Bully (overused word on the forums)

[rionablue]

I have been thinking about posting this thread for awhile and tonight with another few threads saying that housemates are being bullied has prompted me to finally put it out there (my views on it)

To me a bully is someone who belittles, abuses, verbally hurts, physically hurts a smaller or weaker person who is unable to stand up for themselves. I. like I am sure many other forum members was bullied from a very young age. I was one of the smallest in my class in school and was quite bright when it came to homework etc. Therefore I was picked on, my hair was pulled, the kids told the teacher I slapped them, my school bag destroyed, my copybooks written on.

I know that adults can also bully other adults so I am not saying that it just happens with kids. In all the years I have watched Big Brother (both civilian and celebrity) I have only seriously seen what I DEEM to be bullying in one series and that was when Jade and the other two girls bullied Shilpa. They kept attacking her for various reasons, her beliefs, her looks etc and almost backed her into a corner. There is NOBODY being bullied in the house at the moment. Sure they are all against Gary but he is taking it well and smiling away and just discarding the comments.

Having being bullied myself I am very very careful of the use of the word and I would urge everyone to think twice before they rant on about bullying. And before anyone says it I am fully aware that BB has called housemates to the diary room from time to time to ask them about their actions and telling them it could be perceived as bullying.

So sorry my post is so long and I hope that at least some of you can see where I am coming from

[Denver]

You do realise gary is being bullied

[the truth]

you sound like james giving his fake lecture to gary. gary is being bullied , mainly because of his disability, discrimination in one of its lowest forms. imagine how nasty these people would be with no cameras or in a care home?

[jaxie]

I think you are making a lot of fuss over a word when it's the behaviour you should be looking at.

Do I think Gary is being bullied? I would probably say no because I don't think he is feeling bullied, and I do think you have to feel it, though it is hard to tell because he doesn't make a fuss.

Do I think some of the housemates (a lot of them) are exhibiting bullying nasty behaviour? Absolutely.

Do -I- think they are bullies? Absolutely.

[Denver]

Also gary is being treated far worse than shilpa

[reece(:]

The more fitting word would be isolation, rather than bullying.

[Benjamin]

I do agree that generally on this forum the words bully/bullying are overused.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree that Gary isn't being bullied yet, but I do think that there is a lot of xenophobia going on in the house with comments like “French slut” and “the Americans” and “I don't like that French girl.”

But I actually think that the bully word was way more overused during BB15 than this series tbh as at least Gary and Frenchy are being genuinely isolated from the house and not forcing themselves out except for (Christopher and Ashleigh) but I suppose two strong bullying accusations back to back on the forum is enough to drive anyone insane.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree that Gary isn't being bullied yet, but I do think that there is a lot of xenophobia going on in the house with comments like “French slut” and “the Americans” and “I don't like that French girl.”

But I actually think that the bully word was way more overused during BB15 than this series tbh as at least Gary and Frenchy are being genuinely isolated from the house and not forcing themselves out except for (Christopher and Ashleigh) but I suppose two strong bullying accusations back to back on the forum is enough to drive anyone insane.

[Josy]

I hate how easily the word gets flung around tbh but this time I must admit I kinda agree with people that are saying it, not quite 100% but I'm leaning in that direction.

Live Feed after Wednesdays eviction was actually horrendous to watch.

Gary is being isolated in that house, targeted, blamed for things that he can't help, discriminated against and basically treated like crap.

Every time James pretends to be 'talking' to him it always ends with Gary having to say sorry for something or other.

Maybe not quite bullying yet but he is definitely being targeted and isolated.

[Pincho Paxton]

Typing 'Bully' is quicker than typing 'Gary is being picked on in a degrading, and hurtful manner." every time you want to describe what is happening.

[the truth]

gary is being bullied 100%. the fact hes an absolute legend and able to take it, is irrelevant to the fact he is still being bullied. the word bullied isnt over used its just used inappropriately at times. this is systematic 24 hours a day bullying. voting a man out because of his disability is the very essence of discrimination

[jaxie]

gary is being bullied 100%. the fact hes an absolute legend and able to take it, is irrelevant to the fact he is still being bullied. the word bullied isnt over used its just used inappropriately at times. this is systematic 24 hours a day bullying. voting a man out because of his disability is the very essence of discrimination

I think that discrimination may be a better way to describe what is happening in there than bullying but I'm not sure it's enough to describe the sort of humiliation they are heaping on him. I find it pretty disturbing but it's a relief that he doesn't seem to be taking it all to heart. Then again how can we possibly know what he is thinking.

[Northern Monkey]

Just because somebody does'nt act like a victim does'nt mean that they can't be bullied.

[the truth]

I think that discrimination may be a better way to describe what is happening in there than bullying but I'm not sure it's enough to describe the sort of humiliation they are heaping on him. I find it pretty disturbing but it's a relief that he doesn't seem to be taking it all to heart.

its bullying it really is

[smileymummy]

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

[the truth]

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

no. gary was bullied on live feed too.

[jaxie]

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

No I don't. It's too consistant and it's on the live feed. The nominations were horrid, the way Stephanie spoke to him was way out of line.

[Josy]

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

No definitely not, we saw it much clearer on the Live Feed and it was worse than what we see on the highlights IMO.

[smileymummy]

No I don't. It's too consistant and it's on the live feed. The nominations were horrid, the way Stephanie spoke to him was way out of line.

Wheres the live feed? i thought it had been axed?

[jaxie]

Wheres the live feed? i thought it had been axed?

They showed it for a while after the eviction show.

[the truth]

Also gary is being treated far worse than shilpa

I 100% agree with this. so too was dirk benedict and michael madsen , who was hit in the face by denise welch and bigbrother did NOTHING.
clearly if youre a man, dare I say it a white hetrosexual man, then the threshold fo rbullying and discrimination is much higher and big brother ignores it. but shilpa was a woman and an asian woman so she was protected 101 times more than dear olf half deaf half brain damaged harmless 70 year old gary busey

the double standards in this man bashing sexist biased show and country at large makes me sick

[puzzled]

He does feel it. He said that everyone hated him and it hurt his heart, to Frenchy. Sometimes he looks very abandoned, but he makes the best of it. He does everything to appease them and make it stop, but they just go on and on. James, particularly, just can't let anything drop, and Stephanie was cruel.

[Liam-]

I 100% agree with this. so too was dirk benedict and michael madsen , who was hit in the face by denise welch and bigbrother did NOTHING.
clearly if youre a man, dare I say it a white hetrosexual man, then the threshold fo rbullying and discrimination is much higher and big brother ignores it. but shilpa was a woman and an asian woman so she was protected 101 times more than dear olf half deaf half brain damaged harmless 70 year old gary busey

the double standards in this man bashing sexist biased show and country at large makes me sick

So what you're saying is.. If you're a straight white man on the show, you're bullied more than anyone else? I struggle to see your logic there, but each to their own.. And the Dirk Benedict thing, when was he 'bullied' may I ask?

[Macie Lightfoot]

I agree that Gary isn't being bullied yet, but I do think that there is a lot of xenophobia going on in the house with comments like “French slut” and “the Americans” and “I don't like that French girl.”

But I actually think that the bully word was way more overused during BB15 than this series tbh as at least Gary and Frenchy are being genuinely isolated from the house and not forcing themselves out except for (Christopher and Ashleigh) but I suppose two strong bullying accusations back to back on the forum is enough to drive anyone insane.

okay but you thought Frankie was being bullied in BBUS so...

[Liam-]

okay but you thought Frankie was being bullied in BBUS so...

:joker:

[the truth]

So what you're saying is.. If you're a straight white man on the show, you're bullied more than anyone else? I struggle to see your logic there, but each to their own.. And the Dirk Benedict thing, when was he 'bullied' may I ask?

yes thats exactly what im saying.
are you kidding about dirk benedict? they mocked his cancer, his impotence caused by cancer, his alcoholism, they despised him because he preferred shilpa a far classier person than the coven of bullies and witches and the horrible cleo rocco........dirk was bullied throughout. but he remained a gentleman and was hilarious...finished in the top 3
mike madsen was also bbullied by denise welch who verbally abused him day in day out, shes insulted him endlessly and even hit him in the face in a drunken rage....big brother did nothing

women get away with almost anything on big brother

[Macie Lightfoot]

I 100% agree with this. so too was dirk benedict and michael madsen , who was hit in the face by denise welch and bigbrother did NOTHING.
clearly if youre a man, dare I say it a white hetrosexual man, then the threshold fo rbullying and discrimination is much higher and big brother ignores it. but shilpa was a woman and an asian woman so she was protected 101 times more than dear olf half deaf half brain damaged harmless 70 year old gary busey

the double standards in this man bashing sexist biased show and country at large makes me sick

White heterosexual males have it so hard in both BB and in life, it's true :((((((((

[Liam-]

yes thats exactly what im saying.
are you kidding about dirk benedict? they mocked his cancer, his impotence caused by cancer, his alcoholism, they despised him because he preferred shilpa a far classier person than the coven of bullies and witches and the horrible cleo rocco........dirk was bullied throughout. but he remained a gentleman and was hilarious...finished in the top 3
mike madsen was also bbullied by denise welch who verbally abused him day in day out, shes insulted him endlessly and even hit him in the face in a drunken rage....big brother did nothing

women get away with almost anything on big brother

I watched that series and honestly can say that the only case of bullying was the whole Shilpa thing, no-one else was bullied..
And your logic that white straight men are bullied more than anyone else is total bull.

[Mystic Mock]

okay but you thought Frankie was being bullied in BBUS so...

You mean when the whole house had refused to speak to him because he played the game on a gameshow? And then had Caleb not even helping him out on the BOB task for that exact reason? Yes that is far worse than anything that's happened on BB15 and as it's still early days on CBB14 I would say worse than what's going on in there as well.

[Macie Lightfoot]

You mean when the whole house had refused to speak to him because he played the game on a gameshow? And then had Caleb not even helping him out on the BOB task for that exact reason? Yes that is far worse than anything that's happened on BB15 and as it's still early days on CBB14 I would say worse than what's going on in there as well.

Well that's one (very far-fetched) interpretation of those events.

[the truth]

White heterosexual males have it so hard in both BB and in life, it's true :((((((((

yes they do in the Uk. and its no laughing matter
male suicides are at record high levels, at nearly 5 times the rate of women
the number of charities and support isntitutions for women outnumbers men by over 50 to 1 in the UK
billions more is spent onn female support and female health including female cancer
men lose their kids in nearly 90% of UK divorce cases
men lose their homes in over 80% of UK divorce cases
in over 80% men lose their home and their kids and still have to pay for their ex partners to live in their ex homes

men die young in the UK by 4 to 5 years younger than women on average

men lose their jobs simply for being accused of something rather than being found guilty
all men are banned in some cases from working with disabled female kids
men make up less than 5% of infant school teachers
over 50% of young boys are NOt brought up by their father
men can be accused by any woman of any sexual crime and regardless if theyre 100% guilty, the man gets named and shamed, the woman remains anonymous, even if its a pack of lies

in some towns and cities men are barred from running for election, its women only. hows that for democracy? yet its illegal to have male only clubs , yet female only cities are fine?

on tv women slag men all day every day, all men are bastards etc ive even seen one vile show where sharon osbourne interviewed female inmates whod all murdered their partners. osborune told them they were right to do so, they all cheered and laughed...on another espide she laughed and cheered after a man had his testicles sliced off in his sleep. not sure if he died. who caares hes a man, we didnt want to ruin her joke
...its all just a bit of fun right? un;less a man says it, then hes a vile nasty sexist pig


yet men get fired for saying 1 joke about a female lineswoman? men who have been football pundits for 25 years and been involved at the top of football for 40 years? double standards? oh yes

when a famous man has an affair now, the woman is the victim of this aggressive controlling sex pest man who manipulated the innocent harmless babe? this is the language used and the manipulation used. men cant have an opinion on any of this or they be branded sexist. just as people cant have an opinion on immigration without being branded racist? where does this bias in law and in culture get us? check out rotherham


in hospitals how often do nurses joke to male patients, if you men had to go through the pain we women do? the joke is repeated endlessly to the point its not a joke and you wonder if these nurses really mean it? judging by the male bashing all over this sexist country and the cruelty and corruption in the nhs wards, id say its healthy to be very cynical. women have played the sexist mysoginistcard way too many times and cried wolf too many times



even outside the UK on the world stage. domicin strauss khan the head of the international monetary fund, the biggest economic forum on the planet. a man of phenomenal intellect, qualification, success and experience. was sacked for allegations made...he was replaced by a womens libber.christine laggard...
he was later found innocent but never got his job back
she is now accues of corruption, yet she keeps her job

too much info?

yeah white men have got it all. except at any given moment they can lose their entire lives, homes, kids, reputation, future, past, income, respect in a split second on a pack of lies

yeah they sure do rule the world

men women whatever, are just as good or bad as each other in their own different ways....the path weve taken down political correctness is a path to armageddon. time to redress the balance.

[Mystic Mock]

Well that's one (very far-fetched) interpretation of those events.

No that is the true events of what happened, yes Frankie can be a snake and annoying, but no one deserves to be treated like that.

And I said with BB15 that the only cases where people tried to make an effort with the bigger group but kept being shuned was Ashleigh and Christopher, as let's face it Jale, Chris, and Pav certainly didn't want to lose the victim status did they lol.

[the truth]

I watched that series and honestly can say that the only case of bullying was the whole Shilpa thing, no-one else was bullied..
And your logic that white straight men are bullied more than anyone else is total bull.

so you conventiently overlooked them mocking his impotene , his cancer, his alcoholism, not very observant? or do you just see what you wan to see

heres a reminder what some chat sites though

http://www.dirkbenedictcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366

[Macie Lightfoot]

No that is the true events of what happened, yes Frankie can be a snake and annoying, but no one deserves to be treated like that.

And I said with BB15 that the only cases where people tried to make an effort with the bigger group but kept being shuned was Ashleigh and Christopher, as let's face it Jale, Chris, and Pav certainly didn't want to lose the victim status did they lol.

A house-wide effort to get someone out is not bullying by any means lmfao but you seem to be going by Frankie's logic of "when I try to backstab you and get you out, DUH IT'S BIG BROTHER!!11111 but omg if you get me out how dare you"

Being a Helen fan too almost makes your trolling attempts clever but not rly.

[Macie Lightfoot]

and yeah I'm not even going to read the truth's novella about how straight white males are society's victims or whatever the ****. Keep churning out fan fiction the truth

[the truth]

and yeah I'm not even going to read the truth's novella about how straight white males are society's victims or whatever the ****. Keep churning out fan fiction the truth

Thats right ignore the truth, embrace the ignorance, well done!!!!:nono:

[the truth]

A house-wide effort to get someone out is not bullying by any means lmfao but you seem to be going by Frankie's logic of "when I try to backstab you and get you out, DUH IT'S BIG BROTHER!!11111 but omg if you get me out how dare you"

Being a Helen fan too almost makes your trolling attempts clever but not rly.

lets all ignore this the way you choose to ignore the truth

[Mystic Mock]

A house-wide effort to get someone out is not bullying by any means lmfao but you seem to be going by Frankie's logic of "when I try to backstab you and get you out, DUH IT'S BIG BROTHER!!11111 but omg if you get me out how dare you"

Being a Helen fan too almost makes your trolling attempts clever but not rly.

I'm trolling because I have a different opinion to you? Do you realize how silly that sounds? Anyway I'm not bothered by them targetting Frankie as it's the game, but it was the way it was done that was bullying imo and the reasoning for treating him like that wasn't good enough imo.

[the truth]

I'm trolling because I have a different opinion to you? Do you realize how silly that sounds? Anyway I'm not bothered by them targetting Frankie as it's the game, but it was the way it was done that was bullying imo and the reasoning for treating him like that wasn't good enough imo.

ignore macie at all times :wavey:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Do you realize how silly it is to be a Helen fan but get up in arms about "bullying" in other shows at the same time? :joker: you can't make this stuff up.

[Mystic Mock]

ignore macie at all times :wavey:

I like debating with every member on this site, but I do take it personally being called a troll for not sheepishly following everybody elses opinions on the forum.

Thanks for the advice though.

[Mystic Mock]

Do you realize how silly it is to be a Helen fan but get up in arms about "bullying" in other shows at the same time? :joker: you can't make this stuff up.

You do realize that not everyone thought that Helen was a bully right? Just like you don't think that Frankie was bullied on BBUSA.

[Mystic Mock]

Oh and at least Helen was relevant in her series unlike Victoria in BB16USA who's only claim to fame is taking the cap of Zach and maliciously slashing it up.

[Liam-]

Oh and at least Helen was relevant in her series unlike Victoria in BB16USA who's only claim to fame is taking the cap of Zach and maliciously slashing it up.

This I do agree with, Victoria is useless :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

You do realize that not everyone thought that Helen was a bully right? Just like you don't think that Frankie was bullied on BBUSA.

Yeah but like.. sorry but I don't see any interpretation (that isn't completely subjective, at least) that the way that everyone tried to get Frankie evicted as part of the game, like you said yourself, was worse than how Helen (and Pauline and others) treated Christopher and pretty much everyone who had the misfortune of entering a day later for at least the duration of Pauline's stay.

Oh and at least Helen was relevant in her series unlike Victoria in BB16USA who's only claim to fame is taking the cap of Zach and maliciously slashing it up.

This is the logic that I have never understood. BBUK and BBUS have been awful this year largely because of the casts being filled with largely unlikable people. And, like, if I thought the series was bad chances are I thought a lot of the HMs and storylines and everything else was also bad. So yeah, at least Helen was relevant to her series. It's just too bad it was a ****ing abhorrent one.

[Ultimist]

I'm in Gary's corner 100%, but so far I don't feel what he is being subjected to has reached the level of "bullying".... YET...

But what we are seeing in how he is treated are all the prerequisite behaviors that LEAD to bullying on a more serious scale. In ways, the other housemates are "testing the waters" to see how much Gary is willing to take... and as time goes on, their behavior becomes worse after realizing he accepts most criticism and truly does try to work on things.

He actually handles himself quite well, and that is yet another thing that bothers the other housemates. They're failing to get under his skin as much as they'd like to. That's why tempers are escalating. They want him to be more bothered by what they have to say about him and how they treat him, but for the most part he's just not biting.

There's a quiet strength about him that is truly admirable. One can see that he does get a bit hurt by people's comments... especially when we see him alone and can tell that he is reflecting on things with a bit of regret.

Right now, Stephanie and James stand out as the two biggest potential bullies. Stephanie's behavior and treatment of Gary is disgusting and shameful. I know this couldn't be done without someone getting in serious trouble on the show, but when she was standing over Gary, screaming about how terrible and disgusting she thinks he is, I wished someone would have stood up and slapped her sharply across the face. She is an absolute abomination.

If George continues to "like" her after this, it says a lot about his character (or lack thereof) as well. If I were romantically interested in someone and saw them treat another person like that, the romantic feelings would fade and I'd be ashamed for ever having them.

So, no, what we are seeing is not technically bullying... but it is edging closer and closer as time goes on. And whether you call it bullying or not, one thing is certain. The behavior is UNACCEPTABLE.

[Ammi]

I have been thinking about posting this thread for awhile and tonight with another few threads saying that housemates are being bullied has prompted me to finally put it out there (my views on it)

To me a bully is someone who belittles, abuses, verbally hurts, physically hurts a smaller or weaker person who is unable to stand up for themselves. I. like I am sure many other forum members was bullied from a very young age. I was one of the smallest in my class in school and was quite bright when it came to homework etc. Therefore I was picked on, my hair was pulled, the kids told the teacher I slapped them, my school bag destroyed, my copybooks written on.

I know that adults can also bully other adults so I am not saying that it just happens with kids. In all the years I have watched Big Brother (both civilian and celebrity) I have only seriously seen what I DEEM to be bullying in one series and that was when Jade and the other two girls bullied Shilpa. They kept attacking her for various reasons, her beliefs, her looks etc and almost backed her into a corner. There is NOBODY being bullied in the house at the moment. Sure they are all against Gary but he is taking it well and smiling away and just discarding the comments.

Having being bullied myself I am very very careful of the use of the word and I would urge everyone to think twice before they rant on about bullying. And before anyone says it I am fully aware that BB has called housemates to the diary room from time to time to ask them about their actions and telling them it could be perceived as bullying.

So sorry my post is so long and I hope that at least some of you can see where I am coming from

..I agree Riona that 'bullying' can be over-used when there are conflicts of personalities in the house...the thing is that 'bullying' per se is hard to define and when warnings etc are given out or when we're using our own judgements, it's what can be 'perceived as bullying'....out of 24 hours each day BB choose the parts they want to highlight and those parts often include things like..isolation, ridicule, mocking, insulting etc so that's what they're giving us..?...we see that but we don't always see warnings or we see warnings of 'perceived bullying' and then it all continues with no more said or done...so when and if the public cry 'bully', it's because that is how it's perceived by them and designed to be perceived as such....


..I've bolded some of your post because those very things have been happening in the house with Gary..?...George who likes James observed how condescending/patronising he is...Kellie only seems to have two emotions..aggression/anger or tears/self pity...Leslie can be a viper and spiteful and gets very personal at times...Frenchie upset them all with the food thing and has caused broken sleep as have some of the others...they're all annoying..?..they're all irritating..?..they probably would all want to make you scream at times..?...but Gary's hearing impairment aside and his age aside so it can't be said...oh why should we make allowances for him/he shouldn't be there/why should he be special...well he is 'special'..he's special because he's the only 'annoying/irritaing' housemate that they are ridiculing, mocking, insulting and treating differently to anyone else....so is that 'bullying'..?...just because his responses are..oh yeah, I'll learn from that/interesting/I'll try to work on that/thank you for pointing it out...he's had his beliefs laughed at, he's had his parenting questioned, he's had his hygiene insulted, he's had his hearing impairment dismissed as an annoyance that they have to repeat themselves several times....has anyone else had their flaws, their failings or any other perceived negativity about them so painfully, cruelly, openly and brutally pointed out....he definitely gets 'special' treatment for sure....and in my opinion he is definitely 'singled out' for that special treatment in a way that no other housemate is despite their obvious failings/annoyances/irritations....other housemates may have had things about them picked up on/confronted about..even been insulted ... but not in such a consistent and persistent way as he has...

[jaxie]

..I agree Riona that 'bullying' can be over-used when there are conflicts of personalities in the house...the thing is that 'bullying' per se is hard to define and when warnings etc are given out or when we're using our own judgements, it's what can be 'perceived as bullying'....out of 24 hours each day BB choose the parts they want to highlight and those parts often include things like..isolation, ridicule, mocking, insulting etc so that's what they're giving us..?...we see that but we don't always see warnings or we see warnings of 'perceived bullying' and then it all continues with no more said or done...so when and if the public cry 'bully', it's because that is how it's perceived by them and designed to be perceived as such....


..I've bolded some of your post because those very things have been happening in the house with Gary..?...George who likes James observed how condescending/patronising he is...Kellie only seems to have two emotions..aggression/anger or tears/self pity...Leslie can be a viper and spiteful and gets very personal at times...Frenchie upset them all with the food thing and has caused broken sleep as have some of the others...they're all annoying..?..they're all irritating..?..they probably would all want to make you scream at times..?...but Gary's hearing impairment aside and his age aside so it can't be said...oh why should we make allowances for him/he shouldn't be there/why should he be special...well he is 'special'..he's special because he's the only 'annoying/irritaing' housemate that they are ridiculing, mocking, insulting and treating differently to anyone else....so is that 'bullying'..?...just because his responses are..oh yeah, I'll learn from that/interesting/I'll try to work on that/thank you for pointing it out...he's had his beliefs laughed at, he's had his parenting questioned, he's had his hygiene insulted, he's had his hearing impairment dismissed as an annoyance that they have to repeat themselves several times....has anyone else had their flaws, their failings or any other perceived negativity about them so painfully, cruelly, openly and brutally pointed out....he definitely gets 'special' treatment for sure....and in my opinion he is definitely 'singled out' for that special treatment in a way that no other housemate is despite their obvious failings/annoyances/irritations....other housemates may have had things about them picked up on/confronted about..even been insulted ... but not in such a consistent and persistent way as he has...

Very well said Ammi.

[chuff me dizzy]

I watched that series and honestly can say that the only case of bullying was the whole Shilpa thing, no-one else was bullied..
And your logic that white straight men are bullied more than anyone else is total bull.

No way was Shilpa bullied

[Samm]

He isn't being bullied at all lol

[rionablue]

Thanks for all the comments on the thread I created. Obviously many of you disagree with my post but that is what these forums are for. As someone who was bullied for years and years I see it that if someone is able to stand up for themselves or can actually take it all and not go into meltdown its not strictly bullying. I in no way agree with the housemates treatment of Gary and I in no way agree with any kind of verbal attacks on someone or their character. I just think that bully is probably the most common word in all the forums related to Big Brother and in my own humble opinion its not warranted. Belittling someone is probably a more relevant word in my vocab but as I said thanks again for all the comments

[chuff me dizzy]

Thanks for all the comments on the thread I created. Obviously many of you disagree with my post but that is what these forums are for. As someone who was bullied for years and years I see it that if someone is able to stand up for themselves or can actually take it all and not go into meltdown its not strictly bullying. I in no way agree with the housemates treatment of Gary and I in no way agree with any kind of verbal attacks on someone or their character. I just think that bully is probably the most common word in all the forums related to Big Brother and in my own humble opinion its not warranted. Belittling someone is probably a more relevant word in my vocab but as I said thanks again for all the comments

Gary is not being bullied, he's just not liked by EVERYONE who's sharing a house with him day in day out, so lets do the maths on it and who's the wrong one ?

[the truth]

He isn't being bullied at all lol

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

[chuff me dizzy]

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

If he's all you claim he should have stayed at home instead of being a burden to everyone else

[smileymummy]

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

Do you think that a man that was accused of beating his wife can be bullied? or one that struck a flights attendant? or fought with co hosts? or got removed from celebrity rehab for being pyschical? and then theres the apprentice,do you serously think a man like this can be bullied?

[Tip]

Did I mishear him saying he was having the best time of his life?

[Liam-]

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

He's excluded 24/7 is he? then how do you explain all the times we see him with people and interacting with people? or are you watching something completely different to everyone else? :laugh:

[smileymummy]

Did I mishear him saying he was having the best time of his life?

hahaha

[the truth]

Do you think that a man that was accused of beating his wife can be bullied? or one that struck a flights attendant? or fought with co hosts? or got removed from celebrity rehab for being pyschical? and then theres the apprentice,do you serously think a man like this can be bullied?

ah the usual lies and gossip mongering to try and take down the best housemate and favourite. no doubt you profess we cant mention dee being a lazy lard ass because thats outside the house...to clarify in the house gary is a legend, awesome housemate, cool, calm, genuine, warm, funny, brave , forgiving, patient etc etc out the house hes also the biggest legend....lived an amazing life. his kids adore him....his career has been stupendous and his performances incredibly skilled and varied. hes also raise millions for his son with his helth problems...hes even a fantastic musician too....what a guy

[Liam-]

Did I mishear him saying he was having the best time of his life?

Nope, he definitely said that.. Not the words of a bullied man, i must say :hehe:

[the truth]

Nope, he definitely said that.. Not the words of a bullied man, i must say :hehe:

the words of a bullied brave optimistic man with a big forgiving heart:dance:

[Tip]

the words of a bullied brave optimistic man with a big forgiving heart:dance:

Ahh, at least he wasn't lying then?? :D

[Liam-]

the words of a bullied brave optimistic man with a big forgiving heart:dance:

People don't express that they're having the best time of their life, with a, dare i say it, genuine smile on his face, if they are getting bullied. deal with it :laugh:

[Shaun]

No way was Shilpa bullied

I just choked on my tea

[calyman]

What annoys me is the ease by which some people refuse to see what is happening, refuse to acknowledge the victimisation going on in the house, refuse to condemn the perpetrators, refuse to consider the effect such behaviour has on the victim.

Whilst simultaneously, harping on about how annoying it is to use a certain word that aptly describes such behaviour, a word that labels the perpetrators, a word that calls out for decent minded people to react against what they are witnessing, a word that should be the focus of most people's disgust and rejection of such behaviour.

Now which is easier; using "that word", or lecturing about why it should be used, when such behaviour occurs?