is kellie real or is it a scam?

[LukeB]

does frank really wanna be a girl? or is it a scam? :suspect:

[chuff me dizzy]

100% scam

[elliebrew]

DISGUSTING thread. Nobody in their right mind would risk humiliation on that scale scamming people. You should be ashamed

[chuff me dizzy]

DISGUSTING thread. Nobody in their right mind would risk humiliation on that scale scamming people. You should be ashamed

IM not ashamed

[LukeB]

100% scam

she got 400k for going in :suspect:

[LukeB]

DISGUSTING thread. Nobody in their right mind would risk humiliation on that scale scamming people. You should be ashamed

its a discussion they have been talks about it

[elliebrew]

IM not ashamed

Well you should be. No wonder depressed people kill themselves with people like you making them feel isolated, weak and unwanted

[chuff me dizzy]

she got 400k for going in :suspect:

For doing what ? moaning and whining :conf:

[chuff me dizzy]

Well you should be. No wonder depressed people kill themselves with people like you making them feel isolated, weak and unwanted

Please post proof of Maloney being depressed ,my opinion ,and its as worthy as anyone else's ,Thank you

[Firewire]

Believed it at first but I'm having doubts now after the constant self pity.

[Liam-]

Well you should be. No wonder depressed people kill themselves with people like you making them feel isolated, weak and unwanted

Bit extreme, its an opinion shared by many people, there's no need for dramatics.

To answer the OP, yes i do think it's a scam personally, but if it's not, then good luck to her.

[LukeB]

Well you should be. No wonder depressed people kill themselves with people like you making them feel isolated, weak and unwanted

it doesnt look genuine to me tbh, people allowed opinions :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

Believed it at first but I'm having doubts now after the constant self pity.

Don't know about Maloney being depressed my family hide the stanley knifes every time BB is on so I dont slash MY wrists watching the pity chasing

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

DISGUSTING thread. Nobody in their right mind would risk humiliation on that scale scamming people. You should be ashamed

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar57456_7.gif

[LukeB]

Believed it at first but I'm having doubts now after the constant self pity.

wasn't she anti gay too?

[JoshBB]

It's awful that we're doubting someone's gender identity. If she says she is a woman, she is a woman. Simple as that.

[elliebrew]

Please post proof of Maloney being depressed ,my opinion ,and its as worthy as anyone else's ,Thank you

Look at her Chuff. Ive suffered very very very severe depression my entire adult life. I know what it looks like

[chuff me dizzy]

wasn't she anti gay too?

VERY much so

[Firewire]

Don't know about Maloney being depressed my family hide the stanley knifes every time BB is on so I dont slash MY wrists watching the pity chasing

It's boring to watch now and I want to fast forward every time she's on the screen.

[chuff me dizzy]

Look at her Chuff. Ive suffered very very very severe depression my entire adult life. I know what it looks like

So have I, but Ive never gone on a tv show to bleat about it, Its Maloney daughters I fell sorry for

[chuff me dizzy]

It's boring to watch now and I want to fast forward every time she's on the screen.

Same here

[Firewire]

wasn't she anti gay too?

very and calling Leslie a queen made it obvious that those prejudices are still there

[LukeB]

It's awful that we're doubting someone's gender identity. If she says she is a woman, she is a woman. Simple as that.

:suspect: some people are curious about it

[MB.]

wasn't she anti gay too?

very and calling Leslie a queen made it obvious that those prejudices are still there

Being transsexual and being gay aren't the same thing

[Firewire]

Being transsexual and being gay aren't the same thing

i didn't say they were?

[Liam-]

It's awful that we're doubting someone's gender identity. If she says she is a woman, she is a woman. Simple as that.

It's not awful.. people don't believe her story because of things they've seen, she wasn't very nice as Frank and even though she claims to want to be a different person and is starting to become a different person, we have seen the same traits as she had when she was Frank, its peoples right to doubt the story.. but as i said earlier, if it is true, then best of luck to her, but i personally don't believe it.

[MB.]

i didn't say they were?

It's being made out that the whole situation with Kellie can't be real just because she still has her views on gay people from when she was Frank, two things which are pretty much completely unrelated

[jessicadanielle]

It's not awful.. people don't believe her story because of things they've seen, she wasn't very nice as Frank and even though she claims to want to be a different person and is starting to become a different person, we have seen the same traits as she had when she was Frank, its peoples right to doubt the story.. but as i said earlier, if it is true, then best of luck to her, but i personally don't believe it.

I don't understand why people think she should have completely different character traits just because she's become a woman?

[LukeB]

It's not awful.. people don't believe her story because of things they've seen, she wasn't very nice as Frank and even though she claims to want to be a different person and is starting to become a different person, we have seen the same traits as she had when she was Frank, its peoples right to doubt the story.. but as i said earlier, if it is true, then best of luck to her, but i personally don't believe it.

:clap1:

[Firewire]

It's being made out that the whole situation with Kellie can't be real just because she still has her views on gay people from when she was Frank, two things which are pretty much completely unrelated

What I meant is that Kellie keeps putting across this image that her and Frank are two completely different people and that she's "changed" when she's really the same person, just with a different gender.

[LukeB]

just because i made this thread does not mean its disgusting! im asking others people opinions.

[MB.]

What I meant is that Kellie keeps putting across this image that her and Frank are two completely different people and that she's "changed" when she's really the same person, just with a different gender.

Fair point, but the question was 'does frank really wanna be a girl? or is it a scam?', not 'has her behaviour changed now that she's transitioning?' - personally, I think she's just trying to fool herself that she's becoming a new person with a new persona, and that she isn't really proud of what she was before

[thesheriff443]

i don't see any feminine traits in her!

[jessicadanielle]

To those who believe Kellie is a scam because she's as much of an arsehole as she used to be when she was Frank...

In that case, couldn't it be that Kellie is pretending to be a completely changed personality just because she wasn't the most likeable person when she was Frank so wants to pretend to be a nicer person, but is genuinely going through a transition from man to woman? Hope that makes sense.. She could truly be transitioning from man to woman but faking that she's now a lovely person who would never do what Frank did to improve her public image?

(I don't know anything about Frank from before so can't comment on how much of a twat he is or isn't)

[thesheriff443]

there is nothing wrong in questioning someone on bigbrother even if it involves their transition from a man to a woman.

[Liam-]

To those who believe Kellie is a scam because she's as much of an arsehole as she used to be when she was Frank...

In that case, couldn't it be that Kellie is pretending to be a completely changed personality just because she wasn't the most likeable person when she was Frank so wants to pretend to be a nicer person, but is genuinely going through a transition from man to woman? Hope that makes sense.. She could truly be transitioning from man to woman but faking that she's now a lovely person who would never do what Frank did to improve her public image?

(I don't know anything about Frank from before so can't comment on how much of a twat he is or isn't)

If she's trying to pretend to be a nicer person, she's certainly not doing a very good job :joker:

[Jarrod]

I don't think the gender identity of a Housemate should be the subject of a discussion on whether it's a real thing or a scam. I'm not a fan of Kellie, but I don't think that we should speculate on this.

I respect how hard it is for someone like Kellie to enter the Big Brother House in such a fragile time in their life. Maybe she's just struggling under the pressure in the House.

[jessicadanielle]

If she's trying to pretend to be a nicer person, she's certainly not doing a very good job :joker:

Ha I agree! Nasty little swine..

People just seem confused that Kellie isn't a completely different person to Frank but I don't get why she should be? :shrug:

[Alf]

I want live my life as a King, I'd like you all to address me as Your Majesty from now on.

"We could have been anything that we wanted to be"

[Pronshi]

This thread is disgusting... Plausible... But very disgusting.

[Liam-]

Ha I agree! Nasty little swine..

People just seem confused that Kellie isn't a completely different person to Frank but I don't get why she should be? :shrug:

Because she keeps saying that she wants to put Frank behind her and start a new page.. if that was true, she'd take a step back from everything that Frank was known to be like, eg; the aggression and the homophobia, plus she brings Frank up every 5 minutes, which someone who wants to forget their past and the person they used to be, wouldn't do.

[Livia]

not like you to bottle it!:hehe:

You've got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em.

[elliebrew]

What nastiness has she displayed?

[Livia]

I want live my life as a King, I'd like you all to address me as Your Majesty from now on.

"We could have been anything that we wanted to be"

Yes, Your Maj...

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzddq8LI5x1qenn7ao1_500.gif

[Nedusa]

Thought provoking thread, is her whole situation a scam to get .... What ??

Money, from CBB, or a magazine deal ??

Really ?? Sounds a little far fetched to me that the whole thing is a scam.
Doctors and other health professionals can testify to her situation and recent medical history.

I don't think its a scam... If it is then its a very brazen one.




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[thesheriff443]

You've got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em.

its only tibb, I would not worry about it.
its not wrong to question who you are watching!

[sampvt]

I said it from day one, follow the Oracle folks, he is good at reading people, been proved right loads of times.

[jessicadanielle]

Because she keeps saying that she wants to put Frank behind her and start a new page.. if that was true, she'd take a step back from everything that Frank was known to be like, eg; the aggression and the homophobia, plus she brings Frank up every 5 minutes, which someone who wants to forget their past and the person they used to be, wouldn't do.

I'm still not sure that her lack of change indicates that her transition is fake. Maybe she expects that becoming a woman will replenish her which is a strange and unrealistic expectation imo (though I don't know much about sex changes tbh so dunno).

But yeah I agree that it's weird that she constantly brings up Frank. I would have thought that anybody truly dedicated to becoming the "new them" would hardly even remember that they used to be a different person.

It's also weird that she speaks about how she's always known that she was a woman inside, but then refers to Frank and Kellie as like different people with different characters and seems to expect that all of sudden he'll change from one to the other. It's almost like she has to try to be a new person named Kellie, rather than finally accepting that she is Kellie. The more I think about it, the more suspicious I become.

[Alf]

Yes, Your Maj...

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzddq8LI5x1qenn7ao1_500.gif
For that noble gesture I shall make you a Dame.

[Liam-]

What nastiness has she displayed?

Her aggression, her homophobic language, her hostility, her bitchiness, need i continue?

[Liam-]

I'm still not sure that her lack of change indicates that her transition is fake. Maybe she expects that becoming a woman will replenish her which is a strange and unrealistic expectation imo (though I don't know much about sex changes tbh so dunno).

But yeah I agree that it's weird that she constantly brings up Frank. I would have thought that anybody truly dedicated to becoming the "new them" would hardly even remember that they used to be a different person.

It's also weird that she speaks about how she's always known that she was a woman inside, but then refers to Frank and Kellie as like different people with different characters and seems to expect that all of sudden he'll change from one to the other. It's almost like she has to try to be a new person named Kellie, rather than finally accepting that she is Kellie. The more I think about it, the more suspicious I become.

Exactly, that's what i mean, she's just a walking contradiction to her own story, it's getting increasingly harder to believe as the series goes on :shrug:

[Livia]

its only tibb, I would not worry about it.
its not wrong to question who you are watching!

Thanks Dad.

[warrenhill]

I said it was a scam a week ago and i havnt changed my mind since.


What i have noticed is that Kellie isnt trying to look as much like a women then she was the first few says....:nono:


I have a feelings its all done for charity or some kind of bet...

[Livia]

For that noble gesture I shall make you a Dame.

Woohooooo! Hear that, peasants?

[MB.]

I said it was a scam a week ago and i havnt changed my mind since.


What i have noticed is that Kellie isnt trying to look as much like a women then she was the first few says....:nono:


I have a feelings its all done for charity or some kind of bet...

Yes, that exciting new show, 'Let's Undergo Hormone Therapy for Comic Relief'

[AarynGriesfan]

I would play dress up for 400k.

[LukeB]

I would play dress up for 400k.

i would do anything for 100k (well not dirty stuff)

[reece(:]

I believe Kellie is a fraud.

[LukeB]

I believe Kellie is a fraud.

wonder if she will get boo'ed ?
:hehe:

[Donovan.]

I do believe that she identifies as a woman, but she also has this belief that Kellie and Frank aren't the same person. It could be true that as Frank, she wasn't able to be herself and because of that she was mean and judgmental. Having to hide herself probably contributed to her harsh personality as Frank. We've also seen her be really nasty as Kellie though, and I think that's just down to her not being comfortable with where she's at in her transition yet. Or maybe she always has been and always will be this self-pitying and aggressive. I hope she gets to where she wants to in her transition and maybe once she does, she'll be comfortable and happy and won't be as awful as she's been in the house.

Bullet point version:
Yes she's a woman
She's been mean as Frank & Kellie because of her inner struggle with gender identity IMO
Hopefully once she's comfortable with her transition, she won't be so harsh

[JTM45]

I'm past caring!:shrug:

[Dollface]

she got 400k for going in :suspect:

400k? :omg: Wtf, why so much? :suspect:

[Dollface]

What i have noticed is that Kellie isnt trying to look as much like a women then she was the first few says....:nono:


I noticed that her facial expressions and mannerisms have changed alot since she first went in. She was constantly smiling sweetly at first and appeared extremely shy/timid, now she doesn't pull that same face. :suspect:

[chuff me dizzy]

I noticed that her facial expressions and mannerisms have changed alot since she first went in. She was constantly smiling sweetly at first and appeared extremely shy/timid, now she doesn't pull that same face. :suspect:

Dead right, gone is the sweet ,coy little person

[daniel-lewis-1985]

IM not ashamed

LOL I dunno why this just made me laugh so much.

[Vicky.]

Personally, I do not believe Kellie is transgendered though I do not think its a scam as such (though I have thought about that vaguely..but for what? The 400k fee? Seems a bit extreme)

I think she just wants to reinvent herself. But this is not the way to go about it at all. I seriously doubt she will go through with surgery and stuff. And I am also doubting that she is even as far along the transition phase as she says (mentioned surgery at the end of the year, which would mean she had been taking hormones and getting counselling for at least 2 years so far I think..)

[Tarryn]

I don't think it's a scam, I just think that "Bad Frank" & "Psycho Kellie" are battling over who get's control of the body :crazy:

[LukeB]

Personally, I do not believe Kellie is transgendered though I do not think its a scam as such (though I have thought about that vaguely..but for what? The 400k fee? Seems a bit extreme)

I think she just wants to reinvent herself. But this is not the way to go about it at all. I seriously doubt she will go through with surgery and stuff. And I am also doubting that she is even as far along the transition phase as she says (mentioned surgery at the end of the year, which would mean she had been taking hormones and getting counselling for at least 2 years so far I think..)

i would not gave kellie 400k because i never heard of them before :shrug:

[HBB1508]

I had to go with scam as there is just something not right about the whole thing - I can't put my finger on it but if she has been going through this for two years - as she was saying to Leslie in the pod the other night - then the hormones haven't had much effect imo.

[the truth]

the only thing real about him is how horrible he is.

[Looou :)]

To be honest, I'm not even sure anymore. Part of me thinks that it's fake because something just feels off to me, but then I feel guilty because what if it's genuine? I end up feeling like a horrible person because it must be a difficult thing to go through. I'm really just torn about this whole thing. Not sure what to believe anymore as anything is possible on Big Brother :shrug:

[Pincho Paxton]

I had to go with scam as there is just something not right about the whole thing - I can't put my finger on it but if she has been going through this for two years - as she was saying to Leslie in the pod the other night - then the hormones haven't had much effect imo.

It's likely that Frank would not actually consume the HRT tablets if he is faking.

[Loukas]

i voted real but only because i would love to believe that she is trans but it's hard when she comes across as a man in a wig. There's nothing feminine about her in the slightest and it's really sad. If she isn't trans, i would find that highly offensive.

[sampvt]

Personally, I do not believe Kellie is transgendered though I do not think its a scam as such (though I have thought about that vaguely..but for what? The 400k fee? Seems a bit extreme)

I think she just wants to reinvent herself. But this is not the way to go about it at all. I seriously doubt she will go through with surgery and stuff. And I am also doubting that she is even as far along the transition phase as she says (mentioned surgery at the end of the year, which would mean she had been taking hormones and getting counselling for at least 2 years so far I think..)

I don't think she needs to go through with the surgery because if she runs into some hairy arsed TV outside that she thinks she can crush, he might cut her balls off and save her the job.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That eejit Danielle tried to scam and failed so it is a possibility

[mr rochester]

I worry that Kellie should have spent more time sorting out her demons in her head. Becoming a woman probably won't make the basic changes necessary. I think she is acting out being a woman with woman's mannerisms until she gets upset and then Frank comes out. So she might need to do more internal work on herself…maybe she went public too early. There seems to be conflict between who she wants to be and who she actually is. Becoming a woman will not take her basic personality away.

[chuff me dizzy]

I worry that Kellie should have spent more time sorting out her demons in her head. Becoming a woman probably won't make the basic changes necessary. I think she is acting out being a woman with woman's mannerisms until she gets upset and then Frank comes out. So she might need to do more internal work on herself…maybe she went public too early. There seems to be conflict between who she wants to be and who she actually is. Becoming a woman will not take her basic personality away.

What "womans mannerisms ?" :shocked:

[LukeB]

40 say scam! :hehe:

[Northern Monkey]

Scam.I can't take her/him seriously at all,Wandering around in a wig threatening people.I'd dress up like Barbie for £400K!

[LukeB]

Scam.I can't take her/him seriously at all,Wandering around in a wig threatening people.I'd dress up like Barbie for £400K!

shes been over paid!

[Pete.]

I think it's real but she needs to follow through and stop acting like an aggressive male and get some female hormones down her

[sampvt]

I don't know if anyone has worked it out before but if you divide it up, she is getting nearly £600 and HOUR and that includes her sleeping time as well. Absolutely ridiculous to pay a scam artist that much. She mooches around all day looking like Keith Lemons dog Spud and throws in the odd threat and tear just to amuse us.

[MB.]

She was given 400k because she was in the news very recently before CBB began, and the producers were desperate to book her as a last minute signing (since news = viewers), hence the cost they were willing to pay

[Lstan]

It's being made out that the whole situation with Kellie can't be real just because she still has her views on gay people from when she was Frank, two things which are pretty much completely unrelated

where? i have seen posts about how kellie is anti-gay, but never that this is proof that kellie is not really trans.

Fair point, but the question was 'does frank really wanna be a girl? or is it a scam?', not 'has her behaviour changed now that she's transitioning?' - personally, I think she's just trying to fool herself that she's becoming a new person with a new persona, and that she isn't really proud of what she was before

Yes this is more what i feel, not so much a scam but the desire to be someone else. the fact that kellie refers to being either "frank" or "kellie" seems to suggest more MPD than being trans.

[Bluerang1]

I can't believe Scam is winning lol But it's a midlife crisis thing

[Miranda123]

does frank really wanna be a girl? or is it a scam? :suspect:

I would have more respect for him ,if he came out and said it had all been for the money

As a transexual, he is a bore!

[mr rochester]

What "womans mannerisms ?" :shocked:

Schlepping around in high heels and wearing a wig whilst attempting to look gracious/shy/demure/weak/angry and:bawling:

[tanussa]

I'm convinced its a joke and he/she is going to come out of the house and own up that hes played us.

[warrenhill]

I will be interested to see how long "Kellie" stays as being Kellie.....

[billy123]

I dont really care to be honest its a bit sad that some people are so fixated on her gender issues.
I find her boring and dont really like her as a housemate.

[billy123]

I will be interested to see how long "Kellie" stays as being Kellie.....who gives a ****? what difference does it make to anyone here :shrug:

[jaxie]

I don't think its a scam, no, I think she definitely has a need or thinks she does. Do I think doctors should be looking at more depth what is going on in her head before lopping anything off? Absolutely.

[ozzyshaggah]

he jumps out of character to often and to quickly to be anything other than a scam

not buying it - sorry!

[chuff me dizzy]

he jumps out of character to often and to quickly to be anything other than a scam

not buying it - sorry!

When Maloney and Audley were talking its was on the tip of Maloneys tongue "Man to man "