]

The same legal system where you're asked to swear on your Holy book that you'll tell the truth? Of course, you can choose affirm if you don't believe...

I don't expect people to share my views so I never take my beliefs to a party and like I always say, my faith does not recruit. But I do expect people to grant me the right to my beliefs. I get the distinct impression that Gary isn't trying to recruit anyone either, so his views remain his own.

I am, as always... praying for you Trumpet :-)

as you say gfary isnt knocking doors converting people, he simply has his own beliefs and sticks to them as he has more indivuality than anyone else and never goes with the crowd. one thing us english hate about the yanks is that they are freethinking mavericks and we cant control them. in the larger world we look like parochial xenophobic narrow minded little englanders, its sad.

[Jules2]

Oh its getting very silly now, fair play to James for keeping a straight face while Gary was talking utter rot about his previous lives ,I wouldn't have been able to do it ,Gary made himself look a fool

A strong minded man who believes in his truths and is not afraid to say. He is his own person, he doesnt follow the sheep. Sadly he doesnt have anyone he can converse with on an equal basis. There are many many people who think the same way so no, he did not make himself look a fool.

[the truth]

A strong minded man who believes in his truths and is not afraid to say. He is his own person, he doesnt follow the sheep. Sadly he doesnt have anyone he can converse with on an equal basis. There are many many people who think the same way so no, he did not make himself look a fool.

exactly , well said. his biggest mistake wigth the pack of small minded english bullies , is to be sincere....in the short run he will lose, in the long run he will win as he will be true to himself and have no regets

a true maverick a free thinker who has the guts to say his truth. hes not there to win or gain more fame or anything. its for the experience. to spread his light, his take on life, his spirit. sadly we dont even believe in spirits in the uk anymore, let alone God. we believe in nothing here really. take a photos, remember his spirit and his words, take a very good look and say goodnight , because soon enough you wil never see legends like that anymore

[Pronshi]

A strong minded man who believes in his truths and is not afraid to say. He is his own person, he doesnt follow the sheep. Sadly he doesnt have anyone he can converse with on an equal basis. There are many many people who think the same way so no, he did not make himself look a fool.

This.

[Pronshi]

Oh its getting very silly now, fair play to James for keeping a straight face while Gary was talking utter rot about his previous lives ,I wouldn't have been able to do it ,Gary made himself look a fool

You are very rude and ignorant. Although I am not surprised to see this post after your disgusting thread about Kellie being a scam.