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Scream
26-08-2014, 08:52 AM
People online seem to all be on board of the 'Gary's being bullied' bandwagon but are people sure that's the case?
Even though a lot of people will follow the crowd, isn't it weird that almost all of the house apart from Frency...who is a troublemaker herself, seem to dislike Gary.
I understand that Gary has a mental illness and might react in a different way to one of the other housemates but in all honestly, why would you want to be around someone who you're living with for 24/7 when they constantly tell you to be quiet so they can speak or make you sit there for ages while they explain to you about how they've lived for 32 past lives. It might be okay if you could disagree and add input but Gary doesn't let people do that.
I think Gary is the main problem here and I'm not really sure if he should be put in. I dislike James and find him a little bit too eager for an argument but the other day Gary was going on and on to start an argument and it was very clear what he was doing but people on twitter still claimed that James was bullying Gary? :shrug:
Jules2
26-08-2014, 09:09 AM
People online seem to all be on board of the 'Gary's being bullied' bandwagon but are people sure that's the case?
Even though a lot of people will follow the crowd, isn't it weird that almost all of the house apart from Frency...who is a troublemaker herself, seem to dislike Gary.
I understand that Gary has a mental illness and might react in a different way to one of the other housemates but in all honestly, why would you want to be around someone who you're living with for 24/7 when they constantly tell you to be quiet so they can speak or make you sit there for ages while they explain to you about how they've lived for 32 past lives. It might be okay if you could disagree and add input but Gary doesn't let people do that.
I think Gary is the main problem here and I'm not really sure if he should be put in. I dislike James and find him a little bit too eager for an argument but the other day Gary was going on and on to start an argument and it was very clear what he was doing but people on twitter still claimed that James was bullying Gary? :shrug:
I personally do not think it is a case of bullying, it is a case of having empathy and understanding. Of course he should be in there, he is, so far as I am concerned, the star of the show. Because he is 70 does not mean to say he is 70 within, age is only numbers. He has a disability which makes him sound aggressive at times but he has a lovely way of turning everything around to his own advantage.
He enjoyed the scrap heap because it was less noise and he could chat to the others on a one to one basis, he felt safer than the main house. It is a very difficult thing and the others should feel blessed that they do not have the same disability, mind you who knows where any of them will be in a few years time. Will they be healthy etc. etc. no matter what they will want the support of those around them, sadly what goes around sometimes comes around.
Ellen
26-08-2014, 09:26 AM
People online seem to all be on board of the 'Gary's being bullied' bandwagon but are people sure that's the case?
Even though a lot of people will follow the crowd, isn't it weird that almost all of the house apart from Frency...who is a troublemaker herself, seem to dislike Gary.
I understand that Gary has a mental illness and might react in a different way to one of the other housemates but in all honestly, why would you want to be around someone who you're living with for 24/7 when they constantly tell you to be quiet so they can speak or make you sit there for ages while they explain to you about how they've lived for 32 past lives. It might be okay if you could disagree and add input but Gary doesn't let people do that.
I think Gary is the main problem here and I'm not really sure if he should be put in. I dislike James and find him a little bit too eager for an argument but the other day Gary was going on and on to start an argument and it was very clear what he was doing but people on twitter still claimed that James was bullying Gary? :shrug:
I dont know where the bullying comes from but i wouldnt say it was bullying. It is more that they are lacking any tolerance or care of someone who struggles with some things. He has difficulty hearing when in a group situation and when he is talking he has to tell people to listen because they speak over him. Yes he can say some things that dont sound nice, after all he isnt perfect. James is gobby & argumentative, he has said not so nice things, Kellie has said some awful stuff, Stephanie can say nasty stuff as does Leslie. Have any HM's ignored them, called them names, deliberately tried to belittle? No they have not.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 09:31 AM
It's not bullying at all.. If anything, i see this situation with 'Gary vs the house' as a bunch of people struggling to put up with an insufferable man who thinks he's always right and knows everything about the world.
Yes he's 70 years old, yes he has brain damage, yes he is a legend, yes he might be a bit slow on the uptake because of all these things, but none of those things excuse the fact that he is rude and obnoxious.
If he has so much life experience as a 70 year old, how does he not know how to behave and speak to people properly? idgi.
Gary reminds me a lot of my Bampy who died a few years ago, he was a gentle person.. but he had no social awareness at all and thought he could get away with it because of his age and hearing problems, people always tried their best to deal with him, to help him with everything that he needed or wanted, but in the end he'd turn round and say the wrong things to people and upset them and never apologise because he thought he didn't do anything wrong, it's incredibly hard to deal with, so I, in all honesty can see why the housemates are getting annoyed by Gary, they have tried to help him and talk to him but he just doesn't seem to understand that his attitude is a major problem.
poppsywoppsy
26-08-2014, 09:36 AM
Isn't it also a bit of cultural difference as well as the previous points made in this thread. I agree that James is so quick to take offence and then wants to carry it on and on.
Gary needs time to adjust to British ways and with diminished hearing, he is struggling.
I think James is aware of this but with his volatile nature cannot give Gary some leeway when he struggles.
James was volatile in SCD, given the boot for it at the end, so it is not just the Gary situation which pushes his buttons, it is his nature and it is not a pleasant thing to watch when he ridicules a man with mental and health problems.
jessicadanielle
26-08-2014, 09:36 AM
I understand that Gary has a mental illness and might react in a different way to one of the other housemates but in all honestly, why would you want to be around someone who you're living with for 24/7 when they constantly tell you to be quiet so they can speak or make you sit there for ages while they explain to you about how they've lived for 32 past lives. It might be okay if you could disagree and add input but Gary doesn't let people do that.
I don't think James is bullying Gary, he's just being a d**kh**d :tongue:
But I do agree with the paragraph above. Gary is no saint. I don't know if it's due to his brain injury, but he does seem unwilling to let others speak sometimes, and quite opinionated to the point of not listening to others' opinions.
On the other hand, some of them are being mean to him when he's not being like this, and have a constant attitude towards Gary. So while I think Gary is partly a source of the problem, they are completely intolerant of him. Nobody seems to have an attitude with anybody else (apart from Frenchy but she's something else!) when surely they'd have all rubbed each other up the wrong way living together 24/7. They only seemed to "turn on eachother" when Gary and Frenchy were sent to the scrapheap and they all had to pick somebody else to be pissed off at haha.
Livia
26-08-2014, 09:56 AM
No. There's nothing more to say.
Jules2
26-08-2014, 09:57 AM
It's not bullying at all.. If anything, i see this situation with 'Gary vs the house' as a bunch of people struggling to put up with an insufferable man who thinks he's always right and knows everything about the world.
Yes he's 70 years old, yes he has brain damage, yes he is a legend, yes he might be a bit slow on the uptake because of all these things, but none of those things excuse the fact that he is rude and obnoxious.
If he has so much life experience as a 70 year old, how does he not know how to behave and speak to people properly? idgi.
Gary reminds me a lot of my Bampy who died a few years ago, he was a gentle person.. but he had no social awareness at all and thought he could get away with it because of his age and hearing problems, people always tried their best to deal with him, to help him with everything that he needed or wanted, but in the end he'd turn round and say the wrong things to people and upset them and never apologise because he thought he didn't do anything wrong, it's incredibly hard to deal with, so I, in all honesty can see why the housemates are getting annoyed by Gary, they have tried to help him and talk to him but he just doesn't seem to understand that his attitude is a major problem.
I cannot see that he is insufferable, he seems to listen, didnt he shower when he was told to :cheer2: He just needs someone to understand and not make fun of him. To be deaf is to not be able to understand a conversation in bulk, as we know, it is a very lonely thing. He is better on a one to one basis but they seem to walk away. Remember Sam who won against Dexter, I didnt like him at all but he said that no one would talk to him, now he was a young person. He felt left out because of his disabilty. Very sad but he won.
Jules2
26-08-2014, 10:01 AM
Isn't it also a bit of cultural difference as well as the previous points made in this thread. I agree that James is so quick to take offence and then wants to carry it on and on.
Gary needs time to adjust to British ways and with diminished hearing, he is struggling.
I think James is aware of this but with his volatile nature cannot give Gary some leeway when he struggles.
James was volatile in SCD, given the boot for it at the end, so it is not just the Gary situation which pushes his buttons, it is his nature and it is not a pleasant thing to watch when he ridicules a man with mental and health problems.
I know many keep on saying mental health problems but, I do not think he has. He wouldnt have been allowed to take part I am sure, either by his agents or the powers that be in BB.
Livia
26-08-2014, 10:03 AM
It shows the depth of misunderstand of hearing loss to assume Gary must have mental health issues.
People online seem to all be on board of the 'Gary's being bullied' bandwagon but are people sure that's the case?
Even though a lot of people will follow the crowd, isn't it weird that almost all of the house apart from Frency...who is a troublemaker herself, seem to dislike Gary.
I understand that Gary has a mental illness and might react in a different way to one of the other housemates but in all honestly, why would you want to be around someone who you're living with for 24/7 when they constantly tell you to be quiet so they can speak or make you sit there for ages while they explain to you about how they've lived for 32 past lives. It might be okay if you could disagree and add input but Gary doesn't let people do that.
I think Gary is the main problem here and I'm not really sure if he should be put in. I dislike James and find him a little bit too eager for an argument but the other day Gary was going on and on to start an argument and it was very clear what he was doing but people on twitter still claimed that James was bullying Gary? :shrug:
Gary wouldn't be easy to get on with. He can be rude, arrogant and ungrateful but he gets away with it (with the public) because he's Gary Busey, he's 70, he's hard of hearing and he's a fascinating character - and we don't have to live with him. :hehe:
I don't see any evidence of mental incapacity, in fact, he's as switched on as any or them, if not more so in many ways. He is elderly, so maybe he's not as quick to take things in and move about as much as the others, but he's savvy and has a lot of cunning imo.
What puzzles me (at the risk of being called sexist) is that none of the women of the house are being more solicitous and caring towards him. They don't seem to bother with him at all really.
James is accused of bullying him? - yet he is the one who seems to find him fascinating and talks to him and gives him attention. Unfortunately, James has this belligerent, 'jokey - argumentative' way about him which masks quite a kindly and insecure person. imo The other day when James was encouraging Lauren, Gary was butting in and obviously trying to wind James up, yet people were saying James was being awful to Gary again!!! Most of the others wouldn't have given him the time of day yet James stayed and talked to him even when Gary kept pushing his buttons. I think James loves interacting with him even though he annoys him. I think it's the most interesting relationship in the house right now. They are my 2 fave HM's at the moment purely for the dynamics between them and the entertainment value.
poppsywoppsy
26-08-2014, 10:08 AM
I know many keep on saying mental health problems but, I do not think he has. He wouldnt have been allowed to take part I am sure, either by his agents or the powers that be in BB.
Not in the sense of mental illness but in his thought process, his hearing and his being out of his normal environments.
They all play a part but I can see he sometimes can retaliate immediately but this maybe because there is any periferal noise going on around him.
If he was interviewed in a room with one to one contact, he would seem far more normal, but quite honestly I don't believe that BB are that concerned about contestants health or Kellie and Gary wouldn't have made it on at all.
I don't think Gary's causing the problems no.
I do think it is showing how intolerant people (some people) are and can be to other peoples difficulties, I do not think it's bullying at all Gary can be awkward and annoying at times just like everyone else can but he is in no way 'insufferable'
They just can't be bothered to deal with Gary's hearing or other problems so the easy thing for them to do is isolate him, when they do need to repeat themselves and things like that they get annoyed about it as if it's a waste of their time.
Take the conversation with James from last nights highlights as an example. He was annoyed at Gary before they have even started having the conversation, he looked at Gary in disgust as if he wasn't entitled to join the conversation, the man is entitled to have an opinion and try to interact with the group.
Jules2
26-08-2014, 10:20 AM
It shows the depth of misunderstand of hearing loss to assume Gary must have mental health issues.
The nature of man is so strange and unwarranted sometimes, I have a disabled daughter with children of her own but, because she is in a wheelchair people tend to chat to the person with her even about her as though she were invislbe or stupid! She gets so annoyed.
Jules2
26-08-2014, 10:25 AM
Not in the sense of mental illness but in his thought process, his hearing and his being out of his normal environments.
They all play a part but I can see he sometimes can retaliate immediately but this maybe because there is any periferal noise going on around him.
If he was interviewed in a room with one to one contact, he would seem far more normal, but quite honestly I don't believe that BB are that concerned about contestants health or Kellie and Gary wouldn't have made it on at all.
I agree this is why his vts are so revealing. I do believe that the powers that be do have a code of conduct as to the welfare of the HMs, if they dont then they should. I still do not see why Kellie or Gary wouldnt have made the show, they are both entertaining in their own way. Am wondering whether Kellie is still sticking up for Gary now that she is back in the main group though?
Livia
26-08-2014, 10:25 AM
The nature of man is so strange and unwarranted sometimes, I have a disabled daughter with children of her own but, because she is in a wheelchair people tend to chat to the person with her even about her as though she were invislbe or stupid! She gets so annoyed.
Yeah, I imagine that must be frustrating for your daughter. It makes me mad... it's not like becoming disabled couldn't happen to any of us at any time. You'd think people would be a bit more understanding. But as you say, the nature of man is so strange.
G1dds
26-08-2014, 10:28 AM
Of course Gary is no Saint - nor have I thought he is being bullied.......as we have seen, he is more than capable of holding his own and is even a bit of a wind up merchant
However, the majority of the house are so far up their own asses, that they are showing their own lack of ability to be patient etc and are working in a narrow minded pack mentality. It's their own downfall and makes Gary a brilliant hm to watch
Kizzy
26-08-2014, 10:29 AM
Of course Gary is no Saint - nor have I thought he is being bullied.......as we have seen, he is more than capable of holding his own and is even a bit of a wind up merchant
However, the majority of the house are so far up their own asses, that they are showing their own lack of ability to be patient etc and are working in a narrow minded pack mentality. It's their own downfall and makes Gary a brilliant hm to watch
I was just going to say something along these lines, thanks :)
I don't think Gary's causing the problems no.
I do think it is showing how intolerant people (some people) are and can be to other peoples difficulties, I do not think it's bullying at all Gary can be awkward and annoying at times just like everyone else can but he is in no way 'insufferable'
They just can't be bothered to deal with Gary's hearing or other problems so the easy thing for them to do is isolate him, when they do need to repeat themselves and things like that they get annoyed about it as if it's a waste of their time.
Take the conversation with James from last nights highlights as an example. He was annoyed at Gary before they have even started having the conversation, he looked at Gary in disgust as if he wasn't entitled to join the conversation, the man is entitled to have an opinion and try to interact with the group.
I didn't notice that. When did it happen?
Do you see no blame in Gary at all? What about when David brought him the ice pack and he was rude and dismissive of him for example...Gary is a brilliant HM and he isn't the sole cause of the problems obviously, but he contributes to them.
I didn't notice that. When did it happen?
Do you see no blame in Gary at all? What about when David brought him the ice pack and he was rude and dismissive of him for example...Gary is a brilliant HM and he isn't the sole cause of the problems obviously, but he contributes to them.
Of course Gary can be to blame at times, I mentioned in my post that he can be awkward like everyone else but from what we have seen he has barely done anything wrong and certainly not to the extent of being insufferable.
I disagree with you that he was rude with the ice pack thing Jet, a little abrupt because he was in pain perhaps but he wasn't rude and certainly did not resort to insulting anyone but David did..
I was talking about the conversation with James, Lauren and Gary btw above, James looked at Gary with that nasty expression he has before Gary had even properly joined the conversation.
James may even think he is helping Gary at times (and that's only because he was told to IMO) but he said himself to Stephanie that Gary (and Frenchy) were like animals and it's better when they are letting them out of their cage, telling them when to eat and so on. That is a despicable thing to say and think.
jessicadanielle
26-08-2014, 10:43 AM
I disagree with you that he was rude with the ice pack thing Jet, a little abrupt because he was in pain perhaps but he wasn't rude and certainly did not resort to insulting anyone but David did..
Yeah I agree. When Gary first said "that one ice pack won't be enough" David could have easily just said "yeah true but it might be worth a try", but instead he turned it into a debate about how ungrateful Gary is. They have such a sensitive trigger for Gary and are ready to jump on him for any little thing.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 10:45 AM
Yeah I agree. When Gary first said "that one ice pack won't be enough" David could have easily just said "yeah true but it might be worth a try", but instead he turned it into a debate about how ungrateful Gary is. They have such a sensitive trigger for Gary and are ready to jump on him for any little thing.
What David said in retort, which was backed up by both Leslie and Stephanie was 'well if you go lay on your bed, i'll do some more for you'
Of course Gary can be to blame at times, I mentioned in my post that he can be awkward like everyone else but from what we have seen he has barely done anything wrong and certainly not to the extent of being insufferable.
I disagree with you that he was rude with the ice pack thing Jet, a little abrupt because he was in pain perhaps but he wasn't rude and certainly did not resort to insulting anyone but David did..
I was talking about the conversation with James, Lauren and Gary btw above, James looked at Gary with that nasty expression he has before Gary had even properly joined the conversation.
James may even think he is helping Gary at times (and that's only because he was told to IMO) but he said himself to Stephanie that Gary (and Frenchy) were like animals and it's better when they are letting them out of their cage, telling them when to eat and so on. That is a despicable thing to say and think.
I agree that he isn't 'insufferable'. Far from it. But I think that he was certainly rude when David brought him the ice pack. He complained that one wasn't enough and didn't even thank him. Now, if Rikki or James had acted like that would it be rude?
The convo with Lauren - James was encouraging Lauren in something she wanted to do and Gary was mumbling away about not 'pushing' her at the start of the scene - that is what I saw anyway. :shrug: He likes to wind people up imo. But I love him, he's great to watch. :laugh:
I agree that he isn't 'insufferable'. Far from it. But I think that he was certainly rude when David brought him the ice pack. He complained that one wasn't enough and didn't even thank him. Now, if Rikki or James had acted like that would it be rude?
The convo with Lauren - James was encouraging Lauren in something she wanted to do and Gary was mumbling away about not 'pushing' her at the start of the scene - that is what I saw anyway. :shrug: He likes to wind people up imo. But I love him, he's great to watch. :laugh:
And isn't Gary allowed to have an opinion on things then? because that's all it was, an opinion. Do you think James would have reacted the way he did in reply to that had George or Stephanie said it? I honestly don't.
Sophiee
26-08-2014, 10:49 AM
excellent post :clap1: I fully agree that gary has done himself no favours, it must be a nightmare living with him.
Livia
26-08-2014, 10:55 AM
I'd frankly rather life in a house full of Garys than have to breathe the same air as a self-important tosspot like James or a knucklehead like David.
michael21
26-08-2014, 10:57 AM
entertainment is good :dance::dance::dance:
And isn't Gary allowed to have an opinion on things then? because that's all it was, an opinion. Do you think James would have reacted the way he did in reply to that had George or Stephanie said it? I honestly don't.
No, because they wouldn't have said it in the first place as he was just encouraging her. Did you see the look on Lauren's face as well? It amuses me that Gary is a wind up, and I hope he keeps it up.
Of course Gary is no Saint - nor have I thought he is being bullied.......as we have seen, he is more than capable of holding his own and is even a bit of a wind up merchant
However, the majority of the house are so far up their own asses, that they are showing their own lack of ability to be patient etc and are working in a narrow minded pack mentality. It's their own downfall and makes Gary a brilliant hm to watch
That's a brilliantly summed up post, Gidds.
I'd frankly rather life in a house full of Garys than have to breathe the same air as a self-important tosspot like James or a knucklehead like David.
Same here.
jessicadanielle
26-08-2014, 11:03 AM
What David said in retort, which was backed up by both Leslie and Stephanie was 'well if you go lay on your bed, i'll do some more for you'
I thought he started going on about how ungrateful he is, stormed away, then came back and said he'd do it for him. I could be wrong though. I did think there was no need really for Gary to say one wasn't enough repeatedly, but also no need for david's reaction
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:05 AM
I thought he started going on about how ungrateful he is, stormed away, then came back and said he'd do it for him. I could be wrong though. I did think there was no need really for Gary to say one wasn't enough repeatedly, but also no need for david's reaction
Well yeah he did, but that in itself shows that he wanted to help him, he might have said he was ungrateful and stormed off, but he came back from his own free will and said he'd help him, only to be treated with more rudeness in the bedroom :shrug:
Yeah I agree. When Gary first said "that one ice pack won't be enough" David could have easily just said "yeah true but it might be worth a try", but instead he turned it into a debate about how ungrateful Gary is. They have such a sensitive trigger for Gary and are ready to jump on him for any little thing.
That's not what happened! :shocked:
David said to him to get onto his bed and he'd go and get more. When he brought it to him Gary once again didn't thank him and when he offered to help Gary said abruptly that he was capable of doing it himself. That's when David lost it and walked off. I don't see how anyone could think that was appropriate behaviour when someone is trying to help you.
Its pure intolerance toward Gary. For whatever reason, and I think its as shallow as their jealousy of his stardom, they can't "best" him individually so have to attack him as a pack. The same is true of Frenchie imo. The housemates that do well will be those that show some compassion and understanding, and that doesn't just apply in the BB house, if they are not careful,they will all be known for their behaviour to Gary above all else they have done in their careers.
Ellen
26-08-2014, 11:16 AM
That's not what happened! :shocked:
David said to him to get onto his bed and he'd go and get more. When he brought it to him Gary once again didn't thank him and when he offered to help Gary said abruptly that he was capable of doing it himself. That's when David lost it and walked off. I don't see how anyone could think that was appropriate behaviour when someone is trying to help you.
Dont think i would be happy with someone who was already been irate with me for needing help.
I do agree that Gary could have said thankyou and he may well have done if David had not have been so irate with him.
In the house he said to David he would need more, David was almost jumping down his throat at Gary for stating he needed more.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:20 AM
Dont think i would be happy with someone who was already been irate with me for needing help.
I do agree that Gary could have said thankyou and he may well have done if David had not have been so irate with him.
In the house he said to David he would need more, David was almost jumping down his throat at Gary for stating he needed more.
He was getting irate with him because he kept saying that he'd do more for him once Gary went and laid down on his bed, but Gary just kept repeating that it wasn't enough
Pincho Paxton
26-08-2014, 11:30 AM
Gary is slightly annoying, and the house is easily annoyed. You have to pick between someone who is slightly annoying, and somebody who is easily annoyed. They cancel each other out. So you ignore those traits, and you are left with a person's other traits. Gary's other traits are intelligence, humour, and acting skills. That deck of cards is the winner.
Dont think i would be happy with someone who was already been irate with me for needing help.
I do agree that Gary could have said thankyou and he may well have done if David had not have been so irate with him.
In the house he said to David he would need more, David was almost jumping down his throat at Gary for stating he needed more.
David didn't jump down his throat at all. Maybe you should watch it back? :shrug:
Ellen
26-08-2014, 11:32 AM
He was getting irate with him because he kept saying that he'd do more for him once Gary went and laid down on his bed, but Gary just kept repeating that it wasn't enough
Yes i know that but who want someone helping who is practically shouting in annoyance at you because you ask for more :conf:
Ellen
26-08-2014, 11:34 AM
David didn't jump down his throat at all. Maybe you should watch it back? :shrug:
Yes he did. Soon as Gary said it wasnt enough David snapped right back.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:34 AM
Yes i know that but who want someone helping who is practically shouting in annoyance at you because you ask for more :conf:
He didn't once shout at him.. And if he doesn't want someone getting annoyed, let them get on with it, or do it himself, he can't have it both ways
Jules2
26-08-2014, 11:35 AM
I agree that he isn't 'insufferable'. Far from it. But I think that he was certainly rude when David brought him the ice pack. He complained that one wasn't enough and didn't even thank him. Now, if Rikki or James had acted like that would it be rude?
The convo with Lauren - James was encouraging Lauren in something she wanted to do and Gary was mumbling away about not 'pushing' her at the start of the scene - that is what I saw anyway. :shrug: He likes to wind people up imo. But I love him, he's great to watch. :laugh:
If I were Lauren I would make my own mind up but Gary is correct in as much as it was singing, dont force it. James says he was forced and it did him good but that was dancing. A very cruelling thing as the limbs must get so tired he would have needed that extra spurt. To force the voice is to damage it and confidence needs to be built up gradually imo.
He didn't once shout at him.. And if he doesn't want someone getting annoyed, let them get on with it, or do it himself, he can't have it both ways
As far as we were shown Gary never asked David to do anything, the same thing you just posted can be swung round the other way, if you are going to get annoyed at someone you are supposedly helping then it's probably best you don't act as though you care in the first place.
Ellen
26-08-2014, 11:39 AM
He didn't once shout at him.. And if he doesn't want someone getting annoyed, let them get on with it, or do it himself, he can't have it both ways
Well he did, he got on with it himself.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:40 AM
As far as we were shown Gary never asked David to do anything, the same thing you just posted can be swung round the other way, if you are going to get annoyed at someone you are supposedly helping then it's probably best you don't act as though you care in the first place.
Gary probably didn't ask for help, but he was getting it anyway, he should have been a bit more grateful.. but because David got annoyed with him that means he doesn't care? If he didn't care, he wouldn't have gone out of his way to help him in the first place.
Gary probably didn't ask for help, but he was getting it anyway, he should have been a bit more grateful.. but because David got annoyed with him that means he doesn't care? If he didn't care, he wouldn't have gone out of his way to help him in the first place.
Someone was probably asked to go to the hatch and get the ice.
David getting annoyed, called Gary a prick numerous times and then continuing to mumble under his breath and then moan to the other housemates tells me he doesn't care.
David cares about David. IMO.
Bluerang1
26-08-2014, 11:42 AM
Gary was the same way on the Apprentice. He caused problems there too
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:42 AM
Well he did, he got on with it himself.
he did, but only after David had enough of his rudeness and told him to do it himself :shrug:
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:44 AM
Someone was probably asked to go to the hatch and get the ice.
David getting annoyed, called Gary a prick numerous times and then continuing to mumble under his breath and then moan to the other housemates tells me he doesn't care.
David cares about David. IMO.
That's beyond the point, David was still trying to help him, he chose to do it, he didn't have to, he could have let someone else, or Gary do it himself, but he chose to... and he was met with rudeness and Gary being ungrateful for the help, he had every right to get annoyed
David was being helpful, Gary was ungrateful and rude not to thank him. Is it not common courtesy to thank someone when they bring you something instead of complaining that it's not enough?
Ellen
26-08-2014, 11:49 AM
he did, but only after David had enough of his rudeness and told him to do it himself :shrug:
Gary took the ice pack and said he had done it numerous times before, David said ok i'll leave you to do it and left. Why would you want someone helping who is annoyed with you :conf: I wouldnt.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:51 AM
Gary took the ice pack and said he had done it numerous times before, David said ok i'll leave you to do it and left. Why would you want someone helping who is annoyed with you :conf: I wouldnt.
Then on the other hand, i wouldn't and I'm sure, many other people wouldn't annoy someone who was being helpful to me
Only on TiBB could Gary falling over and daring to say he needed more ice make him a problem, rude and ungrateful.
Deary me.
Livia
26-08-2014, 11:57 AM
Only on TiBB could Gary falling over and daring to say he needed more ice make him a problem, rude and ungrateful.
Deary me.
LOL.... so true.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 11:59 AM
Only on TiBB could Gary falling over and daring to say he needed more ice make him a problem, rude and ungrateful.
Deary me.
I haven't seen anyone say he's rude and ungrateful because he fell over, so i dont quite understand that statement :puzzled:
I haven't seen anyone say he's rude and ungrateful because he fell over, so i dont quite understand that statement :puzzled:
I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.
He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.
michael21
26-08-2014, 12:01 PM
I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.
He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.
ice is a drug in the usa :nono::nono::nono:
ice is a drug in the usa :nono::nono::nono:
Thanks for that extremely well thought out contribution to this discussion Michael.
michael21
26-08-2014, 12:03 PM
Thanks for that extremely well thought out contribution to this discussion Michael.
your welcome :dance:
Liam-
26-08-2014, 12:04 PM
I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.
He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.
He's being labelled ungrateful and rude for the way he speaks to people who are trying to help him.. if he needed more ice he needed more ice, David told him multiple times he would do him more ice, but he just kept repeating it wasn't enough even though he heard what David said, It's not about him wanting more ice, it's about the way he went about saying he needed more ice, he came off really rude and incredibly ungrateful to David for trying to help him, not once did he say thank you or anything, that's just common courtesy
He's being labelled ungrateful and rude for the way he speaks to people who are trying to help him.. if he needed more ice he needed more ice, David told him multiple times he would do him more ice, but he just kept repeating it wasn't enough even though he heard what David said, It's not about him wanting more ice, it's about the way he went about saying he needed more ice, he came off really rude and incredibly ungrateful to David for trying to help him, not once did he say thank you or anything, that's just common courtesy
Pain is painful you know. If one is in serious pain, all sorts can be said, none of which could ever be considered rude and ungrateful.
The house is completely lacking in any form of human compassion, its disgusting to watch actually.
I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.
He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.
So if someone brought you an icepack and you wanted another one, would you say abruptly that one wasn't enough and not thank them? Or would you say 'thanks, would you mind getting me another one as well'?
People online seem to all be on board of the 'Gary's being bullied' bandwagon but are people sure that's the case?
Even though a lot of people will follow the crowd, isn't it weird that almost all of the house apart from Frency...who is a troublemaker herself, seem to dislike Gary.
I understand that Gary has a mental illness and might react in a different way to one of the other housemates but in all honestly, why would you want to be around someone who you're living with for 24/7 when they constantly tell you to be quiet so they can speak or make you sit there for ages while they explain to you about how they've lived for 32 past lives. It might be okay if you could disagree and add input but Gary doesn't let people do that.
I think Gary is the main problem here and I'm not really sure if he should be put in. I dislike James and find him a little bit too eager for an argument but the other day Gary was going on and on to start an argument and it was very clear what he was doing but people on twitter still claimed that James was bullying Gary? :shrug:
they all need to shut up and listen to what gary actually says rather than butting in on him all the time..like james when gary was trying to explain something last night wankstain already had his mind made up as to what he thought gary was going to say, he, as usual was wrong.
Bluerang1
26-08-2014, 12:10 PM
Gary was being ungrateful and even rude, there was a bettet way he could have spoken. David was being insincere as revealed by his outburst.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 12:12 PM
Pain is painful you know. If one is in serious pain, all sorts can be said, none of which could ever be considered rude and ungrateful.
The house is completely lacking in any form of human compassion, its disgusting to watch actually.
Yes i do know pain is painful, please don't try and speak down to me, it's not appreciated nor is it needed.
It doesn't matter if you're in pain or not, the way he was talking was rude and he was being ungrateful, pain is not an excuse.. he fell over, he wasn't giving birth.
jaxie
26-08-2014, 12:15 PM
I don't think Gary's causing the problems no.
I do think it is showing how intolerant people (some people) are and can be to other's peoples difficulties, I do not think it's bullying at all Gary can be awkward and annoying at times just like everyone else can but he is in no way 'insufferable'
They just can't be bothered to deal with Gary's hearing or other problems so the easy thing for them to do is isolate him, when they do need to repeat themselves and things like that they get annoyed about it as if it's a waste of their time.
Take the conversation with James from last nights highlights as an example. He was annoyed at Gary before they have even started having the conversation, he looked at Gary in disgust as if he wasn't entitled to join the conversation, the man is entitled to have an opinion and try to interact with the group.
That. Well said.
I also think some of the audience who are complaining about him are not actually listening to what he is saying. I've seen conversations completely misquoted in this forum. For instance earlier someone mentioned the Lauren and James conversation and him butting in. What he actually said when James kept asking her to sing is that she was embarrassed and you can't force her then for some reason James decided he was the dancing Brad Pitt and accused Gary of starting an argument.
Someone said in another thread he told David his help wasn't enough. What Gary actually said was the ice David brought wasn't enough to ease the injury it needed more ice. The housemates and some viewers just aren't listening to what he is actually saying because they don't like him.
Yes i do know pain is painful, please don't try and speak down to me, it's not appreciated nor is it needed.
It doesn't matter if you're in pain or not, the way he was talking was rude and he was being ungrateful, pain is not an excuse.. he fell over, he wasn't giving birth.
Sorry, but people in pain can say many things, to get the pain to finish quicker.
I can understand people not liking Gary, that's fine, but coming out with crap that he is ungrateful when he is in pain is just beyond acceptable to me.
That's all i'm going to say on the subject
Liam-
26-08-2014, 12:21 PM
Sorry, but people in pain can say many things, to get the pain to finish quicker.
I can understand people not liking Gary, that's fine, but coming out with crap that he is ungrateful when he is in pain is just beyond acceptable to me.
That's all i'm going to say on the subject
It's crap in your opinion.. in mine, he was rude and ungrateful, neither of which should be excused, people make way too many excuses for the man as it is when it comes to his behaviour.
Gary was being ungrateful and even rude, there was a bettet way he could have spoken. David was being insincere as revealed by his outburst.
So if someone is rude to you when you are being helpful, you would never get annoyed? You must be a saint. :hehe:
jaxie
26-08-2014, 12:22 PM
It's crap in your opinion.. in mine, he was rude and ungrateful, neither of which should be excused, people make way too many excuses for the man as it is when it comes to his behaviour.
You didn't hear what he actually said. You should watch it again. You completely misquoted Gary.
That. Well said.
I also think some of the audience who are complaining about him are not actually listening to what he is saying. I've seen conversations completely misquoted in this forum. For instance earlier someone mentioned the Lauren and James conversation and him butting in. What he actually said when James kept asking her to sing is that she was embarrassed and you can't force her then for some reason James decided he was the dancing Brad Pitt and accused Gary of starting an argument.
Someone said in another thread he told David his help wasn't enough. What Gary actually said was the ice David brought wasn't enough to ease the injury it needed more ice. The housemates and some viewers just aren't listening to what he is actually saying because they don't like him.
Well nobody is saying that in this thread. We all know he was complaining that one ice pack wasn't enough. He was still rude though.
jaxie
26-08-2014, 12:29 PM
Well nobody is saying that in this thread. We all know he was complaining that one ice pack wasn't enough. He was still rude though.
So imagine a scenario, old man falls in the park and someone brings him ice, old man has a fair bit of injury experience and explains the ice won't be enough, he's in pain. How is that rude? What would your reaction be throw the ice at him?
Liam-
26-08-2014, 12:30 PM
You didn't hear what he actually said. You should watch it again. You completely misquoted Gary.
What did i misquote exactly?
puzzled
26-08-2014, 12:30 PM
I think Gary has been treated dreadfully by the HMs, and I like him, but he was rude to David, who was trying to help. He's human, and maybe it was the pain, or frustration, but it still was rude.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 12:31 PM
So imagine a scenario, old man falls in the park and someone brings him ice, old man has a fair bit of injury experience and explains the ice won't be enough, he's in pain. How is that rude? What would your reaction be throw the ice at him?
No-one is saying he was rude for saying he needed more ice, read my reply to Josy's post, people are saying he was rude for the way he went about it and spoke to David, not for the act of saying he needed more ice, you seem to be the one misquoting people.
Scream
26-08-2014, 12:32 PM
The convo with James it just seemed like James was trying to help Lauren but Gary was trying to undermine him and make out like he knows best.
rubberface
26-08-2014, 12:32 PM
I'd frankly rather life in a house full of Garys than have to breathe the same air as a self-important tosspot like James or a knucklehead like David.
You get it. :clap1: :clap1:
Scream
26-08-2014, 12:33 PM
No-one is saying he was rude for saying he needed more ice, read my reply to Josy's post, people are saying he was rude for the way he went about it and spoke to David, not for the act of saying he needed more ice, you seem to be the one misquoting people.
I agree with you...it's the way he spoke to him. Imagine if Dee or Leslie did this...all hell would break loose.
Sorry, but people in pain can say many things, to get the pain to finish quicker.
I can understand people not liking Gary, that's fine, but coming out with crap that he is ungrateful when he is in pain is just beyond acceptable to me.
That's all i'm going to say on the subject
I do like him and I think he's a brilliant HM. But that doesn't mean I'm going to blame someone else in the house whenever he is rude or in the wrong.
I hope this doesn't turn into a 'Gary can do no wrong' series, because it's already going that way and that becomes so frustrating and such a bore. :inamood:
http://thumbpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/funny-cat-gift-mouse-ungrateful1.jpg
jaxie
26-08-2014, 12:47 PM
What did i misquote exactly?
I told you in a different thread.
Liam-
26-08-2014, 12:51 PM
http://thumbpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/funny-cat-gift-mouse-ungrateful1.jpg
I'm not quite sure what the point of this is, other than to prove that cats are awesome!
I told you in a different thread.
I'm not going through threads to find what someone has said to me :laugh:
Vicky.
26-08-2014, 12:53 PM
I don't see it as bullying as such..more a case of a load of people who haven't an ounce of empathy or understanding between them all working themselves up over an ill odler bloke who is having difficulty hearing and understanding properly.
Gary himself seems quite oblivious to it all though..or choses to ignore it, which is a good thing.
jaxie
26-08-2014, 12:54 PM
No-one is saying he was rude for saying he needed more ice, read my reply to Josy's post, people are saying he was rude for the way he went about it and spoke to David, not for the act of saying he needed more ice, you seem to be the one misquoting people.
What exactly did he say then, word for word that was rude?
Liam-
26-08-2014, 12:58 PM
What exactly did he say then, word for word that was rude?
It's the age old expression 'It's not what you say, it's how you say it' He was rude in the way he was dismissive towards someone who was trying his best to help him, people will always find a way to get him out of something he's said or done, but in the end, the way he acts, should not be excused, he is rude and he was ungrateful towards David.
All I can say is I wouldn't bring some here a cuppa unless I knew exactly how they liked it. :joker:
jaxie
26-08-2014, 01:17 PM
It's the age old expression 'It's not what you say, it's how you say it' He was rude in the way he was dismissive towards someone who was trying his best to help him, people will always find a way to get him out of something he's said or done, but in the end, the way he acts, should not be excused, he is rude and he was ungrateful towards David.
So you have no real answer nothing BG in the actual words said you just don't like him.
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