The Live Feed is an actual proof of how vile Gary has been treated.

[rubberface]

(to whom they havent seen it, might not be available in UK)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGrtKezS9s



And for David to have the nerve to say that Gary is the problem..

[Xtopher]

Yup, it was really hard to watch tonight.

[Marsh.]

That Stephanie is a wench.

[achro]

Hopefully they keep doing it so Gary will win instead of annoying George.

[Patricia4]

On live feed lastnight I watched and people didn't want to talk to him he went to talk to George he spoke a couple of words to him and walked away Gary then went to the kitchen area and Ricci and James walked away from him nobody want's to talk to this guy.Dee then went from the garden and slagged him off for no reason at all what is up with these nasty folk.

[Vanessa]

Hopefully they keep doing it so Gary will win instead of annoying George.

This! They're actually making Gary even more popular. The fools! :joker:

[poppsywoppsy]

I watched James say to Gary, Dont interrupt and then go into a long diatribe with poor old Gary unable to get a word in edge ways.

That is not discussion, it is sheer harassment, saying how wonderful James is, blaming his bad reception on Gary and showing no respect for his disabilities, life experiences or age.

James Jordan makes me sick.

[Vanessa]

I watched James say to Gary, Dont interrupt and then go into a long diatribe with poor old Gary unable to get a word in edge ways.

That is not discussion, it is sheer harassment, saying how wonderful James is, blaming his bad reception on Gary and showing no respect for his disabilities, life experiences or age.

James Jordan makes me sick.

Gary's fault! This reminds me of last hear Jim's fault. :joker:

[poppsywoppsy]

Gary's fault! This reminds me of last hear Jim's fault. :joker:

Yes you are spot on, I hadn't thought of that:blush:

[Jules2]

I watched it, it makes my blood boil. Gary puts to much faith in James, J is only trying to boost his own ego and whats this fascination with Stephanie. What was the thing with the suitcase, he made that an excuse for nominating Gary. Then he wants to explain to Gary why he did it, Gary wasnt interested to begin with and just wanted to tell James that he was ok and he held no grudges against anyone. James continues and browbeats G into listening. The horrible little Stephanie is sulking in bed, even though James told G. to go on out into the main room and that Stephanie and him werent going to talk about G. they did!! What a two faced little plonker he is. I wa beginning to have just a little bit of compassion for J but no, he has to go.

The sheep pen have declared that each one of them said moreorless the same thing about Gary so there must be some truth in it. On the other hand could it just be that they havent got any individual thoughts of their own. It only takes one to set the pattern and then, hey presto, off they go.. How does a sheep go, is it Baa......! I guess we could say Bah Humbug!

Had to fast forward David, what a plonker he is, said little in the house but much outside. I sincerely hope we do not have too much of the idiot. Looks and body arent everything all they do is to feed the ego but, ego can very often let you down. Gary was correct, he is a youngun and he has lots to learn, more than most I would say. I wonder how many mirrors he has in his bedroom?

[Vanessa]

Yes you are spot on, I hadn't thought of that:blush:

if they carry on like this Gary will win. :fan:

[chuff me dizzy]

(to whom they havent seen it, might not be available in UK)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGrtKezS9s



And for David to have the nerve to say that Gary is the problem..

They ALL say Gary is the problem and they are living with him

[mr rochester]

It made very uncomfortable viewing - James just rams his opinions down Gary's throat over and over. He is completely vile, offensive and dare I say it - a bully. Boy is he a bully. What planet is he on not to know why he was booed? Yuk.

[jaxie]

You're repeating yourself a lot Chuff, but I'm not seeing much in the way of genuine things Gary has said that are unpleasant to the housemates. On the other hand lots of us can quote you nasty things the others have said about or to Gary.

Personally if people were speaking to me the way they are talking to Gary I'd be telling them where to get off. I admire his restraint. I'd wipe the floor with dear old Dee and pwecious little Stephanie.

[FlippingEck]

"Harrassment" lol. Oh how quaint. Im going to be really kind to everyone and give you an early Christmas present.

www.dictionary.com if you look on this site, you will be able to find the meanings of the words you're using.. :idc:

[FlippingEck]

I love how the majority of last night's live feed is covered over with bird song, and yet you all heard how vile James was to Gary.. and how horrible Stephanie is... ironic huh?

[jessicadanielle]

I love how the majority of last night's live feed is covered over with bird song, and yet you all heard how vile James was to Gary.. and how horrible Stephanie is... ironic huh?

LOL what point are you even making? Why can't you just accept that sometimes they are horrible to Gary, even if you don't like him?

Really does my head in when people can't ever acknowledge that their favourite is sometimes a d*ck and their least favourite is sometimes nice. We're all human.

[Robodog]

Totally agree with OP.

I wrote this on a similar thread last night so apologies for repeating myself but i'm glad to see so many others agree as it was really horrible watching James talk to Gary last night on the LF.

All i could think for 15 minutes is "GIVE IT UP MATE AND LEAVE GARY ALONE !!"

You know what was REALLY going in James' head last night? Two things.

1. The crowd shouting 'Get James out'.
2. BB relaying James's exact conversation about Audley.

His ego has been pricked by the BB crowd and BB have shamed him further by reading out his exact words over Audley. It has really shaken up his bottle and humiliated and frustrated him.

And so he then goes and takes out that frustration on Gary with another torrent of 'education' and his 'sugar-coated' poison, pretending to 'help' Gary while all the while belittling him and rudely muttering 'oh my god. are you joking etc' under his breath so Gary can't hear him.

That irritating patronising, controlling rudeness delivered with a smug little smile and all the while saying it to Gary as if it's 'for your own good'

It's not just what he says - but HOW he says it, his tone of voice - his lecturing.

You know who else acted exactly that way? Pauline !!

Forget comparisons with Steven Goode - James is the new Pauline.

[LukeB]

live feed or no live feed we already they been vile towards him

[Tarryn]

Maybe after last night Audley may start to stand up for Gary, if only to annoy James & Stephanie.
James is such a little twat. He makes my blood boil. I loved how he started to crawl to Audley when BB revealed he & Stephanie's conversation about him. He is totally afraid of him.
I wish Gary would get up & smack him in his horrible little face :dance:

[Josy]

Yeah the live feed showed that they are horrible to him to an even worse extent than what the highlights show. It's disgusting.

Even if you do have a problem with someone you don't completely outcast them, refuse to speak to them at all, completely make them feel that they have no one in there they can speak to.

Dee stuck out for me the most last night, scurrying into the house and telling the others she was 'cornered by him' that's a blatant lie and we saw it, Gary started a conversation with her and that's it.

They disgust me.

[Vanessa]

Yeah the live feed showed that they are horrible to him to an even worse extent than what the highlights show. It's disgusting.

Even if you do have a problem with someone you don't completely outcast them, refuse to speak to them at all, completely make them feel that they have no one in there they can speak to.

Dee stuck out for me the most last night, scurrying into the house and telling the others she was 'cornered by him' that's a blatant lie and we saw it, Gary started a conversation with her and that's it.

They disgust me.

I'm glad he has Frenchie in there. She understands him.

[jaxie]

LOL what point are you even making? Why can't you just accept that sometimes they are horrible to Gary, even if you don't like him?

Really does my head in when people can't ever acknowledge that their favourite is sometimes a d*ck and their least favourite is sometimes nice. We're all human.

I agree and I've noticed they then try to project their own behaviour onto people who like the person they don't by claiming they don't see any fault with them.

I admit Gary is my fav. I don't like how he is being treated. That is a long way from thinking he is perfect.

[jessicadanielle]

Yeah the live feed showed that they are horrible to him to an even worse extent than what the highlights show. It's disgusting.

Even if you do have a problem with someone you don't completely outcast them, refuse to speak to them at all, completely make them feel that they have no one in there they can speak to.

Dee stuck out for me the most last night, scurrying into the house and telling the others she was 'cornered by him' that's a blatant lie and we saw it, Gary started a conversation with her and that's it.

They disgust me.

I know Dee really p***ed me off. Wish they'd stop demonising everything he does.

[jaxie]

Yeah the live feed showed that they are horrible to him to an even worse extent than what the highlights show. It's disgusting.

Even if you do have a problem with someone you don't completely outcast them, refuse to speak to them at all, completely make them feel that they have no one in there they can speak to.

Dee stuck out for me the most last night, scurrying into the house and telling the others she was 'cornered by him' that's a blatant lie and we saw it, Gary started a conversation with her and that's it.

They disgust me.

I agree with pretty much all of your posts.

[chuff me dizzy]

I love how the majority of last night's live feed is covered over with bird song, and yet you all heard how vile James was to Gary.. and how horrible Stephanie is... ironic huh?

Yes it was like that on my tv too :conf: are you on Virgin ? Sky maybe didn't have the birdsong so thats why folks will be able to state as fact what was said :shrug:

[Josy]

Yes it was like that on my tv too :conf: are you on Virgin ? Sky maybe didn't have the birdsong so thats why folks will be able to state as fact what was said :shrug:

It wasn't just how they were speaking.

It was how some of them walked away from him when he tried to start a conversation. Some of them spoke to him for a few seconds then walked away muttering when they know he can't hear them, it's isolating him and I really don't know how anyone can deny it happened whether you like Gary or not, no one deserves to be treated like that.

[Patricia4]

Chuff you don't have to hear a lot you can watch and the people who he went to talk to didn't want to know him they ignored him or turned their back on him it was very plain to see.

[chuff me dizzy]

It wasn't just how they were speaking.

It was how some of them walked away from him when he tried to start a conversation. Some of them spoke to him for a few seconds then walked away muttering when they know he can't hear them, it's isolating him and I really don't know how anyone can deny it happened whether you like Gary or not, no one deserves to be treated like that.

Hes worn the same clothes since he went in there, a few have commented on his hygiene i would walk away too

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff you don't have to hear a lot you can watch and the people who he went to talk to didn't want to know him they ignored him or turned their back on him it was very plain to see.

Sorry Patricia I cannot blame them

[Josy]

Hes worn the same clothes since he went in there, a few have commented on his hygiene i would walk away too

He hasn't worn the same clothes since entering, that's not true.

Yeah a few people have mentioned his hygiene but maybe they should mention it to him? he doesn't refuse to get showered if remembered to do it, he has a brain injury and these people need gentle reminding sometimes.

[jessicadanielle]

Hes worn the same clothes since he went in there, a few have commented on his hygiene i would walk away too

Tbh it's not very nice of you to justify their isolating behaviour towards him with insults about his clothing and hygiene. Reminds me of school.

[chuff me dizzy]

He hasn't worn the same clothes since entering, that's not true.

Yeah a few people have mentioned his hygiene but maybe they should mention it to him? he doesn't refuse to get showered if remembered to do it, he has a brain injury and these people need gentle reminding sometimes.

James did ,and kindly took him to the shower waited for him while the dirty old pratt flashed his bits to the world ,he then put the same clothes back on

[chuff me dizzy]

Tbh it's not very nice of you to justify their isolating behaviour towards him with insults about his clothing and hygiene. Reminds me of school.

I would never choose to sit next to someone who smells, eats like a pig

[Josy]

I would never choose to sit next to someone who smells, eats like a pig

Well you could spare a few seconds explaining to them that they should maybe have a shower or a wash.

The intolerance of some people towards a 70 year old man with a brain injury actually disgusts me.

[Liam-]

He hasn't worn the same clothes since entering, that's not true.

Yeah a few people have mentioned his hygiene but maybe they should mention it to him? he doesn't refuse to get showered if remembered to do it, he has a brain injury and these people need gentle reminding sometimes.

But when someone did mention his hygiene to him and told him some people might be avoiding him because he hadn't showered in a week, he was labelled as the devil incarnated and was apparently spiteful when he did so :shrug:

[Josy]

But when someone did mention his hygiene to him and told him some people might be avoiding him because he hadn't showered in a week, he was labelled as the devil incarnated and was apparently spiteful when he did so :shrug:

Well that's not really true is it?

A lot of comments on here were saying yeah James was right to tell him he needed to shower, and I agree.

[Liam-]

Well that's not really true is it?

A lot of comments on here were saying yeah James was right to tell him he needed to shower, and I agree.

But it is true though, a lot of people said he was only saying it to be spiteful, that he wasn't saying it to help Gary, but only to try and embarrass him.

[jessicadanielle]

But it is true though, a lot of people said he was only saying it to be spiteful, that he wasn't saying it to help Gary, but only to try and embarrass him.

I think that was more about James's attitude in general towards Gary. He is very patronising and condescending, and said it mid conversation when Gary was confiding in him about Stephanie hating him.

I believed it was right of James to mention it to Gary, it's just the way he does things that really rubs me up the wrong way. He just shows little compassion and talks at people lecture-style imo. Not sure if that's why others were annoyed with James talking to Gary about showering but it was for me personally.

[Liam-]

I think that was more about James's attitude in general towards Gary. He is very patronising and condescending, and said it mid conversation when Gary was confiding in him about Stephanie hating him.

I believed it was right of James to mention it to Gary, it's just the way he does things that really rubs me up the wrong way. He just shows little compassion and talks at people lecture-style imo. Not sure if that's why others were annoyed with James talking to Gary about showering but it was for me personally.

Gary asked him why Stephanie didn't like him, one of the reasons why Stephanie doesn't like him is that she's a germaphobe and Gary doesn't look after his hygiene very well, he only sounded patronizing when he was saying it because he has to speak slowly and clearly for Gary to be able to understand him, which has been acknowledged as many people on here, so i genuinely don't understand why people are saying James was in the wrong in that situation :shrug:

[ThriceShy]

I would never choose to sit next to someone who smells, eats like a pig

One day it might be you that gets a brain injury and you would be the one sat there having forgotten to shower and eating like a pig. You would soon complain.

Why do some people parade their lack of empathy so proudly?

[ThriceShy]

Gary asked him why Stephanie didn't like him, one of the reasons why Stephanie doesn't like him is that she's a germaphobe and Gary doesn't look after his hygiene very well, he only sounded patronizing when he was saying it because he has to speak slowly and clearly for Gary to be able to understand him, which has been acknowledged as many people on here, so i genuinely don't understand why people are saying James was in the wrong in that situation :shrug:

Yet this supposed "Germophobe" thought that Lauren pissing in the pool was funny.

[Liam-]

Yet this supposed "Germophobe" thought that Lauren pissing in the pool was funny.

Was she in the pool with her when she did it though? There's a big difference

[ThriceShy]

Was she in the pool with her when she did it though? There's a big difference

Where is the difference?

Pissing in the pool just shows Lauren up as a total sket and far more unhygienic than Gary.

Stephanie doesn't care really about Gary's hygiene. It is just a pathetic school yard way of bullying him. If Gary pissed in the pool we would never hear the end of it, simply because it is Gary.

[jessicadanielle]

Where is the difference?

Pissing in the pool just shows Lauren up as a total sket and far more unhygienic than Gary.

Stephanie doesn't care really about Gary's hygiene. It is just a pathetic school yard way of bullying him. If Gary pissed in the pool we would never hear the end of it, simply because it is Gary.

I have suspicions about this too but we can't be sure I suppose.

[Liam-]

Where is the difference?

Pissing in the pool just shows Lauren up as a total sket and far more unhygienic than Gary.

Stephanie doesn't care really about Gary's hygiene. It is just a pathetic school yard way of bullying him. If Gary pissed in the pool we would never hear the end of it, simply because it is Gary.

No it doesn't.. If someone urinates in a pool (it shouldn't be done anyway because it's gross, but it happens) it gets washed away and the water is sterile anyway because of the chlorine.. Gary didn't wash for nearly 7 days, nor does he flush the toilet after himself, that is far more unhygienic.

[chuff me dizzy]

Where is the difference?

Pissing in the pool just shows Lauren up as a total sket and far more unhygienic than Gary.

Stephanie doesn't care really about Gary's hygiene. It is just a pathetic school yard way of bullying him. If Gary pissed in the pool we would never hear the end of it, simply because it is Gary.

No ones said it was ok for Lauren to pee in the pool, and when did Stephanie tell you she had no problem with Buseys hygiene ?

[chuff me dizzy]

One day it might be you that gets a brain injury and you would be the one sat there having forgotten to shower and eating like a pig. You would soon complain.

Why do some people parade their lack of empathy so proudly?

He should have stayed at home then ,he's in there to be judged the same as everyone else

[ThriceShy]

No ones said it was ok for Lauren to pee in the pool, and when did Stephanie tell you she had no problem with Buseys hygiene ?

When Lauren said about peeing in the pool Stephanie laughed. That is what tells me that she doesn't really have an issue with bad hygiene.

She only pretends to when it involves someone that her group are bullying.

[ThriceShy]

He should have stayed at home then ,he's in there to be judged the same as everyone else

You want to judge people on their disabilities?:conf:

[ThriceShy]

No it doesn't.. If someone urinates in a pool (it shouldn't be done anyway because it's gross, but it happens) it gets washed away and the water is sterile anyway because of the chlorine.. Gary didn't wash for nearly 7 days, nor does he flush the toilet after himself, that is far more unhygienic.

Do you have a source for the bit in bold?

[Liam-]

You want to judge people on their disabilities?:conf:

:facepalm: He is not being judged on his disabilities!
He is being judged on his attitude towards other people and how he treats other people, he can't help his disabilities, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass to be a douche nugget.

[ThriceShy]

:facepalm: He is not being judged on his disabilities!
He is being judged on his attitude towards other people and how he treats other people, he can't help his disabilities, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass to be a douche nugget.

In what way does he behave badly? I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

[Jules2]

Maybe after last night Audley may start to stand up for Gary, if only to annoy James & Stephanie.
James is such a little twat. He makes my blood boil. I loved how he started to crawl to Audley when BB revealed he & Stephanie's conversation about him. He is totally afraid of him.
I wish Gary would get up & smack him in his horrible little face :dance:

LOL the trouble is then people will say there, Gary is now showing his true colours. He wont win regardless and tbh I do not think anyone will risk not being part of the fold and stand up for him. Gary was at his best when he was secluded with three others in the rubbish dump. Even Kellie was talking to him and standing up for him against Dee but, as soon as he was out he went back to the fold and began to join in. He should be careful really as he to needs a lot of understanding.

There is a conversation on line of three, George, James and Kellie chatting, talk about interrupting each other, they just kept on talking over each other!! It is a shame they dont take a lesson out of their own criticisms of Gary, at least he has a plausible excuse which they should at least try and undestand.

On another note, have we ever heard James stand up for Gary in a genuine way? He declared to him in the live feed that he had actually risked it as everyone was against G. Little does he know the tide is turning. I am waiting for it to turn on Dee.
.

[Liam-]

In what way does he behave badly? I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

Of course you haven't, because he's bullied and he's the eternal victim right?
I'm not going to list every single thing he's done wrong, because even if i do, people are going to make excuses for him, so whats the point? :laugh:

[jessicadanielle]

:facepalm: He is not being judged on his disabilities!
He is being judged on his attitude towards other people and how he treats other people, he can't help his disabilities, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass to be a douche nugget.

On the forum he's being judged for his behaviour, but in the house I believe he's being judged on his disabilities at times. It just showed in David's interview when he was mad that he had to repeat himself to Gary, and in some weird way claimed his deafness was manipulative? Didn't get it.

In what way does he behave badly? I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

Stop! You'll give us Gary fans a bad name! :laugh::tongue:
He does put a foot wrong sometimes just like everybody else on this earth. He's only human! He still doesn't deserve the way he's treated by some hms though.

[Jules2]

:facepalm: He is not being judged on his disabilities!
He is being judged on his attitude towards other people and how he treats other people, he can't help his disabilities, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass to be a douche nugget.

Definitely not (mind you I do not undetstand what a douche nugget is) but it does determine the need for empathy, understanding and patience. It isnt Gary I feel sorry for tbh as if he comes out he will be able to hold his head high knowing that he has been himself and hasnt run anyone down. He hasnt bitched or been nasty. It is the rest of them that I truly do feel sorry for. With time comes age and they ned to consider their future. As I see it it will all fall down on them ......... and the walls came tumbling down!!

[chuff me dizzy]

:facepalm: He is not being judged on his disabilities!
He is being judged on his attitude towards other people and how he treats other people, he can't help his disabilities, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass to be a douche nugget.

As per usual spot on ,I dont give a flying one about his disability I do give one on his actions though, he's not helped at all in the house ,sat there to be waited on ,tried to get out of being on the scrap heap by throwing the disabled card ,cannot even be bothered to shower and change his clothes

[Liam-]

On the forum he's being judged for his behaviour, but in the house I believe he's being judged on his disabilities at times. It just showed in David's interview when he was mad that he had to repeat himself to Gary, and in some weird way claimed his deafness was manipulative? Didn't get it.

Yeah i do believe that they could be a bit more patient with him when it comes to his hearing, but i do think that David is right in the case that Gary plays up to his disabilities a little bit to wind people up, because he does seem like a bit of a wind up merchant, so if he is doing that then i can easily see why so many people get frustrated with him :laugh:

[ThriceShy]

As per usual spot on ,I dont give a flying one about his disability I do give one on his actions though, he's not helped at all in the house ,sat there to be waited on ,tried to get out of being on the scrap heap by throwing the disabled card ,cannot even be bothered to shower and change his clothes

That behaviour is caused by his disability. People with brain injuries often forget to do things like shower.

You are just condoning the bullying of a disabled person for his disabilities. I hope you are just trying to be controversial and don't really mean it.

[ThriceShy]

On the forum he's being judged for his behaviour, but in the house I believe he's being judged on his disabilities at times. It just showed in David's interview when he was mad that he had to repeat himself to Gary, and in some weird way claimed his deafness was manipulative? Didn't get it.



Stop! You'll give us Gary fans a bad name! :laugh::tongue:
He does put a foot wrong sometimes just like everybody else on this earth. He's only human! He still doesn't deserve the way he's treated by some hms though.

I didn't say he has never put a foot wrong. Please read my post again.

[jessicadanielle]

Yeah i do believe that they could be a bit more patient with him when it comes to his hearing, but i do think that David is right in the case that Gary plays up to his disabilities a little bit to wind people up, because he does seem like a bit of a wind up merchant, so if he is doing that then i can easily see why so many people get frustrated with him :laugh:

Yeah I still can't decide whether I think he plays it up or not! But he did seem a bit of a wind up merchant when he would smirk at Leslie while he was going mad at him :laugh: that would p**s me right off!

[jessicadanielle]

I didn't say he has never put a foot wrong. Please read my post again.

You said you'd never seen him put a foot wrong? Is that not the same thing?

[Jules2]

As per usual spot on ,I dont give a flying one about his disability I do give one on his actions though, he's not helped at all in the house ,sat there to be waited on ,tried to get out of being on the scrap heap by throwing the disabled card ,cannot even be bothered to shower and change his clothes

We only have the others words that he doesnt change his clothes and that he doesnt shower. He may just wash, that is just as refreshing, he obviously shaves. Can you honestly see them letting him help in the kitchen, the kitchen belongs to those who like to put themselves forward for protection.

That is the only place that they seem to congregate and as soon as Gary appears they tend to walk away.........Now as regards the scrap heap as we have said before many HMs have been allowed not to take part in things because of health reasons. All he asked for was that he didnt have to sleep out there. Other than that he fitted in and enjoyed it. Whilst we are on the subjec what about one or two of the others who had a hissey fit?

[ThriceShy]

You said you'd never seen him put a foot wrong? Is that not the same thing?

No it isn't.

The point is that I have watched everything we have been given to watch. All the highlights, live feed etc and I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

So my question to the other poster was what have they seen him do.

[ThriceShy]

All the people who keep embarrassing themselves with talk of Gary not showering, could you please read this factsheet on the effects of acquired brain injury:

http://synapse.org.au/get-the-facts/impact-of-acquired-brain-injury-on-the-individual-fact-sheet.aspx

In particular look at this bit:

If the problem is severe they may need prompting just to have a shower and get dressed or to participate in a conversation.

Sounds exactly like Gary doesn't it? And he just happens to have an acquired brain injury.

Stop condoning the bullying of someone due to their disability. It might seem like a fun way to troll but it is actually just vile.

[jessicadanielle]

No it isn't.

The point is that I have watched everything we have been given to watch. All the highlights, live feed etc and I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

So my question to the other poster was what have they seen him do.

Ok... :suspect:

All the people who keep embarrassing themselves with talk of Gary not showering, could you please read this factsheet on the effects of acquired brain injury:

http://synapse.org.au/get-the-facts/impact-of-acquired-brain-injury-on-the-individual-fact-sheet.aspx

In particular look at this bit:


Sounds exactly like Gary doesn't it? And he just happens to have an acquired brain injury.

Stop condoning the bullying of someone due to their disability. It might seem like a fun way to troll but it is actually just vile.

I'm surprised that website exists since brain injury can be soooooo varied. If the brain damage was in his visual areas for example (which I doubt it is), that would have no effect on his memory or motivation to shower. Not sure if we can attribute Gary's behaviour to his brain injury, but it could be a factor I suppose.

[chuff me dizzy]

That behaviour is caused by his disability. People with brain injuries often forget to do things like shower.

You are just condoning the bullying of a disabled person for his disabilities. I hope you are just trying to be controversial and don't really mean it.

oh fgs how silly

[Liam-]

That behaviour is caused by his disability. People with brain injuries often forget to do things like shower.

You are just condoning the bullying of a disabled person for his disabilities. I hope you are just trying to be controversial and don't really mean it.

No-one is condoning anything, as you rightly said in a different thread, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so please get off your high horse and stop trying to make other people feel bad for their opinion, that isn't nice to see.

[Liam-]

[/B]

Definitely not (mind you I do not undetstand what a douche nugget is) but it does determine the need for empathy, understanding and patience. It isnt Gary I feel sorry for tbh as if he comes out he will be able to hold his head high knowing that he has been himself and hasnt run anyone down. He hasnt bitched or been nasty. It is the rest of them that I truly do feel sorry for. With time comes age and they ned to consider their future. As I see it it will all fall down on them ......... and the walls came tumbling down!!

I would tell you what it means, but i wouldn't want to be crude :joker:

[ThriceShy]

Ok... :suspect:



I'm surprised that website exists since brain injury can be soooooo varied. If the brain damage was in his visual areas for example (which I doubt it is), that would have no effect on his memory or motivation to shower. Not sure if we can attribute Gary's behaviour to his brain injury, but it could be a factor I suppose.

All you have to do is take a look at him before the brain problems.

That man has had a severe brain trauma when he came off his motorbike but he also had tumours and had to have 2 brain operations to have them removed. All of his behaviour is attributable to it.

Stop and think what you are posting. Saying things like "Helen is so nice" or "Rachel Rice was dead exciting" are fun ways to troll. Condoning the mass bullying of a man due to his disability isn't.

[jessicadanielle]

All you have to do is take a look at him before the brain problems.

That man has had a severe brain trauma when he came off his motorbike but he also had tumours and had to have 2 brain operations to have them removed. All of his behaviour is attributable to it.

Stop and think what you are posting. Saying things like "Helen is so nice" or "Rachel Rice was dead exciting" are fun ways to troll. Condoning the mass bullying of a man due to his disability isn't.

Hahahaha have you EVER seen me post that I condone bullying of a disabled person?! In my last post, did I mention anything about how he is treated? No. I just said we can't guarantee that him not showering is attributable to his disorder. I also didn't say it was justified how they are treating him regardless of whether he had a disability or not. Some of his behaviour is due to hearing disability and the hms are very intolerant of him because of it, it's awful.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you about one little thing doesn't mean they completely disagree with you and therefore "condone bullying". It isn't all black and white like that.

[ThriceShy]

Hahahaha have you EVER seen me post that I condone bullying of a disabled person?! In my last post, did I mention anything about how he is treated? No. I just said we can't guarantee that him not showering is attributable to his disorder. I also didn't say it was justified how they are treating him regardless of whether he had a disability or not. Some of his behaviour is due to hearing disability and the hms are very intolerant of him because of it, it's awful.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you about one little thing doesn't mean they completely disagree with you and therefore "condone bullying". It isn't all black and white like that.

Look, it is no skin off my nose either way. I can't lose in this. I support gary and it looks very much like he will win, or at least do better than the main bullies.

What I am trying to do is help you. Some people don't realise how their words can be perceived. If people tried to help gary in that way then there might not be such a problem.

[jessicadanielle]

Look, it is no skin off my nose either way. I can't lose in this. I support gary and it looks very much like he will win, or at least do better than the main bullies.

What I am trying to do is help you. Some people don't realise how their words can be perceived. If people tried to help gary in that way then there might not be such a problem.

:laugh2::laugh2: sounds like you're trying to help me in the same way that James tries to help Gary - talking down to people, lecturing without really listening to what the other person is saying. I also support Gary, he's my favourite, but don't see the need to whip out vague websites on random symptoms of brain damage to justify my support.

[Livia]

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

[Josy]

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

:clap1:

[jessicadanielle]

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

Couldn't have put it better myself! Can't believe people criticise Gary for being rude when he doesn't do any of the things you listed above which many other hms are guilty of time and time again and are extreeemely rude. Great post.

[ThriceShy]

:laugh2::laugh2: sounds like you're trying to help me in the same way that James tries to help Gary - talking down to people, lecturing without really listening to what the other person is saying. I also support Gary, he's my favourite, but don't see the need to whip out vague websites on random symptoms of brain damage to justify my support.

You should really be able to accept the consequences of a brain injury without being provided with a website link.

[jet]

Gary was talked down to and seemed to be isolated last night. It was uncomfortable viewing.That live feed was just after live nominations though when tensions and feelings are running high and as most of the HM's nominated him, they might have felt uncomfortable themselves interacting with him. It's maybe not a good example of what a normal everyday live feed may be like. If I went by that alone, I would think Gary was being treated badly, no doubt about it.
Then I think of Celeb Apprentice usa, and he drove everyone up the wall on it as well and they hadn't much patience for him either. So that's two shows and 20 + people who are all pretty heartless and uncaring, and by the law of averages that just doesn't compute. So common sense tells me that many of those people have tried in their own way with Gary and he still bugs the hell out of them for whatever reason.
I think he could be manipulative, I think he could be winding people up sometimes. He did it in the USA show, but it was clearer there because they were in situations were they had to work together constantly on campaigns, sales etc. .
So I just don't know what to make of it, but wherever he goes, he causes controversy and it's brilliant viewing. Can anyone imagine what this series would be like without him?

[Jules2]

Gary was talked down to and seemed to be isolated last night. It was uncomfortable viewing.That live feed was just after live nominations though when tensions and feelings are running high and as most of the HM's nominated him, they might have felt uncomfortable themselves interacting with him. It's maybe not a good example of what a normal everyday live feed may be like. If I went by that alone, I would think Gary was being treated badly, no doubt about it.
Then I think of Celeb Apprentice usa, and he drove everyone up the wall on it as well and they hadn't much patience for him either. So that's two shows and 20 + people who are all pretty heartless and uncaring, and by the law of averages that just doesn't compute. So common sense tells me that many of those people have tried in their own way with Gary and he still bugs the hell out of them for whatever reason.
I think he could be manipulative, I think he could be winding people up sometimes. He did it in the USA show, but it was clearer there because they were in situations were they had to work together constantly on campaigns, sales etc. .
So I just don't know what to make of it, but wherever he goes, he causes controversy and it's brilliant viewing. Can anyone imagine what this series would be like without him?

I didnt see the show but I do know that he was accused of taking something which he didnt do but the accuser really did his nut, oh boy!!! Also Gary must have pushed someone, denied it but then owned up publicy that he did do it.

In the beginning I did think that we shoudnt underestimate him but the more I watch him the more vunerable he seems sometimes to the point of being really naive. Having said this though, we havent seen him complain or point a finger, he just seems to be grateful for his lot and accepts things as they are. It will be interesting to see him out of the house where he will be able to chat to people who will listen.

I personally would love to sit and talk to him without being at all condescending. Would love to hear his tales and to delve deeper into his spirituality theories. I agree the show would be very boring without him.

[chuff me dizzy]

Its not just about bitching, it about joining in ,pulling your weight being considerate of others by keeping yourself clean

[chuff me dizzy]

Let put what happened onto someone else's back ,if James,George was flashing his tackle about you lot would be up in arms, this dirty gett does it and its ok ? no its not

[Robodog]

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

Totally totally true.

Neither does Gary feel the need to tell HMs "i'm trying to educate you.. again!" like James said to him the other night.

In fact i don't think i've heard Gary say one bad word about the others, in the diary room or otherwise. Pretty amazing considering.

[warrenhill]

Its bullying and of the lowest form.....


I cant believe C5 are letting this go .....:nono:

[ThriceShy]

Its not just about bitching, it about joining in ,pulling your weight being considerate of others by keeping yourself clean

But Gary has an acquired brain injury, the symptoms of which include not being considerate and not being motivated and not looking after yourself hygiene wise.

You could argue that he shouldn't be there with such a disability but all it would take is a bit of consideration from the vile bully gang.

[smileymummy]

They ALL say Gary is the problem and they are living with him

Wheres carl pilkington when hes doing that dance on you post? looks fun! lol

[HBB1508]

I read this thread yesterday and couldn't comment as I hadn't seen the live feed - I watched it last night and am really not sure what all the furore is about really. Yes James had words but he is allowed to air how he feels as much as any of them to another HM - the way he talks to Gary could be taken as condescending but I think he is talking to him as if he thinks that Gary lip reads - that's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how it comes across to me. I would agree with James that Gary thinks that as he is a big star people should stop talking and engage him.

Claire and Dee both spoke to him when he went into the garden so I don't see him being blanked there at all.

It was only in the kitchen that he appeared to be socially awkward following people around and just hanging out and that is probably down to him not being able to hear when there are so many voices in the room.

I admire Gary for his acting and I think he's a great housemate but I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses.

[jessicadanielle]

I read this thread yesterday and couldn't comment as I hadn't seen the live feed - I watched it last night and am really not sure what all the furore is about really. Yes James had words but he is allowed to air how he feels as much as any of them to another HM - the way he talks to Gary could be taken as condescending but I think he is talking to him as if he thinks that Gary lip reads - that's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how it comes across to me. I would agree with James that Gary thinks that as he is a big star people should stop talking and engage him.

Claire and Dee both spoke to him when he went into the garden so I don't see him being blanked there at all.

It was only in the kitchen that he appeared to be socially awkward following people around and just hanging out and that is probably down to him not being able to hear when there are so many voices in the room.

I admire Gary for his acting and I think he's a great housemate but I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses.

For me personally, it upset me how on three occasions hms were like sniggering/isolating/bitching about him. When he left James and Stephanie after Stephanie was rude to Gary about hanging around, they were bitching about him. He went and sat talking to Dee and Claire outside, and then when Dee entered the living room she told the whole room Gary had "cornered her" which was just a lie to make him look bad. Then at the end we see him talk to George about his hearing difficulties and he brushed him off with a comment about sign language and walked away where Gary was sat alone. Its becoming like theyre constantly telling Gary what his faults are, talking behind his back, or just ignoring him. So unpleasant to watch.

[HBB1508]

For me personally, it upset me how on three occasions hms were like sniggering/isolating/bitching about him. When he left james and Stephanie after Stephanie was rude to Gary about hanging around, they were bitching about him. He went and sat talking to Dee and Claire outside, and then when Dee emtered the living room she told the whole room Gary had "cornered her" which was jusy ablie to make him look bad. Then at the end we see him talk to george about his hearing difficulties and he brushed him off with a comment about sign language and walked away where gary was sat alone. Its becoming like theyre constantly telling Gaey was hos faults are, talking behind his back, or just ignoring him. So unpleasant to watch. t

Fair enough, but for me they are all earning a lot of money to be there and they are all playing the game. They all bitch about each other to some extent and are doing themselves no favours with their behaviour. Let them crack on and shoot themselves in the foot. I'm sure there is a lot in the editing that we don't see which is why so many of the HM's have problems with Gary - I'm hoping it will be shown at some point so the voters can then make their own minds up.

[CaudleHalbard]

I think BB is very carefully editing the highlights so as not to show the true picture of what it is like to live with Gary.

I have a feeling if we saw a more accurate representation, he would be bottom of the popularity list and not top.

I suspect he is appalling rude and has hygiene issues. And that is why he got 8 noms.

The housemates probably feel more sympathy for James who in his own bumbling incompetent way is attempting to get Gary to change. A fruitless exercise but there it is.

[jessicadanielle]

Fair enough, but for me they are all earning a lot of money to be there and they are all playing the game. They all bitch about each other to some extent and are doing themselves no favours with their behaviour. Let them crack on and shoot themselves in the foot. I'm sure there is a lot in the editing that we don't see which is why so many of the HM's have problems with Gary - I'm hoping it will be shown at some point so the voters can then make their own minds up.

I see what you mean but there are ways of playing the game without constantly "picking on" one person. On the live feed it was almost as if it was edited to show us how much people dislike Gary cause it was nearly constantly about him, yet we didn't see him do anything wrong.

I'm not claiming Gary never does anything wrong, of course he does, but the way he constantly has it thrown at him by some housemates just seems disproportionate to what he has done. :shrug:

I was suspicious about the edit too until the live feed. Gary waited patiently while James and Stephanie spoke to Audley, but they make out like Gary aaaalways interrupts conversations. James and Stephanie had a right old laugh at the fact that when Stephanie shouted James over (when James and Gary were leaving the room together) Gary stayed behind too. I really don't see what's so crazy about that, I'd hang behind too. Dee lied about Gary to sort of demonise him to the rest of the group - he hadn't cornered them, he went to speak to them then Dee brought up the fact that noms are brutal and she was mad that he was looking at her (wtf?). Just seems like on all these occasions we see examples of Gary doing nothing wrong but people still sniggering about him.

Just to repeat, I acknowledge that Gary isn't perfect. It just seemed from the live feed that no matter what he does they're p**sed off at him. It's as if they enjoy bitching about him to each other way too much.

[Angelika]

Yeah the live feed showed that they are horrible to him to an even worse extent than what the highlights show. It's disgusting.

Even if you do have a problem with someone you don't completely outcast them, refuse to speak to them at all, completely make them feel that they have no one in there they can speak to.

Dee stuck out for me the most last night, scurrying into the house and telling the others she was 'cornered by him' that's a blatant lie and we saw it, Gary started a conversation with her and that's it.

They disgust me.

They disgust me too!

What a vile bunch of human excrement! Not a decent or original thinking person in the house. All of them ganging up on Gary and treating I'm in the most appalling manner continually. It must very very difficult for Gary to be humiliated and made to feel disgusting every waking moment.

Big Brother should intervene more and punish the perpetrators on the spot.

They all see Gary as a threat to their own survival. Gary's takes their vile treatment like a man with great humility.

Non of these two bit jumped up supposed celebrities have a history as glittering as Gary's. They must be very stupid if they think cruelly tearing down another celebrity advances their own status or job prospects. I hope all of them find their work dries up after how they have behaved individually and as a group.

Audley's honours should be taken from him for his bigoted behavior towards Kellie and his disrespectful and patronising behaviour towards Gary.

[Liam-]

They disgust me too!

What a vile bunch of human excrement! Not a decent or original thinking person in the house. All of them ganging up on Gary and treating I'm in the most appalling manner continually. It must very very difficult for Gary to be humiliated and made to feel disgusting every waking moment.

Big Brother should intervene more and punish the perpetrators on the spot.

They all see Gary as a threat to their own survival. Gary's takes their vile treatment like a man with great humility.

Non of these two bit jumped up supposed celebrities have a history as glittering as Gary's. They must be very stupid if they think cruelly tearing down another celebrity advances their own status or job prospects. I hope all of them find their work dries up after how they have behaved individually and as a group.

Audley's honours should be taken from him for his bigoted behavior towards Kellie and his disrespectful and patronising behaviour towards Gary.

I sort of understand the majority of your post, because you're on the 'bullying' patrol bandwagon so fair enough..
but the bit in bold has to be one of the most ridiculous things i have seen on here in a long time, I'm not actually sure whether or not to believe that you mean it, but if you do then it is so incorrect it's almost comical.

[smileymummy]

I think BB is very carefully editing the highlights so as not to show the true picture of what it is like to live with Gary.

I have a feeling if we saw a more accurate representation, he would be bottom of the popularity list and not top.

I suspect he is appalling rude and has hygiene issues. And that is why he got 8 noms.

The housemates probably feel more sympathy for James who in his own bumbling incompetent way is attempting to get Gary to change. A fruitless exercise but there it is.

I suspect your very right,ever looked into his past?

[lostalex]

Why are the Americans always targeted by BB editors?

[smileymummy]

Why are the Americans always targeted by BB editors?

garys not being targetted,he being made to look like a victim,and i am not 100% sure but i think its all been edited to look like that!