Gary vs. Dee

[Marcus.]

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-8-gary-vs-dee

[Jake.]

Gary Busey found himself in another tense clash in the Celebrity Big Brother 2014 house last night.


And it was a new enemy he faced as Gary got upset with White Dee, following some revelations from the latest shopping task.

Dee complained that Gary was taking the show too seriously, citing his ‘storming off to the Diary Room’ after being sent to the scrap heap as an example.

She told him: “It’s nothing personal, we all get on, we all like each other, it’s for food [the task]. Take it with a pinch of salt, don’t take it to the heart.”

Gary told her that he didn’t “take nothing seriously or personally,” saying he was “very smart, I’ve got genius, brilliance working in me.”



The Hollywood actor also spoke about his out-of-body experience, claiming: “I got information over there that you don’t get on earth.”

Dee brushed his comments off saying “Well, that may be…”, but Gary seemed rather annoyed by this and retorted that she was “rude”.

As things began to get heated, he told her: “Please don’t start with me.”

Dee concluded: “I think you’re the only person who doesn’t know it’s a game.”

Walking away, she added: “I ain’t ******ing coming back, I’ve had a ******ing enough.”

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[jaxie]

I just don't get how these people are missing the obvious. The man objected to the scrapheap because of his health. He is far more able to determine what he is able to do than they are, he is living in his body.

If anyone else had the same conversation with her in the house she wouldn't have gotten angry, its like a pack mentality with them now that Gary is bad therefore any point of view he has is wrong. I just want to shake some sense in them all.

[Ammi]

...I've liked Dee so far but really..?...he takes things too seriously..?...the 'intolerances' he could have taken seriously and cried victim/moped about/bitched about but all he's done is brushed them aside and got on with his time in there and 'judged' people the way others have done....


..and he shouldn't take it personally/they all like each other..?...well look at your friend Kellie, there Dee..taking it personally..??...pftttt...and no Dee..are you blind and deaf, you do not all like each other at all, that's the most ridiculous thing..trying to put things in a positive way is one thing but let's not be silly now....


..and all he was trying to tell you is that it was 'his truth' from his experiences and how he sees things and what's important/unimportant to him....raise your voice to his hearing impairment but stop raising it to talk over him ....and James take things in good humour...?...is that even meant to be taken seriously....

[Tip]

Gary: [I'm] .." very smart, I’ve got genius, brilliance working in me."

I like Gary - he's a character but honestly, his ego is enormous and his declarations are sometimes as hilarious as those James makes about himself.

Dee's attempt to offer him advice as she does other people backfired - Gary would only want advice if he sought it - so she got slapped down and she now probably doesn't have a role she can play in her interactions with Gary.

You can't debate with someone who claims "genius and out of body knowledge" to bolster their arguments so people just need to pick and choose what they talk to Gary about or walk away.

[jaxie]

Gary: [I'm] .." very smart, I’ve got genius, brilliance working in me."

I like Gary - he's a character but honestly, his ego is enormous and his declarations are sometimes as hilarious as those James makes about himself.

Dee's attempt to offer him advice as she does other people backfired - Gary would only want advice if he sought it - so she got slapped down and she now probably doesn't have a role she can play in her interactions with Gary.

You can't debate with someone who claims "genius and out of body knowledge" to bolster their arguments so people just need to pick and choose what they talk to Gary about or walk away.

He wasn't saying hey I'm a genius he was saying I have genius working in me which I think is a reference to his views of the divine. It may not be our cup of tea but it doesn't make his views any less valid than hers. He had concerns about his health and sleeping outside re the task she is referring, he didn't storm off or retire to bed in tears, then call someone a little queen and say he could crush them like her bosom buddy Kellie did. This is pure and simple intolerance of Gary and every time I see it, it disgusts me.

[Tip]

He wasn't saying hey I'm a genius he was saying I have genius working in me which I think is a reference to his views of the divine. It may not be our cup of tea but it doesn't make his views any less valid than hers. He had concerns about his health and sleeping outside re the task she is referring, he didn't storm off or retire to bed in tears, then call someone a little queen and say he could crush them like her bosom buddy Kellie did. This is pure and simple intolerance of Gary and every time I see it, it disgusts me.

I'm definitely not excusing all of the intolerance of Gary - I'm just stating why I can see some of why they find him difficult to deal with. I have no time for them when they don't assist with his physical issues i.e. deafness, need for sleep etc.

I'm not excusing the behaviour of other people above Gary, even if Dee appeared to have been.

Dee seems to have pretty much just one approach to people - tries to be their "helper" and it was never going to work with Gary. I'm not criticising either of them for that - it's just a fact.

If Gary's beliefs mean he just flat out say someone else is wrong and he is right, and someone else says the same from their position - it's just a pointless interaction. So in some ways I do excuse intolerance of that situation from both sides.

The physical stuff - no.. I do not excuse people not helping him and being more tolerant of that.

[Ellen]

Disappointed in Dee, she was just talking bs.
Gary moaned about the task because he was not going to be sleeping outside overnight with his back/other health probs. Once BB had clarified he would not be sleeping outside at night he got on with it.
They all get on? again bs. Apart from the fact most of them have been calling him names and moaning about him from day dot i dont think i have seen Dee speak to him, she knows damn well some of them do not get on with him.

Unfortunately she is following the rest of them and it is a shame, i thought she had a bit more about her.

[Tip]

Disappointed in Dee, she was just talking bs.
Gary moaned about the task because he was not going to be sleeping outside overnight with his back/other health probs. Once BB had clarified he would not be sleeping outside at night he got on with it.
They all get on? again bs. Apart from the fact most of them have been calling him names and moaning about him from day dot i dont think i have seen Dee speak to him, she knows damn well some of them do not get on with him.

Unfortunately she is following the rest of them and it is a shame, i thought she had a bit more about her.


I wasn't exactly sure what it was that had prompted Dee to butt her nose in with this.

If it was just Gary's objection to sleeping outside, then she really didn't have any reason to say anything. If it was something else, then I can't judge what she was all about.

She failed anyway, and if she is going to be able to "talk" to Gary she'll need to find a totally new tack.

[Ellen]

I wasn't exactly sure what it was that had prompted Dee to butt her nose in with this.

If it was just Gary's objection to sleeping outside, then she really didn't have any reason to say anything. If it was something else, then I can't judge what she was all about.

She failed anyway, and if she is going to be able to "talk" to Gary she'll need to find a totally new tack.

It came up because BB asked her questions as part of the shopping task, she brought up Gary.

Her objection was he stormed off to BB because he was sent to the scrap heap and should have just got on with it because it was a food task. Gary tried to tell her his side because he felt she had misjudged him.

[sampvt]

Sadly Dee's attempt to add Gary to her list of needy clients backfired as he isn't stupid and can see through her game. Americans by definition are not the stereotypical types that go running to the nearest agaony aunt for guidance, they are more stand alone and don't revel in the gossip or pack mentality we seem to nurture here in the UK.

I have lived in the USA and lived in American settlements in Mexico for many years and in general, people like Dee wouldn't last 10 mins in their culture, so Gary sees that and probably decided to brush her off as a minnow of life and in time, he will treat her with contempt (as I predicted days ago) and Dee might not fair too well against him as gary is one of the best put down artists on that show.

[Jules2]

It came up because BB asked her questions as part of the shopping task, she brought up Gary.

Her objection was he stormed off to BB because he was sent to the scrap heap and should have just got on with it because it was a food task. Gary tried to tell her his side because he felt she had misjudged him.

Was it a food task? I maybe wrong but I thought it was just to do with putting HMs up for eviction.

[Jules2]

I am hoping that we are not going to see a put down of Gary on BOTS and a build up of Dee as I think she is their winner. It is something I read in the paper about who was betting on her to win, it will all be about money again if this is so. She is top of Oddschecker at the moment with Gary being 2nd.

[Liam-]

What i don't get is, the people who support him, claim he does no wrong.. but if everyone in the house except one person, says he's difficult to live with and he's rude etc, surely they can't all be wrong? :shrug:

[Ellen]

Was it a food task? I maybe wrong but I thought it was just to do with putting HMs up for eviction.

Yes it was the phobia of information where Dee, Stephanie & Kellie had to answer question. Dee said she thought Gary was wrong about going to BB when Leslie picked him to go to the scrap heap.

[jaxie]

What i don't get is, the people who support him, claim he does no wrong.. but if everyone in the house except one person, says he's difficult to live with and he's rude etc, surely they can't all be wrong? :shrug:

I don't think he does no wrong. Leaving turds in toilet and not showering often isn't great by anyone's standards but sometimes old people need a bit of understanding for forgetfulness in such things. However in the interactions we are shown, as all I have to go on, I'm not seeing him say anything awful or be nasty to anyone. I am seeing them be ****ty and rude to him though.

Re the question dee was asked about him in the task was she asked if she felt Kelli was wrong for how she reacted as well? However you look at it in this house it seems to be one rule for Gary and another rule for everyone else.

[Liam-]

I don't think he does no wrong. Leaving turds in toilet and not showering often isn't great by anyone's standards but sometimes old people need a bit of understanding for forgetfulness in such things. However in the interactions we are shown, as all I have to go on, I'm not seeing him say anything awful or be nasty to anyone. I am seeing them be ****ty and rude to him though.

Re the question dee was asked about him in the task was she asked if she felt Kelli was wrong for how she reacted as well? However you look at it in this house it seems to be one rule for Gary and another rule for everyone else.

If everyone was being horrible to him, why is Gary having such an amazing time there? he doesn't mention anything about feeling sad that everyone is horrible to him.. in the one instance that he asked James why Stephanie didn't like him, James told him honestly why and Gary was grateful for it.
People do try and help him in there, like when Audley and James helped him into the shower when he was naked, which they didn't have to do but chose to anyway, then stayed there until he got out to make sure he was okay.
When he fell over, everyone in the garden rushed over to him to make sure he was okay, then after he fell over, David went out of his way to help him with ice for his knee and everything, but Gary was rude to him saying that what he had done for him 'wasn't enough' even after he heard and understand David saying that he'd do more for him when he went and laid down on his bed, even after then when David was in the bedroom for him, still going out of his way to help him, Gary said 'Iv'e been doing this for' however many years he said.. so David was right to get in a mood with him, he was trying to help him out after he had hurt himself, only to be dismissed by Gary.. those actions doesn't strike me as a group of people who aren't trying to help someone :shrug:

[Livia]

Like I've said before, Dee has been paid to spend a lot of time sitting on her ENORMOUS arse thinking about things... so she probably thinks she knows better than people who've had other things to do.

[Kizzy]

She was wrong there there's no getting away from it. But the part about the out off body when she says 'that's as maybe' I think he hears 'I don't believe you'.

[Josy]

I like Dee but when I watched this last night my first thought was she took the easy/cowards way out in that task, she chose Gary because he was the easy option there and she didn't want to upset any of the other housemates IMO.

[jaxie]

If everyone was being horrible to him, why is Gary having such an amazing time there? he doesn't mention anything about feeling sad that everyone is horrible to him.. in the one instance that he asked James why Stephanie didn't like him, James told him honestly why and Gary was grateful for it.
People do try and help him in there, like when Audley and James helped him into the shower when he was naked, which they didn't have to do but chose to anyway, then stayed there until he got out to make sure he was okay.
When he fell over, everyone in the garden rushed over to him to make sure he was okay, then after he fell over, David went out of his way to help him with ice for his knee and everything, but Gary was rude to him saying that what he had done for him 'wasn't enough' even after he heard and understand David saying that he'd do more for him when he went and laid down on his bed, even after then when David was in the bedroom for him, still going out of his way to help him, Gary said 'Iv'e been doing this for' however many years he said.. so David was right to get in a mood with him, he was trying to help him out after he had hurt himself, only to be dismissed by Gary.. those actions doesn't strike me as a group of people who aren't trying to help someone :shrug:

When Gary was outside on the task he said to frenchie they all hate me, it hurts my heart. He doesn't have to be self absorbed and melodramatic like Kelli to notice and feel it.

He asked Stephanie to please be nice, she said I am nice to everyone except you because I don't like you.

James trying to help is rude and patronising it isn't done with kindness or genuine cncern what little he does is because BB told him to try to be kind. Behind gary's back he calls him a weirdo and an animal.

And actually if you watch it again what Gary actually said to David was I need more ice than that I've experience of the injury before and it needs to be packed in a lot of ice but David was too busy getting offended to hear and obvs you as a watcher weren't paying attention either.

I am glad if he is managing to have a good time in spite of them but please do open your eyes a bit.

[Jules2]

What i don't get is, the people who support him, claim he does no wrong.. but if everyone in the house except one person, says he's difficult to live with and he's rude etc, surely they can't all be wrong? :shrug:

I think people would be very silly to say that anyone of those HMs can do no wrong. None of us are perfect but we do learn tolerance of each other and understanding. If we are wise we talk out a situation, discuss, debate. This lot only mess around, flirt (James trying to get off with Lauren). Do they ever talk about anything worthwhile, are they all still standing by Leslie and is the pool still Leslie's and Gary should not go near it? See the mind boggles and there is so much to see how they just push him away. Why couldnt he sit by the pool as well? It is little things like that which put my back up. Of course Gary isnt perfect.

[Jules2]

I like Dee but when I watched this last night my first thought was she took the easy/cowards way out in that task, she chose Gary because he was the easy option there and she didn't want to upset any of the other housemates IMO.

I agree Josy, she did it twice to him as well this is why he was trying to explain about going to the DR. They will all nominate him asap but let us hope he overcomes as he will be hurt. I can see one or two of the others being hurt as well.

[Pincho Paxton]

Gary complained because of health reasons. Perfectly good excuse to complain. He was a farm worker, he wouldn't care about being outside otherwise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dee told him the truth and he did not like it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I like Dee but when I watched this last night my first thought was she took the easy/cowards way out in that task, she chose Gary because he was the easy option there and she didn't want to upset any of the other housemates IMO.

Its a gameshow. why would she chose a hm that may mean she would be up in a nom situation in the future?

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I like Dee but when I watched this last night my first thought was she took the easy/cowards way out in that task, she chose Gary because he was the easy option there and she didn't want to upset any of the other housemates IMO.

I also like Dee and believe her to be down to earth but, having watched the clip, I felt that she might have thought she was back in Benefit Street giving a lecture to Fungi. There seems to be a tendency in the BB house to have a pack mentality (apart from Audley, Clare or Edele joining in) where they follow each other. Dee agreeing with Kellie that Leslie has a nasty side (behind Leslies back) shows that she is not as innocent as the game she is playing - friends to all but for herown convience.

[Fendertele]

BB should tell Dee to run up and down the library room stairs 20 times, I bet she will say 'I can't do it', but it's only a game Dee, Gary was saying for health reasons and his limitations he could not go on the scrap heap....

[rusticgal]

BB should tell Dee to run up and down the library room stairs 20 times, I bet she will say 'I can't do it', but it's only a game Dee, Gary was saying for health reasons and his limitations he could not go on the scrap heap....


:joker:

Dee can **** off....just because Gary isn't falling for her gameplan. Dee has had it easy in there...she is wallowing in the comforts and has yet to be challenged. Let's see her reaction when she is...

[the truth]

Like I've said before, Dee has been paid to spend a lot of time sitting on her ENORMOUS arse thinking about things... so she probably thinks she knows better than people who've had other things to do.

yep spot on. shes sat on her backside smoking fags all her life? now shes acting like a life guru? what a joke. gary has been out there living the life of 20 men.....and yet she is more arrogant she is more impatient, she is the one who thinks she knows everything, whereas gary is still learning and growing and living in wonderment at the infinite mysteries of the universe. im actually beginning to think we english are small minded narrow minded little people. watching this and many other reality tv shows over the years, the americans have been far more open minded. our lot in there always hunt in packs, always act as bullies towards the bigger american characters. after 15+ years of relaity shows like big brother, i think we can safely say a pattern has developed.

[the truth]

I also like Dee and believe her to be down to earth but, having watched the clip, I felt that she might have thought she was back in Benefit Street giving a lecture to Fungi. There seems to be a tendency in the BB house to have a pack mentality (apart from Audley, Clare or Edele joining in) where they follow each other. Dee agreeing with Kellie that Leslie has a nasty side (behind Leslies back) shows that she is not as innocent as the game she is playing - friends to all but for herown convience.

just because a person is a lazy chav smoking and swearing all day in a brummie accent doesnt mean theyre down to earth. she is in fact more arrogant and impatient than the movie legend.

[Josy]

Its a gameshow. why would she chose a hm that may mean she would be up in a nom situation in the future?

I know it's a game show.

She still took the easy way out. IMO.

[Josy]

I also like Dee and believe her to be down to earth but, having watched the clip, I felt that she might have thought she was back in Benefit Street giving a lecture to Fungi. There seems to be a tendency in the BB house to have a pack mentality (apart from Audley, Clare or Edele joining in) where they follow each other. Dee agreeing with Kellie that Leslie has a nasty side (behind Leslies back) shows that she is not as innocent as the game she is playing - friends to all but for herown convience.

Yeah I thought this myself actually, it's easier for them to agree with the 'pack' so they do it.

[puzzled]

It was comic, though, watching Dee give her unsolicited (stupid) advice about how to act on a reality show, to Gary. What was she thinking?

[Patricia4]

He's no fool it make's me laugh :joker:

[Vanessa]

I don't like Dee. She isn't a celeb and she's boring as well. What does she actually do in there? :conf:

[jet]

Neither of them did themselves any favours in that clip. I don't think Gary is taking the game too seriously. He shouldn't be made to sleep outside with his health problems, end of story. The other HM's should care about him physically more than they seem to and I wonder why some of the ladies of the house aren't more concerned for his welfare. Not meaning to be sexist, but I hope you know what I mean. Do Dee, Claire etc even bother to have ordinary conversations with him one to one?

As for Gary, I dislike the way he shut Dee down by saying he has genius and brilliance and he has left his body twice; because it wasn't relevant to the conversation and gives the impression that he thinks she is a lesser being than him because she hasn't had the dubious experience of dying twice. :hehe: Everyone is on their own level of awareness/ a spiritual journey or whatever you want to call it, and brushing others opinions or attitudes off (whether they are right or wrong) by telling them you are 'spiritually' superior only suggests that you are, well, not.
It makes for riveting viewing though. :idc:

[the truth]

What i don't get is, the people who support him, claim he does no wrong.. but if everyone in the house except one person, says he's difficult to live with and he's rude etc, surely they can't all be wrong? :shrug:

a group of shallow bullies are always wrong

[the truth]

Its a gameshow. why would she chose a hm that may mean she would be up in a nom situation in the future?

because honesty pays longer term and because were watching . she exposed herself as shallow judgemental cowradly lazy and fake.....ironically shes more arrogant and far lazier than hollywood royalty

[the truth]

Dee told him the truth and he did not like it.

she didnt say the truth at all, she just went with the crowd of bullies.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

she didnt say the truth at all, she just went with the crowd of bullies.


100% agree with you, the way she behaved was to do with the pack mentally of James, Leslie, Stephanie, Kellie and even George. For somebody who protrays herself to be a caring person (as she tries to in Benefit Street) she was very disrepectful of Gary's health and age and it was because of his health that he couldn't do the scrap heap. Dee has 100% gone down in my estimation (I actually can;t believe I like her at first).

[the truth]

100% agree with you, the way she behaved was to do with the pack mentally of James, Leslie, Stephanie, Kellie and even George. For somebody who protrays herself to be a caring person (as she tries to in Benefit Street) she was very disrepectful of Gary's health and age and it was because of his health that he couldn't do the scrap heap. Dee has 100% gone down in my estimation (I actually can;t believe I like her at first).

im proud to say i never fell for her..like so many fake talentless celebrities in the uk, when you scratch the surface theres nothing underneath........all front and no back , a total fraud....shes a lazy fake hypocrite who has sat on her lard arse , smoking most of her life........gary has lived his life, hes danced with the devil and come out to tell the tale....i have the utmost respect for gary, i am in awe of the man

[joeysteele]

Disappointed in Dee, she was just talking bs.
Gary moaned about the task because he was not going to be sleeping outside overnight with his back/other health probs. Once BB had clarified he would not be sleeping outside at night he got on with it.
They all get on? again bs. Apart from the fact most of them have been calling him names and moaning about him from day dot i dont think i have seen Dee speak to him, she knows damn well some of them do not get on with him.

Unfortunately she is following the rest of them and it is a shame, i thought she had a bit more about her.



I think this is when things maybe start to backfire on Dee with the public.
I thought her answers were wrong but she thought they were 'safe' ones to make as they got at Gary.

She came across really patronsing too in their talk,Gary was,in his way, a step ahead of her and she didn't like that at all in my view.

[Jules2]

Like I've said before, Dee has been paid to spend a lot of time sitting on her ENORMOUS arse thinking about things... so she probably thinks she knows better than people who've had other things to do.

Dee has now lost her top spot with Oddschecker. George is now 1st Gary 2nd and Dee 3rd. I hope she stays there or goes to the bottom of the pile along with Leslie and the Pratt girl.

[the truth]

define the moment or the moment defines you.......the moment define dee, a lazy coward.

[JTM45]

[/B]


I think this is when things maybe start to backfire on Dee with the public.
I thought her answers were wrong but she thought they were 'safe' ones to make as they got at Gary.

She came across really patronsing too in their talk,Gary was,in his way, a step ahead of her and she didn't like that at all in my view.

Definitely!
When she realized she was starting to make herself look silly she started talking much faster and her accent got stronger which i think she did so that Gary would lose track in the conversation and she could just walk off making comments about him that were too quiet for him to hear but loud enough so that the cameras and other housemates would pick them up!

I really have given her a chance but over the last couple of days she's become very tactical by going with the majority who take delight in ridiculing Gary because he's an easy target!

If Gary had pissed in the pool they would have gone absolutely ****ing NUTS but because it was Lauren it was barely commented on!:bored:

[joeysteele]

Definitely!
When she realized she was starting to make herself look silly she started talking much faster and her accent got stronger which i think she did so that Gary would lose track in the conversation and she could just walk off making comments about him that were too quiet for him to hear but loud enough so that the cameras and other housemates would pick them up!

I really have given her a chance but over the last couple of days she's become very tactical by going with the majority who take delight in ridiculing Gary because he's an easy target!

If Gary had pissed in the pool they would have gone absolutely ****ing NUTS but because it was Lauren it was barely commented on!:bored:

I agree with all that, all good points.

[jet]

im proud to say i never fell for her..like so many fake talentless celebrities in the uk, when you scratch the surface theres nothing underneath........all front and no back , a total fraud....shes a lazy fake hypocrite who has sat on her lard arse , smoking most of her life........gary has lived his life, hes danced with the devil and come out to tell the tale....i have the utmost respect for gary, i am in awe of the man

I'm genuinely interested to hear why you are in awe of him? I understand that he has made some great films, he has been through a lot with his accident, brain surgery etc. He is an interesting eccentric and obviously has 'lived' as he is 70. I like him a lot, but apart from all that I can't say I find him particularly inspiring or profound in any way. In fact I find him quite close minded in his belief that he is spiritually superior because he claims to have 'knowledge' from the other side that makes him brilliant and a genius....and others are lesser mortals.
I'd like him to tell what that knowledge is, or to show that he is a great guru instead of just stating it as a fact while showing nothing really to back it up. In other words, he's all talk really.
I think he's a good man, and an interesting and lovable one, but I don't get the adulation. :shrug:

[the truth]

I'm genuinely interested to hear why you are in awe of him? I understand that he has made some great films, 167 movies/tv shows over 50 years...phenomenal

he has been through a lot with his accident, brain surgery etc.

thats an understatement. the accident happened decades ago. hes also half deaf, he also has no ego. he is on a journey, learning growing experiencing

He is an interesting eccentric and obviously has 'lived' as he is 70.

damned by faint praise. hes not necessarily eccentric, he just appears so compared to the one dimensional english puppets weve thrown him in with. he has his own unique original individual spirit. and hes not afraid to say it. brits have become homogenous cowards. we need gary buseys to put a mirror up to us and how contrived fake shallow and frankly boring and unoriginal weve become. being unoriginal is unforgivable.

I like him a lot, but apart from all that I can't say I find him particularly inspiring or profound in any way. In fact I find him quite close minded in his belief that he is spiritually superior because he claims to have 'knowledge' from the other side that makes him brilliant and a genius....and others are lesser mortals.

youre misquoting him hear and mis hearing him like all the other english housemates. (who are also anti american imho) hes never said such a thing at all.


I'd like him to tell what that knowledge is, or to show that he is a great guru instead of just stating it as a fact while showing nothing really to back it up. In other words, he's all talk really.

what do you want him to do, turn pool water into wine? even after lauren peed in it?

I think he's a good man, and an interesting and lovable one, but I don't get the adulation. :shrug:

im in adulation because this is a man who has lived his life to the absolute max. in many ways for the right reasons...how many humans can really say theyve done that for the majority of their lives. he is totally out there experiencing it all, risking it all on a spit and a shoeshine......he could be sat in his hollywood mansion talking about the golden days of hollywood? instead hes out there despite it all living experiencing learning risking.......for my mind its the english in there who are the more arrogant the mentally lazier, the more ignorant and the ones who wont grow and learn....far easier to mock the crazy old yank , than actually listen learn understand and grow from his experiences

hes also got a phenomenal sense of humour, hes forgiving, hes kind, but hes never willing to earn praise or appreciation cheaply. hes true to himself at all times even under the most demanding of circumstances

i love the man. ive watched his movies my whole life. when i see a great yankee hero like that in the house , it makes me almost cry at how introverted and narrow minded we are as a people by comparison

[the truth]

I'm genuinely interested to hear why you are in awe of him? I understand that he has made some great films, 167 movies/tv shows over 50 years...phenomenal

he has been through a lot with his accident, brain surgery etc.

thats an understatement. the accident happened decades ago. hes also half deaf, he also has no ego. he is on a journey, learning growing experiencing
He is an interesting eccentric and obviously has 'lived' as he is 70.

damned by faint praise. hes not necessarily eccentric, he just appears so compared to the one dimensional english puppets weve thrown him in with. he has his own unique original individual spirit. and hes not afraid to say it. brits have become homogenous cowards. we need gary buseys to put a mirror up to us and how contrived fake shallow and frankly boring and unoriginal weve become. being unoriginal is unforgivable.
I like him a lot, but apart from all that I can't say I find him particularly inspiring or profound in any way. In fact I find him quite close minded in his belief that he is spiritually superior because he claims to have 'knowledge' from the other side that makes him brilliant and a genius....and others are lesser mortals.

youre misquoting him hear and mis hearing him like all the other english housemates. (who are also anti american imho) hes never said such a thing at all.

I'd like him to tell what that knowledge is, or to show that he is a great guru instead of just stating it as a fact while showing nothing really to back it up. In other words, he's all talk really.

what do you want him to do, turn pool water into wine? even after lauren peed in it?
I think he's a good man, and an interesting and lovable one, but I don't get the adulation. :shrug:

im in adulation because this is a man who has lived his life to the absolute max. in many ways for the right reasons...how many humans can really say theyve done that for the majority of their lives. he is totally out there experiencing it all, risking it all on a spit and a shoeshine......he could be sat in his hollywood mansion talking about the golden days of hollywood? instead hes out there despite it all living experiencing learning risking.......for my mind its the english in there who are the more arrogant the mentally lazier, the more ignorant and the ones who wont grow and learn....far easier to mock the crazy old yank , than actually listen learn understand and grow from his experiences

hes also got a phenomenal sense of humour, hes forgiving, hes kind, but hes never willing to earn praise or appreciation cheaply. hes true to himself at all times even under the most demanding of circumstances

i love the man. ive watched his movies my whole life. when i see a great yankee hero like that in the house , it makes me almost cry at how introverted and narrow minded we are as a people by comparison

[Rob!]

Daily star claiming that the two had a massive screaming row that "they daren't show you on TV."
Can't find a link, but it's on the front page tomorrow. :shrug:

[puzzled]

Dee was yelling and pointing her finger at Gary. How come James didn't run over and tell her that people don't do that in THIS country.

[jet]

im in adulation because this is a man who has lived his life to the absolute max. in many ways for the right reasons...how many humans can really say theyve done that for the majority of their lives. he is totally out there experiencing it all, risking it all on a spit and a shoeshine......he could be sat in his hollywood mansion talking about the golden days of hollywood? instead hes out there despite it all living experiencing learning risking.......for my mind its the english in there who are the more arrogant the mentally lazier, the more ignorant and the ones who wont grow and learn....far easier to mock the crazy old yank , than actually listen learn understand and grow from his experiences

hes also got a phenomenal sense of humour, hes forgiving, hes kind, but hes never willing to earn praise or appreciation cheaply. hes true to himself at all times even under the most demanding of circumstances

i love the man. ive watched his movies my whole life. when i see a great yankee hero like that in the house , it makes me almost cry at how introverted and narrow minded we are as a people by comparison

I like to save my adulation for people like Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa, but you obviously admire the man greatly and that is fine too. I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other parts but what I really wanted to know was why he is thought to be so profound spiritually. He said he has genius and brilliance, that he has knowledge not known to us - but he doesn't expand on that, he just states it as a fact as if that is enough - but it isn't. And he does it in such as way as to come across superior spiritually which can rub people the wrong way if he keeps saying it as if that should shut anyone up and no more needs to be said...

[the truth]

I like to save my adulation for people like Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa, but you obviously admire the man greatly and that is fine too. I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other parts but what I really wanted to know was why he is thought to be so profound spiritually. He said he has genius and brilliance, that he has knowledge not known to us - but he doesn't expand on that, he just states it as a fact as if that is enough - but it isn't. And he does it in such as way as to come across superior spiritually which can rub people the wrong way if he keeps saying it as if that should shut anyone up and no more needs to be said...

he didnt say that. he was touched by genius. he also does expand on t, except theyre nearly all too impatient and ignorant to listen....instead they look their patience, walk off and slag him off behind his back....again taking words totally out of context is a waste of time and bordering on disingenuous. as for MLK , mother teresa, great people. but not everyone can save the free world, greatness exists in many ways. creating and producing 100s of great movies and tv shows is one way to help make a better world, entertaining the masses. hes also done a load of work for charity, raising millions, survived near death experiences , survive brain surgery, fought on with deafness and been a great father to his kids amongst many other achievements in a remarkable life. i also love his puns and philosophies.....FUN stands for Finally Undertanding Nothing.......
he also says art is just the search its not the final form....

[jet]

he didnt say that. he was touched by genius. he also does expand on t, except theyre nearly all too impatient and ignorant to listen....instead they look their patience, walk off and slag him off behind his back....again taking words totally out of context is a waste of time and bordering on disingenuous.

I heard him saying tonight about being touched with genius (I agree with you I heard that wrongly at first) and that he had died twice etc, but I didn't see the relevance of that in the argument they were having? Did you? Why does he have to bring up his out of body experiences and knowledge etc at every opportunity? (Sorry for all the questions)

I also missed an episode and haven't had time to watch it, so if he expanded on the 'knowledge' that he possessed it must have been in that one. What did he say? I really want to know, I'm dying to know in fact. I'm very interested and curious about what actually makes him tick and not just what he implies makes him tick, if that makes sense.

[the truth]

I heard him saying tonight about being touched with genius (I agree with you I heard that wrongly) and that he had died twice etc, but I didn't see the relevance of that in the argument they were having? Did you? Why does he have to bring up his out of body experiences and knowledge etc at every opportunity? (Sorry for all the questions)

I also missed an episode and haven't had time to watch it, so if he expanded on the 'knowledge' that he possessed it must have been in that one. What did he say? I really want to know, I'm dying to know in fact. I'm very interested and curious about what actually makes him tick and not just what he implies makes him tick, if that makes sense.

she voted him as her least favourite housemate and the most manipulative. she added nothing positive. the day before shed said to gary if housemates start to leave shed get bored and theyd all run out of things to talk baout. he disagreed. he said he always finds ways out of boredom.....he then suggested ways for dee to avoid boredom in future and he started yelping like a moose and encouraged dee to do likewise.....she was laughing but clearly her laughter wasnt heartfelt as 24 hours later she stuck the knife in twice....even after he had been outdoors on the celebrity scrap heap for days with his bad health too

shes a coward who played to the audience....smal time winner, big time loser

as for gary , he cant be put into a small box.....hes ahuge multi facted multi layered character..creative madcap.....open , warm, tenacious, learned, intelligent, kind , thoughtful, experienced.....hes also devoid of ego

[puzzled]

Why does she care how seriously Gary takes the game anyway? She just wanted to play wise Mum to Gary, and play one upmanship, and made a fool of herself.

[the truth]

i love how he picked her up on her flippancy .......shes done that many times when hes poured his heart out, shes like yeah whatever...ignorant

[delta]

she voted him as her least favourite housemate and the most manipulative. she added nothing positive. the day before shed said to gary if housemates start to leave shed get bored and theyd all run out of things to talk baout. he disagreed. he said he always finds ways out of boredom.....he then suggested ways for dee to avoid boredom in future and he started yelping like a moose and encouraged dee to do likewise.....she was laughing but clearly her laughter wasnt heartfelt as 24 hours later she stuck the knife in twice....even after he had been outdoors on the celebrity scrap heap for days with his bad health too

shes a coward who played to the audience....smal time winner, big time loser

as for gary , he cant be put into a small box.....hes ahuge multi facted multi layered character..creative madcap.....open , warm, tenacious, learned, intelligent, kind , thoughtful, experienced.....hes also devoid of ego


Well said my friend.


I thought I would pop on here to find everyone lauding Dee for me she went way down in my estimation of her. She also set out her declaration, one of, her not being in it just for the sake of it, she's in it to win it. The public attack on Gary last night was uncalled for and unwarranted, you could see, just as Kelly had the opportunity to attack Leslie, she seized upon her chance to stick the knife into Gary. Obviously, they all have something to protect, their image. Some more than others could be potentially harmed by what is said in there and I think, as much as she said was untrue, it could harm him on the outside.

This man is 30 years their senior and they talk to him as if he's some sort of beggar on the street. Make no wonder our care homes are the way they are, and the elderly in this country are cast aside. What we witnessed by James Jordan on numerous occasions and Dee last night was the abuse of an aging gentleman who should command more respect, not only because of what he's done but reverence to his 3 score years plus 10 on this earth. I was truly disgusted the way she talked to him then flounced off as if he was a lump of dog sh!t she'd just managed to extract from her shoe. To add insult to injury-almost immediately she then proceeded to denigrate him to others.

She is what she is- street scum.

[Semtex]

The only thing that Gary has been found guilty of stealing is scenes from other actors.

The only thing that Dee has been found guilty of stealing is £13,000 from the most vulnerable people in her community.

Dee has no compassion, it's all an act. I dare not say that she has worked the system. claiming depression is so hard to debunk.

Gary has many actual illnesses, and has continued working through them.

I don't think that Dee had depression, I think she had shame.

Shame of showing her face after getting caught stealing, no shame where she lived because that is a closed community. she seems ok now because the money is flowing in.

If "salt of the earth" Dee moves back onto that street I will show my bare arse to Ant & Dec during a live takeaway.

Mamma Dee? (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-council-13000-theft-woman-46930)

If you have an ounce of humanity do not vote this charleton/thief/manipulator to win CBB.

Oh, forget that, just reminded myself who won the "Civilian"

[delta]

The other bushel they are all hiding under at the moment and have seized upon is the " We now realise it's a game"


I have said this from day 1 of BB, LIFE IS A GAME. of which we all take part. All that happens in the BB house is that they go in there with their guard up and for some it takes a few days for it to slip to reveal their real personalities, others a few hours. You are dealing with quantum maths, you cannot influence the outcome, just as in the real world, you can't keep 15 balls up in the air all at once, it will be, what it will be.

What you see when you see people in the BB house is the skills, dodges, happenings and experiences that they have learnt and endured in the outside world brought to play in a more confined space. It's all heightened by the close proximity and the claustrophobic atmosphere and the inability to escape from these people, which for the most, they don't get along with.


Nothing more or nothing less, it's the GAME OF LIFE, played out in a closed environment.

[Tip]

I don't know if Dee just said what she did to be in with the crowd, or if she said it because that's what she feels and believes. If it is what she feels and believes then she has a right to say it.

I find this overdone glorification of Gary, who I find to be a great housemate, a bit too much for me to deal with. I personally don't find him to be such a perfect human being. It's true he may have done a lot more than quite a few others in life - and maybe that's got him somewhere significant - which makes it very strange that he'd be playing the reality show circuit in his latter years.

Maybe it's more like Shakespeare said, that LIFE IS A STAGE.

[Ammi]

I don't know if Dee just said what she did to be in with the crowd, or if she said it because that's what she feels and believes. If it is what she feels and believes then she has a right to say it.

I find this overdone glorification of Gary, who I find to be a great housemate, a bit too much for me to deal with. I personally don't find him to be such a perfect human being. It's true he may have done a lot more than quite a few others in life - and maybe that's got him somewhere significant - which makes it very strange that he'd be playing the reality show circuit in his latter years.

Maybe it's more like Shakespeare said, that LIFE IS A STAGE.

..I think for me with Dee and that conversation was just silly things she said which made me feel she was just 'going with the crowd' which disappointed me because I have liked her so far...but it was just silly to say Gary had stormed off to the DR after being chosen for the scrapheap and it wasn't anything personal..of course it was personal, Leslie was asked to choose the least entertaining and other housemates were offering to be chosen because of Gary's age/health etc but Leslie just ignored them and chose Gary anyway because of their past differences/that's personal...also Kellie made much more of a fuss or an equal fuss in a different way..?...and Dee has nothing bad to say about her because they seem to have formed a bond..so she's not showing any tolerance to Gary....

..she also sais something like...'we all get on and like each other..'...really, are you in the same show that we're watching Dee..:laugh:...the conflicts have been quite monumental...

[Tip]

..I think for me with Dee and that conversation was just silly things she said which made me feel she was just 'going with the crowd' which disappointed me because I have liked her so far...but it was just silly to say Gary had stormed off to the DR after being chosen for the scrapheap and it wasn't anything personal..of course it was personal, Leslie was asked to choose the least entertaining and other housemates were offering to be chosen because of Gary's age/health etc but Leslie just ignored them and chose Gary anyway because of their past differences/that's personal...also Kellie made much more of a fuss or an equal fuss in a different way..?...and Dee has nothing bad to say about her because they seem to have formed a bond..so she's not showing any tolerance to Gary....

..she also sais something like...'we all get on and like each other..'...really, are you in the same show that we're watching Dee..:laugh:...the conflicts have been quite monumental...

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

[Ammi]

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

..I think the thing for me with many of these conversations with Gary is not so much that I can't see why others often get frustrated/irritated etc with him...it's more that I think other housemates show him zero tolerance whereas I think they would do for others, it's kind of got a bit extreme and because of that, they kind of lose validity in what they say...for me anyway...they just don't show him tolerance because they don't like him, so even if he had a point or was right about anything, I don't think they would see it...it just starts to become a very uncomfortable 'pack' situation ...

[Tip]

It's true, if you dislike someone you aren't necessarily going to give their opinions a lot of house room - probably quite a widespread human trait tbh?

To me it's more a query as to why they dislike him - I still haven't quite got what's behind that - apart from the aggravation of having to speak clearly and loudly and be prepared to repeat yourself.

[Ammi]

It's true, if you dislike someone you aren't necessarily going to give their opinions a lot of house room - probably quite a widespread human trait tbh?

To me it's more a query as to why they dislike him - I still haven't quite got what's behind that - apart from the aggravation of having to speak clearly and loudly and be prepared to repeat yourself.

..I think the speaking more clearly etc and repeating themselves is a part of it and what they probably find irritating but I also think that Gary is a different 'type' of person/housemate to the 'norm' of either celebrity or civilian...not in a 'oh I'm a big Hollywood Star' type way..:laugh:...but just that through his life experiences, he can't be bothered to engage in the smaller stuff that housemates do just I guess because of the type of environment...like the little bitches/groans and gripes etc...you know, when people do that together and commonly agree on things, it's a bond forming of types and I think Gary takes himself off from all of that...I also think he likes to chat about 'deeper' things in general...whereas the others are more thinking in terms of 'the game/show' because they're just more aware in general of BB than he is....

[Patricia4]

I think Dee voted for him being least favourite housemate and the most manipulative because he's a easy target she knew the rest of the housemates would laugh and she knew they would stick up for her.There is nothing nice about Dee she is very sly she even ran Leslie down to Kellie so why didn't she vote him.

[Tip]

..I think the speaking more clearly etc and repeating themselves is a part of it and what they probably find irritating but I also think that Gary is a different 'type' of person/housemate to the 'norm' of either celebrity or civilian...not in a 'oh I'm a big Hollywood Star' type way..:laugh:...but just that through his life experiences, he can't be bothered to engage in the smaller stuff that housemates do just I guess because of the type of environment...like the little bitches/groans and gripes etc...you know, when people do that together and commonly agree on things, it's a bond forming of types and I think Gary takes himself off from all of that...I also think he likes to chat about 'deeper' things in general...whereas the others are more thinking in terms of 'the game/show' because they're just more aware in general of BB than he is....

Perhaps, but I find it hard to think that Gary isn't aware - he's on this reality show circuit for whatever reason - and I don't really think he doesn't know. It could just be a case of dealing with it differently.

Maybe it's true that he isn't that interested in chit chat - it might have been interesting if they'd had a philosopher of some sort in the house too, although I suspect that Gary may not have been interested in that type of discussion either, but I'm easily wrong.

I like Gary as a housemate, but I certainly wouldn't like to be living with him 24/7. It's fine to put yourself out for a while when you find someone "hard work" but you do need time to get away from them. They seemed to make their decisions about him pretty quickly though.

[Ammi]

Perhaps, but I find it hard to think that Gary isn't aware - he's on this reality show circuit for whatever reason - and I don't really think he doesn't know. It could just be a case of dealing with it differently.

Maybe it's true that he isn't that interested in chit chat - it might have been interesting if they'd had a philosopher of some sort in the house too, although I suspect that Gary may not have been interested in that type of discussion either, but I'm easily wrong.

I like Gary as a housemate, but I certainly wouldn't like to be living with him 24/7. It's fine to put yourself out for a while when you find someone "hard work" but you do need time to get away from them. They seemed to make their decisions about him pretty quickly though.

..oh I agree, as much as I like Gary, it would be hard to be around him all of the time and have to repeat yourself etc and explain yourself constantly because he doesn't understand...?..and that's the thing with the BB house, you can't get away and it's all so intensified etc...I think I would like to see more tolerance from some of the slightly older housemates at least rather than zero tolerance which is how it's coming across atm..it's hard though Tip because that balance of tolerance could be there and we're just not being shown it or it could be that they're 'heard Gary's story' and been interested etc but get impatient and annoyed that they feel he brings it up in conversations often which they don't feel is relevant...there is just so much we don't see of the other 23 hours each day and we can only comment on the things we do which may not give anything accurately...I think that's why I can never really dislike housemates either and hate when they're booed because it's all what BB have engineered for them, you know...darn BB..:fist:...

[jaxie]

Dee was yelling and pointing her finger at Gary. How come James didn't run over and tell her that people don't do that in THIS country.

This.

[jaxie]

I like to save my adulation for people like Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa, but you obviously admire the man greatly and that is fine too. I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other parts but what I really wanted to know was why he is thought to be so profound spiritually. He said he has genius and brilliance, that he has knowledge not known to us - but he doesn't expand on that, he just states it as a fact as if that is enough - but it isn't. And he does it in such as way as to come across superior spiritually which can rub people the wrong way if he keeps saying it as if that should shut anyone up and no more needs to be said...

Maybe he would expand on it if anyone would let him get a word in without shouting at him and rolling their eyes. I'm not a believer but he clearly believes his thing and I think its right to respect others beliefs even if you don't share them it means a lot to them.

[jaxie]

Well said my friend.


I thought I would pop on here to find everyone lauding Dee for me she went way down in my estimation of her. She also set out her declaration, one of, her not being in it just for the sake of it, she's in it to win it. The public attack on Gary last night was uncalled for and unwarranted, you could see, just as Kelly had the opportunity to attack Leslie, she seized upon her chance to stick the knife into Gary. Obviously, they all have something to protect, their image. Some more than others could be potentially harmed by what is said in there and I think, as much as she said was untrue, it could harm him on the outside.

This man is 30 years their senior and they talk to him as if he's some sort of beggar on the street. Make no wonder our care homes are the way they are, and the elderly in this country are cast aside. What we witnessed by James Jordan on numerous occasions and Dee last night was the abuse of an aging gentleman who should command more respect, not only because of what he's done but reverence to his 3 score years plus 10 on this earth. I was truly disgusted the way she talked to him then flounced off as if he was a lump of dog sh!t she'd just managed to extract from her shoe. To add insult to injury-almost immediately she then proceeded to denigrate him to others.

She is what she is- street scum.

That.

[jaxie]

..I think the thing for me with many of these conversations with Gary is not so much that I can't see why others often get frustrated/irritated etc with him...it's more that I think other housemates show him zero tolerance whereas I think they would do for others, it's kind of got a bit extreme and because of that, they kind of lose validity in what they say...for me anyway...they just don't show him tolerance because they don't like him, so even if he had a point or was right about anything, I don't think they would see it...it just starts to become a very uncomfortable 'pack' situation ...

This is why Gary supporters are becoming so passionate. I think Gary is a little eccentric and he may even be irritating to live with but so are a lot of people. The way he is being treated and dismissed bothers me a lot. Its not about him being perfect, its about them being intolerant and unkind.

I find it pretty disturbing that Stephanie can throw out the comments she is and not get called on it once. Are people so superficial about a pretty face that it is acceptable for her to be rude and cruel but others condemn Gary when he isn't the one calling Stephanie an animal, a pet and telling her he doesn't like her. I am developing a great deal of respect for how Gary is handling himself. I think most of us would be in tears if we had to put up with what he is.

[booboomartin]

...I've liked Dee so far but really..?...he takes things too seriously..?...the 'intolerances' he could have taken seriously and cried victim/moped about/bitched about but all he's done is brushed them aside and got on with his time in there and 'judged' people the way others have done....


..and he shouldn't take it personally/they all like each other..?...well look at your friend Kellie, there Dee..taking it personally..??...pftttt...and no Dee..are you blind and deaf, you do not all like each other at all, that's the most ridiculous thing..trying to put things in a positive way is one thing but let's not be silly now....


..and all he was trying to tell you is that it was 'his truth' from his experiences and how he sees things and what's important/unimportant to him....raise your voice to his hearing impairment but stop raising it to talk over him ....and James take things in good humour...?...is that even meant to be taken seriously....

very well said, I totally agree.:cheer2::cheer2:

[Jules2]

Maybe he would expand on it if anyone would let him get a word in without shouting at him and rolling their eyes. I'm not a believer but he clearly believes his thing and I think its right to respect others beliefs even if you don't share them it means a lot to them.

I am a believer, but your words are true.

I think what Gary is trying to do is to justify the fact that he doesnt want to argue and to have bad friendships. To obtain the true spiritual factor love and forgiveness comes into the mix. Now as I said I believe but I take myself to task as I am human and I let myself down so much. Gary is trying to live his belief for the benefit of the ALL.

He is very brave tbh as not one of them, with the exception of Frenchy, have any time for him. He is trying to put over the factor of forgiveness, do not hurt another but of course, it is the BB house where nastiness is the play of the day. It wont gel in there as they read something different into his words.

Judy James looks for someone winning, her choice was Dee! She never won a thing because she did not understand what he was trying to say, she just talked him down then could not finish the debate, she was a coward. She went back to her sheep pen.

With James it is a task, possibly for the benefit of the cameras, I think deep down when he thinks about it he may eventually have some respect for Gary. Gary tends to go to him and James, even though he wont admit it, felt for Gary in the balloon test. James is just another part of the sheep pen and another coward.

[Jules2]

I heard him saying tonight about being touched with genius (I agree with you I heard that wrongly at first) and that he had died twice etc, but I didn't see the relevance of that in the argument they were having? Did you? Why does he have to bring up his out of body experiences and knowledge etc at every opportunity? (Sorry for all the questions)

I also missed an episode and haven't had time to watch it, so if he expanded on the 'knowledge' that he possessed it must have been in that one. What did he say? I really want to know, I'm dying to know in fact. I'm very interested and curious about what actually makes him tick and not just what he implies makes him tick, if that makes sense.

Imo what he is trying to do is to explain why he feels the way he does. When people have massive experiences it is difficult not to try and live them because no matter what the experience cannot be taken away. He is trying to get them to see why, it is simple as that. I have often said things but have been accused of preaching but that was far from the truth. There is a way to overcome our trials and tribulations, to accept them but to overcome and to go on. We are so much more than we look. The trouble is others do not understand and none of them, especially Dee, will understand because she does not see the reason behind his intent.

The thing is until we experience we cannot understand the ticking of anothers mind it is easier just to disregard it as the HMs are doing. In this case though curiosity will not kill the cat, it will lead to great discoveries and one of the ways to begin is to meditate. It is good to question and not to close any doors.

[poppsywoppsy]

My thoughts were, who is Dee to try and tell Gary anything.

What has she done which is so special that she can advise someone who has had a career stretching over decades, made it through illness and accidents, yet has come through it all, damaged but still functioning.

She has sat on her backside pontificating whilst actually doing nothing at all and living off taxpayers handouts. She is all too quick with her mouth but lacking in actions. By not being at work and having to work in a hierarchy, she speaks as if her contributions to society are as equal as those who have worked all their lives and earned that right.

She may be a warm caring person, couldn't we all be in her situation, of course we could but when it comes to her telling others what they can and cannot do, she should remember that she could do with the same dose of home truths she doles out to others.

[mary poppins]

For god sakes the man needs to shut up about himself!! They are probably all sick of listening to him going on about the genius in him and being to the other side..people dont want to listen to that all the time...he's thinks hes superior to the rest of them because of this!

[Jules2]

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

Ah the thing is though, he is being upfront and not talking about anyone behind their backs. It could have gone better had Dee been able to cope with being on her own in a situation but she was away from her sheep pen.

[delta]

I am a believer, but your words are true.

I think what Gary is trying to do is to justify the fact that he doesnt want to argue and to have bad friendships. To obtain the true spiritual factor love and forgiveness comes into the mix. Now as I said I believe but I take myself to task as I am human and I let myself down so much. Gary is trying to live his belief for the benefit of the ALL.

He is very brave tbh as not one of them, with the exception of Frenchy, have any time for him. He is trying to put over the factor of forgiveness, do not hurt another but of course, it is the BB house where nastiness is the play of the day. It wont gel in there as they read something different into his words.

Judy James looks for someone winning, her choice was Dee! She never won a thing because she did not understand what he was trying to say, she just talked him down then could not finish the debate, she was a coward. She went back to her sheep pen.

With James it is a task, possibly for the benefit of the cameras, I think deep down when he thinks about it he may eventually have some respect for Gary. Gary tends to go to him and James, even though he wont admit it, felt for Gary in the balloon test. James is just another part of the sheep pen and another coward.

James Jordan has a clear problem with authority and deep down is a scared little boy, notice he finds great solace in the friendship of George, a non threatening Beta Male. Where upon he actively seeks confrontation with most of the other males in the house. ( I wonder if he was abused when he was smaller or bullied at school, he's showing all the symptoms of one of those two?) Or maybe it's because he was booted of strictly- after many warnings- by older men with grey hair.

I had a grandad who was deaf and of course old, and it was an effort repeating yourself time and time again, but not once did I get angry with him or treat him like he was some buffoon. You just have to be more patient and understanding after all " walk a mile in their shoes" and for those that have noted the Irish girl for her understanding are correct, in as much, it doesnt' take an awful lot to have a bit of time to talk to someone. You also, and a lot of people are conveniently forgetting, is that this man has brain damage. Now this alters you in so many ways, mood swings, forgetfulness etc, { You could argue strongly that if that is the case then he shouldn't be in there, but he is} so they have to deal with it.

If you took Gary away from CBB, it would be a whole poorer place with out him imho.

[Fendertele]

Perhaps Gary should offer to finish her 'haircut'....I mean she could do that act, turn one way and she's a man, turn the other she's a woman, Tommy Cooper used to do it....

[Vanessa]

Someone on the Gary fan page wrotethis. What does everyone think? She has a point. Dee is just a sheep.

"feel free to correct me..but did Dee not contradict herself...she said "gary is manipulative housemate"...then goes onto to say later to others "he cant manipulate anything he full of ****"?..make your mind up!!...or was that game plan from dee..."

[Kizzy]

I'm disappointed in dee, I would have thought as savvy as she is she would've caught on that gary is being isolated by james, steph and leslie and stepped in to counter that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well done Dee !! has this lazy gett washed a pot since he went in there ?

[Jules2]

James Jordan has a clear problem with authority and deep down is a scared little boy, notice he finds great solace in the friendship of George, a non threatening Beta Male. Where upon he actively seeks confrontation with most of the other males in the house. ( I wonder if he was abused when he was smaller or bullied at school, he's showing all the symptoms of one of those two?) Or maybe it's because he was booted of strictly- after many warnings- by older men with grey hair.

I had a grandad who was deaf and of course old, and it was an effort repeating yourself time and time again, but not once did I get angry with him or treat him like he was some buffoon. You just have to be more patient and understanding after all " walk a mile in their shoes" and for those that have noted the Irish girl for her understanding are correct, in as much, it doesnt' take an awful lot to have a bit of time to talk to someone. You also, and a lot of people are conveniently forgetting, is that this man has brain damage. Now this alters you in so many ways, mood swings, forgetfulness etc, { You could argue strongly that if that is the case then he shouldn't be in there, but he is} so they have to deal with it.

If you took Gary away from CBB, it would be a whole poorer place with out him imho.

I personally havent forgotten anything at all, I have watched his videos after his accident and tbh I find them very revealing about the man himself. It is a fact that we only use a part of our brain. The left is, I believe, for the nitty gritty but the right is for the more interesting things of life, the adventurous, the artistic side. To reach the very highest of the highest heights, which most cannot, the two sides should work together but we stay within our own comfy corners. So what was Gary's brain injury, has he become a different person? He certainly isnt as "stupid" as they want to make out. For me I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he overcame and he is finding himself. Something which we will all do eventually, be comfortable in our own skins.

Bless your grandad, he must have loved you very much.

[Vanessa]

I personally havent forgotten anything at all, I have watched his videos after his accident and tbh I find them very revealing about the man himself. It is a fact that we only use a part of our brain. The left is, I believe, for the nitty gritty but the right is for the more interesting things of life, the adventurous, the artistic side. To reach the very highest of the highest heights, which most cannot, the two sides should work together but we stay within our own comfy corners. So what was Gary's brain injury, has he become a different person? He certainly isnt as "stupid" as they want to make out. For me I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he overcame and he is finding himself. Something which we will all do eventually, be comfortable in our own skins.

You have a point. He's a different person now because of his accident. A better one and he values life now. :)

[Vanessa]

Very disappointed in Dee last night. She's entitled to her opinions, but it annoys me that she only chose Gary to please the group.

[chuff me dizzy]

For god sakes the man needs to shut up about himself!! They are probably all sick of listening to him going on about the genius in him and being to the other side..people dont want to listen to that all the time...he's thinks hes superior to the rest of them because of this!

:clap1:

[Vanessa]

Housemates all think they're superior to Gary anyway. :laugh:

[Beso]

My thoughts were, who is Dee to try and tell Gary anything.

What has she done which is so special that she can advise someone who has had a career stretching over decades, made it through illness and accidents, yet has come through it all, damaged but still functioning.

She has sat on her backside pontificating whilst actually doing nothing at all and living off taxpayers handouts. She is all too quick with her mouth but lacking in actions. By not being at work and having to work in a hierarchy, she speaks as if her contributions to society are as equal as those who have worked all their lives and earned that right.

She may be a warm caring person, couldn't we all be in her situation, of course we could but when it comes to her telling others what they can and cannot do, she should remember that she could do with the same dose of home truths she doles out to others.

SO YOU NEED A JOB TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE IN SOCIETY.:sleep:

[the truth]

the irony is dee if 100 times more arrogant and impatient than gary, yet all shes done is sit on her lard ass all her life and smoke, whereas gary has worked is backside off his whole life.... yet depsite all his achievements it is gary is 100 times more patient, modest and more sincere.

[Vanessa]

the irony is dee if 100 times more arrogant and impatient than gary, yet all shes done is sit on her lard ass all her life and smoke, whereas gary has worked is backside off his whole life.... yet depsite all his achievements it is gary is 100 times more patient, modest and more sincere.

:clap2:

[Josy]

I'm in no way saying Gary is an innocent 100% of the time, who is? and yeah he has a big ego, the majority of these celebs do as we have seen in the house.

But Dee actually said to a partially deaf man she is 'sick of repeating herself' I mean really? come on.

[Pincho Paxton]

the irony is dee if 100 times more arrogant and impatient than gary, yet all shes done is sit on her lard ass all her life and smoke, whereas gary has worked is backside off his whole life.... yet depsite all his achievements it is gary is 100 times more patient, modest and more sincere.

So lazy she shortened her name down to just the first letter.

[the truth]

I'm in no way saying Gary is an innocent 100% of the time, who is? and yeah he has a big ego, the majority of these celebs do as we have seen in the house.

But Dee actually said to a partially deaf man she is 'sick of repeating herself' I mean really? come on.

and she started talking faster to get out of the conversation, knowing full well she couldnt possibly justify her cowardly decisions........she started raising her voice then desperately looked for a way out....what was the excuse? oh her tea was bad, then she did the ultimate cowards thing , eye rolling and mocking gary to others at the kitchen , the fck ill be back to talk to you she said to a polite and sincere request from gary. short term winner, long term loser.

[Josy]

and she started talking faster to get out of the conversation, knowing full well she couldnt possibly justify her cowardly decisions

Eurgh you just reminded me of something actually..

You know what REALLY annoys me?

When anyone having a disagreement with Gary walks away mumbling insults when they know he can't hear them 90% of the time, completely disrespectful IMO.

Dee done it too.

[the truth]

Eurgh you just reminded me of something actually..

You know what REALLY annoys me?

When anyone having a disagreement with Gary walks away mumbling insults when they know he can't hear them 90% of the time, completely disrespectful IMO.

Dee done it too.

and judy james said, dee won? won what? the worlds rudest nobody prize? judy james must be mental!

[CaudleHalbard]

I don't think any of us viewers realise quite how unpopular Gary is with all his fellow housemates.

It's often the way with these pseudo-spiritual types. If he was genuinely spritual, as opposed to having a couple of bad experiences in hospital, he would be unlikely to even talk about it.

His age and deafness have nothing to do with the matter.

[the truth]

I don't think any of us viewers realise quite how unpopular Gary is with all his fellow housemates.

It's often the way with these pseudo-spiritual types. If he was genuinely spritual, as opposed to having a couple of bad experiences in hospital, he would be unlikely to even talk about it.

His age and deafness have nothing to do with the matter.

theyre mostly a bunch of ignoramuses.

its jealousy, ignorance, impatience, selfish self centredness, anti americanism too

[Pincho Paxton]

I don't think any of us viewers realise quite how unpopular Gary is with all his fellow housemates.

It's often the way with these pseudo-spiritual types. If he was genuinely spritual, as opposed to having a couple of bad experiences in hospital, he would be unlikely to even talk about it.

His age and deafness have nothing to do with the matter.

He died, he had brain surgery, and he had visions. He was a great actor. Talking about his life should be interesting.

[lime]

Dee really annoyed me at the end when she told him to taste his tea as she walked off and Gary asked her to come back so they could speak more as Josy said insulted gary knowing he could not hear her to the delight of Stephanie and I think it was james

[Robodog]

I'm in no way saying Gary is an innocent 100% of the time, who is? and yeah he has a big ego, the majority of these celebs do as we have seen in the house.

But Dee actually said to a partially deaf man she is 'sick of repeating herself' I mean really? come on.

I forgot about that. Yeah that was awful.

She said that as one of her reasons for choosing him as 'worst housemate'.

Sick of repeating herself - to a partially deaf man??

1 out of 10 for tolerance, patience and understanding then, Dee.

Maybe she's not this great mother/agony aunt figure after all then!

[the truth]

Dee really annoyed me at the end when she told him to taste his tea as she walked off and Gary asked her to come back so they could speak more as Josy said insulted gary knowing he could not hear her to the delight of Stephanie and I think it was james

the said the fck i will come back to talk to you, out of earshot....horrible bully
after the balloon task where gary made a fantastic effort jumping around fighting with demonic balloons, all dee could say was
A Hollywood ******ing actor and he can’t even pretend he’s scared of balloons,” remarked Dee in after the task concluded.

whata lazy workless boring nasty petty impatience ignorant bullying chimney pot

:sleep:

[the truth]

I forgot about that. Yeah that was awful.

She said that as one of her reasons for choosing him as 'worst housemate'.

Sick of repeating herself - to a partially deaf man??

1 out of 10 for tolerance, patience and understanding then, Dee.

Maybe she's not this great mother/agony aunt figure after all then!

whata great example to kids , what a role model?
workless , lazy, chainsmoker, ignorant, impatient, judgemental, sly, verbally abusive, anti american, group bully

[HBB1508]

Dee showing her true colours - the caring mask didn't stay in place for very long.

[the truth]

gary is touched by genius because 1 by 1 it is he and he alone who is revealing the people behind their masks....great work from the buseynator

[Vanessa]

gary is touched by genius because 1 by 1 it is he and he alone who is revealing the people behind their masks....great work from the buseynator

:laugh:

[jet]

gary is touched by genius because 1 by 1 it is he and he alone who is revealing the people behind their masks....great work from the buseynator

That could also mean that he brings out the worst in people. Not such good work from a so - called spiritually enlightened man surely?

Just playing devil's advocate here. :think:

[the truth]

That could also mean that he brings out the worst in people. Not such good work from a so - called spiritually enlightened man surely?

Just playing devil's advocate here. :think:

its really up to them what they reveal...one things for sure , busey reveals the truth in other people. in some cases that truth is ugly , possibly evil

[jet]

its really up to them what they reveal...one things for sure , busey reveals the truth in other people. in some cases that truth is ugly , possibly evil

:umm2:

[poppsywoppsy]

SO YOU NEED A JOB TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE IN SOCIETY.:sleep:

It does help or if everyone did the same as Dee, where do you think we all would be, like it or not, you need money from earnings to keep society fed and watered.

As for Gary, some people say he is manipulative but my point is that when he is able to hear, he responds to it but if he can't hear when several conversations go on all at once, he can be seen trying to work it out. I think he is dreadfully misunderstood and isolated in there.

[reece(:]

Eurgh you just reminded me of something actually..

You know what REALLY annoys me?

When anyone having a disagreement with Gary walks away mumbling insults when they know he can't hear them 90% of the time, completely disrespectful IMO.

Dee done it too.
Drag those disrespectful hos :clap1:

[the truth]

It does help or if everyone did the same as Dee, where do you think we all would be, like it or not, you need money from earnings to keep society fed and watered.

As for Gary, some people say he is manipulative but my point is that when he is ables to hear, he responds to it but if he can't hear when several conversations go on all at once, he can be seen trying to work it out. I think he is dreadfully misunderstood and isolated in there.

yes you do need a job to contribute to society. if youre sick or seriously disabled and cat work thats different. but many people who are sick and seriously disabled still do work , in some cases disabled people are better at their jobs than the so called able bodied , or raise funds for charity. look at that legend of a bloke stephen sutton who raise millions for cancer as he himself was dying. it puts into perspective a healthy able bodied person sick on the anus for decades smoking and drinking and doing nothing, free houses, free heating, free water, free prescriptions, free rent, free council taxes, plus tax free income.....living off the fat of the land or rather living off the lifetime of work of others like gary busey

[Fosse]

I quite liked Dee up until her attack on one of my idols.

[mary poppins]

So basically the majority of hm are wrong?
They had a task, dee answered the questions, Gary didn't like the answers so.now dee is horrible and Gary is being treated badly! Gary is playing the victim since day one..he can't take criticism...he can do no wrong....there are lots of other people who say they have been to the other side but don't feel the need to ram it down peoples throats. It doesn't make him more spiritual than anyone else...and being 70 is not an excuse for rudeness....he keeps ssshhhin and interrupting people in there!

[jaxie]

[QUOTE=mary poppins;7215645]So basically the majority of hm are wrong?
They had a task, dee answered the questions, Gary didn't like the answers so.now dee is horrible and Gary is being treated badly! Gary is playing the victim since day one..he can't take criticism...he can do no wrong....there are lots of other people who say they have been to the other side but don't feel the need to ram it down peoples throats. It doesn't make him more spiritual than anyone else...and being 70 is not an excuse for rudeness....he keeps ssshhhin and interrupting people in there![/QUOTE

I don't know what show you are watching with your rosy colored glasses on but it isn't the same one as me.

[mary poppins]

I'm watching BB why what are u watching?

[jet]

So basically the majority of hm are wrong?
They had a task, dee answered the questions, Gary didn't like the answers so.now dee is horrible and Gary is being treated badly! Gary is playing the victim since day one..he can't take criticism...he can do no wrong....there are lots of other people who say they have been to the other side but don't feel the need to ram it down peoples throats. It doesn't make him more spiritual than anyone else...and being 70 is not an excuse for rudeness....he keeps ssshhhin and interrupting people in there!

There is a lot of truth in what you say....though despite all that I like him and think he's a fascinating HM....and some of the others are rude and have massive egos as well. And Dee was wrong for getting at Gary for not wanting to sleep outside. That was pretty heartless.

[mary poppins]

Don't get me wrong I have always loved Gary busey but I'm disappointed with the way he's behaving...BB will always say if someone can't do something on medical grounds...Gary jumped straight away and said I'm not going out I've had brain surgery...he actually does interrupt people...he aske s James to stand up...James asks why, he replies "because I asked you to"????? ...he is pushing all the wrong buttons in there and people are fed up of him.
needs to play the game without complaining

[Ellen]

yes you do need a job to contribute to society. if youre sick or seriously disabled and cat work thats different. but many people who are sick and seriously disabled still do work , in some cases disabled people are better at their jobs than the so called able bodied , or raise funds for charity. look at that legend of a bloke stephen sutton who raise millions for cancer as he himself was dying. it puts into perspective a healthy able bodied person sick on the anus for decades smoking and drinking and doing nothing, l taxesfree houses, free heating, free water, free prescriptions, free rent, free counci, plus tax free income.....living off the fat of the land or rather living off the lifetime of work of others like gary busey

This is not true any more. Apart from a certain section anyone who is not working for any reason has to pay their own water,gas,electric,phone bills. They pay part of their council tax and they also pay some of the rent.
They still get free prescriptions & dentistry though.

[Marcus.]

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive 4m
5.34pm: Gary and Dee are making up. They just high-fived. #BBUKLive

[Ellen]

So basically the majority of hm are wrong?
They had a task, dee answered the questions, Gary didn't like the answers so.now dee is horrible and Gary is being treated badly! Gary is playing the victim since day one..he can't take criticism...he can do no wrong....there are lots of other people who say they have been to the other side but don't feel the need to ram it down peoples throats. It doesn't make him more spiritual than anyone else...and being 70 is not an excuse for rudeness....he keeps ssshhhin and interrupting people in there!

I dont think anyone has said he cant do any wrong. In fact most say he probably can be a pain to live with from time to time like everybody else can be. I dont actually believe all of them dont like him, there is a few and the rest have followed like sheep because they cant be arsed getting to know him properly and they dont want the other hm's turning on them.

[Ellen]

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive 4m
5.34pm: Gary and Dee are making up. They just high-fived. #BBUKLive

Yes because she thinks he will be leaving.

[Livia]

Yes because she thinks he will be leaving.

I'm so looking forward to seeing their faces tonight...

[Ellen]

I'm so looking forward to seeing their faces tonight...

Oh yes, me too :laugh:

[Pincho Paxton]

I think they talked about Gary leaving a few days ago, and decided that he was very entertaining, and unlikely to be leaving.

[puzzled]

I'm so looking forward to seeing their faces tonight...

So am I. :devil:

[Marcus.]

same and put in a gif

[jet]

I think they talked about Gary leaving a few days ago, and decided that he was very entertaining, and unlikely to be leaving.

Yes, they did and they are right, he's going nowhere except straight to the final! :)

[Ruffle]

I just don't get how these people are missing the obvious. The man objected to the scrapheap because of his health. He is far more able to determine what he is able to do than they are, he is living in his body.

If anyone else had the same conversation with her in the house she wouldn't have gotten angry, its like a pack mentality with them now that Gary is bad therefore any point of view he has is wrong. I just want to shake some sense in them all.

What point Gary is taking a nice big check for beng n the bb house Gary refuses to lissen to people he is clever he knows he is winding them up people will only be able to make excuses for him for so long he does come over as being very difficult to live with m feeling is that is what he is being paid to do in the bb house he has told the hms he will be there till the end how does he no that think about it he can't ops ably be that difficult to lve with there has to be a reason for his behievior

[Fosse]

I can't wait for tonight's eviction and the crowd's booing.

[mary poppins]

Gary has to have had a medical before he went in...he's had brain surgery, BB are NOT going to make him do things he can't do

[Northern Monkey]

I like Dee but when I watched this last night my first thought was she took the easy/cowards way out in that task, she chose Gary because he was the easy option there and she didn't want to upset any of the other housemates IMO.

Yes!These were my thoughts exactly.:clap1: